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Hey guys,
I am coming from a G1 which I got from craigslist that I did not think twice about rooting. Now, I bought my captivate brand new and am over all pleased. The thing that drives me crazy is I would flash my g1 constantly. I liked the tinkering aspect. My question is at this point, are the custom roms out for the captivate worth rooting?
Keep in mind, I really do not notice lag on my phone and the GPS works fine for what I use it for. I also use the sideload wonder machine to load non market apps.
If you like to tweak - Designgears and others are pushing ROM builds like crazy.
Personally I will probably never run the phone stock again.
avgjoegeek said:
If you like to tweak - Designgears and others are pushing ROM builds like crazy.
Personally I will probably never run the phone stock again.
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Right on, looks likes I am going to root my phone when i get home and see what I can load up. Thanks.
If you are happy with your phone and it does what you need it to do there is no reason to do anything. Look at what the custom ROMs have to offer and if there is anything you really think you would miss not having.
I'm personally running Con 2.2beta4 and have been running what dg has been putting out since SRE 1.2 or so, but I'm the kind of person who likes to tinker
z28james said:
Hey guys,
I am coming from a G1 which I got from craigslist that I did not think twice about rooting. Now, I bought my captivate brand new and am over all pleased. The thing that drives me crazy is I would flash my g1 constantly. I liked the tinkering aspect. My question is at this point, are the custom roms out for the captivate worth rooting?
Keep in mind, I really do not notice lag on my phone and the GPS works fine for what I use it for. I also use the sideload wonder machine to load non market apps.
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Well, that's up to you, if you're pleased with your current setup, there's no need to.
Keep in mind stock rom with no lag fix gave me 900 on quadrant..
i9000 jg8 eclair rom (not recommanded unless you have a good reason for that specific rom) with reoriented kernel gave me 2200, and now, with cognition beta 4 I get about 1900 with lag fix, but it feels fast enough for me
and there's awesome flash support.
Stock setup is not using half of the potential of this phone if you ask me,
but if you're happy with it there's no need to risk it, you can always
brick it by accident if you flash (even though I flashed it a lot and unbricked it too many times but seems like some people managed to brick it completely..)
Unlike most of you guys I don't have a warranty, I'm living outside the u.s so I can't just go to at&t store and I paid for this phone
more than 650$ in cash and I still take the risk and flash it, I admit, I'm addicted.
So, I went ahead and rooted my phone and I have loaded a few roms already. Now I remember why I like android phones so much, heh.
quadrant doesnt matter.
if you like customization i say root. if you are in the know, then you should definitely root and customize
orlandoxpolice said:
quadrant doesnt matter.
if you like customization i say root. if you are in the know, then you should definitely root and customize
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I ended up at the stock firmware rooted, OCLF (honestly, besides the benchmarks, the phone does seem to be less laggy), stock lock screen and minus all of the ATT bloatware.
I feel silly for not rooting my phone before because this is exactly how I wish the phone was from the get go.
z28james said:
I ended up at the stock firmware rooted, OCLF (honestly, besides the benchmarks, the phone does seem to be less laggy), stock lock screen and minus all of the ATT bloatware.
I feel silly for not rooting my phone before because this is exactly how I wish the phone was from the get go.
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yea im running cog 2.1.7 and it is blazing fast
hell yeah its worth rooting! im still debating to go to 2.2 or not, but im on cog 2.1.5 right now and its hella worth it
These forums are getting littered with people asking for help after screwing up their phones trying to install CM7. Why are people who don't know what they're doing trying to install a ROM that is not yet fully functional? This should be left to devs who are trying to fix issues, not people who need their phones to work. I just don't get it.
I thought the topic was taken down.
Edit: Nevermind, the topic is still there. Imo though, I think it should be taken down and only progress be shown. Might prevent the massive amounts of bricking and general failure to read directions.
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Its actually pretty stable and works great long as you read step by step.
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Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
Thats exactly it, Gingerbread.
41LY45 said:
Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
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I bricked mine like 3 times trying to get "simple" Serendipity to work for the first time.
Gotta love the jig though. Didn't have one brick during the CM7 process though. Just a lot of resets back stock b/c of the mistakes.
41LY45 said:
Lol, gingerbread I suppose. :facepalm:
But yeah, they should know what they are doing. Otherwise, bricks ahoy!
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
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Lol, it's amazing how badly some people cream their pants over bigger version numbers.
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miahsoul said:
I bricked mine like 3 times trying to get "simple" Serendipity to work for the first time.
Gotta love the jig though. Didn't have one brick during the CM7 process though. Just a lot of resets back stock b/c of the mistakes.
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Tough luck brah.
Flashed Andromeda 1.0 for my first ROM. Worked like a charm.
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Lol, it's amazing how badly some people cream their pants over bigger version numbers.
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People are people and
It's Gingerbread!!
Not sure if gingerbread is worth the risks, but I'm happy that there's lots of people trying it out so I can use a stable release in the future.
lightswitch2159 said:
Thats exactly it, Gingerbread.
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And exactly what is in Gingerbread that makes salivating fools out of so many?
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Not sure if gingerbread is worth the risks, but I'm happy that there's lots of people trying it out so I can use a stable release in the future.
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Yeah, but too many of those people are ending up in here looking for help when it goes bad. It just takes up space and energy better used to solve issues with actual working ROMs. Let the Devs do the development work that they're so good at.
Probably because CM is a big name dev and people think it'll be superior to what they're currently using, oh, and like it was said earlier, Gingerbread... I don't see what the huge fuss is about with Gingerbread, nothing huge has changed from Froyo and Ice Cream is already in development so I think Gingerbread will turn out to be like the early 2.0 Eclair build, something to skip over until a big update is available.
CM isn't what it used to be back in its hayday with the G1/Dream and MT3G/Magic, so I'm not sure what people are expecting... Nothing against the CM team of course, the entire team does great work even if the releases are taking a really long time compared to before.
I'll be waiting it out, if I get an official Gingerbread update for either of my phones, I'll do them, otherwise I'm going to wait for the next big update which is actually worth installing... But I agree, there seems to be a huge deal about a simple update for no apparent reason at all, Its not like the Eclair > Froyo update which improved performance by a good margin, so really, there isn't much to gain by installing Gingerbread other than a few UI improvements (which most of us won't see anyways since we all use 3rd party launchers).
Here's a perfect example of how dangerous this place can be sometimes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11894653&postcount=8
She just joined, just got a Captivate and already she's asking about flashing CM7. Apparently, none of the warnings were enough, she's willing to take the advice of absolute strangers, some who are willing to push her onward.
It's that damn lock crt-off animation. It's our generation's version of the three sirens, and instead of sail boats, we have android phones
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These forums are getting littered with people asking for help after screwing up their phones trying to install CM7. Why are people who don't know what they're doing trying to install a ROM that is not yet fully functional? This should be left to devs who are trying to fix issues, not people who need their phones to work. I just don't get it.
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I haven't flashed it because I don't know what I'm doing, scared and too lazy to start messing with odin or the like, but I understand the urge. By all accounts it's stable enough. I'll probably give it a go within a few days. At which point, if I brick my phone, I'll get a new one and consider it a learning experience. Plus, based on what I read yesterday it's never going to be as simple as updating a .zip anyway, so I might as well cross that bridge sooner rather than later.
modest_mandroid said:
It's that damn lock crt-off animation. It's our generation's version of the three sirens, and instead of sail boats, we have android phones
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And yes, I'm not one bit ashamed of lusting for the obvious the gimmick. Gingerbread CRT out animation alone would be worth the risk, tbh, much less the whole gingerbread rom.
If people refuse to heed warnings, its their own fault.
As for Gingerbread, I can't speak for the others, but I want SIP support.
JVM improvements
Gingerbread claimed to have faster garbage collection and OpenGL among other things. It will probably have bigger memory footprint on a downside.
I will wait til Audience noise suppression support is there, which is likely never.
I will probably try it when Voodoo Sound and OC/UV are in the kernel, and all major bugs fixed. This likely to happen with the help of Galaxy S community.
I don't get the attitude towards being more AOSPish. AOSP is already out there. It is Samsung Captivate which needs native driver support to have all its internals fully functional.
I keep Torch 1.5 as a workhorse for now.
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I haven't flashed it because I don't know what I'm doing, scared and too lazy to start messing with odin or the like, but I understand the urge. By all accounts it's stable enough. I'll probably give it a go within a few days. At which point, if I brick my phone, I'll get a new one and consider it a learning experience. Plus, based on what I read yesterday it's never going to be as simple as updating a .zip anyway, so I might as well cross that bridge sooner rather than later.
And yes, I'm not one bit ashamed of lusting for the obvious the gimmick. Gingerbread CRT out animation alone would be worth the risk, tbh, much less the whole gingerbread rom.
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Yes, that cursed crt animation. Was drooling over it on preview vid.
The risk of bricking my everyday phone w/o a jig prevents me from doing so.
Swyped from my Froyo-ed Captivate.
bravomail said:
Gingerbread claimed to have faster garbage collection and OpenGL among other things. It will probably have bigger memory footprint on a downside.
I will wait til Audience noise suppression support is there, which is likely never.
I will probably try it when Voodoo Sound and OC/UV are in the kernel, and all major bugs fixed. This likely to happen with the help of Galaxy S community.
I don't get the attitude towards being more AOSPish. AOSP is already out there. It is Samsung Captivate which needs native driver support to have all its internals fully functional.
I keep Torch 1.5 as a workhorse for now.
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There is no aosp for the captivate. Cm is built from actual source compared to piece together roms...which have been good by the way. And why create a thread about cm7 and peoples motives for flashing? Its new...that's why I flashed it! I have never used cm before so I personally wanted to see what it was like. It is the best rom I have used for speed without any lagfix. People have started flashing phones since I have been a member with no experience...it is going to stay that way. It hasn't just started with cm.
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There is no aosp for the captivate. Cm is built from actual source compared to piece together roms...which have been good by the way. And why create a thread about cm7 and peoples motives for flashing? Its new...that's why I flashed it! I have never used cm before so I personally wanted to see what it was like. It is the best rom I have used for speed without any lagfix. People have started flashing phones since I have been a member with no experience...it is going to stay that way. It hasn't just started with cm.
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True, but while every ROM has its share of issues, I see more posts from people who tried to flash CM7 and had it go horribly wrong than any other. It is a completely different animal as far as flashing goes.
has anyone created just a black status bar? I really don't want to install any ROMS at the moment (I am rooted).
Thanks!
It looks nice, I'm waiting for the unrooted CM7 or whatever, I'm rooted but afraid to download any ROMs
Mikeglongo said:
It looks nice, I'm waiting for the unrooted CM7 or whatever, I'm rooted but afraid to download any ROMs
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1. Cm7 is rooted.
2. Why would you be scared?
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I thought the new cm7 comes out for unrooted users instead of having to go ito ROM manager and what-not to get it?
And that's why I'm worried... I'm not really that tech-savvy with this stuff, so I'm hesitant on installing anything.. don't want to brick my phone
Someone will write a updated for the framework-res soon enough. I wonder how it will look with lcd bleeding.
Why flash an entire custom rom for just a black status bar?
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I thought the new cm7 comes out for unrooted users instead of having to go ito ROM manager and what-not to get it?
And that's why I'm worried... I'm not really that tech-savvy with this stuff, so I'm hesitant on installing anything.. don't want to brick my phone
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You have to be rooted to flash anything. Rom manager isnt ready yet, but clockwork recovery works just fine. And you cant brick a phone by flashing a rom.
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Mikeglongo said:
I thought the new cm7 comes out for unrooted users instead of having to go ito ROM manager and what-not to get it?
And that's why I'm worried... I'm not really that tech-savvy with this stuff, so I'm hesitant on installing anything.. don't want to brick my phone
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Honestly more people should be like you. If you're not comfortable doing the things you see on this forum like rooting, using a custom recovery and flashing roms it's best that you refrain from doing so. A lot of people mess stuff up and don't have enough knowledge to fix it, then panic and cause more problems for themselves.
I was extremely timid with my g1, but now 2 phones later I'm much more comfortable messing with this stuff. The best advice I can give is for you to just read all kinds of stuff on these forums until you get a good idea about what different things do and how they can help and/or hurt what you want to do with your phone, then decide for yourself if you want to proceed.
And yes, like the last poster said, CM is only available to root users. You might be thinking of Gingerbread (Android 2.3) which will be available to non-root users "soon" according to tmobile.
Hope this helps ya out man.
Thanks a lot guys, yes I used ROM manager and it didn't work and it got me stuck at the LG sign when rebooting, and I panicked, so I exchanged my phone.
Got a new one, rooted it for whatever reason - maybe just to freeze bloatware.
I'll just wait for the Gingerbread. I just hope it solves the battery problem? 0_o I'm a stickler for battery, so I need to know soon because I'll just return my phone and get a different one (possibly a blackberry since the battery was always good on my old one), just always wanted to adventure into a smartphone
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You have to be rooted to flash anything. Rom manager isnt ready yet, but clockwork recovery works just fine. And you cant brick a phone by flashing a rom.
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actually u can brick a phone JUST by flashing a ROM...unlikely given some reasonable intelligence...but it does happen...radios...radios..radios...also...kernels...
I'd say the best method is to just wait for the Official Gingerbread update from LG.
Flashing roms is fun and easy but not everyone has to be a crackflasher. CM7 will never be available for unrooted phones as you have to be rooted to flash it.
The G2x is very new and ClockWorkMod recovery isn't even ready for prime time yet. I would hold off at least until CWM Recovery has a decent automated boot process for our phones.
As far as bleeding screens, you WILL be able to see it with the all black bar. I have 2 G2x's here which 1 I haven't returned yet and has a screen bleed. It is noticeable. I did conclude that the "Sense-themed" bar in Eaglesblood isn't noticeable because of the contrasting colors. So take that with some consideration.
Mikeglongo said:
Thanks a lot guys, yes I used ROM manager and it didn't work and it got me stuck at the LG sign when rebooting, and I panicked, so I exchanged my phone.
Got a new one, rooted it for whatever reason - maybe just to freeze bloatware.
I'll just wait for the Gingerbread. I just hope it solves the battery problem? 0_o I'm a stickler for battery, so I need to know soon because I'll just return my phone and get a different one (possibly a blackberry since the battery was always good on my old one), just always wanted to adventure into a smartphone
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Hahahahahahahhaha
avetny said:
Hahahahahahahhaha
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My thoughts exactly,
Aren't blackberries notorious for turning themselves on and off? Maybe that explains the battery life
Haha, real funny, no my blackberry never turned on and off
So, I finally flashed a ROM onto my Atrix 2 for the first time the other day.
Synopsis
Long story short the twitter app crashed my phone and threw it into a boot-loop, I did some research, quickly learned the in's-and-out's of flashing ROM's, flashed the stock-ROM for my device, fully updated my device, and became a better man for it...okay, well maybe not that last part!
The nitty-gritty
What happened was I was trying to update my twitter when the app locked up after hitting the 'submit' button. I tried to force-close the program but to no avail. Then I had the bright idea of shutting down my phone. This is where the fun began.
After re-booting my phone, I discovered that it was stuck in a boot-loop. Now, my phone has been rooted for a little over a month. There were no issues that occurred after I rooted my phone up until that point. This is what leaves me to believe that Twitter corrupted some app data.
After this happened I took to the internet and scoured over forums (this one chief among them), articles, videos, and even asked a few fellow-android users here in the real world. Everywhere I looked lead me to this term I had feared up until this point: Flashing.
I understood that flashing a ROM was just like installing a new operating system. I had toyed around with Linux before just a bit and am savvy-ish when it comes to computers. However, I was so terrified of bricking my phone in trying to flash a new ROM onto it (I would have been track-phoning for around a year until my next manufacturer subsidy came out on my account.)
After discovering terms like deodexed, CM7, stock, AP Fastboot, RSD Lite, and hardware-key reset, I felt like I was finally able to attempt the flashing. The first few attempts failed as I didn't realize I didn't have enough battery life to sustain the flashing process.
After charging it up, I flashed the stock ROM onto my phone. The moment it went from the red M puddle screen to the dripping AT&T sphere, then onward to the ROM was a moment of pure joy (not to sound corny.) I felt like I had beat-the-system. A problem that would have forced others to return their phone to the store was a problem that I fixed myself.
Final Thought
I know this is rather cinematic for it being a simple flash job on an android device. But, for me, this was quite exhilarating. I'm not comfortable flashing anything lower than full-release ROM's (beta and alpha ROM's are a bit beyond my scope right now.) But, I do look forward to testing out various full-release ROM's as they become available.
AscottW said:
So, I finally flashed a ROM onto my Atrix 2 for the first time the other day.
Synopsis
Long story short the twitter app crashed my phone and threw it into a boot-loop, I did some research, quickly learned the in's-and-out's of flashing ROM's, flashed the stock-ROM for my device, fully updated my device, and became a better man for it...okay, well maybe not that last part!
The nitty-gritty
What happened was I was trying to update my twitter when the app locked up after hitting the 'submit' button. I tried to force-close the program but to no avail. Then I had the bright idea of shutting down my phone. This is where the fun began.
After re-booting my phone, I discovered that it was stuck in a boot-loop. Now, my phone has been rooted for a little over a month. There were no issues that occurred after I rooted my phone up until that point. This is what leaves me to believe that Twitter corrupted some app data.
After this happened I took to the internet and scoured over forums (this one chief among them), articles, videos, and even asked a few fellow-android users here in the real world. Everywhere I looked lead me to this term I had feared up until this point: Flashing.
I understood that flashing a ROM was just like installing a new operating system. I had toyed around with Linux before just a bit and am savvy-ish when it comes to computers. However, I was so terrified of bricking my phone in trying to flash a new ROM onto it (I would have been track-phoning for around a year until my next manufacturer subsidy came out on my account.)
After discovering terms like deodexed, CM7, stock, AP Fastboot, RSD Lite, and hardware-key reset, I felt like I was finally able to attempt the flashing. The first few attempts failed as I didn't realize I didn't have enough battery life to sustain the flashing process.
After charging it up, I flashed the stock ROM onto my phone. The moment it went from the red M puddle screen to the dripping AT&T sphere, then onward to the ROM was a moment of pure joy (not to sound corny.) I felt like I had beat-the-system. A problem that would have forced others to return their phone to the store was a problem that I fixed myself.
Final Thought
I know this is rather cinematic for it being a simple flash job on an android device. But, for me, this was quite exhilarating. I'm not comfortable flashing anything lower than full-release ROM's (beta and alpha ROM's are a bit beyond my scope right now.) But, I do look forward to testing out various full-release ROM's as they become available.
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In all technicality all you're doing when flashing a rom (at least now) is installing some tweaked files such as build.prop or some tweaked system files for themes. By no means is it a new OS. But once a main kernel Dec finished up with a CM7 kernel we should be able to flash a custom kernel which is the meat of what really runs your phone. Really the stuff we can do right now only really have to do withtl the UI.
But anyways welcome to the world of android development!
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Congrats on flashing your first ROM . Sorry to hear it didn't completely work out for your. Quick question: did you wipe the Dalvik Cache as part of the flashing process?
By the way, most of the ROMs labeled "beta" are pretty stable. If a ROM has had more than a few updates and it's still in beta, it's mostly because the developer is either planning on adding more features for the full release or is a perfectionist
Well, as you can tell it's a sharp learning curve. But welcome to the world of Android hacking/modding/whateveryoucallit, and happy flashing
wait, are you telling me that there are actually people who do research before complaining about some little thing they don't know how to do?!?!?!?!?!?!?
FINALLY
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LOL.. good story/nice read.. Welcome!
I would say it worked out pretty well. I will probably flash a custom ROM later on this week. I will also keep reading up on the whole process and the it's and out's.
I cleared both user data and the dalvik cache as well. Pretty much at that point I was desperate. Lolz
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wait, are you telling me that there are actually people who do research before complaining about some little thing they don't know how to do?!?!?!?!?!?!?
FINALLY
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Hahaha.. Well, with this involving my phone (for which I don't have the hundreds of dollars to buy one outside the manufacturers subsidy) I wanted to make sure I was doing things right.
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AscottW said:
I would say it worked out pretty well. I will probably flash a custom ROM later on this week. I will also keep reading up on the whole process and the it's and out's.
I cleared both user data and the dalvik cache as well. Pretty much at that point I was desperate. Lolz
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its really easy, so you should go ahead, the roms we have are way better than stock. Lithium is y favorite right now.
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LOL.. good story/nice read.. Welcome!
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Glad you enjoyed it! I am happy that my twitter app decided to crash, now.
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Hahaha.. Well, with this involving my phone (for which I don't have the hundreds of dollars to buy one outside the manufacturers subsidy) I wanted to make sure I was doing things right.
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I second that.. better to take your time to research, and do things right the first time...
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its really easy, so you should go ahead, the roms we have are way better than stock. Lithium is y favorite right now.
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^Total opinion about stock and custom... I'm on stock/odex/modded/tweaked with some bells and whistles... nice, responsive, and stable..
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^Total opinion about stock and custom... I'm on stock/odex/modded/tweaked with some bells and whistles... nice, responsive, and stable..
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I agree. Spent this weekend working on the Stock 2.3.6 rooted/odexed. Added the Superv6, and other mods, hotspot wifi fix, removed bloat. Definitely more fun this way. Then again I had a buttload of practice on my original ATRIX.
And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!
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And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!
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Yes without that I would of had an expensive paperweight to many times
dicksteele said:
I agree. Spent this weekend working on the Stock 2.3.6 rooted/odexed. Added the Superv6, and other mods, hotspot wifi fix, removed bloat. Definitely more fun this way. Then again I had a buttload of practice on my original ATRIX.
And thank god for the bootstrap and FXZ !!!!
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How exactly do I identify bloatware? I have two programs to do that Titanium backup and Rom Manager as well as a few 3p uninstallers. However, I never know exactly what to delete?
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How exactly do I identify bloatware? I have two programs to do that Titanium backup and Rom Manager as well as a few 3p uninstallers. However, I never know exactly what to delete?
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DON'T ever delete any programs. It is better to use something like bloat freezer, and freeze these apps, than to delete them.
The updates check for missing "bloatware" and will fail to install the updates due to ANY missing apps, that came with the stock image.
If you want a debloated image, then use one of the more custom ROMS like lithium, or Supercharged, etc.
If you use a debloated ROM, then you can always flash the fxz back before any updates come out, we tend to start screaming pretty load on here when updates start to arrive as you may have already seen this week with the ICS leaks.
P.S. It is VERY hard to hardbrick this phone, it took me killing the signature on the kernel to get my first hardbrick, and I have had 3 more hardbricks. I have the warranty through att, so I never worry about things like that, since I am a dev and take my phones life into my own hands, and ATT always has exchanged my phone on the spot for over 12 years now.... You can softbrick (bootloop), but that is an easy fix with the FXZ (lifesaver). So not too much to worry about hurting your phone with flashing...
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DON'T ever delete any programs. It is better to use something like bloat freezer, and freeze these apps, than to delete them.
The updates check for missing "bloatware" and will fail to install the updates due to ANY missing apps, that came with the stock image.
If you want a debloated image, then use one of the more custom ROMS like lithium, or Supercharged, etc.
If you use a debloated ROM, then you can always flash the fxz back before any updates come out, we tend to start screaming pretty load on here when updates start to arrive as you may have already seen this week with the ICS leaks.
P.S. It is VERY hard to hardbrick this phone, it took me killing the signature on the kernel to get my first hardbrick, and I have 3 more hardbricks. I have the warranty through att, so I never worry about things like that, since I am a dev and take my phones life into my own hands.... You can softbrick (bootloop), but that is an easy fix with the FXZ (lifesaver). So not too much to worry about hurting your phone with flashing...
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LOL, I was laughing so hard when XDA crashed last night. I was sure we caused it with our ICS Freak out!!!!
lkrasner said:
LOL, I was laughing so hard when XDA crashed last night. I was sure we caused it with our ICS Freak out!!!!
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I though the same thing, and I was kind of glad it did crash though, so that I could find that article with the interview of cyanogen that was posted on the XDA-dev home page.
AscottW, I am like you -I read and researched and forum'd my evening/early morning hours away with regards to the whole rooting and flashing and so on. I have never done such things with a phone before, but being fairly computer savvy myself felt like after several hard weeks learning as much as I could, flashed MY first ROM. (Did a little happy dance myself when I saw the custom boot animation for the first time, think I even let out a little school boy squeal as well! -Glad no one was around to hear that)
Still reading and researching and forum'ing at every free moment I have (girlfriend and kids think my laptop has become permanently attached to my, well... lap!) and am really interested in possibly getting myself to a point where I can be of some usefulness in the dev world.
Admittedly, after flashing for the first time, I got foolish with CWM and did basically what seemed like deleting the system partition and told the Android OS to get lost. Big mistake. Got stuck in a crazy splash screen loop and wouldn't load Android OS for the life of me. That said, with the help of the good people here on this forum, I was able to be walked through a AP Fastboot FXZ file fix, updated back to 2.3.6, and started over -making damn sure I knew what I was doing before doing ANYTHING! lol
Feel like: "I just had sex"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o
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Feel like: "I just had sex"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o
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lol @ this!
Not looking for a Who's Better war here. Just wondering if getting a custom ROM onto an HTC phone is really as hard as some Samsung people make it sound.
Getting an upgrade in mid-January, trying to survive by my stupid ass Samsung Infuse 4g until then, which is gradually falling apart. I was looking into either the Note II or HTC One X+. I like the unibodyness of the 1X because I have a habit of dropping everything I pick up, but I like removable battery, microSD, and SAMOLED+ screen of the Note II.
It's kind of down to will the process of getting and changing ROMs on an HTC piss me off even more than Samsung(I'd have to use odin to return to stock every other time I flashed a ROM because it would mess something up)?
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Once you are rooted and have an unlocked bootloader flashing roms is pretty simple on the one x. Im a noob and haven't had issues flashing different roms.
You wouldn't have to use Odin every other time. Samsung is pretty simple.
After having an HTC, I wouldn't say it was really all that much trouble. The only thing is s-off or not making the difference. IIRC, it made kernel flashing a pain not having s-off at the beginning.
Neither of them is a bad choice IMHO if you are a flashaholic.
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If it was 2 years ago I woukd say HTC all the way but right now samsung
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Well with the one x + since HTC only let's you unlock the bl and that program doesn't allow you to install custom kernels.... So on the one x+ you'd have to fast boot flash the boot IMG every time you flash a Rom ... Until s-off that's how it wil be on most new HTC devices
There are a few extra steps to unlock the bootloader on HTC devices. Plus if you are on AT&T, you currently have to temp root and get SuperCID in order to unlock the bootloader.
And as also mentioned on the 1.14 hboot (which comes with the newest 2.20 AT&T firmware) you have to flash boot.img separately using fastboot.
But its my personal belief that anyone that wants to flash custom ROMs on phones should have some level of knowledge and skill in order to do so, or they shouldn't be messing with such things to begin with. None of these things are that hard if you do a bit of research beforehand, and follow instructions properly. Some people seem to make things out as harder than they really are.
Bottom line: if you really want a custom ROM on either brand phone, its really not difficult, and you shouldn't let a couple extra steps here and there deter you.
TheNetwork said:
Not looking for a Who's Better war here. Just wondering if getting a custom ROM onto an HTC phone is really as hard as some Samsung people make it sound.
Getting an upgrade in mid-January, trying to survive by my stupid ass Samsung Infuse 4g until then, which is gradually falling apart. I was looking into either the Note II or HTC One X+. I like the unibodyness of the 1X because I have a habit of dropping everything I pick up, but I like removable battery, microSD, and SAMOLED+ screen of the Note II.
It's kind of down to will the process of getting and changing ROMs on an HTC piss me off even more than Samsung(I'd have to use odin to return to stock every other time I flashed a ROM because it would mess something up)?
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I have both the HOX (Not the HOX+) and the Note 2. I do have to admit that rooting the N2 with Odin was super easy. Having said that, I will have to echo what redpoint said before. If anyone has any business looking to root, flash or modify their phone in any way, they should put the effort into using ADB, the Android SDK and potentially HTCDev (if on a HTC device). IMO, dumbing things down too much results in way too many bricks and leads to "how do I unbrick my phone" or "I flashed a Vzn ROM on a AT&T phone and now I'm stuck" threads.
In terms of specs, my HOX beats the N2 in almost all day-to-day aspects. Screen is sharper and more true to colour, camera sensor on the N2 makes things look washed out and yellow; whereas the sensor on the HOX is more true to what you would see with your own eyes. Sure the battery and SD card are a bonus, and trust me, I wish the HOX had those, but we have OTG now and it effectively boosts the capacity of the phone. Touchwiz has gotten better but Sense just looks more refined, especially with Sense 4 and above, not as laggy as Sense 3.5 and below and doesn't take as much resources.
So really, if you want to learn a thing or two about the flashing and modding community, take the HOX+ as it will force you to learn and make you a better person on XDA. If you just want a phone that makes it easy to flash things, take the N2.
I'll agree with the comments above. You need to know/learn certain things to root and rom the One X, but those are things you really need to know anyway.
Personally, I wish there were fewer "one-click" and "all-in-one" toolkits floating around because they make it much easier for people to get in over their heads.
One-click or manual, you should never be doing anything to your phone unless you understand what you're changing and how to undo it if necessary. There are few things that annoy me more than "How do I go back to stock?" threads. If you don't know that when you start you shouldn't be rooting.
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Personally, I wish there were fewer "one-click" and "all-in-one" toolkits floating around because they make it much easier for people to get in over their heads.
One-click or manual, you should never be doing anything to your phone unless you understand what you're changing and how to undo it if necessary.
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Very much agree. The OP isn't asking for any one-click solutions in particular. But far too many times, I've seen people on here begging for one-click solutions, instructional videos, etc. when the means already exist and are not at all difficult. Seeking such things usually indicates a lack of desire to research and do any actual learning. One clicks are convenient. But if you absolutely need them, you probably shouldn't be rooting or flashing to begin with.
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I have both the HOX (Not the HOX+) and the Note 2. I do have to admit that rooting the N2 with Odin was super easy. Having said that, I will have to echo what redpoint said before. If anyone has any business looking to root, flash or modify their phone in any way, they should put the effort into using ADB, the Android SDK and potentially HTCDev (if on a HTC device). IMO, dumbing things down too much results in way too many bricks and leads to "how do I unbrick my phone" or "I flashed a Vzn ROM on a AT&T phone and now I'm stuck" threads.
In terms of specs, my HOX beats the N2 in almost all day-to-day aspects. Screen is sharper and more true to colour, camera sensor on the N2 makes things look washed out and yellow; whereas the sensor on the HOX is more true to what you would see with your own eyes. Sure the battery and SD card are a bonus, and trust me, I wish the HOX had those, but we have OTG now and it effectively boosts the capacity of the phone. Touchwiz has gotten better but Sense just looks more refined, especially with Sense 4 and above, not as laggy as Sense 3.5 and below and doesn't take as much resources.
So really, if you want to learn a thing or two about the flashing and modding community, take the HOX+ as it will force you to learn and make you a better person on XDA. If you just want a phone that makes it easy to flash things, take the N2.
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I had to do a **** ton to get my Kindle Fire rooted. I had to download the android SDK, make a windows XP virtual machine, type out hundreds of things into a command prompt, mostly because it didn't work the first 11 times. Then I had to download more stuff and run more commands to get the FFF kernel on it (to keep it from killing itself). Is it going to be harder than that? (also had to do that to my infuse when I accidentally put unrooted GB on it, since oneclick doesn't work for GB sometimes)
Also a couple years ago my Gtablet wasn't being very nice. I figured it out, almost bricked it, and managed to return it to stock well enough that they accepted a return when the charging port farted out.
How long does it usually take to get/make/whatever S-Off?
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I had to do a **** ton to get my Kindle Fire rooted. I had to download the android SDK, make a windows XP virtual machine, type out hundreds of things into a command prompt, mostly because it didn't work the first 11 times. Then I had to download more stuff and run more commands to get the FFF kernel on it (to keep it from killing itself). Is it going to be harder than that? (also had to do that to my infuse when I accidentally put unrooted GB on it, since oneclick doesn't work for GB sometimes)
Also a couple years ago my Gtablet wasn't being very nice. I figured it out, almost bricked it, and managed to return it to stock well enough that they accepted a return when the charging port farted out.
How long does it usually take to get/make/whatever S-Off?
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I don't remember having so much issue with my fire. S-off depends on quite a bit. Some phones have only taken a few weeks, but the rezound took months along with vivid and raider. Hboot updates can affect this as well if htc discovers holes first. It's a toss up.
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Sooo Note II?
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Sooo Note II?
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Play with the phones stock. See what floats your boat. I went with s3 instead of either Note 2 or One x+. Just the right size and screen is well enough along with battery. Sense is heavier than touchwiz. Keep that in mind when thinking skin features if you stay with stock based ROMs. AOSP was my thing coming from Nexus.
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Play with the phones stock. See what floats your boat. I went with s3 instead of either Note 2 or One x+. Just the right size and screen is well enough along with battery. Sense is heavier than touchwiz. Keep that in mind when thinking skin features if you stay with stock based ROMs. AOSP was my thing coming from Nexus.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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Most att stores have phones set up to play with as well as bestbuy.
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TheNetwork said:
How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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Actually, all AT&T stores should have sample phones to play with. Otherwise, go to another store or Best Buy or Wal-Mart to get an idea.
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Actually, all AT&T stores should have sample phones to play with. Otherwise, go to another store or Best Buy or Wal-Mart to get an idea.
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And the reps all have AT&T phones as well, odds are they have different ones you can look at
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Went to the att store. No matter how many times I see the note ii it feels big as f**k. They both seem pretty nice to me. Tried an siii just cuz and it was noticeably choppier with half the cpu. The note ii might have been a very tiny bit laggier but that's just tw.
Both good...
Might go with the one x+ just because of 64gb and better build quality slightly.
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HTC makes better hardware with useful features. Samsung builds device with features that make you say WOW, but many aren't that useful.