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Is cognition worth rooting?

Hey guys,
I am coming from a G1 which I got from craigslist that I did not think twice about rooting. Now, I bought my captivate brand new and am over all pleased. The thing that drives me crazy is I would flash my g1 constantly. I liked the tinkering aspect. My question is at this point, are the custom roms out for the captivate worth rooting?
Keep in mind, I really do not notice lag on my phone and the GPS works fine for what I use it for. I also use the sideload wonder machine to load non market apps.

If you like to tweak - Designgears and others are pushing ROM builds like crazy.
Personally I will probably never run the phone stock again.

avgjoegeek said:
If you like to tweak - Designgears and others are pushing ROM builds like crazy.
Personally I will probably never run the phone stock again.
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Right on, looks likes I am going to root my phone when i get home and see what I can load up. Thanks.

If you are happy with your phone and it does what you need it to do there is no reason to do anything. Look at what the custom ROMs have to offer and if there is anything you really think you would miss not having.
I'm personally running Con 2.2beta4 and have been running what dg has been putting out since SRE 1.2 or so, but I'm the kind of person who likes to tinker

z28james said:
Hey guys,
I am coming from a G1 which I got from craigslist that I did not think twice about rooting. Now, I bought my captivate brand new and am over all pleased. The thing that drives me crazy is I would flash my g1 constantly. I liked the tinkering aspect. My question is at this point, are the custom roms out for the captivate worth rooting?
Keep in mind, I really do not notice lag on my phone and the GPS works fine for what I use it for. I also use the sideload wonder machine to load non market apps.
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Well, that's up to you, if you're pleased with your current setup, there's no need to.
Keep in mind stock rom with no lag fix gave me 900 on quadrant..
i9000 jg8 eclair rom (not recommanded unless you have a good reason for that specific rom) with reoriented kernel gave me 2200, and now, with cognition beta 4 I get about 1900 with lag fix, but it feels fast enough for me
and there's awesome flash support.
Stock setup is not using half of the potential of this phone if you ask me,
but if you're happy with it there's no need to risk it, you can always
brick it by accident if you flash (even though I flashed it a lot and unbricked it too many times but seems like some people managed to brick it completely..)
Unlike most of you guys I don't have a warranty, I'm living outside the u.s so I can't just go to at&t store and I paid for this phone
more than 650$ in cash and I still take the risk and flash it, I admit, I'm addicted.

So, I went ahead and rooted my phone and I have loaded a few roms already. Now I remember why I like android phones so much, heh.

quadrant doesnt matter.
if you like customization i say root. if you are in the know, then you should definitely root and customize

orlandoxpolice said:
quadrant doesnt matter.
if you like customization i say root. if you are in the know, then you should definitely root and customize
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I ended up at the stock firmware rooted, OCLF (honestly, besides the benchmarks, the phone does seem to be less laggy), stock lock screen and minus all of the ATT bloatware.
I feel silly for not rooting my phone before because this is exactly how I wish the phone was from the get go.

z28james said:
I ended up at the stock firmware rooted, OCLF (honestly, besides the benchmarks, the phone does seem to be less laggy), stock lock screen and minus all of the ATT bloatware.
I feel silly for not rooting my phone before because this is exactly how I wish the phone was from the get go.
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yea im running cog 2.1.7 and it is blazing fast

hell yeah its worth rooting! im still debating to go to 2.2 or not, but im on cog 2.1.5 right now and its hella worth it

Stock MT4G

After using about 20 different roms I discovered that that I like it the way it came. Although, I did root it to use any rooted only apps, lol.
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knotrkr said:
After using about 20 different roms I discovered that that I like it the way it came. Although, I did root it to use any rooted only apps, lol.
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Have you tried a Sense cleaned up (bloatware) ROM? In any case, you might want to use Titanium to at least freeze some of the bloatware apps. You should still be able to get the OTA 2.3 update if/when HTC/TMo finally gets around to it.
I am not sure if being rooted will prevent that.

root on stock ROM shouldnt prevent it. although you will probably lose root. good idea to wait to update and see what the devs say about any new update. losing root to a new update isnt cool because you never know how long it will take for some one to figure out how to root again.

I am with you. I have not tried nor want to try any roms. I really like the default rom as is. I came from the HD2 where I flashed so many different roms, I ended up staying with a version of the mytouch 4g. Then I went and bought a real mytouch 4g and love it. I also rooted to get rid of the crappy apps. No problem with keeping it as is. People will always try and talk you into flashing a custom, but to be honest this is the first time I never have had any bugs or issues that I had to live with until the "next update".

same here...no matter how many different ROMS I flash, I always end up going back to the stock MySense. I did have a great experience with Orange Sense tho, pure sense and blazing fast thanks to Faux

Totally with you guys, after flashing several roms, trying to get them to work properly, then ending up too frustrated to continue, went right back to stock rom. rooted and removed bloatware. now happy as can be.

Same deal here. I came from the HD2 running android as well with the MT4G build, then I just bought the real deal. Mainly for the wifi calling and the front camera for the video calling. I gave the HD2 to my daughter and for some reason just last week the touch screen stopped working,, for windows and android. So there sending me a replacement, it should be here sometime this week. Does any of you know if I can use HP3 to flash roms and android builds? cuz I did use HD2 and Now I can't find it but I did find HD3. I waS Just wondering if they did the same thing. but I'm glad to hear i'm not the only one who digs the stock sense. I thought I was the only one.. LOL.. although now that CM7 is officially out I may give it a look... but I'm sure as always i'll end up back with stock.. and hopefully we'll get the honeycomb upgrade or the 2.3 sooner or later..

I'm also happy with the Stock Sense Rom, so happy in fact that I haven't rooted yet lol. My last phone was a mytouch 3g, which I rooted a few months into owning it, because with that phone there were so many glitches and so much lag that you had to root it to get it to work decently. And I wound up flashing a bunch of sense roms lol. But with this phone, it pretty much works and does everything I need it to out of the box.
With that said, do you guys really think it's still worth it to root for the non-rom-flashing benefits? i.e. setcpu and removal of bloatware? For my needs, I don't really feel like I need to overclock the phone, but I like the idea of underclocking to save battery...also, while the bloatware apps are annoying, it's not like they have taken away any functionality of the phone...I know everyone here's MO is "ROOT ASAP" but it seems like it's a little more complicated than it was for the MT3G, and while I'm not an idiot, I'm not really a tech-whiz either lol. Just not sure if it's worth the trouble and risk if I don't want/need to flash different roms.

I ran stock for a month and used ADW Launcher EX (normal version does this also) in order to hide the bloatware from the app drawer. This phone has so much power that for me it was out of sight out of mind with bloatware. I would assume LPP and other home replacement apps would have similar functions.
I flashed around a bit after rooting but always came back to stock, but then I switched to Orange Glacier by Faux123. It's stock, just quicker and debloated with some system apps moved in case you want to remove them also. IMO it's a bit better, but I still haven't decided how life changing it is His kernels def are.
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sunsean said:
I'm also happy with the Stock Sense Rom, so happy in fact that I haven't rooted yet lol. My last phone was a mytouch 3g, which I rooted a few months into owning it, because with that phone there were so many glitches and so much lag that you had to root it to get it to work decently. And I wound up flashing a bunch of sense roms lol. But with this phone, it pretty much works and does everything I need it to out of the box.
With that said, do you guys really think it's still worth it to root for the non-rom-flashing benefits? i.e. setcpu and removal of bloatware? For my needs, I don't really feel like I need to overclock the phone, but I like the idea of underclocking to save battery...also, while the bloatware apps are annoying, it's not like they have taken away any functionality of the phone...I know everyone here's MO is "ROOT ASAP" but it seems like it's a little more complicated than it was for the MT3G, and while I'm not an idiot, I'm not really a tech-whiz either lol. Just not sure if it's worth the trouble and risk if I don't want/need to flash different roms.
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I waited around 10 days before I rooted my phone just to get a nice feel of how things ran. yes I would definitely root if I were you. if you dont want to uninstall the bloatware, you can just freeze them with titanium. setcpu with a custom kernel underclocking with screen off will improve battery life as well(only OC to play games or view videos)

hello guys, this is my first time using a android phone. I like the stock Rom but i hate how slow the phone is running. Is there a way for me to overclock the phone and get rid of the awful bloatware tmo put in this thing?

trance112 said:
hello guys, this is my first time using a android phone. I like the stock Rom but i hate how slow the phone is running. Is there a way for me to overclock the phone and get rid of the awful bloatware tmo put in this thing?
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Download ice or royal glacier.
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Coming to the Charge from the IP4...

im trading my Ip4 for a droid charge.
how easy or hard is it to brick this? is there anything i should really make sure NOT to do so i screw it up for sure?
i have been reading that stock runs best? and GB does not run well? that true? what ROM would you all reccomend? i do like touchwiz..
cant wait to get it!
Thanx!

It is really personal preference, All the roms are very good and have something to offer everyone. Not hard at all to root and get this going. Check out the F.A.Q.s for any questions and you should be good to go.

is this a phone that will brick easy? like the Thunderbolt?

I have a Thunderbolt and if anything, this phone is easier to brick. It's a Samsung.
You have Odin for Samsung, and you can flash a restore RUU on an HTC.
Welcome to the world of "Droid does", apple sucks

Samsuck said:
I have a Thunderbolt and if anything, this phone is easier to brick. It's a Samsung.
You have Odin for Samsung, and you can flash a restore RUU on an HTC.
Welcome to the world of "Droid does", apple sucks
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really? its easier to Brick..i got rid of my TB cause of the PERMANENT Bricking. are you talking about jsut bricking then restoring with Odin? or are you talking Complete BRICK paper weight?

dvigue said:
really? its easier to Brick..i got rid of my TB cause of the PERMANENT Bricking. are you talking about jsut bricking then restoring with Odin? or are you talking Complete BRICK paper weight?
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to me it is hard to brick the Charge....I did alot of "things" to it and I always was able to restore it.....ODIN is a lifesaver

IMO, it's hard to brick any Samsung phone that you can use ODIN with. It's still possible though, but not as easy as HTC phones.

As a complete noob to flashing, I was able to hack my phone just fine following all the tutorials. I have soft bricked and boot looped trying various things , but by using the stock ODINs I have been just fine. I would def recommend the imnuts pbj kernel (non oc) with voodoo laxfix. My phone gets solid performance and battery life using this set up.
Good luck and welcome to Android!
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oh i have had many android phones, i just left for a bit
what is the BEST and Most stable GB rom in your opinions?

dvigue said:
oh i have had many android phones, i just left for a bit
what is the BEST and Most stable GB rom in your opinions?
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Gummycharged has been problem free for me so far. I have been running it for a week and haven't had to reboot or anything. Only issues I see on this ROM which is most likely the current GB leak these roms are based off of and not the rom specifically.
1. The 4 physical keys don't always light up, but who cares, I know where they are.
2. My first half ring or so is about half volume then by the end of the ring it full volume.

USB Debugging not functioning.

Hello guys, this is my first post so hi there. First of all I lurked this site for quite sometime but finally a decent need to make a account arose. I rooted my phone, Galaxy S 4G obviously, with intentions to put a custom ROM on there. I couldn't tell you which ROM it was as I forgot. But one of the higher rated ones available for this model. I was 2.2 at the time. I mistakenly flashed it to the official 2.3 ROM (from Samsung) and at first there were no issues. Until I realized I needed to flash it again because Superuser wouldn't work. Okay no issue. I go and turn USB debugging on so I can root it. I plug the phone it my computer via USB and the debugging icon doesn't show up. I tried unplugging and replugging it while turning the setting off and on. I don't know what to do. Stock ROM is pretty buggy on here. Any help is appreciated.

If your on GB the debug icon doesn't show in the status bar. If you turn it on from the phone rest assured it's on.

I wanna believe that. But when I used...Superoneclick I think the rooting didn't work. I'll have another go at it however.
EDIT: Well, my phone didn't even recognize my phone plugged in however I could turn on USB storage...could be apart of it.

I haven't used super one click in a while but I'm pretty sure if you are trying to root GB you have to use hte most recent version of SOC. If that doesn't work you can always flash this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1380331through heimdell. Or flash one of honks kernels through odin.

I'm rooting my phone as we speak, and I uninstalled superuser because I was getting pissed off how slow my phone was. Is there any good ROMS for this phone that increases performance?

Yeah theres a bunch of good ones in the dev section. I like valhalla black ice edition. Super smooth, great battery life. Just look over there you won't be dissapointed.

AJTeamkiller said:
I'm rooting my phone as we speak, and I uninstalled superuser because I was getting pissed off how slow my phone was. Is there any good ROMS for this phone that increases performance?
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Yea! For example there's Octane 3.0, Valhalla, Valhalla Black Edition, ICBINB, and AOSP style. Go try them and see which one you like.
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iHelper said:
Yea! For example there's Octane 3.0, Valhalla, Valhalla Black Edition, ICBINB, and AOSP style. Go try them and see which one you like.
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I have my eye on that Valhalla black edition, but a lot of my decision goes into the UI. Black Edition apparently has a decent ICS launcher. Which makes me interested as ICS reminds me a lot of the Windows Phone UI to some extent.
Octane 3.0 looks a lot like ICS as well. Can anybody help me with the pros and cons of each? I need something to discuss while my phone is rooted. It takes forever.

Should I be worried my screen won't turn on in the middle of rooting it?...

Once your rooted and get cwm just take Ihelpers suggestion and try a few ROMS and decide for yourself. It's hard to give someone suggestions about personal preference. I really like IPA's but my best freind prefers Pilsner. You get the idea.

Before I delve to deep in that....It says running rageagainsthecage. Okay cool, my phone vibrates to tell me its done charging, okay cool. The screen won't turn back on. What damage could I do if I pull the battery?
EDIT: went ahead and did it. Did not brick. I honestly didn't know what would happen if I did so don't judge me D: but, I went ahead and tried it again. Got up to the same point, and then my computer stopped reading my phone for a second. My computer recognizes it right now but superoneclick still says waiting for device....

How long have you had it going? I remember it taking alot longer than I thought it should. But that was on froyo. Don't pull the battery unless your absolutely sure it's not working. If that's the case study up on ODIN or heimdell.

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How long have you had it going? I remember it taking alot longer than I thought it should. But that was on froyo. Don't pull the battery unless your absolutely sure it's not working. If that's the case study up on ODIN or heimdell.
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I guarantee it froze, I know its not rooted. But gonna try superuser and see what happens. After I rooted on froyo it was really slow until I rebooted.

If it boots up just DL root ckecker from the market. Run it and it will tell you whether it's rooted or not.

Weird, Superuser doesn't autoclose yet it says my device isn't rooted.

No root for you! Seriously look at my 4th post and just go one of those routes(or roots). Take your time and remember to enjoy a nice IPA along the way.

It keeps looping and stops recognizing. Guess I'll use another method to root. I think I might just do that tomorrow. Getting up there into the night.

Any other method of rooting thats simple and reliable(main reason I liked SOC) Also very odd bug where the screen would come on for no reason, just odd.

AJTeamkiller said:
Any other method of rooting thats simple and reliable(main reason I liked SOC) Also very odd bug where the screen would come on for no reason, just odd.
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Heimdall my kernel. Search the general forum for '[REF]' and you'll find a thread I started about rooting. Either will get you root, but my kernel will get you cwm.
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bhundven said:
Heimdall my kernel. Search the general forum for '[REF]' and you'll find a thread I started about rooting. Either will get you root, but my kernel will get you cwm.
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Well, gonna try one SOC one last time, gonna let it go and I'ma go grab a ice tea from my convenience store, which would take 30 minutes, how long on average for this phone would it take?

My first flashing... (no trenchcoat involved)

So, I finally flashed a ROM onto my Atrix 2 for the first time the other day.
Synopsis
​Long story short the twitter app crashed my phone and threw it into a boot-loop, I did some research, quickly learned the in's-and-out's of flashing ROM's, flashed the stock-ROM for my device, fully updated my device, and became a better man for it...okay, well maybe not that last part!
The nitty-gritty
​What happened was I was trying to update my twitter when the app locked up after hitting the 'submit' button. I tried to force-close the program but to no avail. Then I had the bright idea of shutting down my phone. This is where the fun began.
After re-booting my phone, I discovered that it was stuck in a boot-loop. Now, my phone has been rooted for a little over a month. There were no issues that occurred after I rooted my phone up until that point. This is what leaves me to believe that Twitter corrupted some app data.
After this happened I took to the internet and scoured over forums (this one chief among them), articles, videos, and even asked a few fellow-android users here in the real world. Everywhere I looked lead me to this term I had feared up until this point: Flashing.
I understood that flashing a ROM was just like installing a new operating system. I had toyed around with Linux before just a bit and am savvy-ish when it comes to computers. However, I was so terrified of bricking my phone in trying to flash a new ROM onto it (I would have been track-phoning for around a year until my next manufacturer subsidy came out on my account.)
After discovering terms like deodexed, CM7, stock, AP Fastboot, RSD Lite, and hardware-key reset, I felt like I was finally able to attempt the flashing. The first few attempts failed as I didn't realize I didn't have enough battery life to sustain the flashing process.
After charging it up, I flashed the stock ROM onto my phone. The moment it went from the red M puddle screen to the dripping AT&T sphere, then onward to the ROM was a moment of pure joy (not to sound corny.) I felt like I had beat-the-system. A problem that would have forced others to return their phone to the store was a problem that I fixed myself.
Final Thought
​I know this is rather cinematic for it being a simple flash job on an android device. But, for me, this was quite exhilarating. I'm not comfortable flashing anything lower than full-release ROM's (beta and alpha ROM's are a bit beyond my scope right now.) But, I do look forward to testing out various full-release ROM's as they become available.

AscottW said:
So, I finally flashed a ROM onto my Atrix 2 for the first time the other day.
Synopsis
​Long story short the twitter app crashed my phone and threw it into a boot-loop, I did some research, quickly learned the in's-and-out's of flashing ROM's, flashed the stock-ROM for my device, fully updated my device, and became a better man for it...okay, well maybe not that last part!
The nitty-gritty
​What happened was I was trying to update my twitter when the app locked up after hitting the 'submit' button. I tried to force-close the program but to no avail. Then I had the bright idea of shutting down my phone. This is where the fun began.
After re-booting my phone, I discovered that it was stuck in a boot-loop. Now, my phone has been rooted for a little over a month. There were no issues that occurred after I rooted my phone up until that point. This is what leaves me to believe that Twitter corrupted some app data.
After this happened I took to the internet and scoured over forums (this one chief among them), articles, videos, and even asked a few fellow-android users here in the real world. Everywhere I looked lead me to this term I had feared up until this point: Flashing.
I understood that flashing a ROM was just like installing a new operating system. I had toyed around with Linux before just a bit and am savvy-ish when it comes to computers. However, I was so terrified of bricking my phone in trying to flash a new ROM onto it (I would have been track-phoning for around a year until my next manufacturer subsidy came out on my account.)
After discovering terms like deodexed, CM7, stock, AP Fastboot, RSD Lite, and hardware-key reset, I felt like I was finally able to attempt the flashing. The first few attempts failed as I didn't realize I didn't have enough battery life to sustain the flashing process.
After charging it up, I flashed the stock ROM onto my phone. The moment it went from the red M puddle screen to the dripping AT&T sphere, then onward to the ROM was a moment of pure joy (not to sound corny.) I felt like I had beat-the-system. A problem that would have forced others to return their phone to the store was a problem that I fixed myself.
Final Thought
​I know this is rather cinematic for it being a simple flash job on an android device. But, for me, this was quite exhilarating. I'm not comfortable flashing anything lower than full-release ROM's (beta and alpha ROM's are a bit beyond my scope right now.) But, I do look forward to testing out various full-release ROM's as they become available.
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In all technicality all you're doing when flashing a rom (at least now) is installing some tweaked files such as build.prop or some tweaked system files for themes. By no means is it a new OS. But once a main kernel Dec finished up with a CM7 kernel we should be able to flash a custom kernel which is the meat of what really runs your phone. Really the stuff we can do right now only really have to do withtl the UI.
But anyways welcome to the world of android development!
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Congrats on flashing your first ROM . Sorry to hear it didn't completely work out for your. Quick question: did you wipe the Dalvik Cache as part of the flashing process?
By the way, most of the ROMs labeled "beta" are pretty stable. If a ROM has had more than a few updates and it's still in beta, it's mostly because the developer is either planning on adding more features for the full release or is a perfectionist
Well, as you can tell it's a sharp learning curve. But welcome to the world of Android hacking/modding/whateveryoucallit, and happy flashing

wait, are you telling me that there are actually people who do research before complaining about some little thing they don't know how to do?!?!?!?!?!?!?
FINALLY
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LOL.. good story/nice read.. Welcome!

I would say it worked out pretty well. I will probably flash a custom ROM later on this week. I will also keep reading up on the whole process and the it's and out's.
I cleared both user data and the dalvik cache as well. Pretty much at that point I was desperate. Lolz
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lkrasner said:
wait, are you telling me that there are actually people who do research before complaining about some little thing they don't know how to do?!?!?!?!?!?!?
FINALLY
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Hahaha.. Well, with this involving my phone (for which I don't have the hundreds of dollars to buy one outside the manufacturers subsidy) I wanted to make sure I was doing things right.
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AscottW said:
I would say it worked out pretty well. I will probably flash a custom ROM later on this week. I will also keep reading up on the whole process and the it's and out's.
I cleared both user data and the dalvik cache as well. Pretty much at that point I was desperate. Lolz
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its really easy, so you should go ahead, the roms we have are way better than stock. Lithium is y favorite right now.

alteredlikeness said:
LOL.. good story/nice read.. Welcome!
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Glad you enjoyed it! I am happy that my twitter app decided to crash, now.
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AscottW said:
Hahaha.. Well, with this involving my phone (for which I don't have the hundreds of dollars to buy one outside the manufacturers subsidy) I wanted to make sure I was doing things right.
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I second that.. better to take your time to research, and do things right the first time...
lkrasner said:
its really easy, so you should go ahead, the roms we have are way better than stock. Lithium is y favorite right now.
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^Total opinion about stock and custom... I'm on stock/odex/modded/tweaked with some bells and whistles... nice, responsive, and stable..
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alteredlikeness said:
^Total opinion about stock and custom... I'm on stock/odex/modded/tweaked with some bells and whistles... nice, responsive, and stable..
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I agree. Spent this weekend working on the Stock 2.3.6 rooted/odexed. Added the Superv6, and other mods, hotspot wifi fix, removed bloat. Definitely more fun this way. Then again I had a buttload of practice on my original ATRIX.
And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!

dicksteele said:
And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!
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Yes without that I would of had an expensive paperweight to many times

dicksteele said:
I agree. Spent this weekend working on the Stock 2.3.6 rooted/odexed. Added the Superv6, and other mods, hotspot wifi fix, removed bloat. Definitely more fun this way. Then again I had a buttload of practice on my original ATRIX.
And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!
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How exactly do I identify bloatware? I have two programs to do that Titanium backup and Rom Manager as well as a few 3p uninstallers. However, I never know exactly what to delete?

AscottW said:
How exactly do I identify bloatware? I have two programs to do that Titanium backup and Rom Manager as well as a few 3p uninstallers. However, I never know exactly what to delete?
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DON'T ever delete any programs. It is better to use something like bloat freezer, and freeze these apps, than to delete them.
The updates check for missing "bloatware" and will fail to install the updates due to ANY missing apps, that came with the stock image.
If you want a debloated image, then use one of the more custom ROMS like lithium, or Supercharged, etc.
If you use a debloated ROM, then you can always flash the fxz back before any updates come out, we tend to start screaming pretty load on here when updates start to arrive as you may have already seen this week with the ICS leaks.
P.S. It is VERY hard to hardbrick this phone, it took me killing the signature on the kernel to get my first hardbrick, and I have had 3 more hardbricks. I have the warranty through att, so I never worry about things like that, since I am a dev and take my phones life into my own hands, and ATT always has exchanged my phone on the spot for over 12 years now.... You can softbrick (bootloop), but that is an easy fix with the FXZ (lifesaver). So not too much to worry about hurting your phone with flashing...

jimbridgman said:
DON'T ever delete any programs. It is better to use something like bloat freezer, and freeze these apps, than to delete them.
The updates check for missing "bloatware" and will fail to install the updates due to ANY missing apps, that came with the stock image.
If you want a debloated image, then use one of the more custom ROMS like lithium, or Supercharged, etc.
If you use a debloated ROM, then you can always flash the fxz back before any updates come out, we tend to start screaming pretty load on here when updates start to arrive as you may have already seen this week with the ICS leaks.
P.S. It is VERY hard to hardbrick this phone, it took me killing the signature on the kernel to get my first hardbrick, and I have 3 more hardbricks. I have the warranty through att, so I never worry about things like that, since I am a dev and take my phones life into my own hands.... You can softbrick (bootloop), but that is an easy fix with the FXZ (lifesaver). So not too much to worry about hurting your phone with flashing...
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LOL, I was laughing so hard when XDA crashed last night. I was sure we caused it with our ICS Freak out!!!!

lkrasner said:
LOL, I was laughing so hard when XDA crashed last night. I was sure we caused it with our ICS Freak out!!!!
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I though the same thing, and I was kind of glad it did crash though, so that I could find that article with the interview of cyanogen that was posted on the XDA-dev home page.

AscottW, I am like you -I read and researched and forum'd my evening/early morning hours away with regards to the whole rooting and flashing and so on. I have never done such things with a phone before, but being fairly computer savvy myself felt like after several hard weeks learning as much as I could, flashed MY first ROM. (Did a little happy dance myself when I saw the custom boot animation for the first time, think I even let out a little school boy squeal as well! -Glad no one was around to hear that)
Still reading and researching and forum'ing at every free moment I have (girlfriend and kids think my laptop has become permanently attached to my, well... lap!) and am really interested in possibly getting myself to a point where I can be of some usefulness in the dev world.
Admittedly, after flashing for the first time, I got foolish with CWM and did basically what seemed like deleting the system partition and told the Android OS to get lost. Big mistake. Got stuck in a crazy splash screen loop and wouldn't load Android OS for the life of me. That said, with the help of the good people here on this forum, I was able to be walked through a AP Fastboot FXZ file fix, updated back to 2.3.6, and started over -making damn sure I knew what I was doing before doing ANYTHING! lol

Feel like: "I just had sex"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o

PhoenixNghi said:
Feel like: "I just had sex"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o
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lol @ this!