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According to an Samsung insider( of whom shall be annonymous), it seems like Samsung is scheduled to release their Froyo + GPS update to At&t at the end of September.
The question is, will At&T release this update on their OTA on the same month?
Manufacturer may have the solution fixed, but if the carrier doesnt release it to the public, what is the point no?
Here is the direct quote from this insider:
"Froyo plus GPS update will be available at the end of September. Now let's just pray that A&T releases it at the same time."
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We all hope this will be the case.
Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Hard to say, I'd expect to have to re-root though and also to have to use a modified update.zip to root, if not a new method all together.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
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It is likely you will have to root the device again.
Well Samsung said on their @samsungtweets account that the GPS fix was indeed coming at end of September. It didnt say anything about Froyo though.
"We're testing software to optimize GPS on US Galaxy S. Expected updates avail. in Sept. Details & download to follow."
I have little doubt that ATT is interested in taking care of Captivate. Given the spectacular growth in Android phone sales which overtook iPhone sales in Q2, AT&T must be very concerned and they should develop a new Android strategy.
Archpope said:
Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Or you can wait for a custom ROM to be put out based on the release source. Only problem is that it may take a while.
lilo777 said:
I have little doubt that ATT is interested in taking care of Captivate. Given the spectacular growth in Android phone sales which overtook iPhone sales in Q2, AT&T must be very concerned and they should develop a new Android strategy.
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If they were smart they would hop on android bandwagon. If all the reports are true and they are losing iphone exclusivity soon, and they are slow to support android they are going to be in a heap of trouble. Crackberries alone cant and wont save them
Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I think around time of release date of captivate there were an commercial was more of an samsung commercial then att.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7SjPL59BU
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I have seen a Captivate commercial numerous times. Its similar to the Vibrant commercial.
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I have seen a Captivate commercial numerous times. Its similar to the Vibrant commercial.
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the thing i remember most is the hairy hand that guy had in the commercial lol
When the update from ATT arrives, can I decide to install it or not? Will it be forced to my phone?
Sure I want froyo, but if it is going to bring other limitations impossed by ATT, I'd pass and continue waiting.
lol when i saw the vibrant commercial i thought it was a captivate commercial untill the end when i started paying attention and noticed the differences
Is this a Captivate only thing? Because I would imagine T-mobile would want it first more than AT&T, since they don't have an iPhone and the Vibrant is basically their topmost phone right now.
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I went and saw inception today, as I pulled my phone out to turn it off, the captivate commercial came on. It was great, got my iPhone using friends attention, and he couldn't wait to play with it.
at&t won't make a big push for ANYTHING while they retain iPhone exclusivity. Losing it will be the best thing that could happen to at&t customers. Finally get some support and love for other, equaly capable, (superior?) devices.
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at&t won't make a big push for ANYTHING while they retain iPhone exclusivity. Losing it will be the best thing that could happen to at&t customers. Finally get some support and love for other, equaly capable, (superior?) devices.
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AT&T knows that the iPhone users are loyal to the phone and not the company. Their new Android strategy might as well be labeled their "exit strategy" from the iPhone to retain customers when they lose exclusivity.
If the rumors are true, Verizon will have it's single largest porting day in January and AT&T better prepare for it. Having devices like the Captivate sure help but they need to be on the phone with HTC daily demanding an EVOish device from them as well.
The Captivate won't get the number of customers the iPhone did but if they launched an ad campaign for a large and diverse Android portfolio headlined by the Captivate, a high end Moto, and HTC with the X10, Aria, and other devices below it they could surprisingly become the company for Android.
The iUsers will still get the iPhone, a small percentage will defect like I did, but they will have a steady stream of devices that vastly surpass the iPhone and will not be as affected as they could be.
For some reason the Streak slipped my mind. Add that to the high-end devices.
well thats samsungs release date but we all know att plus yeah i think i might just switch over to verizon i was doing some comparison and their plans are way cheaper for me
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I completely agree. Manufacturers can provide the hardware drivers and Android has them built-in to the OS. That way, EVERYONE (as long as the hardware is compatible) gets the latest version of Android on release day. You know, like Microsoft Windows?
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I completely agree. Manufacturers can provide the hardware drivers and Android has them built-in to the OS. That way, EVERYONE (as long as the hardware is compatible) gets the latest version of Android on release day. You know, like Microsoft Windows?
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I totally agree with this but as long as each carrier insists on adding their own bloatware this will never happen.
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I totally agree with this but as long as each carrier insists on adding their own bloatware this will never happen.
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They can put the bloatware on all they want and every release of Android can be nice and clean (AOSP). Like how HP and Sony laptops have bloatware to begin with, but you can install a clean version of Windows on top of that.
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They can put the bloatware on all they want and every release of Android can be nice and clean (AOSP). Like how HP and Sony laptops have bloatware to begin with, but you can install a clean version of Windows on top of that.
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Could work but here is where you will run into trouble. Once you load an AOSP rom onto the phone AT&T or carrier of choice will not have to support it. Could you imagine getting bounced between Samsung and Google to get support. Dont get me wrong, I would love to see this myself but I just dont see it happening unless A. Google offers support for every device running android, Not to likely, B. Carriers agree to support non branded software, even less likely.
Ya not going to happen sorry. Each company would have to have the source code to make the phones compatible then the service providers would have to have that info. Then it would all have to be sent back to google. So it is essentially adding another later of delays
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The service carriers owning so much control over the OS and devices kind of reminds me of the days when you'd purchase internet service via AOL. You had to install all their crap just to get to the internet...and you lived within their little AOL content-land...
Eventually, perhaps, cell service providers could become more like ISP's today. You pay more for the internet access and less for all the useless desktop icons and name branded chat rooms LOL.
It would take a shift in the industry, and it's not a shift the carriers would benefit from, IMO, so don't hold your breath.
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The service carriers owning so much control over the OS and devices kind of reminds me of the days when you'd purchase internet service via AOL. You had to install all their crap just to get to the internet...and you lived within their little AOL content-land...
Eventually, perhaps, cell service providers could become more like ISP's today. You pay more for the internet access and less for all the useless desktop icons and name branded chat rooms LOL.
It would take a shift in the industry, and it's not a shift the carriers would benefit from, IMO, so don't hold your breath.
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I completely agree with that hopefully that is the future but it seems so unlikely. Most people honestly don't care that all that extra junk is added
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Yeah, if Apple can do it, why can't Google?
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
I still think Apple is going to have updates for the masses at one time - and they do it as promised..
Yes Google has more devices, but just like apple, the new software is available for previous versions, just that ur specific device may not be able to support it.
Wishful thinking?
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Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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If someone has answered this I apologize but...
NOO the iphones are completely locked down as almost all of their products are (I bought a mac pro for school and will never waste my money again). Apple is the only people who can provide updates. Like every apple product only their hardware will work. Exactly the opposite of both pcs and androids where tons of hardware will work with the os
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Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
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I agree Google has a lot bigger challenge due to so many hardware configs. Apple has control of all the hardware in their phones where as Google doesn't.
Ebvad said:
I agree Google has a lot bigger challenge due to so many hardware configs. Apple has control of all the hardware in their phones where as Google doesn't.
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I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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They need to make those phones available on more carriers.
If you don't know the history, you are deemed to repeat it. Unfortunately, Google learnt nothing from the past desasters of mobile OS update, a.k.a. Windows Mobile. Android today is in the exact same mess as WM in the past with the exception of more frequent OS updates than MS ever did. If Google can't forsee this type of release model aren't going to cut it, Android will follow WM to the grave.
Phone manufacturers are primary hardware makers. You can't trust them to produce quality softwares. That's why there are separate software companies out there.
Even Microsoft now knows it has to control the OS upgrade all by itself, bypass Phone makers altogether, in WP7.
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Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Google doesn't make the hardware for those phones
emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Nexus One is a complete failure from business stand point of view. Nexus S isn't going too well either.
morfy50 said:
I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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just a thought,
even though samsung manufactures the nexus s, i think even if google manufactured it they would still be using 3rd party components. ie they arent going to make the screen for it, they arent going to make the wireless chip.
they will have to get there parts from somewhere else, so why would they make it in the first place. im sure the way they have it now they have a huge say-so in what goes into the nexus.
so for them its a win-win situation.
I am genuinely pissed after they postponed the ICS event because I felt like that would be the infuses' time to get current with its OS. Maybe I'm venting my frustration a bit but 500K+ devices are turned on per day(at least for the next few months). I see that version pie chart and Froyo is still number 1 despite GB releasing roughly 10 months ago(not to mention a new version is weeks from releasing) . It's exactly why I come here.
I would also like to point out that the Fragmentation also causes what I like to call a popularity contest. Yes you have a crap ton of device options but guess what the carriers and manufacturer are making sure the cash cows are first in line. Do you think they have as many engineers/developers working with the ChaCha as they do on sgs2? Hell no
Why is Google shooting themselves in the foot in staying current? Why on earth haven't they sat down with the phone manufacturers and hammered out some sort of standard to speed up adoption of new OS?
Android has a wide array of devices and that makes them unique and better than the competition by offering choice.
I understand that the burden of keeping up to speed primarily falls to the manufacturer/carriers which blows for us. The maker/google contract states the carrier only has update the device for 18 months. The definition and or frequency of an update is obscure at best.
I don't even want to guess how much money is being wasted on development overlapping costs because of the hodgepodge of devices. I tried to find out exactly how many hardware devices are currently supported. I found a list of everything but no summary I didn't feel like counting the but a good estimate is 350 + worldwide.
I understand the development life cycle as well as a hardware life-cycle. I fail to understand why integration of an update takes longer than one quarter to apply.
Google develops tests and releases system updates. The manufacturers takes that update and tests it with their bull**** on top (IE touch wiz and sense) then they test on devices.
Carriers finally now test the update, certify it, and push to users(never pushed at one time because they would never risk any downtime or damage to their network).
Wtf google step your game up and reduce the impact of Fragmentation because its only going to get worse and worse.
I'm the kind of device user that makes a well informed decision and won't get a new device until it breaks or I lose it(wow thinking about it I really am horrible with phones).
I have had this phone since it came out in April and I love it (I left it in a cab during the first 2 weeks I had it but was able to get my replacement soon after). Basically I'm a day one Adopter I had my original rooted and rom'd. It drastically improved the general usability of the phone. I decided to wait to mod the phone until I got the official gb to see what it could bring to the table. I really like the one click update with no issues but my hand has been forced. My device has been becoming noticeably slower and i find myself pulling the battery at least once every 2 days. To use it as a phone like it was intended I need to port to a mod. The
Thank you developers for implementing what the billion dollar corporations could not in literally 1/10 of the time.
Sorry if I ranted I'm pissed and there's no way I'm going down to wallstreet lol I'm lazy.
Jason
Note: I also read that it could reach nearly 1 million devices a day by the end of Oct/Nov.
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Trust me I understand your frustration! According to google ICS was supposed to be that game changing release but honestly marketing is what is stopping companies from unifying. A majority of people who get an Android device don't know what the hell to do with it, how it works, or in the most part don't care (or at least don't seem to understand the difference between froyo and GB) they just want a functioning
phone. Then comes ios, that's why it's so popular.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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I do venture to say that android developers are hurting as well with having to unnecessarily cater to multiple versions of the same OS. I was under the impression that ICS was that as well and will be a step in that direction. Once again how long will that take to push out to consumers? Are we supposed to wait until then? Google just needs to grow some balls and steer the proverbial green bull by the horns before the amount of devices becomes the reason we dont run with the bulls anymore.
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Quite frankly your frustration (and mine) is backed by the dev community; to atleast some extent. Although, I still believe google saw the bright green money tree right above their noses and since then, can not let go of the smell! In other words, there wont' be a solution in the near future.
Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
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Android has become more like Linux in terms of fragmentation!
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I couldn't name to you all the releases that are out there
Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Yes I love my Infuse but Fragmentation really move my temper gauge over the top. Still loving the infuse 4g screen, but the apps almost all force close error, and my facebook app sometime does not notify me on the notifiction bar and so is textfree app, i am really getting frustrated even yahoo a very big company the video call is a mess, i am in the edge of going back to iPhone which is not my choice, but google make this on OS, stop fragmentation.
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Are you running a custom rom, kernel, radio, are you OC/UV?
Any and all of these things can and will give you instability. I had a cm7 theme that kept crashing the system on my backflip.
The only way to do away with MOST not all issues is to live in "the box".
Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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Lol. By the ICS is out on a couple phones he would've switched to a different phone.
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Android fragmentation is a big problem.
You're kidding yourself if you think the Infuse will ever get an update to ICS.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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I want my freakin Gingerbread! Stupid fragmentation! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Really missing my old HTC phones right now. Hell, one official rom could be easily ported over to like six others with those phones. Samsung has fantastic hardware but HTC dev support is superior.
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Completely agreed. Phone's that will never officially have things like Sense 3.5 have it, and the same with firmwares. I do love my Samsung though.
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There comes devs who may port it (hopefully). Ics is supposed to get rid of the fragmentation, and maybegoogle has something up there sleeve to combine all phones and most get ics who knows. Google and Sammy have just hired cynagen (sorry bad speling) and other major devs. They may just help figure out this problem, where they are actually smart and put this into consideration.
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Problem is that every phone has vendor-proprietary bits to handle specific hardware support that aren't portable. The Apache license of the Android userland stack makes this possible. Also the ability to have proprietary modules loaded by the kernel doesn't help - for example the FSR and RFS drivers in the Infuse. The same reason you'll likely never see ICS for the Infuse is the same reason you didn't see CM7 until Rogers Gingerbread dropped. (It existed, but it was in a barely usable state until the vendor-proprietary stuff from Rogers GB could get pulled in.)
The good news is that I think Google is forcing vendors to "play nicer" as far as the low-level vendor-proprietary code in order to make AOSP bringups easier. They enforced a LOT of standardization with Honeycomb - the question is can they keep that going with ICS without witholding source like with HC? I think that by exercising tighter control over Google Apps licensing they can.
The Galaxy S II is a hint of things to come - while it still has vendor-proprietary libraries in the userland stack, it has zero closed-source components in the kernel, unlike previous Samsungs.
Motivation and $.
my opinion only...but, phone carriers have no motivation* to update the o.s. of phones already sold.
Just a few random thoughts...
1. Limited $ to be made from you (the customer waiting for an upgrade)
....a. sale of the device is already made.
....b. buyer is already locked into a long-term contract.
2. they are a phone company not a software company...thus any software developers they might have are probably focused on future sales and testing.
3. they don't make money releasing updates to already sold phones.
4. support staff would have to be pretty good size.
I wonder if the phone providers keep software upgrade staff or do they contract that out??? say to the phone manufacture (i.e. samsung, htc)? I have no idea.
(I am assuming it's the phone carriers who are the primary cause of delays in releasing software updates...not necessarily the
* what's more important to them? Future repeat customers due to good service OR simply getting them locked into longterm service contracts? Obviously point 2.
I wish fragmentation was decreased to that of the IBM compatibe market. (Am I the only one that still calls them that?)
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Interesting point I would have to say they contract the work out to upgrade versions. If they haven't already I wouldn't be surprised to see full teams being hired as android becomes more permanent.
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Great post
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The debate continues on TechCrunch:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/27/charted-android-fragmentation/
Interesting article, in my opinion I think it's true.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp
Wow, that's an excellent article, and it seems to be very true.
Haha I sensed the sarcasm! Ofcourse it's true, what I meant was I should have known this about the vendors and their "promises".
I think that the updates are currently the most problematic thing in Android eco-system. Carriers just don't give a sh*** - have an old phone, come to us and buy one, have a long contract, well that's too bad. I just wish smartphone vendors would release all the drivers for their devices and let the community handle all the updates.
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I think that the updates are currently the most problematic thing in Android eco-system. Carriers just don't give a sh*** - have an old phone, come to us and buy one, have a long contract, well that's too bad. I just wish smartphone vendors would release all the drivers for their devices and let the community handle all the updates.
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Well it is not just the phone manufacturer as they would need to get the OK from others as well. They don't use their own hardware for things like radio, bt, screen ect.
Does this really surprise anyone? The carriers and the manufacturers both make money from abandoning old phones and selling new ones. The only way that Android is going to have a consistant upgrade schedule is if someone who doesn't profit (Google?) makes the ground rules. If the manufacturers want to licence it then they need to follow the rules. If they use the AOSP code then they have to release code under its terms.
people need to call out google and push them to be competent
I'm at the point where I'm just completely Nexus, I dont even want to get near another OEM and their bloat, custom frameworks, etc... Go the way of the Nexus. Its a great thing to do.
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people need to call out google and push them to be competent
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And do what? They have no control over it once they sign the contract and if they don't carriers don't carry the phone. Then it goes the way of the Nexus 1.
Oh come on, things are way better now than ever. Have you seen the near endless list of devices getting ICS?
I still remember when phones never even got an update in their lifetime.
But you can always buy smart and get the updates from the hard core XDA developers who never seem to fail to deliver.
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Oh come on, things are way better now than ever. Have you seen the near endless list of devices getting ICS?
I still remember when phones never even got an update in their lifetime.
But you can always buy smart and get the updates from the hard core XDA developers who never seem to fail to deliver.
Lars
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Just because the OEM says it will be releasing it at least in the US it is still the carriers call. Take a look at the inspire. HTC released a new buld for the device but ATT refuses to release one for the inspire
Nexus phones seem to be the way to go.
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Just because the OEM says it will be releasing it at least in the US it is still the carriers call. Take a look at the inspire. HTC released a new buld for the device but ATT refuses to release one for the inspire
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Can't Americans download open versions like europe?
Dave
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Can't Americans download open versions like europe?
Dave
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No the The US versions have some minor diffs that the Euro versions do not. We dont get updates from the OEMs. Carriers control it all. ITs either carrier or custom rom ported for our devices
My phone never got Froyo over the air. It didn't even get a 2.2.1 update. As for GB we had to port it from the i9000 (i have a vibrant).Same with ICS. It really sucks, because batterylife is not as great as it could be. Android will probably never be released to all devices at once and my understanding is that the "GOOGLE" line of phones gets full support for atleast 2 years.
As for now, who wants upgrades should buy Google Nexus phones (not Motorola).
I take my hat off to Sony, they are excellent (but not perfect because of Xperia Play).
Well looks like theres a galaxy s 3 with full jelly bean.... no leaks or nothing!!! lol well its not out yet but its the galaxy s 3 mini!!! If you read the last paragraph it says all variants of s 3 will get jelly at the end of this quarter!!! LMAO yeah we shall see!!!!!
http://www.popherald.com/20121023_samsung_galaxy_s3_jelly_bean_update_keyboard_rumor-20246
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Well looks like theres a galaxy s 3 with full jelly bean.... no leaks or nothing!!! lol well its not out yet but its the galaxy s 3 mini!!! If you read the last paragraph it says all variants of s 3 will get jelly at the end of this quarter!!! LMAO yeah we shall see!!!!!
http://www.popherald.com/20121023_samsung_galaxy_s3_jelly_bean_update_keyboard_rumor-20246
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We gotta wait longer for VZW to give it to use officially. Don't get your hopes up.
Definitely thread worthy news.
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Definitely thread worthy news.
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lulz
1 star thread.
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Yeah Verizon sucks no telling when we will see an update
Even a VZW leak would be useful.
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JB won't be coming out officially any time soon.
I'd post a link but not allowed to since I am under 10 posts.
well it is a galaxy s 3 but its a mini.... it is coming with jelly bean on it...go figure a new phone for verizon with jelly and the original s 3 still without it!!
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well it is a galaxy s 3 but its a mini.... it is coming with jelly bean on it...go figure a new phone for verizon with jelly and the original s 3 still without it!!
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Guess you never owned a new RAZR. ICS took forever and JB is a pipe dream. The new RAZR M just got JB so this is nothing new. Their focus is on selling new to market units, not throwing money at upgrading the OS on already sold units.
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Guess you never owned a new RAZR. ICS took forever and JB is a pipe dream. The new RAZR M just got JB so this is nothing new. Their focus is on selling new to market units, not throwing money at upgrading the OS on already sold units.
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Funny thing is the S3 is still Verizon's best phone and well continue to be for now. Putting JB on it will just help sell more units as well as keep current customers happy.
Unfortunately Verizon does not care about keeping customers happy as long as they continue to hit their numbers every quarter.
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Funny thing is the S3 is still Verizon's best phone and well continue to be for now. Putting JB on it will just help sell more units as well as keep current customers happy.
Unfortunately Verizon does not care about keeping customers happy as long as they continue to hit their numbers every quarter.
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Thats because Verizon prefers to push their "Droid" branded phones IMO.
They will eventually have to release a JB update. I'm just hoping source doesn't take too long to drop after it.
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I'm really really really hoping I'm wrong but based on Verizon's history, I'm not holding out hope that we will see JellyBean on our GS3s anytime soon.
Take for example the Galaxy Nexus, by all logic the Verizon version should have gotten JB update at the same time as the GSM version.
However from what I understand(I don't own one) the GSM Nexus got the JB update the last week of June (~27th), while Verizon Nexus owners didn't receive it till Sept 27th, almost 2 months later.
Even if you argue that it takes a little longer to create CDMA/LTE-JB compared to a GSM/LTE-JB that doesn't account for the 2 month time lag. Not when you have access to all of the source code and hardware roadmaps the Samsung does.
In fact, I don't think it has anything to do with Samsung at all. According to what I've recently read, Sprint GS3's are getting JB starting tomorrow.
That means Samsung has already created an acceptable Official CDMA/LTE-JB update that has already been vetted by Sprint that is set to start being pushed out tomorrow with absolutely no evidence of one even existing for Verizon(not even a whiff of a leak or anything)
I don't know why it takes so long, but I do know that it seems like Verizon never gets anything first, in fact they usually get everything last(not counting T-mobile)
At this point I've stopped checking the forum. I'm just hopping that I'll wake up one morning and see an update notification on my phone.
Rumor has it Sprint might be getting OTA JB update starting tomorrow. If that is true, way to go Sprint. That is how updates should roll out.
Guess we will see tomorrow.
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Funny thing is the S3 is still Verizon's best phone and well continue to be for now. Putting JB on it will just help sell more units as well as keep current customers happy.
Unfortunately Verizon does not care about keeping customers happy as long as they continue to hit their numbers every quarter.
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Putting JB on it won't sell more units. Most people don't know the difference and couldn't tell you the difference if they did a side by side comparison.
Google created this monster when it decided to make it open source with little control over how it's utilized. Apple devices cost more to the carrier and the carrier has little to no input on how the phone functions.
Apple made face time open for use over data where before it was wifi only. What did the carriers do, cry and get over it. Apple introduces imessage which circumvents regular texting lowering revenue from text messaging. What do the carriers do? Nada. Had it been android it wouldn't make it to our devices because they have no control over it. They release the OS, manufacturer builds it to the phones specs and then it's sent off to the carrier for bloating and restricting. Verizon is a service provider they have no business diddling around in an operating system.
Verizon as a customer centric business does have a great customer service. They're more responsive than most other carriers. However, they are in the business to make money and they want to maintain control of the very devices that could either make or break them. We phone enthusiasts are just a drop in the bucket to the millions of other customers that don't care what version OS their phone is on.
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Guess you never owned a new RAZR. ICS took forever and JB is a pipe dream. The new RAZR M just got JB so this is nothing new. Their focus is on selling new to market units, not throwing money at upgrading the OS on already sold units.
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This is what draws people to Apple though. They should take a lesson if they want to compete on the long-term.
I'll never, ever, buy another Motorola phone again. They come out with a new phone every other month, and drop support entirely for their existing phones.
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Rumor has it Sprint might be getting OTA JB update starting tomorrow. If that is true, way to go Sprint. That is how updates should roll out.
Guess we will see tomorrow.
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Sprint is pretty good about updates but sometimes they are to quick on the draw. The S2 had some serious issues with one of the updates that would cause it to hard brick.
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This is what draws people to Apple though. They should take a lesson if they want to compete on the long-term.
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Dude you are wrong.
Most people don't know about & don't care about JB. Only the fanatics(ie people on XDA, me included) care one way or the other what version of Android is running on their phone.
This is even more true for IOS users. If OEMs didn't push updates to phones OTA most phones would never get updated. There are plenty of people who have there phones set up pretty much exactly the way it was coming out of the box.
I'd argue that your average Android user is a little bit more savvy about customizing his experience but mostly because there are more options, not necessarily because they are more tech savvy. Overall that average user isn't significantly more advanced than an average IOS user.
You would be surprised how many people purchase phones based on either the salesman's advice or the advice of a friend.
All of the talk of specs, fragmentation, OS updates is purely for the phone geek crowd.
Probably 1% of people are going to make their decision based on update version.
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Rumor has it Sprint might be getting OTA JB update starting tomorrow. If that is true, way to go Sprint. That is how updates should roll out.
Guess we will see tomorrow.
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I would much rather be on Verizons network running ICS as opposed to Sprints with JellyBean...I need service more than timely updates. We will get a update, until then im perfectly content with what development is currently active on this device. we dont need jellybean source to get the ril perfected anyway. all we need is a dev like jt1134 that wrote the mtd filesystem for the fascinate and hacked the ril to near perfection...he also was the main reason cm7 ever made it to the fascinate. That device barely got a gingerbread ota and that didnt happen till way after cm7 was released. point is, support your devs folks! they are the ones that will keep this device up to date after the carriers drop it. I never log on to xda for news on ota updates...things are so much different now than it use to be here and there is alot less dense information in these forums. Now 1 in 3 threads is about ota or root...lol
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I would much rather be on Verizons network running ICS as opposed to Sprints with JellyBean...I need service more than timely updates. We will get a update, until then im perfectly content with what development is currently active on this device. we dont need jellybean source to get the ril perfected anyway. all we need is a dev like jt1134 that wrote the mtd filesystem for the fascinate and hacked the ril to near perfection...he also was the main reason cm7 ever made it to the fascinate. That device barely got a gingerbread ota and that didnt happen till way after cm7 was released. point is, support your devs folks! they are the ones that will keep this device up to date after the carriers drop it. I never log on to xda for news on ota updates...things are so much different now than it use to be here and there is alot less dense information in these forums. Now 1 in 3 threads is about ota or root...lol
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I never said I would rather be on Sprint. I left Sprint about 8 months ago after being with them for 15 years. I am just saying I am pretty surprised to see this update come out so quick for them. Would have guessed we would have seen it on AT&T or T-Mobile first. Whether you like Sprint or not is irrelevant, I do think it is kind of cool to see JB released already for them though. It shows that there head is in the right place.
To be honest, if Verizon's network was not leaps and bounds better then others I do not even think the company would exist right now. Choosing to lock bootloaders, blocking apps like Google Wallet, worst data plans, the slowest updates ever and basically not caring about what the customer wants does not sound to enticing. Once the other providers catch up they better start to change their tude or they will begin to see a huge decline in numbers.
I do think Sprint really f'd up and now they are trying to be the good guy. While their network was going to the ****ter instead of giving their customers reasons to stay they continued to remove features at a rapid pace. They removed the Premier program, removed discounts from any line but the first, raised their ETF fee, raised their insurance prices and I am sure I am missing a few other things. Maybe now they are realizing with a network as ****ty as theirs they need reasons to actually keep customers and not scare them away.