No tablet I have had has had light leakage. Between myself and family members, I have had time with the Acer A500, the iPad 2, the iPad 3, the TF300, the TF700, and more, and not even to mention the number of phones and other electronics I have used. I have never had a device with light leakage until I purchased the TF700. I swapped a broken A500 for the TF300 (under the best buy protection plan) and used that for a bit, until I got the TF700T 64GB Gray Model and my wife took over the TF300 and got a dock for it. The first TF700 had light leakage, and it got worse over time, earlier tonight the Best Buy finally got some 32gb models in, and my wife swapped my TF700T out for me. The first exchanged model still had light leakage, and the second exchange model as well.
Ive spent the last day or so researching light leakage, particularly on the TF700T. While I am no stranger to light leakage, I wanted to see if there was anything unique or common about it with the TF700T. Below, I have included a graphic that I hope helps to sum up the culmination of my research.
Yes, I know there is at least one other post about this matter, but this post is more for information purposes and not query purposes.
If you have light leakage on your device, I encourage you to report it here, and report where on the device your light leakage is occurring. That was we can update the graphic as needed, and help keep this information post as information as possible.
Thank You.
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Mine has it, but really only noticeable during start up. Not really a psa, known issue. No point for the thread
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This may be just an isolated problem
I used to think that it was an isolated issue, until I started looking around, finding many reports for transformer models TF201 and TF700. Not to mention that in the images posted and the reports given, the leakage occurs at some of the same common locations.
I have had three of the TF700Ts that had light leakage. I would LOVE to find one that does not have light leakage, but it seems implausible. At this point, I may swap out for a galaxy note, but I do like the higher resolution.
Im glad to see that some people are not having this issue, but I wanted to post something for those that are, and to help consolidate the information that I found in many threads. I would like to hope that threads like this would be started for known issues, and not left to just random posts within random threads. Before I purchased my TF700T I would have LOVED it is someone posted more about known issues. Instead, all I read was great reviews, and now I am stuck going to and from the store trying to swap out my device for one that has no light leakage. Wasting gas and time and apparently annoying the hell out of the best buy employees.
It would definitely not help to describe what light leakage is...
Question: Is there any proper way to test for light bleed? I tried using the "Screen Test" app suggested in the graphic and my light bleed doesn't occur. However, I know I have a little during startup so I know it's there but it goes away so quickly I'm not able to get a good look as to the extent.
For those who want to complain about there even being a post with info on this matter, please feel free not to reply or comment. This post does not benefit from irrelevant and unhelpful replies. This post does not concern you. This post is for those of us who spent 400-600 bucks on a new tablet and have a "known issue" that should not be occurring on a 400-600 dollar device.
As for testing for light bleed. Keep in mind that light bleed is not an issue that will damage your device, but is more of a symptom of poor quality or potential other issues. However, minor light bleed is nothing to be concerned about. If you only notice it during boot, and no other time, than I would not be concerned with it. There are times that my light bleed is more prominent as well. Setting a black background and then checking it is also a good way to look at it. The best way is to get nothing but a black background, or as close to it as you can, and then being in as dark a room as possible.and turn brightness up as much as possible. This will help to clearly pinpoint bleed areas. Some people have also been known to use long exposure on a camera to capture the bleed.
For a little bleed, its really about how annoying it is and rather you care. However, too much light bleed, or bleed that is not around the edges, can be more indicative of a defective screen.
I also have light bleed in the same "Hotspots" that you've illustrated. Light bleed drives me nuts, but in this case, it's really only noticeable at boot-up when they set the brightness to full. It's not noticeable under normal use, unless you are *really* looking for and the brightness is set very high.
To be honest, if you don't notice it, there really is no need to "go looking for it" by turning up the brightness, sitting in a dark room with a black screen - who in the hell would normally do that!? Light bleed is a common issue on all sorts of devices and it is certainly not an Asus-only issue. Yes, even some the infamous iPads have light bleed.
Maybe you've been lucky as not *every* devices will have it, but the majority will have some amount of light bleed. As long as it doesn't bother you, don't worry about it! Obviously, if it's bad enough that you constantly see it (or it's in the middle of the screen or something like that, which is rare), then by all means exchange it, but I don't think we need to have everyone going through these stupid "try to find it" tests.
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Post pictures of your light bleed..so we can compare
jtrosky said:
I also have light bleed in the same "Hotspots" that you've illustrated. Light bleed drives me nuts, but in this case, it's really only noticeable at boot-up when they set the brightness to full. It's not noticeable under normal use, unless you are *really* looking for and the brightness is set very high.
To be honest, if you don't notice it, there really is no need to "go looking for it" by turning up the brightness, sitting in a dark room with a black screen - who in the hell would normally do that!? Light bleed is a common issue on all sorts of devices and it is certainly not an Asus-only issue. Yes, even some the infamous iPads have light bleed.
Maybe you've been lucky as not *every* devices will have it, but the majority will have some amount of light bleed. As long as it doesn't bother you, don't worry about it! Obviously, if it's bad enough that you constantly see it (or it's in the middle of the screen or something like that, which is rare), then by all means exchange it, but I don't think we need to have everyone going through these stupid "try to find it" tests.
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This is not meant as a witch hunt for light bleed. This is mainly to identify the details of the known issues, to inform the consumer. I never knew about this light bleed issue when I was reading reviews, but shortly after discovering the very noticeable light bleed issue on my device, I started seeing TONS of information coming from people having similar experiences.
The common issue with these posts has been the query as to whether this was normal or not? Should it be returned or exchanged? Why is it happening? Will it cause problems in the future? etc
I agree that we should not be sitting around trying to nitpick every pixel, but some people want to do that. It is up to the user. Not to mention that people should be aware of when there may be issues with their 400-600 dollar device. Though, part of the initial information was for people to understand that many of the devices suffer from some degree of light bleed. That way people are not freaking out, as I have been seeing them do on other posts and forums, when they see something small.
i have 2 infinities, i have one and my dad another, I have a very very tiny leak, maybe smaller then the size of the white part of your nail, its right above the bottom right corner and only visible at boot. My mom has an ipad that has much much more light bleed and my sister a toshiba thrive that seems to have bled out light everywhere. Toshiba is terrible, what a crappy tablet
Leakage as well.
I purchased a TF700 Grey 64GB from best buy. I had a LOT of bleed in mine. The lower left corner where the back and home buttons are was very bad. It was a large area about 2 x 2 inch triangle in that whole corner. There was 5 other quite noticable spots around the rest of the picture. 2 on top, one on the right and one on the bottom right corner (not nearly as bad as the lower left). So mine actually had a lot of bleed.
Now its wasnt overly noticeable in normal use, but when I fired up videos / movies and it got to darker scenes the lower left corner really stood out.
I just yesterday exchanged my TF700 for a TF300. The 300 has some very small bleed spots, but they arent nearly as bad as all the bleed I had on the 700. I did the exchange (party because of the bad bleed) and partly because I felt the 700 was fairly buggy in terms of software. Often sluggish on many apps. The 300 I feel is a better performer atm. Most apps run better / smoother for me. However I must admit that I do miss the higher resolution of the 700 screen. Oh almost forgot - a big deal was the battery life was terrible. Watching a video especially, even just browsing and jumping apps my battery drained FAST. I was only getting 4-5 hours. I did the full charge cycle as directed too.
My vote is that I like the performance of apps and general use better on the 300. However the extra res on the 700 was nice (minus the light bleed). Everyone says the software is supposed to get better, but the big problem is you never know just how long that can take. Can be anywhere from a month or two to six months to a year before the 700 will be fully optimized.
I feel very conflicted, lol. I want a 700, but the 300 is better atm.
I just received my new Asus TF700,and i see a lot of light bleed, this is my 3rd TF700 and I'm getting sick of these little minor details that Asus couldhave fix.
First one light bleed
Second one games flickering
3rd one light bleed...
What should i do?
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dmoney94 said:
I just received my new Asus TF700,and i see a lot of light bleed, this is my 3rd TF700 and I'm getting sick of these little minor details that Asus couldhave fix.
First one light bleed
Second one games flickering
3rd one light bleed...
What should i do?
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Are all your purchases from the same store?
Personally I'd give up and buy something different.
I no longer have my TF700. Havent had it for a while. Have the note 10.1 now. Absolutely LOVE it. Had a little bit of mild light leakage on one or two models, but its great now. However, I figured I should post the response I got back from ASUS about light leakage. Took them a while, and it is pretty bland and what you would expect to receive back. .... so nothing too exciting.
Good morning Mr. {EDITED},
I do apologize for the condition you have seen, regarding our tablets. At times, there can be production shipments that do have the same issues, since they were all manufacturered at the same time, causing defects such as this, to be evident. I want to assure you that this isn't the overall quality of our products, and if this was to happen after purchase, it would be rectified via repair, or replacement, directly from us.
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If there are any further questions or concerns you may have, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Craig Brown
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ASUSTek Computer Inc
I have light bleed in the same locations as the OP pointed out. Its especially evident because its mostly along the Android black status bar on the bottom. Sometimes I find myself rotating my tablet 180 degrees just so that its not as visible.
There isn't an option for me.
I get really bad light bleed when I turn on my tablet sometimes.
Then it fades away in a few seconds. I don't mean that I get used to it, it legitimately fades away. I have no idea how this is even possible.
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There isn't an option for me.
I get really bad light bleed when I turn on my tablet sometimes.
Then it fades away in a few seconds. I don't mean that I get used to it, it legitimately fades away. I have no idea how this is even possible.
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It's possible because during start-up the screen is at 100% brightness and then dims to what your settings are. Want to see it come back? Turn your brightness to 100%, hit the Super IPS button for good measure, and then go to your apps menu and look around the edges.
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It's possible because during start-up the screen is at 100% brightness and then dims to what your settings are. Want to see it come back? Turn your brightness to 100%, hit the Super IPS button for good measure, and then go to your apps menu and look around the edges.
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Definitely not.
This happens even when I set the brightness to a consistent level (no auto tuning). It happens no matter what brightness I set it to.
When I turn it on (from sleep mode), it has bad light bleed but then it fades away after leaving it on for about 20 seconds.
Just got mine in today. The initial boot showed what I would call some pretty significant leakage in the "hotspots" you showed, but once it got to the setup screen only one spot is barely noticeable. With the brightness almost halfway up it's still barely noticeable with normal use, is that considered "minor?" I haven't tried watching any videos yet so I don't know how annoying it will be with black bars at the bottom.
I'll try to take a picture of it, but so far I'm a bit relieved compared to what you first see when it boots up. That looked pretty bad.
EDIT: Here is a picture that doesn't necessarily even show what I see. The bleed in the upper left isn't near as bad as my eyes see, but the bottom is fairly close I think.
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Received my replacement transformer the other day and thought it was OK on initial inspection, in a darkened room.
But actually, when you pump the brightness up to full, looking at a black screen (downloaded a black jpeg to test it as in the galley app the software buttons fade out so you get a true picture) it is actually no better than the one I sent back.
So my question is, using that system - black jpeg, full brightness, is there anyone out there who has no light bleed, particularly around the bottom left hand corner?
Cos if there is, it looks like this baby is going back to Comet for a second replacement, and if everyone has it, then I guess I will have to assume its a manufacturing 'feature' and just live with it.
Cheers for your help folks.
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Glad there is somebody know knows how to test a LCD light bleed properly.
I have the exact same issue. Maybe its part of the design.
J
Check my post in the other light bleed thread. I'd be happy to explain more if you'd like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13478882&postcount=111
I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
Has anyone noticed a problem with going from manual brightness to auto, and it not auto adjusting?
No light bleed here.
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Zero light bleed for me as well.
at a very extreme angle i can see a little near the camera. doesn't bother me, i would have never noticed
markteacher said:
Received my replacement transformer the other day and thought it was OK on initial inspection, in a darkened room.
But actually, when you pump the brightness up to full, looking at a black screen (downloaded a black jpeg to test it as in the galley app the software buttons fade out so you get a true picture) it is actually no better than the one I sent back.
So my question is, using that system - black jpeg, full brightness, is there anyone out there who has no light bleed, particularly around the bottom left hand corner?
Cos if there is, it looks like this baby is going back to Comet for a second replacement, and if everyone has it, then I guess I will have to assume its a manufacturing 'feature' and just live with it.
Cheers for your help folks.
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I mean... you went through all that to find a defect? I know that we all want the perfect device but how often will the light bleed actually affect us?
I think I also have light bleed but I had to tilt the damn thing to find it and it seemed perfectly fine before reading these posts.
Does it really bother you that much that you're even willing to go through the hassle of exchanging it?
I first noticed it when I booted the tablet with the lights out in the room. I don't have any issues in normal use and it doesn't bother me enough that I'd want to send it back.
I just got my 32GB. I didn't notice it during the daytime, but at night I do see a little towards the top. But not to the point where it bothers me.
Got a couple of small spots along the bottom that i could live with only noticeable if you have light off and brightness at full, one of the corners has quite bad bleed, can see it on darkish screens without even turning lights off or even down.
Considering whether to return it.
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I mean... you went through all that to find a defect? I know that we all want the perfect device but how often will the light bleed actually affect us?
I think I also have light bleed but I had to tilt the damn thing to find it and it seemed perfectly fine before reading these posts.
Does it really bother you that much that you're even willing to go through the hassle of exchanging it?
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'All that' is not really all that to be honest. I downloaded a black jpeg and looked at it whilst sat here watching the telly, took about 30 seconds in all to show up a significant level of light leaking in from the bottom corner.
If you have to tilt your unit to find any light then its not going to be a problem for you. On mine it casts a glow on the bottom corner when I am sat with it on my lap in a normal living room with the table lamp on.
For me there is nothing wrong with wanting a perfect device, I am pretty sure that's what I paid for. Had it not been perfect then Comet would have it marked as 'seconds, and would have charged me quite a bit less.
As it is, it arrived direct from the factory with this defect, and as I have said before, on a £100 cheapie off eBay I would probably put up with it, but not at 400 quid.
Add to this, unless Asus receives units back to their factory with these issues pointed out they will be unaware of the problem and have no incentive to tighten up their manufacturing process.
I don't know what is going on over in the US, but I do know they are far less accepting of poor service/goods than we are in the UK, and if these problems exist in units being shipped over there they will be flying back to Asus at a great rate of knots, and this is with the Us Transformer costing CONSIDERABLY less than it does over here.
If you have a good one, I am happy for you, and slightly envious of you. I wish I did.
On the blue boot screen or setting screen there is massive light bleeding on right and left side (about 2 inches wide). However, when there is an image on the screen it looks fine. Unfortunately I don't have a wireless connection at home so I haven't tried putting any movies or 'black' jpegs on the device for further testing; but will do so tomorrow. My hope is that when playing movies it looks fine and if so I won't worry about it. Screen has good fidelity; speakers seem decent and unit feels lighter than the acer/xoom. Also build doesn't seem that bad.
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So far only immediate reactions are: Why didn't amazon put something in the shipping box like bubble wrap and what the @!#)(* no charging light? Even my $10 cell phone has a charging light.
I asked Asus phone support. They said there should be NO light bleed. I said a couple of times that mine is very slight, from the lower left corner, and he repeated that there shouldn't be any at all and that I should get a replacement.
I'm requesting a replacement anyway as my compass is broken, hopefully I can get one into my local Comet store so I can see for myself first.
A picture, as they say, paints a thousand words.
(and just to rub salt in the wound, discovered the gap along the side of the screen mentioned in another thread! 'Hello, is that Comet? I have something I need to discuss.....')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80pSCclf9Eg
Light bleed here as well
Just wanted to chime in and say I have it too. At first I didn't notice it because I had just got it.. but after a while I found my eye being drawn down to the edges where there was light bleeding through. Its an unwelcome distraction and this unite will no doubt be exchanged for another one.
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I did everything you said, and see no light bleed in mine. I just got mine today.
Has anyone noticed a problem with going from manual brightness to auto, and it not auto adjusting?
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Auto adjusting works when you turn the screen off then back on.
i feel all of you. One time I bought a car and one of the tire pressures was off by the time I got home. I took the car back to the dealer several times til they got the tire pressures right on all four tires. Took a month to get it right. The nerve of these manufacturers.
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i feel all of you. One time I bought a car and one of the tire pressures was off by the time I got home. I took the car back to the dealer several times til they got the tire pressures right on all four tires. Took a month to get it right. The nerve of these manufacturers.
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No, this is more like buying a new car and your car doors or windows not shutting fully.
Well, I finally received my Transformer 32GB today from Newegg and I must say that I am absolutely in love with it; despite some minor issues. Don't worry, I plan on doing a "first impressions" review shortly.
Anyways, I did notice some light bleed when looking for it and now I can't really seem to get over it. However, I tend to be a bit paranoid about things so I figured I would ask you guys for some advice before just asking for a replacement.
I took these pictures at full brightness in a completely dark room. For some reason, the camera seemed to have reduced the severity of the light bleed a bit (thought it would do the opposite). Basically, one can see light leakage on the bottom (to the right of the logo) and a couple on the middle of the right of the display.
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Would you guys get this replaced if you were me? My main concern is that the replacement yields even more leakage than the original.
PS - The bezel and screen seem to be perfectly aligned. I also have very little creaking near the right bezel.
I have some light bleed too, but only a little in the lower left corner. If mine were as bad as yours, I would replace. Yours is affecting 25% of your screen or more...
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Man, I am having the same problem. Every day I have the dilemma " should I replace it? - but I love it so much and what if the next one is crap"
Lol, tough call.
If you bought it from a good retailer (one that doesn't charge a restocking fee, I say go for the swap, since light bleeds are a sign of a defect)
Unfortunately for me, my retailer was crappy and charges 15% to restock, which means 75$ just to replace the device. Thumbs way down
Mine has bleeding on the left and right side of the screen, but I really only see it when I'm rebooting and the black screen comes on. I have not ran into any issues while using the tablet where I notice the bleeding so I don't really think its that big of a deal unless your watching a dark movie maybe.
Honestly dude, just listen to your common sense. Disregard what I or anybody else on these forums may say to you. The majority of people here lack sense which leads them to constantly complain about minor issues.
Think to yourself first would you have notices this without the help of this forum?
Does the issue harm the performance of the device?
Does it take away from the devices beauty?
Will any of your friends or family notice?
These among other questions are what you should ponder before making a decision...
I can tell you from my experience as being one of the first people to own a Tmobile G1, Mytouch and Sprint Evo 4g as well as an owner of many other devices including laptops, tvs, cars, radios, video game systems, video games, etc etc etc... You can return and exchange all you want but you will never find the PERFECT(Definition:Make (something) completely free from faults or defects) device or product...
Good Luck with your decision!
Wow... thanks for all your comments. I was expecting some "C'mon... another one of these?!" threads.
@gadgetfan: For some reason the blushing on the bottom right and left corners are not visible at all. I think it was some crazy processing that my camera did. Maybe due to the white text on those areas and the angle the pictures were taken. I only really notice the 1"-long bleeds on the bottom and right of the screen.
I ordered mine from Newegg so I know I'm good on getting it replaced. The problem is when will it actually get replaced? And if it does get replaced, will it be worst then the current one?
I was thinking of maybe waiting for it to get back in stock and try to snatch another one and seeing how that one is in comparison, then returning the worst of the two. Do you think these retailers would actually notice which is which inside the box?!
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Do you think these retailers would actually notice which is which inside the box?!
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Isn't there a serial number on the box and on the unit. They should match.
The box isn't an issue as I can send the new box with the older unit in it. I highly doubt they'll be matching serial numbers as they usually send these off to the manufacturer to get refurbished anyways. If they ask, I can always tell them I accidentally swapped them by mistake. Right?!
sadly i have many stuck pixels but thanks for the fixel density they are only seen on a black screen, but BLACK, so i dont care i can live with that, or well sell it over here when they start to sell them here
edit: after using a simple app that shows many different colors, man the stuck pixels are on a black screen, no in every color (i have seen stuck pixels on my psp so i know when the problem its serious).
it doesnt affects me that much i can live with it.
the light bleed its minimal like 5%. low creacks.
in overall im happy
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The box isn't an issue as I can send the new box with the older unit in it. I highly doubt they'll be matching serial numbers as they usually send these off to the manufacturer to get refurbished anyways. If they ask, I can always tell them I accidentally swapped them by mistake. Right?!
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Why not just send in the old unit with the old box? I doubt newegg scans the S/N.
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sadly i have many stuck pixels but thanks for the fixel density they are only seen on a black screen, but BLACK, so i dont care i can live with that, or well sell it over here when they start to sell them here
edit: after using a simple app that shows many different colors, man the stuck pixels are on a black screen, no in every color (i have seen stuck pixels on my psp so i know when the problem its serious).
it doesnt affects me that much i can live with it.
the light bleed its minimal like 5%. low creacks.
in overall im happy
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Stuck/dead pixels drive me crazy. Once I see them it's as if I ALWAYS notice them. I replaced my 21.5 inch monitor and my G-Tablet because of one stuck pixel. I figure if I can get a free replacement then I'm going to replace it until I get a "perfect' one.
To the OP, the light bleed looks pretty bad. Personally I'd try to to replace it.
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Stuck/dead pixels drive me crazy. Once I see them it's as if I ALWAYS notice them. I replaced my 21.5 inch monitor and my G-Tablet because of one stuck pixel. I figure if I can get a free replacement then I'm going to replace it until I get a "perfect' one.
To the OP, the light bleed looks pretty bad. Personally I'd try to to replace it.
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well since i dont see a dead pixel outside of a black screen i dont care, and my eyes hurts after going trough a RGB series of colors @[email protected] testing if i could see them
and im not up to pay the cost of the shipping to get a replacemnet
I wouldn't think twice about replacing it if I found a single stuck pixel on anything I own. Bleeds are hit or miss as some are way less noticeable than others.
Can anyone here honestly say that their TF is completely free of any light bleeds? If so, can they prove it?
Not to hijack the thread but this seems related:
I just picked up a 32gig model last night from a local retailer and there's a small (1mm-ish) gap between the bezel and the screen right where the hdmi port is.
There's a little light bleed in that area, which honestly doesn't bother me, but I am worried about dust getting in that gap.
Worthy of a return or am I worrying too much?
I would return it if mine had any gap whatsoever.
BTW, I just ordered one from WalMart and I'll compare it to the one I already have. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.
The creak on the bottom right drives me nuts. The rear of the unit actually flexes around that area. Just doesn't feel very good. I also have issues with the touch screen not responding. I was going to make a topic on it, hoping it was just mine, but I guess it's just a transformer thing and I should either deal with it or return it and find something else.
In all my years of being a computer/gadget geek, I just haven't been able to wrap my head around the huge issue people have with light bleed. Just how many people sit in pure darkness everyday just to watch movies? I wish I had enough time to do this just so I could be mad at having light bleed. If the movies filled up the entire screen (some don't) then it should barely be an issue. The only time it's really noticeable is full brightness on a solid black picture.
What does it look like on a non-completely black screen?
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I would return it if mine had any gap whatsoever.
BTW, I just ordered one from WalMart and I'll compare it to the one I already have. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.
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Thanks for the input. I just wanted another opinion to make sure I wasn't being overly paranoid.
They're sold out again but I'm on the list for an exchange once they get more.
From my experience, I've seen 3 tablets, there is bad light bleed and tolerable light bleed. Soft light bleed is very tolerable and looks like a dull half circle of light, however, I've seen light bleed where it is a sharp bright light which looks like a triangle and completely bugged the hell out of me.
I would definitely return a creaky bezel. My 1st one had it and that is where the worst light bleed was. Pressing that point made the light bleed change. My other 2 had no creaking.
Just a suggestion, watch a dark movie, such as "The Dark Knight" and see if the light bleed bothers you. If not, keep it, otherwise exchange it. I believe movies are where it will be the most bothersome.
that is the question. I've been using my 32 GB Transformer since it arrived on May 12, and I have to say that overall I'm a huge fan. Since I have seen so much on these boards about the various QC issues, I gave my tablet the once-over almost immediately. The speakers seem fine, no SoD, etc. The only defects I found were about 4 points of light along the left and bottom of the tablet when held in landscape. These show up at about 80-100% brightness with a dark background (not a black jpg), and are not terribly invasive. However, as I use the tablet more, it is a bit annoying just to know they're there. I've also experienced a bit of screen flicker (only with Angry Birds so far), but suspect that this may be more of a software/rendering issue. So the question I have to ask myself is "Do I send it back?" I've heard a number of stories on these boards and elsewhere of people who RMA'ed, waited, and got back a poorer product than they started with. I can live with a little light bleed, but I'm not sure I want to. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
--SemTechie
I'm kind of in the same boat. I've got a single hot pixel and obvious light bleed that is mainly noticable with black/dark backgrounds. If I send it back to the retailer I could end up waiting a month or MORE for a replacement that may have the same or worse issues. And then what happens? Would the retailer take it back and keep this back-and-forth game up till I recieved a tablet that has no isses? I doubt it. I'm thinking that maybe I should call Asus and see what they have to say about the backlight bleed on the tablet.
No matter what you do you will be taken care of, if you RMA it now or in 6 months from now. Asus has great warranty support. They even pay for the shipping away to them for RMA. Most companies make you eat that cost.
Seems like the QC issues are widespread throughout the TF supply, which means the manufacturing process is flawed / needs correction. So, RMA'ing now might not yield good results. Might be better to wait a couple months to RMA, assuming that ASUS would actually address and correct the QC issues.
I've noticed some light bleed in a couple spots when cranking up the brightness, but since I don't usually have the brightness over 50% and I don't tend to stare at black backgrounds I'm just brushing it off....for now. When I read that customers are getting TF's RMA'd w/ new TF's w/out any issues, then I'll consider RMA'ing.
I am also waiting to RMA.
My HDMI port is really unreliable and the connection will be detected and dropped constantly if you touch it at all. If you jiggle it just the right way it will immediately put the tab into a SOD. I've already called ASUS to get the issue on record but I told them I'm waiting to RMA until after I've heard of other's successfully repair experiences.
I only have very minor light bleed and a tiny creak in the top left of the chassis, both a non-issues but the HDMI port sucking really bothers me.
Light bleed is pretty common to bigger ips displays. Do a search for iPad light bleed and you will see what I mean.
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However, as I use the tablet more, it is a bit annoying just to know they're there.
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This is exactly the problem. People go looking for trouble, and trouble is what they'll find.
I'm having same issue. At first I didnt' want to think of it and didn't try to look for it. But whenever I start some apps and the screen is dark. I can see som light bleed on the side and one very annoying one in the middle of the screen about an inch long. I can live with the sides...but in the middle of the screen is pretty hard to accept.
I have read a lot about the heat and reboots. And that amazon suspended selling for a few days, and now they are 50 bucks cheaper than when I initially ordered it.
So it is a bust? Will a new custom ROM help it? Or are we all thinking of sending them back?
I've had contact with Acer and they state that the tablet should not randomly reboot while having it in your hand. I'm sending my tablet to Acer for them to have a look at it. Also, my screen seems to have ajusted a little because of the heat. When booting, the brightness is going to 100% and with the black background (which is normal), you can see some kind of glowish corner on the bottom right. When pressing softly on the back, you can see it getting slightly more glowish (this happens also on the upper left corner, but that's normal I guess. Didn't happen on the other corners though..?). It's not that noticable, but it looks like something is pushing the display a little and when pushing the back softly strengthened it. You can't see it when using the tablet normally, neither will you see it very well in daylight, but still it concerns me. I want a replacement tablet, not a "we (may) have fixed your tablet (and the glow is still there)"..
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The ambient light is on the upper left is just a reflection. The bottom right is certainly not. This photo was taken just after the tablet rebooted itself (playing games for an hour whilst charging (just to test if it would crash. It took a while this time).
The price is still the same as before on Amazon as far as i can tell. While the heat issue does suck i guess you have to make the choice if you need to return it. If its really that bad for you then you should return it and go with the Asus. I don't know what I'm doing at this point, still have some time to decide.
I'm really bummed to say it, but I'm reluctantly throwing in the towel and will be returning the A700 this coming week.
My decision came down to heat. While it's "usable" now, excessive heat over time will cause greater wear & tear on the base components. I don't want to take on that risk over time, especially since I'm much more of a power user.
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I'm really bummed to say it, but I'm reluctantly throwing in the towel and will be returning the A700 this coming week.
My decision came down to heat. While it's "usable" now, excessive heat over time will cause greater wear & tear on the base components. I don't want to take on that risk over time, especially since I'm much more of a power user.
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Yeah, I am going to send mine back as well. Probably July 2nd is when I will send it back.
I will miss not having a tab until the Infinity comes out, but it seems that buying the Infinity is the best choice for me...
i bought mine at microcenter went 110 miles one way to get it and this thing is having issues keeping up with typing using google voice, comcast tv doesn't work, it gets hot as hell when watching 1080p videos and the response on the touchscreen sucks you gotta tap it pretty hard to get it to respond 80% of the time and on top of that microcenter is no longer selling it.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0393117
so i am done.
It seemed odd from the start the 700 was priced the same as the 510.
ya, well you would a thought they'd been smart and fixed it.
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I've had contact with Acer and they state that the tablet should not randomly reboot while having it in your hand. I'm sending my tablet to Acer for them to have a look at it. Also, my screen seems to have ajusted a little because of the heat. When booting, the brightness is going to 100% and with the black background (which is normal), you can see some kind of glowish corner on the bottom right. When pressing softly on the back, you can see it getting slightly more glowish (this happens also on the upper left corner, but that's normal I guess. Didn't happen on the other corners though..?). It's not that noticable, but it looks like something is pushing the display a little and when pushing the back softly strengthened it. You can't see it when using the tablet normally, neither will you see it very well in daylight, but still it concerns me. I want a replacement tablet, not a "we (may) have fixed your tablet (and the glow is still there)"..
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The ambient light is on the upper left is just a reflection. The bottom right is certainly not. This photo was taken just after the tablet rebooted itself (playing games for an hour whilst charging (just to test if it would crash. It took a while this time).
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my tablet also has that glow at the bottom right where it gets hot and it also has bubbles in that area when you press on the screen.
Well, it sure looks like I will be without a tab for a bit..
Are we all going to shoot for the Asus Infinity? I sure am.
Yes, only if the GPS works somewhat ^_^
Well, I created my Return label to amazon.
I am going to just get my money back and wait for the infinity and order that...I hope there is no massive shortage....It will suck not having a tab for awhile. I absolutely have become big time dependent on having one.
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Well, it sure looks like I will be without a tab for a bit..
Are we all going to shoot for the Asus Infinity? I sure am.
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Already placed a preorder for the TF700 & this is going back the 2nd or 3rd.
Such is the life of the early adopter.
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well,
.. i also have some heat issues on my a700, but i still find it a very interesting Tab .. i don't have all of the described software issues or crushes (till now .. lol) .. so .. i'm going to keep mine
.. i don't know if all the other (still to come) tabs will be better or worse, but i learned one thing .. from that what it is rumored and anounced before the first selling day, you can believe just the half .. and for the second, don't trust the 'unboxing' and 'first hands on' youtube vids .. they just show the 'ideal' and 'virgin' conditions of a product, where everything is 'fast and smooth' .. the flaws and litlle drawbacks are seen after two or three weeks of use, and that's a realistic time to say something valueble about a product ..
.. anyway .. i find that the a700 is a shot worth, so as allready sayed, i'm keeping mine and i will continue to heavyly 'missuse' it on dayly bases .. that's how (we all) will find out what it can take, or not .. and for how long ..
I am keeping mine, apart from some warmth I am completely happy with it. The ONLY other thing out there comparable would be the iPad, or the upcoming Asus TF700, but I don't like Apple and don't really want to go that route, besides you have no expandable memory, the restrictive iOS, no HDMI or USB ports, and the cheapest you can get one is 500 bucks (16 GB version), and I had an Asus TF300 and it felt cheaply built and had it's own heat and backlight bleeding issues. There is a member on here in Switzerland who actually has a TF700 in hand (they are out there), and he said it feels similarly cheaply built, flexes/gives a lot and just don't live up to the hype Asus is trying to build, I am not about to pay 500 bucks for that, I want it to feel solid, not like an East German Trabant or Yugoslav Yugo.
So, while it may not be pefect I think it's probably one of the best out there, the screen on it is AMAZING, and Acer is pretty good about releasing updates to fix issues, so I think it will only improve with time. The build quality on the Acer's is far better than Asus's, Asus's just feel cheap and plastic, not at all what I would expect for a "premium" tablet. I will definitely be keeping track of the mid July release of the Asus TF700 in the US, but so far it doesn't sound like it's worth my money, besides $450 is already pushing it for a tablet as far as I'm concerned, If you are going to spend more than that you might as well get a full featured laptop. I wish you all the best of luck, but I bet my A700 only gets better with age
I do hope more buy and keep them, we need some developers working on it, if everybody leaves, well, it kinda throws a kink in the hose for the rest of us staying with a A700.
Edit-I actually had an A510, I returned it for the Asus TF300, but then sent that back and came back to Acer with the Acer A700, so at least for me the Asus Tablets are less than impressive. The iPad, TF300, A700, etc, all have issues, backlight bleeding, cheap build, heat, wifi dropping, the list goes on, maybe someday they'll come up with one without major issues, but so far it seems to be just the way it is.
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"The Good:
The Pad itself has phenomenal build quality. Extremely solid - better than the Prime, even (more below).
What happens when you take a fast CPU and fast RAM, and make both even faster? Speed. Demon.
The tablet is finally backward-compatible, in this case with the TF201 dock. (Or the TF201's dock is forward-compatible. However you want to look at it.)
Asus's customizations are relatively few and tasteful. Most of the widgets are nice and customizations to the control panel are helpful - especially the control toggles and power modes.
The company cut no corners with the screen, and it shows; it's just plain beautiful. It's super crisp with no discernable pixels or lines, and produces accurate, gorgeous colors. It's very, very reminiscent of the best-in-class display on the HTC One X, just bigger.
The Bad:
The screen produces so much glare it's almost a mirror, and it borderline actively seeks out smudge marks.
The dock's build quality isn't exactly "bad," but it does feel a little chintzy.
Speaking of the dock, it doesn't seem to... dock... reliably. There were numerous times where it just spontaneously lost connection, then regained connection a few seconds later.
For some reason, it won't recognize my microSDXC card, though the TF201 and TF300 both do. Weird.
My unit shipped without the Play Store installed. That's a pretty major oopsie, though thankfully it only took a reset in order to fix it. From what I understand, mine was the only one with this issue, but I'd be remiss not to mention it.
This is the fourth Transformer in a row in which they still haven't addressed the light bleed.
This is the fourth Transformer in a row in which they still haven't addressed the ultra-sensitive, ultra-disruptive trackpad that doesn't recognize and ignore palm brushes.
Much more unforgivably, it's the third Transformer in a row in which they put the speaker on the wrong side and pointed it the wrong way for good measure."
Full review here-
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/06/25/asus-transformer-infinity-wifi-review/
So, while it may be better than the A700 in some areas, it's worse in others. If you're expecting perfection in the TF700, I'm afraid you won't find it.
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I've had contact with Acer and they state that the tablet should not randomly reboot while having it in your hand. I'm sending my tablet to Acer for them to have a look at it. Also, my screen seems to have ajusted a little because of the heat. When booting, the brightness is going to 100% and with the black background (which is normal), you can see some kind of glowish corner on the bottom right. When pressing softly on the back, you can see it getting slightly more glowish (this happens also on the upper left corner, but that's normal I guess. Didn't happen on the other corners though..?). It's not that noticable, but it looks like something is pushing the display a little and when pushing the back softly strengthened it. You can't see it when using the tablet normally, neither will you see it very well in daylight, but still it concerns me. I want a replacement tablet, not a "we (may) have fixed your tablet (and the glow is still there)"..
Edit:
Check out this photo:
The ambient light is on the upper left is just a reflection. The bottom right is certainly not. This photo was taken just after the tablet rebooted itself (playing games for an hour whilst charging (just to test if it would crash. It took a while this time).
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You are going to get as much, maybe more light bleed on the TF700, see the review link above.
The Asus Infinity is in my country expansive (WiFi 64 GB = $785!!), so that's not going to be it for me. I've been lucky with the $545 I spent on this device. It was a few days later $595.
I'm returning it for repair. Actually, I want another one which hasn't got that heat and crash problem + backlight bleeding. I really like the tablet and I am willing to keep it, if those 2 problems mentioned before don't show up on my replacement tablet (if I'm getting one). Again, Acer is willing to test my tablet and I hope so that they're going to send me a brand new one.
are some of you guys thinking that ACER might possibly release a Software update to resolve some of these issues?
I am, but the heat issue is most of the times an hardware problem. Though, it could have been a software issue, but since Acer is willing to take the tablet back for research (because of the crashing when playing a game whilst charging and holding the tablet in hand), it doesn't look like it is a software issue. The backlight bleeding is caused by the battery swelling up or something? Anyways, something is pushing the back of the display. Also a hardware issue. Though I seem to be (with one exeption) the only one who has the backlight bleeding as far as I know. Acer said (anyways, that's what I read) to roll out an update which will solve the lag problem (lag as in full HD video, reading pdfs, browsing etc.).
I am really confused, when i read a negative comment i hate my device and want to sell it,however when i read positive comment i change my mind, get happy and want to keep it. And are we really returning our devices to buy an unknown device(not released)? Maybe it is worse and full of problems. Also, a big prove is that asus is now for software and hardware problems, there system mostly crash and force close to reach weak signals in both wifi and gps. Btw i am not facing any problems only slight heat. Is it worth the return, and wait all over again? I am not really sure. I think we should wait till acer release software update maybe it will cure some bugs. What do you think, i should make my decision but till now i am swinging between both tablets? I read on asus transformer prime and tf300 flashing screens bright spots, where these bugs fixed or not in infinity
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I am really confused, when i read a negative comment i hate my device and want to sell it,however when i read positive comment i change my mind, get happy and want to keep it. And are we really returning our devices to buy an unknown device(not released)? Maybe it is worse and full of problems. Also, a big prove is that asus is now for software and hardware problems, there system mostly crash and force close to reach weak signals in both wifi and gps. Btw i am not facing any problems only slight heat. Is it worth the return, and wait all over again? I am not really sure. I think we should wait till acer release software update maybe it will cure some bugs. What do you think, i should make my decision but till now i am swinging between both tablets? I read on asus transformer prime and tf300 flashing screens bright spots, where these bugs fixed or not in infinity
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I have had the Asus TF101 and TF 201.
The 101 was fine...But had a lot of lag issues. The 201 had massive backlight issues. It was not impressive at all.
The Acer A700 has a fantastic screen. Best that I have ever seen. And only mild heat. I am doing exactly what you are doing. Back and forth. I guess Ill sleep on it tonight and go from there..
Some others are correct. Asus has had their issues with hardware as well..
@the above 2 posts. It sounds like you both have A700s without the crash issue. If I were you I would definitely keep the tablet. Mild heat is normal and if it doesn't get worrying hot and it doesn't crash , you could to look to other negative comments or just be happy with the tab
Anyone who already has the 700, could you wave your hand in front of your screen to see it you can see afterimages of your hand? I need to know this, that issue bugged the hell out of me on my prime.
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What? I LOL'ed -- it only does that when I'm watching pr0n.
Seriously: do you mean the screen's glossiness? Yes, it is higly reflective, but not to the extent that it bothers me when watching photographs, video, and the like (whether adult or more socially acceptable material, hahaha!).
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What? I LOL'ed -- it only does that when I'm watching pr0n.
Seriously: do you mean the screen's glossiness? Yes, it is higly reflective, but not to the extent that it bothers me when watching photographs, video, and the like (whether adult or more socially acceptable material, hahaha!).
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No, I'm talking more about the effect that you get from old crt tvs, I wanted to know if the screens refresh hertz was adequate.
I know what you're talking about, I did that a lot as a kid in front of the old TV. The idea is that lower refresh rates make it look like your can see several "after images" of your hand as you wave it back and forth between your eyes and the TV screen. A higher refresh rate eliminates this as it surpasses your eyes' ability to distinguish each screen refresh.
Can someone with 20/20 or better vision test this out with the tf700?
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Can someone with 20/20 or better vision test this out with the tf700?
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You know that modern displays are completely different from those old crts, right? The refresh rate no longer measures picture 'stability', only max displayed fps.
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You know that modern displays are completely different from those old crts, right? The refresh rate no longer measures picture 'stability', only max displayed fps.
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Yeah I know. But on my prime, the effect was like an old CRT and that really pissed the hell outta me. It's probably just OCD but I wanna know.
It doesn't do it its perfect.. only if you press hard on the screen you'll get marks on your digitizer( only on white surfaces) which are going away really hard but if you close the screen or move the picture text anything in that place it goes away , not N issue because you kind of have to press hard.. but worth noting though
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It doesn't do it its perfect.. only if you press hard on the screen you'll get marks on your digitizer( only on white surfaces) which are going away really hard but if you close the screen or move the picture text anything in that place it goes away , not N issue because you kind of have to press hard.. but worth noting though
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No hand aftetimages? Thanks man, looks like I will buy then.
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No hand aftetimages? Thanks man, looks like I will buy then.
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I am not entirely sure what you mean with hand after images
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Hi Guys,
I have a screen related question though not the same as the OP (hope you don't mind me asking here!). The TF700 is my first tablet purchase so I've 0 experience with them.
When I have a mainly white screen and the tablet is in landscape mode I can see faint verticle lines all across the screen. They move if I move my head. Is this normal for a screen of this type or should I be concerned? It's not very noticeable but I find myself focusing on it every time I pick up the tablet
I'm not sure if I could take a picture of it, will try this evening when I get home.
Thanks,
Phil
Dub Tech said:
Hi Guys,
I have a screen related question though not the same as the OP (hope you don't mind me asking here!). The TF700 is my first tablet purchase so I've 0 experience with them.
When I have a mainly white screen and the tablet is in landscape mode I can see faint verticle lines all across the screen. They move if I move my head. Is this normal for a screen of this type or should I be concerned? It's not very noticeable but I find myself focusing on it every time I pick up the tablet
I'm not sure if I could take a picture of it, will try this evening when I get home.
Thanks,
Phil
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Hi Phil,
I have no vertical lines on my screen when the rendered background is uniform. I did notice that on this screen even the slightest smudge (mainly fingerprints) does show up very clearly. I have taken to using the keyboard wherever possible to avoid feeling like a window cleaner. Have you tried using a definitively white background to test? (Else it may be that you have just amazing eyesight, or that I have bad eyesight -- I believe the latter option is more probable since my not entirely satisfactory laser eye surgery. :crying: If so, we'll both have something to just cope with. )
Sorry about your laser surgery, mine went really well thankfully. Cost over €2k per eye but have better than 20/20 now so it was money well spent imo
The lines are more easily seen when the background is white (like on this forum) but if I look hard they can be seen on other colours too. I hope my camera will be able to pick it up later so you can judge for yourself.
The cloth which comes with the Infinity is a very good one, so it's a must-must to have it with you while carrying the Infinity
Using the stylus is fun too, but this is of course not for all purposes.
I'm thinking it could be due to a gap between the gorilla glass and the screen. When I put some force on the screen I dont see the lines in that area. Has anyone reported issues like this before with other Asus tablets?.. its annoying me now
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Ok so I asked two people if they could see any lines on my screen and only 1 of them could just about make them out after I explained the easiest way to see them. The second person couldn't see them at all.
Now I'm getting a little paranoid, are all tabs like this but most people just don't notice, or do I have a bad build?
Can anyone with good eyesight and a TF700T please check this again for me?
In the forum with a mainly white background and your tablet in landscape mode, twist the tablet slowly left and right infront of your eyes (tilt it up if you like to reduce reflection) and tell me if you can see any faint verticle lines on your screen. They will move left and right as you twist the tablet back and forth.
I can only assume its due to some kind of reflection between the screen and the gorilla glass.
What I'm trying to decide is whether I should return this for a refund or replacement. Right now I'm thinking refund but I'd like a tablet for my trip to Cologne during the first weekend in August
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Just return it mate.
Dub Tech said:
Ok so I asked two people if they could see any lines on my screen and only 1 of them could just about make them out after I explained the easiest way to see them. The second person couldn't see them at all.
Now I'm getting a little paranoid, are all tabs like this but most people just don't notice, or do I have a bad build?
Can anyone with good eyesight and a TF700T please check this again for me?
In the forum with a mainly white background and your tablet in landscape mode, twist the tablet slowly left and right infront of your eyes (tilt it up if you like to reduce reflection) and tell me if you can see any faint verticle lines on your screen. They will move left and right as you twist the tablet back and forth.
I can only assume its due to some kind of reflection between the screen and the gorilla glass.
What I'm trying to decide is whether I should return this for a refund or replacement. Right now I'm thinking refund but I'd like a tablet for my trip to Cologne during the first weekend in August
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Yes, I can see some very, very (VERY!) faint lines but I have to really look for them. Won't ever bother me, and I haven't seen them before you explained how to "make" them. Probably to do with reflections, yes. Yours might be defective from the sound of it. That, or you're very sensitive to these things
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Dub Tech said:
Ok so I asked two people if they could see any lines on my screen and only 1 of them could just about make them out after I explained the easiest way to see them. The second person couldn't see them at all.
Now I'm getting a little paranoid, are all tabs like this but most people just don't notice, or do I have a bad build?
Can anyone with good eyesight and a TF700T please check this again for me?
In the forum with a mainly white background and your tablet in landscape mode, twist the tablet slowly left and right infront of your eyes (tilt it up if you like to reduce reflection) and tell me if you can see any faint verticle lines on your screen. They will move left and right as you twist the tablet back and forth.
I can only assume its due to some kind of reflection between the screen and the gorilla glass.
What I'm trying to decide is whether I should return this for a refund or replacement. Right now I'm thinking refund but I'd like a tablet for my trip to Cologne during the first weekend in August
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda app-developers app
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hey i really think that the faint vertical lines against white bg is just an illusion created from the viewer's perspective it maybe how a human brain signals itself to hey please stop concentrating on something that isn't there.
its just my opinion though.
Are the vertical lines really thick or thin??
jdefi3ebuggdsf32 said:
hey i really think that the faint vertical lines against white bg is just an illusion created from the viewer's perspective it maybe how a human brain signals itself to hey please stop concentrating on something that isn't there.
its just my opinion though.
Are the vertical lines really thick or thin??
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I can see the lines on any light coloured background, just easier to see on the white. They're about 1-2cm wide.
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Yes, I can see some very, very (VERY!) faint lines but I have to really look for them. Won't ever bother me, and I haven't seen them before you explained how to "make" them. Probably to do with reflections, yes. Yours might be defective from the sound of it. That, or you're very sensitive to these things
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I'm hoping it's a defective screen rather than my sensitivity to them. I can see the lines every time I type an email or open a forum etc and it's driving me crazy. This is my first tablet and I'm enjoying its portability but not at the expense of a bad display - especially when it's being trumpeted as the best tablet display yet.
Will call Komplett tomorrow and see what they say. I'm still covered by 14 Day guarantee so I'll be refunded either way.