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As CES nears i began to thing about what phone will i upgrade to. I am using a Droid Eris with 2.2 right now and its becoming out of date. So like many of you I have been to look at upgrades and what I want to get. Then I thought.....do you have to root your android to enjoy it? I know you can wait for new software, but it seems that the hardware is moving aso quick that your phone will be "out of date" within a few months if you don't root it. EOL for the Eris was Mayish of 2010....not a long life for a phone that was released in November of 09. So I have looked elsewhere. I am looking for Verizon to show a WP7 device at CES and the iPhone to follow after that. What are you thoughts? Do you need to root your phone to enjoy it? Do you feel that Android is the "rebel" of the Smartphone world?
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The myTouch 4G from T-Mobile is an awesome phone. 768MB of RAM, 1Ghz. processor. It's very fast and responsive. You would not be disappointed.
Oh and let me say I am on Verizon and not looking to leave the Big Red V.
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Oh and let me say I am on Verizon and not looking to leave the Big Red V.
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Sorry. I can't stand V. I left them years ago and never looked back. Good luck.
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i had a Nexus One and EVO prior to getting my DroidX. which is very unfriendly towards custom roms and other hacking fun.
needless to say i miss the Nexus and EVO immensely, half the fun for me was flashing custom roms and tinkering with stuff.
I agree it is fun messing with the Eris, but then i thought, what if my next phone I don't want to hassle with flashing roms, fixing things, and what not. Also My biggest issue with the software is not the software at all, its the app developers. It seems like it is 100% iOS4 first, Android second. I also like the intergration of Xbox Life with WP7.
My thought is this. You must root your phone if your a phone junky. Other wise we would all get bored quickly. There isn't enough high quality apps to keep me from rooting and changing things on the phone. Also I feel like I need to change phones at least once a year or I'm not happy lol.
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See that is my issue, i am not sure if I want to root my next phone. I like it, but sometimes it sucks. I am a phone once a year kinda guy. I might check out the WP7 when they come out on the the V......
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I agree it is fun messing with the Eris, but then i thought, what if my next phone I don't want to hassle with flashing roms, fixing things, and what not. Also My biggest issue with the software is not the software at all, its the app developers. It seems like it is 100% iOS4 first, Android second. I also like the intergration of Xbox Life with WP7.
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I came from the Hero. I'm on a vibrant now, and loving it. There is a app on Android for adding removing and messaging Xbox live friends. Pretty much the same thing on WP7, minus the points you earn playing games.
I had no reason to root my phone but I couldn't resist the urge.
Now now. There is no reason to do something that drastic. Stay with Android. Lol
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56K said:
See that is my issue, i am not sure if I want to root my next phone. I like it, but sometimes it sucks. I am a phone once a year kinda guy. I might check out the WP7 when they come out on the the V......
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What's your beef with rooting? It's not like it's a difficult process, and it opens up so many options for you. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me to not root.
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What's your beef with rooting? It's not like it's a difficult process, and it opens up so many options for you. It honestly doesn't make any sense to me to not root.
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No beef with rooting at all, but that is my point, do you have to root to enjoy your android? I know it ipens options but the developers from the big apps are slow to the android game.....
I don't think you have to root to enjoy a device, but for me, it allows me to enjoy it more. Why wouldn't you root? I like trying out different ROMs and tinkering with stuff and overclocking. Apps are fine, but those are only part of the fun for me.
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I don't think you have to root to enjoy a device, but for me, it allows me to enjoy it more. Why wouldn't you root? I like trying out different ROMs and tinkering with stuff and overclocking. Apps are fine, but those are only part of the fun for me.
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That's my point i guess. I'm an app guy, i like apps, want the latest apps, and U just don't feel i can get that with Android.
The Xbox Live integration looks really nice so again when the verizon WP7 comes out I may look at it.
Something that has bothered me is the fragmentation of the Android OS. There are some devices, that are not that old running 1.5 and 1.6, some on 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3.....you get my drift.
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That's my point i guess. I'm an app guy, i like apps, want the latest apps, and U just don't feel i can get that with Android.
The Xbox Live integration looks really nice so again when the verizon WP7 comes out I may look at it.
Something that has bothered me is the fragmentation of the Android OS. There are some devices, that are not that old running 1.5 and 1.6, some on 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3.....you get my drift.
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How does the fragmentation bother you if you're rooted? Any device with a decent community will have the latest OS.
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How does the fragmentation bother you if you're rooted? Any device with a decent community will have the latest OS.
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I agree but it seems that the Android devices are so spread out that it gives the developers hell. For example look at Angry Birds. They are developing 2 versions for "one" OS.
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About Rooting:
I don't have to be rooted but I definitely enjoy the phone more because I am. I don't have to pay additional tethering fees to my carrier because rooting allows me to do this for free. I don't have to wait for carriers to send an OTA of the next version of Android because my rooted phone allows me to upload ROMs made by the awesome devs we have here at XDA.
About Apps:
Android's marketshare is rising exponentially. I am definitely seeing more application development for the platform and a lot of popular iPhone apps being ported over as well. I admit that Android's Marketplace isn't as intuitive as the App Store but it is getting better. I recommend checking out Appbrain if you want a better market experience on Android.
About Fragmentation:
Its openness is a double-edged sword in my opinion. Openness allows a multitude of different products to be running your OS but it also causes fragmentation because of all the skins manufactures choose to run on top of it. Take a look at the Motorola Droid, it runs Stock Android and it received Eclair and Froyo relatively fast because of it. Now take the Galaxy S series running a Touchwiz version of Android, all of these devices were released this year and have none have received Froyo when the Motorola Droid was released last year and does have Froyo. 95% of typical android users probably don't know what version of Android they are running anyway so it could be that manufactures aren't putting it as high priority because their customers don't care. 2.2 to 2.3 isn't a very big leap outside of aesthetics.
Good post. I only started this thread to get some good conversation.. I am not against rooting, against Android, against iOS, or WP7. I just like to keep my options open.
^ we understand.
The fragmentation argument is nonsense. Any good developer will tell you its no different than developing for a PC. With a PC you have a infinite amount of hardware combinations same as Android.
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^ we understand.
The fragmentation argument is nonsense. Any good developer will tell you its no different than developing for a PC. With a PC you have a infinite amount of hardware combinations same as Android.
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Good Point.
Do y'all think that companies like HTC, sammy etc will theme ICS a lot or will they leave it rather vanilla such as they did with most of the HC tablets?
Small changes like Honeycomb+Touchwiz would be nice.
They will continue to add sense and touchwiz. That is the manufacturers selling point to draw in the average consumer. Without it, they wouldn't be able to build a loyal fan base.
Yep, they will theme it complete with the extra 6 months update turn around...
hmm, long time to go for ics..
One thing i liked about honeycomb was that there was consistency yet there were slight differences (except Gtab) I have nothing against skins but ICS lets you freeze apps right... what if they let you freeze the skin allowing you to use vanilla
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Do y'all think that companies like HTC, sammy etc will theme ICS a lot or will they leave it rather vanilla such as they did with most of the HC tablets?
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No, they'll load it up with Bloatware and horrible skins as normal. Only the Nexus will be Vanilla, or the custom AOSP ROM route as usual.
So this means that Google has asoultely no power (/will) to stop the fragmentation of the user experience. Good. My hope is that, at some point, Android becomes "like" WP7, meaning that manifacturers can only add a few removable apps if they want to, but they're not allowed to touch the OS. Anyway this isn't very likely to happen because unlike Microsoft Google doesn't sell an OS, they just sell ads, so in the end they basically don't give a flying **** about the consistency of the user experience
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So this means that Google has asoultely no power (/will) to stop the fragmentation of the user experience. Good. My hope is that, at some point, Android becomes "like" WP7, meaning that manifacturers can only add a few removable apps if they want to, but they're not allowed to touch the OS. Anyway this isn't very likely to happen because unlike Microsoft Google doesn't sell an OS, they just sell ads, so in the end they basically don't give a flying **** about the consistency of the user experience
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Actually the Android OS is under Apache..Google sells Android for commercial use.
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So this means that Google has asoultely no power (/will) to stop the fragmentation of the user experience. Good. My hope is that, at some point, Android becomes "like" WP7, meaning that manifacturers can only add a few removable apps if they want to, but they're not allowed to touch the OS. Anyway this isn't very likely to happen because unlike Microsoft Google doesn't sell an OS, they just sell ads, so in the end they basically don't give a flying **** about the consistency of the user experience
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Your conclusion is correct.
People buy into 'Brand Loyalty'. Unfortunately the Android 'Brand' isn't Google. It's HTC, Samsung, LG etc, unlike WP7 which is clearly Microsoft flavour, or iphone, which is clearly Apple flavour.
I bet half of people who own an Android phone have never even heard of the OS. It's funny really. Two of them will meet and start comparing phones. "What's your phone?". "It's a HTC, i think. Yours?". "It says Samsung on it. I guess that's what it is huh?". "Mines got a big clock on it.." etc. Android means nothing to most people. There's just so many Android phones that it's inevitable that it would have a large market share. It has no identity though.
lot of people may find it a little to minimalistic, so customization il 101% sure .. personally i like the way it is vanilla style
Skins would be fine if the manufacturer gave you an easier way to disable them, besides the fact that some are ugly as sin, they're also resource hogs.
ICS is the great smoth view.. i really like it.
but now ICS not yet officially launched.
you can use ICS theme on Market from ADW laucher and Theme Chooser
I Jailbroke My Brother iPhone and there is so many more apps on there and seems like there's alot more stuff on a iPhone then on a Rooted Android. They have somthing called Dreamboard theres a theme called Endroid and makes it look just like android i wish Android had All these Apps.
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I Jailbroke My Brother iPhone and there is so many more apps on there and seems like there's alot more stuff on a iPhone then on a Rooted Android. They have somthing called Dreamboard theres a theme called Endroid and makes it look just like android i wish Android had All these Apps.
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You can do more on Android. But they both have their negatives and positives. Don't listen to the guy under you. When you buy a phone its what the user wants. Android runs fine if you don't buy low budget devices. Battery life and performance is the is subjective on any device. By area you live and network your on. Nothing really works better than the each other. It's easier to make money for developers on ios than android. Because there are hardly any hardware differences on Apple so you will find more apps on Apple app store.
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If you like modify your phone buy something with Android but you must to be ready for this that your phone will not have an every update as in iPhone because on Android market there is a large fragmentation of different phones.
You just need to look..
I have a low budget Android Phone (LGE Optimus One) & my friend with his apple iPhone 4 feels like he wasted money on his apple..
You can customize Android to look like iOS, Windows7, MIUI and many other UI's like Lewa, HTC Sense etc. Even my 600Mhz processor runs ICS..
As for apps distribution, there are lol how can i count apps on Google Play store, and even apps that are incompatible for low end phones like mine get ARMv6 patched versions to download..
So if u spend the amount of money as for iPhone on Android, you can burn the apple..
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I Jailbroke My Brother iPhone and there is so many more apps on there and seems like there's alot more stuff on a iPhone then on a Rooted Android. They have somthing called Dreamboard theres a theme called Endroid and makes it look just like android i wish Android had All these Apps.
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You said lots of apps exist for jb iphone but only mentioned a theming app. That's not lots of apps, so not sure what you find is missing as even on a standard unrooted android you can do more theming etc than jb iphone.
Is there a specific app you find missing?
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i used an iphone 3g for a few months, cause i gave my desire to my brother. then luckily i got a galaxy s. android is in so many ways better than ios. tons of apps, you can actually make it yours. and it is cheaper
Look that up on youtube Top 30 Best Jailbreak Tweaks 2011 - iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad Cydia - YouTube
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Look that up on youtube Top 30 Best Jailbreak Tweaks 2011 - iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad Cydia - YouTube
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I watched, and didn't see anything that isn't available on Android either by default or with an app. Different keyboards, themes, panoramic camera, etc. are all available on Android without jailbreaking and using an alternative market.
Personally, I switched to my Galaxy Nexus in December after four years of using an iPhone and never looked back. The only thing I miss is FaceTime, and there are alternatives for that anyway. If you have any desire at all to change things on your phone, Android is the way to go.
It depends
You asked if you can "do more" on one rather than the other. The answer is not simple, but it comes down to a matter of preference. My preference is Android - it gives me the freedom I want over my device.
Android equals pure freedom on your phone and total control over it
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Android has soooo many options it's rediculous. An iphone is the same as my androids app drawer. =P
What you want is a Nokia man. The most robust phones in the world today
android has so many roms and apps,you can choose the fastest rom for yourself.
i owned an iphone before and then went to android OS i have never looked back and all my latest phones run android there is so much more i can do with my android than on my old iphone
Android Its ....
Android, its open source.. so many developers can build many application tha fit my need.. because its open, the price relativelly cheaper than iphone...
Iphone, it seted up in my mind, that device hardlly exclusive, with all aplication exclusive only for iphone user.. not open.. and more expensive..
i prefer android device.. i paid cheaper for most app on google play.. custom rom, custom kernel.. even though i only consume it..
There's no correct answer to this question. It's like asking, "Which is better... a sports car or a speed boat?" They're both great, but are you on a road or a lake?
The real question is which one suits you best and no-one can answer that but yourself.
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This. Unless you absolutely must be a part of the i-life.
Can I do more stuff on Android or iPhone?
My phone, SGS2.
Here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532368
Virtually everything new, weekly if not daily.
My g/f phone, iPhone 3GS.
2 years ago, it was iOS, 1 year ago, it was still iOS with same GUI, now, it is still iOS with again, same interface; a year from now, it will be still iOS with the same freaking interface.
Now, telling me, which one you can do MORE
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Oh, btw, if you want to have iPhone-alike GUI on Android, get MIUI ROM.
Keep using it and just change it whenever Apple release a rev-up iOS, still more amazing
I don't know what is wrong with both android and ios fanboys they all like to spread bull crap about each others devices and give out misinformation. My JB iphone does everything my rooted android phone does. There are tons tons of apps in the cydia store that helps customize your home screen and do all kinds of stuff. What it really comes down to is app qaulity, because you can only do customization so long. Android is badly beat when it comes to amount of apps and the quality of them and that's for both official and non official (cydia apps) apps. I tell you both android and ios fanboys disgust me with the garbage they sprew about each others platform. Its great being part of both worlds and knowing the truth.
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I don't know what is wrong with both android and ios fanboys they all like to spread bull crap about each others devices and give out misinformation. My JB iphone does everything my rooted android phone does. There are tons tons of apps in the cydia store that helps customize your home screen and do all kinds of stuff. What it really comes down to is app qaulity, because you can only do customization so long. Android is badly beat when it comes to amount of apps and the quality of them and that's for both official and non official (cydia apps) apps. I tell you both android and ios fanboys disgust me with the garbage they sprew about each others platform. Its great being part of both worlds and knowing the truth.
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If jb iphone can do everything rooted android can where is ios version of app like tasker?
There is none, check any iphone forum and ask if you think I'm mistaken. Its not possible even on a jb iphone because of how ios works.
Again what about capturing your phones activities on video like screencast? Not possible even on jb so no its not being a fanboy to say jb iphone can do all an android can because thanks to ios limitations it really can't.
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http://ausdroid.net/2012/06/29/htc-comments-on-jelly-bean-for-the-one-series/
"We are excited about Android Jelly Bean and are planning to support it across a variety of our devices. We are reviewing the software to determine our upgrade plans and schedule, so please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans.”
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They say basically nothing.
We'll obviously get jelly bean.. In fall..
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We'll obviously get jelly bean.. In fall..
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2014
Who cares when we get "official" JB? We'll get it long before HTC gives it to us. And honestly I could care less if we ever get it at all. My phone is quite literally perfect the way it is and will do just fine for me until HTC's quad core S4 phone comes out.
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I love how htc spins its wheels regarding every issue...
I understand from a big business point of view of wanting to balance sounding good while not giving any definitive answers, but honestly its getting a little old now...
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How awesome would it be if htc let's us run plain android ala nexus on the one x .
I think it would make this phone even better than it already is.
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one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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The custom ui's draw some people in, the buy the phone because the love sense, or touchwiz. Many people run custom launchera, but some but phones specifically because the want that custom ui.
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From AT&T ya... if at all. HTC will prolly push it out around September/October.
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From AT&T ya... if at all. HTC will prolly push it out around September/October.
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Indeed
As soon as we have source builds will start so maybe July/August
They are probably working on it now. They might be one of the few oems that got the pdk a bit early that Google announced. So hopefully updates will roll out faster
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one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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Sense 4 is not bad and better than stock ics in some ways.
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ethantarheels123 said:
one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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They do this to help differentiate a saturated market. And believe it or not, I know quite a few people who dig sense, or tw. I myself prefer vanilla. But you have to remember there is a lot of little handy things sense does, like fb integration, that stock vanilla android does not do, and most users couldn't be bothered to play with it and mod it to work. I am just against manufacturer overlays as the next Xda user(the minority), but I'm just trying to enlighten you as to why these overlays exist, mainly to stand out from one another.
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They do this to help differentiate a saturated market. And believe it or not, I know quite a few people who dig sense, or tw. I myself prefer vanilla. But you have to remember there is a lot of little handy things sense does, like fb integration, that stock vanilla android does not do, and most users couldn't be bothered to play with it and mod it to work. I am just against manufacturer overlays as the next Xda user(the minority), but I'm just trying to enlighten you as to why these overlays exist, mainly to stand out from one another.
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the ONLY reason I use a sense based rom is due to facebook syncing contact pictures. Its very handy. I know of haxsync, but I don't want to pay for something that should be/is free.
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I for one really like sence and would never bash someone for liking aosp. If I'm not mistaken I believe the manufactures are required to mask the ui of stock android. Except for the nexus series which is marketed as a google device.
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Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I for one really like sence and would never bash someone for liking aosp. If I'm not mistaken I believe the manufactures are required to mask the ui of stock android. Except for the nexus series which is marketed as a google device.
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Not true at all. It's the opposite. They like adding their own stuff because they think that's what sells. Go look at any "cheap" Android phone. They're actually lucky enough to get stock Android.
I've been wishing they could just make it the customers choice. It can't be hard to make a vanilla rom on top of their Sense or TW. At initial setup let us choose whether or not it installs Sense or whatever.
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Not true at all. It's the opposite. They like adding their own stuff because they think that's what sells. Go look at any "cheap" Android phone. They're actually lucky enough to get stock Android.
I've been wishing they could just make it the customers choice. It can't be hard to make a vanilla rom on top of their Sense or TW. At initial setup let us choose whether or not it installs Sense or whatever.
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rquinn I have to believe Google wants the same thing.
Google puts a lot of work into the Stock Android experience. ICS is by a huge margin better from a UI standpoint than any version that has come before it.
Trouble is, unless you're a phone geek, you won't see it.
I can only think of one or two devices besides the Nexus that DON'T skin Android.
I want to try a Huwai device for this reason. I've decided that after I'm done with this device, I'm buying a Pure Google one. If the release of the Nexus 7 and the Galaxy Nexus to the play store is any indication, Google is going into the hardware business full time, and I can't wait to see what they do.
Skins can be great, but they should be an option that you can enable or disable with a button click.
I personally love Sense, but it's what works for you, obviously. HTC's Mail app has the best Exchange support I've ever seen in Android. Granted I've never used Samsung's mail client, so maybe it's comparable, but everything else is either really flaky, incomplete, or ugly. I actually wish they would bring back the My Shelf application that was on a few phones (like the DHD.) Of all the eReaders I've tried, it's been my favourite. I also haven't seen any calendar app/widget combination that has, IMO, come close to the HTC one in terms of fluidity and completeness.
But, on the topic of Jellybean: As someone else mentioned, I'm in no rush. This phone's damn near perfect. It's almost always buttery smooth, so I don't think Project Butter will improve it a whole lot. Google Now and the improved notifications would be nice though, I guess.
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I personally love Sense, but it's what works for you, obviously. HTC's Mail app has the best Exchange support I've ever seen in Android. Granted I've never used Samsung's mail client, so maybe it's comparable, but everything else is either really flaky, incomplete, or ugly. I actually wish they would bring back the My Shelf application that was on a few phones (like the DHD.) Of all the eReaders I've tried, it's been my favourite. I also haven't seen any calendar app/widget combination that has, IMO, come close to the HTC one in terms of fluidity and completeness.
But, on the topic of Jellybean: As someone else mentioned, I'm in no rush. This phone's damn near perfect. It's almost always buttery smooth, so I don't think Project Butter will improve it a whole lot. Google Now and the improved notifications would be nice though, I guess.
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Project butter will, think of it like a tune up to a car, but a tune up to the Android code, probably a copy of linaro code on cm9.
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This is what i think the real and biggest problem with android is, the battle is not with apple, their os or their phone. The actual problem is this-
"Google has done an extremely awesome job with jelly bean, the 'project butter' has really changed the Android experience, experience is fast and ultra responsive, devices dont lag when u turn them on or when u wake them from sleep. Google Now is pretty instant and gives some delightfully satisfying answers which the software is all about, offline voice typing is also pretty accurate, fast and an actual step forward with voice typing, the animations are wonderful, the lockscreen is simple and easy to use and its pretty fast, and what to say about notifications they are just a treat to use.
But all of what google has done is waste, total waste.
Cause OEMs wont be able give JB to their devices. Why? Because they will be busy to make stock JB look ugly, they will be busy to just change the way the UI looks so that their device can look be different no matter if its uglier than stock, they will be busy to add stupid features like 'direct call' when the call button is just their above the messages(I MEAN ITS JUST ONE FREAKING TAP ON THE CALL BUTTON AS ITS JUST RIGHT THEIR, U R LOOKING AT THE SCREEN ANYWAY SO U CAN JUST PRESS THAT FREAKING BUTTON TO CALL THAT PERSON), features like 'Tap to Top' (CAN'T U JUST FLICK UR FINGER ON THE SCREEN TO SCROLL BACK TO TOP, IT TURNS OUT THAT U CAN BUT OEMs HAVE TO ADD THESE FANCY FEATURES TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT THEY CAN DO FANCY 'CODING'), they have to add fancy and weird lockscreen. I know some features are important to add for ur company like various camera settings that google don't add cause they simply dont feel the need of those settings, BUT WHY THE HELL OEMs HAVE TO ADD THEIR FREAKING CUSTOM UGLY SKINS AND USELESS FEATURES.
I think google should do something to stop this madness, i see tons of bulls*** on internet just to compare the iphone and android. Most of the comments is people saying that they have older version of android on their device and 'not the one shown in the video' but on iphone they have latest software that is even in 'iphone4s' so they still think iphones are better. It ALL ABOUT UPDATES, GOOGLE WORK REALLY HARD ON ANDROID AND THE RESULT IS THAT MAJORITY OF ANDROID DEVICES ARE STILL ON '2.3.3.
Its pretty dissapointing to see how idiotic OEMs behave about updates, skins and fancy features. I hope the google PDK help OEMs to give faster update.
Some comapnies are still struggling to push ICS to their old devices and JB is out, they are busy in working on their new devices and some few people from their team work on OS updates to old devices, and the process is so slow because they are busy in adding ****ty skins and features.
P.S. Other OEMs should learn from HUAWEI, they also wanted to add some features that they feel are useful to their ICS phones, but they didnt ****ed the UI, they have their file manager, their cloud services, some additional camera app features in their ICS phones but they dont **** the UI."
This is what i think, i was pretty angry about OEMs and updates so i shared all my thoughts on a g+ post and this quote is the same g+ post.
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I think/hope Google is having this very revelation, since they are supposedly releasing some more Nexus devices in November. I know I'm waiting to see if one of those devices is a slider, as the rumor goes. I'm definitely with you on this!
You are absolutely right. Maybe not every OEM's ROM is bad, but they shouldn't try to make things better because it takes a lot of time and usually makes the system look ugly. That makes Android different on almost every manufacturer's device...
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One thing that I have decided that I am just going to buy devices that come under Google's NEXUS program. That way even if I may get not the latest and greatest hardware, I am still assured that I will get updates for at least 2-3 years and instant updates is what we are talking about.
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you were right about every single word
OEMs ruin the Android
trying to make it better
while the only thing happening is Android getting S*** taste instead of vanilla taste
well
on my side
i would prefer if the Stock android was available to all phones beside the OEMs one
in that way we have a choice
also
the Android pure Rom is much better than any other
i came to that after a lot of flashing
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yogi2010 said:
I think/hope Google is having this very revelation, since they are supposedly releasing some more Nexus devices in November. I know I'm waiting to see if one of those devices is a slider, as the rumor goes. I'm definitely with you on this!
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Slider +1:victory:
Haha, I also was getting myself worked up the other day thinking about carriers: I'm sure they also have a lot to do with how long updates take to come out. And, they get you on a 2-year contract, and then you're lucky if they support the device with updates for even 1 year!
I'm hoping PDK begins to lock down a bit of what they can do. Also, Carriers are a huge problem too. They don't want you to get updates.
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You know I see a lot of people thinking that all OEM do is make it look ugly ( to be honest all the OEM and ICS default themes look like crap)
But they do alot more. Take the SGS3 for example. All the nice software that made people excited about it would not be there if OEM didn't add their spin. All the nice features people enjoy wouldn't be there either. I mean if all that stuff didn't matter then people would be running a nexus as it is pure android.
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You know I see a lot of people thinking that all OEM do is make it look ugly ( to be honest all the OEM and ICS default themes look like crap)
But they do alot more. Take the SGS3 for example. All the nice software that made people excited about it would not be there if OEM didn't add their spin. All the nice features people enjoy wouldn't be there either. I mean if all that stuff didn't matter then people would be running a nexus as it is pure android.
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I understand what u mean, i have also mentioned in op that many OEMs feel the need of some features that stock android doesnt have and they can add and they should obviously add them but amount of these features are really low, most of the features we see are just fancy features that show that they can also 'code'.
I know a bit about android ICS (stock) as i make themes for theme engine and i made roms earlier. Its divided into two parts or two UIs, one is the dark part or the dominating part that we see across ICS, the grey backgrounds with blue text, other is the light UI, that is the white backgrounds with blue and black text. I am also not a big fan of they grey part of the UI but the white part is just wonderful. Also no OEMs' ui i have seen is better than stock ICS UI so they are clearly making it worse.
I hope google go full on with their white/light UI in next version of android.
Also i agree to the fact that many required features that a consumer wants these days with software these days are lacking in stock android like some settings, options and features in camera app, that actually all consumers these day want. I have seen many nokia users who still buy nokia phones cause they have these small features to mess with in camera app. There are many things that android team have not thought of added in stock android, and i think the main reason for that is the fear of people declaring their OS as 'complicated' and non-user friendly.
What worse it can get. Now Gnexus may get banned.
From now on Google is going to allow OEMs to gain access to upcoming versions of Android sooner than the general public so that they can get updates out sooner.
OEM skins annoy me as well. Most people care more about the apps than the OEM skin and all these differences between carriers default skins creates some fragmentation. OEM bloatware that can't be uninstalled also annoys me but at least with ICS apps can now be hidden without rooting.
Good point.
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From now on Google is going to allow OEMs to gain access to upcoming versions of Android sooner than the general public so that they can get updates out sooner.
OEM skins annoy me as well. Most people care more about the apps than the OEM skin and all these differences between carriers default skins creates some fragmentation. OEM bloatware that can't be uninstalled also annoys me but at least with ICS apps can now be hidden without rooting.
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But still, Google is doing so that OEMs are ready to push updates along with Google. If Google is gonna give them new versions earlier we can assume they will give 1-2 months earlier and they will still be working on it so they will also give new source code later maybe 10-20 days earlier. So OEMs like Samsung or HTC who take 5-7 months for an update will still not be able to catch up with Google's announcements and updates.
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I agree and disagree.. I never used stock roms until i purchased the droid razr. I know blur makes it look better and also realize that motorola has a **** ton of bloatware that i have to freeze but i've been happy with gingerbread and now the ics stock roms. I do however think that needs to include an option to root the device on the configuration when you first setup the device. I think it shouldn't have locked bootloaders or things like that because it is linux underneath the nice ui and you should be able to mod it the way you like without having to hack everything. Long story short, most stock roms do look like crap and are bloated but some do a good job.
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Another thing I forgot about is carriers, they need to get their hands out of the software. My broadband ISP doesn't care what updates or OS I am running, they just provide me internet.
Ideally we would get all software upgrades from Google sort of like Windows, but I'm not sure if this is possible with Android. At least just let us update direct from the OEM, carriers shouldn't have to approve updates.
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The OEMs don't care what you think, because they want you to run THEIR software - which they will be putting on their phones instead of Android eventually.
That's why Google is pushing their Nexus line to the next level, they know this to be true.
Look up Tizen and read about what Samsung is planning on doing.
With the open source nature of Linux, mfg's don't care about Android. That's why they are getting their customer's used to their "flavor" of Android, whether it be Sense UI or TouchWiz. They aren't spending all this time and money so that their developers can learn to make Android better.. they're getting ready to launch their own projects.
Google knows their time is limited as far as Android being the only major Linux player in the mobile phone business, and it's coming faster than people realize. Firefox, Tizen, Ubuntu.. just watch.
Half of these Android users won't even be on Android in two years, because they are loyal to HTC or Samsung, not Google.
Hence, the Nexus line.
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The OEMs don't care what you think, because they want you to run THEIR software - which they will be putting on their phones instead of Android eventually.
That's why Google is pushing their Nexus line to the next level, they know this to be true.
Look up Tizen and read about what Samsung is planning on doing.
With the open source nature of Linux, mfg's don't care about Android. That's why they are getting their customer's used to their "flavor" of Android, whether it be Sense UI or TouchWiz. They aren't spending all this time and money so that their developers can learn to make Android better.. they're getting ready to launch their own projects.
Google knows their time is limited as far as Android being the only major Linux player in the mobile phone business, and it's coming faster than people realize. Firefox, Tizen, Ubuntu.. just watch.
Half of these Android users won't even be on Android in two years, because they are loyal to HTC or Samsung, not Google.
Hence, the Nexus line.
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Actually u r a bit wrong here. As people are getting more informed and educated about android they are getting to know it, once they know and love android. They won't buy a new Samsung device with tizen or bada in it. I live in India, people here are slowly starting to know about android. And as u all know India is not one of the developed countries, still if people can like and know android and be loyal to it then why can't other countries' people do the same. We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first. Most of the companies are able to produce good hardware and mostly on a similar level, what matters is the software and OS.
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Actually u r a bit wrong here. As people are getting more informed and educated about android they are getting to know it, once they know and love android. They won't buy a new Samsung device with tizen or bada in it. I live in India, people here are slowly starting to know about android. And as u all know India is not one of the developed countries, still if people can like and know android and be loyal to it then why can't other countries' people do the same. We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first. Most of the companies are able to produce good hardware and mostly on a similar level, what matters is the software and OS.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree here.
When the Samsung GS4 or the next HTC flagship device comes out, no one is going to care if it's running Android or not, except die-hard Android fans. All they will care about is the new features that the phone offers. And the mfgs are smart, they will make their platform compatible with Android apps, allow Google Market (and others). Look at Amazon, guarantee they will have their own Linux dist. as well eventually
and in regard to "We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first"
Uh, I don't think so. Minus the Nexus crowd, nobody buys their next phone because it is going to have JB, they buy it because it's going to have the newest/fastest dual/quad core, XXMp Camera, the newest 'smart' feature, the bigger screen, etc. Nobody ran out to buy the GS3 because it has ICS...
XDA is about 1-2% (if that) of Android users. And even on XDA, half of the users don't know enough about Android to even matter. Maybe it's somewhat different in India, but my guess is the people you are referring to are just starting to understand what Android/Linux really means, so that isn't really relevant to this discussion.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree here.
When the Samsung GS4 or the next HTC flagship device comes out, no one is going to care if it's running Android or not, except die-hard Android fans. All they will care about is the new features that the phone offers. And the mfgs are smart, they will make their platform compatible with Android apps, allow Google Market (and others). Look at Amazon, guarantee they will have their own Linux dist. as well eventually
and in regard to "We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first"
Uh, I don't think so. Minus the Nexus crowd, nobody buys their next phone because it is going to have JB, they buy it because it's going to have the newest/fastest dual/quad core, XXMp Camera, the newest 'smart' feature, the bigger screen, etc. Nobody ran out to buy the GS3 because it has ICS...
XDA is about 1-2% (if that) of Android users. And even on XDA, half of the users don't know enough about Android to even matter. Maybe it's somewhat different in India, but my guess is the people you are referring to are just starting to understand what Android/Linux really means, so that isn't really relevant to this discussion.
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I don't think a die hard fan of a flagship phone from Samsung or HTC is gonna buy the new flagship phone if the company changes the OS. I know people care about hardware but that doesn't mean they go totally mad about it, not looking the software at all. Btw, play store access is only for Google/android phones.
Also, nobody bought Gs3 cause it just had a quad core or it had a 8mp camera. If Samsung had bada or maybe android 2.1 on it then believe me it would have been samsung's worst selling phone.
Edit: Will u buy a new i7 3rd Gen laptop if it had windows 2000 and a restriction that u can't change it??? For same price that u buy a normal i7 laptop or even higher.