Hello World,
I really don't understand why, but I know there are some people that want WP7 on their "old" devices like HD2 and that some great gurus on XDA are working hard to do it
Yet personally I just hate WP7 and I would like to know if the opposite initiative exists or would be possible : I would like to have good old WinMo 6.5 on newer hardware
I'd love to have something with at least 1 ghz horsepower like HD2, a big capacitive screen but also with a hardware keyboard like desire Z or HTC 7 pro ... running WinMo.
Do you know if there are some hacking attempts to make work wm 6.5 on new devices designed for wp7 or android ?
Cheers,
Nibbler.
Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.
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Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
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i think you will find android is just as able to launch a diffrent os .... linux based os's like ubuntu can be easly launched from android
Linux on top of linux isnt that impressive... and linux itself is kinda a letdown as is. I mean I know that its capable of a bunch of cool additional features but just like android you have to tinker with it for forever before it's usable.
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There are plenty of people, like myself, who would love to trade our HD2's for an HD7. Different strokes.
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Give it time and I'm sure there will be plenty of people you can swap with
Old?
LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device
I prefer Leo because I can switch between Android and WM and soon with WP7 and that´s the freedom I want on a phone.
Doubt WP7 will have the option to load WM but if I´m wrong probably then and only then I should consider it.
I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !
Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.
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Doubt it, WM is about the only OS versatile enough to launch a different OS altogether. I personally wouldnt touch 6.5 again with a 10 foot pole, I dont want to modify my phone for a week before it gains some functionality.
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I agree with you on both points : WM is the most versatile mobile OS ... and yes most of the time you have to tweak it a lot. Yet from my point of view, WM as a core and some graphical user friendly interface above like Sense gives to the user "the best of the two worlds" : a powerful and tweakable machine but also user friendly out of the box
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Old?
LOL, it´s funny how now we are used to call "old" to a year old device
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I agree, I would love to have the "option" to put 6.5 on a WP7 phone...just gota figure out that flash card thing !
Just because every app for 6.5 is not available for WP7 yet and won't be for a long time, basic stuff like RDC is not there yet and I need it.
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Definitely
Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
Read my article tomorrow in the Portal to know more
Just to try to clarify my thought :
even if certainly difficult, would it be possible or totally unthinkable to "cross-flash" let's say a tweaked HD2 rom, with some touch pro 2 keyboard drivers cooked inside, over a HD7pro or Desire Z machine if the hardware between HD2 and HD7pro/Desire Z are quite similar ?
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Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
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I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7
Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community
What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice ) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying
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Now that I´ve tested WP7 on my leo I must confess I prefer Windows Mobile
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One day working with WP7 on a hacked device gives you a firm base to run a compare of the two? I don't think so mate, that would be poor journalism at best.
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I also think WM is just 10000 better and more powerful than WP7
Personally I just don't understand why WP7 is making such a buzz ... and even inside the techno-geeks people community
What makes me sad it is not that m$ has made WP7 ... (if some people are willing to pay to have a uglier and not customizable OS with less features, it's after all their choice ) ... what makes me sad is that WM a much more capable and versatile OS is dying
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Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.
The reason for this is ......... just because.
The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.
Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.
I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.
Probably the reason is WM6.5 is pretty much dead, and WP7 isn't. You aren't going to see any new apps or new development for WM6.5. All the latest apps are going to be for iPhone, Android, and WP7.
It's kind of a shame, I think 6.5 seems quite fluid and finger-friendly on my Touch Diamond running Energy ROM. However, none of the games and apps I have for iPhone and Android are available for WM6.5.
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Eh, I agree except the uglier part. People for the most part arent members of XDA developers. Who wants a phone that you have to tweak for days before it becomes something functional? Maybe an XDA member. Who wants a phone that you still have to bust a stylus out sometimes to hit some menu options? Maybe an XDA member. I would trade all of that in any day for the most fluid UI, intelligent keyboard, and music interface on a phone to date.
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Just two points :
- In fact uglier or not uglier is just a matter of taste, so I wont argue on that even if I found the WP7 interface horrible ... The real point that is really ugly is that fact that m$ is becoming dictatorial and decided to prevent people to have the right to change it or customize it to suit their needs Personally I will never pay for an OS that will prevent me to do what I want to do. The OS must suit my needs, not the contrary
- And as for the tweaking ... if you take a phone like the HD2 WM+Sense, you have a pretty good power over user friendliness balance, certainly far far better than any of the WP7 devices...
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The reason for this is ......... just because.
The HTC HD2 is an awesome phone, that should be the basis of any number of other phones. Its very hackable, its stable, it works well, its epically user-friendly and it doesn't have any significant downsides. Its also very easy to change the bootloader on and we've seen the effectiveness of MAGLDR and other options.
Asking why is sort of like asking why Linux exists. It exists because its something people find useful and interesting. Some people find it awesome to hack, some find it great to use. Most don't know about it and never change their phone in any way.
I'm personally waiting to see iOS4 running on the HD2. That will be interestingly epic.
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I think you've maybe misunderstood me : I don't ask "why HD2 ?" because I also think it is by far the best smartphone on the market even today or why hacking which is more and more logical and legitimate when major companies try to restrict features as much as possible just to try to sell you a shiny new new revolutionary "copy & paste" upgrade a few month later...
My point is : for now I won't change my HD2, I don't think that I will find a better phone on the market in the near future...
I mean, hardware is improving and some really nice 1 ghz+ sliding keyboard like HD7 pro will be soon available... but for me WP7 is just a wobbly dumbphone OS that will prevent me to buy such phone.
But HD2 won't last forever ... so I was just trying to know if there would be a chance that the creativity of the xda gurus could be orientated to try to keep alive WM on newer hardware, as m$ certainly won't do it, as it is more profitable for them to push forward Wobbly Phone 7
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Probably the reason is WM6.5 is pretty much dead, and WP7 isn't. You aren't going to see any new apps or new development for WM6.5. All the latest apps are going to be for iPhone, Android, and WP7.
It's kind of a shame, I think 6.5 seems quite fluid and finger-friendly on my Touch Diamond running Energy ROM. However, none of the games and apps I have for iPhone and Android are available for WM6.5.
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And it's even better on a HD2 than on a diamond
The fact is that even if WM6.5 is dying ... there are still a lot more apps on WM6.5 than WP7 and you also find apps on WM that you won't find on Android or iPhone.
And developers are stopping to develop on WM6.5 because they think that there is no future...
But maybe if WP7 sales are very low, and power users still try to keep alive WM6.5 and show that they won't accept this forced regression ... maybe m$ will change their minds and they will give us back some power features, customisation and compatibility with WM6.5. After all, WP7 core is still windows CE based so it is just an artificial and arbitrary tie up.
They ditched all the easy access for a UI that's not terrible without a stylus. Fair trade in my opinion. I like 6.5 but I didn't like building up my hd2 with custom everything before I could call it functional. Complain about c & p all you want I never used it. I did however use the keyboard, the menus, the dialer, the SMS programs, email integration, etc. None of which could be considered useful if even functional on 6.5. I'll take an os i don't have to mod to make it awesome over one i can mod in a number of ways any time.
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Hi All
Been playing with Desire on weekend, and uderstood that WM 6 is totaly out of date, I loved Android from first hour of use it has a lots of programs in Android market with very eyecatching UI. Is there a possibility to have Android on HD2 ? I heard somewhere that in some countrys there is a 4G Android version of HD2.
Are there technical possibilitys for Android in HD2 in the future, or I need thinking of changing my LEO.
Thank for Any opinion
Martynas
hey next time use the search, from what i gather the soonest release would be in 6 months but its likely that the phone wouldn't be fully functional, for example the wifi or camera might not work some people see a year or so but only time will tell.
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You have been misinformed if you believe WM6.5 is out of date.
It is state of the art and has many benefits, especially when it is underneath the HTC sense interface.
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Hi All
Been playing with Desire on weekend, and uderstood that WM 6 is totaly out of date, I loved Android from first hour of use it has a lots of programs in Android market with very eyecatching UI. Is there a possibility to have Android on HD2 ? I heard somewhere that in some countrys there is a 4G Android version of HD2.
Are there technical possibilitys for Android in HD2 in the future, or I need thinking of changing my LEO.
Thank for Any opinion
Martynas
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You have been misinformed if you believe WM6.5 is out of date.
It is state of the art and has many benefits, especially when it is underneath the HTC sense interface.
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i hope that was your atempt at humor
fabian21 said:
i hope that was your atempt at humor
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so, please tell me, in which aspects is winmo 6.5.x out of date?
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i hope that was your atempt at humor
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Ok I don't know about state of the art but take a hit of the ROM in my signature. And to MartynasRex download 'openmarket' check out some of those Apps and games, well ive got a fair few off the games list in these forums that keep up with the iphone!
I wan't android too, and WM is indeed out of date... There are no Apps, you get everyday freezes, its out of date... Android have 50000 Apps, and it fast like a charm...
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I wan't android too, and WM is indeed out of date... There are no Apps, you get everyday freezes, its out of date... Android have 50000 Apps, and it fast like a charm...
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i think there are even more apps out for winmo than for iphone and android!
(unfortunately??) they're not concentrated at one single spot, like the appstore.
and what aspect makes winmo out of date?!
just saying "it's out of date" isn't a serious argument
I agree with WinMo 6.5 being way out of date, especially now compared to Android & Iphone. Winmo hides behind HTC Sense but if you strip that away its still just boring WinMo. WinMo 7 should be lots better though but I still get lots of fun out of my HD2, Loads of apps available to download from certain websites and you can play around with this thing to your hearts content, I mean I have flashed so many ROM's now its crazy but I love the fact I get to choose how my HD2 looks...... Be great to have android on this thing though.
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i thing you are right whit windows mobile is out of date . hd2 is great best ever for me , find your way try soft and trick on xda and you can make a perfect phone. you can also wait for evo 4g whit android but i think this phone is to big
the hd2 size are limit for bring on pocket . its a choice, many are happy whit iphone 3gs me after 2 days i sell mine i keep my omnia and wait for tmo hd2
and now i love hd2
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in which points is the iphone (android) superior to winmo? multitasking? customizability? look&feel? speed? features? extendibility? application-memory-limitation?
and once again the same old story. use forum search.
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in which points is the iphone (android) superior to winmo? multitasking? customizability? look&feel? speed? features? extendibility? application-memory-limitation?
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concerning what?
iphone (android) means "iphone and/or android"
I ACTUALLY PEFER WINDOWS 6.5 WITH HTC SENSE MORE THAN ANDRIOD O.S. TO BE HONEST THE ONLY REASON WHY I LIKE THE ANDRIOD IS THERE APPS. I LIKE THE HTC HD2 BECUZ I CAN MAKE THE PHONE JUST LIKE I WANT IT. I WANT A IPHONE LOCKSCREEN WITH A WINDOWS MOBILE 7 INTERFACE AND A PIC OF A WATER PIPE MAKING A WATER PIPE SOUND EVERYTIME I TURN ON MY PHONE WELL THATS JUST SICK AND ESPECIALLY PRETTY MUCH HAVENT SEEN A PHONE THAT IS SO CUSTOMIZABLE ITS CRAZY. I HAVE TO SAY I DONT LIKE THE GAMES SOME ARE TO IPHONE STANDARDS BUT MOST ARE LADY KAKA . LETS ALL ADMIT ITS REALLY NOT ABOUT SELLING THE FASTEST DOPEST HARDWARE ITS ACTUALLY THE SOFTWARE. PEOPLE BUY IPHONES WHY?? BECUZ THERE USER FRIENDLY BUT MAINLY THE APPS AND ACESS TO CONTENT. SAME THING WITH ANDRIOD PHONES. BOTTOM LINE IN THIS DAY AND AGE GIMICS OR NEW HARWARE FEATURES(CAMERA,VIDEO RECORDER,WIFI,) WONT WORK ANYMORE ITS HOW MANY APPS THAT ARE IN THERE VIRTUA STORE THAT SUIT YOUR NEEDS
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I wan't android too, and WM is indeed out of date... There are no Apps, you get everyday freezes, its out of date... Android have 50000 Apps, and it fast like a charm...
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Being Android user for about half year now, i can say it's crazy unskinable. And about apps i can say most of them are bull****, some wallpaper apps, puzzle and copycat apps of others. Also keep in mind that many of the apps are not working on every android, they give you constantly Force closes everytime.
But at the end it ain't bad os, but not superior. Winmo need's some small update of 6.5 with better system optimization of buttons for better finger experience.
Regards. Gjizaqin
@ gjizaqin You are a troll, sorry to deliver these bad news to you.
www.youtube.com/user/exclusivegslick
Go see how to use android the real way. Sub while you are at it, I'll allow your trolling there.
Btw android has over 55k apps and it already outsells iphone OS. Windows is outdated in every possible way, and until win 7 mobile releases they are dead at least in the US. Thx.
Please go and learn how to research before buying a product, then you wont buy a device and then start crying its "out of date" and be asking for another OS to be ported to it.
I would say WinMo is not as pretty and sometimes unstable. But it's only unstable because it can do so many things.
It would be cool to use Android on this though. I think Android is going to be too much for WinMo7 to overcome.
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Being Android user for about half year now, i can say it's crazy unskinable. And about apps i can say most of them are bull****, some wallpaper apps, puzzle and copycat apps of others. Also keep in mind that many of the apps are not working on every android, they give you constantly Force closes everytime.
But at the end it ain't bad os, but not superior. Winmo need's some small update of 6.5 with better system optimization of buttons for better finger experience.
Regards. Gjizaqin
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I tried two Android phones The Hero wich I sold and the Nexus One (still with me but will sell it very soon).
Android is Good,very good but in matter of applications and Especially Memory management WinMo beats it.
The HD2 is so much more customizable
I know theres a few of these threads,but also a lot of phones out there. my contract is up.currently got a blackstone want to upgrade. like the large screen and ability to customise. so looking for similar with lots of customisation. got sense on this so not really interested in hd2 if pretty much same as hd1? maybe even an Android os? also dont like the camera on my phone.so considering a Sony eric.or Samsung.any thoughts
my old man just got the Galaxy, i had a play with that over the weekend that's rather nice, and my friend has the X10 imo it sucks, as I understand with Android from my friend over the pond you cant really do half as much customising on Android as you can on WinMo i could be wrong,
Can´t compare Blackstone with Leo!
Leo is far away superior in all the fastest WM device to this date.
As for Android I would stick to HTC with WM
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How can he, when HTC aren't sticking with Windows Mobile?
I changed from WM to Android and haven't look back since. It's just better. Looking forward to seeing what WP7 brings to the table though. Not long now.
i did try loading android to my phone and it did look really nice, smoother. neater.
but didnt get to play with it too much as battery doesnt survive.
can android be customised like winmo?
i think most important for me is : i have tomtom on my HD, does android come with sat nav (for free) or will my tomtom work on it?
plus im looking for something that has a big screen, and it`ll keep me happy for 18mths at least, either with new improvements or new roms to be loaded and tried. new apps etc.
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How can he, when HTC aren't sticking with Windows Mobile?
I changed from WM to Android and haven't look back since. It's just better. Looking forward to seeing what WP7 brings to the table though. Not long now.
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Because WM gives me all that I need on my business/pleasure dialy usage, more solid, more mature OS is what I find on it, now waiting WP7 will make me stay out of Google Android hands for long time
Of course this is only my personal opinion
Now with the advent of "Windows Phone 7" it seems the hackers/technophile/cooks choice of os, the venerable "Windows Mobile 6.5" is entering the realm of obscolesence as did the classic Palm OS.
It's a shame as support and app development for 6.5 is already getting pretty scarce as everyone jumps to new OSes. Granted that 6.5 is an aging system based on an even older base, but at least it does what I want it to do.
The new version 7 seems like version 1 of iOS and seems like a revolutionary new system but at the same time a big step backwards in functionality, at least what I am used to with 6.5. I got hooked on WinMo with it's seamless Outlook integration and amazing customizability. Android is great but it is plugged into Google and their services but if you don't use them then it is a pain. Blackberry is nice, built on top of WinMo's Activesync idea with Exchange server, but ultimately far too simple for my phone needs.
Anyhow I have relegated myself to accepting the death of my phone OS of choice, but I am unsure which OS should be my next one of choice. Handsets aside because nowadays there are very similar form factors for each OS, save for the ever fixed iPhone.
So what do you guys think, what is the next OS of choice post WinMo 6.5?
edit:I forgot to add webOS to the list, could the mods add it please?
I'd be inclined to say Maemo 5 or WebOS.
I'm pretty sure WebOS even tells you in the instruction manual how to root it! But it could be on par with Android.
As for Maemo, there is a large, clever developer scene there.
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I'd be inclined to say Maemo 5 or WebOS.
I'm pretty sure WebOS even tells you in the instruction manual how to root it! But it could be on par with Android.
As for Maemo, there is a large, clever developer scene there.
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Maemo looks very interesting, but is it really suited to put onto my phone? Seems more geared towards internet or multimedia devices rather than actually on a phone.
Is there a place where you can find builds for HTC Phones?
maemo is good for technies.
the ultimate solution for geeks(but only for them) is neo freeruner though
WM in any version
possibilities are infinite
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So you are not counting "Windows Phone" OS as Windows Mobile right?
Yes I am, in other words WM or WP but will stick to Windows (at least for a year or so, later will see...)
In a year or so I plan on switching to either Android or WebOS, depending on the handsets out at the time. Maemo also looks pretty good. I'm over windows mobile now, mostly I want a phone thats perfectly reliable in every curcumstance and has better battery life. I like customisation but I would go without it if it was necessary. What I will miss is the stylus, I like to scribble out notes on the run.
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So what do you guys think, what is the next OS of choice post WinMo 6.5?
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For customization and functionality? I would say Maemo probably tops the list in sheer potential, but frankly, I would advocate Android for pragmatism. Android has a much larger developer base (which includes the XDA forums here), it is much more established and has a larger app library, and, more importantly, it has the strong support of Google.
Android has pretty much taken over the XDA-Portal
Everyday there are more and more posts about users who switched over from winmo to android.
I am planing on buying WP7 device, but my fear is I'll be one of few to do so, and as a result of this there will be little development going on for the device. I am a pretty die-hard windows fan so I hope they regain some popularity with WP7.
What does everyone think?
One thing will decide, microsoft wp7 ads.
sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
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I wouldn´t worry for that, despite Android is now "in fashion" as soon as WP7 arrives will happen the same
I am also looking forward WP7 I´m sure it will be a funny one too
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Android has pretty much taken over the XDA-Portal
Everyday there are more and more posts about users who switched over from winmo to android.
I am planing on buying WP7 device, but my fear is I'll be one of few to do so, and as a result of this there will be little development going on for the device. I am a pretty die-hard windows fan so I hope they regain some popularity with WP7.
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Dont worry if your WP7 device is lacking in WP development, Im sure there will be several ways and ROMs to run Android on it
haha, i dont want to run android on it!!!!!!!
dont get me wrong, its a great os, but i am a much bigger fan of windows
Can someone explain to me the "greatness" of WinMo? From what I've seen of it, it's terrible :<.
Then again, I've only seen 1 WinMo Phone and it was a weird one.
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Can someone explain to me the "greatness" of WinMo? From what I've seen of it, it's terrible :<.
Then again, I've only seen 1 WinMo Phone and it was a weird one.
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WM is great because of the amount of free software available for it and the openness of the OS. Yes many times the carriers do a lousy job of programming their version of the phone software but thats where the custom roms come in. Remeber iOS and Android are babies in the world of phone software. So most of the worst specs for an android phone are really good for WM. That being said take about any WM phone and hack it with a good stable custom rom and you will be amazed. I've seen many of hte new android phones and I can say I 'm not that impressed. I think its a great phone for people who aren't phone smart. Thats not saying you can't root it and do really cool things with it. But out of the box its pretty locked down. Unfortunately WP7 is going the way of android and iOS because of their success putting smart phones in normal non techies hands. But for the true techie WM is where its at. Hoped that helped. I fear owning my HD2 for years because all the new phones will be locked down like iphone.
hopefully this eases your concerns about lockdown
one of my great friends recevied their developers wp7 device just the other day and theyve already hacked deep into it, done a plethora of customizations and so on. with wp7 i think we will see more apps and such since they say it has lots of appeal to developers. weve got xda, so we hopefully will never have to face a locked down windows phone haha
i agree, if you are very phone smart, and want to get your phone the exact way you like it windows is where its at. they get a bad rep in the smartphone world only because there is a pretty big learning curve before you can truly dig into the device.
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dont get me wrong, its a great os, but i am a much bigger fan of windows
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Same here
Despite I´m testing droid on my Leo
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hopefully this eases your concerns about lockdown
one of my great friends recevied their developers wp7 device just the other day and theyve already hacked deep into it, done a plethora of customizations and so on. with wp7 i think we will see more apps and such since they say it has lots of appeal to developers. weve got xda, so we hopefully will never have to face a locked down windows phone haha
i agree, if you are very phone smart, and want to get your phone the exact way you like it windows is where its at. they get a bad rep in the smartphone world only because there is a pretty big learning curve before you can truly dig into the device.
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I've been seeing alot about this on other sites. Devs seem to want the os cause it's market is not filled to the brims so thier apps get lost. First ones out the gate wins kinda thing. I'm eager to see what happens, though I plan on replacing my two raph's with a captivate. I'm really not digging the multitasking in wp7.
The rumored specs for the HD3 has me very interested in WP7. 4.5" 1280x800 screen, 1.5ghz dual core, 1gb ram, 32gb mem. Depends on the Apps too. I really like the Android market more so than what WinMo has offered. I'm a diehard WinMo user, but after running Android on my HD2.... I've found myself using WinMo less and less and less.
edit: Does WP7 even allow 1280x800 screen res? hmm.
If you use Outlook (I do for both business and personal), the sync between PC and device using ActiveSync/WMDC is (although far from perfect) essential. Doing sync between Android devices and Outlook appears to require either 3rd party apps of variable reliability/ease and/or use of Google mail and calendar. If you're paranoid about your data (like me) and don 't want to use someone else to store it, that make WinMo about the only option. So I think the corporates will keep WinMo alive and XDA-dev will keep it interesting!
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If you use Outlook (I do for both business and personal), the sync between PC and device using ActiveSync/WMDC is (although far from perfect) essential. Doing sync between Android devices and Outlook appears to require either 3rd party apps of variable reliability/ease and/or use of Google mail and calendar. If you're paranoid about your data (like me) and don 't want to use someone else to store it, that make WinMo about the only option. So I think the corporates will keep WinMo alive and XDA-dev will keep it interesting!
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Amen and Halleluiah!
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WM is great because of the amount of free software available for it and the openness of the OS. Yes many times the carriers do a lousy job of programming their version of the phone software but thats where the custom roms come in. Remeber iOS and Android are babies in the world of phone software. So most of the worst specs for an android phone are really good for WM. That being said take about any WM phone and hack it with a good stable custom rom and you will be amazed. I've seen many of hte new android phones and I can say I 'm not that impressed. I think its a great phone for people who aren't phone smart. Thats not saying you can't root it and do really cool things with it. But out of the box its pretty locked down. Unfortunately WP7 is going the way of android and iOS because of their success putting smart phones in normal non techies hands. But for the true techie WM is where its at. Hoped that helped. I fear owning my HD2 for years because all the new phones will be locked down like iphone.
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I dunno, Android, even un-rooted seems pretty Open, i never had a problem with it being "Locked Down"
Could be interesting stuff between the release of Android 3.0 and WM7...
boborone said:
I've been seeing alot about this on other sites. Devs seem to want the os cause it's market is not filled to the brims so thier apps get lost. First ones out the gate wins kinda thing. I'm eager to see what happens, though I plan on replacing my two raph's with a captivate. I'm really not digging the multitasking in wp7.
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its important for everyone to know these 3 thing:
-WP7 will be sending ota updates to the phone directely from microsoft. these updates will improve performance in some cases, and add features in other cases. microsofts goal is to bypass the carrier and avoid all of the bs that comes with carriers.
- keeping this in mind, microsoft has two major updates scheduled ALREADY for release within the the first few months of the phones release. one update is the addition of copy and paste, the other is suppose to have something to do with multi tasking
-they intentionally left copy and paste out of launch so they could distribute it in an ota update.
the multitasking issue isnt a bad thing actually. you can run as many native apps as you want at the same time, you just cant run multiple third party apps at the same time. HOWEVER, lets say i am running a third party app (app1) then lets say i launch a second third party app (app2) app1's state will be saved and placed in the background on "pause" if you will, while app2 runs. if i relaunch app1 its last known state will be restored and app2 will go into pause.
I've been asking for this question for sometime, but maybe here I can get an answer.
The thing is that I do like this piece of hardware, but WP7 is just not working for me. It feels to me like I have a phone that is limited only to functions that I could have with 10 year old phone, or like having NOKIA 1400.
It's locked phone, limited to basic phone-mail-facebook functions. Apps are rubbish.
Instead of WP7, having WM 6.x on this phone would be great. So, is there a way to downgrade to WM 6.x?
if you own a HD2 it is possible to rollback to win 6.5, but on a native win phone 7 device it's not possible
But, if HD2 can switch to WM, why is impossible for other native WP7 devices to downgrade? Can it be possible to make dualboot?
mendoza1 said:
But, if HD2 can switch to WM, why is impossible for other native WP7 devices to downgrade? Can it be possible to make dualboot?
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Use Omia 7 love dowgrade to wm 6.xx love ... love... pls!
mendoza1 said:
But, if HD2 can switch to WM, why is impossible for other native WP7 devices to downgrade? Can it be possible to make dualboot?
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Because HD2 isn't a native WP7 device.
XDA Windows Phone 7 App
airwa1kin7 said:
Because HD2 isn't a native WP7 device.
XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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Well DA! I do know that HD2 is native WM6, but if it is manageable for HD2 to switch from one to another, than similarity in some aspects do exist. I do refer to that similarity as a starting point for downgrading form WP7 to WM6.x.
Can a fact that it is possible to upgrade from WM to WP help in developing it's downgrade?
mendoza1 said:
Well DA! I do know that HD2 is native WM6, but if it is manageable for HD2 to switch from one to another, than similarity in some aspects do exist. I do refer to that similarity as a starting point for downgrading form WP7 to WM6.x.
Can a fact that it is possible to upgrade from WM to WP help in developing it's downgrade?
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the only way to do that is if the bootloders on wp7 devices are hacked and modefide to acsept difrent os's
but i think you need to stay with this device a litle longer
imho it has the best UI for a mobile device out there
as for the apps that will come in time...
for exsample all i ever wanted from wp7 was a proper multy protocol messenger and now we have it IM+ rocks
also as soon as mango hits you wont be complaining as much cos most of the apps will be getting more functionality then the other oses put together... and i dont even want to know what MS has in store for the next upgrade
so my edvice is sit tight cos its gona be a wild ride from here on out... i just hope you have a non carier branded phone
Like lathera said, it's a bootloader thing. HD2 has HardSPL, which is a hacked bootloader that allows flashing of unsigned ROM's. Plus it has a user made bootloader over that to allow flashing of ROM for other OS's. The bootloader is highly tied into the OS. It's not to say it can't happen, it'd just take a developer(s) to complete these tasks to make it possible.
Windows Phone 7 is not for people who like to keep on playing, flashing with their devices. I have Android now and thats all you do. You waste your time with playing around (launchers, custom roms etc) and one day you get tired of it. I just want an OS that works and not an OS that i have to tweak to make it work.
If you want Windows Mobile 6.5 you have to get an HD2. Good luck with that and soon you will realize how crappy it is.
i just cant understand how can u preffer windows mobile 6.5 over windows phone 7.. hell.. the support on windows mobile 6.5 is till tomorrow.. and besides i doubt that anyone would want to develop a bootloader to run 6.5. that OS is so "past tuesday" it's and old thing that will remain only on pocket pc (like my Motorola Symbol).. which has 6.1 by the way, and it lack simple fuctionality like kinetic scrolling.. not the mention the SUPER UGLY interface.. but afterall it's your choice..
Yes, I do realize that WM is so last Friday. But feeling is claustrophobic when running WP7, it is all locked up.
I do consider to switch to HD2, but in the mean time there is no harm in asking around about future prospects for WP7.
There are a number of things that I miss in WP7, and it made me to consider switching back to the WM6. The moust obvious reasons are numerous apps that became essential over the time for me, settings that could be changed, smartphone dial, file explorer, support for various file types (not just basic multimedia extensions)... Don't see what is last Tuesday in that, mate.
lathera said:
the only way to do that is if the bootloders on wp7 devices are hacked and modefide to acsept difrent os's
but i think you need to stay with this device a litle longer
imho it has the best UI for a mobile device out there
as for the apps that will come in time...
for exsample all i ever wanted from wp7 was a proper multy protocol messenger and now we have it IM+ rocks
also as soon as mango hits you wont be complaining as much cos most of the apps will be getting more functionality then the other oses put together... and i dont even want to know what MS has in store for the next upgrade
so my edvice is sit tight cos its gona be a wild ride from here on out... i just hope you have a non carier branded phone
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I'm running the latest Mango beta and it is much more functional; but it still seems to me that this platform is more about social networking than enterprise tasks.
That aside, how do I get IM+? I don't see it on the marketplace.
Finally, especially with good IM we need third party SIP support. I miss Swype terribly; these hundred words alone would have taken a fifth of the time on Swype.
Here is a link to IM+ http://www.freewarewp7.mobi/download-im-all-in-one-messenger.html
That's the bizarrest thing ever. I realize that WP7 is still missing a few features (nearly all of which are returning in Mango very shortly), but there is no way I'd ever go back to such an archaic OS as WM6 or even iOS
Good News
Dark Forces Team released HSPL for our WP7 devices
[DFT] HSPL / RSPL for HTC WP7 First Generation
so is it possible to flash WP6.5 to our WP7 devices?
mendoza1 said:
Yes, I do realize that WM is so last Friday. But feeling is claustrophobic when running WP7, it is all locked up.
I do consider to switch to HD2, but in the mean time there is no harm in asking around about future prospects for WP7.
There are a number of things that I miss in WP7, and it made me to consider switching back to the WM6. The moust obvious reasons are numerous apps that became essential over the time for me, settings that could be changed, smartphone dial, file explorer, support for various file types (not just basic multimedia extensions)... Don't see what is last Tuesday in that, mate.
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i agree.. not having smart dialing and the unability to download a simple mp3 file over the internet is really frustrating.. but hey i just saw that cotulla released HSPL for windows phone device.. no there's some light in the tunnel.. and it's not from the incoming train there just might be some possibility to put WM or any other OS to our Windows phones.. so i guess our phones (HTC) are about to pick up the torch from the HD2
lukmanhakim08 said:
Dark Forces Team released HSPL for our WP7 devices
[DFT] HSPL / RSPL for HTC WP7 First Generation
so is it possible to flash WP6.5 to our WP7 devices?
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No, that is for only flashing WP7 roms.
To get WM6.5 you would need the equivalent of MAGLDR on the HD2. Just get yourself an HD2 and then play with WM6.5, Android and WP7. Hardware is just as good as any wp7 handset.
It's not possible
goldbyte said:
It's not possible
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Everything is possible. Wait any months.
It's nice to see this topic alive, again.
Thanks everyone for the answers. It has been a while since this topic gave me hope for a better future if WP7 devices, but as time went by I have switched back to Windos Mobile 6.x device. It is a shame that this OS was, and is, a dissapointment, for me. Hardware that WP7 devices have, although exellent by all means, was shadowed by ill-made OS on the epic scale. I have enjoyed surfing the inernet on 7 PRO, but it was only that that was made for a highest grade, everything else (about software) was, and is, pure rubish.
Now, I have HD2, and although I miss real keyboard, I can manage to do my daily tasks as usual. Internet surfing experience is about 1/4 better on 7 PRO, but: Images on HD2 are better resolution (yes 7 PRO has 5MP camera, but it is far behind HD2s), much more programs and tools on standard ROM (which I use the most, and there for need), better file management, etc.
I do hope that it would be possible to install programs on to WP7 device, or, better yet, to have WM6 on WP7 device for it's own benefit. As the euphoria started with relasing WP7, on the start, and WP7 devices could be purhased anywhere, now the picture is all different, it is very hard to find a store with WP7 device.
And, for the conclusion, knowing WP7 and WM6, I wouldn't migrate to WP7 at all.
Best of all to ya!
Marry Christmas, and Happy New Year!