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anyone tried bubby's root method

man.. ive never felt so cro-magnon.. this shouldnt be giving me problems but with all the possibilities to root this.. Im a bit confused as far as which method is going to work 100%

If performed correctly, all methods will work 100%. Bubby's is by far the easiest imo. It tells you exactly what to do, step by step. Not quite as simple as one-click, but pretty dang close.

If you read the 2000+ replies to his post, a bunch of us have, but I know it's hard to sift through. I had a few starts and stops, but I think the real trick is ending up with a good gold card. Once it was working, it went smooth.

yeah i started to just about give up but then started over from scratch.. made sure i had all the ducks lined up and slowed down. It worked great this time around.. I suppose now ill have to flash a rom. id just assume take the bloatware off first

Well if you flash a rom that has bloatware removed then you're killing two birds with one stone.

supernaut06 said:
Well if you flash a rom that has bloatware removed then you're killing two birds with one stone.
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This is true. I've also found that some ROMs bring back the ones I've uninstalled. I would recommend using titanium backup to get rid of the useless ones. Be careful though. Some are needed for the system to run correctly.

my benchmark scores went down after install the other roms... the optimized stock rom and the revolution though the revolution one was a bit faster. might try aginger bread rom

sprhr0 said:
my benchmark scores went down after install the other roms... the optimized stock rom and the revolution though the revolution one was a bit faster. might try aginger bread rom
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I got 2165 using LeeDrOiD oc'd to a tad over 1574mHZ.

I just used it a couple of hours ago. It was successful. The only problems encountered were my own mistakes.

sprhr0 said:
man.. ive never felt so cro-magnon.. this shouldnt be giving me problems but with all the possibilities to root this.. Im a bit confused as far as which method is going to work 100%
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I felt the same way. I was terrified I was gonna brick my phone, but the process was very easy and straightforward. The most "difficult" part was the goldcard, but even that was easy with the latest application pack he has, it has an automatic goldcard maker in there, very easy to use. After that, it's just a matter of following directions (ie, mostly just pushing a button on your keyboard when told to and then entering a few commands on your phone, but all of it is written down and verrrry easy to do).
I very very very highly recommend bubby's root method.
It was SO good, in fact, that he's got a donation coming his way when payday comes. I honestly never expected it all to be THAT easy. I figured "oh hell, I'm gonna have all kinds of problems and I'm gonna look like the world's biggest idiot when I have to beg for help on the forums", but I had no problems whatsoever! Ez-Pz. Do it already!! If you found it as easy as I did, you might want to consider a donation too. Bubby is a young guy and we need to keep him interested and making great stuff like this in the future.
Oh, and everything works precisely as it did before too. No issues with calls, signal, GPS, sound, sync, battery, or any software issues whatsoever.

Thank you so much! I am seriously worried about it and had no clue if it worked. And reading your comment encouraged me. Heck I even made an account just to reply to this. Thanks so much for that needed inspiration

Imaano said:
...The only problems encountered were my own mistakes.
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^^This^^
Bubbys' one touch is great. Just follow the instructions and have patience.

First time rooter here. I used bubby's root method, watched the video like 6 times, read as much on these forums as possible, and followed the instructions exactly. I had 0 problems. I would highly recommend it.
Just remember, RTFM.

Hello all,
Should I still be following this video in order to root my phone using Bubby's latest RC2 release?

ATX350 said:
Hello all,
Should I still be following this video in order to root my phone using Bubby's latest RC2 release?
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Yes. That video was the missing piece of the puzzle for me. If you do what zonderion does in that video, just like he does it, you will root your phone without issue.
Inspired Ace 1.0 ¦ XDA Premium

^Thank you. Trying now. I'm a android virgin so a bit nervous to say the least. I'll update later with my results.

I was a first time user of Bubby's. I had one problem when entering commands in the terminal emulator.
I had a half rooted phone with no sound
I started back over (this time not quick formatting the sd card, and formatting the sd card while in the phone instead of a card reader)
Bingo like a charm. I also rooted my buddies inspire about an hour ago using the same method and worked fine first try.

I did it last night without issue though I am not sure why I did. It says there is a bloatware removal option but I never came across one. My only reason for the root is to get rid off all the junk I never touch. I'd like a stock Gingerbread ROM with Sense though. Now I am searching for an App or method to get rid of the bloatware.
Sense did a great job of copying everything back to the phone. I didn't lose anything at all! At least I think it is Sense that did that.

I flashed the cm7 ROM using rom manager. Got rid of all the bloatware. Miui looks like a nice gingerbread rom, I haven't taken the time to try it yet.
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rarefc3s said:
I did it last night without issue though I am not sure why I did. It says there is a bloatware removal option but I never came across one. My only reason for the root is to get rid off all the junk I never touch. I'd like a stock Gingerbread ROM with Sense though. Now I am searching for an App or method to get rid of the bloatware.
Sense did a great job of copying everything back to the phone. I didn't lose anything at all! At least I think it is Sense that did that.
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Titanium backup will remove bloat. It's worth every penny. If you get the paid version, you can opt to just "freeze" it, meaning it becomes invisible to the system (won't load). It will still occupy physical storage space on your internal storage, but can be readily "unfrozen", (restored).
Optionally, you can fully remove it, which will fully remove all traces of it, freeing up your internal storage.
Yet another way, would be to first do a backup of the bloat, which will be on your "external" larger SD card, and then after that go back and fully "uninstall" it, and it will accomplish both: restore-able, yet not auto-loading into memory, and not taking up internal physical storage space.
All within titanium backup. Five bucks well-spent.
In regards to a stock gingerbread sense Rom, which also is bloat free, Inspired Ace 1.0, which is what I'm running, meets those conditions exactly. Highly recommended.
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black bar on top ...

has anyone created just a black status bar? I really don't want to install any ROMS at the moment (I am rooted).
Thanks!

It looks nice, I'm waiting for the unrooted CM7 or whatever, I'm rooted but afraid to download any ROMs

Mikeglongo said:
It looks nice, I'm waiting for the unrooted CM7 or whatever, I'm rooted but afraid to download any ROMs
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1. Cm7 is rooted.
2. Why would you be scared?
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA App

I thought the new cm7 comes out for unrooted users instead of having to go ito ROM manager and what-not to get it?
And that's why I'm worried... I'm not really that tech-savvy with this stuff, so I'm hesitant on installing anything.. don't want to brick my phone

Someone will write a updated for the framework-res soon enough. I wonder how it will look with lcd bleeding.
Why flash an entire custom rom for just a black status bar?

Mikeglongo said:
I thought the new cm7 comes out for unrooted users instead of having to go ito ROM manager and what-not to get it?
And that's why I'm worried... I'm not really that tech-savvy with this stuff, so I'm hesitant on installing anything.. don't want to brick my phone
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You have to be rooted to flash anything. Rom manager isnt ready yet, but clockwork recovery works just fine. And you cant brick a phone by flashing a rom.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA App

Mikeglongo said:
I thought the new cm7 comes out for unrooted users instead of having to go ito ROM manager and what-not to get it?
And that's why I'm worried... I'm not really that tech-savvy with this stuff, so I'm hesitant on installing anything.. don't want to brick my phone
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Honestly more people should be like you. If you're not comfortable doing the things you see on this forum like rooting, using a custom recovery and flashing roms it's best that you refrain from doing so. A lot of people mess stuff up and don't have enough knowledge to fix it, then panic and cause more problems for themselves.
I was extremely timid with my g1, but now 2 phones later I'm much more comfortable messing with this stuff. The best advice I can give is for you to just read all kinds of stuff on these forums until you get a good idea about what different things do and how they can help and/or hurt what you want to do with your phone, then decide for yourself if you want to proceed.
And yes, like the last poster said, CM is only available to root users. You might be thinking of Gingerbread (Android 2.3) which will be available to non-root users "soon" according to tmobile.
Hope this helps ya out man.

Thanks a lot guys, yes I used ROM manager and it didn't work and it got me stuck at the LG sign when rebooting, and I panicked, so I exchanged my phone.
Got a new one, rooted it for whatever reason - maybe just to freeze bloatware.
I'll just wait for the Gingerbread. I just hope it solves the battery problem? 0_o I'm a stickler for battery, so I need to know soon because I'll just return my phone and get a different one (possibly a blackberry since the battery was always good on my old one), just always wanted to adventure into a smartphone

smjfosho said:
You have to be rooted to flash anything. Rom manager isnt ready yet, but clockwork recovery works just fine. And you cant brick a phone by flashing a rom.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA App
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actually u can brick a phone JUST by flashing a ROM...unlikely given some reasonable intelligence...but it does happen...radios...radios..radios...also...kernels...

I'd say the best method is to just wait for the Official Gingerbread update from LG.
Flashing roms is fun and easy but not everyone has to be a crackflasher. CM7 will never be available for unrooted phones as you have to be rooted to flash it.
The G2x is very new and ClockWorkMod recovery isn't even ready for prime time yet. I would hold off at least until CWM Recovery has a decent automated boot process for our phones.
As far as bleeding screens, you WILL be able to see it with the all black bar. I have 2 G2x's here which 1 I haven't returned yet and has a screen bleed. It is noticeable. I did conclude that the "Sense-themed" bar in Eaglesblood isn't noticeable because of the contrasting colors. So take that with some consideration.

Mikeglongo said:
Thanks a lot guys, yes I used ROM manager and it didn't work and it got me stuck at the LG sign when rebooting, and I panicked, so I exchanged my phone.
Got a new one, rooted it for whatever reason - maybe just to freeze bloatware.
I'll just wait for the Gingerbread. I just hope it solves the battery problem? 0_o I'm a stickler for battery, so I need to know soon because I'll just return my phone and get a different one (possibly a blackberry since the battery was always good on my old one), just always wanted to adventure into a smartphone
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Hahahahahahahhaha

avetny said:
Hahahahahahahhaha
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My thoughts exactly,
Aren't blackberries notorious for turning themselves on and off? Maybe that explains the battery life

Haha, real funny, no my blackberry never turned on and off

Why do you stay Stock?

I really have no idea why a lot of you guys are still on stock?
This is my very first android, and i took 2 hours reading and another hour asking questions. and another hour rooting my phone.
Just root your damn phone.

I have 3 kids. Taking 3 hours out of my day to root my phone is not an option.
I did make time to mess with my htc incredible only because is was a one click trick.

30 minutes a day.. its worth it.

your question should have been "why do you stay unrooted".. THAT it understandable.
Stock ROM is pretty good though.

Cute dog. is there a way to edit topics?

I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.

I'm still stock because flashing roms and losing some of my settings got old on my Nexus One. I simply tired of flashing kernels, radios, roms, themes and never really being any happier than I was to start with. Been there done that. I did the whole "I got my first android and want to be like the cool kids and root". I've been using Android and flashing roms for years.
I was always tweaking and I would improve one thing, and another thing would be degraded or broken.I would get better battery life but have to deal with reboots. I would get great GPS but then wifi would break, or the device would get hot...or it would be stable and basically like it was before I ever even rooted in the first place.
CM7 was the best I used(most stable anyway), but even then I got really bored. I tried some Sense roms and really liked them but they were all buggy as hell as well. So I decided to get a Sense device. IF I hated Sense, I would certainly root but then again if I hated sense I wouldn't have bought the Tbolt.
So far I have not had one reboot, not one single issue except that GPS can be slow once in awhile, but then I see folks with rooted devices, flashed kernels and radios complaining of the same thing. Today I went all over town and GPS worked great...it's a random thing.
When I see a rom I HAVE TO HAVE, I'll root and flash it, but so far I have not seen anything that makes me want give up my perfectly working device/os.
With the Nexus One I found the Flavored Ice themes and fell in love with Dark Cherry. I rooted just so I could have that theme. Unfortunately theming is difficult for Sense so there are not really many themes to lure me in.
Some things I DO miss from being rooted, Ad-Free, SetCPU(but again usually ahve to live with some reboots which I hate), being able to flash some cool things like the Hulu apk. no getting around it there are things I miss from being rooted.
However, I have a rooted Moto Zoom and I use that now more than my TBolt. My TBolt has become more like a phone again and I just want it stable for phones calls and navigation.
As a matter of fact, I have rejected Verizon's update because for ONCE I have a device that I am perfectly happy with as is.
If I were going to root it would be to flash this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1013577
and then install ad-free and a few other apps I miss. As it stands I can afford to pay for tethering so I don't even have any motivation to root for free tethering.
I know, what about bloat? Well I have over a hundred apps installed and I still have 1.97 GB of space left. I came from Nexus One where with zero apps installed I had 120MB of free app space! The apps simply don't bother me being there om my Tbolt. Space isn't an issue for me.
To wrap it up, my battery life is fine, my phone call quality is superior to anything I've ever had. I love the sense UI and my device/os is stable as hell.
I am happy.
PS: FWIW, I did root my TBolt using the one click method at android central just to make sure it would work with the USB port on my computer, I then promptly unrooted it. I can re-root anytime I want. No hurry and I may very well never re-root, especially given that I will be again upgrading my phone again as soon as the next best thing is released(that is not the Charge).

Old MuckenMire said:
I'm still stock because flashing roms and losing some of my settings got old on my Nexus One. I simply tired of flashing kernels, radios, roms, themes and never really being any happier than I was to start with. Been there done that. I did the whole "I got my first android and want to be like the cool kids and root". I've been using Android and flashing roms for years.
I was always tweaking and I would improve one thing, and another thing would be degraded or broken.I would get better battery life but have to deal with reboots. I would get great GPS but then wifi would break, or the device would get hot...or it would be stable and basically like it was before I ever even rooted in the first place.
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While I am rooted, I know exactly what you mean. I am on Das BAMF 1.6.2 and am planning to stay put for awhile. Sometimes I fail to use the best features of my phone because I've recently flashed and don't want to input my user name and PW into Pandora while I am driving down the freeway.
Once we have RIL and are officially supported by CM7 I will get back into the flashing game. I am not a big fan of Sense and have done my best to avoid it on my device using LP, Contapps, Handcent

Guysm
If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????

nricci said:
If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????
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Appbrain reinstalls all your apps. Resetting icons/widgets takes 2 mins, tops

nricci said:
Guysm
If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????
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I don't think a lot of people flash new roms everyday.
Usually if you are updating a Rom, like from Das bamf 162 to 163, you don't need to wipe. apps, texts, layout, and what not stay the same.
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MoreGone said:
While I am rooted, I know exactly what you mean. I am on Das BAMF 1.6.2 and am planning to stay put for awhile. Sometimes I fail to use the best features of my phone because I've recently flashed and don't want to input my user name and PW into Pandora while I am driving down the freeway.
Once we have RIL and are officially supported by CM7 I will get back into the flashing game. I am not a big fan of Sense and have done my best to avoid it on my device using LP, Contapps, Handcent
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I was the same way with Slacker over the past year. especially because I was rooted and used A2SD, it would always log me out even if I hadn't recently flashed. Slacker just doesn't seem to like being on the SD card and hold the password at the same time. At the end of the day I'm not in any way against rooting and I'm glad it's there as an option for when I get bored. I always do get bored, either with stock or flashing roms...or just with any given device itself.
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I don't think a lot of people flash new roms everyday.
Usually if you are updating a Rom, like from Das bamf 162 to 163, you don't need to wipe. apps, texts, layout, and what not stay the same.
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This is correct. The issue is not UPDATING roms...you get to keep all your settings that way. The issue is having to wipe before flashing a new rom. Me personally, it takes me a whole hell of a lot longer than two minutes to get everything back the way I want it. Downloading all my apps is not the issue. It's getting all of the settings for over a hundred apps back the way I want. Just as an example. Every website I visit I log into with a password. I use Skyfire, stock, Dolphin HD. When I wipe I have to go back and re-log into every damn website I visit again...and I have to do it every time I want to try a new rom...which ends up being often because once you flash one, it leads to another and another, always searching for that perfect rom. I often did flash at least every other day. Most developers would update their rom, fixing or adding something and the temptation was too strong not to test drive it again. But liek I said it makes the device never feel complete because I never settled on anything long term.
I will say this tho, it was rooting and flashing that made me realize how much I enjoyed Sense UI. I tried EVERY rom there was for the N1 and never enjoyed anything the way I did Sense(although I did love ROD's MIUI MoD rom for N1+ LauncherPro Plus...it was quick as hell and had beautiful transitions, not as stable as CM7 tho) and thru root and flashing you can try different UI's and find the one that is right for you. So rooting and flashing is definitely a great thing and like I said I'm glad it's an option I have to admit I miss that little high you get while waiting for a new rom to flash. Wondering if you've soft bricked, and the anticipation of seeing all the goodies new roms contain. The feeling of having total control over your device is nice too.

sublimaze said:
Appbrain reinstalls all your apps. Resetting icons/widgets takes 2 mins, tops
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Doesn't TiBackup reinstall your apps just as well? I don't use Appbrain so I don't know the benefit.

KarukTribe said:
I have 3 kids. Taking 3 hours out of my day to root my phone is not an option.
I did make time to mess with my htc incredible only because is was a one click trick.
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I have four kids and a large closet. Adapt and overcome.

major_works said:
I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.
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+1 to this, exactly what I though too.
I bricked my Droid X a couple of times, and was able to get it back every time, but it taught me to be careful.

I flash a new Rom daily and set up a whole new theme every time I always got a new phone that way lol
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major_works said:
I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.
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I did this too. I plugged my phone into the USB and it took me another hour of rereading the guide before I finally got the nerve to start
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I'm sure I'll root eventually, I'm just kinda in the same boat as MuckenMire, tired on the endless rom shuffle. The TBolt is my first Android, but I'm coming from a number of WinMo 6.x devices. As some of you probably know from experience you pretty much had to flash a custom rom to make many of those phones usable. The Tbolt is a much better user experience stock than any of my old WinMo devices were with custom roms. Right now the bloatware would be the only reason I would bother with root. This phone is fast, stable and highly customizable stock. Right now I just don't see a compelling reason to root it.
That being said, first time I need to teather and VZW wants to charge me, I will probably root. I don't do it often enough to justify paying extra for it.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt

I love all these people who claim they are so busy, really come on, you obviously have time if you browse the XDA forums and Im sure you spend a lot of time on facebook.
Get over yourself.
Sorry for this Trollin, It just irritates me.

mitchell4500 said:
I love all these people who claim they are so busy, really come on, you obviously have time if you browse the XDA forums and Im sure you spend a lot of time on facebook.
Get over yourself.
Sorry for this Trollin, It just irritates me.
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I'm over myself. I have time, but I just don't want to root. I'm happy with what I have. None of the roms look that great to me, so why bother? Why do some of you feel like everyone has to root. Like we're idiots cause we're running stock. Why do you really care what others are doing?

Can't seem to get CWM on SK4G.

I'm trying to get CWM going on my SK4G, but with little luck. I've replaced recovery in /system/bin, and put the update.zip on the root of the SD. But after doing so, it will still stick on the boot screen, and not go anywhere. It is not softbricked, however, as I can adb reboot, and it goes right back into the normal OS.
I then tried ODIN-ing back to stock and trying once more, but no dice. What do I do from here?

Search the forum. I reposted sduvick's fake flash utility already. Find it and use it.

Hop on the short bus, newbies.
Here's the CWM fake flash (again).
http://www.mediafire.com/?cedw9551tl1riu5
Root your phone with shortfuse's one click utility first. Then, use this utility. After you get this going, make a backup. Next, ODIN your phone back to stock. Then, root the phone, use this utility again, and use CWM to restore your backup. Now, you know how to handle disasters and you won't need to ask dumb questions.
After that, install one of AYOTEDDY's roms. Skip the new ones because there's nothing new. You just want a stable rom and a kernel with Voodoo lagfix/sound/CWM.
Enjoy.

I see you jump directly to insults. Short bus, mhm.
I'm hardly a newbie, this phone is just being a pain in the arse for something that looks so simple. My main is a GS3 which I flash ROMs frequently, and have used ODIN before. Before that it was an HTC Aria. I picked this one up cheap because I like a physical keyboard.
CWM (Though I prefer TWRP any day of the week) is indeed helpful if you screw up, and ODIN as a last resort. This one is just being a pain in the arse though, and keeps getting stuck on the sidekick logo when going into recovery. (I copy it to the SD then move it into place via Root Explorer)

So, the fake flash isn't working for you?

orange808 said:
After that, install one of AYOTEDDY's roms. Skip the new ones because there's nothing new.
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Hahaha....nice. Why don't you try and make something new, then?

Meh. Theming, scripts, and swapping out apps is easy enough.
I have made KJ2 my own with some dirty hacks, but the biggest benefit over stock is Platypus Egg--and the credit for that goes to ayoteddy.
As for roms, I hacked away at windxixi's and sduvick's source for quite a while. At some point, it's just not worth it anymore... Samsung could have made this easier on everyone... Samsung's "open source releases" are a joke.
bhundeven appears to have also hit a wall, but it sounds like he has more experience and more help at his disposal. More power to him there. Because, a true stock Froyo is really what this device needs to push things forward.
I'll be getting a Relay soon enough, so it won't amount to a hill of beans to me...
And, speaking of new, I've had the most luck avoiding it entirely on the market. Updates these days are getting too bloated to run on this device--and more and more apps have decided it's ok to run as a service. At some point Android needs to crack down on developers that ignore the life cycle that was diagramed when the SDK debuted... Then again, that would make Google hypocrites because Maps ignores the guidelines... To make a long story short, run apps that were actually designed to run on Froyo. It will save you heartache. And, if things are running all the time as a service, it will eat memory and this phone will crash eventually.. every time, guaranteed.

orange808 said:
Meh. Theming, scripts, and swapping out apps is easy enough.
I have made KJ2 my own with some dirty hacks, but the biggest benefit over stock is Platypus Egg--and the credit for that goes to ayoteddy.
As for roms, I hacked away at windxixi's and sduvick's source for quite a while. At some point, it's just not worth it anymore... Samsung could have made this easier on everyone... Samsung's "open source releases" are a joke.
bhundeven appears to have also hit a wall, but it sounds like he has more experience and more help at his disposal. More power to him there. Because, a true stock Froyo is really what this device needs to push things forward.
I'll be getting a Relay soon enough, so it won't amount to a hill of beans to me...
And, speaking of new, I've had the most luck avoiding it entirely on the market. Updates these days are getting too bloated to run on this device--and more and more apps have decided it's ok to run as a service. At some point Android needs to crack down on developers that ignore the life cycle that was diagramed when the SDK debuted... Then again, that would make Google hypocrites because Maps ignores the guidelines... To make a long story short, run apps that were actually designed to run on Froyo. It will save you heartache. And, if things are running all the time as a service, it will eat memory and this phone will crash eventually.. every time, guaranteed.
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Good for you. I will be releasing a CM 6.2 clone based off of the Epic 4G rom tonight. All with the easy theming, scripts and app swaps. Nothing new but I still have fun making it.
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Glorious overdose
RicAndroid said:
Hahaha....nice. Why don't you try and make something new, then?
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How do you like that Glorious overdose 4.1?

[Q] More Education

Hi,
Yes, I'm a noob but I'm a smart noob. I refuse to just "jump" in without having enough knowledge about what is necessary to properly modify my phone (AT&T HOX). I have looked up terms I was unfamiliar with etc and sat and waited patiently reading other people's issues. I like many come from Apple (thankfully I switched away) and jailbreaking was about as easy as it got. So here goes.....
1. I am really most interested (at the time being) in getting rid of the ridiculous apps these phones come plugged up with.
2. I already think the phone is fast (light years faster than any iPhone I owned), so what are some of your (members) opinions on WHY you want to flash a custom rom?
3. Do you have to put a new rom in or once it's rooted can I simply have it "stock" and have the freedom to delete apps that I don't want on the phone?
If I've offended anyone here I apologize. Searching for answers on the Internet sometimes is a joke. I did find this tool in the developer's section and I know I'd start here (already downloaded and looked it over) [TOOL] HTC One X (Evita) All-In-One Toolkit V1.1 [10-28-12] [PERM ROOT][Noob-Proof]
but I feel there is a bit more that I'm missing.
I don't want my hand held but rather to allay any fears of turning my phone into a relic, rather than a useful device. I'm about to graduate with a computer support degree, so some of this real heavy duty stuff isn't exactly taught to us students.
I'd appreciate any advice and help from you all and thanks for having a source filled with so many helpful individuals and information
Thanks in advance,
Jon

This is where you should start (my index thread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
1) Rooting will enable you to uninstall bloatware.
2) Reasons for flashing custom ROMs are many. Yes, the phone is very fast. But believe it or not, there are some that want to squeeze even more performance out of the device. Custom ROMs will often include tweaks to improve speed, but also memory management (multi-tasking). Some people like the vanilla (no Sense) look of AOSP ROMs. And also AOSP based ROMs feel more fluid in the launcher, as well as some apps run faster. Custom ROMs have some cool features that don't exist on stock: Extended Quick Settings, Advanced Power Menu, Paranoid Android settings, theming support and much more.
3) You can just unlock the bootloader and root without flashing a custom ROM. If you aren't too familiar with flashing custom ROMs, this may in fact be a good place to start. Become familiar with what root gives you, before flashing ROMs.
The all-in-one tool you mentioned is correct if your phone is on the 2.20 firmware. If it happens to be an earlier firmware, use the corresponding root method as indicated in my index.

2. It's like buying a new Dell or HP Laptop. It comes with tons of random crap pre-installed that you don't need. Sure, the computer might already be "fast", but you can always make it faster by uninstalling said apps. However, there are usually tons of them, and they're deeply embedded into the OS. Even if you go into add or remove programs and uninstall all of the apps that they have given you, there's usually still random crap installed... You might want to start fresh - I always do. So, when I buy a laptop the first thing I do is install windows manually and download the newest and updated drivers. Now the machine is fast. :good:
This is the same principle for your phone. This is why people want to install a custom ROM (like CleanROM) that doesn't include any of the carrier crap and is just a fresh, base install.
3. You could, if you really, really wanted keep the AT&T stock ROM on there... but there is no reason to. If you installed something like CleanROM it is already optimized, and you can select what stock carrier apps you want included during the installation. The defaults will leave you almost perfect though... This could be thought of as doing a fresh windows install to remove all that crap they embedded deep into the OS. There are no flashy lights, it is just a base ROM that's optimized for speed, performance, and stability.
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.

On stock vs. ROM:
I am stock/rooted on my Nexus 7 because it's already vanilla Android, and I haven't seen any need to soup it up.
Stock Sense, on the other hand, has a lot of annoying elements that HTC built into it for various reasons: patent disputes, branding, stability, etc. Most or all of this can and should be removed. One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it. Removing this limitation is easy. Another is the gimped multitasking that HTC set up to prioritize Sense over everything else. And since Sense is still bloated, this greatly limits multitasking. For the most part, CleanROM is Sense with all this unnecessary crap removed.
I was where you are back in May when I got this thing, and I'm happy as a clam on CleanROM.

ECEXCURSION said:
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
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I've actually bounced around from CleanROM, ViperXL and other custom ROMs, as well as stock rooted ROMs. I've spent a good amount of time on Asian and Euro stock ROMs, with bloat frozen (in Titanium, not even removed), and the difference in performance (speed) between these and custom ROMs is negligible, if any. Maybe memory management is better on the custom ROMs, but its never been as much of a peeve to me, as others here.
While its true that the AT&T stock ROM has lots of bloat, and some things stupidly removed (FM radio, flashlight, WiFi tethering), but its really not bad. And the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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iElvis said:
One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it.
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Just AT&T stock has the HTCLinkify crap. Links work fine on stock ROMs for any other carrier, AFAIK.

It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
So in the tool for 2.20 firmware, twrp is in the data file already from the download? I had to go their site and read about what it was. I just don't want to start off on the wrong foot.
You've all been nice to me, even though I'm a flaming noob to unlocking/rooting. I figure to prevent myself from being stupid later, I should be smart now. Hahaha.
I greatly appreciate all the insight and advice so far.
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redpoint73 said:
IAnd the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.

iElvis said:
Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.

redpoint73 said:
CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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He's stated that he's waiting for JB. But yeah, he's developing for about six devices now. We take what we can get.

ToxicWaste said:
It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.

redpoint73 said:
Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice

ToxicWaste said:
OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
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I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038

inksoldier said:
I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
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I actually agree with what you said about my OP. I jailbroke my iPhones with ease but coming here to Android was a complete night and day difference. It's clearly not the same at all. This is more difficult by far. But after looking at tons of threads, asking questions and assuring myself I can do it, I unlocked and rooted a few days ago. Went pretty much without a hiccup. For now I'm staying stock rooted and exploring the phone. I'm already itching for a Rom but that can wait.
I do feel bad for some people that post here without searching for threads pertaining to rooting but I think it's in how you ask and come off here.
Did you use the all in one toolkit? Did you use it to flash your Rom as well?
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I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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area51avenger said:
I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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ToxicWaste said:
Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.

iElvis said:
Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Not on the app. But I'm running viperxl. I got this phone over the s3 because I like sense.
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iElvis said:
Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Ya I didn't see it listed on his xda app. Haha
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area51avenger said:
Not on the app.
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Derp. I need to read sig lines too.

If I install a custom ROM would I lose beatsaudio?