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[Q] developer community support for G2x

I had a Nexus One from launch till 4 months ago and the developer support made me fall in love with Android.
I decided to test out WP7 with the hopes that it would develop into something great; however, I am immensely unsatisfied with the rate of development on this platform.
I would like to come back to Android and this phone is very appealing to my needs.
My question: Will the developer community heavily support this phone like they did with the Nexus One?
My 2 favorite things on Android were Cyanogenmod and Kang-o-rama. I would be incredibly happy if these items were available on this phone.

I'm sure this phone will have PLENTY of dev support. I know that cyanogen himself and a few others from teamdouche are getting the g2x also
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Vanilla dual core means support.
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This device will recieve a lot of support because it doesn't have a locked bootloader like the Sensation(not 100% on this yet till the time comes) which is coming out later this year. Plus it's a dual core phone...

Yea it seems lots of devs already said the G2x was their next phone. We already have root, but they are still working on getting the recovery working. Not that I have any lack of faith either, cause the phone just has a different partition table compared to the O2x (which they didn't expect).
I would say that once we get the recovery, roms will start pouring in.

For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?

kd78 said:
For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?
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It seems Samsung has learned the error of their ways with the whole Froyo debacle, they seem to be keeping their promish in reguards to the time frame for updates and such in the future, so the sgs2 might also be a good choice....
Samsung has burned it's bridge with me, I don't intend to go back in the near future unless the jump through a couple hoops...

diablos991 said:
I had a Nexus One from launch till 4 months ago and the developer support made me fall in love with Android.
I decided to test out WP7 with the hopes that it would develop into something great; however, I am immensely unsatisfied with the rate of development on this platform.
I would like to come back to Android and this phone is very appealing to my needs.
My question: Will the developer community heavily support this phone like they did with the Nexus One?
My 2 favorite things on Android were Cyanogenmod and Kang-o-rama. I would be incredibly happy if these items were available on this phone.
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I for one am coming to the g2x from my Nexus One for a combination of features (dual core, build quality, etc.) + developer support.
I've been following quite a few threads, etc to try to gauge developer support & it seems like the g2x will have *plenty* of it. I'd probably still be on the fence a bit if it wasn't for this.
As mentioned, I believe Cyanogen is getting a g2x & development has already begun on CM7. Paul Obrien & dj (kang-o-rama) both have Optimus 2X's so we'll hopefully be able to use/leverage their great work for the g2x.

If you had the G1 back in the day (like it was sooo long ago) , I think this is going to take us back close to those days. There will be a lot of support.
Just the fact that it will get CM7 means there well be lots of spin-offs and themes. Then there will be the TW team, Eugene and Barrak, and others and of course P. O'brien and the devs working on the O2.
Definitely if you're a dev on tmo you're gonna get this phone.
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kd78 said:
For me Dev support is the deciding factor between the g2x , sgs2, and sensation.
From how it sounds, the g2x seems to have the lead in Dev interest. Are there any rumors of a new nexus which could steal the Dev spotlight?
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For me, it was the Tegra 2 with Nvidia backing. Samsung and HTC make phones, not games. I can see Nvidia pushing lots of devs over to optimizing games for the chipset.
And I don't know about the Super Amoled Plus but that weird blue hue has put me off of the later screens.
Plus Tegra 2 is noticeably faster then the new Orion in the SGS2 in 3D games.
While the Sensation is a pretty phone, I didn't see anything that peaked my interest.

So many people jumping ship.

I post very rarely, cause I am a very capable leech and can use the search button. In this case I feel like the g2x isn't getting enough love. Yes, in all likelihood we will not be getting official ICS support, but we will get CM9. Even though the 2 cores wont be completely utilized, the tegra2 will probably be faster than that qualcomm SoC. Anyone I know that has moved to the sensation has stated the g2x is a faster device. Anyways, I am using a Cherry Pick cm7 nightly from... that other site, with faux's kernel and decided to give that V6 supercharger a try. It is buttery smooth, no APN problems, no BSOD, battery life under heavy use is incredible. I have used Weapon, White's Miui, EB, Axura, and CM7.1. Take your pick, they are all amazing. We have some awesome developers and I sincerely appreciate what you've done with this widely underrated handset. I will now retreat back into my hole. Might be fun just to have a thread not so negative ya know!

I know I might be jumping the ship. I'm on MIUI with faux 4.3 UV kernel and I love this phone. Everything is fast, everything works. However as far as future proof the only reason I am thinking of switching is because of the support. The dev section for the g2x is dying. We have 2 or 3 ROMS that are actually good and get updated frequently. Have you looked at the sensation dev section? There are about 8 active threads. The mytouch 4G(my old phone) is much older than this phone and still has a more active dev section. Its disappointing.
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I agree. Seems as though imo lg and nvidia are the reason. I may be wrong but from what I understand the devs just have a hard time with the drivers they are provided.
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deadlocked007 said:
Ayyyy my EVO 3D is now synchronous dual core and at 1.5ghz normal and 1.8 oc -_- Beat that
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Higher processor speed =/= better performance.
That's not how CPUs work.
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I get it, its not as exciting. I had the g1 while it development was peaked. We still got a device that is gonna be future proof long enough to get to the kal-el powered phones. Which is when I will probably think it will be worth upgrading. Remember the software has not yet caught up to this hyper powered hardware. Most of the development so far has gone to getting the operating system to a point where they can start optimizing it. Shadow Gun doesn't even start to flex the power of this chipset. Well, that is my ignorant impression of the android situation.

deadlocked007 said:
I know I'm just saying but we've been able to overclock the gpu too and right now our neocore nemamark etc. scores are high as hell lol get it.... But yeah dont hate and in real world performance its silky smooth. That's what she said xD
Oh and I hope you guys get that devs support you need gl with that
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Hey, I'm not hating, I'm just sayin.'

Primer65 said:
We have some awesome developers and I sincerely appreciate what you've done with this widely underrated handset.
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+1
I'm really grateful for the work the devs have done fixing up this phone. I hope people will be patient with them in the next few months. We don't want to lose any more devs. This handset had potential.

You people kill me. How many roms do you intend on running on your phone? You can only run one unless you have dual boot. You talk about the devs abandoning g2x or not enough development. Well what do you want to see that hasent been done? There are nightlies out everyday. Somebody must be developing something. Here's what you do, pick a rom, any rom and stick with it.
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Some more roms are about to start back up. If LG is telling the truth then we will get leaked drivers soon. Btw look up the history of the HTC Droid Eris we got no support from Verizon or HTC the reason I'll never own a another HTC device this phone has updated faster with promise of more updates unlike that phone was killed before it got started
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lanlee212 said:
Some more roms are about to start back up. If LG is telling the truth then we will get leaked drivers soon. Btw look up the history of the HTC Droid Eris we got no support from Verizon or HTC the reason I'll never own a another HTC device this phone has updated faster with promise of more updates unlike that phone was killed before it got started
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That's not a fair comparison. HTC has the best track record of updates by a LARGE margin. You're comparing the Eris... Which has very bad hardware. But look HTC's record, they updated the two year old Incredible to GB... Almost every 1ghz or higher HTC has GB. Maybe even all of them if I'm not mistaken. So as for updates, I'd go with HTC. I just dislike HTC's hardware, their phones always deal with stupid defects like different screens, eMMC issues, dust under the screen, and just abnormal build quality issues.
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mackster248 said:
That's not a fair comparison. HTC has the best track record of updates by a LARGE margin. You're comparing the Eris... Which has very bad hardware. But look HTC's record, they updated the two year old Incredible to GB... Almost every 1ghz or higher HTC has GB. Maybe even all of them if I'm not mistaken. So as for updates, I'd go with HTC. I just dislike HTC's hardware, their phones always deal with stupid defects like different screens, eMMC issues, dust under the screen, and just abnormal build quality issues.
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It was the second Android on Verizon. They could let us with foyo and then dropped us they did that phone wrong. It had bad dialer lag that foyo would helped. It was a crap phone.
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mackster248 said:
That's not a fair comparison. HTC has the best track record of updates by a LARGE margin. You're comparing the Eris... Which has very bad hardware. But look HTC's record, they updated the two year old Incredible to GB... Almost every 1ghz or higher HTC has GB. Maybe even all of them if I'm not mistaken. So as for updates, I'd go with HTC. I just dislike HTC's hardware, their phones always deal with stupid defects like different screens, eMMC issues, dust under the screen, and just abnormal build quality issues.
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Very bad speaker quality I might add also, tho I still loved the heck out of my ol' g1,mt4g.
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lanlee212 said:
Some more roms are about to start back up. If LG is telling the truth then we will get leaked drivers soon.
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What makes you say that? They backpedaled a bit on the no ICS statement but only so far as to say they were still testing phones for compatibility, which basically means nothing.
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Well we also have an (un)official 2.3.4 from a G2x variant working on our phones. Once we start having several different models being updated, then we'll all start having bits and pieces to play with.
This is why HTC phones typically have lots of development because they release TONS of phones and they can pull bits and pieces together to better other devices. Once LG starts pumping out more "similar" phones, we'll start to get more and more missing pieces to get it working.
If not the devs will improvise such as they did with the A2DP driver on AOSP roms.
At this point the G2x on CM7 is pretty much near perfect. Battery life seems great, everything works as it should, GPS is almost instant. I have no complaints. We also have several roms currently. Remember that not all the G2x roms are just posted here at XDA
The G2x is a sexy phone. It is still a beast and is faster then most newer phones out there today. It may even play games faster then the Galaxy Nexus... who knows. But you have to know we'll get ICS. Either from the CM team or LG or both. I'd really like to see this phone with ICS and how well it performs against the Galaxy Nexus.
The O2x/G2x/O3D are LG's flagship models. Moving forward, LG just can not NOT upgrade at least some of their phones to ICS because that would be suicide. The G2x is a little more then 6months old. I'd say that we WILL get it but might be mid-2012 because you KNOW they'll release a stock ICS phone or two before upgrading existing handsets but I would expect this from most carriers.
Also the next Android release is typically buggy the first few builds while Google fixes it. The Nexus One and Nexus S both had new versions of Android but it wasn't released to other devices until the second or third revision. The Nexus S came out this time last year and the Nexus One wasn't officially updated until late January or February. Then other phones started to follow suite once a stable version was released.
So unless Google is doing something radically different then before, the Galaxy Nexus will hold ICS to itself for several months before any other device will see it (officially). So unless you are moving to the Galaxy Nexus, no other available phone has any benefit over the G2x at this point.

LuponX said:
+1
I'm really grateful for the work the devs have done fixing up this phone. I hope people will be patient with them in the next few months. We don't want to lose any more devs. This handset had potential.
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+1
keep up the great work devs....and remember children will act like children. Do not let the negative kids chase you off. Most of us appreciate the hard work.

player911 said:
Well we also have an (un)official 2.3.4 from a G2x variant working on our phones. Once we start having several different models being updated, then we'll all start having bits and pieces to play with.
This is why HTC phones typically have lots of development because they release TONS of phones and they can pull bits and pieces together to better other devices. Once LG starts pumping out more "similar" phones, we'll start to get more and more missing pieces to get it working.
If not the devs will improvise such as they did with the A2DP driver on AOSP roms.
At this point the G2x on CM7 is pretty much near perfect. Battery life seems great, everything works as it should, GPS is almost instant. I have no complaints. We also have several roms currently. Remember that not all the G2x roms are just posted here at XDA
The G2x is a sexy phone. It is still a beast and is faster then most newer phones out there today. It may even play games faster then the Galaxy Nexus... who knows. But you have to know we'll get ICS. Either from the CM team or LG or both. I'd really like to see this phone with ICS and how well it performs against the Galaxy Nexus.
The O2x/G2x/O3D are LG's flagship models. Moving forward, LG just can not NOT upgrade at least some of their phones to ICS because that would be suicide. The G2x is a little more then 6months old. I'd say that we WILL get it but might be mid-2012 because you KNOW they'll release a stock ICS phone or two before upgrading existing handsets but I would expect this from most carriers.
Also the next Android release is typically buggy the first few builds while Google fixes it. The Nexus One and Nexus S both had new versions of Android but it wasn't released to other devices until the second or third revision. The Nexus S came out this time last year and the Nexus One wasn't officially updated until late January or February. Then other phones started to follow suite once a stable version was released.
So unless Google is doing something radically different then before, the Galaxy Nexus will hold ICS to itself for several months before any other device will see it (officially). So unless you are moving to the Galaxy Nexus, no other available phone has any benefit over the G2x at this point.
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Very well said.

You know I've never understood why "we only have 3 or so really good roms" is a bad thing. Really, what more do we need? We have CM7 for the AOSP crowd, MIUI for the iPhone lookalikers, and Weapon for stock lovers. Throw in Ultimate for 2.2 and Eaglesblood for minimalism and I really don't see what we're missing out on.
More != better.

LordButtersI said:
You know I've never understood why "we only have 3 or so really good roms" is a bad thing. Really, what more do we need? ... More != better.
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Agreed, how often do most people change ROMs anyway? (I'm not talking about nightlies or new versions, but about swapping between say CM7 and MIUI.) I'd rather have a handful of well-developed projects than a dozen or so ones that meander along without ever really completing.
Thanks as well to the devs - loving the work!
Tv

deadlocked007 said:
Ayyyy my EVO 3D is now synchronous dual core and at 1.5ghz normal and 1.8 oc -_- Beat that
My unbranded GS2 Miui Exnoys 1.5Ghz OC is pushing 6000 quadrant beat that
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op is right, I am on 182 + Faux CM + v6 charger @ Balance 3, oced @ 1.2 for daily use, smooth like butter. Only problem with Google navigation doesn't auto rotate.

Disgruntled Sensation owner

I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?

I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to

tehgeekguy said:
I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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That's what really bothers me about the sensation, it doesn't do what I need it to do. HTC Sense is a complete mess imo, and cm7 (which is what I'm currently running) is incredibly buggy due to it still being an alpha. (the browser will crash about every tenth page you load) Thanks for the input.

gonintendo said:
I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up

simms22 said:
your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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lol, that's why I put downgrade in quotes, everything about the phone in terms of specs is worse than the sensation, but I think it's a better over all phone. Thanks for the heads up though, I'll definitely keep track of this this morfic guy.

simms22 said:
your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.

tehgeekguy said:
I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw

I'd wait till the ics OTA drops for the nexus s. Right now ics roms are pretty stable but they are no where near as smooth as gingerbread roms. No one knows how well ics will transfer to single cores, so your sensation may be better for the long run because of the duel core.
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morfic said:
It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.

morfic said:
It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)

tehgeekguy said:
For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
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I am definitely going to hang on to it for at least a month or two, I just wanted to see how you nexus owners like your phones as I don't have any friends with them.

gonintendo said:
I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.

tehgeekguy said:
Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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I'm on cm7 right now. I have tried arhd, but that gave me really bad battery life, no matter which kernel I used. I tried a few others, I think insert coin was one of them, but none really felt as snappy as cm7. Some were smoother, but multitasking and opening apps is much quicker in cm7. I'll take the buggyness of cm's current state on the sensation over sense any day.

My ns4g with aosp's ics ROM is incredible. Probably going to take a break from my EVO 3d and use it as my daily driver for a while once the OTA drops
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First why in the he'll would you get an HTC phone if you didn't like sense, dumb move, should have got the g2x. It will get better for aosp, quit crying..
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gonintendo said:
I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
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OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.

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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).

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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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I wouldn't mind knowing who those guys are actually; so I can follow them myself on G+.

unfnknblvbl said:
I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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It looks like some dumba** mod didn't read my post and moved it from the nexus s forums to the sensation forums. The point of the thread was not to complain about cm development on the sensation, I realize that it's a labor of love and that the team working on it is small, the point of the thread was to ask galaxy s owners whether they feel proper CM support and stock OTA updates are worth the downgrade in hardware.
And no, my phone is not defective, it has one of the auo screens which have been confirmed to have scanlines and poor pixel response times.
@the guy asking me why I bought an htc phone: htc phones have always been famous for having great cm support and their hardware is really nice.

I feel that my Sensation is a bit slow sometimes, but I'm trying to tell myself that it'll all be great when ICS comes out (either via HTC or CM9).

[Q] Is The HOX really worth it?

I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?

get SGS3
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another nagger
CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!

Buy an iPhone
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
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Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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agree with hamdir..we got all the best roms up and running and got like 3 versions of cm9 which are fully working..what else do you want? and we also got a Paranoidandroid port so again what else would you want...plus windows phone 8 ports should be dropping if the rumoured Tegra 3 chips they would be using would make it easy to port so again i say what else do you want? lol
go and get yourself an s3 my friend and be happy
Think of the One X as the modern HD2 phone with the support we are getting and not even been 3 months since the phone has been released and look what we have already

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I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
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What answers do you expect in the HOX forum....
SGS3 is not without its issues too, one guy even had his phone set on fire on him. LOL
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sabret00the said:
Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date

In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!

Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.

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Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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chrisjcks said:
I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.

Sckank said:
Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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use sound enhancer mode it sounds even better..link in my sig

hamdir said:
seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
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Yeah but on my current device. Despite having all the goodies and kernel development. The camera still doesn't work as good as the stock. There's still sound issues etc. I never read about these things with OMAP devices.
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In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
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Thanks for the reply. I really just want it for the hardware. But rating is over the S3 does bring a smile to my face.

See what happens to SGS3 when SGS4 coming in. HOX will get better support. I mean long term support. Look at SGS2, not much going in in the original development, ICS upgrade are rushed work. I have a SGS2 so I know the dev environment for that phone. Most dev ditch it for Galaxy Nexus or SGS3. Look at SGS1, no official ICS by Samsung lolz, which have the same spec as Nexus S, and reason is Touchwiz related. Yes SGS3 get CM9 first. Now lets see who get CM10 first. SGS2 got a late CM9 cuz of sources. Not only late on releasing sources, but Samsung messed it up. The CM9 devs almost give up(which i'm glad they didnt) and now AOSP roms are better than TW ICS on SGS2. HTC Sensation got CM9 first compared to SGS2(which was released at the same time). See what i did there? Samsung will dump their previous flagship that easy.
Sensation VS SGS2
- same time release with Gingerbread but when ICS rolled out, Samsung released a rushed firmware upgrade and rushed sources, which makes CM9 slower while Sensation got everything working easily in the early CM9 phase. SGS2 had it too, but too many things not working.
- Sensation still got true and RD devs working on, while SGS2 has many winzippers(no offense to anyone) only(see their forums, has it split between 2 development threads). cuz RD devs on SGS2 find it difficult to work with SGS2 sources. I am not sure why, but no updates for months from them, except CM9 team.
SGS3? yeah cuz they got released with ICS so they got CM9 working fast. Now see when Jelly Bean comes. SGS2 has a lot of devs in the early days, but most has ditch it half way. I admit, SGS2 is still a great device. it was a legendary that revolutionize the dual core, but Samsung wasted it when they have a new flagships.
Your choice. if you like changing phones, go for SGS3, cuz you can buy SGS4 afterwards. but if not, go for HOX, more power till the end of its life. else, buy an iphone. much more easier, peace of mind.

I think the HOX is a brilliant phone, and I've had none of the more permanent faults, like the WiFi issue..
Only fault I've had was the yellow spots, but they went away the next day and I haven't seen them since, also I think it was my own fault.. I was in a public place and I was messing about with settings when it started blaring out music, really loud, and I couldn't turn it down, so I applied pressure to the back to silence it.

Your choice in the end.
I've got both devices and will be sending back my SGS3 for a full refund.
Why?
- I prefer Sense,
- I prefer SLCD2,
- I prefer the brightness,
- I prefer the looks,
- I prefer the build,
- I prefer HTCs overall device support including OTAs and longer albeit slower releases of newer Android versions,
- I prefer the helpful guys on this side,
- I prefer the camera
- I prefer the social network integration,
- I prefer the mail app,
etc etc
Both are good phones don't get me wrong, I'll keep saying any user will be happy with either BUT:
- Removable/extendable battery
- Extendable storage
If the above 2 are important to you avoid the HOX and opt for something else, if not an issue the HOX is a good choice out of the 2 top end Android handsets presently.
I'm not going to say buy the HOX over the SGS3 or vice versa, but I do suggest you handle both then make a decision as user experience is better than me or anyone else saying x y or z about the device.

Another opened BS thread, clutter, nothing to learn, boring, pfffff...
To my opinion it's, to yours it's probably not.

Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.

sabret00the said:
Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.

Nigeldg said:
You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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The one x's screen is better then the s3's... It's sharper and the colours look so much better. Plus u can actually view it in sunlight.
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Why are we left behind????

I asked this last year and haven't gotten anywhere since.
I started out with the G2 and quickly had CM7 on it. I had a insurance replacement and got the MT4GS as a replacement. Camera is an important app for me. I was spoiled with all the great stuff on CM7 but the Google camera in the G2 was not very good. After trying several camera apps, I found none.
Back to the MT4GS. The camera app was great and it is the biggest reason I have not stuck with the various roms available here.
I did upgrade to the Galaxy S3 but I returned it after a couple of days because I just couldn't justify $350 ( after rebate, total cost). It got me ticked off when I heard a co worker tell me he got his at Sprint for $100 plus the taxes. It is a great phone and it already has much rom development.
SO - Why is our phone so far behind the rest of the good phones out there? Why is the camera with 1080 video so hard to get going? We have a great phone but no developers can approach the complete package I got with CM7.
I am not a developer. I have donated to people whose roms I have used. I have the paid version of ROM Manager, but since I got the MT4GS, it is worthless except to use as an installer.
I used to download nightlies every night.
Signed,
Frustrated

It's a shame, but think of it as a niche market...
Think of the low number of T-Mobile USA subscribers vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of smart people that buy hard keyboard phones vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of people that actually know what 1080p and focal length mean vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people looking for a new phone vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people not getting sucked in by marketing from Samsung, Apple vs everyone else.
Relatively speaking; no one bought this phone.
It's a shame. Because smart people did.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201

we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?

xmc wildchild22 said:
we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?
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sandiegoan said:
camera with 1080 video
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NOW who's not reading threads before asking questions, XMC?
It is true that there's a lot less dev on this phone than many others with inferior hardware. It would be nice to have an RC for CM9, for instance(though our build is plenty stable).
I will say, though, that the few we do have are big winners. For big names, We've got MIUI, Virtuous, CM, and AOKP. We've got also got several tweaked stock builds. There ARE roms that keep the stock camera too while being pretty far from stock, so I'm not sure about that complaint.
As far as other devices that have 800 different ROMs available, I spent a lot of time tweaking my OG Droid, and a friend of Mine's HTC EVO 4G. 80% of the builds that are out there on those devices are just clones of each other with buggy themes or different UI versions thrown on, some features enabled or disabled, or debloated rips of the stock rom. If you go into the development sections for these other devices, you will find that the majority of people who make a lot of posts and provide the most help tend to be on one of three to five major ROMS, just the same as you see in the dev section here.

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we have cm7, cm9 and 3.0 kernel which everyone dreams of. Lol what else are you looking for?
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For me the phone is perfect. Can't really find anything else that I need and miss? 4 weeks battery life maybe

Paitor said:
For me the phone is perfect. Can't really find anything else that I need and miss? 4 weeks battery life maybe
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^ second that.

I was actually this close to ditching the Slide for the Galaxy Nexus when Jelly Bean was released. I miiiiiiight still do it, but I'm really leaning toward keeping the Slide just because of the camera. The still pictures on this phone are so superior to anything else I've ever used, that I've stopped using a regular camera entirely.
And from what everyone says, the GNex camera is pretty bad. So yeah, better software is nice, but hardware is hugely important, too. The camera and keyboard are what's keeping me with the Slide. Plus, CM9 is pretty sweet.
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Great answer!
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It's a shame, but think of it as a niche market...
Think of the low number of T-Mobile USA subscribers vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of smart people that buy hard keyboard phones vs. everyone else.
Think of the low number of people that actually know what 1080p and focal length mean vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people looking for a new phone vs everyone else.
Think of the low number of people not getting sucked in by marketing from Samsung, Apple vs everyone else.
Relatively speaking; no one bought this phone.
It's a shame. Because smart people did.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
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I never thought of it that way. Thanks.

When I think about it, the deal breaker is the camera. The hardware, the app itself and the full video resolution.
When I had the G2, it had a stock android camera app. I didn't miss what I never had. When I got to the slide, I miss the stock camera app. Sense? I could care less about it. I use ADW_EX so my phones and tablet work the same.
I'm just looking for my next great phone.
Thanks for the answers.

I still run a tweaked/optimized stock-based ROM simply because this MT4GS is my ONLY phone. I don't have a landline or other cell, I depend on this phone to always work. I depend on every function of the phone to work reliably (Bluetooth, wifi, wifi calling, camera, GPS, etc.) and not have to deal with "oh, you have to do this this this to get that to work", or "you have to reboot, then hold it upside down, then sacrifice a virgin chicken, then that will work OK until you breath 4 times, then you have to do all that again". It might be fun and exciting to deal with that sort of thing when you're not dependent upon the phone, but I can't risk that.
I'm sad that there isn't an official ICS for this phone. And while the current CM9 alphas are amazing for what they accomplish, and the hard work put into them by the devs is evident and appreciated, I still can't risk using it (or MIUI or others) for the simple reason that they just don't yet provide stock-ROM reliability. That is no slight to the devs, just a fact of life.