Do you think windows 8 tablets will pretty much kill this device off? How long to you think it'll take before windows 8 kicks off? Seeing the recent Asus windows 8 tablets with tegra 3, 2GB RAM and dock, it's hard not to regret your purchase...
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I, personally, will never regret not buying a Microsoft product. I did not buy an XBox, will not buy an XBox360 or the next one. I won't buy any computers with Windows installed, and I won't buy any computer parts made by Microsoft. So no, I won't regret this tablet purchase when Windows 8 tablets are released.
And regardless of my personal vendetta against MS, it seems like no one else has/had plans to buy any Windows Phone products. I don't think Windows 8 on a tablet will do any better than Windows Phone 7. But then again, I didn't think anyone would use Windows 7 after the Vista fiasco, so I could be wrong here.
Why the microsoft hate?
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I don't think so. Based on what I've used of Windows 8 and knowing that programs will have to be recompiled/remade for ARM, I think that unless MS makes a considerable effort, we will be seeing WP7 all over again.
I'm sure people will eventually port Android to those tablets, so it probably won't matter in the long run.
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I don't regret my purchase from an o/s standpoint, I use windows on my computer as I need it for work, not by choice. My only regret of my tf300 purchase arising from the the new Asus windows tablet release is the 2gb of ram. That would make such a difference in operating performance. But I would only purchase 2gb on an Android tablet, Window's closed environment really doesn't agree with me.
Yeah, that 2GB RAM is a real crucial factor. I like the fluidity of windows
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David Dee said:
I don't regret my purchase from an o/s standpoint, I use windows on my computer as I need it for work, not by choice. My only regret of my tf300 purchase arising from the the new Asus windows tablet release is the 2gb of ram. That would make such a difference in operating performance. But I would only purchase 2gb on an Android tablet, Window's closed environment really doesn't agree with me.
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I kinda want my tablet to replace a desktop so windows would be good
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The Win 8 ARM tablets probably won't be out until the Fall. After that, I suspect it will take some time for them to gain the sort of critical mass that would really attract developers. I suspect it'll be 12 months to 2 years before they offer everything I'd like to see in a tablet. When that time comes, I'll take a second look at them. I've definitely not got anything against buying a Win 8 tablet.
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Why the microsoft hate?
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In no particular order:
Massive security flaws in nearly all their software - and you can't tell me that the only reason so many Windows virii, worms, etc. exist is because it's popular
And the biggest culprit of the security vulnerabilities is Internet Explorer, which is (was? I haven't used Windows since XP) locked into the operating system
Windows ME
They force vendors who want to sell Windows-based computers to pay a license penalty for every computer sold without Windows, which is one of the biggest reasons Linux-based computers are so rare and usually sold by unknown manufacturers
They are collecting license fees for many Android phones based on bogus patents
Windows ME
Really, I don't even care to think about more reasons. All I can think of is the computer my parents bought with Windows ME. *shudders*
For all it matters looks like Asus is coming out with dual boot Android & windows tablet ...so I fore see that eventually developers will port them onto the transformers ..just wait and be part of the fun that unfolds....similar to my HTC hd2 phone
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Windows 8 tablets probably arent going to take off because they're just as locked down as Apple's stuff. That is, locked bootloaders are a requirement for all Win8 ARM devices and metro apps and other app stores cant be sideloaded. Microsoft is trying to pull an Apple without having the fanbase that would ensure product adoption regardless of their anti-consumer policies.
Even if they do, Android will stay around as a pretty dominant player by default since there's always going to be a group that wants freedom to use their devices as they wish.
I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
I'm definately interested in these windows 8 tabs and I think that they could make a splash in the quite "linear" market of today.
However I do also agree with some earlier posts in that while the Windows tablet market will surely benefit (how could it NOT its nonexistent right now) I don't think their smartphone situation will get any better and I doubt that the desktop market will benefit from a huge overhaul of the classic layouts. I mean lets face it, so many people use windows just because its windows. Not actually because they want to and if windows changes then I think a lot of people will leave regardless of the 'desktop mode' built into metro.
Just my 2¢
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EndlessDissent said:
I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
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Sure, but there's also precedent in that HTC stopped locking their bootloaders after public outcry from power users. Even if Win8 takes off, some company will still sell open hardware. So long as there's a market, someone will cater to it.
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I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
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Even if they try to lock down their devices in many cases the dev communities will find a way to unlock them. And I doubt that's going to change any time soon.
I also think there will always be good companies that will release bootloader unlocks *cough* Asus and HTC *cough* and I think with Google's recent acquiring of Motorola I don't think they'll be as locked down as before
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Sure, but there's also precedent in that HTC stopped locking their bootloaders after public outcry from power users. Even if Win8 takes off, some company will still sell open hardware. So long as there's a market, someone will cater to it.
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The issue with Windows 8 isn't the hardware manufacturer, it's Microsoft. If you want to sell a device with Windows 8 the bootloader HAS to be locked.
here's the article here on XDA http://goo.gl/rq4yw
I suppose bootlaoders COULD be unlocked, but UEFI might make things interesting.
And as for porting Windows 8 to other devices, that's fine if there is a walk through on how to do it, but dev's cant' just hand out pre-built roms with Windows 8 without violating copyright laws as you have to have a license to legally run Windows.
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Windows ME
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haha won't let it go huh?
Seriously though, i don't blame you, with ME and ME 2.0 (vista) it just proves that they can't all be winners.
Personally i have no issues with Windows 7 and use it as my daily OS both at work and at home.
Windows 8 is going to cause issues when it's released, especially in the desktop market, people are going to freak out when they see Metro on their shiny new computer. I think Microsoft needs to build in some sort of auto detection for touch panels, if there isn't one, default to the classic desktop / start menu.
I love Win7, use it both at work and at home, and it's just a really good, solid, stable OS.
That said, I don't regret buying my Transformer with Android at all, for all the reasons stated above.
1) read the articles on that new hybrid tablet, it's riddled with air vents. It runs hot like a volcano and chews up batteries worse than the gameboy from my childhood. (oh you poor, poor aa batteries, you never stood a chance.)
2) it's locked down just as bad as apple. Sad to see them go this route. It's strange that in one product (the kinect) they leave it wide open and encourage hacking and user development, but then in other products (win8 on tablets, what are they calling it, some retarded name like RT or some ****?) they completely lock it down.
3) no dev support, and I don't see much coming in the near future.
4) It's a first gen product, almost all first gen products suck. at least for the tech world.
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Interesting discussion here. Google is obviously well aware of the potential threat from Windows 8 and it looks like they have begun their countering strategy:
Announced at noon today - Google Acquires Mobile Productivity Company Quickoffice - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/google-acquires-mobile-productivity-company-quickoffice/
It will be interesting how Google will utilize this capability. Free native integration? Could be costly as they still have to pay licensing obligations to Microsoft around this software. Whatever it is, I have complete faith Google will provide a very attractive alternative to Windows 8. When it comes to innovation, I have no doubt in my mind which of the two companies comes out miles ahead.
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The issue with Windows 8 isn't the hardware manufacturer, it's Microsoft. If you want to sell a device with Windows 8 the bootloader HAS to be locked.
here's the article here on XDA http://goo.gl/rq4yw
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That is true, that was my point in the first post I made in this thread. I was more pointing out that Android and flexible hardware to run it aren't going anywhere so long as its unchallenged in being a more free (as in speech) alternative.
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Interesting discussion here. Google is obviously well aware of the potential threat from Windows 8 and it looks like they have begun their countering strategy:
Announced at noon today - Google Acquires Mobile Productivity Company Quickoffice - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/google-acquires-mobile-productivity-company-quickoffice/
It will be interesting how Google will utilize this capability. Free native integration? Could be costly as they still have to pay licensing obligations to Microsoft around this software. Whatever it is, I have complete faith Google will provide a very attractive alternative to Windows 8. When it comes to innovation, I have no doubt in my mind which of the two companies comes out miles ahead.
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That is interesting. Quickoffice has easily the best office suite for Android, if Google were to polish it up (and not gut its non-cloud capabilities) it could easily become a much more serious competitor to MS Office and, in turn make Android a better alternative to Win8 for productivity.
I think another thing to consider is the enterprise world. In giant corporations all over the world, employees are begging for tablets. IT departments are hesitant to give them Android or ipads. If a Windows 8 tablet does a lot to satisfy the IT departments of companies all over the world, I could see a lot of adoption coming from there.
RIM is pretty much dead nowadays, but that's how they made their (now gone) zillions.
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So in azrienoch's latest video he predicts a death to the android tablet platform when windows 8 arrives for tablets and then for the windows phone. Being that windows is easily recognizable to most pc users around the world and the fact that people may just go to windows because of ease of use. Having a tablet and phone that syncs and runs the same programs as their pc may be the great selling point for microsoft. Now, I won't say I agree or disagree as I think he has some interesting arguments. But I can't help but wonder if this has much chance of happening. I am wondering what your thoughts are about the future of android?
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I won't buy one. Anything with windows seems to come with a higher price. Android does everything I need to do on a tablet, if I need to do more I have a desktop.
Android must gain the ability to create,not just to modify docs and the rest ;since then Windows 8 will be for sure a step forward Android.
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I will probably buy a Windows 8 tablet. It is hard to forget that Office is the real killer app for students and enterprise.
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Android must gain the ability to create,not just to modify docs and the rest ;since then Windows 8 will be for sure a step forward Android.
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I do agree that it would be nice to have this feature built in to android, but QuickOffice Pro works nicely for me and I got it free (Thanks Amazon). Also google docs works ok, but needs more features for mobile editing. My G-Tab with a bluetooth or usb keyboard works great for this.
so basically android needs to become more desktop-like...
whether win8 tablet will success depends on the software in the future.
current x86 windows pc apps cannot directly run on a win8 arm tablet.
x86 tablet kills your battery life.
Windows 7 already runs on tablets and yet the iPad sold much more than all tablets running Windows since the XP to this day.
Windows 8 will be atractive, yes, but I don't think anyone can predict the death of Android. Especially since no one really knows how well the metro/desktop relation on apps is going to be accepted by the devs.
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Android squeezes everything in the market share.Knowing they started from scratch and they owned the market already last year.
I personally don't care about Windows 8 tablets.
And people who know nothing about technology either buy a iPad 2 for its name or they buy a Android tablet for its price.
depends on the programs and apps both platform will have.
Unless Google finds a way to port a very functional Word/doc/PPT/Excels processing/editing application, it will continue to have a small marketshare.
That is the only thing that I want in a windows computer.
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depends on the programs and apps both platform will have.
Unless Google finds a way to port a very functional Word/doc/PPT/Excels processing/editing application, it will continue to have a small marketshare.
That is the only thing that I want in a windows computer.
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Hear, hear.
Google Docs on both the phone and tablet should be much more.
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I won't buy one. Anything with windows seems to come with a higher price. Android does everything I need to do on a tablet, if I need to do more I have a desktop.
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higher price, and also more restrictions
you will be limited to do all sort of stuff
very Apple like, i hate that in an OS
Some things to consider:
Android tablet sales are minuscule as is, it's a far, far away second choice to the iPad.
There will be 3x+ more Windows 8 installs than there are iPads in just 2 or so years. Windows is windows. 2012 will be a year filled with touch screen all in ones, convertible tablets, touch screen ultra books and of course tablets. All of these machines will be part of an enormous Windows Marketplace powered ecosystem.
Next gen Intel chips are going to be surprisingly efficient. My old Pinetrail netbook only ran hot when playing flash, hell my Nexus S gets hot playing flash. It also got 8+ hours on a single charge. Next years Atoms will run cooler (smaller and SoC) and will have better battery lifes. The GPUs are also immensely improved, better than current Sandybridge. Fan-less designs guaranteed too. People keep talking about ARM Windows 8 tablets but I don't think they'll even be a big deal.
Anyway my point is that I imagine that a majority of the people who are going to buy a real computer/laptop, and they're not getting a Mac/Macbook, will get some type of touch lightweight mobile Windows 8 machine. People will then quickly realize that you don't need a mobile-like (iOS, Android, WebOS, etc) tablet and only the Apple faithful will buy into the iPad. After that Windows tablets will take off and displace Android tablets altogether and have a really, really good shot at dethroning the iPad in the tablet market.
WP7 may grow a little but it wont get close to Android. Android is a puppet for OEMs and Carriers; and that's all it'll take to keep it on top.
PS: I do think that there will be a small market for $200-300 ~7" Android tablets but that may even get displaced by cheap ARM Windows 8 tablets.
The legacy support for Windows tablets seems like a last minute thing, they really didn't put much effort into that. The devices are usually expensive and run outdated hardware, and these devices won't become available til about the end of next year. The thought of someone predicting the end of even Android tablets is silly... Android tablets are really popular, they range from cheap to expensive( from expecting the worse to expecting the best) and the legacy support for apps is great. Besides that, tablets have proven themselves as a mobile device, why are you going to put a bulky operating system on a mobile platform anyways?
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So we have to hope that windows 8 won't run as well as planned?
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So we have to hope that windows 8 won't run as well as planned?
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It's Windows. That much is a given.
http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/op...linux-booting-on-arm-based-hardware/index.htm
http://gizmodo.com/5876384/arm-devices-running-windows-8-will-have-boot-options-locked-down
If you're hankering after a Windows 8 tablet but thought you might also run Android, think again: Microsoft is planning to lock down the boot options on all ARM devices running its new OS.
Will they never learn?
and i was reading that an app has been developed to give Ipads access to windows 7 through a virtual storage (cloud) so that windows 7 can be used with all its potential on Ipads, whenever, anywhere and everywhere...
Those rich custards are being treated as if they deserve it.
Btw i read that ages ago (months?) about the windows 8 thing...
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http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/op...linux-booting-on-arm-based-hardware/index.htm
http://gizmodo.com/5876384/arm-devices-running-windows-8-will-have-boot-options-locked-down
If you're hankering after a Windows 8 tablet but thought you might also run Android, think again: Microsoft is planning to lock down the boot options on all ARM devices running its new OS.
Will they never learn?
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It was hacked months ago....
http://news.techeye.net/software/windows-8-already-hacked
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It was hacked months ago....
http://news.techeye.net/software/windows-8-already-hacked
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"Kleissner told Ars Technica that the exploit did not currently target the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), but instead went after legacy BIOS."
These ARM devices will not have a legacy BIOS (the bios as such is an x86 thing), so this hack won't work on them.
This is Microsoft abusing their Windows monopoly, plain and simple. Offering discount licensing for Win8 only to companies who give in to their demands. Instead of playing with browser choosers, *this* is the kind of stuff the EU should be fighting against.
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"Kleissner told Ars Technica that the exploit did not currently target the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), but instead went after legacy BIOS."
These ARM devices will not have a legacy BIOS (the bios as such is an x86 thing), so this hack won't work on them.
This is Microsoft abusing their Windows monopoly, plain and simple. Offering discount licensing for Win8 only to companies who give in to their demands. Instead of playing with browser choosers, *this* is the kind of stuff the EU should be fighting against.
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Ah, I stand corrected then.
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You can't blame them for locking it down. They know that people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth really!
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You can't blame them for locking it down. They know that people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth really!
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Who gives a ****. They got there money now let people do what they want with what THEY BOUGHT.
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Who gives a ****. They got there money now let people do what they want with what THEY BOUGHT.
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agreed. if you pay for it. you should be able to do whatever u want to it
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people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS
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Probably not the cost-conscious ones. Don't forget, any tablet with Win8 is going to be sold with the MS tax included. An android device with the same hardware is always going to be cheaper.
I highly doubt manufacturers will stop making high-end android devices any time soon, so you'll always have the option of getting the latest hardware (for less!) by buying an android-native tablet.
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I dont doubt that eather. There will still be open, highend Tablets. But still i realy dont think its ok from MS to force manufactors to use there secure boot, and lock them from alternative OSes. Thats the way there heading. Not only on Tablets. The whole Windows System is geting more closed. That they want to force users of ARM Tablets to use there Appstore is only one nasty thing. But they tried the closed system before with chips that check all the software on the system, and keep away all not certifyed software. They dident manage to do that in Windows 7, and maybe they still cant do it totaly on Windows 8, but im afraid with Windows 9 they will. I know that is still far away but its coming. And its realy nasty.
You can already see and feel the results of that from time to time. On my old, 32bit Notbook i had a security software to encrypt data and mount it as a external HD when you want to use it. On my new(64bit) Laptop i couldent use it anymore, just couse it was an open source project and they dident had the money to buy the driver certificat from Microsoft. By now i use TrueCrypt. Another Project that had the money to pay for it. Thats a good peace of software to but i realy dont like what MS is doing to Windows. I like XP and i love 7, but i hate were Windows is going!
As many of you probably know from the coverage at CES, a slew of manufacturers are coming out with Windows 8 laptops that will double as tablets too. For instance, Sony has a model in the making where the screen slides down to become essentially a tablet. Another one is Lenovo, with a laptop where the screen turns all the way around to become a tablet. The one and only problem with these offerings is Windows 8. Sure, I welcome Windows 8 as a laptop OS, I've always used Windows. But when it comes to a phone/tablet OS, I don't really find any Windows offering that intriguing. I dread the thought of leaving Android and ending up with two seperate OS's and sets of apps and such on my phone and tablet. I'm sure as heck not moving to a windows phone anytime soon either.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/9/26...o-tablet-prototypes-future-windows-8-hardware
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So my questions are, do you guys think some devs will find a way to dual boot Android onto some of these devices? What will you buy for your phone, laptop, and tablet? I've read a few articles where some manufacturers are going to ship out their devices with BOTH Android and Windows 8, but I can't seem to find where I read that, and I don't believe any of the big name manufacturers were the ones doing it.
Android will at least be able to run in a virtual box, likely more. However, android's presence in the tablet market is... Underwhelming at best.
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Android will at least be able to run in a virtual box, likely more. However, android's presence in the tablet market is... Underwhelming at best.
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But right now, Windows 8 looks like a bastard child as a tablet OS. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll have to wait and see until it can be auditioned in person. The fact of the matter is that Android has most the market share for phones. People are going to want the same OS on their tablet for the sake of simplicity and not having to learn a whole new OS and buy a whole new set of apps. I'm hoping some of the big names catch on and send the devices with both Android and Win8. That would be a win-win for both the manufacturer and consumer IMO.
I'm looking forward to seeing what android can do once there's more ICS tablets as far as an ecosystem goes, I still think there's a lot of games and programs that they'll lack opposed to the 15+ years of PC games. I'm shocked that there's not a WoW client for android. Despite disliking WoW, it's not very resource heavy and it is massively popular.
I'm still convinced in the end, Win8 will be a hit.
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I'm still convinced in the end, Win8 will be a hit.
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I'm excited to have it on my laptop, but I'm not so sure about on a tablet. I hate the thought of having two seperate OS's on my phone and tablet. Viewsonic made a tablet about a year ago that shipped with the ability to dualboot into win7 and android. I hope Sony and others go for that idea...
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tested win8 in a vm from my point of view is the worst windows os yet...
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I don't think they can do worst than Vista
The introduction of the Tablet and the continued development of the phone has given consumers more choice, but has also led to more name confusion.
The Tablet is like a Net-book without a keyboard and is a good name because it doesn't include the name of any particular device or application. For example, you can use a Tablet for making phone calls or taking pictures without having to call it a phone or a camera. A Tablet can be any size, for the name just describes the shape and not it's use, though it is generally accepted as being a multi-function device. So keyboard less smart phones can be called Tablets.
Adding a detachable keyboard to a Tablet makes it better for those applications where a keyboard and extra battery and Ports are useful .
So given these extra choices the consumer has to decide which suits them best.
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tested win8 in a vm from my point of view is the worst windows os yet...
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How can anything be worse than Windows ME? My machine I got when ME came out blue screened right out of the box and needed to be restored. ^_^
I think it really depends on the productivity software available for Android and iOS when Windows 8 tablets/laptops start rolling out. I'm running into a lot of people who want to use tablets instead of laptops for their on-the-go work/computing needs.
Really not feeling Windows 8 at all, I think it'll struggle to outdo 7.
However, there will always be people who jump to get the "latest and greatest" software/hardware so I'm sure it'll do fine
Somewhere I read you could turn off the metro style (tiles) of windows 8. But let's face it, touch integration is the way for the future and I read laptops are moving towards both touch screen with the keyboard and trackpad with optional mouse. But to the user referring to tablets attached to keyboard docks. I think these will be much more than that. I think they will have more power than let's say an Asus transformer with a keyboard dock (glorified netbook). Thus I think these will lean more toward the laptop end, just thinner. At least that's what I hope.
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To understand why "true" Android tablets (read as tablets besides the Fire) are struggling to gain market share, one must first consider why the iPad, and the Kindle to some extent, has been so successful, and why people choose to use a tablet instead of a laptop in the first place. It has nothing to do with specs. It has to do with three simple words: "Ease of use."
With little effort or thinking required, anyone can pick up an iPad without it being headache inducing or bad for your blood pressure. A good example is Netflix. I don't even want to start the Netflix app on the Transformer Prime. It is painfully slow and non-responsive. On the iPad, the Netflix app with the same exact layout is as smooth as butter and arguably one of the best ways to consume Netflix content. No constantly having to glance at the battery, no rampaging through forums trying to find out why your device is constantly rebooting. It is just you and your tablet having a relaxing, intimate experience.
Unless the Android tablet makers straighten out the reboots, the app issues, the wifi issues, etc before worrying about specs, then Android on tablets is destined to go the way of the Zune.
in the case of netflix, that's netflix's failure, not Android's or the tablet makers.
as for "ease of use", if you think an Android tablet is too hard to just pick up and use, you must be especially inept. both my 56 year old mother and 72 year old step-father picked up my Transformer and were tapping and swiping away like they'd been using a tablet for years, no hiccups at all.
The biggest problem with Android tablets is shoddy,poorly optimized software and lack of apps. Android is nowhere near as smooth as iOS(ICS better than Honeycomb but still nowhere close to iPad), which really degrades the user experience. There is also a severe lack of tablet specific apps, and certain apps run fine on one tablet,but not another even though the hardware is identical. The only way Android tabs can compete is on price, which is why Kindle Fire was able to gain traction. No one I their right mind will pay the same price for an Android tablet that will be obsolete in a few months, and may not receive OS updates. Google really dropped the ball by making Honeycomb such a steaming pile of dung and launching overpriced junk like the Xoom to take on iPad 2, horrible first impression to say the least.
As said above me, the problem is indeed the lack of apps and optimizations for the tablet with both size and hardware specs.
The only reason for that, is that Android 3 was rebuilt from scratch, iOS, which was old and popular already, was simple "streched" over the screen of the iPad. Even the hardware is the same.
Google didn't release the zoom Motorola did. As for honeycomb vs ios, ios is for all purposes the same exact operating system released on the first iPhone. The advancements have been few and far between, and always behind the time. Google actually changed everything, yes some of it did not come out perfect, but honeycomb is a unique ui from gingerbread, froyo, etc. I have some issues with my honeycomb tablet but the limitations of ios out weigh my issue with honeycomb. The ipad is a great product with an offensively boring operating system
Netfilx runs on my tablet with out any lag whats so ever, and I experience no reboots unless I am pushing it with over clocking and what not. Apple makes a one size firts all product. One screen size, one processor, one clock speed, one os, one ui. Most people who complain about android made a poor choice of the device they purchased, then blame the operating system for the performance. With Apple there is one tablet.
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You are definitely right. The downside about Android is not the actual software but in a way how many devices and manufacturers there are. With So many Android devices coming out every other week, it would be almost impossible for Google to be able to take their software and mod it to every new device. With Apple they have one tablet and are able to focus on making things work perfectly on that one device, no other device specs to throw in.
The iPad sells because it is made by Apple and their customers are very loyal to the brand. Developers for the iPad only have 1 (or 2 if you count the 1st gen iPad) device to test on, so there should be no problems. Android app developers have many different devices which means there is a greater chance for issues, but this is not Google's fault or even the tablet maker's fault, it's the app developer.
Android has had quite a few updates in the last few years, both UI and Linux kernel. iOS on the other hand still looks like 2007 with some newer apps included. The tablet versions of Android are still pretty young. Even if the ratio of Android tablets to phones doesn't take off, getting everyone on ICS should help out stability of tablet apps.
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in the case of netflix, that's netflix's failure, not Android's or the tablet makers.
as for "ease of use", if you think an Android tablet is too hard to just pick up and use, you must be especially inept. both my 56 year old mother and 72 year old step-father picked up my Transformer and were tapping and swiping away like they'd been using a tablet for years, no hiccups at all.
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When people are having to read forums and sometimes open up their device to get wifi to work correctly, that is not easy to use. You may not be having this issue, but there are hundreds in the prime forum having it. People use the tablet because it is a more enjoyable experience. If the laptop is more convenient, they will use that instead, which is why people don't want to use Android tablets. They are headache inducing trying to figure out why nothing is working like it should. They have great specs, but software is more important on the tablet form factor.
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When people are having to read forums and sometimes open up their device to get wifi to work correctly, that is not easy to use. You may not be having this issue, but there are hundreds in the prime forum having it. People use the tablet because it is a more enjoyable experience. If the laptop is more convenient, they will use that instead, which is why people don't want to use Android tablets. They are headache inducing trying to figure out why nothing is working like it should. They have great specs, but software is more important on the tablet form factor.
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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And you missed the whole point of my OP.
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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So you're in a small minority of people who want to waste their cash on a barely functional device running junky software. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people would take an iPad over an Android tablet unless it's much cheaper with a comparable ecosystem ala Kindle Fire.
I don't see the Android tablets ever surpassing the iPad. In the tablet market, the "just working" is even more of a powerful concept than the phones since tablets are generally an extra expense.
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I think the real problem is that people don't want tablets, they want an Ipad. I have never been sold on the tablet craze. My screen is 4.5 inches, why would I need more? I truly believe that this is why Apple keeps the Iphone so small, to almost make a tablet a necessity.
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And you missed the whole point of my OP.
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No I get it, you have problems with your tablet and are assuming the issues are symptomatic of android
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No I get it, you have problems with your tablet and are assuming the issues are symptomatic of android
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No you don't get the point of my OP. The forums for each of the popular tablets, the app selection, and Android market share prove they are symptoms of Android on tablets.
Google and the tablet manufacturers do not get why the tablet form factor became popular in the first place. This is the point of my post.
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My apologies for the bickering, although I do not agree with the premise I respect your position. I have a company iPhone and purchased an android tablet as I prefer the platform. I have a htc flyer and for half the price like it more than my wives iPad. In the end that is just me though
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No you don't get the point of my OP. The forums for each of the popular tablets, the app selection, and Android market share prove they are symptoms of Android on tablets.
Google and the tablet manufacturers do not get why the tablet form factor became popular in the first place. This is the point of my post.
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Isn't that the same thing everyone said about Android on phones when it released?
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Isn't that the same thing everyone said about Android on phones when it released?
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Tablet market is not the same as the phone market. The reason Android gained traction is because carriers needed something to combat the iPhone and it was the best alternative at the time. Android gained market share because carriers embraced it since it put them back in the driver's seat, they could take out features,install loads of crapware and modify the OS to their heart's content. The majority of Android phones sold aren't premium handsets, but low to midrange phones of the BOGO or free with contract variety. Meanwhile tablets are typically not bought with a contract and wifi models are far more popular, which cuts the carriers out of the loop. This puts vendors in a precarious position,because they can't rely on carrier subsidies and can't compete with Apple on price due to their purchasing power. Trying to push an Android tablet at $500+ is an automatic fail because there aren't enough Apple haters or hardcore geeks who are pretty much your only market at that price point. The fact that W8 is also looming on the horizon and looks to be a much better tablet OS than anything that Google is bringing to the table doesn't help either.
More and more Android tablet makers are getting it right, starting now, just the way Google is getting the Android experience to match up to the iOS experience. It is true iOS was light years ahead in terms of beauty, simplicity, ease of use, performance etc - but Google (with Android) and many of the tablet makers (Samsung, Amazon, and now even the ODMs/OEMs in rest of the world) are catching up in terms of the OS experience - ICS is quite simply amazing, and one can't say it is horrible compared to iOS, even if one loves iOS.
The reason why many people complained about Android, rightly so, is caused by the fact that Android didn't dictate what hardware it must be run on, allowing manufacturers to make compromises/mistakes on the hardware (processor, memory, display etc) whereas Apple ensured the hardware is just as good as the OS, and even more than that Apple knew the internals of iOS and its processor/hardware really well from before, and could ensure the best optimized experience. With more manufacturers learning more about Android now - they are becoming more sophisticated in their engineering - and the Android experience will continue to flourish. And not just Google's own flavor of Android, but fork-offs like those of Amazon (and maybe others like Samsung?) may result in even more special things!
Its certainly an exciting time for Android, and in general, consumer electronics. As coders, I hope we all can add to this and bring great products to life!
As an avid android phone user, as well as a android tablet user, after comparing it with an iPad, my only gripe with my android tablet is the lack of productivity applications.
I can't seem to find one that fits my needs well enough. Most productivity apps (e.g. note taking, office applications) seems to be subpar and not a worthy laptop replacement. I haven't found a worthy office application on the iPad either. However, for note taking with a capacitive pen, iPad do have applications that performs pretty well, and those are mighty useful from the feel of it. This is my biggest gripe about the android tablet. This is coming from a university student, and of course it is probably less related to business based in terms of note taking.
Productivity aside, I love using my android tablet to watch shows, moboplayer is simply one good media player that is really convenient, unlike the iOS. As for games, there are hardly any games worth playing on the mobile platform. If I wanted proper games, I'd pick up my DS or PSP along the way rather than playing some half assed game on iOS or Android. This is my personal opinion of mobile platform gaming, most of the games are largely boring, that being said, there are some A grade games being ported off PC indie games that are worth playing on the mobile platform. Other than that, the general population of games arn't exactly worth playing.
I own a business and I'm my own secretary, so you could say I work 2 full time jobs. I have not touched my laptop for 2 years. Been using the various transformers as my daily driver. Currently, my infinity is being used daily for work. I have a laser printer mounted inside my car for me to print documents and invoices from my infinity. I do everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, on my infinity. Make my living with it. Run my entire business and keep all records on my infinity. And I keep a daily backup with dropbox.
It would be great if someone somewhere could develop cornerstone-like split screen ability for my infinity. Would make my life way way way better.
I'm kinda sad that it seems like no one has picked up cornerstone and tried to make it better. Lots of roms in development, and they kinda all look the same. I'm sorry if I have offended you, but that's what it looks like to me.
I know that the devs are using their own time to do what they love. And I thank them for it. What about google? How come they haven't picked up cornerstone or something like it so that their OS could be even more productive?
Like I said, I run a business with my infinity. Why won't google develop android to a point where it's more than just a toy for most people?
While this may not be what you want, you can always remote into a desktop somewhere, or even install ubuntu on the tablet itself.
Alternatively, there are many "floating" apps that allow you to run things in windows.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5teWJveWZyaWVuZGlzYWdlZWsuYWlyYnJvd3NlciJd
Hi i've tried to open a thread about that here but I haven't got a response as I wish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961027
I hope that someone could help us, lol
By the way, I couldn't download Overskreen web browser on playstore: it said "my device is not compatible" Thanks if smeone knows why
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It would be great if someone somewhere could develop cornerstone-like split screen ability for my infinity.
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Yes, I'd also like to see that. At least something like Windows 8 has.
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I'm kinda sad that it seems like no one has picked up cornerstone and tried to make it better. Lots of roms in development, and they kinda all look the same. I'm sorry if I have offended you, but that's what it looks like to me.
I know that the devs are using their own time to do what they love. And I thank them for it. What about google? How come they haven't picked up cornerstone or something like it so that their OS could be even more productive?
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CyanogenMod once planned to integrate Cornerstone, but Google threatened them to lock them out of the app store, because apparently they had concerns about app incompatibilities.
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Hi i've tried to open a thread about that here but I haven't got a response as I wish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961027
I hope that someone could help us, lol
By the way, I couldn't download Overskreen web browser on playstore: it said "my device is not compatible" Thanks if smeone knows why
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I couldn't care less for floating browsers. Again, unlike most other people, I don't treat my infinity as just a toy. I earn a living with my baby (my infinity). All my documents, records, invoices, etc. are kept in this thing.
How many people you know make a living armed with just a tablet-laptop hybrid? I'm not surprised the first response is to tell me to use a floating browser. People have trouble understanding how the infinity could be productive at all. They think I use my infinity to browse the web all day. And money grows on trees.
I believe the answer to your problem should be the ASUS Transformer Book, the upcoming hybrid from ASUS. Much as I love Android, Windows is the solution for all business needs.
Samsung and Google are in the loop on this Multi-View ability because right now SAMSUNG has rolled out Multi-View for the Galaxy Note 2 and now the Galaxy S III.
If SAMSUNG has worked on this Multi-View and Google's approved it, hopefully Google would be wise to get that feature available to every new Android device.
I am right there with you! I replace old laptops with these!
We give these out as laptop replacements for sales and marketing staff. They currently use the tf700 as a thin client replacement when at their desk- connected to a 24” hdmi monitor, usb hub with Ethernet, kb/mouse connected also. Many of them connect to a full desktop TS connection, but others are running a remote-app connection that allows the use of any company application without a full desktop having to be presented. This allows them to do most of their work on their android desktop and only launch those applications (like MS Office apps) that they have to. Their other choice would have been a thin client but obviously this is miles better!
I have always had an interest in cornerstone and really with that CM would have done it anyways. You can still use the tf700, just with limited ability to truly multitask. It may not make sense on all devices, but with the tf700, it would be a great device to setup a customizable app resizer to allow several apps to be open next to each other.
Same here.. I was excited when I did see Cornerstone for the first time. However was saddened to see how old it was and that none taken a stab at it for ours or someone else.
I would pay for such app or even a dev team to really implant this ability.
There was an alpha version of Cornerstone implemented on the Prime, but it certainly wasn't a daily driver...
To the OP - it may help if you provide a bit more info on what sort of apps you want multi task with. I use a browser quite a lot for work, but apparently you don't...
I also do a bit of coding in my spare time, and I've found apps like AirTerm (floating terminal), and ClipIt (universal clipboard) to be pretty helpful, appreciably when used with a floating keyboard and notepad...
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I believe the answer to your problem should be the ASUS Transformer Book, the upcoming hybrid from ASUS. Much as I love Android, Windows is the solution for all business needs.
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I know. I intend to buy the 14 inch i7 as soon as its available.
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I couldn't care less for floating browsers. Again, unlike most other people, I don't treat my infinity as just a toy. I earn a living with my baby (my infinity). All my documents, records, invoices, etc. are kept in this thing.
How many people you know make a living armed with just a tablet-laptop hybrid? I'm not surprised the first response is to tell me to use a floating browser. People have trouble understanding how the infinity could be productive at all. They think I use my infinity to browse the web all day. And money grows on trees.
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I kept on trying to use the TeamEos version of Cornerstone on my Xoom. It's a good idea, but a PITA to implement and use. The only windows that would work without fcing were browser and gmail. You could run one more app in the central window but it would fc sooner or later. Eos didn't officially support it and didn't port it to JB. It's a great idea, like i said, but a real work in process.
Was looking at the Galaxy Note 10.1 Premium Suite upgrade video the other day.
The multitasking was pretty impressive to me.
That's what Google should do. And make use of that virtual buttons black bar in multitasking as right now it is a damn waste of space.
You guys realize that even Google'rs have full-fledged company-issued Windows laptops and that while Google Docs is the "official" product used internally most have MS Office too for working with the outside world. And MS products (as well as others) are also used in the back office to comply with privacy and security requirements as well as data retention regulations. Using any Android tablet (or even Chrome Book) for mission critical work or when you have to share files externally isn't very practical. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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You guys realize that even Google'rs have full-fledged company-issued Windows laptops and that while Google Docs is the "official" product used internally most have MS Office too for working with the outside world. And MS products (as well as others) are also used in the back office to comply with privacy and security requirements as well as data retention regulations. Using any Android tablet (or even Chrome Book) for mission critical work or when you have to share files externally isn't very practical. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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I know. For a while, I was going back and forth between my windows 7 laptop and the original transformer. After months of this, I slowly but eventually stopped using my laptop completely and just carried around my transformer. Yes, there are limitations. I am fully aware of all of them. I carefully weighed out the advantages and disadvantages between a laptop and the transformer and eventually decided that the advantages of the tablet-laptop hybrid outweighed the advantages of the laptop.
This is why I have already put the money aside for the i7 14" transformer book. As soon as it becomes available, I will be among the first to get it.
To me, it's more than just something for the occasional work and game. It's my livelihood. Google seems to have trouble understanding that some of us just don't care much for the games that are available on android. We want true productivity, damn it!
In other news, quasars in iOS is kicking our asses.
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I am right there with you! I replace old laptops with these!
We give these out as laptop replacements for sales and marketing staff. They currently use the tf700 as a thin client replacement when at their desk- connected to a 24” hdmi monitor, usb hub with Ethernet, kb/mouse connected also. Many of them connect to a full desktop TS connection, but others are running a remote-app connection that allows the use of any company application without a full desktop having to be presented. This allows them to do most of their work on their android desktop and only launch those applications (like MS Office apps) that they have to. Their other choice would have been a thin client but obviously this is miles better!
I have always had an interest in cornerstone and really with that CM would have done it anyways. You can still use the tf700, just with limited ability to truly multitask. It may not make sense on all devices, but with the tf700, it would be a great device to setup a customizable app resizer to allow several apps to be open next to each other.
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Just curious, which Android RDP client do you use for RemoteApp connections?
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I know. For a while, I was going back and forth between my windows 7 laptop and the original transformer. After months of this, I slowly but eventually stopped using my laptop completely and just carried around my transformer. Yes, there are limitations. I am fully aware of all of them. I carefully weighed out the advantages and disadvantages between a laptop and the transformer and eventually decided that the advantages of the tablet-laptop hybrid outweighed the advantages of the laptop.
This is why I have already put the money aside for the i7 14" transformer book. As soon as it becomes available, I will be among the first to get it.
To me, it's more than just something for the occasional work and game. It's my livelihood. Google seems to have trouble understanding that some of us just don't care much for the games that are available on android. We want true productivity, damn it!
In other news, quasars in iOS is kicking our asses.
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet. As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
Are there any specific Android apps you would like to see that support being in their own window?
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet. As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
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That's what xda is for. Using things the way they were intended.
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet.
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And people were never meant to fly thousands of feet in the air at incredible speeds, and yet millions of people do it every day.
As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
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I've already tried all of that. Too laggy for it to be of any use.
Are there any specific Android apps you would like to see that support being in their own window?
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Again, I'm not looking for specific floating apps. I'm a technophile. I've tried them all. What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
Don't get me wrong. For now, I've figured out how to get around all the limitations of android on the infinity. That's how I'm able to run my business with it.
I'm just disappointed and sadden that most people still see the tablet as just a toy and therefore keep developing it to act like a toy. Google's entire presentation of jellybean composed entirely of how great it is for gamming.
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What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
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It's called a netbook.
goodintentions said:
And people were never meant to fly thousands of feet in the air at incredible speeds, and yet millions of people do it every day.
I've already tried all of that. Too laggy for it to be of any use.
Again, I'm not looking for specific floating apps. I'm a technophile. I've tried them all. What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
Don't get me wrong. For now, I've figured out how to get around all the limitations of android on the infinity. That's how I'm able to run my business with it.
I'm just disappointed and sadden that most people still see the tablet as just a toy and therefore keep developing it to act like a toy. Google's entire presentation of jellybean composed entirely of how great it is for gamming.
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I agree using the tf700 for many work-related activities would make life simpler but I am always going back to windows if I need to write something and I can't even imagine trying to create a power point on this. I prefer reading on it but generally use it for entertainment. What kind of work arounds have you done to get this functional?
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It's called a netbook.
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And that's called sarcasm? I think his point is to move away from windows or to find a viable alternative.