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This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
That is for running android on a computer. They just mention this method can be used to install WinXP, Ubuntu, Linux, etc on a computer. Then they mention using a Virtual Machine running both Windows CE and Android on a mobile phone. Windows CE is not WindowsXP.
That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".
Kinda speechless. The words that comes to mind are "Why God, Why?!"
Interesting...
Even though I can't see it happening, unless you VNC onto a WinXP remote PC (which isn't dual-booting), I would -still- install WinXP behind Android, just to see what it is like.
Question: if ARM support was ever hacked into XP, couldn't we use a Debian-type solution, using VNC, to get access?
That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".
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opps my bad, its not winxp. Nonetheless, there still is alot of potential.
You are right, the openness of Android is one of it's the selling point, but if you can intregrate decades of already made and proven software into your phone system, why not? There will be no need for any porting of your favorite non-main stream software.
Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!
imbonez9 said:
Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!
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Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
"Android is first and foremost a smartphone operating system, found on products such as the new MyTouch, the older G1, and others scattered around the world. But companies such as Acer and Asus are planning to put Android on Netbooks later this year, and several others are rumored to be following suit.
Chrome OS, however, is supposedly going to arrive on Netbooks first when it's scheduled to be ready in the second half of 2010. So how should companies thinking about alternatives to Windows on Netbooks navigate about Google's operating system strategy?
Google's blog post announcing Chrome OS acknowledged the overlap. "Android was designed from the beginning to work across a variety of devices from phones to set-top boxes to Netbooks. Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the Web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small Netbooks to full-size desktop systems.""
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shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
tallnerd1985 said:
You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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Interesting, but can you switch to android?
Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
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I don't think the Chrome will become the next big thing. The primary use is for netbooks, which are slow and have limited functionality. People want to be able to do more then just surf the web on their computers. AND the big question that arises: if everything was browser based, what if you didnt have access to the net? ? Personally, I like the idea of the Android better on PCs and netbooks
Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
I was only trying to point out that they are not the same OS and are being aimed at different machines, wether they are being aimed at the right machines I am not so sure. If you read the full article on cnet Android is mentioned of as being designed to run on a wide range of devices from, get this, refrigerators, tv set-top boxes, and I have heard from other articles some car companies are considering using it on the touch screen displays they use. How sweet would it be to program your fridges icemaker from android, hahaha I wonder what it could do when you root it and flash some sweet cyan or jac rom lol.
shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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That's been around for a while, but hasn't been released, yet.
I wonder what kind of overhead there would be, though... I can't imagine it being very speedy.
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You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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That's different. What that does is execute the linux kernel and kick WM out of memory. You can't switch back and forth without restarting the phone. (It's available to a lot of phones.) But if we could figure out a similar way to do the same on an Android phone, that would be awesome.
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Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
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You can have the Android on your PC, the steps are in the link on the first post. but right now... its not very practical to use it as an actual OS. Theres too many stuff lacking (flash 10 for example).
I know this post is coming out a little prematurely, but I couldn't help but notice that the Samsung Focus and the Samsung Captivate are identical phones... not only are they identical but they are running on the same network (modem drivers and such would be the same) ... does anyone know if this port would be possible?
They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.
Why is everyone so hyped about WP7? Doesnt anyone remember how lame windows mobile was? Everytime I see someone post about WP7 its like its going to revolutionize smartphones. Theres not much they can do that already isnt being done. WP7....so lame. And it looks like ATT is trying to jump on that ship first and offer a big selection of handsets at launch....go figure. At least they got something right and got one of the best android phones available for now. Its not great out of the box but with all the roms and mods on XDA its starting to show some real potential.
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Why is everyone so hyped about WP7?.
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Have to disagree here. Windows Phone 7 is a completely different beast than WM 6 or 6.5. You can't compare the two. Different UIs, different use cases, different applications and core technologies. Everyone's hyped because it seems Microsoft might have finally done something right when it comes to mobile devices. Every tech journalist I've heard talk about their preview WP7 devices has been very happy. And as someone who picked an Android phone because I wanted a choice in how I use it, the possibility of WP7 running on it just adds one more choice.
Why on earth would you ever want a car that's not colored black?
Sending a rocket ship to the moon is preposterous!
Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
I love it when people shoot down ideas without thinking it through to all possible conclusions beyond their own.
I wouldn't mind seeing WP7 getting ported some day. Choices are good.
multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.
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multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.
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Just add a good DOS emulator (I know DOSBox was being ported some day) in that list and I'll be totally excited.
Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.
And linux, unix, posix apps belongs on them even less. Oh, wait...
Stop trying to start Fanboy discussions and OS flame wars. Do you run your phone completely in Terminal? Do you expect a WP7 device to have a start button on the screen? Get viruses? Blue Screen?
Each platform has merits and competition is a good thing in almost every case. Choice on a device designed for one platform being able to run another offers bragging rights for the developers and gives more power back to the community.
I'm for the phone that gives me what I want it to do and the freedom to do it.
IOS = locked into the iWorld of iTunes, extreme DRM, and I can only use the device.
Android = the freedom I wanted at a price. Custom flashing ROMS to even get my device to work as intended. But I can do whatever I want with it and don't have to worry about DRM.
WP7 = locked into the M$ world. Again I think it will be highly restrictive on what you can do. I'm sure there will be people (here on XDA) that will hack it.. but it will still be Windows for your phone - and therefore limited.
I'll stick with my single boot Android device - Although it would have that "nerdy cool factor" to have multiple OS's to boot my phone into... I'd rather have one working OS than 2 or 3 that were buggy as hell.
This has been gone over to death, Will it happen?.....Maybe. Will it be soon I dought it. I left WM for Android due to seeing the road M$ was going down with WP7. I have yet to lay Judgment on WP7 till I can get some hands on time with it but to tell the truth I dont see it being an option for me personally as I hot swap SD cards all time due to diff projects, Class, Work, Music...ect. The inability to do so with WP7 is just a deal breaker for me, not to mention no ETA on copy and past. I see WP7 as an early version of IOS, locked in to many ways while they try to get base functions to work right.
Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
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LOL...once upon a time I had a computer with a 2 gig HDD...I told a friend of mine "There's no way I'll EVER fill this up!!"
sremick said:
Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.
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Microsoft being the maker of WP7 has almost nothing to do with Microsoft Windows. How much of Mac OS do you see in the iPhone? Just because someone doesn't like Mac does not mean they will hate the iPhone.
I was thinking this too...
Hardware agnostic smartphones... I wrote about it over at my blog TheProfessorNotes
Excerpt: Since the start of the smartphone experience, the hardware and the operating system have been so tightly integrated that one is hard to distinguish from the other. This started as far back as the Springboard Sprint phone hardware attachment for the Handspring Visor, and continues today with the Windows 7 phones, the iPhone and in reality the Android phone. But what if the phones (hardware) and the soul of the phones, the mobile OS’s, could be separated?
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They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.
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Did they prove that the Focus has a snapdragon? I knew the Omina7 did, but the last spec sheet i saw said the Focus was unknown. It would still be a pretty darn close match with the graphics being the only potential problem....
Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft but I see no problem with them? I'm currently on Windows 7 and I can customize the daylights out of it. So, is there really a problem?
Besides, Windows 7 is going to be a serious gaming platform, as this is Microsoft's entry into the mobile gaming world. So...the most powerful phone out...with a gaming OS...sounds like a major win to me!
I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*
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I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*
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I'll drink to that
The hardest part would be getting the hummingbird processor to work with the windows 7 platform. I wouldn't mind a dual boot phone though. Android/wm7/ios.
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WP7 OS requires a hardware PVK chip on-board in-order to function at all. That will be the hardest part. Even the ppl hacking HTC HD2 can only get it to operate in DEMO only mode because of the lacking of that chip.
So in azrienoch's latest video he predicts a death to the android tablet platform when windows 8 arrives for tablets and then for the windows phone. Being that windows is easily recognizable to most pc users around the world and the fact that people may just go to windows because of ease of use. Having a tablet and phone that syncs and runs the same programs as their pc may be the great selling point for microsoft. Now, I won't say I agree or disagree as I think he has some interesting arguments. But I can't help but wonder if this has much chance of happening. I am wondering what your thoughts are about the future of android?
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I won't buy one. Anything with windows seems to come with a higher price. Android does everything I need to do on a tablet, if I need to do more I have a desktop.
Android must gain the ability to create,not just to modify docs and the rest ;since then Windows 8 will be for sure a step forward Android.
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I will probably buy a Windows 8 tablet. It is hard to forget that Office is the real killer app for students and enterprise.
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Android must gain the ability to create,not just to modify docs and the rest ;since then Windows 8 will be for sure a step forward Android.
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I do agree that it would be nice to have this feature built in to android, but QuickOffice Pro works nicely for me and I got it free (Thanks Amazon). Also google docs works ok, but needs more features for mobile editing. My G-Tab with a bluetooth or usb keyboard works great for this.
so basically android needs to become more desktop-like...
whether win8 tablet will success depends on the software in the future.
current x86 windows pc apps cannot directly run on a win8 arm tablet.
x86 tablet kills your battery life.
Windows 7 already runs on tablets and yet the iPad sold much more than all tablets running Windows since the XP to this day.
Windows 8 will be atractive, yes, but I don't think anyone can predict the death of Android. Especially since no one really knows how well the metro/desktop relation on apps is going to be accepted by the devs.
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Android squeezes everything in the market share.Knowing they started from scratch and they owned the market already last year.
I personally don't care about Windows 8 tablets.
And people who know nothing about technology either buy a iPad 2 for its name or they buy a Android tablet for its price.
depends on the programs and apps both platform will have.
Unless Google finds a way to port a very functional Word/doc/PPT/Excels processing/editing application, it will continue to have a small marketshare.
That is the only thing that I want in a windows computer.
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depends on the programs and apps both platform will have.
Unless Google finds a way to port a very functional Word/doc/PPT/Excels processing/editing application, it will continue to have a small marketshare.
That is the only thing that I want in a windows computer.
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Hear, hear.
Google Docs on both the phone and tablet should be much more.
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the3dman said:
I won't buy one. Anything with windows seems to come with a higher price. Android does everything I need to do on a tablet, if I need to do more I have a desktop.
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higher price, and also more restrictions
you will be limited to do all sort of stuff
very Apple like, i hate that in an OS
Some things to consider:
Android tablet sales are minuscule as is, it's a far, far away second choice to the iPad.
There will be 3x+ more Windows 8 installs than there are iPads in just 2 or so years. Windows is windows. 2012 will be a year filled with touch screen all in ones, convertible tablets, touch screen ultra books and of course tablets. All of these machines will be part of an enormous Windows Marketplace powered ecosystem.
Next gen Intel chips are going to be surprisingly efficient. My old Pinetrail netbook only ran hot when playing flash, hell my Nexus S gets hot playing flash. It also got 8+ hours on a single charge. Next years Atoms will run cooler (smaller and SoC) and will have better battery lifes. The GPUs are also immensely improved, better than current Sandybridge. Fan-less designs guaranteed too. People keep talking about ARM Windows 8 tablets but I don't think they'll even be a big deal.
Anyway my point is that I imagine that a majority of the people who are going to buy a real computer/laptop, and they're not getting a Mac/Macbook, will get some type of touch lightweight mobile Windows 8 machine. People will then quickly realize that you don't need a mobile-like (iOS, Android, WebOS, etc) tablet and only the Apple faithful will buy into the iPad. After that Windows tablets will take off and displace Android tablets altogether and have a really, really good shot at dethroning the iPad in the tablet market.
WP7 may grow a little but it wont get close to Android. Android is a puppet for OEMs and Carriers; and that's all it'll take to keep it on top.
PS: I do think that there will be a small market for $200-300 ~7" Android tablets but that may even get displaced by cheap ARM Windows 8 tablets.
The legacy support for Windows tablets seems like a last minute thing, they really didn't put much effort into that. The devices are usually expensive and run outdated hardware, and these devices won't become available til about the end of next year. The thought of someone predicting the end of even Android tablets is silly... Android tablets are really popular, they range from cheap to expensive( from expecting the worse to expecting the best) and the legacy support for apps is great. Besides that, tablets have proven themselves as a mobile device, why are you going to put a bulky operating system on a mobile platform anyways?
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So we have to hope that windows 8 won't run as well as planned?
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So we have to hope that windows 8 won't run as well as planned?
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It's Windows. That much is a given.
Do you think windows 8 tablets will pretty much kill this device off? How long to you think it'll take before windows 8 kicks off? Seeing the recent Asus windows 8 tablets with tegra 3, 2GB RAM and dock, it's hard not to regret your purchase...
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I, personally, will never regret not buying a Microsoft product. I did not buy an XBox, will not buy an XBox360 or the next one. I won't buy any computers with Windows installed, and I won't buy any computer parts made by Microsoft. So no, I won't regret this tablet purchase when Windows 8 tablets are released.
And regardless of my personal vendetta against MS, it seems like no one else has/had plans to buy any Windows Phone products. I don't think Windows 8 on a tablet will do any better than Windows Phone 7. But then again, I didn't think anyone would use Windows 7 after the Vista fiasco, so I could be wrong here.
Why the microsoft hate?
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I don't think so. Based on what I've used of Windows 8 and knowing that programs will have to be recompiled/remade for ARM, I think that unless MS makes a considerable effort, we will be seeing WP7 all over again.
I'm sure people will eventually port Android to those tablets, so it probably won't matter in the long run.
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I don't regret my purchase from an o/s standpoint, I use windows on my computer as I need it for work, not by choice. My only regret of my tf300 purchase arising from the the new Asus windows tablet release is the 2gb of ram. That would make such a difference in operating performance. But I would only purchase 2gb on an Android tablet, Window's closed environment really doesn't agree with me.
Yeah, that 2GB RAM is a real crucial factor. I like the fluidity of windows
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David Dee said:
I don't regret my purchase from an o/s standpoint, I use windows on my computer as I need it for work, not by choice. My only regret of my tf300 purchase arising from the the new Asus windows tablet release is the 2gb of ram. That would make such a difference in operating performance. But I would only purchase 2gb on an Android tablet, Window's closed environment really doesn't agree with me.
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I kinda want my tablet to replace a desktop so windows would be good
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The Win 8 ARM tablets probably won't be out until the Fall. After that, I suspect it will take some time for them to gain the sort of critical mass that would really attract developers. I suspect it'll be 12 months to 2 years before they offer everything I'd like to see in a tablet. When that time comes, I'll take a second look at them. I've definitely not got anything against buying a Win 8 tablet.
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Why the microsoft hate?
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In no particular order:
Massive security flaws in nearly all their software - and you can't tell me that the only reason so many Windows virii, worms, etc. exist is because it's popular
And the biggest culprit of the security vulnerabilities is Internet Explorer, which is (was? I haven't used Windows since XP) locked into the operating system
Windows ME
They force vendors who want to sell Windows-based computers to pay a license penalty for every computer sold without Windows, which is one of the biggest reasons Linux-based computers are so rare and usually sold by unknown manufacturers
They are collecting license fees for many Android phones based on bogus patents
Windows ME
Really, I don't even care to think about more reasons. All I can think of is the computer my parents bought with Windows ME. *shudders*
For all it matters looks like Asus is coming out with dual boot Android & windows tablet ...so I fore see that eventually developers will port them onto the transformers ..just wait and be part of the fun that unfolds....similar to my HTC hd2 phone
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Windows 8 tablets probably arent going to take off because they're just as locked down as Apple's stuff. That is, locked bootloaders are a requirement for all Win8 ARM devices and metro apps and other app stores cant be sideloaded. Microsoft is trying to pull an Apple without having the fanbase that would ensure product adoption regardless of their anti-consumer policies.
Even if they do, Android will stay around as a pretty dominant player by default since there's always going to be a group that wants freedom to use their devices as they wish.
I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
I'm definately interested in these windows 8 tabs and I think that they could make a splash in the quite "linear" market of today.
However I do also agree with some earlier posts in that while the Windows tablet market will surely benefit (how could it NOT its nonexistent right now) I don't think their smartphone situation will get any better and I doubt that the desktop market will benefit from a huge overhaul of the classic layouts. I mean lets face it, so many people use windows just because its windows. Not actually because they want to and if windows changes then I think a lot of people will leave regardless of the 'desktop mode' built into metro.
Just my 2¢
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I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
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Sure, but there's also precedent in that HTC stopped locking their bootloaders after public outcry from power users. Even if Win8 takes off, some company will still sell open hardware. So long as there's a market, someone will cater to it.
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I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
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Even if they try to lock down their devices in many cases the dev communities will find a way to unlock them. And I doubt that's going to change any time soon.
I also think there will always be good companies that will release bootloader unlocks *cough* Asus and HTC *cough* and I think with Google's recent acquiring of Motorola I don't think they'll be as locked down as before
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Sure, but there's also precedent in that HTC stopped locking their bootloaders after public outcry from power users. Even if Win8 takes off, some company will still sell open hardware. So long as there's a market, someone will cater to it.
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The issue with Windows 8 isn't the hardware manufacturer, it's Microsoft. If you want to sell a device with Windows 8 the bootloader HAS to be locked.
here's the article here on XDA http://goo.gl/rq4yw
I suppose bootlaoders COULD be unlocked, but UEFI might make things interesting.
And as for porting Windows 8 to other devices, that's fine if there is a walk through on how to do it, but dev's cant' just hand out pre-built roms with Windows 8 without violating copyright laws as you have to have a license to legally run Windows.
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haha won't let it go huh?
Seriously though, i don't blame you, with ME and ME 2.0 (vista) it just proves that they can't all be winners.
Personally i have no issues with Windows 7 and use it as my daily OS both at work and at home.
Windows 8 is going to cause issues when it's released, especially in the desktop market, people are going to freak out when they see Metro on their shiny new computer. I think Microsoft needs to build in some sort of auto detection for touch panels, if there isn't one, default to the classic desktop / start menu.
I love Win7, use it both at work and at home, and it's just a really good, solid, stable OS.
That said, I don't regret buying my Transformer with Android at all, for all the reasons stated above.
1) read the articles on that new hybrid tablet, it's riddled with air vents. It runs hot like a volcano and chews up batteries worse than the gameboy from my childhood. (oh you poor, poor aa batteries, you never stood a chance.)
2) it's locked down just as bad as apple. Sad to see them go this route. It's strange that in one product (the kinect) they leave it wide open and encourage hacking and user development, but then in other products (win8 on tablets, what are they calling it, some retarded name like RT or some ****?) they completely lock it down.
3) no dev support, and I don't see much coming in the near future.
4) It's a first gen product, almost all first gen products suck. at least for the tech world.
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Interesting discussion here. Google is obviously well aware of the potential threat from Windows 8 and it looks like they have begun their countering strategy:
Announced at noon today - Google Acquires Mobile Productivity Company Quickoffice - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/google-acquires-mobile-productivity-company-quickoffice/
It will be interesting how Google will utilize this capability. Free native integration? Could be costly as they still have to pay licensing obligations to Microsoft around this software. Whatever it is, I have complete faith Google will provide a very attractive alternative to Windows 8. When it comes to innovation, I have no doubt in my mind which of the two companies comes out miles ahead.
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The issue with Windows 8 isn't the hardware manufacturer, it's Microsoft. If you want to sell a device with Windows 8 the bootloader HAS to be locked.
here's the article here on XDA http://goo.gl/rq4yw
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That is true, that was my point in the first post I made in this thread. I was more pointing out that Android and flexible hardware to run it aren't going anywhere so long as its unchallenged in being a more free (as in speech) alternative.
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Interesting discussion here. Google is obviously well aware of the potential threat from Windows 8 and it looks like they have begun their countering strategy:
Announced at noon today - Google Acquires Mobile Productivity Company Quickoffice - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/google-acquires-mobile-productivity-company-quickoffice/
It will be interesting how Google will utilize this capability. Free native integration? Could be costly as they still have to pay licensing obligations to Microsoft around this software. Whatever it is, I have complete faith Google will provide a very attractive alternative to Windows 8. When it comes to innovation, I have no doubt in my mind which of the two companies comes out miles ahead.
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That is interesting. Quickoffice has easily the best office suite for Android, if Google were to polish it up (and not gut its non-cloud capabilities) it could easily become a much more serious competitor to MS Office and, in turn make Android a better alternative to Win8 for productivity.
I think another thing to consider is the enterprise world. In giant corporations all over the world, employees are begging for tablets. IT departments are hesitant to give them Android or ipads. If a Windows 8 tablet does a lot to satisfy the IT departments of companies all over the world, I could see a lot of adoption coming from there.
RIM is pretty much dead nowadays, but that's how they made their (now gone) zillions.
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I'm in the market to purchase a new tablet and I've dug around quite thoroughly in hopes of finding something that suits me. I started looking at a nexus device because Nexus devices are generally the best when it comes to Android (At least in terms of Software, Hardware I'll always go Motorola strictly for build quality.) I did my fair share of digging and stumbled into the Microsoft Store here in Austin not expecting much in the way of tablets outside of a Surface and I simply don't like the shape or feel of them (Though the build quality is superb and likely unparalleled outside of the Apple world.) I also couldn't justify $800 for a tablet unless it was as powerful as my gaming laptop that I spent roughly the same amount on.Looking around though, I found this Lenovo Miix 2 8. This thing really feels good. I mean, I've used all there is with Android but this thing feels like it's what Windows 8 was built for. The gestures are amazingly intuitive when you can reach them all, the OS is likely the most touch friendly of it's kind. It's the first tablet that I've used where I felt like I was using a full-scale OS brought down to a tablet size with the added benefit of touch input... It's not just an oversized phone and on top of that, it costs $50 less than the Android tablets I was considering. I have Borderlands 2 playing on this thing at a solid 28-32 FPS and it cost less than the competition. I've been using it for about two days now. I'm mostly an Android user and I'm wondering, is there any real benefit for me to turn this thing back in in my grace period and shuck out another $50 bucks for an Android tablet?
With android everythings intergrated. There's a lot more support with android . I was also looking at a ms tab not too long ago but I was turned off once I realized there wasn't much I could do with customizing the operating system. I like the new tab pro line but the pricing is a bit ridiculous.
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It really all depends on what your priorities are. I had a Windows tablet/phone for about a year and I absolutely loved the user experience. Personally, I think it was the best touch experience I've ever had in a mobile device, and my history of smartphone mobile device OSes has been android-->iOS-->windows phone 7-->windows 8/windows phone 8--> android.
Each device is made for a particular audience and thus will be good at different things. As a consumer device targeted at business users and your average consumers, windows 8 devices do a great job providing a beautiful UI with an intuitive user interface as well as the ability to run desktop applications if needed.
The reason I ultimately went back to Android was because I missed the customizability of it. That and I love the fact that if I want, I can go look at the source for most of the components on my phone, and if I'm really irked about something I can modify it.
If you're just looking for a device to use for entertainment and things like document editing, email, social media, etc, a Windows device will provide an amazing user experience. I wouldn't advocate dropping the tablet you already have to go to android unless there's something specific about Android that you want. As much I loved going back to Android, selling my Lumia 810 was hard for me because I really loved the interface. If Microsoft should ever open source windows phone 8 and make windows 8/windows phone 8 as customizable as android, I'd go back to it in a heartbeat.
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It really all depends on what your priorities are. I had a Windows tablet/phone for about a year and I absolutely loved the user experience. Personally, I think it was the best touch experience I've ever had in a mobile device, and my history of smartphone mobile device OSes has been android-->iOS-->windows phone 7-->windows 8/windows phone 8--> android.
Each device is made for a particular audience and thus will be good at different things. As a consumer device targeted at business users and your average consumers, windows 8 devices do a great job providing a beautiful UI with an intuitive user interface as well as the ability to run desktop applications if needed.
The reason I ultimately went back to Android was because I missed the customizability of it. That and I love the fact that if I want, I can go look at the source for most of the components on my phone, and if I'm really irked about something I can modify it.
If you're just looking for a device to use for entertainment and things like document editing, email, social media, etc, a Windows device will provide an amazing user experience. I wouldn't advocate dropping the tablet you already have to go to android unless there's something specific about Android that you want. As much I loved going back to Android, selling my Lumia 810 was hard for me because I really loved the interface. If Microsoft should ever open source windows phone 8 and make windows 8/windows phone 8 as customizable as android, I'd go back to it in a heartbeat.
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I don't think there will ever be more support for Android than full Windows, it's just not viable and ChromeOS is a sad, strange joke. This is an entertainment and social device. I couldn't care less about customization. I move my apps into their folders and I'm content. I do apologize if I sounded rude in the initial part of this, it was mostly for the other guy. I'm OS agnostic and just use what's more user friendly and Android's OS just isn't as touch friendly or appealing regardless of modification. Live tiles just look cooler. I think I'll likely stick with the Lenovo. I'd rather have a PC that fits in my back pocket as opposed to a slightly larger phone minus the service plan.
I'd go for a Windows tablet if I'd want to work related stuff and all.
I think its up for you to decide. Check both Pros and Cons, have fun checking specifications and reviews about your desired devices.
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I don't think there will ever be more support for Android than full Windows, it's just not viable and ChromeOS is a sad, strange joke. This is an entertainment and social device. I couldn't care less about customization. I move my apps into their folders and I'm content. I do apologize if I sounded rude in the initial part of this, it was mostly for the other guy. I'm OS agnostic and just use what's more user friendly and Android's OS just isn't as touch friendly or appealing regardless of modification. Live tiles just look cooler. I think I'll likely stick with the Lenovo. I'd rather have a PC that fits in my back pocket as opposed to a slightly larger phone minus the service plan.
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Different strokes for different folks. Each has their uses and target audience. Congrats on finding a new home!
I've tried both a Windows tablet and an assortment of Android devices, though my views may be a bit biased as a Linux/Android user/developer. Overall, I feel that the user experience of an Android device is much smoother, more integrated, and overall more enjoyable. From a developers standpoint, I find Android to be more simplistic (in terms of ease of development), and yet far more advanced in terms of what I can actually do.
There is also something to be said about the scope of what Microsoft can do, vs what Google can do. IMO, although I find Google to be much more assertive in our daily lives, they are able to create a much more enjoyable user experience than Microsoft can.
In short? I'd shell out the extra $50 for the Android.
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I've tried both a Windows tablet and an assortment of Android devices, though my views may be a bit biased as a Linux/Android user/developer. Overall, I feel that the user experience of an Android device is much smoother, more integrated, and overall more enjoyable. From a developers standpoint, I find Android to be more simplistic (in terms of ease of development), and yet far more advanced in terms of what I can actually do.
There is also something to be said about the scope of what Microsoft can do, vs what Google can do. IMO, although I find Google to be much more assertive in our daily lives, they are able to create a much more enjoyable user experience than Microsoft can.
In short? I'd shell out the extra $50 for the Android.
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I've had the opposite experience. Android's dev tools are awful... Likely the worst of the lot. Microsoft put a ton of work into their development suite and it shows. That and Android has never been a smooth experience for me. It's one I've mostly enjoyed but I've had a lot of battery pulls, force closes, and ill-responsive devices en route to that point. Sure, you have system access but honestly, it almost needs it to be usable on anything outside of a Nexus device. I don't see where Android creates a better user experience on any front.
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Well, I never have or own a window phone or windows tablet ever so I cannot said much about it. However, as an Android user, I have more privilege on doing whatever I want to my phone or to my tablet (Kindle fire) like root my phone and tablet. I still own a SG2! it is still running smoothly with milestone installed. I guess it is up to the users. Users that like to modified their phones tend to go beyond a regular user. Users that are not really into modifying their phones tend to just go with original stock. On the tablet side, I love doing thing like rooting and modifying to something else like replace amazon store with google play store. I guess I do not like anything without root.
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I've had the opposite experience. Android's dev tools are awful... Likely the worst of the lot. Microsoft put a ton of work into their development suite and it shows. That and Android has never been a smooth experience for me. It's one I've mostly enjoyed but I've had a lot of battery pulls, force closes, and ill-responsive devices en route to that point. Sure, you have system access but honestly, it almost needs it to be usable on anything outside of a Nexus device. I don't see where Android creates a better user experience on any front.
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MS dev tools are pretty nice, but that's because they have to be. Android's not really meant to be a centralized and standardized experience. It's meant to succeed or fail based on the motivation and effort of the open source community. It's a much smoother ride when MS controls all of the internals and the only way to actually make changes is through their tools.
I have never enjoyed the interface of the windows devices, I felt they were too restricted in what was available for them compared to android. Im speaking from past experience so im not sure what todays devices are like but its Android all the way for me, also the support for android is widespread, i think you would be hard pressed to find more help than whats available for android.
"What reason is there to buy an Android tablet over a Windows tablet?"
It's not windows. Nuff said.
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I suggest you tou an Android tablet (especially Google Nexus 7 2013 version). Android is highly customisable, has more features and is way more easier to use. The User Interface is very friendly and the tablet's performance is so smooth. You won't regret buying Nexus 7 or another Android tablet. A thing that Windows tablets doesn't have is CyanogenMod, SlimKat and the rest magical stuff. Think about it. It's up to you.
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In my opinion, the sole reason would be selection of Apps
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In my opinion, the sole reason would be selection of Apps
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That's right. There are 700.00+ apps to choose from Google Play. Also you can install apps that do not come from the Market (a.k.a. unknown sources).
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They both got their perks, I would say android tablet, I own a Sony Xperia Tablet S and a galaxy note 8.0 and its does everything from reading magazines, playing games, working on word/excel/etc... Haven't touch windows since their shenanigans on windows vista
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Microsoft is very weak in tablet technology. There are few Metro applications comparing with the Android market. And regarding to desktop applications, they are not optimized to be used with touch screens at all. Moreover, the are not optimized for small displays neither. Even in my 10.1 netbook screen, some applications have problems to layout its windows correctly.
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That's right. There are 700.000+ apps to choose from Google Play. Also you can install apps that do not come from the Market (a.k.a. unknown sources).
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integration and personlisation