Not looking for a Who's Better war here. Just wondering if getting a custom ROM onto an HTC phone is really as hard as some Samsung people make it sound.
Getting an upgrade in mid-January, trying to survive by my stupid ass Samsung Infuse 4g until then, which is gradually falling apart. I was looking into either the Note II or HTC One X+. I like the unibodyness of the 1X because I have a habit of dropping everything I pick up, but I like removable battery, microSD, and SAMOLED+ screen of the Note II.
It's kind of down to will the process of getting and changing ROMs on an HTC piss me off even more than Samsung(I'd have to use odin to return to stock every other time I flashed a ROM because it would mess something up)?
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Once you are rooted and have an unlocked bootloader flashing roms is pretty simple on the one x. Im a noob and haven't had issues flashing different roms.
You wouldn't have to use Odin every other time. Samsung is pretty simple.
After having an HTC, I wouldn't say it was really all that much trouble. The only thing is s-off or not making the difference. IIRC, it made kernel flashing a pain not having s-off at the beginning.
Neither of them is a bad choice IMHO if you are a flashaholic.
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If it was 2 years ago I woukd say HTC all the way but right now samsung
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Well with the one x + since HTC only let's you unlock the bl and that program doesn't allow you to install custom kernels.... So on the one x+ you'd have to fast boot flash the boot IMG every time you flash a Rom ... Until s-off that's how it wil be on most new HTC devices
There are a few extra steps to unlock the bootloader on HTC devices. Plus if you are on AT&T, you currently have to temp root and get SuperCID in order to unlock the bootloader.
And as also mentioned on the 1.14 hboot (which comes with the newest 2.20 AT&T firmware) you have to flash boot.img separately using fastboot.
But its my personal belief that anyone that wants to flash custom ROMs on phones should have some level of knowledge and skill in order to do so, or they shouldn't be messing with such things to begin with. None of these things are that hard if you do a bit of research beforehand, and follow instructions properly. Some people seem to make things out as harder than they really are.
Bottom line: if you really want a custom ROM on either brand phone, its really not difficult, and you shouldn't let a couple extra steps here and there deter you.
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Not looking for a Who's Better war here. Just wondering if getting a custom ROM onto an HTC phone is really as hard as some Samsung people make it sound.
Getting an upgrade in mid-January, trying to survive by my stupid ass Samsung Infuse 4g until then, which is gradually falling apart. I was looking into either the Note II or HTC One X+. I like the unibodyness of the 1X because I have a habit of dropping everything I pick up, but I like removable battery, microSD, and SAMOLED+ screen of the Note II.
It's kind of down to will the process of getting and changing ROMs on an HTC piss me off even more than Samsung(I'd have to use odin to return to stock every other time I flashed a ROM because it would mess something up)?
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I have both the HOX (Not the HOX+) and the Note 2. I do have to admit that rooting the N2 with Odin was super easy. Having said that, I will have to echo what redpoint said before. If anyone has any business looking to root, flash or modify their phone in any way, they should put the effort into using ADB, the Android SDK and potentially HTCDev (if on a HTC device). IMO, dumbing things down too much results in way too many bricks and leads to "how do I unbrick my phone" or "I flashed a Vzn ROM on a AT&T phone and now I'm stuck" threads.
In terms of specs, my HOX beats the N2 in almost all day-to-day aspects. Screen is sharper and more true to colour, camera sensor on the N2 makes things look washed out and yellow; whereas the sensor on the HOX is more true to what you would see with your own eyes. Sure the battery and SD card are a bonus, and trust me, I wish the HOX had those, but we have OTG now and it effectively boosts the capacity of the phone. Touchwiz has gotten better but Sense just looks more refined, especially with Sense 4 and above, not as laggy as Sense 3.5 and below and doesn't take as much resources.
So really, if you want to learn a thing or two about the flashing and modding community, take the HOX+ as it will force you to learn and make you a better person on XDA. If you just want a phone that makes it easy to flash things, take the N2.
I'll agree with the comments above. You need to know/learn certain things to root and rom the One X, but those are things you really need to know anyway.
Personally, I wish there were fewer "one-click" and "all-in-one" toolkits floating around because they make it much easier for people to get in over their heads.
One-click or manual, you should never be doing anything to your phone unless you understand what you're changing and how to undo it if necessary. There are few things that annoy me more than "How do I go back to stock?" threads. If you don't know that when you start you shouldn't be rooting.
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Personally, I wish there were fewer "one-click" and "all-in-one" toolkits floating around because they make it much easier for people to get in over their heads.
One-click or manual, you should never be doing anything to your phone unless you understand what you're changing and how to undo it if necessary.
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Very much agree. The OP isn't asking for any one-click solutions in particular. But far too many times, I've seen people on here begging for one-click solutions, instructional videos, etc. when the means already exist and are not at all difficult. Seeking such things usually indicates a lack of desire to research and do any actual learning. One clicks are convenient. But if you absolutely need them, you probably shouldn't be rooting or flashing to begin with.
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I have both the HOX (Not the HOX+) and the Note 2. I do have to admit that rooting the N2 with Odin was super easy. Having said that, I will have to echo what redpoint said before. If anyone has any business looking to root, flash or modify their phone in any way, they should put the effort into using ADB, the Android SDK and potentially HTCDev (if on a HTC device). IMO, dumbing things down too much results in way too many bricks and leads to "how do I unbrick my phone" or "I flashed a Vzn ROM on a AT&T phone and now I'm stuck" threads.
In terms of specs, my HOX beats the N2 in almost all day-to-day aspects. Screen is sharper and more true to colour, camera sensor on the N2 makes things look washed out and yellow; whereas the sensor on the HOX is more true to what you would see with your own eyes. Sure the battery and SD card are a bonus, and trust me, I wish the HOX had those, but we have OTG now and it effectively boosts the capacity of the phone. Touchwiz has gotten better but Sense just looks more refined, especially with Sense 4 and above, not as laggy as Sense 3.5 and below and doesn't take as much resources.
So really, if you want to learn a thing or two about the flashing and modding community, take the HOX+ as it will force you to learn and make you a better person on XDA. If you just want a phone that makes it easy to flash things, take the N2.
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I had to do a **** ton to get my Kindle Fire rooted. I had to download the android SDK, make a windows XP virtual machine, type out hundreds of things into a command prompt, mostly because it didn't work the first 11 times. Then I had to download more stuff and run more commands to get the FFF kernel on it (to keep it from killing itself). Is it going to be harder than that? (also had to do that to my infuse when I accidentally put unrooted GB on it, since oneclick doesn't work for GB sometimes)
Also a couple years ago my Gtablet wasn't being very nice. I figured it out, almost bricked it, and managed to return it to stock well enough that they accepted a return when the charging port farted out.
How long does it usually take to get/make/whatever S-Off?
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I had to do a **** ton to get my Kindle Fire rooted. I had to download the android SDK, make a windows XP virtual machine, type out hundreds of things into a command prompt, mostly because it didn't work the first 11 times. Then I had to download more stuff and run more commands to get the FFF kernel on it (to keep it from killing itself). Is it going to be harder than that? (also had to do that to my infuse when I accidentally put unrooted GB on it, since oneclick doesn't work for GB sometimes)
Also a couple years ago my Gtablet wasn't being very nice. I figured it out, almost bricked it, and managed to return it to stock well enough that they accepted a return when the charging port farted out.
How long does it usually take to get/make/whatever S-Off?
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I don't remember having so much issue with my fire. S-off depends on quite a bit. Some phones have only taken a few weeks, but the rezound took months along with vivid and raider. Hboot updates can affect this as well if htc discovers holes first. It's a toss up.
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Sooo Note II?
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Sooo Note II?
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Play with the phones stock. See what floats your boat. I went with s3 instead of either Note 2 or One x+. Just the right size and screen is well enough along with battery. Sense is heavier than touchwiz. Keep that in mind when thinking skin features if you stay with stock based ROMs. AOSP was my thing coming from Nexus.
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Play with the phones stock. See what floats your boat. I went with s3 instead of either Note 2 or One x+. Just the right size and screen is well enough along with battery. Sense is heavier than touchwiz. Keep that in mind when thinking skin features if you stay with stock based ROMs. AOSP was my thing coming from Nexus.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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Most att stores have phones set up to play with as well as bestbuy.
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How am I supposed to play with them stock? No one I know has either, and the AT&T store isn't going to take out 2 brand new phones and give them to me to play with.
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Actually, all AT&T stores should have sample phones to play with. Otherwise, go to another store or Best Buy or Wal-Mart to get an idea.
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Actually, all AT&T stores should have sample phones to play with. Otherwise, go to another store or Best Buy or Wal-Mart to get an idea.
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And the reps all have AT&T phones as well, odds are they have different ones you can look at
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Went to the att store. No matter how many times I see the note ii it feels big as f**k. They both seem pretty nice to me. Tried an siii just cuz and it was noticeably choppier with half the cpu. The note ii might have been a very tiny bit laggier but that's just tw.
Both good...
Might go with the one x+ just because of 64gb and better build quality slightly.
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HTC makes better hardware with useful features. Samsung builds device with features that make you say WOW, but many aren't that useful.
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Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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The biggest advantage of rooting my phone is to get rid of all that bloatware crap, block ads and get better battery life. I just got a replacement and had to be on stock for a day before I got a chance to root again. Battery life was horrible with stock. In addition, I personally dont overclock since the phone is running smooth with these roms.
Why root? For me the answer was easy "because I can". I like the fact that I can mod my phone and remove things from it I don't like. Stock is fine and if that is what floats your boat that's cool. It's the same reason you jailbroke you iphone, so it's there when you need it.
Easy response. Free wifi tethering.
For me the biggest reason was for wifi tethering. Blows my mind I would have to pay an additional $30 for tethering ... and that is only for 2GB. It's rare that I use it, but it's nice to have the option.
Other reasons were to either freeze or uninstall apps you can't normally uninstall. I've tried a few roms, but really like sense. So currently running BAMF 1.0.7
If you felt no need to root, then you tried the wrong ROMs or missed doing the useful things that come with it.
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Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.
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I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.
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djthunda12123 said:
Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box)
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How could you have had your TB for "about a year"? It came out barely 7 months ago.
That hyperbole aside, the reason I rooted my TB (which I did when I got mine back in March) was so that I could take control of my device. Since smartphones are really little computers I want full control of it. I wouldn't stand for not having administrator privileges on any of my other computers, why would I stand for it on my phone? That wouldn't fly if I bought a Dell laptop that was locked down because Dell thought that it would provide a more consistent user experience and it won't fly for me from HTC or Verizon.
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I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.
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Well I didn't mean for it to be emotional, I just simply wanted to know the things I can now get out of my phone. Any ROM recommendatons?
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Well I didn't mean for it to be emotional, I just simply wanted to know the things I can now get out of my phone. Any ROM recommendatons?
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Whether it's immediately obvious or not, many of these ROMs are extensively modified. BAMF, Gingeritis, and Synergy, just to name a few that are significantly divergent from stock. Some are little more than stock dressed up pretty. Basically, it boils down to what you want or like. I simply don't recommend ROMs because most of the people that do are idiots follow what they think is a cool trend.
Some people have no real need to root a device. You might be one of them. I'm not. I like playing with different ROMs, kernels, apps that require root, and scripts. It also blocks out XDA's uber-annoying video ads. Everyone has their own reasons and some do it just to be cool, it seems.
People here has obviously touch on most of the benefits of rooting. From debloating to free wifi tether to better battery life. This is all true and also why I rooted, but one of the coolest things for me is being able to flash a rom that allows you to be on a version of android or a UI maybe not available on your device yet. Take for example the TB, it is not suppose to ever get sense 3.0 and months before gingerbread was even release i was on gingerbread and running sense 3.0. Heck you can run sense 3.5 now if you want. So to me, being able to be "ahead of the curve" and run software on your phone that is not even out yet for your device is pretty bad a$$.
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Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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loonatik78 said:
Whether it's immediately obvious or not, many of these ROMs are extensively modified. BAMF, Gingeritis, and Synergy, just to name a few that are significantly divergent from stock. Some are little more than stock dressed up pretty. Basically, it boils down to what you want or like. I simply don't recommend ROMs because most of the people that do are idiots follow what they think is a cool trend.
Some people have no real need to root a device. You might be one of them. I'm not. I like playing with different ROMs, kernels, apps that require root, and scripts. It also blocks out XDA's uber-annoying video ads. Everyone has their own reasons and some do it just to be cool, it seems.
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Quoted both of you because I wanted to reply to both of you. First loonatik. Totally agree. Those three are the most popular and I agree with I don't recommend ROMS because im simply not that picky about the major three that for the most part are about as supermodded as you can get. And many of the mods work on all three sense ROMs. So use what ya like.
As for the OP. If you are having trouble installing themes on whichever ROM you're using post on the thread that those roms come on and there will be several people who can help you get it to work right. (yea there are some douche bags on here but for the msot part people will help). The best reasons I have for rooting and keeping my phone rooted are free wifi tethering mainly and also because like another poster said. If you bought a computer and they told you you had to keep all the crapware they send with it and couldnt uninstall it and that you could only use it a certain way then you would surely get a different computer or you would figure out a way to get around it. I like my car but i don't like my stock stereo that came with it. So i changed it. Should that void the warranty on my car? no but HTC and Verizon think it should. Im not ok with that. If you aren't happy with your rooted phone then you can unroot it and use it as stock for a little while just to see the difference. If it makes no difference to you then keep it unrooted but I think you'll probably see that there is a performance difference and a difference in battery life at least.
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Easy response. Free wifi tethering.
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Just curious, what app do you guys use?
Synergyrom is by far the best ROM I've put on my tbolt imo, ...tried em all for bout a week each, but I've stuck w synergy in the end....silky smooth...great kernel...great debt support...and best of all..great batt life....with the extended battery, I can go 50+ hours on one charge with moderate use....heavy use I can still get 30-35 hours no sweat... ..all phones are different though...just try em all and c what your phone prefers...
I must be stupid, because I am going to recommend BAMF soab, it's a 3.5 ROM that is relatively fast, and I love all the new features. To each their own though.
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Synergyrom is by far the best ROM I've put on my tbolt imo, ...tried em all for bout a week each, but I've stuck w synergy in the end....silky smooth...great kernel...great debt support...and best of all..great batt life....with the extended battery, I can go 50+ hours on one charge with moderate use....heavy use I can still get 30-35 hours no sweat... ..all phones are different though...just try em all and c what your phone prefers...
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I'm gonna take you to task on that. First off, the kernel in that ROM makes the entire ROM warez. Ziggy's work is illegal as hell and a blight to the Android/Linux community. Ziggy's kernels have also proven the worst performers as compared to Imoseyon's and Dreamkernel after repeated tests on the same ROMs. Not to mention his kernels have some serious lag issues no other kernel does. Frankly, I think the stock HTC 2.11.605.3 kernel is faster and smoother.
I am going to have to agree with every single person here. Also, I will be the first to admit it. I do feel cool when I get to reROM my phone and show it off to my friends with stock Android phones. Especially when they cry about not having some of the options available to those of us who ROM. Don't get me wrong I know it does not make me cool to ROM. I just feel cool. But in all actuality, the DEV's are the true cool ones. But, sadly some of my friends don't want to "risk bricking or losing there warranties". But, to each there own. I even have a friend with an iPhone. He loves it, it does exactly what he needs it to do un jailbroken.
The one thing that has been elusive to me though, is a good battery life. I am a fan of BAMF. And am running SoaB at the moment. As a matter of fact currently I can not get Callrecorder to work properly on this ROM. Call recording has been my savings grace so many times. Especially when I had to dispute a bill with VZW them selves. And frankly getting the person on the phone to refund what is owed back to me.is a pain in the rear some times. But, it gets done and recorded. Then, when my next bill rolls around and it has not been properly taken care of, I would call back again and have them read the notes back to me from my previous dispute. And if they say that there are no notes. I let them know that I am recording them and that I have the recording to my last dispute. That changes how the whole ball game is played. So for me, call recording is a must. But everything else every one else stated holds just as true for me also. Any way, good luck in the search for that holy grail of a ROM. I have to go. My phone is dying again for the second time today. Time to link up to the grid again.
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CM7. Solid as a fort and fast as hell.
Even thought I got my Stratosphere, it will be an eon (or two, if ever) that I'll see any development for it, so I kept my Thunderbolt around to fill that void.
Actully 4G phones have unlimited hotspot on Verizon, it's the 30$ plan. There isn't a cap at all, so not sure where you get the 2 gig cap on tethering.
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Honestly, the A2 has great performance, it is not top of the line, but it is certainly pretty high end. It has a decent feel overall, but still know one knows about it. Why is this?!!? I'm not even talking strictly from a development standpoint, as it is just so unheard of. everyone knows about the whole droid line and such, but our great phone is completely neglected. There is no way i'm the only one that is bothered by this, especially because there is so much potential in our phone. I know the locked bootloader, makes things difficult, but a way around that is near, so do y'all think development will take off once we get it bypassed or unlocked? Thanks for listening to my rant and feel free to give your own opinion
Motorola or Att did not push this phone like they did with the original Atrix. Most people are going with samsung (sgs2 or the note). That is why we do not have very many devs. Samsung phone are much easier to work with. I know because i have one. If no one else decides to get this phone that's fine with me. I like the phone as is. Im also happy with the few devs we have. Their work is greatly appreciated.
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Once cm9 or a form of ics gets calling and texting going then things will start to kick off. Right now with our limited amount of knowledgeable devs some have lost interest and are just sitting by waiting for Motorola to release ics.
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you aren't the only one. It pisses me off. I always have service on this phone, for the most part it's fast and smooth, and the ROM support is becoming awesome. Yet still people don't know the name of my phone , they just know it's "big"
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Once cm9 or a form of ics gets calling and texting going then things will start to kick off. Right now with our limited amount of knowledgeable devs some have lost interest and are just sitting by waiting for Motorola to release ics.
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Actually, one of the orignal devs for this phone (been on it since it came out) has not lost interest but is working on kexec for our phone which is BY FAR more important than ICS... The possibilities are endless once we have a bootloader bypass.
Motorola did not advertise or really let ANYONE know that the phone was being released. For example, when I walked into the AT&T store with a $100 and a contract renewal, I just browsed/tried all of the phones they had in stock, and happend to like the feature set/performance of the Atrix 2 the best. The funny part is that I had NO idea that the phone actually came out the day before and was just put on display. Luckily the phone is great and the community to go along with it is even greater.
Honestly I'm on Supercharged right now, clocked around 1.25 GHz, and I can go higher, but my battery life sucks. I don't really care about the attention. We're getting ICS, and I'm hoping I don't have a good enough excuse to go back to stock until ICS is out. Then I'm going back to stock for sure. The speed is great, the lagginess and bloat on the stock rom just sucked, but so does my battery life now. It doesn't really take a whole lot to trim down a stock rom, I'm sure someone will do it for ICS if I don't myself.
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Honestly I'm on Supercharged right now, clocked around 1.25 GHz, and I can go higher, but my battery life sucks. I don't really care about the attention. We're getting ICS, and I'm hoping I don't have a good enough excuse to go back to stock until ICS is out. Then I'm going back to stock for sure. The speed is great, the lagginess and bloat on the stock rom just sucked, but so does my battery life now. It doesn't really take a whole lot to trim down a stock rom, I'm sure someone will do it for ICS if I don't myself.
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Freezing apps does wonders for performance + battery life. I use Titanium Backup for this. All the "junk apps" that Motorola/AT&T installed (that I don't use) get frozen.
The End.
Some of our roms are great, but there are only 4 or 5 or something, it would be nice to see some of the big ones like cm7. hopefully an unlocked BL and ICS will spark some serious development. I think the biggest problem is the lack of serious developers. Who do we really have? Jimbridgman, lfabor06, and Rdavisct are the only ones I can really think of off the top of my head. We all play a role, but only the true genius' like them do a lot of good towards roms and things
To buy an Atrix 2, I had to special order it from Amazon. The local places didn't sell it because it didn't work with LTE in the area, and were mainly pushing iStuff.
Motorola needs to wake up and start tooting their own horn. The Atrix 2 has been an excellent phone, both in the reception department (better voice and call quality than my HTC and iPhone), CPU department, and in general usage.
Plus, there is an untapped market for these types of phones -- business people who just need a basic laptop where all their data is stored securely at one place, either on the phone with the on device encryption (or SD encryption), or using a Citrix receiver.
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Actually, one of the orignal devs for this phone (been on it since it came out) has not lost interest but is working on kexec for our phone which is BY FAR more important than ICS... The possibilities are endless once we have a bootloader bypass.
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This really is the truth of the matter. Until we can load custom kernels on the A2, the devs are kinda limited on what they can modify. ICS with a locked bootloader is not much better than GB with a locked bootloader.
My wife has a Samsung Galaxy and the A2 is better in almost every area; reception, interface, speaker...
I've had an OptT for about a year now and well a biddy of mine is selling me a sgs...I'm not exactly new to the whole rooting and custom roms ordeal but I am new to this forum...I've seen quite a few good looking roms in the dev section (things I can't wait to try out) . I've taken a quick look thru the stickies so I hope no one feels as if I'm completely new to android considering I've done development for the G1 back in 2008-2010...anyways what all do I need in order to get the sgs4g rooted and enjoying these roms? Has anyone used gingerbreak to root there sgs4g or is everyone using one click? I haven't taken a look at gsmarena for the exact specs of the phone but I'm assuming its an armv7 because I'm coming from an armv6 device. Also the LG OptT does have a few good ICSs roms even an unofficial build of jellybean but since the device runs an armv6 processor we are missing omx forecast. Is the sgs4g missing anything? That's about all I can think of right now bit ill be scanning this forum and I hope to hear some good feedback b4 I decide to buy my buddies phone
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Use "Auto" in SuperOneClick. If it ever freezes up DO NOT TOUCH! Little Zerglings are rushing inside your phone to root it.
We also have ICS and we have an upcoming major ICS update which will fix allot of issues pertaining things such as battery life.
As it is easy to hack the SGS4G it is also easy to brick, so read instructions. If you don't understand anything, read the forums, search, find out more and if you do find out your answer maybe you'll find more things than you actually need which is good. Do not ask a question unless you are sure of it. LG is different from Samsung so don't assume that because they're both android doesn't mean they're the same thing.
And also welcome to the SGS4G forums*
I took a look at gmsarena and I saw the specs..only 512mb ram with 1gb internal storage,I figured it was alittle more than that but switching from my current phone to the sgs4g is an upgrade..I have prepaid by the way,I'm guessing theres no difference....I appreciate the quick response though....
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This phone is not exactly brickable..
Its one of the most durable phones on the market actually.
Its easy to "soft brick" but that's easily recoverable as well
Ha! This phone is as good as the newer phones. But with lower specs.
I might get the new Galaxy Nexus for the newest official Google updates. If bhundven releases the majorly updated ICS, I might keep my SGS4G for a few weeks to taste the new ICS flavor and after I get bored with it, I might sell it, either in stock form or a custom ROM.
are you sure it's the Samsung galaxy s 4g t959v?
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That's great because its easy as hell to brick the LG optimus T..I bricked 2 of em...we have basebands that improve signal ie..v10 for early froyo builds and v20 series for GB and up.one thing I've noticed is there doesn't seem to be any official cm7 builds but I haven't explored every thread in the forum either (kinda hard to do on just my phone alone). Than again I don't have a computer either...I took a look at the wiki page and its full of information that is somewhat overwhelming considering its easy as hell to root my current device back in the day rooting phones was a bit more tedious but now people have created applications for that sorta thing? Another question,I've seen the phone has the option for TV out bit I've seen quite a few remarks on ICS development threads that TV out isn't working. For my current phone,development is slow considering we are on an outdated processor (armv6)...I just wanna make sure that my new phone (sgs4g) hasn't seen any slowed progress in development because I would like to start developing again...hearing about ODIN isn't my first trail,I e just never used it....currently I'm on popdog123's oxygen gb rom,I was using an ICS rom but true development for ICS on the LG Optimus T is slowly coming to a halt and were starting to see alot more themed gingerbread roms. Were also missing omx codecs for HD video playback. Its an adreno220 so for a while we never thought we would have ICS..Panorama doesn't work for LG Optimus T on ICS roms atleaat not entirely and considering it has low memory,performance does lag..I'm an advanced user with LG but completely new to Samsung devices,LG is ****ty so I'm hoping there are no barriers with the phone im about to purchase,eventually I'd like to settle for a more advanced phone but the sgs4g is a huge update considering I've never had a phone with more than 600mhtz processor either. If all of this is in any speculation of moronic,please feel free to to close thread but I have a good feeling that I've placed it in the right forum,just trying to get some good info b4 I dish out hard earned money on a slightly better phone...any suggestions on where to begin (from others other than the user who replied first,please tell me)
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First you have to have access to a computer to root this thing.
We have unofficial cm7 & cm9 and
ATM we do not have TV out working on ics builds.
We have 2 one-click programs that work well for this device.
1- gremlin remover (the one i use which is an oden program)
2-heimdall one-click (never used it personally)
Both programs are also used to bring you back to stock rooted state if and when you soft brick your device.
So there's no way I can root the phone unless I had a computer with two programs you speak of? I was under the assumption that I could use superoneclick or gingerbreak to root
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So there's no way I can root the phone unless I had a computer with two programs you speak of? I was under the assumption that I could use superoneclick or gingerbreak to root
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You still need a computer for super one click. But it is much easier to flash a custom kernel and recovery via heimdall one clicks. With SoC it takes about 10-15 minutes, with a heimdall one click its a matter of 5 minutes if you are already on Gingerbread. If not then its about 15 mintues.
That's odd, not that I don't believe you but I never used a computer to root a phone with super one click, maybe that's because I have a LG phone...I did use super one click once and gingerbreak twice
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Unfortunately thereseems to be no way out without a computer
Also you don't need both programs I mentioned.....just one or the other
Ugh.....well maybe I can attempt to use my sisters computer....who knows.....so is there an updated thread with rooting instructions because after viewing the wiki page there just seems to be so many different ways of rooting bit all of em are a year old or older...
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My prefered choice is to go to the dev thread and dl gremlin remover extract it and follow just the last instructions
TV Out does work on the Aries build.
OP: Look at the guide in the first link of my signature.
I have flashed custom roms to a crap ton of phones. I've gone from a Optimus V (same exact thing on a different network), all the way up to a galaxy s2 ( hercules) with, a G1, motorola backflip, motorola triumph, samsung vibrant, galaxy s 4g, lg g2x, samsung blaze, and an htc sensation and I'm sure I'm missing a few and I can say with %100 confidence the galaxy s 4g was the biggest pain in the A.
Going from the optimus to the 4g is a deceptively large jump. You're getting twice the processing power and a much better over all phone. The screen will make you weep with joy after using the optimus for so long.
I'd recommend using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1223765 right off the bat and then just immediately flashing from the recovery that that installs to an ics build.
I tried other methods and got stuck in a recovery loop that drove me crazy and then I found that link and it fixed all my problems and let me flash to cm9 right from it. When you flash cm9 it will update the recovery and then you have to flash it again right after a reboot.
I tossed Google Now on there and for all major appearances it acts a lot like JB. I think google now is the single major noticeable difference between ics and jb besides the saposed speed increases.
So in short, yes get the phone if you can get it for a good price. Then install ICS right away unless battery life is a huge deal breaker. If it is then there's some great GB builds, but I personally prefer the cm9 nightlies.
hi i am new on your among and i'm user of htc one x at&t v2.20.i have less information about costum and stock roms.i was surfing on forum and i saw this stock rom.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1838135&page=11
and i'm thinking install this my phone but i didn't find how can i setup.there should unlock bootloader for costum roms.is the same thing
must be for install stock rom.and what do you think about stock roms.should i prefer costum rom?
You can prefer whatever you personally like. Unfortunately you are currently stuck with what you've got until 2.20 is rooted and bl unlocked so you can flash away and find the rom that suits your needs best.
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Yea bro... Do a lot of research, BC it'll be a while before you can root and unlock :thumbdown:
But to add an opinion about your question, once you flash a new rom, you'll probably stick with it for a little while. Then see something else and try it. Then you'll get that blood taste in your mouth and become a flash a holic. Lol. There are some absolutely INCREDIBLE sense roms. Viperxl, cleanrom, team nocturnal are some of the few. But then you'll get tired of sense and try an aosp ROM and you'll love that. Its a weird process bro. I feel like I flash every 2-3 weeks, bouncing from jellybean to sense. Both are awesome.
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Honestly man, I am a serious flashaholic, and although in no way am I implying that stock is better in any fashion I will say that stock 2.20 has been a pleasure to be on. So much so that I have set aside ALL of my other toys and been using my One X full time. granted I am using Apex launcher only because it achieves a basic look I am used to, but that is it. I am actually really enjoying this, if nothing else EVERYTHING works. My battery hasnt been this good on any rom or any of my previous devices. I had 5 hours 48 minutes screen on time last night, sure I only talked on my phone about 2 minutes, and kept my screen brightness on 10%, but for me, that is still the most insane number I have EVER been able to put up and the phone was on 18% when I plugged it in.
I dont know if this phone will ever get rooted but it is not stopping me from using it, I have found cool apps that I would have never known even existed like Notification Toggle, I was getting pretty annoyed having to use a power control widget for my data and wifi, I NEED it to be in the dropdown, the app remedied that situation AND I can make it whatever color I want....HUGE bonus to me. I love Android, and like I said, it is not a replacement for roms, but its a fine substitution for now. The phone performs sweet so its not like I would need to overclock, undervolting, I have never liked the amount of BS you have to wade through to get it perfect, and battery has been fine for me anyway.
Sure a nice CLEAN CM rom, or even stripped stock, is nice but I am just going to enjoy using this thing for a while. Being a Sammy fanboy forever has given me the ability to flash a thousand roms, and although there is some things to be missed, I have no regrets about this phone. I personally dont have devices long enough to think like it is going to kill me to use it for a while. It looks beautiful, not a lot of people have them, so everywhere I go people are asking what phone I have....which....yeah, I think is cool, and everyone likes it.
Last, for me personally the phone has caused me to start peering into areas I have not even thought about in a long time, I have spent countless hours reading thread after thread for possible ways we can get this bootloader unlocked or even root this puppy. It has actually been nice spending time doing, what I joined XDA to learn about doing .
As mentioned, if you bought the phone with 2.20 (or OTA'ed to 2.20 before unlocking the bootloader or at least SuperCID) than you can't flash anything. You are stuck to official AT&T firmware.
The 2.29 stock firmware you linked is not much different from 2.20 AT&T stock, anyway. I think they are the same, actually, aside from AT&T's bloatware.
Coming from an Aria with CM7, the biggest things I want to fix on my One X with 2.20 is to ditch the bloat. This phone rocks very nicely even on the stock ROM, but it's like a car with enough power to do 200 mph limited to 155.
If there is any way a relative noob like myself can help with getting 2.20 rooted, I'm in, but I wouldn't know where to start at this point.
Hi,
Yes, I'm a noob but I'm a smart noob. I refuse to just "jump" in without having enough knowledge about what is necessary to properly modify my phone (AT&T HOX). I have looked up terms I was unfamiliar with etc and sat and waited patiently reading other people's issues. I like many come from Apple (thankfully I switched away) and jailbreaking was about as easy as it got. So here goes.....
1. I am really most interested (at the time being) in getting rid of the ridiculous apps these phones come plugged up with.
2. I already think the phone is fast (light years faster than any iPhone I owned), so what are some of your (members) opinions on WHY you want to flash a custom rom?
3. Do you have to put a new rom in or once it's rooted can I simply have it "stock" and have the freedom to delete apps that I don't want on the phone?
If I've offended anyone here I apologize. Searching for answers on the Internet sometimes is a joke. I did find this tool in the developer's section and I know I'd start here (already downloaded and looked it over) [TOOL] HTC One X (Evita) All-In-One Toolkit V1.1 [10-28-12] [PERM ROOT][Noob-Proof]
but I feel there is a bit more that I'm missing.
I don't want my hand held but rather to allay any fears of turning my phone into a relic, rather than a useful device. I'm about to graduate with a computer support degree, so some of this real heavy duty stuff isn't exactly taught to us students.
I'd appreciate any advice and help from you all and thanks for having a source filled with so many helpful individuals and information
Thanks in advance,
Jon
This is where you should start (my index thread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
1) Rooting will enable you to uninstall bloatware.
2) Reasons for flashing custom ROMs are many. Yes, the phone is very fast. But believe it or not, there are some that want to squeeze even more performance out of the device. Custom ROMs will often include tweaks to improve speed, but also memory management (multi-tasking). Some people like the vanilla (no Sense) look of AOSP ROMs. And also AOSP based ROMs feel more fluid in the launcher, as well as some apps run faster. Custom ROMs have some cool features that don't exist on stock: Extended Quick Settings, Advanced Power Menu, Paranoid Android settings, theming support and much more.
3) You can just unlock the bootloader and root without flashing a custom ROM. If you aren't too familiar with flashing custom ROMs, this may in fact be a good place to start. Become familiar with what root gives you, before flashing ROMs.
The all-in-one tool you mentioned is correct if your phone is on the 2.20 firmware. If it happens to be an earlier firmware, use the corresponding root method as indicated in my index.
2. It's like buying a new Dell or HP Laptop. It comes with tons of random crap pre-installed that you don't need. Sure, the computer might already be "fast", but you can always make it faster by uninstalling said apps. However, there are usually tons of them, and they're deeply embedded into the OS. Even if you go into add or remove programs and uninstall all of the apps that they have given you, there's usually still random crap installed... You might want to start fresh - I always do. So, when I buy a laptop the first thing I do is install windows manually and download the newest and updated drivers. Now the machine is fast. :good:
This is the same principle for your phone. This is why people want to install a custom ROM (like CleanROM) that doesn't include any of the carrier crap and is just a fresh, base install.
3. You could, if you really, really wanted keep the AT&T stock ROM on there... but there is no reason to. If you installed something like CleanROM it is already optimized, and you can select what stock carrier apps you want included during the installation. The defaults will leave you almost perfect though... This could be thought of as doing a fresh windows install to remove all that crap they embedded deep into the OS. There are no flashy lights, it is just a base ROM that's optimized for speed, performance, and stability.
So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
On stock vs. ROM:
I am stock/rooted on my Nexus 7 because it's already vanilla Android, and I haven't seen any need to soup it up.
Stock Sense, on the other hand, has a lot of annoying elements that HTC built into it for various reasons: patent disputes, branding, stability, etc. Most or all of this can and should be removed. One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it. Removing this limitation is easy. Another is the gimped multitasking that HTC set up to prioritize Sense over everything else. And since Sense is still bloated, this greatly limits multitasking. For the most part, CleanROM is Sense with all this unnecessary crap removed.
I was where you are back in May when I got this thing, and I'm happy as a clam on CleanROM.
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So.. there is no reason to use a stock ROM vs CleanROM.
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I've actually bounced around from CleanROM, ViperXL and other custom ROMs, as well as stock rooted ROMs. I've spent a good amount of time on Asian and Euro stock ROMs, with bloat frozen (in Titanium, not even removed), and the difference in performance (speed) between these and custom ROMs is negligible, if any. Maybe memory management is better on the custom ROMs, but its never been as much of a peeve to me, as others here.
While its true that the AT&T stock ROM has lots of bloat, and some things stupidly removed (FM radio, flashlight, WiFi tethering), but its really not bad. And the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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One example: You may be used to, in iOS, clicking on links and having apps open up. Stock sense won't do this because Apple sued HTC over it.
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Just AT&T stock has the HTCLinkify crap. Links work fine on stock ROMs for any other carrier, AFAIK.
It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
So in the tool for 2.20 firmware, twrp is in the data file already from the download? I had to go their site and read about what it was. I just don't want to start off on the wrong foot.
You've all been nice to me, even though I'm a flaming noob to unlocking/rooting. I figure to prevent myself from being stupid later, I should be smart now. Hahaha.
I greatly appreciate all the insight and advice so far.
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redpoint73 said:
IAnd the stock ROMs from Asia and Europe are quite good.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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Which is probably why Scott has based CleanROM off them.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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CleanROM is still on 2.29. There have been a lot of firmware versions since then. Germany and Asia are on 2.4x.
2.29 wasn't bad. But its basically the same as 2.20 stock, just without AT&T's meddling. I wish scrosler would use a newer base (as Turge and Xs have). But it seems his time is divided nowadays.
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He's stated that he's waiting for JB. But yeah, he's developing for about six devices now. We take what we can get.
ToxicWaste said:
It appears I should simply unlock and root. I like how some are saying do that too "get acquainted" with the process and the feel of moding. I believe that is what I'd like to do first.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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Its really up to you in the end. There is no right or wrong answer to "should I flash a custom ROM or not".
I personally spent some time stock rooted on my first Android device (Desire Z) before I became comfortable with what features I wanted in a ROM. So that's probably why I'm recommending to do the same.
The suggestion by others to try CleanROM is certainly not a bad idea, either. As mentioned, its mostly stock, but cleaned up. My point is simply, don't go flashing ROMs just because people tell you "you just gotta do it man". And flashing ROM is not for everyone, either. If you do it, you should do it because it fits your needs and wants. And it sounds like you need some time to decide what those needs and wants actually are.
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OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
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OK. I got the noob proof tool but I'm a bit confused on TWRP. I'm just confused exactly on what my first step should be and if the noob proof tool contains all the things I need. Again, sorry for sounding like a dimwit (now I do) but I also watched the video Hasoon2000 posted, just to give me an idea of what to do.
1. Do I being by shutting phone off and holding power button/low volume button first? (DFU mode for iPhone I remember) and then clicking step one?
I also joined HTCdev since I saw you need a token. Could this be explained a bit more?
Sorry guys for sounding so stupid but I'd really like to do it the right way and learn more and more about this (like I did with jailbreaking).
I appreciate all the advice
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I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
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I was in the same boat as you about a week ago when I first got my HOX. I lurked and lurked and read myself to death until I finally got to where I am now (with CleanROM). Almost bricked my phone because of my haste to root and unlock but what you are doing is good, taking care of the necessary steps. It seems like you haven't unlocked your bootloader? If not look at this thread, it has all the steps you need to unlock the bootloader as the 2.20 firmware we have requires a special method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1952038
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I actually agree with what you said about my OP. I jailbroke my iPhones with ease but coming here to Android was a complete night and day difference. It's clearly not the same at all. This is more difficult by far. But after looking at tons of threads, asking questions and assuring myself I can do it, I unlocked and rooted a few days ago. Went pretty much without a hiccup. For now I'm staying stock rooted and exploring the phone. I'm already itching for a Rom but that can wait.
I do feel bad for some people that post here without searching for threads pertaining to rooting but I think it's in how you ask and come off here.
Did you use the all in one toolkit? Did you use it to flash your Rom as well?
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I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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I'd say I spent 1-2 hours a day for a week reading these forums before I rooted. And went perfect when I did. Haven't had a glitch or a hiccup yet
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Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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ToxicWaste said:
Did you flash a rom or are you still stock rooted?
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Not on the app. But I'm running viperxl. I got this phone over the s3 because I like sense.
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Check sig lines. Most regulars list what they're running there.
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Ya I didn't see it listed on his xda app. Haha
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Not on the app.
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Derp. I need to read sig lines too.
If I install a custom ROM would I lose beatsaudio?