This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
That is for running android on a computer. They just mention this method can be used to install WinXP, Ubuntu, Linux, etc on a computer. Then they mention using a Virtual Machine running both Windows CE and Android on a mobile phone. Windows CE is not WindowsXP.
That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".
Kinda speechless. The words that comes to mind are "Why God, Why?!"
Interesting...
Even though I can't see it happening, unless you VNC onto a WinXP remote PC (which isn't dual-booting), I would -still- install WinXP behind Android, just to see what it is like.
Question: if ARM support was ever hacked into XP, couldn't we use a Debian-type solution, using VNC, to get access?
That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".
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opps my bad, its not winxp. Nonetheless, there still is alot of potential.
You are right, the openness of Android is one of it's the selling point, but if you can intregrate decades of already made and proven software into your phone system, why not? There will be no need for any porting of your favorite non-main stream software.
Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!
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Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!
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Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
"Android is first and foremost a smartphone operating system, found on products such as the new MyTouch, the older G1, and others scattered around the world. But companies such as Acer and Asus are planning to put Android on Netbooks later this year, and several others are rumored to be following suit.
Chrome OS, however, is supposedly going to arrive on Netbooks first when it's scheduled to be ready in the second half of 2010. So how should companies thinking about alternatives to Windows on Netbooks navigate about Google's operating system strategy?
Google's blog post announcing Chrome OS acknowledged the overlap. "Android was designed from the beginning to work across a variety of devices from phones to set-top boxes to Netbooks. Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the Web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small Netbooks to full-size desktop systems.""
-CNET
shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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Interesting, but can you switch to android?
Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
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I don't think the Chrome will become the next big thing. The primary use is for netbooks, which are slow and have limited functionality. People want to be able to do more then just surf the web on their computers. AND the big question that arises: if everything was browser based, what if you didnt have access to the net? ? Personally, I like the idea of the Android better on PCs and netbooks
Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
I was only trying to point out that they are not the same OS and are being aimed at different machines, wether they are being aimed at the right machines I am not so sure. If you read the full article on cnet Android is mentioned of as being designed to run on a wide range of devices from, get this, refrigerators, tv set-top boxes, and I have heard from other articles some car companies are considering using it on the touch screen displays they use. How sweet would it be to program your fridges icemaker from android, hahaha I wonder what it could do when you root it and flash some sweet cyan or jac rom lol.
shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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That's been around for a while, but hasn't been released, yet.
I wonder what kind of overhead there would be, though... I can't imagine it being very speedy.
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You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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That's different. What that does is execute the linux kernel and kick WM out of memory. You can't switch back and forth without restarting the phone. (It's available to a lot of phones.) But if we could figure out a similar way to do the same on an Android phone, that would be awesome.
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Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
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You can have the Android on your PC, the steps are in the link on the first post. but right now... its not very practical to use it as an actual OS. Theres too many stuff lacking (flash 10 for example).
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As WebOS (palm pre) is Linux based can it be ported to a wm phone like android?
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As WebOS (palm pre) is Linux based can it be ported to a wm phone like android?
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I think the WebOS isn't an open source, but a closed source system, but I would be also interested in the porting, if it is possible.
DOMy
That would be off the heezy, but unfortunately, as domi007 said, it probably won't be open source. But, there's a bright side. WebOS programs are basically HTML, javascript, and all those other web standards we've come to love. If I'm correct, WebOS's programs conform to a standard concerning web widgets. Windows Mobile 6.5 introduces a standards-compliant web-widget engine. Do you see what I'm getting at? So, hopefully, we will still be able to run WebOS programs. But some of this is speculation, so we'll see what happens.
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WebOS isn't just open source, the root image has been captured. I'm looking for a legit link for it. We need to get it working.
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WebOS isn't just open source, the root image has been captured. I'm looking for a legit link for it. We need to get it working.
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If you want a link, it's here. Use a tool like Universal Extractor to keep extracting the files until you get a folder called webosdoctorp100ewwsprint and open that. Then, go to the Resources folder, then in there, find WebOS.tar and extract that. Then, open the WebOS folder you just created, and find "nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar", and there's your WebOS. Somebody in this thread managed to partially boot it with Haret, so it may be possible. Good luck,
Dave
@DaveTheTytnIIGuy, I got the rootfs and made a cramfs img of it. I can't seem to get Haret to boot. I'm taking Kaiser/Tilt zImage, rootfs as a tgz and an img, a basic initrd.gz or without one. Nothing seems to boot. Best I got was a fallback to a command line with job control turned off.
Anyone know a way to boot this with Haret (and a TytnII/Kaiser/Tilt preferably). I read that other thread but there's no info out (specifics) about running it like that.
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anybody get any further
Would love to run it on HTC rhodium
Got android running but it sucks compared to old Palm Os
Any further developement here ????
It would be AMAZING to have this running on HTC devices, its definitely one of the best mobile OS's out there. As usual, though, I suspect driver issues will be a problem.
I haven't used WebOS much, but if it's so great, why is it that the outlook on Palm's future is so bleak? It's not looking like they'll survive the rest of this year. Iphone, Android and WinMo have crushed them.
Sadly to say that is timing and public image ????
I remember (showing my age a bit I suppose) that there used to be an operating system called BEOS and with it I could open 120 windows explorer windows and get it to stream and update all 120 at the same time
Amazing !!! Can microsft windows do this NO NO NO ???? but it died !!
But again was a niche market and got buried.
WebOs is a cell fone OS written from the ground up for a cellphone
Very Good
BUT BUT (always a but) google has also launched a linux os android
Market perception and cash in bank determines the outcome Not normally the merits of the operating system sad to say!!
I mean Palm with its squibbling cash flow is insignificant against Google fones and Android.
But how many people have I seen complain on android - cant do this cant do that ???
But will they change to Palm Webos Palm who they say !!!!
I rest my case.
But if it can be run on tilt 2 Hell I will be first to donate.
Regards
M
Actually WebOS is one of the best (if not the best) operating systems right now. The real problem lies in Palm and in its poor marketing.
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Actually WebOS is one of the best (if not the best) operating systems right now. The real problem lies in Palm and in its poor marketing.
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Agreed, very poor marketing, especially in Europe, and network exclusivity is NOT a good idea for a device that nobody knows about. They should have gone on a full assault on all networks (in the UK anyway) and just got the device into as many hands as possible. But they didn't. And i've yet to see a live device on the streets of London... Apparently the Pre/Pixi plus have been approved for Euro frequencies.. I've had the top spec mobile for the last 5 years, the Pixi is looking like a nice cheap alternative.. back to basics...
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Agreed, very poor marketing, especially in Europe, and network exclusivity is NOT a good idea for a device that nobody knows about.
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Yep.
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And i've yet to see a live device on the streets of London...
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Actually I managed to see one in Italy and a couple here in Denmark. But those are usually American tourists.
Ha, you mean the 2 Americans left that don't have an iPhone!
So true...
People here seem tobe making headway on web os
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524887&page=4
HTC Hero
Apparently they're trying to port it to the Sprint HTC Hero. If it isn't too buggy I'm going to flash when I get a chance.
didnt this project get discontinued for lack of source code.. and since HP will easily close any project that goes with putting webos on non hp/palm devices
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Hi, I'm on Sprint phone carrier and I really want the HD2 phone, but I don't want to switch to another carrier, but Sprint said they are going to release HTC Supersonic phone which suppose to have same physical specs as HD2 but AMOLED screen and !no! Android! I don't want the android! I've been using WM since age of 5! I don't know what to do, so depressed. If it could be possible to dump HD2 rom and put it on HTC Supersonic... that could be cool... please tell me if something like that is at least theoretically possible.
It's incredibly unlikely, if not impossible, to put Windows Mobile on a device that didn't ship with it. In fact, no one's ever done it before, because it's way to difficult. The biggest problem is that Windows Mobile lacks a HAL, meaning that the kernel must directly support the hardware. This means that Windows Mobile ROMs are highly device dependant, and will not work on other devices for which they were not made for. In short, it's not going to happen. You'd have better luck purchasing a popular HTC Windows Mobile device and hoping someone ports Android to it. Sorry...
It's not possible to run Windows Mobile on Android devices. While there has been ports to do the reverse (Android on WM) like AndrOMINA, the hardware has to support Windows Mobile (which some CPUs don't) and the SPL (Secondary Program Loader) has to be configured to boot the WM ROM.
Android devices have their NAND Chips divided into various partitions, however WM has it all-in-one partition (correct me if I'm wrong).
Why do you want Windows Mobile on an Android device? Unless you know your techie stuff, pay Microsoft for the Windows Mobile source code, compile and test it on your Android device, not to mention the tasks of flashing, rooting, etc.
In other words, if you want Windows Mobile, go buy a WM phone that's out on the market today. Otherwise, if you get an Android phone, get used to android.
Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.
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Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.
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I ran Android on my phone and played around with it... i didn't really liked it because it's not as customizable as windows mobile. Like I changed the registry on my phone and now I have free tethering on Sprint where I have to pay something like $40 to use it... on Android I simply couldn't find the calibration tool because my touch screen is a little messy. I have nothing against Android or Iphone OS, but I preffer Windows Mobile more for it's customizability so to say. Also I have perfect set of software for it that I only going to use... I hope windows mobile will survive and continue living... also i hope android will progress too.
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I ran Android on my phone and played around with it... i didn't really liked it because it's not as customizable as windows mobile. Like I changed the registry on my phone and now I have free tethering on Sprint where I have to pay something like $40 to use it... on Android I simply couldn't find the calibration tool because my touch screen is a little messy. I have nothing against Android or Iphone OS, but I preffer Windows Mobile more for it's customizability so to say. Also I have perfect set of software for it that I only going to use... I hope windows mobile will survive and continue living... also i hope android will progress too.
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Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.
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Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.
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Because YOU use winmo. What's not to hate?
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Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.
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Haha, that's true... I can understand those people, it's simply because they don't know all the features of WinMo and all smooth experience of Iphone or Android is a big + for those OS, after them you look at WinMo as a shabby and old-style OS, but... I like this feature on my phone for example: If i don't have my phone with me or it's charging in the bedroom i can simply access it over the internet and just drag'n'drop whatever files i need! Or login to my phone and check my messages, not even getting up from the couch or touching the phone!
This is a great + of WinMo and a grat - of other platforms. Other phones have cool stuff too like Google app store and Iphone store...
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Because YOU use winmo. What's not to hate?
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I don't actually use the phone, I just put Roms on it for my brother.I may play around with it though. I've owned a Iphone, touch pro and now have a Dream.Can't wait for that X10 though.
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I don't actually use the phone, I just put Roms on it for my brother.I may play around with it though. I've owned a Iphone, touch pro and now have a Dream.Can't wait for that X10 though.
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Personally waiting for the dragon/bravo, a 4in. screen just seems TOO big. There's good big, then there is TOO big, the x10 is verging on TOO big. Great for typing, not so much for fitting in pockets.
Even if its not possible to run full blown Windows Mobile on an Android device, is there a way to emulate Windows Mobile within it? I have a large catalog of medical programs from WinMo that aren't yet available for Android and I really wish I could still use them. They're so useful, I'm half tempted to carry my old Tilt around without its SIM card. I would certainly pay for a program that let me use these old programs on my Android device and I believe others would too.
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It's not possible to run Windows Mobile on Android devices. While there has been ports to do the reverse (Android on WM) like AndrOMINA, the hardware has to support Windows Mobile (which some CPUs don't) and the SPL (Secondary Program Loader) has to be configured to boot the WM ROM.
Android devices have their NAND Chips divided into various partitions, however WM has it all-in-one partition (correct me if I'm wrong).
Why do you want Windows Mobile on an Android device? Unless you know your techie stuff, pay Microsoft for the Windows Mobile source code, compile and test it on your Android device, not to mention the tasks of flashing, rooting, etc.
In other words, if you want Windows Mobile, go buy a WM phone that's out on the market today. Otherwise, if you get an Android phone, get used to android.
Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.
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Question, have you ever used a windows mobile phone? For the record WinMo is already dead, it died at 6.5 and likely isnt coming back in any form. We have windows phone 7now which is an entirely different OS altogether but has nothing to do with WinMo other than the distributor. Windows mobile is the single most customizable phone operating system out there. It's the only one you can customize every single aspect was. The main problem with it is you have to customize it before its really functional. Windows phone, though it lacks customization has a nicer UI than android or iphone by default and is capable of running much more powerful applications than android. I mean pick your poison but at least go into a conversation knowing what you're talking about but android though open is nowhere near as open as windows mobile.
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My 3.8 inch screen fits well in my jean's pocket, or you can get a holster!!
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Haha, that's true... I can understand those people, it's simply because they don't know all the features of WinMo and all smooth experience of Iphone or Android is a big + for those OS, after them you look at WinMo as a shabby and old-style OS, but... I like this feature on my phone for example: If i don't have my phone with me or it's charging in the bedroom i can simply access it over the internet and just drag'n'drop whatever files i need! Or login to my phone and check my messages, not even getting up from the couch or touching the phone!
This is a great + of WinMo and a grat - of other platforms. Other phones have cool stuff too like Google app store and Iphone store...
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Not to mention, along with all the good things WinMo is and does, is the excellent battery life. I have been using Android ROMs on my HD2 since they were available, and I also have OEM Android phones, and I recently...like a coupe days ago...re-flashed a WWE WinMo ROM back onto my HD2...hadn't used WinMo in like forever...and the battery life is just purely pleasing. It's so much better than the best Android phone I've ever used.
The biggest issue with WinMo are the apps...or lack thereof. All of the popular apps are missing and what apps there are seem crappy compared to the other systems. The social apps and social integration in WinMo are horrible. But the best thing I've found for WinMo to keep using it is Uno. LOL...the WinMo version of Uno is by far the best and is actually playable. Most other WinMo games are unusable.
And for WinMo not being open, whether that means the OS, I don't know, but there are tones of customs WinMo ROMs available and the system is actually more open than Android, in my opinion. Had MS stood behind WinMo and supported it for getting app devs like they are with WP7, they would have the best system going. But this brings to mind that WinMo isn't modern like the others are. It doesn't even natively support capacitive multi-touch display tech. That may have played a big role in MS abandoning it in favor of a ground-up new OS.
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lol. you'd hate the Galaxy Nexus' 4.65" screen then.
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Necro bumping ftw?
I love Windows 10 Mobile, love Android too. Both OS have - and + Android is open source that can be customized anytime, anywhere. Windows Mobile cannot be customized because it's not open source and only Microsoft can add and remove things in it. W10M is best Windows for mobile devices, you can buy a Lumia device, for example Microsoft Lumia 950. It's the best Lumia I ever seen and works soooo cool
I used a Windows Mobile device for years and only recently made the switch to Android. I had to do it because of the apps, they just aren't on WM.
Keep in mind Android is highly customizable. When I swapped I used a Windows-esque launcher with squares and a metro design to ease the transition. You can do other things as well to make it a very similar experience, at least in my opinion.
If you really want to stick with WM, and I can't blame you, go for the Nokia Lumia 950. The hardware and specs are pretty high end.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/microsoft-to-announce-arm-based-windows-at-ces/
This is good news for all who want alternative os. i love android personally but there are still some things that can only be done in good ol M$ sorry to say.
Ha! I totally called this the other day. An ARM-based windows would be amazing, but it looks like it won't be here for another 2 years. I probably won't even own a g tablet at that time, but this is good news nonetheless.
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YES!
I can now have the famous "Blue Screen of Death" on my tablet.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/microsoft-to-announce-arm-based-windows-at-ces/
This is good news for all who want alternative os. i love android personally but there are still some things that can only be done in good ol M$ sorry to say.
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Sounds like this is aimed squarely at Cortex-A15 due out shortly and targetted at servers. M$ is running scared, crapping their britches as they had dropped support for everything but x86 which would have meant big business for linux and other OSes with broader CPU support...
(Back in the day, M$ used to support PowerPC, ARM, MIPS, etc. but nobody running anything halfway powerful ruined it by running Windows NT on it... so since nobody bought it, M$ dropped support...)
As to things you can "only do" in Windows: That's unlikely as what you probably want to do will only be available in x86 compatible binary form...
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I can now have the famous "Blue Screen of Death" on my tablet.
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Lets be fair here. Force closes on android might as well be a blue screen. And most of us still report issues with having to power cycle the Gtab daily to prevent excessive slowdown. Not that apple is no picnic either. I was plagued by crashing apps constantly on my ipod touch when I had it.
I can definitely see windows being useful to use REAL MS office for documents as well as a whole pile of other "apps" that are just stripped down versions of the desktop version with bugginess to show it. Plus, Microsoft's development model is designed around making windows work(or 'work' if you prefer ) on any piece of hardware you through at it that belongs to a supported chipset family. This SHOULD mean much simpler out of the box installs for people adding windows to their tab on their own accord.
Sure, it's not going to be a solution for EVERYONE, but there is definitely good reason to release it.
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Lets be fair here. Force closes on android might as well be a blue screen. And most of us still report issues with having to power cycle the Gtab daily to prevent excessive slowdown. Not that apple is no picnic either. I was plagued by crashing apps constantly on my ipod touch when I had it.
I can definitely see windows being useful to use REAL MS office for documents as well as a whole pile of other "apps" that are just stripped down versions of the desktop version with bugginess to show it. Plus, Microsoft's development model is designed around making windows work(or 'work' if you prefer ) on any piece of hardware you through at it that belongs to a supported chipset family. This SHOULD mean much simpler out of the box installs for people adding windows to their tab on their own accord.
Sure, it's not going to be a solution for EVERYONE, but there is definitely good reason to release it.
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FCs are NOWHERE near as bad as BSODs... and they're pretty uncommon in a well built Android implementation...
As to apps, I wouldn't get your hopes too high, as I mentioned above this is likely aimed at servers which don't need "Office", and even IF it does show you can bet that there are going to be TONs of apps that just never get ARM versions. I expect this to end up like M$' last experiement in non-x86 arch, i.e. a dismal failure.
M$ is just grasping at straws now as it slowly withers away.
First off, let me say I love AOSP. I also used Mac's exclusively from 1984 to 1991. I'm no fan of apple's closed ecosystem, however. Although I primarily use Windows-based systems, I always maintain a dual-boot with Linux.
I think Microsoft gets bashed way too much these days. The BSOD reference, although funny, isn't really fair. Win7 is a solid operating system and their Mobile7 OS looks very good too.
What really attracts me to AOSP is nearly identical to what got me to switch from apple to PCs (i.e. Microsoft OS) back in 1991--the inherent flexibility of the OS. No doubt Microsoft is in a tough position these days, but I just hate to see them get bashed unfairly--they've done a LOT of stuff right, and continue to do innovative stuff (Kinect, Mobile7).
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First off, let me say I love AOSP. I also used Mac's exclusively from 1984 to 1991. I'm no fan of apple's closed ecosystem, however. Although I primarily use Windows-based systems, I always maintain a dual-boot with Linux.
I think Microsoft gets bashed way too much these days. The BSOD reference, although funny, isn't really fair. Win7 is a solid operating system and their Mobile7 OS looks very good too.
What really attracts me to AOSP is nearly identical to what got me to switch from apple to PCs (i.e. Microsoft OS) back in 1991--the inherent flexibility of the OS. No doubt Microsoft is in a tough position these days, but I just hate to see them get bashed unfairly--they've done a LOT of stuff right, and continue to do innovative stuff (Kinect, Mobile7).
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M$ is getting what they deserve.
I'll admit that Windows 7 is much better than Vista, but my only use for Windows is for games that won't run under wine.
BSOD: Android equivalent would actually be a kernel panic...
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FCs are NOWHERE near as bad as BSODs... and they're pretty uncommon in a well built Android implementation...
As to apps, I wouldn't get your hopes too high, as I mentioned above this is likely aimed at servers which don't need "Office", and even IF it does show you can bet that there are going to be TONs of apps that just never get ARM versions. I expect this to end up like M$' last experiement in non-x86 arch, i.e. a dismal failure.
M$ is just grasping at straws now as it slowly withers away.
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Quite frankly, BSOD is often just as bad as a FC for me. For me at least, when something force closes the whole system is starting to act slow and choppy. I end up having to reboot anyway.
I find many user experience to be subjective as far as BSOD goes anyway. Honestly, I can count on two hands the number of times I have had a BSOD since I stopped running win98(with the exception being when I had bad ram). Half of these were do to me testing win7& vista release candidates. The rest were due to my own errors with raid drivers.
I'm curious to see what happens with this initiative though. It is difficult to imagine where exactly they will draw the line between Windows Mobile and windows "lite" or whatever they call the new version. I wouldn't be surprised if they get in over their heads and change their development path to the likes of apple/android and expand the mobile platform to these "light" computer architectures.
At the end of the day, I dont think I want a tablet that needs a virus scanner
Didn't see this anywhere, if it is sorry. This would be awesome though. I love android but ububtu if done correctly would be awesome.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-linux-heads-to-smartphones-tablets-and-smart-tvs/9834
(let's hope a couple of trolls don't jack this thread with "let's hope they don't steal from apple like android" or some other android hater rants.)
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I'm interested in this too!
That could be interesting. I'm a long time Ubuntu user but I recently stopped using it due to Gnome 3 / Unity- really not my cup of tea. I remember thinking at the time that it was better suited to smaller screens/tablets, so maybe that was the plan all along
Don't know how close android is to linux, think it uses a linux kernel, but it would be awesome if it could use android apps like I think blackberry's playback.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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Of course.
I am already trying to get Ubuntu (console version) running on my already existing mobile phones.
For phones they would need to create a suitable gui and phone apps of course (phone book, dialer, etc.). Could be nice.
Don't see Ubuntu on my smartphone but it'll be awesome to install it on tablet.
This looks awesome! I can't wait to see the final product.
Looks nice, a good mobile Linux build not made by Nokia... Epic. I know many who want a real Linux phone.
Kailkti said:
I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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i hate ubuntu 11.10.
and ubuntu would be cool on a phone. they would have to cut a deal with a phone company in order to do it, however. and HTC, samsung, LG... etc... they are already running a linux OS with android. it will be a long time before it is mainstream, and it would not have google supporting it (which would obviously have pros and cons) but i would stick with android simply because it is what i am used to at this point. ubuntu is more of a developer platform and it would basically just be bare bones on a phone. no market, hardly any apps, etc... it wouldn't give me the same experience i would want on a phone.
Kailkti said:
I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
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I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
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I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
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Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
Me too that is what open source is about anyway.
Kailkti said:
Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
neuTrue said:
I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
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Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
Kailkti said:
Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
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Well, good luck in whatever you pick
bagers said:
And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
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There's so much fail in this post. OS's are dependent on supported hardware, so you'll never have total freedom on OS choice. Bootloaders are always opened up within a month or two of a device being released, private party or otherwise. And yes, you can "brick" your PC if you are a numbskull and improperly load an OS or wipe critical files, it's just much simpler to recover. Phones lack an external keyboard, cd-rom drives, etc, so loading external recovery media or getting to a recovery point is more difficult.
FYI: One reason why carriers don't like users messing with mobile devices is because the majority are on contract extensions, so basically you pay a lowered subsidized cost on the phone in return for your business. This means that they have a vested financial interest in your mobile device. PC's, you buy outright. You don't go under contract to buy a new PC (except for credit card or financing, but they don't care what you buy, you just need to pay back).
As far as Ubuntu mobile, it's a great idea, but it's a pipe dream for at least the next 5 years. There's just too little support and mainstream use for that, and you have Ubuntu backing it, not "household" names like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. PC's is a completely different target market than mobile devices.
more recent ubuntu isn't coded for armv6 but runs on armv7.
I read anything from lucid on up is only for armv7 or better.
my armv6 optimus v does a lovely job of running the full desktop armel debian squeeze (or sid) in a chroot; it just needs hardware drivers to straight-up boot debian instead of running it with android at the same time.
it wouldn't be that hard to release it as a mobile os, except for the proprietary drivers on all the different phones and tablets.
i hope we can install it on older WinMo hardware
As many of you probably know from the coverage at CES, a slew of manufacturers are coming out with Windows 8 laptops that will double as tablets too. For instance, Sony has a model in the making where the screen slides down to become essentially a tablet. Another one is Lenovo, with a laptop where the screen turns all the way around to become a tablet. The one and only problem with these offerings is Windows 8. Sure, I welcome Windows 8 as a laptop OS, I've always used Windows. But when it comes to a phone/tablet OS, I don't really find any Windows offering that intriguing. I dread the thought of leaving Android and ending up with two seperate OS's and sets of apps and such on my phone and tablet. I'm sure as heck not moving to a windows phone anytime soon either.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/9/26...o-tablet-prototypes-future-windows-8-hardware
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/9/26...-windows-8-laptop-that-bends-backwards-into-a
So my questions are, do you guys think some devs will find a way to dual boot Android onto some of these devices? What will you buy for your phone, laptop, and tablet? I've read a few articles where some manufacturers are going to ship out their devices with BOTH Android and Windows 8, but I can't seem to find where I read that, and I don't believe any of the big name manufacturers were the ones doing it.
Android will at least be able to run in a virtual box, likely more. However, android's presence in the tablet market is... Underwhelming at best.
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Android will at least be able to run in a virtual box, likely more. However, android's presence in the tablet market is... Underwhelming at best.
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But right now, Windows 8 looks like a bastard child as a tablet OS. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll have to wait and see until it can be auditioned in person. The fact of the matter is that Android has most the market share for phones. People are going to want the same OS on their tablet for the sake of simplicity and not having to learn a whole new OS and buy a whole new set of apps. I'm hoping some of the big names catch on and send the devices with both Android and Win8. That would be a win-win for both the manufacturer and consumer IMO.
I'm looking forward to seeing what android can do once there's more ICS tablets as far as an ecosystem goes, I still think there's a lot of games and programs that they'll lack opposed to the 15+ years of PC games. I'm shocked that there's not a WoW client for android. Despite disliking WoW, it's not very resource heavy and it is massively popular.
I'm still convinced in the end, Win8 will be a hit.
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I'm still convinced in the end, Win8 will be a hit.
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I'm excited to have it on my laptop, but I'm not so sure about on a tablet. I hate the thought of having two seperate OS's on my phone and tablet. Viewsonic made a tablet about a year ago that shipped with the ability to dualboot into win7 and android. I hope Sony and others go for that idea...
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tested win8 in a vm from my point of view is the worst windows os yet...
2020legig said:
tested win8 in a vm from my point of view is the worst windows os yet...
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I don't think they can do worst than Vista
The introduction of the Tablet and the continued development of the phone has given consumers more choice, but has also led to more name confusion.
The Tablet is like a Net-book without a keyboard and is a good name because it doesn't include the name of any particular device or application. For example, you can use a Tablet for making phone calls or taking pictures without having to call it a phone or a camera. A Tablet can be any size, for the name just describes the shape and not it's use, though it is generally accepted as being a multi-function device. So keyboard less smart phones can be called Tablets.
Adding a detachable keyboard to a Tablet makes it better for those applications where a keyboard and extra battery and Ports are useful .
So given these extra choices the consumer has to decide which suits them best.
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tested win8 in a vm from my point of view is the worst windows os yet...
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How can anything be worse than Windows ME? My machine I got when ME came out blue screened right out of the box and needed to be restored. ^_^
I think it really depends on the productivity software available for Android and iOS when Windows 8 tablets/laptops start rolling out. I'm running into a lot of people who want to use tablets instead of laptops for their on-the-go work/computing needs.
Really not feeling Windows 8 at all, I think it'll struggle to outdo 7.
However, there will always be people who jump to get the "latest and greatest" software/hardware so I'm sure it'll do fine
Somewhere I read you could turn off the metro style (tiles) of windows 8. But let's face it, touch integration is the way for the future and I read laptops are moving towards both touch screen with the keyboard and trackpad with optional mouse. But to the user referring to tablets attached to keyboard docks. I think these will be much more than that. I think they will have more power than let's say an Asus transformer with a keyboard dock (glorified netbook). Thus I think these will lean more toward the laptop end, just thinner. At least that's what I hope.
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