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What's taking so long for HTC/Verizon to release 2.3.4 for Thunderbolt?

I don't get it, really so many phones came out with 2.3.4 already why is Thunderbolt is so behind?!

From what I've seen in the developer forums, the Dev's are really having to rework the leaked kernels pretty heavily to get them stable; normally striping out all the garbage HTC is trying to cram into it. So I'm thinking between HTC and verizon trying to cram so much crap in, they can't get it stable enough to release.
just my thought.

im thinking we will get 2.3.5 not 2.3.4. and it should come by the end of the month or in september.

Greywolf66 said:
From what I've seen in the developer forums, the Dev's are really having to rework the leaked kernels pretty heavily to get them stable; normally striping out all the garbage HTC is trying to cram into it. So I'm thinking between HTC and verizon trying to cram so much crap in, they can't get it stable enough to release.
just my thought.
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no offense but you would probably be wrong. most of us knew we wouldn't get it until august or so.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware they are even using a base derived from Tbolt ROMs for kernels.

loonatik78 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware they are even using a base derived from Tbolt ROMs for kernels.
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2.3.5 i think comes from the nexus s update to fix the signal issues. im sure at the least the tbolt will get OTA 2.3.4.

loonatik78 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware they are even using a base derived from Tbolt ROMs for kernels.
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Nope your probably right. Thought I read that they were using a leaked kernel from HTC, for some of the ROMs/kernels but probably my misunderstanding

Wouldn't hold my breath for the update tbh. With what we're cranking out, people should be content with what's available. If you guys got an OTA 2.3.4 update you'd want it customized anyway so....

Surprise its August where's that update I have been reading about.
#$%& my kid has the dinc 2,its been out since April,what's the big deal about GB.HTC should hire all the outstanding developer's here and get this [email protected]#$% over with what the hell strip the s*** and push it out after that support with updates, The t-bolt is one big science experiment that escaped it creator's.
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Greywolf66 said:
Nope your probably right. Thought I read that they were using a leaked kernel from HTC, for some of the ROMs/kernels but probably my misunderstanding
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They are using leaked RUUs for the base on Gingerbread Sense ROMs, but any custom GB kernels are frankensteined together from different sources I believe. They have to do that because even with an RUU leak we don't have the kernel source from HTC for Gingerbread.
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scottthreet32 said:
Surprise its August where's that update I have been reading about.
#$%& my kid has the dinc 2,its been out since April,what's the big deal about GB.HTC should hire all the outstanding developer's here and get this [email protected]#$% over with what the hell strip the s*** and push it out after that support with updates, The t-bolt is one big science experiment that escaped it creator's.
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If you are that upset, Verizon now offers the iPhone in white, which may suit your needs better.

The Apple thing not spoken here you kiss whoever with that filthy mouth might as well pop off with the Microsoft thing while your cussing like that.
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so annoying that we have to wait for so long, i bought that phone with a hope that new phone will be well supported it yet as usual no one really know what's going on and we are at least one major release away... i wonder if we ever going to be current at one point of time...

a1exus said:
so annoying that we have to wait for so long, i bought that phone with a hope that new phone will be well supported it yet as usual no one really know what's going on and we are at least one major release away... i wonder if we ever going to be current at one point of time...
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no phone is ever current... the moment it is released another OS/hardware set is going to be announced within a week and that hardware that is not yet on the shelf is already out dated.. it’s just the way things work. And it’s a good thing to. if we had the most current device it would take years for the next generation device to come out and we would slip behind the curve even faster. All that said... it is extremely ridiculous that we are not on the newest OS version given the amount of time this one has been on the shelf.

chucks1967 said:
no phone is ever current... the moment it is released another OS/hardware set is going to be announced within a week and that hardware that is not yet on the shelf is already out dated.. it’s just the way things work. And it’s a good thing to. if we had the most current device it would take years for the next generation device to come out and we would slip behind the curve even faster. All that said... it is extremely ridiculous that we are not on the newest OS version given the amount of time this one has been on the shelf.
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Nexus phones are pretty well updated.
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00negative said:
Nexus phones are pretty well updated.
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If you want to blame anything, blame HTC for putting sense on the phone, since they can't keep it updated quickly enough to follow google's software rollout.
Also, there seems to be one of these threads every week. Please go complain to verizon or HTC, not to XDA where most are already running gingerbread, it's far more useful.

I saw this asked on another forum, but couldn't the 4g radio cause any issue? Doesn't make sense since the developers here already have it working, but it seems like the only reasonable explaination..if there was one. Maybe the sensation, dinc 2 or evo3D are the new flagships and therefore thunderbolt is put farther down the ladder?

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I saw this asked on another forum, but couldn't the 4g radio cause any issue? Doesn't make sense since the developers here already have it working, but it seems like the only reasonable explaination..if there was one. Maybe the sensation, dinc 2 or evo3D are the new flagships and therefore thunderbolt is put farther down the ladder?
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Most likely the LTE Radio is/was the issue. However, no other LTE phone has GB either so people just complain to complain.

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I've used froyo and gingerbread both. I could be missing something, but does gingerbread bring something to the table that is just so remarkable that we MUST have it? It doesn't seem any faster. I'm not seeing features that are much more than pretty fluff. Some of the features I STILL miss from my Blackberry aren't there in 2.3. It's nice, but I'm pretty much indifferent to it.

How can we overclock the CPU?

The atrix I has been able to get overclocked safely to 1.4 Ghz, I just bought setcpu from the android market and I am rooted. On the interface it only lets me set 1000mhz Max and 300mhz min. I would like to set it to 1.4 for experimental purposes and 1.2 set for boot. Thanks.
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You're not going to be able to OC until we have a custom ROM. Wish it was just as easy as you stated

Custom rom and kernel. And suprising this forum has been dead. I wish I knew how to port and cook roms.
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It'll get there. When we have ICS, overclocking and underclocking will be great. With both cores being used fully, we could spend a lot more time underclocked which would lend itself for killer battery life.

We can't OC/UV, make Custom Kernel or Cook Custom Rom's until we get the bootloader unlocked on this device. Until then we at least have root which makes freezing blootware etc doable but in the current situation that is about all the good you are going to get for now until there is an actual bootloader unlock. If Motorola is smart they will unlock the bootloader by default with ICS release but that remains to be seen.

Antutu bench. 5049. This score will skyrocket once ics and o'c with undervolt!
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Too bad that image is too small and distorted to read anything... O.O

koriflame said:
Too bad that image is too small and distorted to read anything... O.O
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Ditto would love be be able to see the benchmarks

Naturally this just shows as reference. Phone does perform well though. A lot better than the Infuse I had-it got 3847 for a high score overclocked to 1.6, ROM and kernel so.
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holeshot77 said:
Antutu bench. 5049. This score will skyrocket once ics and o'c with undervolt!
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Completely agreed. Can't wait.

malickie said:
We can't OC/UV, make Custom Kernel or Cook Custom Rom's until we get the bootloader unlocked on this device. Until then we at least have root which makes freezing blootware etc doable but in the current situation that is about all the good you are going to get for now until there is an actual bootloader unlock. If Motorola is smart they will unlock the bootloader by default with ICS release but that remains to be seen.
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you don't need the bootloader unlocked for custom roms...
wish people would stop saying this.
many devices have custom roms with locked bootloaders, you need a hijacked boot file. i started the project in the development section, but, no one seemed to want to get involved. doomlord is even willing to finish it for the atrix 2 guys once a factory image is available. but, no other devs believe this is possible, when it totally is.
so, atrix 2 users will have to wait until someone could magically crack the bootloader (which will take forever plus 2-3 more months) to have anything cool for the atrix 2. when in reality, it could have already happened, but no one seems to want to actually develop for the atrix 2. just continue talking about cracking the bootloader (then what? lol).
as far as overclocking, you have to have the frequencies written into a custom kernel, which, atrix 2 developers also believe the bootloader needs to be unlocked, which again, is untrue. a kernel can be sideloaded at boot. but again, no developer wants to look into it, because they are for some ungodly reason convinced the bootloader has to be unlocked for them to do anything.

Your forgetting one very important thing Svtfmook. To have development, we have to have developers. We have about 3 that I know if that are that are capable of doing anything and out of the 3 I'm thinking of NONE are recognized developers. You, Jimmy273 and Jimbridgeman. We had one with Pirateghost but he left. I pm'd Nitroglycerin33 to help with our bootstrap and Daywalker04 to help us find a FXZ which he is still working on. I wish I could help more but I don't know jack **** about most of this stuff. I'm willing to help and we need to get everyone that we can to help.
I have pm'd several developers from the OG ATRIX but some just aren't interested. But I'm not giving up. We will get some development here one way or another.
BTW I'm still looking forward to your work here and thank you for what you have done so far.

JRW 28 & svtfmook , I'm not a developer but I am willing to help out in any way I can.
Please let me know what I can do.... If I need to start learning how to develop I will even do that.

Coldheat1906 said:
JRW 28 & svtfmook , I'm not a developer but I am willing to help out in any way I can.
Please let me know what I can do.... If I need to start learning how to develop I will even do that.
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Bout the only thing I know of going on daily is this thread here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328714
You can help us hit the servers daily searching for updates. If you know any developers try and recruit them as well. We could use all the help we can get!

JRW 28 said:
Bout the only thing I know of going on daily is this thread here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328714
You can help us hit the servers daily searching for updates. If you know any developers try and recruit them as well. We could use all the help we can get!
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Ok will do!
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JRW 28 said:
Your forgetting one very important thing Svtfmook. To have development, we have to have developers. We have about 3 that I know if that are that are capable of doing anything and out of the 3 I'm thinking of NONE are recognized developers. You, Jimmy273 and Jimbridgeman. We had one with Pirateghost but he left. I pm'd Nitroglycerin33 to help with our bootstrap and Daywalker04 to help us find a FXZ which he is still working on. I wish I could help more but I don't know jack **** about most of this stuff. I'm willing to help and we need to get everyone that we can to help.
I have pm'd several developers from the OG ATRIX but some just aren't interested. But I'm not giving up. We will get some development here one way or another.
BTW I'm still looking forward to your work here and thank you for what you have done so far.
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Yes that is 100% true I am not a ROM developer nor do I have the want to do that... But I can an will do android and kernel development and hacking.... I have been part of Linux kernel dev since the 0.87 kernel, so that is where my strengths are.... I have already been working on an overclocked / more stable kernel for this phone from the source released for the Bionic and the RAZR, which I was able to get a hold of.... If I told you guys who my current client is I might be let out of the contract, if you know what I mean (it is one of the big 2 wireless providers and it is not Verizon), since I am doing system hardware architecture for then now.
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Yes we will get an overclocked kernel on the Atrix2.
As Svtfmook, and others have stated there are ways to sideload another kernel, and I have even another way to load a kernel, but with dire consequences at this point...
The point is that again as others have stated sit tight until we have all the pieces we need in place to get everyone what they want. We are all working within the confines that have been put in by the manufactures of these devices, and trying to find ways to get around those by thinking and running things outside the box so to speak.
P.S. They are running Custom ROMS on the Bionic without and unlocked bootloader. I know of the Th3ory ROM in particular, and there are others I am sure by now.

jimbridgman said:
Yes that is 100% true I am not a ROM developer nor do I have the want to do that... But I can an will do android and kernel development and hacking.... I have been part of Linux kernel dev since the 0.87 kernel, so that is where my strengths are.... I have already been working on an overclocked / more stable kernel for this phone from the source released for the Bionic and the RAZR, which I was able to get a hold of.... If I told you guys who my current client is I might be let out of the contract, if you know what I mean (it is one of the big 2 wireless providers and it is not Verizon), since I am doing system hardware architecture for then now.
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Jim, I appreciate everything you do for us and I will try to help and stay involved as much as I can. Like I stated earlier, I don't know jack about code or Linux or anything. What little I do is from searching and from people like you Jim. I look forward to reading everything you post because you can make a noob like be understand things . Although I still get lost in left field sometimes HaHa. We will get somewhere with this phone from the help of people like you Jim. Thank you for all the hard work you do! And thanks to everyone who is putting time into this phone!

Damn I hope that developement ramps up for this phone. I have the sgs2 skyrocket and Im getting a free atrix2 as well. The skyrocket is crazy fast.
(It wont let me post pics yet but I pull a 6314 on my sgs2sr, beating out the galaxy nexus)
This was at stock clock 1.5ghz with a stripped down stock rom. Antutu has trouble running the 1.83 oc I daily the skyrocket on. Once I get my atrix2 Ill hopefully be able to do some dev work on it

We'd love you if you did.

[Q] Protecting Root

I have a quick question about how best to protect my root.
So far I've gathered that if I'm rooted, bootloader unlocked, recovery installed, etc, then OTA updates are shut down and there's no way I can lose root.
Is that correct?
Thanks,
Chris

czucker said:
I have a quick question about how best to protect my root.
So far I've gathered that if I'm rooted, bootloader unlocked, recovery installed, etc, then OTA updates are shut down and there's no way I can lose root.
Is that correct?
Thanks,
Chris
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the best way to protect yourself from OTA updates is to install a custom ROM.

The only way you are going to lose root is by deliberately installing an OTA or RUU. You have to take a specific action to lose root. Ninjas aren't going to sneak into your house and take root away.

Not sure how you knew I'm ninjaphobic. . .
But that's good to know.
I'm happily running CleanROM as we speak.

czucker said:
Not sure how you knew I'm ninjaphobic. . .
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Isn't everyone?

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You people crack me up
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And always do helpful. Well, except when Gunny is being a "douche". His words not mine. LOL
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droidiac13 said:
And always do helpful. Well, except when Gunny is being a "douche". His words not mine. LOL
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"Douche" gunny is the best gunny, IMO.
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"Douche" gunny is the best gunny, IMO.
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I'm usually a good guy I just lose patience with the terminally stupid.

gunnyman said:
I'm usually a good guy I just lose patience with the terminally stupid.
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It brings entertainment for us so you're being a good guy for those who aren't.
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I'm usually just on these forums in the background reading and following instructions but I must chime in. You all are great and provide some funny comments. Glad to be in the one x forums. Thanks to all your contributions and patience with some of us. I will press the "thanks" button as well rather then just say it lol
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On a more related note..
Has anyone tried SuperSu Pro's root keeper functionality? Should do exactly what OP needs, but I haven't tried it with an OTA on the HOX. Also, there's an app called OTA Rootkeeper I believe and it was proven to have survived the 1.85 OTA update.
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k4p741nkrunch said:
On a more related note..
Has anyone tried SuperSu Pro's root keeper functionality? Should do exactly what OP needs, but I haven't tried it with an OTA on the HOX. Also, there's an app called OTA Rootkeeper I believe and it was proven to have survived the 1.85 OTA update.
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OTA Rootkeeper did survive the 1.85 OTA but considering that rooted users should NEVER accept an OTA, those apps are useless. There's no way to know if it will actually keep your root unless someone takes one for the team. People need to just chill out and wait till our devs come out with a rooted version or update their ROMs to the latest OTA (which usually happens before the OTA hits anyway).

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OTA Rootkeeper did survive the 1.85 OTA but considering that rooted users should NEVER accept an OTA, those apps are useless. There's no way to know if it will actually keep your root unless someone takes one for the team. People need to just chill out and wait till our devs come out with a rooted version or update their ROMs to the latest OTA (which usually happens before the OTA hits anyway).
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Preach it brother.
On another related/unrelated note have any of you ever seen so many people go apesh*t over an OTA release? I'm wondering if I should do a poll asking are you running stock urnooted or something else.
I thought XDA was about hacking.

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Crap, maybe I was wrong about ninjas sneaking in and stealing root.
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gunnyman said:
Preach it brother.
On another related/unrelated note have any of you ever seen so many people go apesh*t over an OTA release? I'm wondering if I should do a poll asking are you running stock urnooted or something else.
I thought XDA was about hacking.
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I can only imagine that these are mostly folks that are afraid to unlock the bootloader and void the warranty. Otherwise, yeah why get so excited over the OTA? The exact same version was available weeks before the OTA, as a leaked RUU.

redpoint73 said:
Crap, maybe I was wrong about ninjas sneaking in and stealing root.
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I can only imagine that these are mostly folks that are afraid to unlock the bootloader and void the warranty. Otherwise, yeah why get so excited over the OTA? The exact same version was available weeks before the OTA, as a leaked RUU.
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Well you know, sometimes a kernel dev or a ROM cooker really has a profound understanding of a device, and sometimes it's just a kid with a kitchen. The OTAs when rooted can sometimes be preferred over the available ROMs. I think that right now, stock unrooted or stock rooted is the number one daily driver for people. True, all the devs are running CleanROM, but I personally prefer all the features the phone was meant to have as opposed to some extra features with the designed features buggy or missing. This phone runs so smooth stock that I think most people don't want to mess it up. Rooting the stock and keeping root through OTAs is my method, as I can ensure noone is hiding RATs or bot frameworks on my phone and maintain stability.
My point is that the creators of this device may have made a few sacrifices for the ultimate health of the device. Sure, change the memory settings, increase the camera bitrate, alter the CPU scheduler and force the second core on, but when my phone is still running peachy keen while your One X is out of breath we'll see who made the smarter choice.
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Stock Rooted Happiness
k4p741nkrunch said:
Well you know, sometimes a kernel dev or a ROM cooker really has a profound understanding of a device, and sometimes it's just a kid with a kitchen. The OTAs when rooted can sometimes be preferred over the available ROMs. I think that right now, stock unrooted or stock rooted is the number one daily driver for people. True, all the devs are running CleanROM, but I personally prefer all the features the phone was meant to have as opposed to some extra features with the designed features buggy or missing. This phone runs so smooth stock that I think most people don't want to mess it up. Rooting the stock and keeping root through OTAs is my method, as I can ensure noone is hiding RATs or bot frameworks on my phone and maintain stability.
My point is that the creators of this device may have made a few sacrifices for the ultimate health of the device. Sure, change the memory settings, increase the camera bitrate, alter the CPU scheduler and force the second core on, but when my phone is still running peachy keen while your One X is out of breath we'll see who made the smarter choice.
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I completely, 110% couldn't agree more with you. I've never, in my experience, encountered a custom ROM that didn't end up rearing some ugly, little, niggling bug that I couldn't figure out (and sometimes, great big giant bugs).
I tried a number of ROMs on my capivate and Nexus S, and they always end up with an issue that sends me into an all-nighter, reading threads on here.
Like you said, I got tired of giving up long term stability, in order to have extra tweaks and features - as mouth wateringly tempting that they may be. I've always ended up getting frustrated with custom ROMs and going back to rooted stock, and removing bloatware.
To echo what you said, sometimes it is someone with a deep understandstanding of the device, and sometimes it's someone with a kitchen. But sometimes it's an office full of guys with a deep understanding of the device, and I like to think that they offer the best "daily driver" ROM. (I mean this as no slight against any cook or dev.)
Of course, that doesn't allow for a stock ROM with super customizability - but they have to find a happy medium somewhere between customizability and idiot proof. I happen to find that happy medium on rooted stock ROMs.
Maybe if it's announced AT&T isn't going to release a Jelly bean update for this device, then I'll likely consider a custom ROM. Until then, like you said, "this phone runs so smooth stock."

k4p741nkrunch said:
Well you know, sometimes a kernel dev or a ROM cooker really has a profound understanding of a device, and sometimes it's just a kid with a kitchen. The OTAs when rooted can sometimes be preferred over the available ROMs. I think that right now, stock unrooted or stock rooted is the number one daily driver for people. True, all the devs are running CleanROM, but I personally prefer all the features the phone was meant to have as opposed to some extra features with the designed features buggy or missing. This phone runs so smooth stock that I think most people don't want to mess it up. Rooting the stock and keeping root through OTAs is my method, as I can ensure noone is hiding RATs or bot frameworks on my phone and maintain stability.
My point is that the creators of this device may have made a few sacrifices for the ultimate health of the device. Sure, change the memory settings, increase the camera bitrate, alter the CPU scheduler and force the second core on, but when my phone is still running peachy keen while your One X is out of breath we'll see who made the smarter choice.
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You completely misunderstood my point. I didn't even mention custom ROMs, and that's not what I was talking about. I specifically mentioned the leaked RUU, which is the exact same versions as the present OTA, and was available weeks before the OTA. The only difference is that until the root method was found for 1.85, you needed to unlock the bootloader before running the RUU in order to have root.
Plus, I've seen OTAs on other devices that caused much more problems than the RUU. RUU is a completely clean install. OTA is almost always just a messy patch.
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nespid said:
I completely, 110% couldn't agree more with you. I've never, in my experience, encountered a custom ROM that didn't end up rearing some ugly, little, niggling bug that I couldn't figure out (and sometimes, great big giant bugs).
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As I already replied to the other guy, I wasn't even talking about custom ROMs. Not sure how you guys even got off on that tangent. But since we're already there . . .
Your experience with custom ROM is unfortunate. I've used numerous custom ROMs by various devs on the Desire Z that were more stable than stock, and even fixed bugs that were present on stock. Early in a ROMs lifespan, there may be bugs. Especially if the ROM is a port from another device. Devs will sometimes even name their ROM as "beta" during this time period. But once many ROMs are given a little time to reach maturity, they will often be more stable than stock.
Sure, the stock ROM is a fine place to be for many people. This is the first Android device I've owned where the stock firmware didn't completely suck. And stock ROM with root, even better. But don't sell custom ROMs completely short.

Leaving BL locked (for now).
gunnyman said:
Preach it brother.
On another related/unrelated note have any of you ever seen so many people go apesh*t over an OTA release? I'm wondering if I should do a poll asking are you running stock urnooted or something else.
I thought XDA was about hacking.
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I can only imagine that these are mostly folks that are afraid to unlock the bootloader and void the warranty. Otherwise, yeah why get so excited over the OTA? The exact same version was available weeks before the OTA, as a leaked RUU.[/QUOTE]
I can't speak for anyone else, but I think this is what I was speaking to in response to why I stay away from custom ROMs. It's not that I am afraid to unlock BL, or that I am ape poo for an OTA. I've just found the most stability in stock ROMs. And yes, of course, no stock ROM is without its own issues, but at least I have the recourse to go back to AT&T and say, "Hey, this device smells. Replace it, please."
Redpoint, you're right about custom ROMs reaching maturity. That's why I mentioned that if AT&T announces no Jelly Bean update, I would likely consider a custom ROM. Although, I would probably wait a good while before flashing anything to allow for that "maturity" you mentioned. I have a friend who runs CM9 nightly builds, and never encounters issues - but I don't think he tinkers as much as I do. He seems to flash a custom ROM, and leave it "stock". I always flash custom and start going bananas trying every tweak under the sun - I think this is the err of my ways. I need to learn moderation. haha
And as far as why I was looking for an answer to the OTA update on rooted devices, my concern was that my device would flash the update without my consent. Should that have happened, I wanted to see what I was up against. Otherwise, I am still happily on 1.73 and I have no desire to update to 1.85, at this time. As far as I am aware, it addresses some wifi connectivity issues (that I am not experiencing), and it seems to have created a battery drain issue (which I am also not experiencing).

stock UCLB3 > any other ROM

With stock ROM I get:
• 2-3 day battery life
• All apps work
• Strongest signal
• 100% working wifi
• fastest overall, zero load time for almost everything
• and finally I don't need to install gapps or anything
With any other ROM I get:
• Possibly 1 day battery life
• Orgasm if I get any signal at all
• Wifi works completely on one in a billion roms, flaky on most
• Bluetooth rarely works
• No fix for any issues on ROMs that don't have major devs working on them
• Some apps don't work, and on a few ROMs some apps even kill the system and make it hot reboot
• Lag like it's a 3-year-old donut phone with the processor speed of a retarded potato with AIDS
• some need gapps, which is annoying to re-install every time you update, which also, you have to do every few days instead of once a year
So my conclusion is that screw custom ROMs. It might just be my device but that's how it plays out. I'll be much more careful to buy a phone that will have real support in the future, like the SGS II, Captivate, and SGS III do/will have.
Oh yeah and about my sig, that is the only ROM that I've gotten close to working 100%. And he's not a gtg, but he's got more support than big devs like that ever did, so if you're a sheep and need to use custom ROMs go with MoM.
/rant

I apologize, but I strongly detest the statement. I do respect every bit of what you have said, but I really do think that it is just a matter of personal use.
I have ran Aeon and other amazing custom ROMs and so far the best I have tried was Zeus 6. There are a few kinks, but hey-- it works!
Consequently, though, it's all a matter of personal preference. Some people prefer the debloated stock and customize it their own (i.e., build.prop tweaks, etc).
What I am getting at here is that there is no need to bash other custom ROMs. Although you did not point your finger on any specific one, but it really means a lot for people to like the developers' work. It's an Android Device... This is the main reason we got this: open source.

Wayzate...your really looking to get flamed...lol
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bigjoe2675 said:
Wayzate...your really looking to get flamed...lol
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As if I didn't know that already. :silly:
Crinkypops said:
I apologize, but I strongly detest the statement. I do respect every bit of what you have said, but I really do think that it is just a matter of personal use.
I have ran Aeon and other amazing custom ROMs and so far the best I have tried was Zeus 6. There are a few kinks, but hey-- it works!
Consequently, though, it's all a matter of personal preference. Some people prefer the debloated stock and customize it their own (i.e., build.prop tweaks, etc).
What I am getting at here is that there is no need to bash other custom ROMs. Although you did not point your finger on any specific one, but it really means a lot for people to like the developers' work. It's an Android Device... This is the main reason we got this: open source.
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I didn't really say anything bad about any specific ROM. Only specific ROM I mentioned is MoM and it was only to say something good.

wayzata said:
As if I didn't know that already. :silly:
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Seriously...if you need attention go else where.

Well I can put g appz in the /data/app partition
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wayzata said:
With stock ROM I get:
• 2-3 day battery life
• All apps work
• Strongest signal
• 100% working wifi
• fastest overall, zero load time for almost everything
• and finally I don't need to install gapps or anything
With any other ROM I get:
• Possibly 1 day battery life
• Orgasm if I get any signal at all
• Wifi works completely on one in a billion roms, flaky on most
• Bluetooth rarely works
• No fix for any issues on ROMs that don't have major devs working on them
• Some apps don't work, and on a few ROMs some apps even kill the system and make it hot reboot
• Lag like it's a 3-year-old donut phone with the processor speed of a retarded potato with AIDS
• some need gapps, which is annoying to re-install every time you update, which also, you have to do every few days instead of once a year
So my conclusion is that screw custom ROMs. It might just be my device but that's how it plays out. I'll be much more careful to buy a phone that will have real support in the future, like the SGS II, Captivate, and SGS III do/will have.
Oh yeah and about my sig, that is the only ROM that I've gotten close to working 100%. And he's not a gtg, but he's got more support than big devs like that ever did, so if you're a sheep and need to use custom ROMs go with MoM.
/rant
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I get the opposite results of u bro... my lag on stock is sooo bad that I was about to throw my phone on the ground as hard as I could. Ics with some tweaks was awesome, jellybean should be really good if it ever comes. Now on my tablet stock on that is pretty good, with aosp it would fly though.

Trolling like this is unproductive and is intended only to offend those who contribute to this device. My vote is that someone close this thread, and that wayzata start keeping his opinions of devs to himself.

Make sure you zip it up, this is going to be one of those threads, chief haha
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Plus, I agree with ryanscool, any time I have to use stock B3, everything is laggy. Personally, I think that Sammy just did such a crappy job on official GB and used halfass or dirty fixes to make it work. So when ppl try to mod, the crappiness comes out...
There are tons of work being done on the Infuse and I was here when ppl said development was dead; you gotta appreciate what's here man.
My advice Way, stay with stock and stop these random threads broskie
-Mac
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jscott30 said:
Trolling like this is unproductive and is intended only to offend those who contribute to this device. My vote is that someone close this thread, and that wayzata start keeping his opinions of devs to himself.
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Well Jscott, I don't think we are going to change anyone's stance on the matter, I mean, after all we are just "unpopular devs." What do we know. lol

He must be needing a galaxy note
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Cute how it's all butthurt devs taking offense to something I didn't even imply, let alone say directly.

wayzata said:
Cute how it's all butthurt devs taking offense to something I didn't even imply, let alone say directly.
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I honestly don't see any xda recognized developers replying to your posts. They most likely have better things to do. I'm no dev, and haven't claimed to be. I'm not mad or even remotely upset, but I do think that you're being a troll. It irritates me enough that you're one of the few people that I'll ever choose to ignore on this site - and I must say, for me, that takes a lot, so congratulations on that.
By the way, here's what you've said directly, and it implies plenty to justify people being irritated with your trolling.:
wayzata said:
Anyone still using this? I'm using it as a last option because no custom ROMs seem to be working as fully as this. ICS has a ton of bugs, and modified GB ROMs are made by unpopular devs with little bug support.
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jscott30 said:
I honestly don't see any xda recognized developers replying to your posts. They most likely have better things to do. I'm no dev, and haven't claimed to be. I'm not mad or even remotely upset, but I do think that you're being a troll. It irritates me enough that you're one of the few people that I'll ever choose to ignore on this site - and I must say, for me, that takes a lot, so congratulations on that.
By the way, here's what you've said directly, and it implies plenty to justify people being irritated with your trolling.:
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Nuff said
-Mac

Custom Roms are not for everyone so if you prefer a stock rom then go for it.
Thread closed
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Custom ROMS

I really do appreciate all the hard work DEVS put into building ROMS. But I really get frustrated with very buggy ROMS or ROMS not stable for daily use being released WITHOUT IT BEING KNOWN. I mean forgive me if I am wrong but how can someone build a stock ROM and make it run worse than stock? I'm not trying to criticize negatively, but am I alone on this? I think everything about a ROM should be posted on the OP. Not just some stuff but everything like "Known issues" "What doesnt work" and "bugs" should be the first thing we see instead having to look for it and being linked to other sites and what not. I am not trying to sound ungrateful but I really depend on ROMS and would start to DEV myself but find myself too busy providing for my family. I donate when I can and appreciate all the work but maybe there should be a category for only "Stable ROMS" and "Daily Drivers"

in my opinion except Lg devides(Because still I have a Lg), usually stock rom better than costum roms... Almost all costum roms have some problem

Agreed. Just run NoSympathys deodexed, zipaligned, debloated stock rom with imo's v0.1 leankernal...runs amazing..on my way to a 15 hr battery
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ekklesiaillusion said:
Agreed. Just run NoSympathys deodexed, zipaligned, debloated stock rom with imo's v0.1 leankernal...runs amazing..on my way to a 15 hr battery
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Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent )
Imagine, if you will, oc'ed aosp speeds on a stock rom.....
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ekklesiaillusion said:
Agreed. Just run NoSympathys deodexed, zipaligned, debloated stock rom with imo's v0.1 leankernal...runs amazing..on my way to a 15 hr battery
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I dont know why I didnt think of that in the first place. Thanks for the tip.

TechSavvy2 said:
Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent )
Imagine, if you will, oc'ed aosp speeds on a stock rom.....
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I have been running synergy and have had issues ever since 1.3. BTW we're not incompetent just to clear that up.

TechSavvy2 said:
Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent )
Imagine, if you will, oc'ed aosp speeds on a stock rom.....
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agreed !:laugh::laugh:

TechSavvy2 said:
Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent )
Imagine, if you will, oc'ed aosp speeds on a stock rom.....
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Run synergy and have bugs in every version? No thanks. Tried it before nosympathy and couldnt switch calls, new version came out 2 days later and had no mms over 160 characters along with settings force close. Its a nice rom, but flashing a new version or fix every other day just doesnt make sense to me.
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addictedhacks said:
I dont know why I didnt think of that in the first place. Thanks for the tip.
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No problem. Ive ran every rom available out now and this set up is by far the best.
addictedhacks said:
I have been running synergy and have had issues ever since 1.3. BTW we're not incompetent just to clear that up.
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Yeah incompetant has nothing to do. Not wanting to flash fixes and new versions every other day
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Or just run what you like and stop bad mouthing each others' choices and the devs.
/thread

So the point of this thread was??? Waste of space imo:banghead:
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bobloblaw1 said:
Or just run what you like and stop bad mouthing each others' choices and the devs.
/thread
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Bad mouthing? Every post i said the rom is nice, just not for me. Explain how that is bad mouthing? I explained my experience with that rom. Am i only allowed to say good things about it? No its called feedback (good or bad). Get off your internet high horse.
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I have been running Synergy for many versions now and never had any of the issues that people have reported, like GPS lock issues, etc.
The ROM is incredibly fast, I get great battery, and bug free for me!

Synergy 1.3 in my opinion works the best on my phone. No problems with battery,gps,kernels or even theming.
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hopesrequiem said:
So the point of this thread was??? Waste of space imo:banghead:
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How have you gotten away with not bricking every phone you have ever touched without reading the O.P.?
I really do appreciate all the hard work DEVS put into building ROMS. But I really get frustrated with very buggy ROMS or ROMS not stable for daily use being released WITHOUT IT BEING KNOWN. I mean forgive me if I am wrong but how can someone build a stock ROM and make it run worse than stock? I'm not trying to criticize negatively, but am I alone on this? I think everything about a ROM should be posted on the OP. Not just some stuff but everything like "Known issues" "What doesnt work" and "bugs" should be the first thing we see instead having to look for it and being linked to other sites and what not. I am not trying to sound ungrateful but I really depend on ROMS and would start to DEV myself but find myself too busy providing for my family. I donate when I can and appreciate all the work but maybe there should be a category for only "Stable ROMS" and "Daily Drivers"

ekklesiaillusion said:
Bad mouthing? Every post i said the rom is nice, just not for me. Explain how that is bad mouthing? I explained my experience with that rom. Am i only allowed to say good things about it? No its called feedback (good or bad). Get off your internet high horse.
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So you try to prove you aren't bad-mouthing by making a negative comment about me??
Furthermore, feedback is specific and constructive. Bringing up issues from old builds that are no longer relevant helps no one and leads to a false impression of how the ROM is TODAY.
A sample of what you have said:
ekklesiaillusion said:
Run synergy and have bugs in every version? No thanks. Tried it before nosympathy and couldnt switch calls, new version came out 2 days later and had no mms over 160 characters along with settings force close. Its a nice rom, but flashing a new version or fix every other day just doesnt make sense to me.
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Yeah incompetant has nothing to do. Not wanting to flash fixes and new versions every other day
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Of course, those issues don't exist anymore (or ever for some of them except for you apparently).
Some other wonderful gems of wisdom from this thread:
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in my opinion except Lg devides(Because still I have a Lg), usually stock rom better than costum roms... Almost all costum roms have some problem
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Well that was helpful.
TechSavvy2 said:
Or......run Synergy and get a day and a half like tons of us have gotten.....with no issues (unless you're incompetent
)
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This may or may not be true but again, not at all helpful for anyone.
Again, this is a development forum. Things are sometimes broken, half-finished, and often WIP. If you don't like what the devs release, then don't flash it. Your other option is to wait until a dev releases a milestone or stable release. It's really that simple.

Some of these devs are amazing and put out some truly awesome work, however these guys are doing it mostly as a hobby or maybe for donations...but I'll bet they all must work a fulltime job.
The factory roms have probably been dissected by over a dozen or more Sammy peeps before even getting to Red for their further adjustments. Therefore it seems reasonable that the stock roms would be more stable and less buggy. That's common sense!
The custom roms allow user to get rid of unneeded bloat as well as adding in hacks and such. Not to mention almost unlimited theming possibilities.
Every dev inserts a disclaimer in their thread for a reason...YOU INSTALL THEIR ROM AT YOUR OWN RISK! So live with it...or live with stock.

addictedhacks said:
How have you gotten away with not bricking every phone you have ever touched without reading the O.P.?
I really do appreciate all the hard work DEVS put into building ROMS. But I really get frustrated with very buggy ROMS or ROMS not stable for daily use being released WITHOUT IT BEING KNOWN. I mean forgive me if I am wrong but how can someone build a stock ROM and make it run worse than stock? I'm not trying to criticize negatively, but am I alone on this? I think everything about a ROM should be posted on the OP. Not just some stuff but everything like "Known issues" "What doesnt work" and "bugs" should be the first thing we see instead having to look for it and being linked to other sites and what not. I am not trying to sound ungrateful but I really depend on ROMS and would start to DEV myself but find myself too busy providing for my family. I donate when I can and appreciate all the work but maybe there should be a category for only "Stable ROMS" and "Daily Drivers"
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I've had multiple rooted phones. I know how to recover possible bricks. I don't ***** about small issues that ARE in fact known and stated. If you need your phone working 100%, then why run custom software that's experimental? I'm amazed YOU haven't bricked yet you negative Nancy.
PS if its not stated in the op, then read the ******* thread and stop being lazy as hell and expecting these guys to do everything for you.....:banghead:
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bobloblaw1 said:
So you try to prove you aren't bad-mouthing by making a negative comment about me??
Furthermore, feedback is specific and constructive. Bringing up issues from old builds that are no longer relevant helps no one and leads to a false impression of how the ROM is TODAY.
A sample of what you have said:
Of course, those issues don't exist anymore (or ever for some of them except for you apparently).
Some other wonderful gems of wisdom from this thread:
Well that was helpful.
This may or may not be true but again, not at all helpful for anyone.
Again, this is a development forum. Things are sometimes broken, half-finished, and often WIP. If you don't like what the devs release, then don't flash it. Your other option is to wait until a dev releases a milestone or stable release. It's really that simple.
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You nailed it. Addict was the only person having issues with Synergy rom and whined and complained from the start that it was the roms fault. Funny that no one else had the issues that he was having. He obviously dorked something up/restored system data from an old build/installed a bad app/never checked md5s or something of that nature.
Then he goes and makes a thread about buggy roms when we all know exactly what he is referring to and we all know it was his own doing.
For everyone's information, Synergy is an awesome rom and has been since it was released. I have had zero issues outside of what I thought was a gps issue but that was my own mess up. I think a few had a different gps issue and that was it and that has since been solved.
Stop spreading crap info addict. You jacked your system up somehow and it had nothing to do with Synergy rom.
Edit: like others said if you want a "perfect" rom then stick with stock. I just don't understand what your complaint is about. It's not like stock doesn't work and someone is forcing you to flash roms every night.
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Seems the OP got his answer and to prevent further flaming let's just close this.
To the OP, Devs take time away from their family and providing for them to make ROMs out of sheer enjoyment.
They make them for themselves and share them.
It is impossible to find every bug before the ROM is released. Even Samsung can''t do that.
It also takes a lot of time to support a ROM, updating the thread everytime a real bug is found, not just someone who can't flash or mixed in a bad app or data.
You really should try to make your own ROM, release it and support it before making a crappy thread like this.
If you depend on your phone then you should definitely stick to stock and pray there are not bugs unreported there.
Thank you for your cooperation
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