Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
djthunda12123 said:
Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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The biggest advantage of rooting my phone is to get rid of all that bloatware crap, block ads and get better battery life. I just got a replacement and had to be on stock for a day before I got a chance to root again. Battery life was horrible with stock. In addition, I personally dont overclock since the phone is running smooth with these roms.
Why root? For me the answer was easy "because I can". I like the fact that I can mod my phone and remove things from it I don't like. Stock is fine and if that is what floats your boat that's cool. It's the same reason you jailbroke you iphone, so it's there when you need it.
Easy response. Free wifi tethering.
For me the biggest reason was for wifi tethering. Blows my mind I would have to pay an additional $30 for tethering ... and that is only for 2GB. It's rare that I use it, but it's nice to have the option.
Other reasons were to either freeze or uninstall apps you can't normally uninstall. I've tried a few roms, but really like sense. So currently running BAMF 1.0.7
If you felt no need to root, then you tried the wrong ROMs or missed doing the useful things that come with it.
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Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.
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I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.
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djthunda12123 said:
Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box)
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How could you have had your TB for "about a year"? It came out barely 7 months ago.
That hyperbole aside, the reason I rooted my TB (which I did when I got mine back in March) was so that I could take control of my device. Since smartphones are really little computers I want full control of it. I wouldn't stand for not having administrator privileges on any of my other computers, why would I stand for it on my phone? That wouldn't fly if I bought a Dell laptop that was locked down because Dell thought that it would provide a more consistent user experience and it won't fly for me from HTC or Verizon.
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I've never heard anyone describe their root experience in such emotionally loaded terms. It's a phone, not a girlfriend. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a lot of feelings tied up in my phone and my emotions haven't been placated by rooting it. It's a useful tool that let's me do what I want. I like having a device where I don't run into some stupid wall when I want to do something to it. It's that simple.
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Well I didn't mean for it to be emotional, I just simply wanted to know the things I can now get out of my phone. Any ROM recommendatons?
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Well I didn't mean for it to be emotional, I just simply wanted to know the things I can now get out of my phone. Any ROM recommendatons?
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Whether it's immediately obvious or not, many of these ROMs are extensively modified. BAMF, Gingeritis, and Synergy, just to name a few that are significantly divergent from stock. Some are little more than stock dressed up pretty. Basically, it boils down to what you want or like. I simply don't recommend ROMs because most of the people that do are idiots follow what they think is a cool trend.
Some people have no real need to root a device. You might be one of them. I'm not. I like playing with different ROMs, kernels, apps that require root, and scripts. It also blocks out XDA's uber-annoying video ads. Everyone has their own reasons and some do it just to be cool, it seems.
People here has obviously touch on most of the benefits of rooting. From debloating to free wifi tether to better battery life. This is all true and also why I rooted, but one of the coolest things for me is being able to flash a rom that allows you to be on a version of android or a UI maybe not available on your device yet. Take for example the TB, it is not suppose to ever get sense 3.0 and months before gingerbread was even release i was on gingerbread and running sense 3.0. Heck you can run sense 3.5 now if you want. So to me, being able to be "ahead of the curve" and run software on your phone that is not even out yet for your device is pretty bad a$$.
djthunda12123 said:
Ok, so I've had this phone for about a year now (I rooted it right out the box) and I've been installing new roms and kernals for about a year too. The problem is, I still don't even see a real benefit of rooting. I was a former iOS user and I jailbroke it to get free apps and themes and stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. However, I simply like android better, so I got my HTC Thunderbolt. But I feel that after rooting I have accomplished nothing. Sure I'm able to use SetCPU, but the overclock doesn't even make a huge difference, and it "wears off" within a few minutes. Also, different ROMs all feel the same to me, the only thing that may be different is the look. Gingerbread imo is just a different lockscreen, and I still haven't installed a single theme correctly. Can someone plz argue these points and tell me how to take full advantage of this rooted thunderbolt?
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Whether it's immediately obvious or not, many of these ROMs are extensively modified. BAMF, Gingeritis, and Synergy, just to name a few that are significantly divergent from stock. Some are little more than stock dressed up pretty. Basically, it boils down to what you want or like. I simply don't recommend ROMs because most of the people that do are idiots follow what they think is a cool trend.
Some people have no real need to root a device. You might be one of them. I'm not. I like playing with different ROMs, kernels, apps that require root, and scripts. It also blocks out XDA's uber-annoying video ads. Everyone has their own reasons and some do it just to be cool, it seems.
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Quoted both of you because I wanted to reply to both of you. First loonatik. Totally agree. Those three are the most popular and I agree with I don't recommend ROMS because im simply not that picky about the major three that for the most part are about as supermodded as you can get. And many of the mods work on all three sense ROMs. So use what ya like.
As for the OP. If you are having trouble installing themes on whichever ROM you're using post on the thread that those roms come on and there will be several people who can help you get it to work right. (yea there are some douche bags on here but for the msot part people will help). The best reasons I have for rooting and keeping my phone rooted are free wifi tethering mainly and also because like another poster said. If you bought a computer and they told you you had to keep all the crapware they send with it and couldnt uninstall it and that you could only use it a certain way then you would surely get a different computer or you would figure out a way to get around it. I like my car but i don't like my stock stereo that came with it. So i changed it. Should that void the warranty on my car? no but HTC and Verizon think it should. Im not ok with that. If you aren't happy with your rooted phone then you can unroot it and use it as stock for a little while just to see the difference. If it makes no difference to you then keep it unrooted but I think you'll probably see that there is a performance difference and a difference in battery life at least.
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Easy response. Free wifi tethering.
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Just curious, what app do you guys use?
Synergyrom is by far the best ROM I've put on my tbolt imo, ...tried em all for bout a week each, but I've stuck w synergy in the end....silky smooth...great kernel...great debt support...and best of all..great batt life....with the extended battery, I can go 50+ hours on one charge with moderate use....heavy use I can still get 30-35 hours no sweat... ..all phones are different though...just try em all and c what your phone prefers...
I must be stupid, because I am going to recommend BAMF soab, it's a 3.5 ROM that is relatively fast, and I love all the new features. To each their own though.
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Synergyrom is by far the best ROM I've put on my tbolt imo, ...tried em all for bout a week each, but I've stuck w synergy in the end....silky smooth...great kernel...great debt support...and best of all..great batt life....with the extended battery, I can go 50+ hours on one charge with moderate use....heavy use I can still get 30-35 hours no sweat... ..all phones are different though...just try em all and c what your phone prefers...
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I'm gonna take you to task on that. First off, the kernel in that ROM makes the entire ROM warez. Ziggy's work is illegal as hell and a blight to the Android/Linux community. Ziggy's kernels have also proven the worst performers as compared to Imoseyon's and Dreamkernel after repeated tests on the same ROMs. Not to mention his kernels have some serious lag issues no other kernel does. Frankly, I think the stock HTC 2.11.605.3 kernel is faster and smoother.
I am going to have to agree with every single person here. Also, I will be the first to admit it. I do feel cool when I get to reROM my phone and show it off to my friends with stock Android phones. Especially when they cry about not having some of the options available to those of us who ROM. Don't get me wrong I know it does not make me cool to ROM. I just feel cool. But in all actuality, the DEV's are the true cool ones. But, sadly some of my friends don't want to "risk bricking or losing there warranties". But, to each there own. I even have a friend with an iPhone. He loves it, it does exactly what he needs it to do un jailbroken.
The one thing that has been elusive to me though, is a good battery life. I am a fan of BAMF. And am running SoaB at the moment. As a matter of fact currently I can not get Callrecorder to work properly on this ROM. Call recording has been my savings grace so many times. Especially when I had to dispute a bill with VZW them selves. And frankly getting the person on the phone to refund what is owed back to me.is a pain in the rear some times. But, it gets done and recorded. Then, when my next bill rolls around and it has not been properly taken care of, I would call back again and have them read the notes back to me from my previous dispute. And if they say that there are no notes. I let them know that I am recording them and that I have the recording to my last dispute. That changes how the whole ball game is played. So for me, call recording is a must. But everything else every one else stated holds just as true for me also. Any way, good luck in the search for that holy grail of a ROM. I have to go. My phone is dying again for the second time today. Time to link up to the grid again.
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Any ROM recommendatons?
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CM7. Solid as a fort and fast as hell.
Even thought I got my Stratosphere, it will be an eon (or two, if ever) that I'll see any development for it, so I kept my Thunderbolt around to fill that void.
Actully 4G phones have unlimited hotspot on Verizon, it's the 30$ plan. There isn't a cap at all, so not sure where you get the 2 gig cap on tethering.
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I really have no idea why a lot of you guys are still on stock?
This is my very first android, and i took 2 hours reading and another hour asking questions. and another hour rooting my phone.
Just root your damn phone.
I have 3 kids. Taking 3 hours out of my day to root my phone is not an option.
I did make time to mess with my htc incredible only because is was a one click trick.
30 minutes a day.. its worth it.
your question should have been "why do you stay unrooted".. THAT it understandable.
Stock ROM is pretty good though.
Cute dog. is there a way to edit topics?
I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.
I'm still stock because flashing roms and losing some of my settings got old on my Nexus One. I simply tired of flashing kernels, radios, roms, themes and never really being any happier than I was to start with. Been there done that. I did the whole "I got my first android and want to be like the cool kids and root". I've been using Android and flashing roms for years.
I was always tweaking and I would improve one thing, and another thing would be degraded or broken.I would get better battery life but have to deal with reboots. I would get great GPS but then wifi would break, or the device would get hot...or it would be stable and basically like it was before I ever even rooted in the first place.
CM7 was the best I used(most stable anyway), but even then I got really bored. I tried some Sense roms and really liked them but they were all buggy as hell as well. So I decided to get a Sense device. IF I hated Sense, I would certainly root but then again if I hated sense I wouldn't have bought the Tbolt.
So far I have not had one reboot, not one single issue except that GPS can be slow once in awhile, but then I see folks with rooted devices, flashed kernels and radios complaining of the same thing. Today I went all over town and GPS worked great...it's a random thing.
When I see a rom I HAVE TO HAVE, I'll root and flash it, but so far I have not seen anything that makes me want give up my perfectly working device/os.
With the Nexus One I found the Flavored Ice themes and fell in love with Dark Cherry. I rooted just so I could have that theme. Unfortunately theming is difficult for Sense so there are not really many themes to lure me in.
Some things I DO miss from being rooted, Ad-Free, SetCPU(but again usually ahve to live with some reboots which I hate), being able to flash some cool things like the Hulu apk. no getting around it there are things I miss from being rooted.
However, I have a rooted Moto Zoom and I use that now more than my TBolt. My TBolt has become more like a phone again and I just want it stable for phones calls and navigation.
As a matter of fact, I have rejected Verizon's update because for ONCE I have a device that I am perfectly happy with as is.
If I were going to root it would be to flash this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1013577
and then install ad-free and a few other apps I miss. As it stands I can afford to pay for tethering so I don't even have any motivation to root for free tethering.
I know, what about bloat? Well I have over a hundred apps installed and I still have 1.97 GB of space left. I came from Nexus One where with zero apps installed I had 120MB of free app space! The apps simply don't bother me being there om my Tbolt. Space isn't an issue for me.
To wrap it up, my battery life is fine, my phone call quality is superior to anything I've ever had. I love the sense UI and my device/os is stable as hell.
I am happy.
PS: FWIW, I did root my TBolt using the one click method at android central just to make sure it would work with the USB port on my computer, I then promptly unrooted it. I can re-root anytime I want. No hurry and I may very well never re-root, especially given that I will be again upgrading my phone again as soon as the next best thing is released(that is not the Charge).
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I'm still stock because flashing roms and losing some of my settings got old on my Nexus One. I simply tired of flashing kernels, radios, roms, themes and never really being any happier than I was to start with. Been there done that. I did the whole "I got my first android and want to be like the cool kids and root". I've been using Android and flashing roms for years.
I was always tweaking and I would improve one thing, and another thing would be degraded or broken.I would get better battery life but have to deal with reboots. I would get great GPS but then wifi would break, or the device would get hot...or it would be stable and basically like it was before I ever even rooted in the first place.
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While I am rooted, I know exactly what you mean. I am on Das BAMF 1.6.2 and am planning to stay put for awhile. Sometimes I fail to use the best features of my phone because I've recently flashed and don't want to input my user name and PW into Pandora while I am driving down the freeway.
Once we have RIL and are officially supported by CM7 I will get back into the flashing game. I am not a big fan of Sense and have done my best to avoid it on my device using LP, Contapps, Handcent
Guysm
If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????
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If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????
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Appbrain reinstalls all your apps. Resetting icons/widgets takes 2 mins, tops
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Guysm
If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????
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I don't think a lot of people flash new roms everyday.
Usually if you are updating a Rom, like from Das bamf 162 to 163, you don't need to wipe. apps, texts, layout, and what not stay the same.
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While I am rooted, I know exactly what you mean. I am on Das BAMF 1.6.2 and am planning to stay put for awhile. Sometimes I fail to use the best features of my phone because I've recently flashed and don't want to input my user name and PW into Pandora while I am driving down the freeway.
Once we have RIL and are officially supported by CM7 I will get back into the flashing game. I am not a big fan of Sense and have done my best to avoid it on my device using LP, Contapps, Handcent
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I was the same way with Slacker over the past year. especially because I was rooted and used A2SD, it would always log me out even if I hadn't recently flashed. Slacker just doesn't seem to like being on the SD card and hold the password at the same time. At the end of the day I'm not in any way against rooting and I'm glad it's there as an option for when I get bored. I always do get bored, either with stock or flashing roms...or just with any given device itself.
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I don't think a lot of people flash new roms everyday.
Usually if you are updating a Rom, like from Das bamf 162 to 163, you don't need to wipe. apps, texts, layout, and what not stay the same.
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This is correct. The issue is not UPDATING roms...you get to keep all your settings that way. The issue is having to wipe before flashing a new rom. Me personally, it takes me a whole hell of a lot longer than two minutes to get everything back the way I want it. Downloading all my apps is not the issue. It's getting all of the settings for over a hundred apps back the way I want. Just as an example. Every website I visit I log into with a password. I use Skyfire, stock, Dolphin HD. When I wipe I have to go back and re-log into every damn website I visit again...and I have to do it every time I want to try a new rom...which ends up being often because once you flash one, it leads to another and another, always searching for that perfect rom. I often did flash at least every other day. Most developers would update their rom, fixing or adding something and the temptation was too strong not to test drive it again. But liek I said it makes the device never feel complete because I never settled on anything long term.
I will say this tho, it was rooting and flashing that made me realize how much I enjoyed Sense UI. I tried EVERY rom there was for the N1 and never enjoyed anything the way I did Sense(although I did love ROD's MIUI MoD rom for N1+ LauncherPro Plus...it was quick as hell and had beautiful transitions, not as stable as CM7 tho) and thru root and flashing you can try different UI's and find the one that is right for you. So rooting and flashing is definitely a great thing and like I said I'm glad it's an option I have to admit I miss that little high you get while waiting for a new rom to flash. Wondering if you've soft bricked, and the anticipation of seeing all the goodies new roms contain. The feeling of having total control over your device is nice too.
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Appbrain reinstalls all your apps. Resetting icons/widgets takes 2 mins, tops
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Doesn't TiBackup reinstall your apps just as well? I don't use Appbrain so I don't know the benefit.
KarukTribe said:
I have 3 kids. Taking 3 hours out of my day to root my phone is not an option.
I did make time to mess with my htc incredible only because is was a one click trick.
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I have four kids and a large closet. Adapt and overcome.
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I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.
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+1 to this, exactly what I though too.
I bricked my Droid X a couple of times, and was able to get it back every time, but it taught me to be careful.
I flash a new Rom daily and set up a whole new theme every time I always got a new phone that way lol
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I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.
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I did this too. I plugged my phone into the USB and it took me another hour of rereading the guide before I finally got the nerve to start
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I'm sure I'll root eventually, I'm just kinda in the same boat as MuckenMire, tired on the endless rom shuffle. The TBolt is my first Android, but I'm coming from a number of WinMo 6.x devices. As some of you probably know from experience you pretty much had to flash a custom rom to make many of those phones usable. The Tbolt is a much better user experience stock than any of my old WinMo devices were with custom roms. Right now the bloatware would be the only reason I would bother with root. This phone is fast, stable and highly customizable stock. Right now I just don't see a compelling reason to root it.
That being said, first time I need to teather and VZW wants to charge me, I will probably root. I don't do it often enough to justify paying extra for it.
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I love all these people who claim they are so busy, really come on, you obviously have time if you browse the XDA forums and Im sure you spend a lot of time on facebook.
Get over yourself.
Sorry for this Trollin, It just irritates me.
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I love all these people who claim they are so busy, really come on, you obviously have time if you browse the XDA forums and Im sure you spend a lot of time on facebook.
Get over yourself.
Sorry for this Trollin, It just irritates me.
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I'm over myself. I have time, but I just don't want to root. I'm happy with what I have. None of the roms look that great to me, so why bother? Why do some of you feel like everyone has to root. Like we're idiots cause we're running stock. Why do you really care what others are doing?
I am getting really frustrated with my wife's Nexus S. Currently it has ICS with glados kernel, but the problem persists no matter what rom/kernel combo I put on it, the phone always randomly reboots. It has been doing this for months now. It will be sitting on the bed and we'll just see the boot animation, it turns right back on so only has a few seconds of down time but it does it CONSTANTLY, every couple of hours.
Is it possible the phone has something physically wrong? What can I look into? I'm bout ready to unroot and warranty exchange. I run the app "aLogcat" on it, but that doesn't really answer much *probably because it's a bit over my head* When I set it to Fatal level logging, nothing really even shows up. I can post the log cat result if anyone would care to look at it for me
Have you tried raising voltages??
Are you using any oc settings or live oc?
I haven't messed with anything related to processors since I had a G2 lol. Do I just use Set CPU? I've never really dredged into that subject because I don't know what voltages to set it to, etc. Can logcat help confirm that could be the issue? The only thing I can really interpret from it is that winamp is having Wifi issues... but I don't even have wifi activated in the app.
I see these posts all the time and I'm sorry I picked you to harass.
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DON'T MOD YOUR WIFE'S/GIRLFRIEND'S/FRIEND'S/ANYONE'S PHONE!
Seriously, they don't care about overclocking, undervolting, cool mods or whatever as much as they care that the phone turns on, makes calls and doesn't reboot. And if they really do care you need to tell them to do it themselves.
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Also reboots are annoying and I hope you are able to get yours sorted out.
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I see these posts all the time and I'm sorry I picked you to harass.
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DON'T MOD YOUR WIFE'S/GIRLFRIEND'S/FRIEND'S/ANYONE'S PHONE!
Seriously, they don't care about overclocking, undervolting, cool mods or whatever as much as they care that the phone turns on, makes calls and doesn't reboot. And if they really do care you need to tell them to do it themselves.
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Wow, I didn't realize that you knew my wife. She had a rooted G1 when I met her, and has been using Cyanogenmod since CM5, with a break while she had a vibrant because it doesn't have CM. You are extremely offensive to women, and you are a sexist, close-minded neanderthal.
She does lots of things with her phone, and hates it stock. She and I are both stumped about the issue so *I* posted up. I'm not some retard that modded my casual girlfriend's phone and screwed it up on her.
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Also reboots are annoying and I hope you are able to get yours sorted out.
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Yeah it's really frustrating, at least it comes right back up. My Evo 3D needs a battery pull when it happens because it locks up on the bootanim
I may look into newer ICS builds, but like I said this is across all rom's/kernels
Can SetCPU help even if I'm not sure the exact voltages to play with? I've just always been against Profiles running so I haven't used it in quite a while. Any ideas to try out?
I think that you should go back to a factory set with GB just to check that the hardware is fine...
I'll try that probably tomorrow. Going to drive her nuts stock though haha. I know her vibrant GPS issues ended up being hardware
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Wow, I didn't realize that you knew my wife. She had a rooted G1 when I met her, and has been using Cyanogenmod since CM5, with a break while she had a vibrant because it doesn't have CM. You are extremely offensive to women, and you are a sexist, close-minded neanderthal.
She does lots of things with her phone, and hates it stock. She and I are both stumped about the issue so *I* posted up. I'm not some retard that modded my casual girlfriend's phone and screwed it up on her.
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See I knew I was going to say it to the wrong person. I'm not sexist it's just that so many people think it's a good idea to mod someone else's stuff and usually what I read on here is "my gf". I'm actually quite sure that tons of users on here are women either intentionally trying to hide there gender or use a name that is neutral. Which is sad if they have been made to feel that is necessary. Anyway if your wife actually does some flashing, modding, or whatever then I apologize to you. However, my point still stands for the rest of users that mod other people's phones. Just don't do it!
Didn't mean to go off on ya, but we're definitely not that case Our whole house is full of modded stuff, Modded Wii, PSP, Anything android, lots of *geek* mods to my car, etc. I've swayed her this way but she already had it in her to begin with
But yes, I agree with you. I have people coming to me ALL the time to root/mod/whatever their phones and I used to help out a lot, but now I debrief them on what it all means and most back out of it because it isn't relevant to them. And whoever I do help I treat it more like a learning experience and teach them how to maintain it on a basic level without me *changing roms, etc* and don't help people unless they're willing to understand it. Pretty good system I think lol
I'm also having random reboots on the Nexus S that I got just recently. I ran a 100% stock unrooted rom for about a day and no reboots, but I primarily got the nexus for cm7 so I had to go back. Sure enough, within about 12 hours of rooting and flashing, got another reboot. Tried many different roms/kernels and underclocking/overclocking. Let me know if you find a solution.
likewise, if ya beat me to it
Anyone know what voltages to try out? I'm in the process of booting up into GummyNexus, and to test it out I flashed this too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236779
Anyone heard of the Adrenalin Shot? Found it while digging into the Vibrant 4G forums. Universal flash, says it can even help an Evo 3D's 3D Picture quality, but general snappyness. This Nexus S is running crazy fast/good at the moment, but not sure if thats just because its a fresh flash with no apps loaded yet.
Try Matr1x v14.0!!!
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I purchased a third party battery and have been using it for nearly a week without any reboots after having a reboot nearly everyday with the stock battery. Although it doesn't make much logical sense, a different battery seems to have fixed the issue
The battery: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DC2MF6/ref=oh_o00_s00_i01_details
Running Gummy Nexus I haven't seen any reboots VERY stable rom, highly recommended. I also flashed the Universal Adrenaline Shot. I found it hidden in the Galaxy S 4G threads but it's got a specific GS4G version, then a universal that worked great. Very snappy
Overall, I am happy with my phone. Use it mostly for e-mail, websurfing, various apps. Don't need to play around with settings, etc. It just works.
I am interested in possibly rooting, but frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on tweaks, loading ROMS, etc. I just want to use my phone.
If I root without loading a new rom, what are some of the advantages?
I know that I can remove some bloatware, but unless it significantly increases battery life, then it doesn't really matter to me. Will removing bloatware do anything significant to battery life?
I am already SIM unlocked (I called AT&T, and they gave me the code to unlock).
Any other advantages?
I have rooted my wife's NOOK with CM7, and while I like it, there are issues like the Sleep of Death (SOD), occasional lag, etc., that I really don't want to deal with on my phone. I need it to work without any glitches, or constant fiddling.
My guess is I should probably stay unrooted, but wanted to see if anyone can educate me whether there are any benefits in my situation.
Thanks!
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Overall, I am happy with my phone. Use it mostly for e-mail, websurfing, various apps. Don't need to play around with settings, etc. It just works.
I am interested in possibly rooting, but frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on tweaks, loading ROMS, etc. I just want to use my phone.
If I root without loading a new rom, what are some of the advantages?
I know that I can remove some bloatware, but unless it significantly increases battery life, then it doesn't really matter to me. Will removing bloatware do anything significant to battery life?
I am already SIM unlocked (I called AT&T, and they gave me the code to unlock).
Any other advantages?
I have rooted my wife's NOOK with CM7, and while I like it, there are issues like the Sleep of Death (SOD), occasional lag, etc., that I really don't want to deal with on my phone. I need it to work without any glitches, or constant fiddling.
My guess is I should probably stay unrooted, but wanted to see if anyone can educate me whether there are any benefits in my situation.
Thanks!
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Let's start with the basics, please search before posting. The advantages of rooting and disadvantages are well documented in numerous threads. It sounds like to me your phone is what you want/need it to be so why change it? If you are explicitly telling me you don't want to spend time flashing ROMs and tweaking the Inspire then I'm telling you its in your best interest not root.
Simply put, every custom ROM on here has its issues. No ROM is perfect, certain things work while others don't and its on you to figure out what you can or cannot live with. The only way to do that is by testing ROMs which brings me back to your statement that you don't want to spend time flashing ROMs and all that stuff..if you don't want to spend time doing this, rooting is not your journey.
Battery life is subjective, overall yes, most rooters see an increase in battery life, how much is subjective. I get 28 hours on one charge while others get 6. The difference? The user and what they do with the phone. My opinion for you is that don't root, you sound content with everything the inspire is.
Devil's advocate though, your inspire could be soo much more.
if you dont know what you want root for, then you dont need to root
if you want simple, do not root. It is not an easier path to walk on. It has its bumps and glitches. Sometimes you have a bad flash or download and have to redo it, or youll forget to back up something and now your sms messages are gone. If you arent ready to dig deeper into the phone and learn and also make it do more than stay as it is, no shame in that. Hes right, if you arent SURE you need to root than you shouldnt because the gains wont be noticed. I think most of us have had an almost brick experience at some point in time, be mentally prepared lol
once i had my phone run good all night, once i got to work it just died. was a bad flash and it didnt show its ugly head till the next day so i had to wait till i got home to fix it properly. lol gave me twitches not having my phone lol
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I am interested in possibly rooting, but frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on tweaks, loading ROMS, etc. I just want to use my phone.
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While I agree with the posts made here already that suggest rooting may not be for you, there are a couple significant advantages which you may want to consider.
Probably the first biggest advantage from my point of view is to remove the 'spyware' (Carrier IQ) present on most factory ROMs. That's HUGE for me. I have enough government intrusion into my life, I don't need any more. Another element is that - at least on my ROM (Virtuous Unity or Affinity) that they have done an excellent job of blocking ad intrusions.
There are also some applications which require root access, though most of them are system utilities (like Titanium Backup) which you wouldn't be using if you don't intend to experiment with different ROMs.
If I'm not mistaken, there's a path to go back to the OEM (factory) ROM, however you will need to be cautious with how you back up and restore the data you need. However it's something to consider if you felt like you wanted to kick the tires while still being able to go back to stock.
As with anything else in life, there are pros and cons. At this point most ROMs are fairly stable for the Inspire, so you probably won't be at a disadvantage, but if the one thing you need on the one ROM you like is the one thing that doesn't work and it's the one thing you can't live without, then don't do it. Read the documentation for each ROM and you'll know what to do.
I rooted my wife's Inspire so that I could get rid of unwanted AT&T and HTC apps and get rid of Carrier IQ.
The result has been better battery life and no prompts/notifications for updates to apps that were installed as system apps but that I have removed. I believe that the phone runs smoother without the stuff that was running in the background.
She really does not see any difference (except the battery life) in her everyday use.
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I rooted my wife's Inspire so that I could get rid of unwanted AT&T and HTC apps and get rid of Carrier IQ.
The result has been better battery life and no prompts/notifications for updates to apps that were installed as system apps but that I have removed. I believe that the phone runs smoother without the stuff that was running in the background.
She really does not see any difference (except the battery life) in her everyday use.
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Did you install a different ROM, or just keep the stock (except for the rooted part) and delete the bloatware? How much of a difference did it make in the battery life?
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if you dont know what you want root for, then you dont need to root
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Agreed here. Rooting requires learning more in depth capabilities about your phone. If you are content with the status quo, why complicate?
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Did you install a different ROM, or just keep the stock (except for the rooted part) and delete the bloatware? How much of a difference did it make in the battery life?
Thanks!
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No change in ROM. Battery usually has better than 50% at night when she goes to bed. She unplugs at 5 AM and usually it's back on the charger around 10 PM. Before it was at about 30% most nights.
I also believe that it uses less background data.
Root that ***** n throw a couple ROMs on there to play with. Ever since I've roted my phone a while ago I can't stop playing with new ROMs as they cone out.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought that thisbphone never had carrier iq
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Well, I went against the good advice offered here and rooted.
I used the Ace Hack Kit, with Ubuntu, which worked perfectly as expected.
I have not installed any ROM's, as I think I will just try to remove any bloatware, etc to see if the phone battery life increases.
Any suggestions as to what to remove (I am trying a search as we speak)?
Thanks!
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Well, I went against the good advice offered here and rooted.
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Generally, I'd suggest removing anything that's carrier-specific. Those apps tend to be better for them than they are for you. To do so, I'd recommend a couple utilities that will help you in your experimentation.
1) Titanium Backup. Good for removing bloatware, when you decide what it is you don't need or want.
2) ROM Manager / Clockwork. Great for downloading ROMs and managing backups from the Android interface.
Part of what might be draining your batter is Carrier IQ, but that's not something easily dug out. You'd do better to just install a ROM that's had it expertly removed. I'd suggest either Virtuous Unity or Virtuous Affinity.
The Inspire was not released w/CIQ.
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The Inspire was not released w/CIQ.
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Better safe than sorry, I suppose.
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Sigh. All was well with my phone, and I had taken the case off to clean it. I was in the back yard with the phone, and boom, I dropped it on the patio. Landed face down and screen cracked.
I guess I'll be looking for a new phone now.
Thanks for all of your help!
f308gt4 said:
Overall, I am happy with my phone. Use it mostly for e-mail, websurfing, various apps. Don't need to play around with settings, etc. It just works.
I am interested in possibly rooting, but frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on tweaks, loading ROMS, etc. I just want to use my phone.
If I root without loading a new rom, what are some of the advantages?
I know that I can remove some bloatware, but unless it significantly increases battery life, then it doesn't really matter to me. Will removing bloatware do anything significant to battery life?
I am already SIM unlocked (I called AT&T, and they gave me the code to unlock).
Any other advantages?
I have rooted my wife's NOOK with CM7, and while I like it, there are issues like the Sleep of Death (SOD), occasional lag, etc., that I really don't want to deal with on my phone. I need it to work without any glitches, or constant fiddling.
My guess is I should probably stay unrooted, but wanted to see if anyone can educate me whether there are any benefits in my situation.
Thanks!
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Removing bloat is advantageous to battery life, but the best feature IMO is AdFree Android. It , which removes ALL ads, in the browser or in the apps. It makes browsing and apps faster and cleaner.
f308gt4 said:
Sigh. All was well with my phone, and I had taken the case off to clean it. I was in the back yard with the phone, and boom, I dropped it on the patio. Landed face down and screen cracked.
I guess I'll be looking for a new phone now.
Thanks for all of your help!
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just go on craigs list and find a local repair shop. the same thign happened to me, $100 and she's brand new again
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Removing bloat is advantageous to battery life, but the best feature IMO is AdFree Android. It , which removes ALL ads, in the browser or in the apps. It makes browsing and apps faster and cleaner.
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No, the best feature is the fact you get full control of the device you purchased, anything else is secondary.
Root if for no other reason than to install CWM and keep up to date nandroid backups of your oem rom. It's always nice to have a quick solution in case something bad ever happens.
Plus, a lot of cool apps require root access.
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Ok guys, the title says it all. Do you plan on living with your One XL the way HTC intended it to be or do you plan on living on the wild side? Despite the non removable battery I plan on rooting as soon as we get some good roms. For me that's half the fun of android, as soon as I get bored with one rom I flash a new one! However I am a bit concerned about the non removable battery. I've ran into more than a few sticky situations while tinkering with my Atrix that the only solution was a battery pull i.e. infinite bootloops and not being able to access recovery. So what will it be for you?
I"m on a similar situation, but will Rom away.
definitely. and not having a removable battery isnt a problem, if you long hold the power button for 10 sec, the device will auto shutdown and simulate a battery pull.
i will root as soon as available so my root apps work and i can tether. i usually don't rom until roms are tried and true unless i'm testing. i'm not a fan of bugs and alphas.
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However I am a bit concerned about the non removable battery. I've ran into more than a few sticky situations while tinkering with my Atrix that the only solution was a battery pull i.e. infinite bootloops and not being able to access recovery.
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Hold the power button for 10+ seconds. According to the One X manual on HTC's website that will be the equivalent of a battery pull. And several users of the International version have confirmed that this works
def unlocking and rooting asap. always do.
Definitely will root, probably going to have to flash the radio to get AWS working for WCDMA.
Probably wont root. Im going to stay fully stock and see if everything is fine. If i need more enhancements/mods i will sign my phone away to htcdev
So I'm kind of a newb at rooting (I've only rooted the htc inspire) does anyone know how to root it already or are we going to have to wait till the device comes out on AT&T?
Will definitely root it but I'm gonna hold off on the roms for a while
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Rooting it to remove bloat. Might flash a rom if it's stock ICS themed.
I'll probably root/ROM mine after a few days of being stock.
I want to try out some vanilla ICS on it, but who knows maybe it will be perfect the way it is
Will be rooting as soon as possible I use to many apps that require root. May stick with sense for a while but will certainly do something about the green battery icon I really hate it.
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I'm not particularly interested in rooting any more these days, but I think I would prefer stock ICS again.
While Sense 4.0 is an improvement over past versions, it is still far too bloated and cluttered. Having only 9GB of available space on a 16GB device is unacceptable :\
I've never not rooted or flashed a different ROM on my device. Sometimes I will add my own hacks because devs are awesome enough to tell us their method for doing so. But my ROMs aren't good enough to publish and are just rips and customizations because I'm extremely picky.
Thankfully I've managed to Disable most of the Sense junk that I don't like and retain the good stuff. My stock ROM is running beautifully. HTC has done an amazing job of streamlining things and I'm really amazed.
I'll be able to hold out. I'd love root access for root call blocker and some other essential root-dependant changes but I'm pretty dang content right now. Such a wicked device. I've never loved a device out of the box as much as this phone.
Really hoping for AOKP for this device. I love the look of AOSP with the additional features included in AOKP...best of both worlds.
I'll definitely root ASAP, but will probably hold off on ROMs until a CM9 build pops up.
Non removable battery is a non issue. My Xoom has a non removable battery and I flash custom ROMs all the time. Power + Volume buttons.
NextNexus said:
Really hoping for AOKP for this device. I love the look of AOSP with the additional features included in AOKP...best of both worlds.
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The AOKP project is an awesome compliment to the AOSP sources that are released. They do such a fantastic job. Only very minor improvements and not too much screwing around.
Cyanogenmod trumps it by just a tiny bit though. I absolutely love what they do. They're intense. I always make small donations any time I can. They're amazing.
Im guessing the people that are here are going to root and rom... otherwise they wouldnt be here.
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Im guessing the people that are here are going to root and rom... otherwise they wouldnt be here.
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Bingo!
I'm always surprised when I see people posting about how they've had x amount of phones and never rooted. NEVER ROOTED!?!?!? I can understand and appreciate not unlocking the bootloader or flashing ROMs, but I don't understand why they'd be here if they aren't tinkering one way or another.
I normally don't even bother setting up my phones because I've already got everything lined up to root, unlock and probably flash a different ROM onto my device.
Honestly, the A2 has great performance, it is not top of the line, but it is certainly pretty high end. It has a decent feel overall, but still know one knows about it. Why is this?!!? I'm not even talking strictly from a development standpoint, as it is just so unheard of. everyone knows about the whole droid line and such, but our great phone is completely neglected. There is no way i'm the only one that is bothered by this, especially because there is so much potential in our phone. I know the locked bootloader, makes things difficult, but a way around that is near, so do y'all think development will take off once we get it bypassed or unlocked? Thanks for listening to my rant and feel free to give your own opinion
Motorola or Att did not push this phone like they did with the original Atrix. Most people are going with samsung (sgs2 or the note). That is why we do not have very many devs. Samsung phone are much easier to work with. I know because i have one. If no one else decides to get this phone that's fine with me. I like the phone as is. Im also happy with the few devs we have. Their work is greatly appreciated.
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Once cm9 or a form of ics gets calling and texting going then things will start to kick off. Right now with our limited amount of knowledgeable devs some have lost interest and are just sitting by waiting for Motorola to release ics.
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you aren't the only one. It pisses me off. I always have service on this phone, for the most part it's fast and smooth, and the ROM support is becoming awesome. Yet still people don't know the name of my phone , they just know it's "big"
tsdeaton said:
Once cm9 or a form of ics gets calling and texting going then things will start to kick off. Right now with our limited amount of knowledgeable devs some have lost interest and are just sitting by waiting for Motorola to release ics.
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Actually, one of the orignal devs for this phone (been on it since it came out) has not lost interest but is working on kexec for our phone which is BY FAR more important than ICS... The possibilities are endless once we have a bootloader bypass.
Motorola did not advertise or really let ANYONE know that the phone was being released. For example, when I walked into the AT&T store with a $100 and a contract renewal, I just browsed/tried all of the phones they had in stock, and happend to like the feature set/performance of the Atrix 2 the best. The funny part is that I had NO idea that the phone actually came out the day before and was just put on display. Luckily the phone is great and the community to go along with it is even greater.
Honestly I'm on Supercharged right now, clocked around 1.25 GHz, and I can go higher, but my battery life sucks. I don't really care about the attention. We're getting ICS, and I'm hoping I don't have a good enough excuse to go back to stock until ICS is out. Then I'm going back to stock for sure. The speed is great, the lagginess and bloat on the stock rom just sucked, but so does my battery life now. It doesn't really take a whole lot to trim down a stock rom, I'm sure someone will do it for ICS if I don't myself.
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Honestly I'm on Supercharged right now, clocked around 1.25 GHz, and I can go higher, but my battery life sucks. I don't really care about the attention. We're getting ICS, and I'm hoping I don't have a good enough excuse to go back to stock until ICS is out. Then I'm going back to stock for sure. The speed is great, the lagginess and bloat on the stock rom just sucked, but so does my battery life now. It doesn't really take a whole lot to trim down a stock rom, I'm sure someone will do it for ICS if I don't myself.
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Freezing apps does wonders for performance + battery life. I use Titanium Backup for this. All the "junk apps" that Motorola/AT&T installed (that I don't use) get frozen.
The End.
Some of our roms are great, but there are only 4 or 5 or something, it would be nice to see some of the big ones like cm7. hopefully an unlocked BL and ICS will spark some serious development. I think the biggest problem is the lack of serious developers. Who do we really have? Jimbridgman, lfabor06, and Rdavisct are the only ones I can really think of off the top of my head. We all play a role, but only the true genius' like them do a lot of good towards roms and things
To buy an Atrix 2, I had to special order it from Amazon. The local places didn't sell it because it didn't work with LTE in the area, and were mainly pushing iStuff.
Motorola needs to wake up and start tooting their own horn. The Atrix 2 has been an excellent phone, both in the reception department (better voice and call quality than my HTC and iPhone), CPU department, and in general usage.
Plus, there is an untapped market for these types of phones -- business people who just need a basic laptop where all their data is stored securely at one place, either on the phone with the on device encryption (or SD encryption), or using a Citrix receiver.
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Actually, one of the orignal devs for this phone (been on it since it came out) has not lost interest but is working on kexec for our phone which is BY FAR more important than ICS... The possibilities are endless once we have a bootloader bypass.
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This really is the truth of the matter. Until we can load custom kernels on the A2, the devs are kinda limited on what they can modify. ICS with a locked bootloader is not much better than GB with a locked bootloader.
My wife has a Samsung Galaxy and the A2 is better in almost every area; reception, interface, speaker...