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stock UCLB3 > any other ROM

With stock ROM I get:
• 2-3 day battery life
• All apps work
• Strongest signal
• 100% working wifi
• fastest overall, zero load time for almost everything
• and finally I don't need to install gapps or anything
With any other ROM I get:
• Possibly 1 day battery life
• Orgasm if I get any signal at all
• Wifi works completely on one in a billion roms, flaky on most
• Bluetooth rarely works
• No fix for any issues on ROMs that don't have major devs working on them
• Some apps don't work, and on a few ROMs some apps even kill the system and make it hot reboot
• Lag like it's a 3-year-old donut phone with the processor speed of a retarded potato with AIDS
• some need gapps, which is annoying to re-install every time you update, which also, you have to do every few days instead of once a year
So my conclusion is that screw custom ROMs. It might just be my device but that's how it plays out. I'll be much more careful to buy a phone that will have real support in the future, like the SGS II, Captivate, and SGS III do/will have.
Oh yeah and about my sig, that is the only ROM that I've gotten close to working 100%. And he's not a gtg, but he's got more support than big devs like that ever did, so if you're a sheep and need to use custom ROMs go with MoM.
/rant

I apologize, but I strongly detest the statement. I do respect every bit of what you have said, but I really do think that it is just a matter of personal use.
I have ran Aeon and other amazing custom ROMs and so far the best I have tried was Zeus 6. There are a few kinks, but hey-- it works!
Consequently, though, it's all a matter of personal preference. Some people prefer the debloated stock and customize it their own (i.e., build.prop tweaks, etc).
What I am getting at here is that there is no need to bash other custom ROMs. Although you did not point your finger on any specific one, but it really means a lot for people to like the developers' work. It's an Android Device... This is the main reason we got this: open source.

Wayzate...your really looking to get flamed...lol
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Wayzate...your really looking to get flamed...lol
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As if I didn't know that already. :silly:
Crinkypops said:
I apologize, but I strongly detest the statement. I do respect every bit of what you have said, but I really do think that it is just a matter of personal use.
I have ran Aeon and other amazing custom ROMs and so far the best I have tried was Zeus 6. There are a few kinks, but hey-- it works!
Consequently, though, it's all a matter of personal preference. Some people prefer the debloated stock and customize it their own (i.e., build.prop tweaks, etc).
What I am getting at here is that there is no need to bash other custom ROMs. Although you did not point your finger on any specific one, but it really means a lot for people to like the developers' work. It's an Android Device... This is the main reason we got this: open source.
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I didn't really say anything bad about any specific ROM. Only specific ROM I mentioned is MoM and it was only to say something good.

wayzata said:
As if I didn't know that already. :silly:
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Seriously...if you need attention go else where.

Well I can put g appz in the /data/app partition
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wayzata said:
With stock ROM I get:
• 2-3 day battery life
• All apps work
• Strongest signal
• 100% working wifi
• fastest overall, zero load time for almost everything
• and finally I don't need to install gapps or anything
With any other ROM I get:
• Possibly 1 day battery life
• Orgasm if I get any signal at all
• Wifi works completely on one in a billion roms, flaky on most
• Bluetooth rarely works
• No fix for any issues on ROMs that don't have major devs working on them
• Some apps don't work, and on a few ROMs some apps even kill the system and make it hot reboot
• Lag like it's a 3-year-old donut phone with the processor speed of a retarded potato with AIDS
• some need gapps, which is annoying to re-install every time you update, which also, you have to do every few days instead of once a year
So my conclusion is that screw custom ROMs. It might just be my device but that's how it plays out. I'll be much more careful to buy a phone that will have real support in the future, like the SGS II, Captivate, and SGS III do/will have.
Oh yeah and about my sig, that is the only ROM that I've gotten close to working 100%. And he's not a gtg, but he's got more support than big devs like that ever did, so if you're a sheep and need to use custom ROMs go with MoM.
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I get the opposite results of u bro... my lag on stock is sooo bad that I was about to throw my phone on the ground as hard as I could. Ics with some tweaks was awesome, jellybean should be really good if it ever comes. Now on my tablet stock on that is pretty good, with aosp it would fly though.

Trolling like this is unproductive and is intended only to offend those who contribute to this device. My vote is that someone close this thread, and that wayzata start keeping his opinions of devs to himself.

Make sure you zip it up, this is going to be one of those threads, chief haha
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Plus, I agree with ryanscool, any time I have to use stock B3, everything is laggy. Personally, I think that Sammy just did such a crappy job on official GB and used halfass or dirty fixes to make it work. So when ppl try to mod, the crappiness comes out...
There are tons of work being done on the Infuse and I was here when ppl said development was dead; you gotta appreciate what's here man.
My advice Way, stay with stock and stop these random threads broskie
-Mac
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jscott30 said:
Trolling like this is unproductive and is intended only to offend those who contribute to this device. My vote is that someone close this thread, and that wayzata start keeping his opinions of devs to himself.
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Well Jscott, I don't think we are going to change anyone's stance on the matter, I mean, after all we are just "unpopular devs." What do we know. lol

He must be needing a galaxy note
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Cute how it's all butthurt devs taking offense to something I didn't even imply, let alone say directly.

wayzata said:
Cute how it's all butthurt devs taking offense to something I didn't even imply, let alone say directly.
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I honestly don't see any xda recognized developers replying to your posts. They most likely have better things to do. I'm no dev, and haven't claimed to be. I'm not mad or even remotely upset, but I do think that you're being a troll. It irritates me enough that you're one of the few people that I'll ever choose to ignore on this site - and I must say, for me, that takes a lot, so congratulations on that.
By the way, here's what you've said directly, and it implies plenty to justify people being irritated with your trolling.:
wayzata said:
Anyone still using this? I'm using it as a last option because no custom ROMs seem to be working as fully as this. ICS has a ton of bugs, and modified GB ROMs are made by unpopular devs with little bug support.
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jscott30 said:
I honestly don't see any xda recognized developers replying to your posts. They most likely have better things to do. I'm no dev, and haven't claimed to be. I'm not mad or even remotely upset, but I do think that you're being a troll. It irritates me enough that you're one of the few people that I'll ever choose to ignore on this site - and I must say, for me, that takes a lot, so congratulations on that.
By the way, here's what you've said directly, and it implies plenty to justify people being irritated with your trolling.:
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Nuff said
-Mac

Custom Roms are not for everyone so if you prefer a stock rom then go for it.
Thread closed
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Way better battery life on 2.20 update.

Still running stock AT&T os as I dont see the need to run a custom rom. Lte battery life has increased nearly 5 fold in standby. 10% every 5 hours as opposed to 1 hour with a full signal.

eskimochaos said:
Still running stock AT&T os as I dont see the need to run a custom rom. Lte battery life has increased nearly 5 fold in standby. 10% every 5 hours as opposed to 1 hour with a full signal.
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If you flash a custom rom then your story will change. =)
You'll wish you did a long time ago.
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SkizzMcNizz said:
If you flash a custom rom then your story will change. =)
You'll wish you did a long time ago.
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From what standpoint?

He's saying you don't know what you're missing.
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I still can't grasp the concept of being a member here and running a stock phone. It boggles the mind.

gunnyman said:
I still can't grasp the concept of being a member here and running a stock phone. It boggles the mind.
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I'm stock on 2.20 (just dd'd the system.img from the 2.20 ruu haha).. Froze a couple bloat apps I don't like. Outside of that, I don't see advantage to the custom ROM's we have. When AOKP or CM10 get up to snuff, I'll definitely switch. But short of that, I don't really get it. 2.20 is amazing, really.

beaups said:
I'm stock on 2.20 (just dd'd the system.img from the 2.20 ruu haha).. Froze a couple bloat apps I don't like. Outside of that, I don't see advantage to the custom ROM's we have. When AOKP or CM10 get up to snuff, I'll definitely switch. But short of that, I don't really get it. 2.20 is amazing, really.
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I'm stock rooted too. But there are lots of people who don't even root

beaups said:
I'm stock on 2.20 (just dd'd the system.img from the 2.20 ruu haha).. Froze a couple bloat apps I don't like. Outside of that, I don't see advantage to the custom ROM's we have. When AOKP or CM10 get up to snuff, I'll definitely switch. But short of that, I don't really get it. 2.20 is amazing, really.
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I'm with you beaups. After running only custom roms since the one x came out, I've been on stock 2.20 for the last week and prefer it.
I don't see any tangible performance improvements in day-to-day use with any of the custom roms, and I can handle my own bloat removal. Nor do I use quicksettings or care about minor theming.
Battery life and signal strength/speed on stock 2.20 has been far better than any other custom rom I've used so far, too, and the dreaded low volume bug seems to have been resolved.

gunnyman said:
I'm stock rooted too. But there are lots of people who don't even root
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So what?

This is an enthusiasts and hacking Site. I'm just making an observation.

gunnyman said:
This is an enthusiasts and hacking Site. I'm just making an observation.
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I've been here since 2007. You don't know how many phones I've owned or hacked.
Enjoy your rooted one x.

And where did I single you out exactly?

eskimochaos said:
I've been here since 2007. You don't know how many phones I've owned or hacked.
Enjoy your rooted one x.
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Where the hell is this coming from? Geez, what pissed you off?

Do i need to clean this thread up? Last warning!
Oh wait im only a member......Carry On!!
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gunnyman said:
This is an enthusiasts and hacking Site. I'm just making an observation.
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This also happens to be one of the best Android knowledge repositories on the internet and is extremely helpful to people who are curious about the ins and outs of their devices. It has way more functionality than just hacking.

lJesseCusterl said:
This also happens to be one of the best Android knowledge repositories on the internet and is extremely helpful to people who are curious about the ins and outs of their devices. It has way more functionality than just hacking.
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True, but what info on here can you actually use without being rooted? You can learn about everything but cant actually use it to your advantage but hey, whatever floats the OP's boat :good:

SkookDroid said:
True, but what info on here can you actually use without being rooted? You can learn about everything but cant actually use it to your advantage but hey, whatever floats the OP's boat :good:
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Lots. When the official OTA updates are coming. Stock tricks/hacks to make your battery last longer. Find out about LTE speeds in other areas. Price reduction. Phone accessories. I can go on and on.
I'm running cleanrom but I was reading this forum even before i got my one x. It's not all about hacking. It's about a community for your phone.

karan1203 said:
Lots. When the official OTA updates are coming. Stock tricks/hacks to make your battery last longer. Find out about LTE speeds in other areas. Price reduction. Phone accessories. I can go on and on.
I'm running cleanrom but I was reading this forum even before i got my one x. It's not all about hacking. It's about a community for your phone.
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You can learn about all that on any android site out there, I was just saying xda IMHO is more for modding your phone. I never said it was ALL about hacking, just giving my opinion that most of the info on here is geared towards modding, rooting, theming, etc. Sure theres discussions in the general thread about that stuff as well as in the themes and apps thread but the ratio of modding info to "general" info is about 5:2

Way better on mine too.
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You can learn about all that on any android site out there, I was just saying xda IMHO is more for modding your phone. I never said it was ALL about hacking, just giving my opinion that most of the info on here is geared towards modding, rooting, theming, etc. Sure theres discussions in the general thread about that stuff as well as in the themes and apps thread but the ratio of modding info to "general" info is about 5:2
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Not going to argue there. I agree, it's mostly about rooting and hacking your phone. My point was towards your statement " but what info on here can you actually use without being rooted? "
I listed things that i've personally done on this forum without having my phone rooted and i dont see why that's not possible.
Anyway, this is a useless argument to have. If someone wants to read/post on this forum without messing with their phone, that's their right and we shouldn't try to push them out.

Custom ROMS

I really do appreciate all the hard work DEVS put into building ROMS. But I really get frustrated with very buggy ROMS or ROMS not stable for daily use being released WITHOUT IT BEING KNOWN. I mean forgive me if I am wrong but how can someone build a stock ROM and make it run worse than stock? I'm not trying to criticize negatively, but am I alone on this? I think everything about a ROM should be posted on the OP. Not just some stuff but everything like "Known issues" "What doesnt work" and "bugs" should be the first thing we see instead having to look for it and being linked to other sites and what not. I am not trying to sound ungrateful but I really depend on ROMS and would start to DEV myself but find myself too busy providing for my family. I donate when I can and appreciate all the work but maybe there should be a category for only "Stable ROMS" and "Daily Drivers"

in my opinion except Lg devides(Because still I have a Lg), usually stock rom better than costum roms... Almost all costum roms have some problem

Agreed. Just run NoSympathys deodexed, zipaligned, debloated stock rom with imo's v0.1 leankernal...runs amazing..on my way to a 15 hr battery
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ekklesiaillusion said:
Agreed. Just run NoSympathys deodexed, zipaligned, debloated stock rom with imo's v0.1 leankernal...runs amazing..on my way to a 15 hr battery
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Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent )
Imagine, if you will, oc'ed aosp speeds on a stock rom.....
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ekklesiaillusion said:
Agreed. Just run NoSympathys deodexed, zipaligned, debloated stock rom with imo's v0.1 leankernal...runs amazing..on my way to a 15 hr battery
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I dont know why I didnt think of that in the first place. Thanks for the tip.

TechSavvy2 said:
Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent )
Imagine, if you will, oc'ed aosp speeds on a stock rom.....
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I have been running synergy and have had issues ever since 1.3. BTW we're not incompetent just to clear that up.

TechSavvy2 said:
Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent )
Imagine, if you will, oc'ed aosp speeds on a stock rom.....
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agreed !:laugh::laugh:

TechSavvy2 said:
Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent )
Imagine, if you will, oc'ed aosp speeds on a stock rom.....
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Run synergy and have bugs in every version? No thanks. Tried it before nosympathy and couldnt switch calls, new version came out 2 days later and had no mms over 160 characters along with settings force close. Its a nice rom, but flashing a new version or fix every other day just doesnt make sense to me.
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addictedhacks said:
I dont know why I didnt think of that in the first place. Thanks for the tip.
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No problem. Ive ran every rom available out now and this set up is by far the best.
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I have been running synergy and have had issues ever since 1.3. BTW we're not incompetent just to clear that up.
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Yeah incompetant has nothing to do. Not wanting to flash fixes and new versions every other day
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Or just run what you like and stop bad mouthing each others' choices and the devs.
/thread

So the point of this thread was??? Waste of space imo:banghead:
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bobloblaw1 said:
Or just run what you like and stop bad mouthing each others' choices and the devs.
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Bad mouthing? Every post i said the rom is nice, just not for me. Explain how that is bad mouthing? I explained my experience with that rom. Am i only allowed to say good things about it? No its called feedback (good or bad). Get off your internet high horse.
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I have been running Synergy for many versions now and never had any of the issues that people have reported, like GPS lock issues, etc.
The ROM is incredibly fast, I get great battery, and bug free for me!

Synergy 1.3 in my opinion works the best on my phone. No problems with battery,gps,kernels or even theming.
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So the point of this thread was??? Waste of space imo:banghead:
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How have you gotten away with not bricking every phone you have ever touched without reading the O.P.?
I really do appreciate all the hard work DEVS put into building ROMS. But I really get frustrated with very buggy ROMS or ROMS not stable for daily use being released WITHOUT IT BEING KNOWN. I mean forgive me if I am wrong but how can someone build a stock ROM and make it run worse than stock? I'm not trying to criticize negatively, but am I alone on this? I think everything about a ROM should be posted on the OP. Not just some stuff but everything like "Known issues" "What doesnt work" and "bugs" should be the first thing we see instead having to look for it and being linked to other sites and what not. I am not trying to sound ungrateful but I really depend on ROMS and would start to DEV myself but find myself too busy providing for my family. I donate when I can and appreciate all the work but maybe there should be a category for only "Stable ROMS" and "Daily Drivers"

ekklesiaillusion said:
Bad mouthing? Every post i said the rom is nice, just not for me. Explain how that is bad mouthing? I explained my experience with that rom. Am i only allowed to say good things about it? No its called feedback (good or bad). Get off your internet high horse.
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So you try to prove you aren't bad-mouthing by making a negative comment about me??
Furthermore, feedback is specific and constructive. Bringing up issues from old builds that are no longer relevant helps no one and leads to a false impression of how the ROM is TODAY.
A sample of what you have said:
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Run synergy and have bugs in every version? No thanks. Tried it before nosympathy and couldnt switch calls, new version came out 2 days later and had no mms over 160 characters along with settings force close. Its a nice rom, but flashing a new version or fix every other day just doesnt make sense to me.
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Yeah incompetant has nothing to do. Not wanting to flash fixes and new versions every other day
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Of course, those issues don't exist anymore (or ever for some of them except for you apparently).
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in my opinion except Lg devides(Because still I have a Lg), usually stock rom better than costum roms... Almost all costum roms have some problem
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Well that was helpful.
TechSavvy2 said:
Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent
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This may or may not be true but again, not at all helpful for anyone.
Again, this is a development forum. Things are sometimes broken, half-finished, and often WIP. If you don't like what the devs release, then don't flash it. Your other option is to wait until a dev releases a milestone or stable release. It's really that simple.

Some of these devs are amazing and put out some truly awesome work, however these guys are doing it mostly as a hobby or maybe for donations...but I'll bet they all must work a fulltime job.
The factory roms have probably been dissected by over a dozen or more Sammy peeps before even getting to Red for their further adjustments. Therefore it seems reasonable that the stock roms would be more stable and less buggy. That's common sense!
The custom roms allow user to get rid of unneeded bloat as well as adding in hacks and such. Not to mention almost unlimited theming possibilities.
Every dev inserts a disclaimer in their thread for a reason...YOU INSTALL THEIR ROM AT YOUR OWN RISK! So live with it...or live with stock.

addictedhacks said:
How have you gotten away with not bricking every phone you have ever touched without reading the O.P.?
I really do appreciate all the hard work DEVS put into building ROMS. But I really get frustrated with very buggy ROMS or ROMS not stable for daily use being released WITHOUT IT BEING KNOWN. I mean forgive me if I am wrong but how can someone build a stock ROM and make it run worse than stock? I'm not trying to criticize negatively, but am I alone on this? I think everything about a ROM should be posted on the OP. Not just some stuff but everything like "Known issues" "What doesnt work" and "bugs" should be the first thing we see instead having to look for it and being linked to other sites and what not. I am not trying to sound ungrateful but I really depend on ROMS and would start to DEV myself but find myself too busy providing for my family. I donate when I can and appreciate all the work but maybe there should be a category for only "Stable ROMS" and "Daily Drivers"
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I've had multiple rooted phones. I know how to recover possible bricks. I don't ***** about small issues that ARE in fact known and stated. If you need your phone working 100%, then why run custom software that's experimental? I'm amazed YOU haven't bricked yet you negative Nancy.
PS if its not stated in the op, then read the ******* thread and stop being lazy as hell and expecting these guys to do everything for you.....:banghead:
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bobloblaw1 said:
So you try to prove you aren't bad-mouthing by making a negative comment about me??
Furthermore, feedback is specific and constructive. Bringing up issues from old builds that are no longer relevant helps no one and leads to a false impression of how the ROM is TODAY.
A sample of what you have said:
Of course, those issues don't exist anymore (or ever for some of them except for you apparently).
Some other wonderful gems of wisdom from this thread:
Well that was helpful.
This may or may not be true but again, not at all helpful for anyone.
Again, this is a development forum. Things are sometimes broken, half-finished, and often WIP. If you don't like what the devs release, then don't flash it. Your other option is to wait until a dev releases a milestone or stable release. It's really that simple.
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You nailed it. Addict was the only person having issues with Synergy rom and whined and complained from the start that it was the roms fault. Funny that no one else had the issues that he was having. He obviously dorked something up/restored system data from an old build/installed a bad app/never checked md5s or something of that nature.
Then he goes and makes a thread about buggy roms when we all know exactly what he is referring to and we all know it was his own doing.
For everyone's information, Synergy is an awesome rom and has been since it was released. I have had zero issues outside of what I thought was a gps issue but that was my own mess up. I think a few had a different gps issue and that was it and that has since been solved.
Stop spreading crap info addict. You jacked your system up somehow and it had nothing to do with Synergy rom.
Edit: like others said if you want a "perfect" rom then stick with stock. I just don't understand what your complaint is about. It's not like stock doesn't work and someone is forcing you to flash roms every night.
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Seems the OP got his answer and to prevent further flaming let's just close this.
To the OP, Devs take time away from their family and providing for them to make ROMs out of sheer enjoyment.
They make them for themselves and share them.
It is impossible to find every bug before the ROM is released. Even Samsung can''t do that.
It also takes a lot of time to support a ROM, updating the thread everytime a real bug is found, not just someone who can't flash or mixed in a bad app or data.
You really should try to make your own ROM, release it and support it before making a crappy thread like this.
If you depend on your phone then you should definitely stick to stock and pray there are not bugs unreported there.
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[INFO][DUMP] AT&T MB865 ICS Leak #2 (9.4.12)

9/10/12 - FOR THOSE ON THE FIRST AT&T ICS LEAK: You may notice that you have an OTA Update available to you - it will update you to the newest version of Moto's ICS (as found in leak #2)... If you install it, you will not have any way to fxz your way out of trouble, receive the official ota (though this is probably close enough to it), or flash back to GB just for fun...
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Well, I'm sure Moto has been frantically checking our forums this week (out-dated, but always true - i'd like to think), and from the looks of things around here, they probably thought that this new ICS ota package slipped by unnoticed... But, it hasn't.
I picked up this new leak off of cheesecake earlier this week:
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The first shot is from the leak pulled on Tuesday, Sept. 4, 2012 - then it looks like someone didn't like the package name, and the second pic shows the leak (identical except the name) that has been on the server since Wednesday, Sept. 5... this looks like it's very close to the official release now.
So, why didn't you know about this leak?
Well, looks like you are already on ICS and/or not checking cheesecake , and more importantly, we did not want to just go and post the leak files for safety reasons - and it's a good thing that we didn't - because this new leak is more locked down than the first one, courtesy of the friendly folks at Moto.
As it stands, there is currently no way for us to downgrade back to GB from the new leak - and that is a sign of what's to come with the official OTA. (But, your devs are still working on that too)
Do some reading around the other forums/sites for Moto devices - they had the exact same thing - they could downgrade from some of the earlier leaks but not the more finalized ones or the official ota.
Post or PM with questions/concerns.. but, please don't be offended if I do not send you the leak files (I hope you understand).
Thanks to the other devs for their input and advice. Also, I want to give a very big and special thanks to Apex_Strider, Fall of Enosis, mtnlion, and DX2Trip for their contributions and troubles - if not for them, we would be in for a big surprise when the official release comes and someone tries to fxz back to gb - please make sure to hit the "Thanks" button for them.
Now, without further ado, Fall has a generous gift for anyone who's interested in making a ROM out of the new leak (see below)...

Ok guys, this leak came out and Altered asked a couple of us to test it. Now I can say from using the leak for a few days that it is more stable than the last.
HOWEVER:
I got myself into a jam and somehow deleted my backup and sent myself in a soft brick, while making some mods.
I cannot express the heavily enough to you:
WE CURRENTLY CANNOT FXZ BACK FROM THIS LEAK. MY A2 IS CURRENTLY STUCK IN FB. AND WILL MOST LIKELY NOT BE RESTORED UNTIL WE GET A 4.0.4 FXZ
That being said, it runs great and a lot of the bugs were worked out from the last leak.
WHAT I KNOW WORKS:
Bootmenu works fine. SAFESTRAP HAS NOT BEEN TESTED. (I just somehow accidentally deleted my backup I made when I looped)
Jim's Root method works fine: Find it HERE. (Give proper thanks to Jim for it)
And since it is a Moto release, obviously WiFi, BT, and everything else works fine.
THINGS I NOTICED:
The Press and hold to pick a widget is gone all together.
I was one of the few who was actually OC'd to 1.2 on the previous leak. I was ALSO at 1.2 on this leak.
LASTLY:
This dump post is for creating ROMS from this dump ONLY. DO NOT mix and match files from either leak. They NEED to be treated as separate entities all together. That is how I got myself into my current softbrick. I flashed a mod that I thought would work, but the service.jars were just different enough to throw me into a loop. As long as you MAKE SURE you have a backup with Bootmenu you should be able to get out of a bootloop just fine.
Happy and careful building everyone:
Click here to download the system dump.
ENDING DISCLAIMER:
Obviously I am not responsible for what you do to your phone. Or if you brick it. We all know the risks with flashing. Safe flashing everyone! KEEP A BACKUP!

alteredlikeness said:
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So, why didn't you know about this leak?
Well, looks like you are not checking cheesecake , and more importantly, we did not want to just go and post the leak files for safety reasons - and it's a good thing that we didn't - because this new leak is more locked down than the first one, courtesy of the friendly folks at Moto.
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Apex_Strider said:
Yeah, tell me about it...
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fall of enosis and I had just about the same thing occur.Everything he said is spot on.If you try it out, be warned.

THANK YOU MAN! It was fun testing and by all means, ask me in the future cuz I'm always 100% down for the cause! Saddly since I made a boo-boo user error while fiddling with backups, I lost recovery and freaked before asking for help I went ahead and figured I test out the FXZ as well since theres nothing else I can do. (wouldnt boot past moto logo and errored out in AP mode saying no recovery) The FXZ DID leave me with a brick but no worries as I'll get a replacement soon within the week or so. Again, was fun testing and appreciate all your guys's hard work being done around here lately. Keep up the loyalty to our A2's...Ya'll rock! :good:

I bet Moto will supply a full ICS FXZ on official OTA, since we can't downgrade? Hopefully lol
Sent from my locked MB865 on Ice Cream Sandwich.

DemosZevasa said:
I bet Moto will supply a full ICS FXZ on official OTA, since we can't downgrade? Hopefully lol
Sent from my locked MB865 on Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Do you know Moto? Allow me to introduce the two of you:
Consumer, meet Satan.
There, now that the 'formalities' are out of the way, understand both of your roles in this relationship. You are the "bottom", and Motorola is the "top" -you're always going to be the 'taker', so lube up... makes the forceable entry easier on the linings of your, well, never mind.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 Anti-Motorola Ballistic Missile

Apex_Strider said:
Do you know Moto? Allow me to introduce the two of you:
Consumer, meet Satan.
There, now that the 'formalities' are out of the way, understand both of your roles in this relationship. You are the "bottom", and Motorola is the "top" -you're always going to be the 'taker', so lube up... makes the forceable entry easier on the linings of your, well, never mind.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 Anti-Motorola Ballistic Missile
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Lol I know them. Just being extremely optimistic.
Sent from my locked MB865 on Ice Cream Sandwich.

Question here regarding this new leak. Are there any visual changes from the last leak or is everything pretty much the same?
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No visual changes from what I saw man. Looks the same. Just less buggy and more stable overall.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium

To note some other changes in this new leak: aside from the new bootloader "security" features and recovery, the system folder is quite a bit bigger than the first leak. (Fyi.. the system dump is mostly harmless if someone were to build a rom from it - should work fine on any 4.0.4 build.. The dangerous things are the bootloader and recovery)
Also, we are still looking into any possible options to restore those who have not hard bricked - either by going forward or back.. if anyone wants to seriously look into this and/or contribute some useful ideas, please feel free to pm me.
To the four noble gentlemen above: a heartfelt thanks and my deepest regrets for your efforts and virtual losses.. I wish you the best. And I kinda wish I never found that blasted leak... :/
Sent from my phone's mind

alteredlikeness said:
To the four noble gentlemen above: a heartfelt thanks and my deepest regrets for your efforts and virtual losses.. I wish you the best. And I kinda wish I never found that blasted leak... :/
Sent from my phone's mind
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I have faith in you guys, that y'all will find a way around these soft bricked circumstances. If not, luckily we all have our warranties and/or insurances/backup devices, so we're not dead in the water.
For all others, if you happen to find a new leak on Cheesecake or otherwise, download and send to the devs here: DO NOT install the new leak(s) without consulting in full with the dev team, unless you'd like your phone to not boot.
You've been given warning, please heed accordingly...
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 Anti-Motorola Ballistic Missile

Altered, I'm far from a noob. I knew the risks so please dont blame yourself.
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And I have more than one phone available.
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Was the kernel updated?
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alteredlikeness said:
To note some other changes in this new leak: aside from the new bootloader "security" features and recovery, the system folder is quite a bit bigger than the first leak. (Fyi.. the system dump is mostly harmless if someone were to build a rom from it - should work fine on any 4.0.4 build.. The dangerous things are the bootloader and recovery)
Also, we are still looking into any possible options to restore those who have not hard bricked - either by going forward or back.. if anyone wants to seriously look into this and/or contribute some useful ideas, please feel free to pm me.
To the four noble gentlemen above: a heartfelt thanks and my deepest regrets for your efforts and virtual losses.. I wish you the best. And I kinda wish I never found that blasted leak... :/
Sent from my phone's mind
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I just wanted to say thanks to Alterd for finding this new leak and sharing all the info about it. Thank you to the testers as well. It sucks that you guys bricked your phones because of it but hopefully you'll be able to get your replacements soon. This new leak was handled a hell of a lot better than the last. Thanks again guys.
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Some links for research for this current issue and the bootloader in general (though not specifically for the A2, they have some good info):
http://and-developers.com/
http://wiki.opticaldelusion.org/wiki/Motoactv/CDT
http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/CDT
What I found was that the only major change between the first leak and this one is the cdt partition (all the other major ota partition file's md5 sums match those from the first leak except the cdt.bin) - and that's a major player in the bootloader - and that was the first thing to fail in flashing the fxz... and why the subsequent flash processes failed due to validation errors.. and probably why fastboot is now botched with an invalid CG error...
Anyway, just food for thought, digestion, and discussion...

Altered.
Mate.
Don't feel bad. We all knew the risks. We always do. It led me into somewhat of a phyrric victory as I am now on a wonderfully unlocked Samsung GS2 skyrocket rocking CM9.
Please. Don't feel bad. You make houses with bricks my good man.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium

Fall of Enosis said:
Altered.
Mate.
Don't feel bad. We all knew the risks. We always do. It led me into somewhat of a phyrric victory as I am now on a wonderfully unlocked Samsung GS2 skyrocket rocking CM9.
Please. Don't feel bad. You make houses with bricks my good man.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium
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Lol... Thanks again guys for your kind manner and such, but I'm not beating myself up for it or nothing.. but I was chewing the skin off of my fingers for a couple of days there.
And, I did learn a lot from all of this - which is always good. Plus, that new 2.3.6 fxz for the folks on leak #1 seems to work well... maybe worth sharing soon, but definitely not for anyone getting the official ota...
Oh, and on another note, I stumbled across this today while browsing the portal news (I had no idea he was going to write this): http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-notification-toggles-to-your-droid-razr-rom/ - even though he ironically recalls the first leak... "Everything's coming up Milhouse!"

Nice work guys. For those of us on the previous leak what will the steps to upgrade to this leak or the final release be? I have no desire to ever return to gb so flashing back is of no concern to me unless it's the only way to flash forward. I'm guessing someone could make a backup of their Rom and just use the new recovery tool to upgrade to the leak or the official release? Thanks for the updates guys.
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My guess would be that youd have to go back to GB before applying any of the newer leaks as we did for the first one. Just not necessary to go back to 2.3.5. These tests were fun but going from my A2 with perfect/amazing wifi signal to my X2 with horrible/sh!tty wifi signal...I'm a bit mad at myself for not waiting and or asking for help. This will be my fourth A2, two being bricks in the last month. Wish me luck when I talk to AT&T...not sure if they'll send me a replacement due to my mother suspending mine n my girlfriends line. But since shes still paying for it monthly youd think they'd still send me another one since I still have insurance on it right? lol, sorry, not meaning to bring this off topic but I'm just tweakin a lil bit n don't know what to expect. Again I'll say it though, thank you for all the hard and dedicated work here man!!!
Sent From My Motorola DROID X2/MB870 Running CM7-RC1 Mashed Up N V6 SUPERCHARGED!!!

[Q] More Education

Hi,
Yes, I'm a noob but I'm a smart noob. I refuse to just "jump" in without having enough knowledge about what is necessary to properly modify my phone (AT&T HOX). I have looked up terms I was unfamiliar with etc and sat and waited patiently reading other people's issues. I like many come from Apple (thankfully I switched away) and jailbreaking was about as easy as it got. So here goes.....
1. I am really most interested (at the time being) in getting rid of the ridiculous apps these phones come plugged up with.
2. I already think the phone is fast (light years faster than any iPhone I owned), so what are some of your (members) opinions on WHY you want to flash a custom rom?
3. Do you have to put a new rom in or once it's rooted can I simply have it "stock" and have the freedom to delete apps that I don't want on the phone?
If I've offended anyone here I apologize. Searching for answers on the Internet sometimes is a joke. I did find this tool in the developer's section and I know I'd start here (already downloaded and looked it over) [TOOL] HTC One X (Evita) All-In-One Toolkit V1.1 [10-28-12] [PERM ROOT][Noob-Proof]
but I feel there is a bit more that I'm missing.
I don't want my hand held but rather to allay any fears of turning my phone into a relic, rather than a useful device. I'm about to graduate with a computer support degree, so some of this real heavy duty stuff isn't exactly taught to us students.
I'd appreciate any advice and help from you all and thanks for having a source filled with so many helpful individuals and information
Thanks in advance,
Jon

This is where you should start (my index thread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
1) Rooting will enable you to uninstall bloatware.
2) Reasons for flashing custom ROMs are many. Yes, the phone is very fast. But believe it or not, there are some that want to squeeze even more performance out of the device. Custom ROMs will often include tweaks to improve speed, but also memory management (multi-tasking). Some people like the vanilla (no Sense) look of AOSP ROMs. And also AOSP based ROMs feel more fluid in the launcher, as well as some apps run faster. Custom ROMs have some cool features that don't exist on stock: Extended Quick Settings, Advanced Power Menu, Paranoid Android settings, theming support and much more.
3) You can just unlock the bootloader and root without flashing a custom ROM. If you aren't too familiar with flashing custom ROMs, this may in fact be a good place to start. Become familiar with what root gives you, before flashing ROMs.
The all-in-one tool you mentioned is correct if your phone is on the 2.20 firmware. If it happens to be an earlier firmware, use the corresponding root method as indicated in my index.

2. It's like buying a new Dell or HP Laptop. It comes with tons of random crap pre-installed that you don't need. Sure, the computer might already be "fast", but you can always make it faster by uninstalling said apps. However, there are usually tons of them, and they're deeply embedded into the OS. Even if you go into add or remove programs and uninstall all of the apps that they have given you, there's usually still random crap installed... You might want to start fresh - I always do. So, when I buy a laptop the first thing I do is install windows manually and download the newest and updated drivers. Now the machine is fast. :good:
This is the same principle for your phone. This is why people want to install a custom ROM (like CleanROM) that doesn't include any of the carrier crap and is just a fresh, base install.
3. You could, if you really, really wanted keep the AT&T stock ROM on there... but there is no reason to. If you installed something like CleanROM it is already optimized, and you can select what stock carrier apps you want included during the installation. The defaults will leave you almost perfect though... This could be thought of as doing a fresh windows install to remove all that crap they embedded deep into the OS. There are no flashy lights, it is just a base ROM that's optimized for speed, performance, and stability.
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.

On stock vs. ROM:
I am stock/rooted on my Nexus 7 because it's already vanilla Android, and I haven't seen any need to soup it up.
Stock Sense, on the other hand, has a lot of annoying elements that HTC built into it for various reasons: patent disputes, branding, stability, etc. Most or all of this can and should be removed. One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it. Removing this limitation is easy. Another is the gimped multitasking that HTC set up to prioritize Sense over everything else. And since Sense is still bloated, this greatly limits multitasking. For the most part, CleanROM is Sense with all this unnecessary crap removed.
I was where you are back in May when I got this thing, and I'm happy as a clam on CleanROM.

ECEXCURSION said:
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
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I've actually bounced around from CleanROM, ViperXL and other custom ROMs, as well as stock rooted ROMs. I've spent a good amount of time on Asian and Euro stock ROMs, with bloat frozen (in Titanium, not even removed), and the difference in performance (speed) between these and custom ROMs is negligible, if any. Maybe memory management is better on the custom ROMs, but its never been as much of a peeve to me, as others here.
While its true that the AT&T stock ROM has lots of bloat, and some things stupidly removed (FM radio, flashlight, WiFi tethering), but its really not bad. And the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it.
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Just AT&T stock has the HTCLinkify crap. Links work fine on stock ROMs for any other carrier, AFAIK.

It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
So in the tool for 2.20 firmware, twrp is in the data file already from the download? I had to go their site and read about what it was. I just don't want to start off on the wrong foot.
You've all been nice to me, even though I'm a flaming noob to unlocking/rooting. I figure to prevent myself from being stupid later, I should be smart now. Hahaha.
I greatly appreciate all the insight and advice so far.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

redpoint73 said:
IAnd the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.

iElvis said:
Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.

redpoint73 said:
CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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He's stated that he's waiting for JB. But yeah, he's developing for about six devices now. We take what we can get.

ToxicWaste said:
It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.

redpoint73 said:
Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice

ToxicWaste said:
OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
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I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038

inksoldier said:
I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
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I actually agree with what you said about my OP. I jailbroke my iPhones with ease but coming here to Android was a complete night and day difference. It's clearly not the same at all. This is more difficult by far. But after looking at tons of threads, asking questions and assuring myself I can do it, I unlocked and rooted a few days ago. Went pretty much without a hiccup. For now I'm staying stock rooted and exploring the phone. I'm already itching for a Rom but that can wait.
I do feel bad for some people that post here without searching for threads pertaining to rooting but I think it's in how you ask and come off here.
Did you use the all in one toolkit? Did you use it to flash your Rom as well?
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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area51avenger said:
I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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ToxicWaste said:
Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.

iElvis said:
Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Not on the app. But I'm running viperxl. I got this phone over the s3 because I like sense.
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iElvis said:
Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Ya I didn't see it listed on his xda app. Haha
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area51avenger said:
Not on the app.
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Derp. I need to read sig lines too.

If I install a custom ROM would I lose beatsaudio?