Database Info

is there a lack dev support for the nexus S ?

Will the Nexus S get developer support?
I currently have a Vibrant but plan on getting the S. I notice there are SO MANY different roms for the N1. IE: MIUI ports, etc. What is everyone's stance on this? Will any of the N1 devs move to N-S?
Please, no anti-Samsung haters. I'm asking a serious question.
Thanks!

richiehd said:
I currently have a Vibrant but plan on getting the S. I notice there are SO MANY different roms for the N1. IE: MIUI ports, etc. What is everyone's stance on this? Will any of the N1 devs move to N-S?
Please, no anti-Samsung haters. I'm asking a serious question.
Thanks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I currently have a nexus one. And my next phone will be largely based on its development community. To me this is what makes the nexus truly what it is.
The Community.

That's why I would like to know. I love the dev's for the Vibrant too but the sheer number of amazing dev's in the N1 section is astounding. I'd love to think they will work on the N-S as well.

I most likely will NOT go for the Samsung Nexus 2, solely because it's NOT a Google Developer Phone.
I was pretty upset when the Nexus title went to a Samsung device. I've got nothing against Samsung, but I think that Google should have stuck with HTC as their Android Dev Phone manufacturer.
The Nexus "X" line of Android phones should stay with ONE manufacturer.
Motorola should have the entire Droid line of phones, just as HTC has the entire line of MyTouch phones.
Just my dos-centavos

Wasn't the plan for the NS to be the next developer phone? Just because it's not HTC doesn't mean it's not going to be good. Google most likely has their thumb on this phone to make sure everything goes as THEY want it to. I don't see Samsung messing this up with Google taking care of the updates. All the software is being updated through google.

richiehd said:
... Just because it's not HTC doesn't mean it's not going to be good ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't mean to come across as that being my opinion.
Before coming to Android, I loved my Windows Mobile phones. My old Tilt, Dash, Shadow. So I'm just partial to HTC.
He likes Chevy. He likes Ford.

OrganizedFellow said:
I didn't mean to come across as that being my opinion.
Before coming to Android, I loved my Windows Mobile phones. My old Tilt, Dash, Shadow. So I'm just partial to HTC.
He likes Chevy. He likes Ford.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Oh, trust me. I like HTC too! I also had the Shadow and the G1, my brother has the Hero. The Shadow, 2007 seems like such a long time ago when I look at my Vibrant. Haha.

If the NS is going to be given all the new software updates before the N1, I think there's a really good chance that N1 ROM devs will move to the NS.
Even if it doesn't, though, the NS will definitely get a wide range of XDA support solely because it's a Google phone.
Personally, I was going to hold off on getting the NS to find a better successor to my N1, but then I heard rumors that Samsung scrapped the original model to make it a dual-core...so maybe.

Ofcourse it will, because its the latest Google phone. And nexus1 will lost a lot of support, because most people will move to Google's latest phone - Nexus S.

Until it's announced and officially declared as ADP4, it can only be compared to G2 - which will give you a good estimate.

The Nexus S will be the next developer phone, and will most likely get all Android updates first. I'm ready to jump ship. The Nexus 1 was great, but it also has it's problems.

I watched not too long ago a youTube video.
The Google Developer did not say he had a Nexus S but it matched the pictures seen in rumors.
Questioned he said there would be no Nexus 2 but this is the Nexus S
I think the Nexus S is real, it will be seen and announced soon.
When it is released Google will be using the device for future Android development, the Nexus One will be pushed aside.

AstroDigital said:
I watched not too long ago a youTube video.
The Google Developer did not say he had a Nexus S but it matched the pictures seen in rumors.
Questioned he said there would be no Nexus 2 but this is the Nexus S
I think the Nexus S is real, it will be seen and announced soon.
When it is released Google will be using the device for future Android development, the Nexus One will be pushed aside.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We already know its real. lol. A little late to the party

Yes I understand that but what I find confusing, then is the whole post.
Everybody knows it is real the next develop phone seems like it is given it will have developer support.

AstroDigital said:
Yes I understand that but what I find confusing, then is the whole post.
Everybody knows it is real the next develop phone seems like it is given it will have developer support.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We know its the next "google" phone. People seem to be unsure whether it will be officially a "developer" phone.
Since the rumors have been pointing towards a retail launch (not just the google.com/phone) I think people are just assuming its going to be more of a "consumer" phone rather then a "developer" phone like the Nexus One was.

Jack_R1 said:
Until it's announced and officially declared as ADP4, it can only be compared to G2 - which will give you a good estimate.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's what I'm waiting for.
No more blogs & their anonymous contacts & rumors.
peliROJO said:
The Nexus S will be the next developer phone, and will most likely get all Android updates first. I'm ready to jump ship. The Nexus 1 was great, but it also has it's problems.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Speculation?
Please provide a link from a reliable source, yeah?

peliROJO said:
The Nexus S will be the next developer phone, and will most likely get all Android updates first. I'm ready to jump ship. The Nexus 1 was great, but it also has it's problems.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Every phone will have its faults Nothings perfect

OrganizedFellow said:
Speculation?
Please provide a link from a reliable source, yeah?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's speculation. But if the rumors of dual-core Cortex A9 are true then it seems likely. Also, the greatness that is Google, we can hope that they insist this next phone is dual-core and have optimized Gingerbread for such. Why on Earth would you not switch phones!
This forum will be demanding quad-core by the end of 2011 or sooner. It's natural. So thank you Nexus 1 and G1 for the progress you have brought us. RIP

If it has "fastboot oem unlock" then it is sure to attract devs right away! That's what was awesome about the N1! No time wasted on looking for an exploit.

jruweaver said:
If it has "fastboot oem unlock" then it is sure to attract devs right away! That's what was awesome about the N1! No time wasted on looking for an exploit.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
oh yeah. Totally forgot about that! Cyanogen tweeted that, I remember

ICS 4.0 Update Not Until April 2012?

http://www.themobileindian.com/news/3587_Android-4.0-update-to-come-in-April-2012:-Reports
As reports point out, the updates will arrive by 2nd quarter (beginning April) of 2012 and it is again going to be Samsung devices which will get these updates first. The official word from Samsung is that the six devices to get the update first will be Galaxy S II, Galaxy Note, Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, Galaxy Tab 7.7, Galaxy Tab 8.9 and Galaxy Tab 10.1 and all of these devices except Galaxy Note (which is coming to India on 2nd November) are already available in India.
Samsung has also said that since it had been working closely with Google on ICS, they expected to beat competitors to the market with upgrades for existing devices.
HTC has also publicly announced the plans for the updates, but it is expected to be late to the party as their phones are heavily modified version of Android and therefore will take more time to include their Sense user interface into the new updates. It will be a more uphill task since some of the features that were available only through Sense UI are now part of Android 4.0 by default.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow. That would be very upsetting if it took that long for an official ICS update.
And to think I actually left my device S-on and unrooted in hopes of getting this update before Christmas. Shame on me.
As soon as we get CM7 stable, I'm done with stock. Done with HTC Sense. Done with waiting for HTC and T-Mobile to get us updates (I know I'm late to the party )

Lol you thought we'd have an update this year, that's kind of funny dude. HTC is good with updates, but not that good. And I've been running cm7 since the cm team dropped it on September 11 and its very stable. Just because they call it an alpha doesn't mean it's buggy or laggy.I think it runs very well like the nightlies. But if I were you bud I'd s-off and root because when the galaxy nexus is released, Google will be releasing the source code for ICS and there will be ICS roms asap and cm9. Or just get the galaxy nexus like I'm planning on doing if you want ICS lol but seriously, you'll have ICS soon, it just won't be official.
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App

The moment ICS gets dumped on XDA, it's gonna be a race to see who mmcan get it stable first. A "friendly" competition, if you will. #yearightlol.
Sent from my HTC Sensation

I am confident that we'll have CM9 running on our phones long before HTC deigns to give us their Sensified interpretation of ICS.

I remember the Galaxy S situation last year......
Same phone as NEXUS S , but the updato to Gingerbread (released in mid dicember) is arrived in May

I'm probably not gonna wait around for HTC.
soon as stable ICS rom becomes available from our wonderful developers I'm upgrading.
lot of the Sense features are on ICS anyways.

nory82688 said:
Lol you thought we'd have an update this year, that's kind of funny dude. HTC is good with updates, but not that good. And I've been running cm7 since the cm team dropped it on September 11 and its very stable. Just because they call it an alpha doesn't mean it's buggy or laggy.I think it runs very well like the nightlies. But if I were you bud I'd s-off and root because when the galaxy nexus is released, Google will be releasing the source code for ICS and there will be ICS roms asap and cm9. Or just get the galaxy nexus like I'm planning on doing if you want ICS lol but seriously, you'll have ICS soon, it just won't be official.
Sent from my Sensation using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How long does it take to turn source code into a stable ROM? I'm not a programmer or developer so I have no idea lol.
I'm gonna stick with my sensation, but I'm scared to unroot and flash haha.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

It will be a more uphill task since some of the features that were available only through Sense UI are now part of Android 4.0 by default.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Interesting, that may cost HTC some sales if other phones will get similar features to Sense.

we will get offical ICS if apple devcies get iOS 6 !!
htc should just send ICS for sensation..then after 3 months bring Sense 4.0

Based on past experience, HTC won't release an update until a few months after a new flagship device shipped with a new Android version is launched.
So let's say HTC announce a ICS flagship device in late Dec or early Jan, which will be shipped earliest a month after that. Say early Feb. Add two months to it, April sounds plausible.
As soon as ICS source code is released, probably within days you will start seeing custom ICS roms popping up here. Most of which will be crappy and unstable (although everyone will claim "lighting fast! Super stable!" in their thread title). I would say a month after ICS source code being released, quality ROMs will start rolling out.

LPChris47 said:
http://www.themobileindian.com/news/3587_Android-4.0-update-to-come-in-April-2012:-Reports
Wow. That would be very upsetting if it took that long for an official ICS update.
And to think I actually left my device S-on and unrooted in hopes of getting this update before Christmas. Shame on me.
As soon as we get CM7 stable, I'm done with stock. Done with HTC Sense. Done with waiting for HTC and T-Mobile to get us updates (I know I'm late to the party )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I hate the break the bad news to you, but the Sensation is now officially the "red headed step child" for both HTC and the carriers around the globe. It was intended to be the flagship Android device when it was released last June, but HORRIBLE quality control lead to massive shipments of faulty devices. HTC still won't admit the issue, although the carriers now openly mention it and will even offer you an LG or Samsung device as a replacement no matter how long you have had your Sensation. With the new Nexus device about to ship, and a handful of other ICS devices on the way, HTC is in a world of hurt. They didn't get awarded the contract for the Nexus phone and the Motorola/Google merger is going to crush their bottom line. Let's also not forget about the snooping software HTC "mistakenly" installed on this phone, which they have just started rolling out updates to remove. In summary, the Sensation was intended to be a market leader. Due to multiple internal/external issues at HTC that never happened, and now they (HTC) are trying to play catch up. The other issue is that HTC has newer phones on the market which have pushed the Sensation to the back of the line when it comes to upgrades. The Sensation is caught in the middle of the newer phones who are competing against the newest version of Android. Sure, ICS will likely come out for the Sensation by Spring/Summer, but at that point the phone will be a year old and nobody will care.....

webmaster said:
I hate the break the bad news to you, but the Sensation is now officially the "red headed step child" for both HTC and the carriers around the globe. It was intended to be the flagship Android device when it was released last June, but HORRIBLE quality control lead to massive shipments of faulty devices. HTC still won't admit the issue, although the carriers now openly mention it and will even offer you an LG or Samsung device as a replacement no matter how long you have had your Sensation. With the new Nexus device about to ship, and a handful of other ICS devices on the way, HTC is in a world of hurt. They didn't get awarded the contract for the Nexus phone and the Motorola/Google merger is going to crush their bottom line. Let's also not forget about the snooping software HTC "mistakenly" installed on this phone, which they have just started rolling out updates to remove. In summary, the Sensation was intended to be a market leader. Due to multiple internal/external issues at HTC that never happened, and now they (HTC) are trying to play catch up. The other issue is that HTC has newer phones on the market which have pushed the Sensation to the back of the line when it comes to upgrades. The Sensation is caught in the middle of the newer phones who are competing against the newest version of Android. Sure, ICS will likely come out for the Sensation by Spring/Summer, but at that point the phone will be a year old and nobody will care.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for your insight
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

lol. nice thoughts! but for some years here in xda, whos still waiting for these "updates" when there are devs that surely be porting this as soon as source comes out? @[email protected]
and to add to that, haven't you learned that HTC is like a brick itself? like the unlocked bootloader they promised? so many people asking them about that and trying to tell them stuff, but they decided to play by their book and it just ended up xda devs coming up with a different way to unlock the bootloader. so, don't trust them, they put some crazy stuff on your phone and won't tell you that they bugged your phone for some unknown reason. thats why there's xda-developers

i dont think it will be that late ,january at the latest we should have something, beta, leak , CM8
Google I/O 2012 is on April 24 and i think they will launch another version of android then

i thought their said the that ics will come to others devices after 2 months its released! well i wont say nothing the fat lady aint sang yet

Im not really worried about the ICS update from HTC. I myself have been lucky and have had ZERO issues with my sensation, but as fast as the quality devs here can roll stuff out we will have 4.0 before too long, and this being a back of the line phone? i dont buy that. It can be considered an entry level dual core phone, but with the custom ROM's and mods available for this thing, it has the ability to blow more powerful phones off the chart.
I must admit im waiting for the Nexus Prime, but until then i'll enjoy the sensation, and probably always will.

webmaster said:
I hate the break the bad news to you, but the Sensation is now officially the "red headed step child" for both HTC and the carriers around the globe. It was intended to be the flagship Android device when it was released last June, but HORRIBLE quality control lead to massive shipments of faulty devices. HTC still won't admit the issue, although the carriers now openly mention it and will even offer you an LG or Samsung device as a replacement no matter how long you have had your Sensation. With the new Nexus device about to ship, and a handful of other ICS devices on the way, HTC is in a world of hurt. They didn't get awarded the contract for the Nexus phone and the Motorola/Google merger is going to crush their bottom line. Let's also not forget about the snooping software HTC "mistakenly" installed on this phone, which they have just started rolling out updates to remove. In summary, the Sensation was intended to be a market leader. Due to multiple internal/external issues at HTC that never happened, and now they (HTC) are trying to play catch up. The other issue is that HTC has newer phones on the market which have pushed the Sensation to the back of the line when it comes to upgrades. The Sensation is caught in the middle of the newer phones who are competing against the newest version of Android. Sure, ICS will likely come out for the Sensation by Spring/Summer, but at that point the phone will be a year old and nobody will care.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
do you have some kind of source for these claims? I've not heard a peep about this stuff from other users here or any news sites.

They didn't say anything about releasing the source in july right? Hopefully it releases the same time as Galaxy Nexus. I don't see why I would want an OTA when there's a CM9

unfnknblvbl said:
do you have some kind of source for these claims? I've not heard a peep about this stuff from other users here or any news sites.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/google-to-buy-motorola-mobility/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1114612
I could provide you countless other links, but in this case Google truly is your friend!

If I'm not mistaken we would have to wait for HTC to release the source for an Android 4.0 compatible kernel to be able to run CM9 on Sensation. Or maybe the devs can patch together an Android 2.x kernel for compatibility? I'm no programmer so I'm not sure what I just said makes any sense... but apache (provides the CM7 kernel for Sensation) said that they based their kernel on source code from HTC, I guess due to the aSMP CPU in Sensation.

AT&T, their plan to do as little as possible to update phones!!!

This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones, yet the *PRIZED* possession of AT&T, the Iphone (I$hit) and let apple update them on their own and don't fill them with bloatware.... I absolutely hate that they treat phones like that....
Modz please don't close, this is meant to be a venting thread!

b-eock said:
This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones, yet the *PRIZED* possession of AT&T, the Iphone (I$hit) and let apple update them on their own and don't fill them with bloatware.... I absolutely hate that they treat phones like that....
Modz please don't close, this is meant to be a venting thread!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just flash CyanogenMod, it's infinitely better than that bloatware infused crap anyway

Agreed, I just root and flash and don't worry about att. Most average users don't even know what a update is nor do they care.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk

I run MIUI so no worries there, just once source is released, bugs will be fixed!
Sent from my I897 using xda premium

This thread is unnecessary. If you are on xda, chances are you are looking to make your phone better. If not, you probably don't care. Why is this thread different from others complaining about a carrier? And if you are on Miui why complain? Even with source there will be bugs needing fixed.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

There will be less bugs than there are already!
Sent from my I897 using xda premium

Less yes, but still bugs. All I am saying is creating a thread to vent on a forum that is designed to change how your phone works is pointless. Go back to stock on your phone because the bugs will not be as plentiful.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

Usually I wouldn't worry about this thread and move on, but I agree with the OP about the iPhone.
When AT&T got possession of the most powerful phone in the world (SGS II, for those that don't know) there wasn't one single advertisement saying that it was coming out or that they was selling it. When the iPhone had TWO WEEKS to release there was a big *** advertisement on their homepage for preorders. On top of that, when you look at their smartphones the iPhone lineup from the best to the worst that they are selling are all of the first phones listed, where's the SGS II? DEAD LAST!!!
sent from my Pinnacle Powered Captivate

I don't blame AT&T that much, why wouldn't they push a single phone that millions want vs. pushing all of the android phones they have, in the past two months we have seen the galaxy s II, the Atrix II, the SkyRocket and the Vivid released. Before that it as the Atrix, Infuse, and Inspire, all the while Apple has released 1 phone. From a marketing perspective its much cheaper to push 1 phone vs. the 7 I just mentioned and the other 4 smaller releases they have had for android. On top of that they are also selling Windows 7 and blackberry phones. To sum it up its makes sense and is cheaper for them the market the hell out the most popular phone in America then to have to create new campaigns every month for the next flagship phone that gets released for Android. I think that extends to updates as well, I would bet if there were one android manufacturer like Apple for Iphone we would see much quicker updates, its just sort the headache you sign up for when you buy an android phone, if you want quick updates get a google phone, otherwise all you can do is flash.

b-eock said:
This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dude, the captivate is a 1 year old model, unless they start melting down in peoples hands, dont expect another update for your phone. I can just about promise ICS will never come for cappy from AT&T. Be glad we did finally get GB.

rahlquist said:
Dude, the captivate is a 1 year old model, unless they start melting down in peoples hands, dont expect another update for your phone. I can just about promise ICS will never come for cappy from AT&T. Be glad we did finally get GB.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We didn't get official Gingerbread... and Google requires updates for At least 18 months!
Sent from my I897 using xda premium

... but.... we haven't got GB. Not officially. We have to rely on leaks from Samsung.
Edit: b-eock beat me to it.
sent from my Pinnacle Powered Captivate

I've come to expect very little from AT&T. Just a bit more than the bare minimum (i.e. a phone that can call people).

also if you want to express any opinion to At&t, contact At&t. dont expect that they research their old products as well enough to find this message to them.
email, call - i think they have these options if not default to angry letter attached to a box with an old style wind up clock in it.

TRusselo said:
email, call - i think they have these options if not default to angry letter attached to a box with an old style wind up clock in it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was largely under the presumption that, as AT&T customers, we've done this so often that we're sick of it and absolutely can't stand another 3hr+ chat just to get them to send us a replacement phone.

Aus_Azn said:
I was largely under the presumption that, as AT&T customers, we've done this so often that we're sick of it and absolutely can't stand another 3hr+ chat just to get them to send us a replacement phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Many people haven't needed replacement phones because of the os not getting updated. I don't think that has ever happened.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

flashman2002 said:
Many people haven't needed replacement phones because of the os not getting updated. I don't think that has ever happened.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was specifically referencing the idea of calling AT&T, not discussing the issue of replacement phones.

ok then dont call them. make a blog, or yell at the wall, it will do you the same amount of good as posting here.

Stupid question but how is Sprint & Verizon when it comes to updates? I have read they also do the same, MetroPCS are still selling Eclair phones I believe.
Sent from my SGH-I897 using xda premium

It is pretty much all the us providers that slow down getting the updates. Some manufacturers were sending out pretty frequent updates for their phones but usually it was because they would send out an update like 2.2 which would have some bugs, then a month later they would supposedly fix those bugs with an update that incremented to 2.2.1, 2.2.3 or whatever (I do not remember the exact updates but some of my coworkers with their HTC or Moto phones seemed to get the little incremented updates pretty often, but going from lets say 2.2 to 2.3 took a while.
This is ONE of the advanteges to 1. having a sister device in common like the i9000 and i897 cappy and as well the i9100 and i777. Which WILL allow us on Cappys and ATT OG SGS2's to stay ahead of whatever it is the provider puts out. Like on my cappy I was running froyo maybe 6 months before att decided to put out a official update, then just as att put out the official froyo I was running leaked gingerbread roms which STILL has not been made official from att.
AND 2. being a part of the XDA community so we can get these BETTER THAN STOCK ROM leaks well before.
Sent From My KICKASS CM7 AT&T SGS2

HTC has let me down...

Under the GPL requirements companies are to release the source code within 90-120 days. HTC also made a promise to release kernel source code for their devices. So far HTC has been the clear and has usually released source code for devices within weeks of releasing an update for that said device. However with one particular device HTC has been slacking and that device is the HTC Amaze 4G.
The ICS update for this device was released about a month ago around May 16-21 for T-Mobile. As I stated earlier HTC usually releases the source code within weeks and have done so for other devices that came out AFTER this device. Examples of this are the HTC One series phones. Within a week HTC released the source code for these devices. This is somewhat understandable as these are HTC's current flagship devices and they would want to support it fully. However what I don't understand is how the Sensation XL received it's source code release within a week of it's ICS update and yet the device itself was released after the HTC Amaze 4G. It's as if HTC has decided to put this device on the backburner and ignore the Amaze customers. HTC has decided to instead support the HTC Sensation series devices and release the source code for those instead of the Amaze. This as a customer is frustrating and makes me believe that HTC does not care.
To ask HTC to release the full kernel source code and not partial source code like they did in the past with this device is not that far fetched. Other companies such as Samsung listening to their customers to release the source code and whatever else they need to develop on their devices. Sony Ericsson even went as far as to work with Team Douche to make sure CyanogenMod would run on their devices.
It is up to us on xda-developers and other android developing communities to get HTC to live up to their promise and release the full kernel source code for this device! We must let our voices be heard! I've already contacted them about this and you can too! Just contact HTC on htcdev.com and raise this situation to them. You can also tweet them @htc and @htcdev to get their attention. Please be professional when talking to them or they won't take us seriously. If enough of us voice our opinion on this matter then HTC will have to listen to their customers. I may include my conversations with HTC in another post.

HTC is struggling to stay relevant
Flyer

This issue requires support from everyone, we can't just let it go. I've generally liked HTC devices, however I do not like this "pick and choose" support mantra.
I don't understand the issue, release it and quit frustrating users. Done.

Biohazard0289 said:
This issue requires support from everyone, we can't just let it go. I've generally liked HTC devices, however I do not like this "pick and choose" support mantra.
I don't understand the issue, release it and quit frustrating users. Done.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm an avid HTC fan as all my Android devices have been HTC; however this "pick and choose" thing is making my liking towards HTC to fade.

shekki said:
I'm an avid HTC fan as all my Android devices have been HTC; however this "pick and choose" thing is making my liking towards HTC to fade.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In order to stay relevant as posted above, this kind of thing just shouldn't be an issue.
Sent from my SGH-T769 using xda premium

I had a Sensation and it was a piece of crap. The source code bs, random rebooting all the time, volume rocker fell off, the list goes on and on.
HTC is a bunch of scammers, too. Read this, you will see that they had a faulty design in the Sensation where the volume rocker fell off on a lot of devices, and because so many people claimed warranty on it and they were losing money, they stopped honoring warranties for that issue.
Ditch that HTC crap and go the Nexus route, man. The Galaxy Nexus is the best Android phone you can buy.

I really like the GNEX, however with an early upgrade from tmobile I felt the Amaze was a good move. I'm confident I'll be content with the device, I just hate all the push back for something must other devices have already.
We have received mixed replies, and even some that directly conflict one another.
Sent from my SGH-T769 using xda premium

fredryk said:
I had a Sensation and it was a piece of crap. The source code bs, random rebooting all the time, volume rocker fell off, the list goes on and on.
HTC is a bunch of scammers, too. Read this, you will see that they had a faulty design in the Sensation where the volume rocker fell off on a lot of devices, and because so many people claimed warranty on it and they were losing money, they stopped honoring warranties for that issue.
Ditch that HTC crap and go the Nexus route, man. The Galaxy Nexus is the best Android phone you can buy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I love the build quality of HTC phones; however with HTC's recent actions I'm thinking of just getting the next Nexus device if they don't pull through. That way I won't have to deal with any of this bs. But hopefully HTC will meet our demands and release the full kernel source!

I agree with you guys i love the HTC devices and i really love the build quality but their pick and choose attitude is pulling me off

I am using HTC. I think it's great and runs stable.

someone3974 said:
I am using HTC. I think it's great and runs stable.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
HTC devices are great; however they're not releasing the full kernel source code for the Amaze while releasing it for others, which is really frustrating.

HTC also produced a handful of tablets costing it's users several of hundreds of dollars, then within a year abandoned them because of their failure to market and price correctly. Great devices, nice build quality, no support what so ever. As much as I think they make a sound device, their recent struggles in market share concern me. I would not buy any HTC device with the expectation of future support. Unless they turn things around they will continue to fall into obscurity and their devices will continue to see a reduction in services. The pick and choose, in my opinion, is based on market sales. If the device in your hands was not a top seller, expect no support
Flyer

mcord11758 said:
If the device in your hands was not a top seller, expect no support.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So true. So the Amaze didn't sell well? Was the One really any better? Not in my opinion. But I heard that the Amaze was just released to tide us all over until the One was out. Here it is, over a year later, and still no Amaze source. And now they're saying it MIGHT happen, but it'll be at least another 90-day wait. What's their reason? The CEO has to ok the release? Pffffft. Lame excuses.

Sent from my EVO using xda app-developers app

Rob, next time you post, be sure to actually type something. :/ That, or your message disappeared.

Imperfect though some may be, it's a bit crazy that Chinese market phones recieve more timely updates than what many "standard" OEMS are offering and with less to no bloatware. HTC isn't the only one that needs to step its game up.

MissionImprobable said:
Imperfect though some may be, it's a bit crazy that Chinese market phones recieve more timely updates than what many "standard" OEMS are offering and with less to no bloatware. HTC isn't the only one that needs to step its game up.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol nice signature, That's one evil cat..

Jimbroski said:
Lol nice signature, That's one normal cat..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Fixed that for ya.
Brought to you by the letters "M" "I" "U" "I"

Scream @ HTC on their FB page for an update!

This was a good idea (however fruitless it may turn out to be) that I stole from the Galaxy 7.7 forum.
Go to https://www.facebook.com/htcusa and simply post this:
Dear HTC,
Update the MyTouch 4G Slide to Android 4.0+!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Honestly I don't think anyone would care whether it was ICS or Jelly Bean at this point, but the phone desperately needs an update to the stock ROM. Would be nice if we could get at least ICS with Sense 4!

Not gonna work
Sent from my myTouch 4G Slide using xda premium

way too late at this point

There might (just might) be an update coming from HTC at some point. One of the gov't agencies (can't remember if it was FTC or FCC) ruled against HTC last month in a major case. The result is that HTC will have to update a LOT of older phones in order to comply with the ruling. There were rumors that HTC had been working on an ICS update for our phone but ceased work due to budget issues. So, to comply with the gov't ruling, they might resume work on what they've done and release the update. Or, they could just release some lame-ass patch just to comply. But, regardless, there will probably be some sort of update coming from HTC/T-Mobile for this phone in the coming months.
EDIT: It was the FTC, here is the ruling: http://ftc.gov/opa/2013/02/htc.shtm

WangChung81 said:
This was a good idea (however fruitless it may turn out to be) that I stole from the Galaxy 7.7 forum.
Go to https://www.facebook.com/htcusa and simply post this:
Honestly I don't think anyone would care whether it was ICS or Jelly Bean at this point, but the phone desperately needs an update to the stock ROM. Would be nice if we could get at least ICS with Sense 4!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Done; and answer.....from HTC USA
HTC USA Sorry, .... The MyTouch 4g Slide will not be upgraded to ICS.
maybe more post on their side will change something...((
P.S I'm very fu. angry because there is nothing good / new with slide keyb, and, despite the fact that this equipment has a good performance, they do not want to update it, but it does not give anything with slide. ahhhh!!!!!

HTC deserve all the spam for not updating this device. Its all their fault because they didn't market it as a high end device which it is. And also failed to release an international version. The DS is a great device and still deserves more from HTC

We ALL understand your frustrations. But I'm afraid this flagship has already sailed. This is really a Sensation with a slideout KB and look what they've done for it. But really the only thing that big companies like HTC pay any attention to is marketshare. You know....their own bottom line.
Do what you will but when the time comes, I'm taking my business elsewhere. When they finally figure out that people are sick of being taken in on a worthy $500 phone by sending it out with a big hole in the hull & they all know it's sinking they MAY rethink their business model. But until that happens I'd love to see them have to name the next "biggie" they put out the Titanic.
Maybe they will see then that THEY weren't sunk by an iceberg but by a little ole Ice Cream Sandwich. KWIM?

WeekendsR2Short said:
We ALL understand your frustrations. But I'm afraid this flagship has already sailed. This is really a Sensation with a slideout KB and look what they've done for it. But really the only thing that big companies like HTC pay any attention to is marketshare. You know....their own bottom line.
Do what you will but when the time comes, I'm taking my business elsewhere. When they finally figure out that people are sick of being taken in on a worthy $500 phone by sending it out with a big hole in the hull & they all know it's sinking they MAY rethink their business model. But until that happens I'd love to see them have to name the next "biggie" they put out the Titanic.
Maybe they will see then that THEY weren't sunk by an iceberg but by a little ole Ice Cream Sandwich. KWIM?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm definitely NOT buying HTC anymore. They suckered me in twice, on this phone and a Flyer tablet. Never again. And I think a lot of people feel the same way, HTC is sinking, their sales are in the toilet, nobody is buying their stuff.

!!11111
Fuzi0719 said:
I'm definitely NOT buying HTC anymore. They suckered me in twice, on this phone and a Flyer tablet. Never again. And I think a lot of people feel the same way, HTC is sinking, their sales are in the toilet, nobody is buying their stuff.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm definitely in agreement here, and it seems that a lot of us share the same feelings ever since HTC and Tmo decided to pretend our phone never happened. I only found out about the phone because it was an insurance replacement for my g2, which apparently wasn't available at all for replacement (refurb or not). I hadn't heard anything about the MT4GS, and the phone had released about a week prior to my swap, which goes to show you how Tmo dropped the ball on marketing. I will say that it was a marked improvement over the g2 and that i've enjoyed my time with it for the most part. However, even bone stock I would get random soft reboots and other quirks that generally went away once I rooted and rom'd.
It wound up being my third HTC phone in a row, and probably my last for some time because of the way we got treated on this device. Not to mention their current lineup (minus DNA) is pretty meh. A friend has a One X that I've had some time on, which is a pretty cool phone mind you, but not that impressive. I guess I'm going to take business to Samsung for the next one, as they irk me the least out of the android OEMs these days. I'd jump on an N4, but the whole cloud thing doesn't go over too well when you don't have consistent 4g or wifi all the time. Unfortunately, New England's geography wreaks havoc on signal in a lot of places and reliance on cloud storage just isn't ideal. Locally stored files ftw.
At the time, the official excuse for our device not getting updated was something about user experience and not working out to expectations, but as we all know that is a load of bull, since the devs here have pulled out the stops in keeping the device up to date. Granted not everything works 100% on these roms, without any source we're doing pretty darn good in this corner and there are no complaints from me about their hard work. Members of this community (and beyond) have attempted to get HTC to budge to no avail... about a year ago. There's no hope at this point of any official anything. And that sucks.
As an aside, has anyone else noticed how visually similar our mysense and sense 4 are? I definitely remember seeing the sense 4 launcher when it first dropped on a few phones and thinking that it looked a lot like our stock one.
I tried not to wall of text but I can't help it. Sorry guys and gals.

I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.

Fuzi0719 said:
I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
With only chatter about what the next Nexus "might" be I'll stick with my Nexus 4. There is not.... Let me say that again while I still can...there is not a faster device out there. Yeah of course some have huge screens and huge 6k mah batteries but they still can't keep up.
I don't keep much on my phone so I rock the 8GB with zero issues.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Fuzi0719 said:
I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm looking at Sony phones too. Pretty sure I'm going to get my gf and I the Z/ZL (she's a klutz, so she needs the waterproofing :silly
If the leaks of the SG4 are real, it's just a huge honkin phone/mini Note 3. I don't WANT a giant screen held to my face, and when I want to watch a movie or do some power browsing I have a TABLET for that.