Hi,
Yes, I'm a noob but I'm a smart noob. I refuse to just "jump" in without having enough knowledge about what is necessary to properly modify my phone (AT&T HOX). I have looked up terms I was unfamiliar with etc and sat and waited patiently reading other people's issues. I like many come from Apple (thankfully I switched away) and jailbreaking was about as easy as it got. So here goes.....
1. I am really most interested (at the time being) in getting rid of the ridiculous apps these phones come plugged up with.
2. I already think the phone is fast (light years faster than any iPhone I owned), so what are some of your (members) opinions on WHY you want to flash a custom rom?
3. Do you have to put a new rom in or once it's rooted can I simply have it "stock" and have the freedom to delete apps that I don't want on the phone?
If I've offended anyone here I apologize. Searching for answers on the Internet sometimes is a joke. I did find this tool in the developer's section and I know I'd start here (already downloaded and looked it over) [TOOL] HTC One X (Evita) All-In-One Toolkit V1.1 [10-28-12] [PERM ROOT][Noob-Proof]
but I feel there is a bit more that I'm missing.
I don't want my hand held but rather to allay any fears of turning my phone into a relic, rather than a useful device. I'm about to graduate with a computer support degree, so some of this real heavy duty stuff isn't exactly taught to us students.
I'd appreciate any advice and help from you all and thanks for having a source filled with so many helpful individuals and information
Thanks in advance,
Jon
This is where you should start (my index thread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
1) Rooting will enable you to uninstall bloatware.
2) Reasons for flashing custom ROMs are many. Yes, the phone is very fast. But believe it or not, there are some that want to squeeze even more performance out of the device. Custom ROMs will often include tweaks to improve speed, but also memory management (multi-tasking). Some people like the vanilla (no Sense) look of AOSP ROMs. And also AOSP based ROMs feel more fluid in the launcher, as well as some apps run faster. Custom ROMs have some cool features that don't exist on stock: Extended Quick Settings, Advanced Power Menu, Paranoid Android settings, theming support and much more.
3) You can just unlock the bootloader and root without flashing a custom ROM. If you aren't too familiar with flashing custom ROMs, this may in fact be a good place to start. Become familiar with what root gives you, before flashing ROMs.
The all-in-one tool you mentioned is correct if your phone is on the 2.20 firmware. If it happens to be an earlier firmware, use the corresponding root method as indicated in my index.
2. It's like buying a new Dell or HP Laptop. It comes with tons of random crap pre-installed that you don't need. Sure, the computer might already be "fast", but you can always make it faster by uninstalling said apps. However, there are usually tons of them, and they're deeply embedded into the OS. Even if you go into add or remove programs and uninstall all of the apps that they have given you, there's usually still random crap installed... You might want to start fresh - I always do. So, when I buy a laptop the first thing I do is install windows manually and download the newest and updated drivers. Now the machine is fast. :good:
This is the same principle for your phone. This is why people want to install a custom ROM (like CleanROM) that doesn't include any of the carrier crap and is just a fresh, base install.
3. You could, if you really, really wanted keep the AT&T stock ROM on there... but there is no reason to. If you installed something like CleanROM it is already optimized, and you can select what stock carrier apps you want included during the installation. The defaults will leave you almost perfect though... This could be thought of as doing a fresh windows install to remove all that crap they embedded deep into the OS. There are no flashy lights, it is just a base ROM that's optimized for speed, performance, and stability.
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
On stock vs. ROM:
I am stock/rooted on my Nexus 7 because it's already vanilla Android, and I haven't seen any need to soup it up.
Stock Sense, on the other hand, has a lot of annoying elements that HTC built into it for various reasons: patent disputes, branding, stability, etc. Most or all of this can and should be removed. One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it. Removing this limitation is easy. Another is the gimped multitasking that HTC set up to prioritize Sense over everything else. And since Sense is still bloated, this greatly limits multitasking. For the most part, CleanROM is Sense with all this unnecessary crap removed.
I was where you are back in May when I got this thing, and I'm happy as a clam on CleanROM.
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So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
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I've actually bounced around from CleanROM, ViperXL and other custom ROMs, as well as stock rooted ROMs. I've spent a good amount of time on Asian and Euro stock ROMs, with bloat frozen (in Titanium, not even removed), and the difference in performance (speed) between these and custom ROMs is negligible, if any. Maybe memory management is better on the custom ROMs, but its never been as much of a peeve to me, as others here.
While its true that the AT&T stock ROM has lots of bloat, and some things stupidly removed (FM radio, flashlight, WiFi tethering), but its really not bad. And the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it.
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Just AT&T stock has the HTCLinkify crap. Links work fine on stock ROMs for any other carrier, AFAIK.
It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
So in the tool for 2.20 firmware, twrp is in the data file already from the download? I had to go their site and read about what it was. I just don't want to start off on the wrong foot.
You've all been nice to me, even though I'm a flaming noob to unlocking/rooting. I figure to prevent myself from being stupid later, I should be smart now. Hahaha.
I greatly appreciate all the insight and advice so far.
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redpoint73 said:
IAnd the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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He's stated that he's waiting for JB. But yeah, he's developing for about six devices now. We take what we can get.
ToxicWaste said:
It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
ToxicWaste said:
OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
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I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
inksoldier said:
I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
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I actually agree with what you said about my OP. I jailbroke my iPhones with ease but coming here to Android was a complete night and day difference. It's clearly not the same at all. This is more difficult by far. But after looking at tons of threads, asking questions and assuring myself I can do it, I unlocked and rooted a few days ago. Went pretty much without a hiccup. For now I'm staying stock rooted and exploring the phone. I'm already itching for a Rom but that can wait.
I do feel bad for some people that post here without searching for threads pertaining to rooting but I think it's in how you ask and come off here.
Did you use the all in one toolkit? Did you use it to flash your Rom as well?
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I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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ToxicWaste said:
Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
iElvis said:
Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Not on the app. But I'm running viperxl. I got this phone over the s3 because I like sense.
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iElvis said:
Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Ya I didn't see it listed on his xda app. Haha
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Not on the app.
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Derp. I need to read sig lines too.
If I install a custom ROM would I lose beatsaudio?
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MR2 will be coming via OTA in the next couple of days MR2 has been through four different revisions and will be based on the 1.70.xx code. There are a number of fixes but the most important should be fixing the reboots and improving the 4G/3G transitions.
I know everyone is waiting for GB which is MR3, but it still needs some time. The good news is that it is being worked on it is already on its fifth SW revision.
Awesome. I can wait for GB no problem, I just want a fix for the reboots. I'm sick of my phone rebooting 5+ times a day, happy an update is coming soon.
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OR... you could just scoot on over to the dev forum and pick yourself up a spiffy new rom built on MR2 which is quite solid and fast and will use the same or very similar radios to what will be in the OTA. I tried a couple of them. They are spartan on fancy stuff, but they are reliable if nothing else. Possibly the most functional and reliable roms over there.
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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My thoughts exactly. Sure I would like to avoid the reboots (given I have had 2 in a 3 week period), and maybe a faster better radio, but the software and sense is so solid.
need bb said:
MR2 will be coming via OTA in the next couple of days MR2 has been through four different revisions and will be based on the 1.70.xx code. There are a number of fixes but the most important should be fixing the reboots and improving the 4G/3G transitions.
I know everyone is waiting for GB which is MR3, but it still needs some time. The good news is that it is being worked on it is already on its fifth SW revision.
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Where did you get this info?
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Where did you get this info?
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Flawed info at that. But anyway
The OP history suggests that assumptions and rumors have been listened to and taken as gospel.
animez said:
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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Bingo.. agreed 100%
Coming from HTC devices like the 8525, ATT Tilt, and Touch Pro 2, Ive just about had my share of ROMs for a lifetime. I just want something that works. After paying all this money, Im gonna let Verizon and HTC do what they're supposed to do.
animez said:
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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I agree with wanting an official update, but the stock rom is far from good. Yes the speed is good but the battery life is horrible. With custom roms I have been able to triple my battery life and limit the random reboots I was getting stock, along with the already good speed being improved. Das BAMF Stripped 1.8
animez said:
Why does someone always have to pop intro threads like this and state the obvious. I'm sure everyone with a Thunderbolt that frequents these forums is aware that rooting and installing a custom rom is an option. Some people have their reasons for wanting to stay stock.
I for one am still stock because this is the first phone I've had in quite a while that the stock rom is quite good. I spent a long time on WinMo, so I am used to custom roms just the make the device functional. Right now custom roms on the TB are mostly just different, not necessarily a huge need to me (GB roms are debatable on this point).
Once the custom roms offer something I want that I can't get from stock (and mature a bit more), I'm sure I'll root and rom. For now I'm enjoying stock stability and a working camera. Just because someone can do something doesn't make it something they need to do.
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agreed. So far only 1 reboot in 2 weeks (apparently that is good) and I get occasional instances where home button doesn't want to work.
I just wish the damn thing rebooted faster. It takes almost 2 minutes to boot, then another couple of minutes before sense is responsive.
Coming from the hd7 and 25 second boot times, this is killer...
I also made/used custom roms on my q9c, tp2 and hd2, but want to give stock a chance. Maybe I will root if I decide I need to tether, but so far, things are looking good stock.
Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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alot of us are. thanks for your concern.
adrynalyne said:
Flawed info at that. But anyway
The OP history suggests that assumptions and rumors have been listened to and taken as gospel.
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But I read it on the internet, so that has to make it true.
mr2.5 is treating me well and ive had zero reboots. i can wait a bit for the new radio.
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Pushed to mid July
Lol enjoy stock
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#1 how do you know it's been pushed back?
#2 i think most on here and happily enjoying gingerbread but thanks for the concern.
Some documents state we will be getting a removal of free mobile hotspot via ota July 6th . Maybe it will be attached to the update .
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Both the MR2 and the MR2.5 have been a good temporary fix for me, until a new radio is released.
Crazyhtown = Lol enjoy stock[/QUOTE said:
Not really called for man. Stock, Ropoted Stock Or GB, Does it really matter, lets just help each other instead of some acting like they are better because you are on something besides stock.
Stock runs very well and so do the roms the devs are busting their butts to put out, still doesn't mean we have to knock each other...
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"mr2" we leaked on the forums is NOT mr2. 1.66/1.67/1.68/1.69 will not be MR2.
I can confirm OP's comments on the current "mr2" candidate version number, and give a approximate release of july 6th. With verizon things are given to change, the release date can change, so can the version being released.
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Not really called for man. Stock, Ropoted Stock Or GB, Does it really matter, lets just help each other instead of some acting like they are better because you are on something besides stock.
Stock runs very well and so do the roms the devs are busting their butts to put out, still doesn't mean we have to knock each other...
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His comment was pretty blunt/unhelpful and rude, but there does tend to be some complaining from those that want to have their cake (those that don't want to root) and eat it too (still want updates/workarounds as quick as those that have root).
Those that seem to be frustrated by such things, perhaps android is not the phone for them or at least android phones that are not officially blessed by google (nexus phones).
So, I finally flashed a ROM onto my Atrix 2 for the first time the other day.
Synopsis
Long story short the twitter app crashed my phone and threw it into a boot-loop, I did some research, quickly learned the in's-and-out's of flashing ROM's, flashed the stock-ROM for my device, fully updated my device, and became a better man for it...okay, well maybe not that last part!
The nitty-gritty
What happened was I was trying to update my twitter when the app locked up after hitting the 'submit' button. I tried to force-close the program but to no avail. Then I had the bright idea of shutting down my phone. This is where the fun began.
After re-booting my phone, I discovered that it was stuck in a boot-loop. Now, my phone has been rooted for a little over a month. There were no issues that occurred after I rooted my phone up until that point. This is what leaves me to believe that Twitter corrupted some app data.
After this happened I took to the internet and scoured over forums (this one chief among them), articles, videos, and even asked a few fellow-android users here in the real world. Everywhere I looked lead me to this term I had feared up until this point: Flashing.
I understood that flashing a ROM was just like installing a new operating system. I had toyed around with Linux before just a bit and am savvy-ish when it comes to computers. However, I was so terrified of bricking my phone in trying to flash a new ROM onto it (I would have been track-phoning for around a year until my next manufacturer subsidy came out on my account.)
After discovering terms like deodexed, CM7, stock, AP Fastboot, RSD Lite, and hardware-key reset, I felt like I was finally able to attempt the flashing. The first few attempts failed as I didn't realize I didn't have enough battery life to sustain the flashing process.
After charging it up, I flashed the stock ROM onto my phone. The moment it went from the red M puddle screen to the dripping AT&T sphere, then onward to the ROM was a moment of pure joy (not to sound corny.) I felt like I had beat-the-system. A problem that would have forced others to return their phone to the store was a problem that I fixed myself.
Final Thought
I know this is rather cinematic for it being a simple flash job on an android device. But, for me, this was quite exhilarating. I'm not comfortable flashing anything lower than full-release ROM's (beta and alpha ROM's are a bit beyond my scope right now.) But, I do look forward to testing out various full-release ROM's as they become available.
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So, I finally flashed a ROM onto my Atrix 2 for the first time the other day.
Synopsis
Long story short the twitter app crashed my phone and threw it into a boot-loop, I did some research, quickly learned the in's-and-out's of flashing ROM's, flashed the stock-ROM for my device, fully updated my device, and became a better man for it...okay, well maybe not that last part!
The nitty-gritty
What happened was I was trying to update my twitter when the app locked up after hitting the 'submit' button. I tried to force-close the program but to no avail. Then I had the bright idea of shutting down my phone. This is where the fun began.
After re-booting my phone, I discovered that it was stuck in a boot-loop. Now, my phone has been rooted for a little over a month. There were no issues that occurred after I rooted my phone up until that point. This is what leaves me to believe that Twitter corrupted some app data.
After this happened I took to the internet and scoured over forums (this one chief among them), articles, videos, and even asked a few fellow-android users here in the real world. Everywhere I looked lead me to this term I had feared up until this point: Flashing.
I understood that flashing a ROM was just like installing a new operating system. I had toyed around with Linux before just a bit and am savvy-ish when it comes to computers. However, I was so terrified of bricking my phone in trying to flash a new ROM onto it (I would have been track-phoning for around a year until my next manufacturer subsidy came out on my account.)
After discovering terms like deodexed, CM7, stock, AP Fastboot, RSD Lite, and hardware-key reset, I felt like I was finally able to attempt the flashing. The first few attempts failed as I didn't realize I didn't have enough battery life to sustain the flashing process.
After charging it up, I flashed the stock ROM onto my phone. The moment it went from the red M puddle screen to the dripping AT&T sphere, then onward to the ROM was a moment of pure joy (not to sound corny.) I felt like I had beat-the-system. A problem that would have forced others to return their phone to the store was a problem that I fixed myself.
Final Thought
I know this is rather cinematic for it being a simple flash job on an android device. But, for me, this was quite exhilarating. I'm not comfortable flashing anything lower than full-release ROM's (beta and alpha ROM's are a bit beyond my scope right now.) But, I do look forward to testing out various full-release ROM's as they become available.
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In all technicality all you're doing when flashing a rom (at least now) is installing some tweaked files such as build.prop or some tweaked system files for themes. By no means is it a new OS. But once a main kernel Dec finished up with a CM7 kernel we should be able to flash a custom kernel which is the meat of what really runs your phone. Really the stuff we can do right now only really have to do withtl the UI.
But anyways welcome to the world of android development!
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Congrats on flashing your first ROM . Sorry to hear it didn't completely work out for your. Quick question: did you wipe the Dalvik Cache as part of the flashing process?
By the way, most of the ROMs labeled "beta" are pretty stable. If a ROM has had more than a few updates and it's still in beta, it's mostly because the developer is either planning on adding more features for the full release or is a perfectionist
Well, as you can tell it's a sharp learning curve. But welcome to the world of Android hacking/modding/whateveryoucallit, and happy flashing
wait, are you telling me that there are actually people who do research before complaining about some little thing they don't know how to do?!?!?!?!?!?!?
FINALLY
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LOL.. good story/nice read.. Welcome!
I would say it worked out pretty well. I will probably flash a custom ROM later on this week. I will also keep reading up on the whole process and the it's and out's.
I cleared both user data and the dalvik cache as well. Pretty much at that point I was desperate. Lolz
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wait, are you telling me that there are actually people who do research before complaining about some little thing they don't know how to do?!?!?!?!?!?!?
FINALLY
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Hahaha.. Well, with this involving my phone (for which I don't have the hundreds of dollars to buy one outside the manufacturers subsidy) I wanted to make sure I was doing things right.
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I would say it worked out pretty well. I will probably flash a custom ROM later on this week. I will also keep reading up on the whole process and the it's and out's.
I cleared both user data and the dalvik cache as well. Pretty much at that point I was desperate. Lolz
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its really easy, so you should go ahead, the roms we have are way better than stock. Lithium is y favorite right now.
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LOL.. good story/nice read.. Welcome!
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Glad you enjoyed it! I am happy that my twitter app decided to crash, now.
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Hahaha.. Well, with this involving my phone (for which I don't have the hundreds of dollars to buy one outside the manufacturers subsidy) I wanted to make sure I was doing things right.
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I second that.. better to take your time to research, and do things right the first time...
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its really easy, so you should go ahead, the roms we have are way better than stock. Lithium is y favorite right now.
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^Total opinion about stock and custom... I'm on stock/odex/modded/tweaked with some bells and whistles... nice, responsive, and stable..
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^Total opinion about stock and custom... I'm on stock/odex/modded/tweaked with some bells and whistles... nice, responsive, and stable..
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I agree. Spent this weekend working on the Stock 2.3.6 rooted/odexed. Added the Superv6, and other mods, hotspot wifi fix, removed bloat. Definitely more fun this way. Then again I had a buttload of practice on my original ATRIX.
And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!
dicksteele said:
And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!
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Yes without that I would of had an expensive paperweight to many times
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I agree. Spent this weekend working on the Stock 2.3.6 rooted/odexed. Added the Superv6, and other mods, hotspot wifi fix, removed bloat. Definitely more fun this way. Then again I had a buttload of practice on my original ATRIX.
And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!
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How exactly do I identify bloatware? I have two programs to do that Titanium backup and Rom Manager as well as a few 3p uninstallers. However, I never know exactly what to delete?
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How exactly do I identify bloatware? I have two programs to do that Titanium backup and Rom Manager as well as a few 3p uninstallers. However, I never know exactly what to delete?
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DON'T ever delete any programs. It is better to use something like bloat freezer, and freeze these apps, than to delete them.
The updates check for missing "bloatware" and will fail to install the updates due to ANY missing apps, that came with the stock image.
If you want a debloated image, then use one of the more custom ROMS like lithium, or Supercharged, etc.
If you use a debloated ROM, then you can always flash the fxz back before any updates come out, we tend to start screaming pretty load on here when updates start to arrive as you may have already seen this week with the ICS leaks.
P.S. It is VERY hard to hardbrick this phone, it took me killing the signature on the kernel to get my first hardbrick, and I have had 3 more hardbricks. I have the warranty through att, so I never worry about things like that, since I am a dev and take my phones life into my own hands, and ATT always has exchanged my phone on the spot for over 12 years now.... You can softbrick (bootloop), but that is an easy fix with the FXZ (lifesaver). So not too much to worry about hurting your phone with flashing...
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DON'T ever delete any programs. It is better to use something like bloat freezer, and freeze these apps, than to delete them.
The updates check for missing "bloatware" and will fail to install the updates due to ANY missing apps, that came with the stock image.
If you want a debloated image, then use one of the more custom ROMS like lithium, or Supercharged, etc.
If you use a debloated ROM, then you can always flash the fxz back before any updates come out, we tend to start screaming pretty load on here when updates start to arrive as you may have already seen this week with the ICS leaks.
P.S. It is VERY hard to hardbrick this phone, it took me killing the signature on the kernel to get my first hardbrick, and I have 3 more hardbricks. I have the warranty through att, so I never worry about things like that, since I am a dev and take my phones life into my own hands.... You can softbrick (bootloop), but that is an easy fix with the FXZ (lifesaver). So not too much to worry about hurting your phone with flashing...
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LOL, I was laughing so hard when XDA crashed last night. I was sure we caused it with our ICS Freak out!!!!
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LOL, I was laughing so hard when XDA crashed last night. I was sure we caused it with our ICS Freak out!!!!
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I though the same thing, and I was kind of glad it did crash though, so that I could find that article with the interview of cyanogen that was posted on the XDA-dev home page.
AscottW, I am like you -I read and researched and forum'd my evening/early morning hours away with regards to the whole rooting and flashing and so on. I have never done such things with a phone before, but being fairly computer savvy myself felt like after several hard weeks learning as much as I could, flashed MY first ROM. (Did a little happy dance myself when I saw the custom boot animation for the first time, think I even let out a little school boy squeal as well! -Glad no one was around to hear that)
Still reading and researching and forum'ing at every free moment I have (girlfriend and kids think my laptop has become permanently attached to my, well... lap!) and am really interested in possibly getting myself to a point where I can be of some usefulness in the dev world.
Admittedly, after flashing for the first time, I got foolish with CWM and did basically what seemed like deleting the system partition and told the Android OS to get lost. Big mistake. Got stuck in a crazy splash screen loop and wouldn't load Android OS for the life of me. That said, with the help of the good people here on this forum, I was able to be walked through a AP Fastboot FXZ file fix, updated back to 2.3.6, and started over -making damn sure I knew what I was doing before doing ANYTHING! lol
Feel like: "I just had sex"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o
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Feel like: "I just had sex"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o
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lol @ this!
I was tempted to sell off my one x and get a sg3, but I figured it's pointless since I am sure I will be getting one of the new nexus phones when they hit the market. (Hope Google doesn't drop the ball on these).
So since I am keeping this phone for awhile I am going to unlock the bootloader and put something better on it than stock sense.
I really like sense but I had to disable it because of the multitasking issue. Switched to nova launcher as well since none of the sense widgets worked after disabling the core components.
I am looking for a sense based rom with better multitasking, better battery life (mine isn't too bad right now), and the ability to remap the hot keys. I never use the recent button but I miss having a search button that isn't at different locations in every app.
What would be my best option?
Thanks.
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Well... CleanROM 4.0 SE is what you want. :good:
Not sure you're allowed to make these sorts of threads though.
Not sure why there would be a rule against asking a question in the question and answer forum about which rom suits my needs the best. If there was such a rule then I apologize for breaking it , but such a rule would be pretty dumb if you ask me.
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What's the best is purely subjective and and in the past such threads have erupted in flamewars so the Mods don't allow them.
As you can tell from my post though I have am not looking for the best rom, I am looking for the rom that best suits my needs.
Just asking what I the best is of course going to bring a "What I use is the best because I use it" responses. What I wanted to know is if there is a rom that best suited the needs I described. I am sure there are other roms that can do other things in didn't list better
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I've tried them all. Personally, CleanRom DEV and King Cobra's have been my favorites. They've been very reliable for me. Although atm I'm stripping down CleanRom 4.0 [I wouldn't call it clean, personally] and removing EVERYTHING I don't need to see how low/minimal I can get the rom in size :] I know it may not sound like a difference to you, but I don't need widgets or half of every thing that comes with it or any other rom. I want the slim-lined ROM with only core components I need. I don't need the wallpapers or quite a few of the APKs that come with it. Also, I don't need my apps zipaligned everytime I reboot. I don't want it. I don't need it. When I boot my phone on, I want it ready to go ASAP. <Haven't noticed a difference with zip on/off anyways>.
So... When I'm done stripping away CleanRom 4.0 SE, And have done a full setup [Busybox, Root, SD Maid, SD Booster, Cache Mate, and The V6 Supercharger scripts, I'll give you a heads up if all my cleaning [of a clean rom ;D] is worth it. Maybe I'll upload it, But I'd get the dev's permission first.
PS, Tryout CM9. When its fully up and running I'm sure it will be great. My HTC Aria went from stock to CM9, and it was blazing fast.
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As you can tell from my post though I have am not looking for the best rom, I am looking for the rom that best suits my needs.
Just asking what I the best is of course going to bring a "What I use is the best because I use it" responses. What I wanted to know is if there is a rom that best suited the needs I described. I am sure there are other roms that can do other things in didn't list better
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But that's not what your subject says
If people just read the the thread title without actually reading my post and then start a flame war over it chances are they were going to find another thread to start one anyway. People like that don't come to a forum to learn or help, they come to a forum to stir up trouble because they have nothing better to do with their life and that's just sad.
We should all be able to discuss any subject in a mature manner without it turning into a childish argument.
Anyway, thank you for to the people that replied with answers. I appreciate it.
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CleanROM is a good "off-the-shelf" solution. It has bloatware removed, and some customization - including multitasking improvemets. And it still has Sense, which is nice for those who like it. Give it a try!
If you want to find a ROM that suits your needs the best way to go about it is to take the time to actually read the threads in development for each particular ROM.
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I've tried them all. Personally, CleanRom DEV and King Cobra's have been my favorites. They've been very reliable for me. Although atm I'm stripping down CleanRom 4.0 [I wouldn't call it clean, personally] and removing EVERYTHING I don't need to see how low/minimal I can get the rom in size :] I know it may not sound like a difference to you, but I don't need widgets or half of every thing that comes with it or any other rom. I want the slim-lined ROM with only core components I need. I don't need the wallpapers or quite a few of the APKs that come with it. Also, I don't need my apps zipaligned everytime I reboot. I don't want it. I don't need it. When I boot my phone on, I want it ready to go ASAP. <Haven't noticed a difference with zip on/off anyways>.
So... When I'm done stripping away CleanRom 4.0 SE, And have done a full setup [Busybox, Root, SD Maid, SD Booster, Cache Mate, and The V6 Supercharger scripts, I'll give you a heads up if all my cleaning [of a clean rom ;D] is worth it. Maybe I'll upload it, But I'd get the dev's permission first.
PS, Tryout CM9. When its fully up and running I'm sure it will be great. My HTC Aria went from stock to CM9, and it was blazing fast.
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have you tried Rom Cleaner?
look at the HTC one X international dev section, i guess it will work the same way with the XL
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If people just read the the thread title without actually reading my post and then start a flame war over it chances are they were going to find another thread to start one anyway.
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A better thread title would help, such as "Suggest a ROM for my needs" or even "What is your favorite ROM". There is no "best" ROM, and suggesting so is considered by many here (including myself) to be insulting to the devs that work so hard giving us these ROMs.
I go for stock because I'm for functionality and like having all of my hardware working
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I go for stock because I'm for functionality and like having all of my hardware working
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I don't think there's any hardware that's not working in CleanRom. I'm using CleanRom 4.0 LE and it's great.
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I don't think there's any hardware that's not working in CleanRom. I'm using CleanRom 4.0 LE and it's great.
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Ditto, everything's working on CleanRom, and the dev even improved the phone by cleaning out the junk and improving multitasking. Highly recommended.
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I don't think there's any hardware that's not working in CleanRom. I'm using CleanRom 4.0 LE and it's great.
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What he said. There's no reason to not use CleanROM as of right now if you like stock Sense.
Hey guys i decided to switch to the HTC One X after having an iPhone for about 4 years! and man i absolutely love it, theres so much to do with it its almost over whelming. Im here asking any good tips and tricks about android and the one x itself i could expand knowledge about. what awesome apps are there i should download and tweaks to make on my phone, thanks much appreciated!
These 2 threads would be a good start if you want the full potential out of the phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672284
What is exactly do those mean to be rooted and what can I do
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I don't want this to come off harsh but try this.
http://bit.ly/IHZCgj
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I just made the switch from an iPhone too a couple weeks ago. Took about a couple days to get used to the HTC One X, but it definitely is a great example of a top of the line Android Phone.
Just to help you along, ROOTING is like jailbreaking the Android so you can install custom ROMS on it. So instead of installing all the cydia packages (I'm hoping that you actually jailbroke your iphone before), you can install entirely new modified versions of the OS that may usually make the phone better than the stock OS that HTC provided.
The forum section under ATT HTC ONE X ANDROID DEVELOPMENT is probably going to be your best bet. I can't post link right now, but look at the HTC ONE X Resource Compilation rollup at the top, really helpful. You should also look up a couple of the One-click root guides to root your phone, then install a recovery mod. The recovery mod allows you to BACKUP your ENTIRE phone, which is actually really useful, so as long as you can access the recovery mode, you can restore any mistakes you made on your phone, or if you want to try out new ROMS without losing your original system.
Hopefully that'll get you started in the right direction.
You'll love aokp instead of sense, I personally loved sense because I had never tried vanilla android but you can't go back after removing sense. After rooting and unlocking, aokp is the way to go.
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Just to help you along, ROOTING is like jailbreaking the Android so you can install custom ROMS on it.
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Not exactly. Rooting just gives you access permissions to the otherwise protected system files. You need root and bootloader unlock in order to flash custom ROMs. With root alone, you can do some mods and use some apps that require root, but not flash ROMs.
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Hey guys i decided to switch to the HTC One X after having an iPhone for about 4 years! and man i absolutely love it, theres so much to do with it its almost over whelming. Im here asking any good tips and tricks about android and the one x itself i could expand knowledge about. what awesome apps are there i should download and tweaks to make on my phone, thanks much appreciated!
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Were you jailbroken on your iPhone(s)? If so, you find things pretty easy to pick up. If not, take it slow. This is a dev site with access to some tools that can screw up your phone if you're not careful. If all you want are market apps and tweaks, this is not the place for you.
If you're looking to make significant changes in your phone's software, you should start by doing a lot of reading in the development thread. There are also plenty of "What is Rooting and What Can I Do With It" blog posts out there in Google-land.
One thing I can tell you as an experienced iOS jailbreaker, jailbreaking and rooting/unlocking share some elements but there are also some important diferences. With jailbreaking, you do it once and then you're good until Apple releases a new update to iOS. Modding/tweaking is generally just a matter of downloading stuff from Cydia. It's definitely a lot more idiot-proof than the Android environment.
Modding an Android phone can involve making some much deeper changes in the software than is typically possible with jailbroken iOS (unless you're a dev). There is really no iOS analog to custom ROMs on Android. These phones are tough to hard brick, but you can easily render your phone inoperative without some heavy help to fix it.
Bottom line: read up before you start doing anything, don't make any changes unless you understand what you're changing, and don't do anything you don't know how to undo.
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Not exactly. Rooting just gives you access permissions to the otherwise protected system files. You need root and bootloader unlock in order to flash custom ROMs. With root alone, you can do some mods and use some apps that require root, but not flash ROMs.
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Ah thanks for the correction! I did both at the same time so it just logged into my brain as rooting. While we're talking about switching from iPhones, I read that several android apps have the same functionality as BiteSMS. I loved the ability to send texts from your lockscreen, is there a specific messaging app that allows you to do that on an Android? GoSMS or Chomp or something?
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You'll love aokp instead of sense, I personally loved sense because I had never tried vanilla android but you can't go back after removing sense. After rooting and unlocking, aokp is the way to go.
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AOKP is the way to go if you want to experience stock Android, but for your phone to remain fully functional stick to a Sense based ROM like CleanROM 4.1 SE.
AOKP still has the silly multitouch bug so games will suck and its using the terrible AOSP camera because the Sense camera wont ever work in AOKP without the proper sense frameworks and ImageSense drivers.
If you don't play games and dont care about the camera, then AOKP is a great alternative to Sense.
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Not exactly. Rooting just gives you access permissions to the otherwise protected system files. You need root and bootloader unlock in order to flash custom ROMs. With root alone, you can do some mods and use some apps that require root, but not flash ROMs.
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In addition to the Rooting & Bootloader unlock you should also flash a custom recovery package like TWRP to handle all the modding you're bound to do now.
hi i am new on your among and i'm user of htc one x at&t v2.20.i have less information about costum and stock roms.i was surfing on forum and i saw this stock rom.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1838135&page=11
and i'm thinking install this my phone but i didn't find how can i setup.there should unlock bootloader for costum roms.is the same thing
must be for install stock rom.and what do you think about stock roms.should i prefer costum rom?
You can prefer whatever you personally like. Unfortunately you are currently stuck with what you've got until 2.20 is rooted and bl unlocked so you can flash away and find the rom that suits your needs best.
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Yea bro... Do a lot of research, BC it'll be a while before you can root and unlock :thumbdown:
But to add an opinion about your question, once you flash a new rom, you'll probably stick with it for a little while. Then see something else and try it. Then you'll get that blood taste in your mouth and become a flash a holic. Lol. There are some absolutely INCREDIBLE sense roms. Viperxl, cleanrom, team nocturnal are some of the few. But then you'll get tired of sense and try an aosp ROM and you'll love that. Its a weird process bro. I feel like I flash every 2-3 weeks, bouncing from jellybean to sense. Both are awesome.
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Honestly man, I am a serious flashaholic, and although in no way am I implying that stock is better in any fashion I will say that stock 2.20 has been a pleasure to be on. So much so that I have set aside ALL of my other toys and been using my One X full time. granted I am using Apex launcher only because it achieves a basic look I am used to, but that is it. I am actually really enjoying this, if nothing else EVERYTHING works. My battery hasnt been this good on any rom or any of my previous devices. I had 5 hours 48 minutes screen on time last night, sure I only talked on my phone about 2 minutes, and kept my screen brightness on 10%, but for me, that is still the most insane number I have EVER been able to put up and the phone was on 18% when I plugged it in.
I dont know if this phone will ever get rooted but it is not stopping me from using it, I have found cool apps that I would have never known even existed like Notification Toggle, I was getting pretty annoyed having to use a power control widget for my data and wifi, I NEED it to be in the dropdown, the app remedied that situation AND I can make it whatever color I want....HUGE bonus to me. I love Android, and like I said, it is not a replacement for roms, but its a fine substitution for now. The phone performs sweet so its not like I would need to overclock, undervolting, I have never liked the amount of BS you have to wade through to get it perfect, and battery has been fine for me anyway.
Sure a nice CLEAN CM rom, or even stripped stock, is nice but I am just going to enjoy using this thing for a while. Being a Sammy fanboy forever has given me the ability to flash a thousand roms, and although there is some things to be missed, I have no regrets about this phone. I personally dont have devices long enough to think like it is going to kill me to use it for a while. It looks beautiful, not a lot of people have them, so everywhere I go people are asking what phone I have....which....yeah, I think is cool, and everyone likes it.
Last, for me personally the phone has caused me to start peering into areas I have not even thought about in a long time, I have spent countless hours reading thread after thread for possible ways we can get this bootloader unlocked or even root this puppy. It has actually been nice spending time doing, what I joined XDA to learn about doing .
As mentioned, if you bought the phone with 2.20 (or OTA'ed to 2.20 before unlocking the bootloader or at least SuperCID) than you can't flash anything. You are stuck to official AT&T firmware.
The 2.29 stock firmware you linked is not much different from 2.20 AT&T stock, anyway. I think they are the same, actually, aside from AT&T's bloatware.
Coming from an Aria with CM7, the biggest things I want to fix on my One X with 2.20 is to ditch the bloat. This phone rocks very nicely even on the stock ROM, but it's like a car with enough power to do 200 mph limited to 155.
If there is any way a relative noob like myself can help with getting 2.20 rooted, I'm in, but I wouldn't know where to start at this point.