http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-ne...of-the-android-update-process/664?tag=nl.e550
I completely agree. Manufacturers can provide the hardware drivers and Android has them built-in to the OS. That way, EVERYONE (as long as the hardware is compatible) gets the latest version of Android on release day. You know, like Microsoft Windows?
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-ne...of-the-android-update-process/664?tag=nl.e550
I completely agree. Manufacturers can provide the hardware drivers and Android has them built-in to the OS. That way, EVERYONE (as long as the hardware is compatible) gets the latest version of Android on release day. You know, like Microsoft Windows?
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I totally agree with this but as long as each carrier insists on adding their own bloatware this will never happen.
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I totally agree with this but as long as each carrier insists on adding their own bloatware this will never happen.
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They can put the bloatware on all they want and every release of Android can be nice and clean (AOSP). Like how HP and Sony laptops have bloatware to begin with, but you can install a clean version of Windows on top of that.
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They can put the bloatware on all they want and every release of Android can be nice and clean (AOSP). Like how HP and Sony laptops have bloatware to begin with, but you can install a clean version of Windows on top of that.
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Could work but here is where you will run into trouble. Once you load an AOSP rom onto the phone AT&T or carrier of choice will not have to support it. Could you imagine getting bounced between Samsung and Google to get support. Dont get me wrong, I would love to see this myself but I just dont see it happening unless A. Google offers support for every device running android, Not to likely, B. Carriers agree to support non branded software, even less likely.
Ya not going to happen sorry. Each company would have to have the source code to make the phones compatible then the service providers would have to have that info. Then it would all have to be sent back to google. So it is essentially adding another later of delays
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The service carriers owning so much control over the OS and devices kind of reminds me of the days when you'd purchase internet service via AOL. You had to install all their crap just to get to the internet...and you lived within their little AOL content-land...
Eventually, perhaps, cell service providers could become more like ISP's today. You pay more for the internet access and less for all the useless desktop icons and name branded chat rooms LOL.
It would take a shift in the industry, and it's not a shift the carriers would benefit from, IMO, so don't hold your breath.
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The service carriers owning so much control over the OS and devices kind of reminds me of the days when you'd purchase internet service via AOL. You had to install all their crap just to get to the internet...and you lived within their little AOL content-land...
Eventually, perhaps, cell service providers could become more like ISP's today. You pay more for the internet access and less for all the useless desktop icons and name branded chat rooms LOL.
It would take a shift in the industry, and it's not a shift the carriers would benefit from, IMO, so don't hold your breath.
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I completely agree with that hopefully that is the future but it seems so unlikely. Most people honestly don't care that all that extra junk is added
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Yeah, if Apple can do it, why can't Google?
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
I still think Apple is going to have updates for the masses at one time - and they do it as promised..
Yes Google has more devices, but just like apple, the new software is available for previous versions, just that ur specific device may not be able to support it.
Wishful thinking?
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Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
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born_fisherman said:
Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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If someone has answered this I apologize but...
NOO the iphones are completely locked down as almost all of their products are (I bought a mac pro for school and will never waste my money again). Apple is the only people who can provide updates. Like every apple product only their hardware will work. Exactly the opposite of both pcs and androids where tons of hardware will work with the os
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Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
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I agree Google has a lot bigger challenge due to so many hardware configs. Apple has control of all the hardware in their phones where as Google doesn't.
Ebvad said:
I agree Google has a lot bigger challenge due to so many hardware configs. Apple has control of all the hardware in their phones where as Google doesn't.
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I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
morfy50 said:
I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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They need to make those phones available on more carriers.
If you don't know the history, you are deemed to repeat it. Unfortunately, Google learnt nothing from the past desasters of mobile OS update, a.k.a. Windows Mobile. Android today is in the exact same mess as WM in the past with the exception of more frequent OS updates than MS ever did. If Google can't forsee this type of release model aren't going to cut it, Android will follow WM to the grave.
Phone manufacturers are primary hardware makers. You can't trust them to produce quality softwares. That's why there are separate software companies out there.
Even Microsoft now knows it has to control the OS upgrade all by itself, bypass Phone makers altogether, in WP7.
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Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Google doesn't make the hardware for those phones
emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Nexus One is a complete failure from business stand point of view. Nexus S isn't going too well either.
morfy50 said:
I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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just a thought,
even though samsung manufactures the nexus s, i think even if google manufactured it they would still be using 3rd party components. ie they arent going to make the screen for it, they arent going to make the wireless chip.
they will have to get there parts from somewhere else, so why would they make it in the first place. im sure the way they have it now they have a huge say-so in what goes into the nexus.
so for them its a win-win situation.
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I don't understand how Google, phone manufacturers, and carriers justify not releasing security related updates in a timely manner. We should not have to wait for bloat and custom UI to be added so that we can get updates to make sure our data is safe, especially if there is a known issue.
Would you accept this on your PC or Mac? Then why do we on our phones...
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Tired of reading about android security issues all the time. Hope they managed to fix it once and for all.
This is very sad. I hope Google ever release a patch in an accessible form.
Google patched up the latest issue in less than a day from when it was reported. Know any other companies that efficient?
If you think you can be the first programmer to release perfectly secure software, then go ahead. You'll be a very rich man.
That was a day after they were called out. Who knows how long they actual knew of issue, it doesn't make world news at the first instance of someone finding that hole.
Hackers will always find holes just saying they need to be able to plug them efficiently. You can't say that they can right now because of the mfg and carriers grip on update releases. Google has no way to bypass that if they can't fix the problem on their end.
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I don't fault Google nearly as much as the phone manufacturers and carriers, evidence by Nexus line of phones and their updates, but Google bought into this distribution structure and it wont change with out them forcing some changes.
Maybe they force each carrier to offer a Nexus line of phone for those of us that want security and patches as they become available.
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They fixed it on there end tho from my understanding
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This is all just a bunch of media frenzied crap...
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Wow...amazing
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If it was just up to Google we would have the update, the carriers are at fault here.
Its the carriers that take forever and a day to release the updates for their customers.
Call them and complain see what they tell you, they will give you a look similar to a deer caught in the headlights stare over the phone or put you on hold so you can talk to someone who has about as much knowledge about my SGS as my 3yo does.
Edit: YES AT&T I am talking about you !
It'd be nice if Google just sold Android phones themselves with the same price as the carrier would sell them for on or off contract.
Google for a carrier.
That is what Nexus line was suppose to be but isn't very successful when your main carrier in US is one of the smaller ones and isn't even an option due to lack of coverage for a number of potential customers
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00negative said:
That is what Nexus line was suppose to be but isn't very successful when your main carrier in US is one of the smaller ones and isn't even an option due to lack of coverage for a number of potential customers
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There were 2 Nexus versions: one for T-Mobile bands and one for AT&T bands!
well thanks of your nice post
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There were 2 Nexus versions: one for T-Mobile bands and one for AT&T bands!
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Google was suppose to sell them via there own online store. And the first one only had TMobile bands, I believe, where are the CDMA phones?
Besides go ask iPhone users about that stellar ATT coverage.
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It's right there engraved on the back.
So, should I be holding Google partially responsible for ripping me off when I purchased this phone? That back cover logo, and the fact that it denotes a "pure Android experience" is one of the bigger reasons I chose this phone.
Obviously LG is most culpable for the poorly written software, and it was T-Mobile who actually took my money, but what is Google's responsibility in this mess? Are there any checks or qualifications that need to be met before the Google logo can be applied? If there are qualifications, did LG meet them in this case?
Am I going to experience this with my next Android purchase, or can I trust that "with Google™" logo?
Just thinking out loud...
I like where you're going with this.
From what I can tell the "With Google" designation means pretty much nothing.
See here:
http://www.google.com/phone/
And here:
http://www.androidguys.com/2010/09/30/google-phone-gallery-launches/
I agree....although if it's supposed to be a "pure android" experience then losing the Lg Camera app brings us closer to that gesture (I don't need pure and I loved the Lg camera app). I also wonder if the Lg camera app utilizes any Nvidia drivers. If so, maybe Nvidia should claim a piece of the blame pie too. I imagine their deal with LG to get their tegra chipset in the phone included supporting the software and harness the dual-core processor.
I also wonder about the definition of Gingerbread. Is a skin over top the old code all that's necessary?
The inclusion of Nvidia in this inquiry is also valid point. I don't think anyone should be let off the hook.
ETA: We need a smart phone buyers/owners bill of rights
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I also wonder about the definition of Gingerbread. Is a skin over top the old code all that's necessary?
The inclusion of Nvidia in this inquiry is also valid point. I don't think anyone should be let off the hook.
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Wat. Gingerbread is far more than just a 'skin over top the old code'. Just sayin'
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Wat. Gingerbread is far more than just a 'skin over top the old code'. Just sayin'
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It should be, but "Gingerbread" on the G2x is running the same kernel as Froyo.
Again, just thinking out loud...
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"Gingerbread" on the G2x is running the same kernel as Froyo.
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And? The kernel stays the same, yes, but that definitely does not mean that the Gingerbread update is 'just a skin'. There are a ton of underlying changes to the actual Android framework that are completely independent of the kernel.
If you're really wondering whats different check here:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html#DeveloperApis
I agree LG's build is lame, but don't see how anyone but LG/T-mobile are to blame for that.
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And? The kernel stays the same, yes, but that definitely does not mean that the Gingerbread update is 'just a skin'. There are a ton of underlying changes to the actual Android framework that are completely independent of the kernel.
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I never said it was "just a skin", not sure why that is in quotes. I'm just wondering if there is a standard that must be met, and if so has LG met that standard here.
The GB on my G2X does not seem to be as feature complete as the GB on my N1. At what point does it become Google sanctioned Android 2.3.3?
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I agree LG's build is lame, but don't see how anyone but LG/T-mobile are to blame for that.
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I do, and I'd like to use it as leverage to get a more satisfactory response from LG/T-Mobile
So you would whine to Toyota because your Lotus is unreliable?
Nvidia just supplied the SOC, to blame them for the crappy software another company wrote for it is ridiculous.
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So you would whine to Toyota because your Lotus is unreliable?
Nvidia just supplied the SOC, to blame them for the crappy software another company wrote for it is ridiculous.
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I don't know if the word whine would properly describe my actions, but, If I suspected my Lotus were unreliable because of a Toyota component then I would take exception at some point.
How is Nvidia's rep with open source drivers?
I'm still more focused on Google pressing or helping LG to get this right.
Ill be honest im rooted and been on cm7 awhile (so nothing to complain about to begin with) and went to ota today just for the hell of it and flashed green icons and installed all my **** and believe it or not this thing aint bad at all... blazin fast... honest feels faster than cm and faux ****... gps is instant... now if you aint rooted i dnt know what to tell you... but im gonna give it a run and hope we get some themes for it... i missed a2dp and this thing reallly is impressin me... a
Google holds no blame here. Android is open source, leaving manufacturers to mess it up all they want. "With Google" doesn't mean much, my understanding is that means the phone was developed with input/approval from them.
To a previous poster, a phone has Gingerbread when it is built on the Android 2.3 base. Manufacturers can strip and change it all they want, but if it's 2.3, it's gingerbread.
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Google should hold their manufacturers more accountable to release updates in a timely manner. Rumor is they will.
Ultimately, it is LG's fault. T-Mobile is just an accomplice to the situation. T-Mobile doesn't develop software, LG does that. T-Mobile is responsible for our happiness in this situation and can directly rectify any issues (money back, new phone, etc).
The only negative implications Google can receive is eventually a bad name. I do believe they will soon be forcing manufacturers to release updates more efficiently than they have. Otherwise, it will start hurting them.
But to blame Google would be silly. They release new software, the manufacturers tinker with it for their needs. Our sister phone, the G2, has nowhere near the problems we have. Why? Because HTC does a better job with their developing. Plain and simple.
Blaming Google in this situation would be like blaming Bosch instead of Volkswagen because your car is running horribly.
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Have you looked into the apple iphone? My wife has one, its a pretty solid device with not many problems.
dvan13578 said:
Have you looked into the apple iphone? My wife has one, its a pretty solid device with not many problems.
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There are solid Android devices too. Perfect? No. Solid? Yes. The reason iPhones don't have as many s/w issues is the OS is locked down like Fort Knox. That's what MS is trying to emulate with WP7. Personally, I'd take a bit of s/w wonkiness in order to be able to customize my phone the way I want to.
Seanathan said:
But to blame Google would be silly. They release new software, the manufacturers tinker with it for their needs. Our sister phone, the G2, has nowhere near the problems we have. Why? Because HTC does a better job with their developing. Plain and simple.
Blaming Google in this situation would be like blaming Bosch instead of Volkswagen because your car is running horribly.
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Agreed, it's the end implementation that matters, and in this case that product came from LG/Tmobile. Nvidia and Google both delivered components that have been proven in many devices yet this one is uniquely full of issues.
LG/Tmobile are the ones to get pissed at for whatever issues you have with your G2x.
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Blaming Google in this situation would be like blaming Bosch instead of Volkswagen because your car is running horribly.
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The Bosch / VW analogy doesn't really work here. If the Bosch logo were prominently displayed on the car's exterior, and the Bosch components were fundamentally responsible for the car's basic configuration and capabilities then maybe you would have a point.
I'm not blaming Google so much as I am taking them to task for allowing their logo to be displayed on a poorly executed product. Make no mistake, the appearance of that logo greatly influenced my decision to purchase this defective product. The other point that should not be misunderstood by anyone involved is that this does in fact influence future purchasing decisions and brand loyalties in a negative way from Google's perspective.
So, to recap, here are two simple facts...
1. The LG G2x is a troubled product, with a higher than average for the industry percentage of unhappy owners.
2. Google's name is on it.
Edit: I'll put it another way... I can't blame Google for LG's incompetence, but I can at least partially blame Google for duping me into buying this defective phone.
Interesting news. No more google/samsung phones in the future for sure!
http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=2b2efef4-8dff-4030-bc41-c3db68848fa4>1=33009
Google would be foolish to cut off the other oem's from Android. But stranger things have happened.
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I meant no google branded phones like the nexus. It will be interesting how this will shake out.
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I meant no google branded phones like the nexus.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-wont-have-exclusive-nexus-devices-andy-rubin-says
Andy Rubin says hi
Not only does this give them access to 17,000 current patents and hopefully another 7500 pending patents but it also gives them access to Motorola's set top cable box market which could mean an explosion in Google TV use if they finally work out all the issues with it.
They might fix up the crap that is motoblur and make it so awesome it is renamed Google buzz or something lol
Think about this, now it will just be up to carriers alone to push out the android updates to moto phones if Google doesn't preasure them any more than they currently are. This seems to be a good thing for android in my eyes.
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Not only does this give them access to 17,000 current patents and hopefully another 7500 pending patents but it also gives them access to Motorola's set top cable box market which could mean an explosion in Google TV use if they finally work out all the issues with it.
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The patents are the reason.....
I don't see much changing regarding Motorola's future.... They will still make the same phones they do now except with unlocked bootloaders from now on...
El Goog will have a portfolio of patents that will keep their competitors at bay for a long while....
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Hopefully we can get some high end vanilla Android handsets...
Only having two (and nothing modern) is not acceptable.
Android is in the current fragmented mess because there's not enough Nexus phones. There should be at least 1 per year on every carrier.
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Consumer are on the loosing end ;(
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
Android users unite, demand upgrades
The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.
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The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.
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Yeah this is true, I'd definitely have to agree. Don't get me wrong, I love Android, but there are some things I wish they would fix. Like the caller waiting feature, it should be updated to be more user friendly. Why should you have to hang up and wait for the automatic call back? They need to rebuild that part of the ui where you can.
Very interesting article. Very true also. It is a sad and troubling issue unfortunately for us. Software support and updates seem to be getting worse and worse for us Android users.
Good thing i got my nexus handset...kind of helps as at least i know google will keep rolling out the updates for at least 18 to 24 months.
The problem is with the big phone manufactures...they skin android too deep and take too long to clear up their mess in order to update the builds. Also they just want us to buy new phones every few months it seems. I intend to see my nexus s contract through to the remaining 12 months for sure. Ice Cream Sandwich looks delicious by the way!
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All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.
Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it
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Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it
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If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data
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If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data
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Yeah well when we were going to get the phone it was a cheap slider dumb phone and we walked out with one of those and with froyo it brought speed increments which help on the phone and i mean my moms not the kind who even uses data just games and such
Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.
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Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.
ICS is too late for it, but I hope J(ellybean) functions more like a launcher and its theme. Just mass update the background OS for all phones (whether through OTA or through website), and let manufacturer/telcom update their skin independently, so that consumers don't have to wait for the (unreliable) promise from manufacturer/telcom.
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.
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Are we guaranteed by policy that the phones need to be updated? If anyone can check the sales agreement, is it mentioned anything about the future software update?
I have not checked, but I think there is no such obligation from manufacturer. So, in essence they are not breaking the law. We buy a phone on what it has presently, not speculating about future enhancements.
It would be great to have manufacturers give more attention to this update issue. But I doubt anyone could hold them accountable.
It's also obvious that if any of these get updated, it would be only the premier ones, not the budget models.
zeekiz said:
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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You just can handle the truth jerk butt
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You just can handle the truth jerk butt
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Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).
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Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).
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You got me wrong, it is just this fact hurt your ego about the stat of updates and you see it and still don't believe it, you are the android fanboy and for that makes you blind, and your intelligence, stay stagnant like a swamp.
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You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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this is the attitude of a fanboy. "Oh, you don't like my OS? You must be a wp7/iOS fanboy."
Gotta say, I'm a fanboy for no OS and have them all but as far as hardware goes, I'm slowly becoming a Nokia fanboy
Lol z33 you really are funny. And quite the fibber.
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spirikitik said:
All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.
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So do you have iOS5 installed on your iphone, iphone 3G?
Which app is exclusive to gingerbread?
I think you should go back to iphone. It looks like you've made up your mind.
As for updates, US carrier versions tend to be slower and no surprises there with all the bloatware and restrictions they have to build into the firmware
Also there are ton of posts on xda where users with 2.3.3/2.3.4 devices complain about not receiving 2.3.5 updates and same goes for 3.0/3.1 users not receiving 3.2 update without knowing what that new revision brings to the table
As corps begin to adopt smartphones, the first thing a CIO will ask, "What's the Product Life Cycle?"
3GS gets iOS5 but the Nexus One won't get ICS!? Lowe's just ordered 42,000 iPhones, I would have too. Pull your head out Google!!! It's not just the kids who want updates but the grown ups too!
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Interesting article, in my opinion I think it's true.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp
Wow, that's an excellent article, and it seems to be very true.
Haha I sensed the sarcasm! Ofcourse it's true, what I meant was I should have known this about the vendors and their "promises".
I think that the updates are currently the most problematic thing in Android eco-system. Carriers just don't give a sh*** - have an old phone, come to us and buy one, have a long contract, well that's too bad. I just wish smartphone vendors would release all the drivers for their devices and let the community handle all the updates.
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I think that the updates are currently the most problematic thing in Android eco-system. Carriers just don't give a sh*** - have an old phone, come to us and buy one, have a long contract, well that's too bad. I just wish smartphone vendors would release all the drivers for their devices and let the community handle all the updates.
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Well it is not just the phone manufacturer as they would need to get the OK from others as well. They don't use their own hardware for things like radio, bt, screen ect.
Does this really surprise anyone? The carriers and the manufacturers both make money from abandoning old phones and selling new ones. The only way that Android is going to have a consistant upgrade schedule is if someone who doesn't profit (Google?) makes the ground rules. If the manufacturers want to licence it then they need to follow the rules. If they use the AOSP code then they have to release code under its terms.
people need to call out google and push them to be competent
I'm at the point where I'm just completely Nexus, I dont even want to get near another OEM and their bloat, custom frameworks, etc... Go the way of the Nexus. Its a great thing to do.
jim93 said:
people need to call out google and push them to be competent
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And do what? They have no control over it once they sign the contract and if they don't carriers don't carry the phone. Then it goes the way of the Nexus 1.
Oh come on, things are way better now than ever. Have you seen the near endless list of devices getting ICS?
I still remember when phones never even got an update in their lifetime.
But you can always buy smart and get the updates from the hard core XDA developers who never seem to fail to deliver.
Lars
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wire103 said:
Oh come on, things are way better now than ever. Have you seen the near endless list of devices getting ICS?
I still remember when phones never even got an update in their lifetime.
But you can always buy smart and get the updates from the hard core XDA developers who never seem to fail to deliver.
Lars
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Just because the OEM says it will be releasing it at least in the US it is still the carriers call. Take a look at the inspire. HTC released a new buld for the device but ATT refuses to release one for the inspire
Nexus phones seem to be the way to go.
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zelendel said:
Just because the OEM says it will be releasing it at least in the US it is still the carriers call. Take a look at the inspire. HTC released a new buld for the device but ATT refuses to release one for the inspire
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Can't Americans download open versions like europe?
Dave
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mistermentality said:
Can't Americans download open versions like europe?
Dave
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No the The US versions have some minor diffs that the Euro versions do not. We dont get updates from the OEMs. Carriers control it all. ITs either carrier or custom rom ported for our devices
My phone never got Froyo over the air. It didn't even get a 2.2.1 update. As for GB we had to port it from the i9000 (i have a vibrant).Same with ICS. It really sucks, because batterylife is not as great as it could be. Android will probably never be released to all devices at once and my understanding is that the "GOOGLE" line of phones gets full support for atleast 2 years.
As for now, who wants upgrades should buy Google Nexus phones (not Motorola).
I take my hat off to Sony, they are excellent (but not perfect because of Xperia Play).