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I know that many of us have been following development of ICS for our beloved Sensations... They have announced the release in early 2012
After providing a vague answer regarding which devices would receive an Ice Cream Sandwich upgrade, HTC has just released a full bore list of the first devices that will see the update. The great news for T-Mobile fans is the knowledge that both the HTC Sensation and HTC Amaze 4G will see Ice Cream Sandwich. HTC says that the update will come in early 2012 and that we should “stay tuned for more updates on device upgrades, timing and other details.”
We can’t blame HTC for not offering up a solid timeframe considering Google hasn’t released the update itself and we imagine once the carriers get their hands on a final build they’ll be in a better position to provide a solid timeframe. Still, we’re thrilled to see that T-Mobile’s top HTC devices will see the Ice Cream Sandwich update and hope that it makes their owners happy too.
Source:
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/11/htc-confirms-ice-cream-sandwich-for-htc-sensation-htc-amaze-4g/

Umm why did you not just post this in the thread that has been going for almost three weeks now on ICS on the sensation. i mean it has been covered there and another thread that was started today. Plus we just needed a link and not a copy and paste post of it. I am not trying to be a downer just reminding people of the forum rules on starting a thread is all.

you can like slap him for saying that.

Kinda weird, this article. ICS just came out, what's the problem with having to wait a few months? It won't be outdated in February, it'll be the current Android version then too. And this press release of HTC means that they're working on bringing it on Sense right now.
If you've ever had an LG phone, you'd know that 6 months of waiting and empty promises of an upgrade is no big deal. And if you've ever had a Samsung, you'd know that getting ANY official confirmation about any possible update would already make you lucky as hell.
HTC is being very fast here, and to me it just seems like these people are never happy. If HTC announced ICS was coming next week, everyone would be whining about how it seems rushed and how buggy it will be..............

FnH84 said:
Kinda weird, this article. ICS just came out, what's the problem with having to wait a few months? It won't be outdated in February, it'll be the current Android version then too. And this press release of HTC means that they're working on bringing it on Sense right now.
If you've ever had an LG phone, you'd know that 6 months of waiting and empty promises of an upgrade is no big deal. And if you've ever had a Samsung, you'd know that getting ANY official confirmation about any possible update would already make you lucky as hell.
HTC is being very fast here, and to me it just seems like these people are never happy. If HTC announced ICS was coming next week, everyone would be whining about how it seems rushed and how buggy it will be..............
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Well said!

Annoyed with HTC

Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS for the original Galaxy S
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
Please share your opinions!
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olyloh6696 said:
Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS.
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
Please share your opinions!
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Next time I'm due for an upgrade if HTC don't get their act together with software updates then I might just go elsewhere shame cos I really do like the hardware that comes in a htc
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+1 I like the great combination of hardware and software.
I don't mind if our ICS update will take a little longer, I know HTC will have to work to reskin the UI.
But at least let us know. It's been nearly 2 months now, and where is the 2nd wave of devices?
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Well... The Desire HD, Desire S, etc. are all FAIRLY old devices.
I never keep my electronic devices for more then a year (as I'm sure many here don't either) so I can't see it as a big deal.

Root, install miui. Problem solved.
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Maedhros said:
Well... The Desire HD, Desire S, etc. are all FAIRLY old devices.
I never keep my electronic devices for more then a year (as I'm sure many here don't either) so I can't see it as a big deal.
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Yeah, the DHD May be old..
But the Desire S and Incredible S certainly isn't!!
They were only released in April, 7-8 months old only! And they aren't getting updates?
I only included the DHD, as it has the same/similiar specs.
The new XL is getting ICS, but it has exactly the same hardware as the DHD, Desire S!! (Just a overclocked CPU)
Think about it, the Galaxy S, 2 YEARS OLD, is getting ICS!
And Desire S (7-8 MONTHS OLD) hasn't even been confirmed to get ICS yet!
Come on HTC!
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darkfayte said:
Root, install miui. Problem solved.
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I hate it when people say this
I am already rooted, and running a Sensation XL ROM sense 3.5.
I can easily choose and install A ICS ROM now. (In fact already tested it)
But its always better to get official support from HTC, so devs can work from our base, and we get a proper kernel source etc.
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olyloh6696 said:
I hate it when people say this
I am already rooted, and running a Sensation XL ROM sense 3.5.
I can easily choose and install A ICS ROM now. (In fact already tested it)
But its always better to get official support from HTC, so devs can work from our base, and we get a proper kernel source etc.
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True but HTC customer service sucks once you buy your device one way or another I will have ics running whether its cm9 ,official HTC or superkids ics
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At least they're not Motorola.
/end thread.
-My life is a shooting range, people never change-

At least this device has Cyanogen option, mine doesnt even have this option...

olyloh6696 said:
Very p*ssed off with HTC
The Galaxy S original which is a 2 year old device is getting official ICS.
They weren't originally, but people begged Samsung and now they are getting it. This shows Samsung listens to customers.
They announced ICS for new devices 2 days ago, people complained, then today announce ICS for the original Galaxy S
Us? HTC announce the first waves many weeks ago. We pester HTC all the time but they never listen to us, no plans for the next wave yet.
Come on HTC! Desire S, HD and Incredible are all still new and capable!
I really hope they feel pressured by Samsung now and compete to release ICS for us.
Please share your opinions!
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First I don't know from where you get that Samsung is updating the SGSI to ICS please give source.
All i know is that Samsung said that they'll update the Galaxy SII and the Note
will get ICS in Q1 where as the Galaxy R and galaxy Tabs(exclude the first gen) later and no mention what so ever about the Galaxy S!
Secondly HTC never said that they aren't updating the Desire S Incredible S (which are mid range devices) and Desire HD to ICS, they've said clearly that the phones presented on their release were the first bunch to get ICS, and of course the most recent phones would get ICS first, and HTC did a good job updating devices like the Desire HD, with 2 major updates : 2.2 to 2.3.3 and to 2.3.5 with sense 3.0!
Thirdly from what I've seen HTC is planing to update their devices to ICS before samsung does, the sensation is planed to get it ICS update on februrary where as the SGSII update planed for April.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/17/bell-mobility-hints-at-ice-cream-sandwich-release-dates-for-gala/
And fortly you'll get the ICS roms and HTC leaks in the XDA community before the OEMs release their official roms (requirements and approval process takes time) if you want ICS I'm sure you can already download beta ICS rom for your device

kurolife said:
First I don't know from where you get that Samsung is updating the SGSI to ICS please give source.
All i know is that Samsung said that they'll update the Galaxy SII and the Note
will get ICS in Q1 where as the Galaxy R and galaxy Tabs(exclude the first gen) later and no mention what so ever about the Galaxy S!
Secondly HTC never said that they aren't updating the Desire S Incredible S (which are mid range devices) and Desire HD to ICS, they've said clearly that the phones presented on their release were the first bunch to get ICS, and of course the most recent phones would get ICS first, and HTC did a good job updating devices like the Desire HD, with 2 major updates : 2.2 to 2.3.3 and to 2.3.5 with sense 3.5!
Thirdly from what I've seen HTC is planing to update their devices to ICS before samsung does, the sensation is planed to get it ICS update on februrary where as the SGSII update planed for April.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/17/bell-mobility-hints-at-ice-cream-sandwich-release-dates-for-gala/
And fortly you'll get the ICS roms and HTC leaks in the XDA community before the OEMs release their official roms (requirements and approval process takes time) if you want ICS I'm sure you can already download beta ICS rom for your device
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Hi,
I found this in the Galaxy S thread. People are talking about it
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...lans-for-GALAXY-line-Galaxy-S-to-follow-later
Actually looking back now, not too sure about its reliability.
Yes, Samsung originally announced ICS for the newer phnes 2 days ago.
Then customers complained. And 2 days later, Samsung listend and supposedly said a Galaxy S original update will be coming soon, but later.
I know Desire S etc are mid range phones - it is capable of ICS and only 8 months old.
As I have already said, there are betas for me, I've already tried them.
I won't be using the official ROM anyway, I just want htc to make the update.
As I said a few pages back, if htc make the update, our devs can tweak and base newer ROM versions on the new base and kernel, which is better than using a ROM port.
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olyloh6696 said:
Hi,
I found this in the Galaxy S thread. People are talking about it
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...lans-for-GALAXY-line-Galaxy-S-to-follow-later
Actually looking back now, not too sure about its reliability.
Yes, Samsung originally announced ICS for the newer phnes 2 days ago.
Then customers complained. And 2 days later, Samsung listend and supposedly said a Galaxy S original update will be coming soon, but later.
I know Desire S etc are mid range phones - it is capable of ICS and only 8 months old.
As I have already said, there are betas for me, I've already tried them.
I won't be using the official ROM anyway, I just want htc to make the update.
As I said a few pages back, if htc make the update, our devs can tweak and base newer ROM versions on the new base and kernel, which is better than using a ROM port.
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That source doesn't look reliable to me at all, I've checked all the well known sources, such as Androidcentral, engadget,theverge, andoirdpolice and of course our source n1 which is XDA and there are no mentions on the Samsung Galaxy S I
Don't take me wrong, I am 100% with you when you say that HTC needs to bring ICS to those devices if possible (rom limitations comes to mind) but I'm being more realistic, and I'm considering the whole picture, and it looks that HTC is doing pretty good compared to it competition in terms of updates but that's still not enough as a customer I ask for me, Also at the same time I would like to give a shout to google! to give OEMs release candidate OS to play with and prepare their update a periode of time before they them self start releasing the final product, so we don't see this fragmentation in terms of OS OEMs skinned versions comes at about same time, or relatively some weeks later after the release on Nexus devices and not months later

Samsung officialy said no ICS for SGSI
http://translate.google.com/transla...&eotf=1&u=http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/2043

kurolife said:
Samsung officialy said no ICS for SGSI
http://translate.google.com/transla...&eotf=1&u=http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/2043
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Seems that source was fake then
Samsung... Just as bad as HTC?
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olyloh6696 said:
Seems that source was fake then
Samsung... Just as bad as HTC?
Well, just flash a custom rom will do. At least Sammy did much better than Motorola and LG in terms of updates though. Not to mention Sammy devices have an open bootloader, unlike HTC or moto phones.
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Yes, I've said this many many times now
I'm already on a custom ROM. no intentions to use a official ROM. But its good to get a base and kernel source for devs to work on for best integration on our phones.
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So, why do so many of you like HTC? Hardware is not that great, battery life is out the a$$, rooting is relatively annoying/complicated.

Skv012a said:
So, why do so many of you like HTC? Hardware is not that great, battery life is out the a$$, rooting is relatively annoying/complicated.
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Sure, hardware isn't as superior as Samsungs etc, but software is the key.
It's far superior than Samsungs touchwiz and other UI's.
Battery life on some htc's are rubbish, but on my Desire S its decent.
Also, rooting for me was easier than on my Galaxy Tab, and my dads SGSII.
I guess its all Down To personal opinions.
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Persistence
With persistence, you'll get what you desire, keep on trying

Android 4.0 update to be released soon (before 1st of March)

According to @HTC_NL, the sensation range of devices will receive the ICS update soon (before the 1st of March). On the 1st of March an ice white sensation will be released in Holland.
Link here (it's in Dutch of course): http://www.whizpr.nl/persberichten/8268

Article from tweakers.net (source):
HTC provides users of the Dutch Sensation, Sensation Sensation XL and XE soon an update to Android 4.0 ICS. On March 1 also appears that a white Sensation Android 4.0 already installed.
To update existing devices called HTC no period, the manufacturer has only said that "soon" will take place. The update was on the air offered to users. It is still unclear whether the devices with the update to ICS also immediately be provided with Sense 4.0.
About new features in Android 4.0 version of HTC Sense is still little known, HTC has just announced that shortcuts at the bottom can be adjusted by the user. Recently there appeared images of the new version of Sense, showed that the appearance, colors and screen animations differ from both Android 4.0 and the current versions of Sense.
HTC Sensation spent the last year in June from 2.3 with Android. Last autumn there were the Sensation XE and XL on the Sensation. The Sensation runs on a Qualcomm MSM8260 dual-core SOC running at 1.2 GHz. The GPU is an Adreno 220. The phone has a 4.3 "LCD with a resolution of 960x540 pixels. The camera has a maximum resolution of 8 megapixels and shoots video at 1080p with 30fps.
The manufacturer will this spring, next to the white Sensation, presumably releasing new models. These will most likely at the Mobile World Congress telecommunication fair, which takes place later this month in Barcelona, ​​are presented

Nevermind, HTC has clarified that the phone will be coming with 2.3 and will be upgradeable to 4.0 ... lame.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/2/27...nching-in-white-with-android-4-0-on-march-1st

aNYthing24 said:
Nevermind, HTC has clarified that the phone will be coming with 2.3 and will be upgradeable to 4.0 ... lame.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/2/27...nching-in-white-with-android-4-0-on-march-1st
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Thank you! This'll help tell me what rumors are fake sooner!(assuming the site isn't providing us with false information!) It'll be a long wait However, ty devs for sharing the leaks. They work pretty damn good so far!

lu1gj3s said:
According to @HTC_NL, the sensation range of devices will receive the ICS update soon (before the 1st of March). On the 1st of March an ice white sensation will be released in Holland.
Link here (it's in Dutch of course): http://www.whizpr.nl/persberichten/8268
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This would be awesome, as they would release kernel sources with this phone which might be compatible with the original Sensation/Sensation XE... which would allow better custom kernels for ICS which is the only thing wrong with [email protected] at the moment! (apart from the *few* minor bugs )

I wont hold my breath that it will be soon
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There will be not ICS on 1 March, on XE White. R u blind all? Read!
Update: HTC just wrote us to say that its original press release was incorrect — it'll actually ship with Android 2.3 and be upgradeable to 4.0 down the road, just as its other Sensation versions will be. In other words, don't expect an ICS-equipped Sensation on March 1st... but you can expect a white one with Gingerbread. Furthermore, the white Sensation is already available in select markets, so the PR is simply announcing its upcoming availability in Benelux. Now, the question becomes: how much longer is the wait for the upgrade?
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C'mon...when it goes live, it will...
Counting will make you nervous and nothing else...root it and have it right now...
And, be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it...

hexen88 said:
There will be not ICS on 1 March, on XE White. R u blind all? Read!
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Yes how retarded of people not pre-emptively predicting an updated article.
Take a chill pill.

Im seriously not impressed with the way HTC are masking ICS, AOSP ICS is a beautiful thing, so can sense be, but htc have gone about it all wrong with sense 3.6 and 4, I think im steering away from HTC slowly but surely, and can almost guarantee that I will be going AOSP ICS when it is stable!

Oh man, there is 3 threads about "1 march ics", and one opened after 1st etc... noone sees that article is updated? Or even that some thrads r arleady open with updated information? Please...

drivexcore said:
Im seriously not impressed with the way HTC are masking ICS, AOSP ICS is a beautiful thing, so can sense be, but htc have gone about it all wrong with sense 3.6 and 4, I think im steering away from HTC slowly but surely, and can almost guarantee that I will be going AOSP ICS when it is stable!
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You can say that again...
I like sense functionality, unlike its skining...it would be nice if they keep sense with AOSP design...

I like the ROM's that are already out there, and as posted above as soon as AOSP is stable I'll be going to that.
On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.

felixoanta said:
On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.
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A chef here has to make a rom which is pre made and stable and tweaks it. If it works for 99% of the users it's good. Htc has to release a rom which work for 100% of the users.
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felixoanta said:
On the other hand I wonder what's taking HTC so long, we have devs that do this for fun and they're releasing great ROMs and here you got a major company that you would think have lots of professional devs that do this for a living and they take forever.
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You forget that it isn not just a phone software that they need to update and polish, they need to sort out all cloud services that their ecosystem is all about (eg facebook for HTC, watch, hub, likes etc).
I would rather wait a few weeks to get a finished product, than have unpolished system that has memory leaks or whatever...
You forget that average user doesn't want to mess with rooting and flashing and they even don't know about that alternative (and/or care) so they cannot and will not flash new "xda" software when official rom "breaks"...

Very true, didn't think about that.

well, you can press thanks button so i can open new thread sooner

hope they release it soon..
I and my wife have an rooted firmware now.
but somethimes the phone reboots...
i don't care, but the wife don't like it hehehe.

kloenie said:
hope they release it soon..
I and my wife have an rooted firmware now.
but somethimes the phone reboots...
i don't care, but the wife don't like it hehehe.
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U can always change your wife. Maybe developers from XDA can make some new RomWIFE. But... how to do wipe then?

No point in this...
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What the future holds for the Desire S

Hey everyone. So I would like to bring you some discussion here about on what the future holds for our HTC Desire S when it respects to the official HTC support.
The main question here is, what do you think that HTC will do with the Desire S? Will they bring ICS to it? Will they try to be soft and bring just Sense 3.5? Or is our Desire S done and no more updates will come? It would be quite interesting to see what everyone thinks that may happen in the next few months

i doubt very much we will see anymore major official updates ,just maye a few revisions.htc support there phones pretty badly tbh,and as much as i love my desire s and this community i doubt very much i would purchase another one of the htc phones as it will carry on the same legacy i expect .

I think HTC will do nothing. They can't support all the phones they released which is why they've decided to take it slow
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I hope that HTC is still going to release an ICS update for Desire S, but that's probably false hope. HTC has released too many phones (about 5 different versions of the Sensation?) to provide support for every phone. They will just concentrate on the higher-end models, which unfortunately the Desire S isn't. Luckily there is a great community working hard to provide us with future updates

The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.

wnp_79 said:
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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what he said..... hit the nail on the head with that one

Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
The only reason i recommended the xperia ray was because he HAS to have a Vodafone upgrade. Vodafone's stock ROM on the desire s has that ludicrous 'pocket mode' forced on, and you can't turn it off. 8 hours battery life max. My dad ended up sending his back for that reason. He wouldn't let me root it!
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
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No mate, I wasn't ranting at you
I was criticizing HTC for their poor decision. If the XL is getting ICS, we should get it. We have the same specs.
Heck, even the 2010 phone, Desire HD has near identical specs as the XL. Even that, should get ICS..
Silly move by HTC.
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olyloh6696 said:
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.

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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.

Dont know about you guys but HTC has always been keep-the-customer-in-dark with Desire S. IMHO I dont know why they do it... I mean it came with sense 2.1 and 2.3 when I bought. After a while some patches and fotas were there but when we got sense 3.0 it was some guys phone which got updated made the news not a disclosure or say news by HTC that its been updated and which makes my geeky mind cheer in the doubt of my mind that we may recieve ICS officially
Now about the thing that here are devs that are doing a hard job to get ICS on ours and imo they have been succesful as in there-was-no-way-but-they-did-it successful. But think if theres an official update what might happen then? I am no dev or **** but as I understand that would made works on other roms ports a heck lot easier...

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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
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Good explanation, but keep in mind, the Desire Z did not receive the official Sense 3.0 update.
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olyloh6696 said:
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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This is pretty sad, if HTC won't upgrade our Desire S to ICS. I mean, Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup--and those have the same chipsets as our Desire S! SE's flagship for last year, the Xperia Arc, was launched around the same time frame as our Desire S, with virtually the same Qualcomm chipset. No way HTC can use that excuse, and they know it.
18 months is not yet up for this phone, so if Google is right, we should expect support/updates till around September or so of 2012. As much as I dislike Sense, HTC ought to be ashamed of itself if they won't give us ICS. I can imagine they're in a bind, because they are compelled to give us ICS, but don't want us playing around with the ICS'ed Sense 4.0 and would rather have us get newer, more expensive 4 inch slabs
Come on, HTC. Gain some goodwill among us. Roll out ICS and the latest Sense. You know it makes Sense

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Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup
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That's the way to go, but just as always magic will not happen and HTC Desire S probably will not get ICS update because of that politic, meanwhile Sony Ericsson goes more democratical way and releases updates for customers, not only "top list'' customers as HTC do. I respect HTC, but the point how they sorts updates by devices is to drastic, just too painful for user like us, who knows what their device is able to do, but they simply do not feed it. To be honest, if HTC Desire S will get official ICS update, then it will mean that HTC is changing their political statement and magic is happening.

You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?

rayulove69 said:
You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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dude, our posts are from days before the leak came out
But thanks for the effort I guess there will hopefully be a strong future for us!

wnp_79 said:
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"

Akishima said:
He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
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Well good news anyway:
HTC announced ICS officially for us!
YIPPEE!!!

[Discussion]HTC Update policy

Hi there,
I finally decided to open a thread for discussing the matter above, because I do not want the thread for officially validated info here be flooded by discussion, whining and bashing.
So everybody is invited tell us here, if he thinks that HTC sucks or whatever about the HTC ICS update.
My personal opinion is, that they don't. It is normal that development is delayed, and deadlines are shifted. They have to deliver an update, that is working out of the box without feedback from community testers and iterations like the custom roms here. And this is not only valid for Android kernel and drivers but also for the Sense 3.6 stuff. The only thing one could really blame em for imho is that they don't communicate the delay. On the other hand it is clear why they do not. If they officailly announce it, it will be all over tech press and blogs and even "normal" users, will know about not only the guys here (who are a minority in global sales). And this would also give the Android critics a voice again, and HTC has definetly no interest in that, so they shut up.
So, you got a working devices, which is able of everything you were promised when buying it. HTC will update it to ICS, even though they don't have to and there is no technical need. This is why I can't understand all this frustration. Of course, I prefer to have the update sooner than later, but this is life.
Just my 2 cents.

kwisatz79 said:
Hi there,
I finally decided to open a thread for discussing the matter above, because I do not want the thread for officially validated info here be flooded by discussion, whining and bashing.
So everybody is invited tell us here, if he thinks that HTC sucks or whatever about the HTC ICS update.
My personal opinion is, that they don't. It is normal that development is delayed, and deadlines are shifted. They have to deliver an update, that is working out of the box without feedback from community testers and iterations like the custom roms here. And this is not only valid for Android kernel and drivers but also for the Sense 3.6 stuff. The only thing one could really blame em for imho is that they don't communicate the delay. On the other hand it is clear why they do not. If they officailly announce it, it will be all over tech press and blogs and even "normal" users, will know about not only the guys here (who are a minority in global sales). And this would also give the Android critics a voice again, and HTC has definetly no interest in that, so they shut up.
So, you got a working devices, which is able of everything you were promised when buying it. HTC will update it to ICS, even though they don't have to and there is no technical need. This is why I can't understand all this frustration. Of course, I prefer to have the update sooner than later, but this is life.
Just my 2 cents.
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I agree, but it would not take HTC 30 seconds to keep us informed and so shut up the chatter.

al89nut said:
I agree, but it would not take HTC 30 seconds to keep us informed and so shut up the chatter.
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Unfortunately it wouldn't make any difference to the chatter. Can you imagine the comments we'd get posted on here if HTC did officially announce the ICS roll-out had slipped to August?
"Fu**ing Ba**ards - they keep lying to us"
"I paid for my phone. I deserve the update"
"I'm going to sue HTC for not giving me the update when they said they would"
"I'm never getting another HTC phone - they can't keep to the time-scales they promise"
etc, etc, ad nauseum

Nice thinking of starting a new thread for this....
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I think as long as we are getting an update..... It's cool cause an update released asap with out much testing and all will always hav many bugs n errors n people will be whining over that...... Bt what they can do was to release the kernal source from a certain point of development ...... For other devs to try.....
Thn again its ma personal opinion....
People hav their own mind
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My 12 month contract its due up this month. How well HTC support their existing customers is going to sway my decision on my next phone, & at the moment I'm leaning towards a Galaxy S 3.
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Sanddancer75 said:
My 12 month contract its due up this month. How well HTC support their existing customers is going to sway my decision on my next phone, & at the moment I'm leaning towards a Galaxy S 3.
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My contract ended 4 months ago now. I switched to a 30-day rolling contract with Three as there is no phone out that that I really want. The S3 has nice specs, but I don't like the way it looks, and it's a bit too big. The HTC OneX has nice specs, but no removable storage, and it's a bit too big.
I have decided that my next phone will, I hope, be the next Nexus. I have got my hands on the NExus 7 tablet recently, and it's amazing - if they can do something half as good for the next Google phone it will be a winner.
The 'Customer Service' side doesn't worry me. As soon as I get my hands on something I tend to root it and therefore risk the warranty. As for the whole ICS thing - it doesn't really worry me as I have no doubt we'll get it in the end. I am far more concerned with how good the hardware is and how much support it gets from the devs.

I don't really mind - I've got ISC with CyanogenMod 9 anyway. It would be nice to get an official update though. For me, the waiting time doesn't matter. I'm happy with CM9/other ICS roms for now.

Sanddancer75 said:
My 12 month contract its due up this month. How well HTC support their existing customers is going to sway my decision on my next phone, & at the moment I'm leaning towards a Galaxy S 3.
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You know, it's not so long ago that HTC was the darling of developers just because they built the G1, G2 and Nexus One. Meanwhile Samsung owners were waiting until the end of 2011 for the Galaxy S to be upgraded from Eclair to Froyo - that's nearly a year after 2.2 first appeared.
Sony Ericsson used to get a lot of stick too for not updating their Xperia line, but the more recent ones at least got kind-of-official support for unlocking long before HTC's 2011 models.
To be blunt, I think all the manufacturers are as bad as each other when it comes to unlocking and official updates; which is why my next phone will almost certainly be a Nexus.

njd said:
You know, it's not so long ago that HTC was the darling of developers just because they built the G1, G2 and Nexus One. Meanwhile Samsung owners were waiting until the end of 2011 for the Galaxy S to be upgraded from Eclair to Froyo - that's nearly a year after 2.2 first appeared.
Sony Ericsson used to get a lot of stick too for not updating their Xperia line, but the more recent ones at least got kind-of-official support for unlocking long before HTC's 2011 models.
To be blunt, I think all the manufacturers are as bad as each other when it comes to unlocking and official updates; which is why my next phone will almost certainly be a Nexus.
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Hard to disagree - seems good sense to go to the source, not drink downstream

http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...t-petition-for-timely-kernel-source-releases/

mexicorn said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...t-petition-for-timely-kernel-source-releases/
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The link gives Error 404: page not found
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amidabuddha said:
The link gives Error 404: page not found
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Not for me it doesn't

SimonTS said:
Not for me it doesn't
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It is OK now. Signed
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