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Will the dev community pick up?

Just curious if anyone remembers the N1's dev community at this stage. Was it about the same as the NS is now? It seems a little slow, but I completely understand the thing just came out - just didn't know relatively speaking how fast or slow it's coming along.
It's a very important factor in my buying/keeping a phone.

It's actually moving quite fast considering the phone hasn't even been out a month yet. Morfic from Team Whiskey already provided us with a fully funtional 1.3 OC kernel. It took months to get a semi-stable one for the Vibrant.

Cool. I've never bought a phone this early in its cycle, so I was unsure. I left the EVO which had ROMs etc. out the wazoo. I expected there not to be a whole lot available so early, just didn't know if relatively what's available is a lot or a little.

While the quantity of roms may not be as vast as of yet I can assure you the quality is there. You will not regret making this purchase and I'm sure given a little more time the NS will shock us all with it's hidden time machine app that we haven't unlocked yet.

i'd not comment on quality so early.
Like common... it's been only 3 WEEKS since the release date.
I think we are doing pretty darn good already, way ahead of expectations.
in contrast the SGS I9000 took like 2 to 3 months to pick up speeed in the DEV world
now after 4 months they finally have quality ROMS compared to 2 months back

AllGamer said:
i'd not comment on quality so early.
Like common... it's been only 3 WEEKS since the release date.
I think we are doing pretty darn good already, way ahead of expectations.
in contrast the SGS I9000 took like 2 to 3 months to pick up speeed in the DEV world
now after 4 months they finally have quality ROMS compared to 2 months back
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I think the similarity and comparisons to the SGS line are what worry me a bit. It's usually HTC that gets all the dev love, and the SGS series (IMO) had some pretty lacking dev support.
I pray that the NS continues to get more support than the SGS.

fchipm said:
I think the similarity and comparisons to the SGS line are what worry me a bit. It's usually HTC that gets all the dev love, and the SGS series (IMO) had some pretty lacking dev support.
I pray that the NS continues to get more support than the SGS.
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I disagree about the "SGS series...had some pretty lacking dev support."
You've got to be more specific about which SGS. The i9000 crowd is very active with lots of custom roms, tweaks, kernels, recoveries, etc. The T-Mo Vibrant doesn't have nearly as much, but there's still a few options (TW, Eugene and a few others). The Captivate I know has some custom kernels, but the Fascinate seems to have almost nothing. Lack of dev support kept me from getting a Fascinate, despite desperately wanting to switch to Verizon for service.
Maybe Cyanogen and crew never gave any of these real love, but it's a disservice to some really great devs like Paul O'Brien (Modaco), DocRambone, SuperCurio, Morfic, etc to say that the entire SGS line didn't get support.
Supercurio and Paul O'Brien changed the i9000 from the best hadware on the market with the worst OS/FS to the best of both.

I just did some calculations:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10377107&postcount=566
It sums up to some 268000 units. In 3 weeks. Just in US of A and UK.
Either I grossly miscalculated somewhere or it is just "wow".

fchipm said:
Just curious if anyone remembers the N1's dev community at this stage. Was it about the same as the NS is now? It seems a little slow, but I completely understand the thing just came out - just didn't know relatively speaking how fast or slow it's coming along.
It's a very important factor in my buying/keeping a phone.
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LOL @ Everyone asking about dev support.
The phone hasn't even been out a month yet! On the Nexus One, the developer community wasn't anything but maybe one or two ROMs that were optimized Eclair plus CM5 and then a handful of kernels all doing essentially the same thing.
We also need to consider the fact that when the Nexus One launched, there was nothing like it on the market at that time. Not the case with the Nexus S. This time around, there are a lot of great phones to choose from.
I hope folks realize that one of the reasons we aren't seeing a lot of action on the development front is because everything pre-Gingerbread is considered a downgrade. Once Samsung, HTC, or Motorola update their devices to 2.3, then we'll start seeing more ROMs. Ohwaitnvm on Samsung.

unremarked said:
LOL @ Everyone asking about dev support.
The phone hasn't even been out a month yet! On the Nexus One, the developer community wasn't anything but maybe one or two ROMs that were optimized Eclair plus CM5 and then a handful of kernels all doing essentially the same thing.
We also need to consider the fact that when the Nexus One launched, there was nothing like it on the market at that time. Not the case with the Nexus S. This time around, there are a lot of great phones to choose from.
I hope folks realize that one of the reasons we aren't seeing a lot of action on the development front is because everything pre-Gingerbread is considered a downgrade. Once Samsung, HTC, or Motorola update their devices to 2.3, then we'll start seeing more ROMs. Ohwaitnvm on Samsung.
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I wasn't keeping up with N1 development at this point in its life. Glad to know it seems we are in good shape then.
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Can't wait for that HTC sense rom on this beautiful screen!!! 8-o
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does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.

RogerPodacter said:
does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.
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Last I heard, Cyanogen's primary device was still his G2. Koush is the one who's supposed to be developing CM for the Nexus S.

unremarked said:
Last I heard, Cyanogen's primary device was still his G2. Koush is the one who's supposed to be developing CM for the Nexus S.
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And doing a great job at it! Loving the newest alpha.

Already 4 roms (I think) available. That's a pretty good start since it hasn't even been a month yet.

jthornton71707 said:
Can't wait for that HTC sense rom on this beautiful screen!!! 8-o
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HTC != Samsung
I thought the whole reason for getting a NS would be to have the untainted Google experience not a HTC Skin or a Samsung skin for that matter
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does anyone know if cyanogen is planning on switching to the nexus s, or is he staying with the nexus one? that prob would make a huge difference.
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Think I saw a tweet from @cyanogen mentioning that if it is supported by Google then it will be supported by #teamdouche

CM7 compatible?

Any chance of running a vanilla version of gingerbread?

r_3 said:
Any chance of running a vanilla version of gingerbread?
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Once HTC releases the kernel source code for the Inspire, then the work on a CM 7 compatible kernel can begin.

If you want to play around with it, you can install the DHD version. It runs quite well besides having no audio. The source code is needed to build a kernel that supports the inspires audio.

tpbklake said:
Once HTC releases the kernel source code for the Inspire, then the work on a CM 7 compatible kernel can begin.
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How long after releasing a device is the manufacturer supposed to release the source code? I'm not too familiar with the whole open source thing

HTC is quite good about it. Usually a couple of weeks or so.

JaysFreaky said:
HTC is quite good about it. Usually a couple of weeks or so.
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Ahh cool, hopefully sooner than later xD I haven't had any Cyanogen love since my Nexus One

r34p3rex said:
Ahh cool, hopefully sooner than later xD I haven't had any Cyanogen love since my Nexus One
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Yeah I hear you. I've never had a device that was really supported (loaded it on my Streak, but next to nothing worked). I've always flashed my friends devices with it and I'm quite jealous. lol
Good news is that they plan to support it. If you go to their forums they've added the Inspire to the Desire HD.

This is great news I have also installed a ton of cm7 on all of my buddies phones and can't wait to actually run it myself.
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tpbklake said:
Once HTC releases the kernel source code for the Inspire, then the work on a CM 7 compatible kernel can begin.
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What is it that htc does or doesn't do that makes so many of its phones compatible with cm? Or does the cm crew simply prefer to support htc phones compared to others?

peachpuff said:
What is it that htc does or doesn't do that makes so many of its phones compatible with cm? Or does the cm crew simply prefer to support htc phones compared to others?
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well, for starters, they use the standard mtd partition layout (unlike Samsung who uses bml) which means the "fastboot" commands can work. on top of that, their devices are also usually extraordinarily similar between generations which leads to most of the exploits and such working on multiple phones. so you have a LARGE number of devices being worked on by a LARGE number of developers with extreme similarities. this leads to a lot of tools working on multiple devices (the Inspire is actually a good example of this, seeing as how it's basically a Desire HD... it's even got the Ace codename--same as the Desire HD) which makes the rapid pace of development understandable.
Add to the fact that htc and tmobile (who had the first android phone which also happened to be htc) both encourage this "hobbyist" attitude from the developer community on non-dev phones (all dev phones were htc until the Neuxs S... G1/ADP, Magic/Ion, Nexus One... and they are almost entirely open source from my understanding) to both encourage people to buy their phones and also to ENJOY their phones. HTC provides software they consider to be the best "overall user experience" and I think that means they provide android (usually with Sense UI) so that it will appeal to the widest range of people. But then there are people who want that vanilla UI without buying the dev phone (such as myself and possibly you) and I'm betting htc doesn't want to actively discourage people having this option because it means improved sales from the hobbyist community. Now I have no inside info, but I'm sure the only exploits and such that they patch are security vulnerabilities (which are the ones exploited to get root). htc even fixed cyanogen's personal Nexus One due to a faulty power button even though his "hackery" voids the warranty. Tmobile provided/collaborated with cyanogenmod with the theme-ing engine for CM7. This history of collaboration between google, htc, tmobile, and the developer community has led to strong ties and familiarity with the platform.
tl;dr:
tmobile likes having the developers on their service because it means more subscribers; htc likely wants to appeal to both the average consumer and the developers so offers an out of the box experience that most can enjoy (Sense) but doesn't actively try to discourage developers.

Kaik541 said:
well, for starters, they use the standard mtd partition layout (unlike Samsung who uses bml) which means the "fastboot" commands can work. on top of that, their devices are also usually extraordinarily similar between generations which leads to most of the exploits and such working on multiple phones. so you have a LARGE number of devices being worked on by a LARGE number of developers with extreme similarities. this leads to a lot of tools working on multiple devices (the Inspire is actually a good example of this, seeing as how it's basically a Desire HD... it's even got the Ace codename--same as the Desire HD) which makes the rapid pace of development understandable.
Add to the fact that htc and tmobile (who had the first android phone which also happened to be htc) both encourage this "hobbyist" attitude from the developer community on non-dev phones (all dev phones were htc until the Neuxs S... G1/ADP, Magic/Ion, Nexus One... and they are almost entirely open source from my understanding) to both encourage people to buy their phones and also to ENJOY their phones. HTC provides software they consider to be the best "overall user experience" and I think that means they provide android (usually with Sense UI) so that it will appeal to the widest range of people. But then there are people who want that vanilla UI without buying the dev phone (such as myself and possibly you) and I'm betting htc doesn't want to actively discourage people having this option because it means improved sales from the hobbyist community. Now I have no inside info, but I'm sure the only exploits and such that they patch are security vulnerabilities (which are the ones exploited to get root). htc even fixed cyanogen's personal Nexus One due to a faulty power button even though his "hackery" voids the warranty. Tmobile provided/collaborated with cyanogenmod with the theme-ing engine for CM7. This history of collaboration between google, htc, tmobile, and the developer community has led to strong ties and familiarity with the platform.
tl;dr:
tmobile likes having the developers on their service because it means more subscribers; htc likely wants to appeal to both the average consumer and the developers so offers an out of the box experience that most can enjoy (Sense) but doesn't actively try to discourage developers.
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And this is why HTC is full of win
If only the Inspire had a front facing camera, it'd be perfect.

r34p3rex said:
And this is why HTC is full of win
If only the Inspire had a front facing camera, it'd be perfect.
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I agree! I have heard on XDA that there should be an HTC Android device on At&t later this year with the front facing camera and all that.
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mentalcase said:
If you want to play around with it, you can install the DHD version. It runs quite well besides having no audio. The source code is needed to build a kernel that supports the inspires audio.
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Can we install CM7 then install our original radio to get sound back?

kirbo20 said:
Can we install CM7 then install our original radio to get sound back?
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Sounds more like a kernal issue.

kirbo20 said:
Can we install CM7 then install our original radio to get sound back?
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No. It's the kernel...not the radio.
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I have never tried out CM at all so I will deffinately check it out once it is available for the Inspire

Just tried out CM7, no audio as expected. Someone needs to figure out what makes the Inspire kernel different from the standard Desire HD kernel, then port it to the CM7 kernel xD

r34p3rex said:
Just tried out CM7, no audio as expected. Someone needs to figure out what makes the Inspire kernel different from the standard Desire HD kernel, then port it to the CM7 kernel xD
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You need the source first.
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From what I understand CM7 RC1 was released for the Desire HD last night so all we should need is an appropriate kernel to flash over that. I also read some people were able to get sound from a TELUS kernel for that device. Can anyone confirm that?
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rootdude said:
From what I understand CM7 RC1 was released for the Desire HD last night so all we should need is an appropriate kernel to flash over that. I also read some people were able to get sound from a TELUS kernel for that device. Can anyone confirm that?
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Seems any dhd Rom will work. If cm7 was ported then it should work like any other Rom with the TELUS.
Inspire (rooted)
Leedroid v2.0.0
TELUS kernel

[Q] Is The HOX really worth it?

I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?

get SGS3
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another nagger
CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!

Buy an iPhone
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hamdir said:
get SGS3
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
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Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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agree with hamdir..we got all the best roms up and running and got like 3 versions of cm9 which are fully working..what else do you want? and we also got a Paranoidandroid port so again what else would you want...plus windows phone 8 ports should be dropping if the rumoured Tegra 3 chips they would be using would make it easy to port so again i say what else do you want? lol
go and get yourself an s3 my friend and be happy
Think of the One X as the modern HD2 phone with the support we are getting and not even been 3 months since the phone has been released and look what we have already

sabret00the said:
I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
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What answers do you expect in the HOX forum....
SGS3 is not without its issues too, one guy even had his phone set on fire on him. LOL
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sabret00the said:
Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date

In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!

Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.

Sckank said:
Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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chrisjcks said:
I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.

Sckank said:
Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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use sound enhancer mode it sounds even better..link in my sig

hamdir said:
seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
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Yeah but on my current device. Despite having all the goodies and kernel development. The camera still doesn't work as good as the stock. There's still sound issues etc. I never read about these things with OMAP devices.
Spewy1 said:
In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
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Thanks for the reply. I really just want it for the hardware. But rating is over the S3 does bring a smile to my face.

See what happens to SGS3 when SGS4 coming in. HOX will get better support. I mean long term support. Look at SGS2, not much going in in the original development, ICS upgrade are rushed work. I have a SGS2 so I know the dev environment for that phone. Most dev ditch it for Galaxy Nexus or SGS3. Look at SGS1, no official ICS by Samsung lolz, which have the same spec as Nexus S, and reason is Touchwiz related. Yes SGS3 get CM9 first. Now lets see who get CM10 first. SGS2 got a late CM9 cuz of sources. Not only late on releasing sources, but Samsung messed it up. The CM9 devs almost give up(which i'm glad they didnt) and now AOSP roms are better than TW ICS on SGS2. HTC Sensation got CM9 first compared to SGS2(which was released at the same time). See what i did there? Samsung will dump their previous flagship that easy.
Sensation VS SGS2
- same time release with Gingerbread but when ICS rolled out, Samsung released a rushed firmware upgrade and rushed sources, which makes CM9 slower while Sensation got everything working easily in the early CM9 phase. SGS2 had it too, but too many things not working.
- Sensation still got true and RD devs working on, while SGS2 has many winzippers(no offense to anyone) only(see their forums, has it split between 2 development threads). cuz RD devs on SGS2 find it difficult to work with SGS2 sources. I am not sure why, but no updates for months from them, except CM9 team.
SGS3? yeah cuz they got released with ICS so they got CM9 working fast. Now see when Jelly Bean comes. SGS2 has a lot of devs in the early days, but most has ditch it half way. I admit, SGS2 is still a great device. it was a legendary that revolutionize the dual core, but Samsung wasted it when they have a new flagships.
Your choice. if you like changing phones, go for SGS3, cuz you can buy SGS4 afterwards. but if not, go for HOX, more power till the end of its life. else, buy an iphone. much more easier, peace of mind.

I think the HOX is a brilliant phone, and I've had none of the more permanent faults, like the WiFi issue..
Only fault I've had was the yellow spots, but they went away the next day and I haven't seen them since, also I think it was my own fault.. I was in a public place and I was messing about with settings when it started blaring out music, really loud, and I couldn't turn it down, so I applied pressure to the back to silence it.

Your choice in the end.
I've got both devices and will be sending back my SGS3 for a full refund.
Why?
- I prefer Sense,
- I prefer SLCD2,
- I prefer the brightness,
- I prefer the looks,
- I prefer the build,
- I prefer HTCs overall device support including OTAs and longer albeit slower releases of newer Android versions,
- I prefer the helpful guys on this side,
- I prefer the camera
- I prefer the social network integration,
- I prefer the mail app,
etc etc
Both are good phones don't get me wrong, I'll keep saying any user will be happy with either BUT:
- Removable/extendable battery
- Extendable storage
If the above 2 are important to you avoid the HOX and opt for something else, if not an issue the HOX is a good choice out of the 2 top end Android handsets presently.
I'm not going to say buy the HOX over the SGS3 or vice versa, but I do suggest you handle both then make a decision as user experience is better than me or anyone else saying x y or z about the device.

Another opened BS thread, clutter, nothing to learn, boring, pfffff...
To my opinion it's, to yours it's probably not.

Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.

sabret00the said:
Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.

Nigeldg said:
You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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The one x's screen is better then the s3's... It's sharper and the colours look so much better. Plus u can actually view it in sunlight.
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HTC comments on Jelly Bean for the One Series

http://ausdroid.net/2012/06/29/htc-comments-on-jelly-bean-for-the-one-series/

"We are excited about Android Jelly Bean and are planning to support it across a variety of our devices. We are reviewing the software to determine our upgrade plans and schedule, so please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans.”
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They say basically nothing.

We'll obviously get jelly bean.. In fall..

karan1203 said:
We'll obviously get jelly bean.. In fall..
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2014

Who cares when we get "official" JB? We'll get it long before HTC gives it to us. And honestly I could care less if we ever get it at all. My phone is quite literally perfect the way it is and will do just fine for me until HTC's quad core S4 phone comes out.
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I love how htc spins its wheels regarding every issue...
I understand from a big business point of view of wanting to balance sounding good while not giving any definitive answers, but honestly its getting a little old now...
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How awesome would it be if htc let's us run plain android ala nexus on the one x .
I think it would make this phone even better than it already is.
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one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.

ethantarheels123 said:
one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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The custom ui's draw some people in, the buy the phone because the love sense, or touchwiz. Many people run custom launchera, but some but phones specifically because the want that custom ui.
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gunnyman said:
2014
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From AT&T ya... if at all. HTC will prolly push it out around September/October.

Red5 said:
From AT&T ya... if at all. HTC will prolly push it out around September/October.
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Indeed
As soon as we have source builds will start so maybe July/August

They are probably working on it now. They might be one of the few oems that got the pdk a bit early that Google announced. So hopefully updates will roll out faster
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ethantarheels123 said:
one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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Sense 4 is not bad and better than stock ics in some ways.
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ethantarheels123 said:
one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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They do this to help differentiate a saturated market. And believe it or not, I know quite a few people who dig sense, or tw. I myself prefer vanilla. But you have to remember there is a lot of little handy things sense does, like fb integration, that stock vanilla android does not do, and most users couldn't be bothered to play with it and mod it to work. I am just against manufacturer overlays as the next Xda user(the minority), but I'm just trying to enlighten you as to why these overlays exist, mainly to stand out from one another.
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corythug said:
They do this to help differentiate a saturated market. And believe it or not, I know quite a few people who dig sense, or tw. I myself prefer vanilla. But you have to remember there is a lot of little handy things sense does, like fb integration, that stock vanilla android does not do, and most users couldn't be bothered to play with it and mod it to work. I am just against manufacturer overlays as the next Xda user(the minority), but I'm just trying to enlighten you as to why these overlays exist, mainly to stand out from one another.
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the ONLY reason I use a sense based rom is due to facebook syncing contact pictures. Its very handy. I know of haxsync, but I don't want to pay for something that should be/is free.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I for one really like sence and would never bash someone for liking aosp. If I'm not mistaken I believe the manufactures are required to mask the ui of stock android. Except for the nexus series which is marketed as a google device.
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jayv81 said:
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I for one really like sence and would never bash someone for liking aosp. If I'm not mistaken I believe the manufactures are required to mask the ui of stock android. Except for the nexus series which is marketed as a google device.
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Not true at all. It's the opposite. They like adding their own stuff because they think that's what sells. Go look at any "cheap" Android phone. They're actually lucky enough to get stock Android.
I've been wishing they could just make it the customers choice. It can't be hard to make a vanilla rom on top of their Sense or TW. At initial setup let us choose whether or not it installs Sense or whatever.

rquinn19 said:
Not true at all. It's the opposite. They like adding their own stuff because they think that's what sells. Go look at any "cheap" Android phone. They're actually lucky enough to get stock Android.
I've been wishing they could just make it the customers choice. It can't be hard to make a vanilla rom on top of their Sense or TW. At initial setup let us choose whether or not it installs Sense or whatever.
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rquinn I have to believe Google wants the same thing.
Google puts a lot of work into the Stock Android experience. ICS is by a huge margin better from a UI standpoint than any version that has come before it.
Trouble is, unless you're a phone geek, you won't see it.
I can only think of one or two devices besides the Nexus that DON'T skin Android.
I want to try a Huwai device for this reason. I've decided that after I'm done with this device, I'm buying a Pure Google one. If the release of the Nexus 7 and the Galaxy Nexus to the play store is any indication, Google is going into the hardware business full time, and I can't wait to see what they do.
Skins can be great, but they should be an option that you can enable or disable with a button click.

I personally love Sense, but it's what works for you, obviously. HTC's Mail app has the best Exchange support I've ever seen in Android. Granted I've never used Samsung's mail client, so maybe it's comparable, but everything else is either really flaky, incomplete, or ugly. I actually wish they would bring back the My Shelf application that was on a few phones (like the DHD.) Of all the eReaders I've tried, it's been my favourite. I also haven't seen any calendar app/widget combination that has, IMO, come close to the HTC one in terms of fluidity and completeness.
But, on the topic of Jellybean: As someone else mentioned, I'm in no rush. This phone's damn near perfect. It's almost always buttery smooth, so I don't think Project Butter will improve it a whole lot. Google Now and the improved notifications would be nice though, I guess.

craig0r said:
I personally love Sense, but it's what works for you, obviously. HTC's Mail app has the best Exchange support I've ever seen in Android. Granted I've never used Samsung's mail client, so maybe it's comparable, but everything else is either really flaky, incomplete, or ugly. I actually wish they would bring back the My Shelf application that was on a few phones (like the DHD.) Of all the eReaders I've tried, it's been my favourite. I also haven't seen any calendar app/widget combination that has, IMO, come close to the HTC one in terms of fluidity and completeness.
But, on the topic of Jellybean: As someone else mentioned, I'm in no rush. This phone's damn near perfect. It's almost always buttery smooth, so I don't think Project Butter will improve it a whole lot. Google Now and the improved notifications would be nice though, I guess.
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Project butter will, think of it like a tune up to a car, but a tune up to the Android code, probably a copy of linaro code on cm9.
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Best Phones for Testing APKs?

We need to buy about 2 phones for testing some custom android apps we've built.
Does anyone have suggestions on what the best phones for testing would be?
I was thinking something with HTC sense on it, and something with stock android on it. Both need to be able to s-off and root easily.

erm... the google dev phones (nexus) ?? Personally I use galaxy nexus most for this kinda thing

For any kind of software testing, you need to know how it will function on both the latest and greatest devices, as well as the oldest hardware you intend to support.
I'd think for the price of two top-tier 2012 phones, you could buy 1 top of the line current phone, one from last year, and one from 2 years ago. Possibly also include Sense, Touchwiz and vanilla android.

Something running GB and something running ICS/JB. Many phones are still on GB so a used device running GB would be useful to test on.

Test it on emulator first?

jianC said:
Test it on emulator first?
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Yes for sure it's the first thing to do,but not always if it works on emulator it will work on specific phone

Nexus one and galaxy nexus. Then you've got gingerbread and jellybean covered

If you need a newer phone for testing , the Galaxy Nexus is an obvious choice .
If you need a older phone ( old hardware ) to test yous apps , have a look at Nexus 1 or HTC Desire , it can run flawlessly 2.2 , 2.3 and 4.0.4 . I have a Desire on ICS ( BCM ) so I can tell .

willpower102 said:
We need to buy about 2 phones for testing some custom android apps we've built.
Does anyone have suggestions on what the best phones for testing would be?
I was thinking something with HTC sense on it, and something with stock android on it. Both need to be able to s-off and root easily.
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HD2? ROMs range from Android 2.1-4.1 (AOSP, AOKP, CM), Sense 2.0-3.5 (one discontinued Sense 4 alpha), TouchWiz + GB, Xperia Arc GB, MIUI etc. It's also got similar specs to a low-range phone nowadays so that would be a good choice I think. In addition, a One X probably.

HTC One X?!

Samsung galaxy nexus
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Galaxy nexus its official hands down
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It seems it is indeed no contest there.
Does the Galaxy Nexus come with Sense by default? (It's been a while since I've looked into these. Last Android phone I owned was a droid bionic and before that the htc hero.)
We definitely are going to support gingerbread, so we'll need a little bit of an older phone too. I'm sure breaking it up like that into 3 or so phones is ok, as long as they fall under budget.
And yeah, the dev tests with emulators, but I'm QA on this project so I get to play with them real-world once he's done and find more bugs.

Nexus S and a Galaxy Nexus,
Will do the job well:thumbup:
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willpower102 said:
It seems it is indeed no contest there.
Does the Galaxy Nexus come with Sense by default? (It's been a while since I've looked into these. Last Android phone I owned was a droid bionic and before that the htc hero.)
We definitely are going to support gingerbread, so we'll need a little bit of an older phone too. I'm sure breaking it up like that into 3 or so phones is ok, as long as they fall under budget.
And yeah, the dev tests with emulators, but I'm QA on this project so I get to play with them real-world once he's done and find more bugs.
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GNex is a Nexus phone, so why would it come with Sense?
Anyway, the best choice is still the HD2 IMO. You can test it on all versions of Android from 2.1-4.1 and it's incredibly cheap, with specs which are not too bad (1GHz Snapdragon with 576MB RAM) for the price. If you can get the app to run smoothly on the HD2 the likelihood is that it will run on any newer phone.

IMHO you have yo use a stock device.. nexus as all the docs suggest. Custom ROMs have additions substitutions and tweaks that in a dev sense are not baseline. Although the differences are minimal or should be. Better to play safe. So nexus s and galaxy nexus.. Google provide stock ROMs for these in dev device downloads.
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Noted. Thanks.
And yeah, that's cool that some of these phones support plenty of roms, but I don't want to be flashing 3 different roms every time the dev iterates a new point (v.2) update. I'd rather have 2-3 phones ready to go. (seems lazy, but I've got a lot of other work to do to

We got a droid (motorola timestamp issues), a Galaxy Nexus, and an hd2. So the hd2 comes stock with windows mobile? This is strange to me.

willpower102 said:
We got a droid (motorola timestamp issues), a Galaxy Nexus, and an hd2. So the hd2 comes stock with windows mobile? This is strange to me.
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Well, the hd2 does have a lot of support, but when the top threads in the device specific forum warn of how unstable and beta-ish android development is on this phone, then I'm not really as excited as I was. might end up returning this one.