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The best next-gen OS for hacking/technophiles- Goodbye WinMo6.5

Now with the advent of "Windows Phone 7" it seems the hackers/technophile/cooks choice of os, the venerable "Windows Mobile 6.5" is entering the realm of obscolesence as did the classic Palm OS.
It's a shame as support and app development for 6.5 is already getting pretty scarce as everyone jumps to new OSes. Granted that 6.5 is an aging system based on an even older base, but at least it does what I want it to do.
The new version 7 seems like version 1 of iOS and seems like a revolutionary new system but at the same time a big step backwards in functionality, at least what I am used to with 6.5. I got hooked on WinMo with it's seamless Outlook integration and amazing customizability. Android is great but it is plugged into Google and their services but if you don't use them then it is a pain. Blackberry is nice, built on top of WinMo's Activesync idea with Exchange server, but ultimately far too simple for my phone needs.
Anyhow I have relegated myself to accepting the death of my phone OS of choice, but I am unsure which OS should be my next one of choice. Handsets aside because nowadays there are very similar form factors for each OS, save for the ever fixed iPhone.
So what do you guys think, what is the next OS of choice post WinMo 6.5?
edit:I forgot to add webOS to the list, could the mods add it please?

I'd be inclined to say Maemo 5 or WebOS.
I'm pretty sure WebOS even tells you in the instruction manual how to root it! But it could be on par with Android.
As for Maemo, there is a large, clever developer scene there.

khsbenny said:
I'd be inclined to say Maemo 5 or WebOS.
I'm pretty sure WebOS even tells you in the instruction manual how to root it! But it could be on par with Android.
As for Maemo, there is a large, clever developer scene there.
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Maemo looks very interesting, but is it really suited to put onto my phone? Seems more geared towards internet or multimedia devices rather than actually on a phone.
Is there a place where you can find builds for HTC Phones?

maemo is good for technies.
the ultimate solution for geeks(but only for them) is neo freeruner though

WM in any version
possibilities are infinite

orb3000 said:
WM in any version
possibilities are infinite
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So you are not counting "Windows Phone" OS as Windows Mobile right?

Yes I am, in other words WM or WP but will stick to Windows (at least for a year or so, later will see...)

In a year or so I plan on switching to either Android or WebOS, depending on the handsets out at the time. Maemo also looks pretty good. I'm over windows mobile now, mostly I want a phone thats perfectly reliable in every curcumstance and has better battery life. I like customisation but I would go without it if it was necessary. What I will miss is the stylus, I like to scribble out notes on the run.

phony said:
So what do you guys think, what is the next OS of choice post WinMo 6.5?
edit:I forgot to add webOS to the list, could the mods add it please?
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For customization and functionality? I would say Maemo probably tops the list in sheer potential, but frankly, I would advocate Android for pragmatism. Android has a much larger developer base (which includes the XDA forums here), it is much more established and has a larger app library, and, more importantly, it has the strong support of Google.

[Q] WP7 port to Captivae possible?

I know this post is coming out a little prematurely, but I couldn't help but notice that the Samsung Focus and the Samsung Captivate are identical phones... not only are they identical but they are running on the same network (modem drivers and such would be the same) ... does anyone know if this port would be possible?

They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.

Why is everyone so hyped about WP7? Doesnt anyone remember how lame windows mobile was? Everytime I see someone post about WP7 its like its going to revolutionize smartphones. Theres not much they can do that already isnt being done. WP7....so lame. And it looks like ATT is trying to jump on that ship first and offer a big selection of handsets at launch....go figure. At least they got something right and got one of the best android phones available for now. Its not great out of the box but with all the roms and mods on XDA its starting to show some real potential.

Smallsmx3 said:
Why is everyone so hyped about WP7?.
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Have to disagree here. Windows Phone 7 is a completely different beast than WM 6 or 6.5. You can't compare the two. Different UIs, different use cases, different applications and core technologies. Everyone's hyped because it seems Microsoft might have finally done something right when it comes to mobile devices. Every tech journalist I've heard talk about their preview WP7 devices has been very happy. And as someone who picked an Android phone because I wanted a choice in how I use it, the possibility of WP7 running on it just adds one more choice.

Why on earth would you ever want a car that's not colored black?
Sending a rocket ship to the moon is preposterous!
Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
I love it when people shoot down ideas without thinking it through to all possible conclusions beyond their own.
I wouldn't mind seeing WP7 getting ported some day. Choices are good.

multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.

hashish16 said:
multi-boot Android, WP7, and IOS4.... Sound kind of cool to me.
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Just add a good DOS emulator (I know DOSBox was being ported some day) in that list and I'll be totally excited.

Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.

And linux, unix, posix apps belongs on them even less. Oh, wait...
Stop trying to start Fanboy discussions and OS flame wars. Do you run your phone completely in Terminal? Do you expect a WP7 device to have a start button on the screen? Get viruses? Blue Screen?
Each platform has merits and competition is a good thing in almost every case. Choice on a device designed for one platform being able to run another offers bragging rights for the developers and gives more power back to the community.

I'm for the phone that gives me what I want it to do and the freedom to do it.
IOS = locked into the iWorld of iTunes, extreme DRM, and I can only use the device.
Android = the freedom I wanted at a price. Custom flashing ROMS to even get my device to work as intended. But I can do whatever I want with it and don't have to worry about DRM.
WP7 = locked into the M$ world. Again I think it will be highly restrictive on what you can do. I'm sure there will be people (here on XDA) that will hack it.. but it will still be Windows for your phone - and therefore limited.
I'll stick with my single boot Android device - Although it would have that "nerdy cool factor" to have multiple OS's to boot my phone into... I'd rather have one working OS than 2 or 3 that were buggy as hell.

This has been gone over to death, Will it happen?.....Maybe. Will it be soon I dought it. I left WM for Android due to seeing the road M$ was going down with WP7. I have yet to lay Judgment on WP7 till I can get some hands on time with it but to tell the truth I dont see it being an option for me personally as I hot swap SD cards all time due to diff projects, Class, Work, Music...ect. The inability to do so with WP7 is just a deal breaker for me, not to mention no ETA on copy and past. I see WP7 as an early version of IOS, locked in to many ways while they try to get base functions to work right.

Nobody will ever need or want more than 1 MB of RAM on their computer.
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LOL...once upon a time I had a computer with a 2 gig HDD...I told a friend of mine "There's no way I'll EVER fill this up!!"

sremick said:
Windows (and the Windows/Microsoft mentality, design-philosophy and school-of-thought) belong on cell phones even less than it belongs on desktop PCs.
For the love of all that is sane and proper, let cell phones be the clean slate which allow us to break free from Microsoft inertia and influence. Let the handful of remaining Microsoft fanboys fondle their WP7 phones and Zunes while the rest of us move forward.
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Microsoft being the maker of WP7 has almost nothing to do with Microsoft Windows. How much of Mac OS do you see in the iPhone? Just because someone doesn't like Mac does not mean they will hate the iPhone.

I was thinking this too...
Hardware agnostic smartphones... I wrote about it over at my blog TheProfessorNotes
Excerpt: Since the start of the smartphone experience, the hardware and the operating system have been so tightly integrated that one is hard to distinguish from the other. This started as far back as the Springboard Sprint phone hardware attachment for the Handspring Visor, and continues today with the Windows 7 phones, the iPhone and in reality the Android phone. But what if the phones (hardware) and the soul of the phones, the mobile OS’s, could be separated?

emuneee said:
They are not identical phones. Samsung's WP7 devices (the Focus and Omnia7) use Qualcomm's Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Galaxy S series uses Samsungs 1GHz Hummingbird processor. I'm guessing we would need WP7 drivers before we could port anything. But even with that, I bet there are other hardware differences.
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Did they prove that the Focus has a snapdragon? I knew the Omina7 did, but the last spec sheet i saw said the Focus was unknown. It would still be a pretty darn close match with the graphics being the only potential problem....

Everyone keeps bashing on Microsoft but I see no problem with them? I'm currently on Windows 7 and I can customize the daylights out of it. So, is there really a problem?
Besides, Windows 7 is going to be a serious gaming platform, as this is Microsoft's entry into the mobile gaming world. So...the most powerful phone out...with a gaming OS...sounds like a major win to me!

I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*

sschrupp said:
I'm just a little shocked to hear some people that use Android, meant to enable freedom to the user, say that our Android phones shouldn't be allowed to run other software that's not Android.
That simply baffles the mind.
"I don't like Microsoft, therefore nobody else should be able to run Microsoft products on their Android phones even though it will in no way affect the usage of my own phone."
*sigh*
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I'll drink to that

The hardest part would be getting the hummingbird processor to work with the windows 7 platform. I wouldn't mind a dual boot phone though. Android/wm7/ios.
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WP7 OS requires a hardware PVK chip on-board in-order to function at all. That will be the hardest part. Even the ppl hacking HTC HD2 can only get it to operate in DEMO only mode because of the lacking of that chip.

Why WP7 on HD2 ? I would rather have WinMo 6.5 on HTC 7 pro ...

Hello World,
I really don't understand why, but I know there are some people that want WP7 on their "old" devices like HD2 and that some great gurus on XDA are working hard to do it
Yet personally I just hate WP7 and I would like to know if the opposite initiative exists or would be possible : I would like to have good old WinMo 6.5 on newer hardware
I'd love to have something with at least 1 ghz horsepower like HD2, a big capacitive screen but also with a hardware keyboard like desire Z or HTC 7 pro ... running WinMo.
Do you know if there are some hacking attempts to make work wm 6.5 on new devices designed for wp7 or android ?
Cheers,
Nibbler.

Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.

There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.

z33dev33l said:
Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
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i think you will find android is just as able to launch a diffrent os .... linux based os's like ubuntu can be easly launched from android

Linux on top of linux isnt that impressive... and linux itself is kinda a letdown as is. I mean I know that its capable of a bunch of cool additional features but just like android you have to tinker with it for forever before it's usable.

uberamd said:
There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.
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Give it time and I'm sure there will be plenty of people you can swap with

Old?
LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device
I prefer Leo because I can switch between Android and WM and soon with WP7 and that´s the freedom I want on a phone.
Doubt WP7 will have the option to load WM but if I´m wrong probably then and only then I should consider it.

I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !
Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.

z33dev33l said:
Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
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I agree with you on both points : WM is the most versatile mobile OS ... and yes most of the time you have to tweak it a lot. Yet from my point of view, WM as a core and some graphical user friendly interface above like Sense gives to the user "the best of the two worlds" : a powerful and tweakable machine but also user friendly out of the box
orb3000 said:
Old?
LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device
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I've also double quoted "Old" in my post
DavidinCT said:
I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !
Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.
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Definitely

Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more

Just to try to clarify my thought :
even if certainly difficult, would it be possible or totally unthinkable to "cross-flash" let's say a tweaked HD2 rom, with some touch pro 2 keyboard drivers cooked inside, over a HD7pro or Desire Z machine if the hardware between HD2 and HD7pro/Desire Z are quite similar ?

orb3000 said:
Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more
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I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7
Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community
What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice ) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying

orb3000 said:
Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more
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One day working with WP7 on a hacked device gives you a firm base to run a compare of the two? I don't think so mate, that would be poor journalism at best.

Lord.Nibbler said:
I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7
Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community
What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice ) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying
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Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.

The reason for this is ......... just because.
The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.
Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.
I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.

Probably the reason is WM6.5 is pretty much dead, and WP7 isn't. You aren't going to see any new apps or new development for WM6.5. All the latest apps are going to be for iPhone, Android, and WP7.
It's kind of a shame, I think 6.5 seems quite fluid and finger-friendly on my Touch Diamond running Energy ROM. However, none of the games and apps I have for iPhone and Android are available for WM6.5.

z33dev33l said:
Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.
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Just two points :
- In fact uglier or not uglier is just a matter of taste, so I wont argue on that even if I found the WP7 interface horrible ... The real point that is really ugly is that fact that m$ is becoming dictatorial and decided to prevent people to have the right to change it or customize it to suit their needs Personally I will never pay for an OS that will prevent me to do what I want to do. The OS must suit my needs, not the contrary
- And as for the tweaking ... if you take a phone like the HD2 WM+Sense, you have a pretty good power over user friendliness balance, certainly far far better than any of the WP7 devices...

zedd_D1abl0 said:
The reason for this is ......... just because.
The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.
Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.
I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.
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I think you've maybe misunderstood me : I don't ask "why HD2 ?" because I also think it is by far the best smartphone on the market even today or why hacking which is more and more logical and legitimate when major companies try to restrict features as much as possible just to try to sell you a shiny new new revolutionary "copy & paste" upgrade a few month later...
My point is : for now I won't change my HD2, I don't think that I will find a better phone on the market in the near future...
I mean, hardware is improving and some really nice 1 ghz+ sliding keyboard like HD7 pro will be soon available... but for me WP7 is just a wobbly dumbphone OS that will prevent me to buy such phone.
But HD2 won't last forever ... so I was just trying to know if there would be a chance that the creativity of the xda gurus could be orientated to try to keep alive WM on newer hardware, as m$ certainly won't do it, as it is more profitable for them to push forward Wobbly Phone 7

GnatGoSplat said:
Probably the reason is WM6.5 is pretty much dead, and WP7 isn't. You aren't going to see any new apps or new development for WM6.5. All the latest apps are going to be for iPhone, Android, and WP7.
It's kind of a shame, I think 6.5 seems quite fluid and finger-friendly on my Touch Diamond running Energy ROM. However, none of the games and apps I have for iPhone and Android are available for WM6.5.
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And it's even better on a HD2 than on a diamond
The fact is that even if WM6.5 is dying ... there are still a lot more apps on WM6.5 than WP7 and you also find apps on WM that you won't find on Android or iPhone.
And developers are stopping to develop on WM6.5 because they think that there is no future...
But maybe if WP7 sales are very low, and power users still try to keep alive WM6.5 and show that they won't accept this forced regression ... maybe m$ will change their minds and they will give us back some power features, customisation and compatibility with WM6.5. After all, WP7 core is still windows CE based so it is just an artificial and arbitrary tie up.

They ditched all the easy access for a UI that's not terrible without a stylus. Fair trade in my opinion. I like 6.5 but I didn't like building up my hd2 with custom everything before I could call it functional. Complain about c & p all you want I never used it. I did however use the keyboard, the menus, the dialer, the SMS programs, email integration, etc. None of which could be considered useful if even functional on 6.5. I'll take an os i don't have to mod to make it awesome over one i can mod in a number of ways any time.

[Q] WP7 downgrade to WM 6.x

I've been asking for this question for sometime, but maybe here I can get an answer.
The thing is that I do like this piece of hardware, but WP7 is just not working for me. It feels to me like I have a phone that is limited only to functions that I could have with 10 year old phone, or like having NOKIA 1400.
It's locked phone, limited to basic phone-mail-facebook functions. Apps are rubbish.
Instead of WP7, having WM 6.x on this phone would be great. So, is there a way to downgrade to WM 6.x?

if you own a HD2 it is possible to rollback to win 6.5, but on a native win phone 7 device it's not possible

But, if HD2 can switch to WM, why is impossible for other native WP7 devices to downgrade? Can it be possible to make dualboot?

mendoza1 said:
But, if HD2 can switch to WM, why is impossible for other native WP7 devices to downgrade? Can it be possible to make dualboot?
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Use Omia 7 love dowgrade to wm 6.xx love ... love... pls!

mendoza1 said:
But, if HD2 can switch to WM, why is impossible for other native WP7 devices to downgrade? Can it be possible to make dualboot?
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Because HD2 isn't a native WP7 device.
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airwa1kin7 said:
Because HD2 isn't a native WP7 device.
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Well DA! I do know that HD2 is native WM6, but if it is manageable for HD2 to switch from one to another, than similarity in some aspects do exist. I do refer to that similarity as a starting point for downgrading form WP7 to WM6.x.
Can a fact that it is possible to upgrade from WM to WP help in developing it's downgrade?

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Well DA! I do know that HD2 is native WM6, but if it is manageable for HD2 to switch from one to another, than similarity in some aspects do exist. I do refer to that similarity as a starting point for downgrading form WP7 to WM6.x.
Can a fact that it is possible to upgrade from WM to WP help in developing it's downgrade?
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the only way to do that is if the bootloders on wp7 devices are hacked and modefide to acsept difrent os's
but i think you need to stay with this device a litle longer
imho it has the best UI for a mobile device out there
as for the apps that will come in time...
for exsample all i ever wanted from wp7 was a proper multy protocol messenger and now we have it IM+ rocks
also as soon as mango hits you wont be complaining as much cos most of the apps will be getting more functionality then the other oses put together... and i dont even want to know what MS has in store for the next upgrade
so my edvice is sit tight cos its gona be a wild ride from here on out... i just hope you have a non carier branded phone

Like lathera said, it's a bootloader thing. HD2 has HardSPL, which is a hacked bootloader that allows flashing of unsigned ROM's. Plus it has a user made bootloader over that to allow flashing of ROM for other OS's. The bootloader is highly tied into the OS. It's not to say it can't happen, it'd just take a developer(s) to complete these tasks to make it possible.

Windows Phone 7 is not for people who like to keep on playing, flashing with their devices. I have Android now and thats all you do. You waste your time with playing around (launchers, custom roms etc) and one day you get tired of it. I just want an OS that works and not an OS that i have to tweak to make it work.
If you want Windows Mobile 6.5 you have to get an HD2. Good luck with that and soon you will realize how crappy it is.

i just cant understand how can u preffer windows mobile 6.5 over windows phone 7.. hell.. the support on windows mobile 6.5 is till tomorrow.. and besides i doubt that anyone would want to develop a bootloader to run 6.5. that OS is so "past tuesday" it's and old thing that will remain only on pocket pc (like my Motorola Symbol).. which has 6.1 by the way, and it lack simple fuctionality like kinetic scrolling.. not the mention the SUPER UGLY interface.. but afterall it's your choice..

Yes, I do realize that WM is so last Friday. But feeling is claustrophobic when running WP7, it is all locked up.
I do consider to switch to HD2, but in the mean time there is no harm in asking around about future prospects for WP7.
There are a number of things that I miss in WP7, and it made me to consider switching back to the WM6. The moust obvious reasons are numerous apps that became essential over the time for me, settings that could be changed, smartphone dial, file explorer, support for various file types (not just basic multimedia extensions)... Don't see what is last Tuesday in that, mate.

lathera said:
the only way to do that is if the bootloders on wp7 devices are hacked and modefide to acsept difrent os's
but i think you need to stay with this device a litle longer
imho it has the best UI for a mobile device out there
as for the apps that will come in time...
for exsample all i ever wanted from wp7 was a proper multy protocol messenger and now we have it IM+ rocks
also as soon as mango hits you wont be complaining as much cos most of the apps will be getting more functionality then the other oses put together... and i dont even want to know what MS has in store for the next upgrade
so my edvice is sit tight cos its gona be a wild ride from here on out... i just hope you have a non carier branded phone
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I'm running the latest Mango beta and it is much more functional; but it still seems to me that this platform is more about social networking than enterprise tasks.
That aside, how do I get IM+? I don't see it on the marketplace.
Finally, especially with good IM we need third party SIP support. I miss Swype terribly; these hundred words alone would have taken a fifth of the time on Swype.

Here is a link to IM+ http://www.freewarewp7.mobi/download-im-all-in-one-messenger.html

That's the bizarrest thing ever. I realize that WP7 is still missing a few features (nearly all of which are returning in Mango very shortly), but there is no way I'd ever go back to such an archaic OS as WM6 or even iOS

Good News
Dark Forces Team released HSPL for our WP7 devices
[DFT] HSPL / RSPL for HTC WP7 First Generation
so is it possible to flash WP6.5 to our WP7 devices?

mendoza1 said:
Yes, I do realize that WM is so last Friday. But feeling is claustrophobic when running WP7, it is all locked up.
I do consider to switch to HD2, but in the mean time there is no harm in asking around about future prospects for WP7.
There are a number of things that I miss in WP7, and it made me to consider switching back to the WM6. The moust obvious reasons are numerous apps that became essential over the time for me, settings that could be changed, smartphone dial, file explorer, support for various file types (not just basic multimedia extensions)... Don't see what is last Tuesday in that, mate.
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i agree.. not having smart dialing and the unability to download a simple mp3 file over the internet is really frustrating.. but hey i just saw that cotulla released HSPL for windows phone device.. no there's some light in the tunnel.. and it's not from the incoming train there just might be some possibility to put WM or any other OS to our Windows phones.. so i guess our phones (HTC) are about to pick up the torch from the HD2

lukmanhakim08 said:
Dark Forces Team released HSPL for our WP7 devices
[DFT] HSPL / RSPL for HTC WP7 First Generation
so is it possible to flash WP6.5 to our WP7 devices?
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No, that is for only flashing WP7 roms.
To get WM6.5 you would need the equivalent of MAGLDR on the HD2. Just get yourself an HD2 and then play with WM6.5, Android and WP7. Hardware is just as good as any wp7 handset.

It's not possible

goldbyte said:
It's not possible
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Everything is possible. Wait any months.

It's nice to see this topic alive, again.
Thanks everyone for the answers. It has been a while since this topic gave me hope for a better future if WP7 devices, but as time went by I have switched back to Windos Mobile 6.x device. It is a shame that this OS was, and is, a dissapointment, for me. Hardware that WP7 devices have, although exellent by all means, was shadowed by ill-made OS on the epic scale. I have enjoyed surfing the inernet on 7 PRO, but it was only that that was made for a highest grade, everything else (about software) was, and is, pure rubish.
Now, I have HD2, and although I miss real keyboard, I can manage to do my daily tasks as usual. Internet surfing experience is about 1/4 better on 7 PRO, but: Images on HD2 are better resolution (yes 7 PRO has 5MP camera, but it is far behind HD2s), much more programs and tools on standard ROM (which I use the most, and there for need), better file management, etc.
I do hope that it would be possible to install programs on to WP7 device, or, better yet, to have WM6 on WP7 device for it's own benefit. As the euphoria started with relasing WP7, on the start, and WP7 devices could be purhased anywhere, now the picture is all different, it is very hard to find a store with WP7 device.
And, for the conclusion, knowing WP7 and WM6, I wouldn't migrate to WP7 at all.
Best of all to ya!
Marry Christmas, and Happy New Year!

[Q] Which is better windows Phone 8 or Android?

Which is better windows Phone 8 or Android?

Depends what you want?
For simplicity and beauty as well as instant functionality, wp8
For complexity and personalisation as well as number of useful apps, android is great.
Just stay away from iOS unless you want to be patronised and bored soon after
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tofy4ever said:
Which is better windows Phone 8 or Android?
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I would say Android is great and has lots of customisation and most of the phones in the market come with android OS
wp8 is okay if you like to use your phone just for multimedia and calling and other stuff like windows stuff like XBL(XBoxLive)
Don't go for iOS as it has less customisation and the current iOS users are regretting having owned an iPhone
Blackberry is also a No Go unless you like BBM(But now bbm messenger is coming out for ios nd android as well so no point in buying BB devices)
cheers.

thank you
Your answer was very helpful

You should see the quote in my signature. It used to say windows mobile before the iPhone came out.
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I would suggest android..... BT mostly depends on ur use
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Both are amazing, hard to choose... Oí currently use android but I miss wp
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Android till i die!... but to each their own... we all have our own taste/preferences...
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if u like to spend a lot of cash on crap go for the iphone..,,my girlfriend has the windows nokia and wants to burn it.,,,android all the way....we wont even get into open source vs closed source......or sdcards....or lack there of....of going to jail for jail braking ur iphone...plus if u dont like the android you have now....spend 80-100$ and get different one....you have plenty of choices with android...try that with apple....but yea ok ....its what ever you prefer..?

tofy4ever said:
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Ironically enough, I prefer Android because it is the only smartphone OS that follows the Windows model. People forget, but Microsoft OS's were not the first for personal computers. Apple was actually several years ahead of the game. The reason IBM PCs and DOS/Windows took over the world is because they allowed you to run any hardware and software you wanted, which quickly led to huge amounts of choices for both platforms.
Fast forward to smartphones. Apple, in typical Apple form, launches a totally locked down, walled garden phone. Zero customization of hardware (can't even add a memory card or replace the battery), zero root/admin access to the OS, zero ability to run iOS on non-Apple hardware, and zero ability to really change anything at all about the OS.
One would have hoped that Microsoft would have come onto the scene and in typical Microsoft fashion started releasing an OS that:
Can be installed onto any existing phone provided the drivers for the phone are in the huge Windows driver store.
Allows users to be admins if they want, giving them the ability to change system files and otherwise tweak the OS as needed.
Allows you to upgrade whenever a new version of Windows Phone comes out, in the same way I can upgrade my PC whenever a new version of Windows comes out (I don't have to wait 12 months for manufacturuer "support").
Allows you to install the OS onto any phone regardless of age, as long as the hardware is capable of supporting it (so if I want to use a 4 year old phone I can, even if the hardware manufacturer doesn't go past 2 years).
Allowed hardware venders huge flexibility to create compatible hardware and drivers for Windows Phone OS.
Allows user to be admin if they want (yes, I know I'm repeating this), so that they can uninstall ANY application they want, and are not forced to endure manufacturer installed bloatware. Remember PC bloatware? You could uninstall that. Not so Samsung or Sprint phone bloatware, for example, because they are considered "system" software. That Sprint NASCAR app? Yep, can't uninstall completely without root, because it's "essential". LOL.
Instead, Microsoft has completely lost their way and abandoned every principle that made Windows so successful in the first place. Now they are just copying Apple, with walled garden, closed systems like the Surface Tablet and Nokia phones that won't let you expand storage, change batteries, install new versions of the OS when you want, run as admin, uninstall bloatware, etc.
So ironically, Android, despite its faults, such as not allowing root/admin access to everyone, is nevertheless wiping the floor in marketshare, because it is following most of the original Microsoft principles of open systems rather than walled gardens. It allows for massive hardware variety, the OS is open enough that you can customize it and throw different mods onto phones, you can gain root access and you can uninstall bloatware too . So in my opinion, Android is the better platform by far, because it's following the Microsoft way. (And if you look at the market share of phones, Samsung, which follows the Microsoft way with hardware by allowing SD cards and battery replacements, is also by far the most successful. It pays to be flexible and open).
One other note: Android is the only platform where you can run a phone for four years and still have basically the latest and greatest. I'm rocking a Samsung Galaxy S2 with Android 4.4.4 Kitkat because I can install CyanogenMod onto my phone, even though Samsung abandoned the phone after two years. That's not going to happen with Windows Phone. The manufacturer will abandon you after two years, and you won't be able to install the new version of Windows Phone onto your hardware, even if your hardware is fast enough. That's another point in favor of Android.

damn dude...well put!

It also depends If you are interested in changing your ROM or in general changing your mobile phone. Then take android. Otherwise if you are interested in a beautiful design then use w8