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This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.

That is for running android on a computer. They just mention this method can be used to install WinXP, Ubuntu, Linux, etc on a computer. Then they mention using a Virtual Machine running both Windows CE and Android on a mobile phone. Windows CE is not WindowsXP.
That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".

Kinda speechless. The words that comes to mind are "Why God, Why?!"

Interesting...
Even though I can't see it happening, unless you VNC onto a WinXP remote PC (which isn't dual-booting), I would -still- install WinXP behind Android, just to see what it is like.
Question: if ARM support was ever hacked into XP, couldn't we use a Debian-type solution, using VNC, to get access?

That's neat but if you already have Android on your phone, why have Windows CE also? I thought the openness for Android was the "bees knees".
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opps my bad, its not winxp. Nonetheless, there still is alot of potential.
You are right, the openness of Android is one of it's the selling point, but if you can intregrate decades of already made and proven software into your phone system, why not? There will be no need for any porting of your favorite non-main stream software.

Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!

imbonez9 said:
Maybe this is off point n im sorry but i can't wait for Android which really is going to be called Chrome OS to come to lap tops/net books so i can just give my life to Google already. Honestly i've grown tired of Microsoft except for the 360. However i see maybe 10-15 years down the lime people accusing Google of pulling a Microsoft when it comes to things But like my sig says, LONG LIVE GOOGLE!!!
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Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
"Android is first and foremost a smartphone operating system, found on products such as the new MyTouch, the older G1, and others scattered around the world. But companies such as Acer and Asus are planning to put Android on Netbooks later this year, and several others are rumored to be following suit.
Chrome OS, however, is supposedly going to arrive on Netbooks first when it's scheduled to be ready in the second half of 2010. So how should companies thinking about alternatives to Windows on Netbooks navigate about Google's operating system strategy?
Google's blog post announcing Chrome OS acknowledged the overlap. "Android was designed from the beginning to work across a variety of devices from phones to set-top boxes to Netbooks. Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the Web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small Netbooks to full-size desktop systems.""
-CNET

shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.

tallnerd1985 said:
You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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Interesting, but can you switch to android?
Actually chrome os is not Android. They may be similar being that they are both linux based but they are not the same. Android OS is being aimed at netbooks which should be hitting shelves before the end of the year, but Chrome OS is being made for all types of PC's.
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I don't think the Chrome will become the next big thing. The primary use is for netbooks, which are slow and have limited functionality. People want to be able to do more then just surf the web on their computers. AND the big question that arises: if everything was browser based, what if you didnt have access to the net? ? Personally, I like the idea of the Android better on PCs and netbooks

Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
I was only trying to point out that they are not the same OS and are being aimed at different machines, wether they are being aimed at the right machines I am not so sure. If you read the full article on cnet Android is mentioned of as being designed to run on a wide range of devices from, get this, refrigerators, tv set-top boxes, and I have heard from other articles some car companies are considering using it on the touch screen displays they use. How sweet would it be to program your fridges icemaker from android, hahaha I wonder what it could do when you root it and flash some sweet cyan or jac rom lol.

shaolinx said:
This is the first time I have seen something like this. The mobile phone can run both Android AND winXP. Think of all the possibilities! Hopefully, we can see a version of this for our G1's in the near future. Too bad there hasnt been much news on this lately.
video of VMware seen here.
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That's been around for a while, but hasn't been released, yet.
I wonder what kind of overhead there would be, though... I can't imagine it being very speedy.
tallnerd1985 said:
You should check out our thread under the Vogue section. We are able to boot into WinMo then from there boot into a modified Android Kernal. I know we dont have the cool hardware like you guys do but we have the option of flipping back and forth if need be.
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That's different. What that does is execute the linux kernel and kick WM out of memory. You can't switch back and forth without restarting the phone. (It's available to a lot of phones.) But if we could figure out a similar way to do the same on an Android phone, that would be awesome.

crpercodani said:
Yea I would like to have Android on my pc, hopefully it will be possible when they start releasing it on netbooks. I have no idea what exactly chrome os will be like because I have yet to see any video of it in action.
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You can have the Android on your PC, the steps are in the link on the first post. but right now... its not very practical to use it as an actual OS. Theres too many stuff lacking (flash 10 for example).

Windows Mobile on Android is it possible?

Hi, I'm on Sprint phone carrier and I really want the HD2 phone, but I don't want to switch to another carrier, but Sprint said they are going to release HTC Supersonic phone which suppose to have same physical specs as HD2 but AMOLED screen and !no! Android! I don't want the android! I've been using WM since age of 5! I don't know what to do, so depressed. If it could be possible to dump HD2 rom and put it on HTC Supersonic... that could be cool... please tell me if something like that is at least theoretically possible.

It's incredibly unlikely, if not impossible, to put Windows Mobile on a device that didn't ship with it. In fact, no one's ever done it before, because it's way to difficult. The biggest problem is that Windows Mobile lacks a HAL, meaning that the kernel must directly support the hardware. This means that Windows Mobile ROMs are highly device dependant, and will not work on other devices for which they were not made for. In short, it's not going to happen. You'd have better luck purchasing a popular HTC Windows Mobile device and hoping someone ports Android to it. Sorry...

It's not possible to run Windows Mobile on Android devices. While there has been ports to do the reverse (Android on WM) like AndrOMINA, the hardware has to support Windows Mobile (which some CPUs don't) and the SPL (Secondary Program Loader) has to be configured to boot the WM ROM.
Android devices have their NAND Chips divided into various partitions, however WM has it all-in-one partition (correct me if I'm wrong).
Why do you want Windows Mobile on an Android device? Unless you know your techie stuff, pay Microsoft for the Windows Mobile source code, compile and test it on your Android device, not to mention the tasks of flashing, rooting, etc.
In other words, if you want Windows Mobile, go buy a WM phone that's out on the market today. Otherwise, if you get an Android phone, get used to android.
Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.

Coburn64 said:
Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.
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I ran Android on my phone and played around with it... i didn't really liked it because it's not as customizable as windows mobile. Like I changed the registry on my phone and now I have free tethering on Sprint where I have to pay something like $40 to use it... on Android I simply couldn't find the calibration tool because my touch screen is a little messy. I have nothing against Android or Iphone OS, but I preffer Windows Mobile more for it's customizability so to say. Also I have perfect set of software for it that I only going to use... I hope windows mobile will survive and continue living... also i hope android will progress too.

depawlur said:
I ran Android on my phone and played around with it... i didn't really liked it because it's not as customizable as windows mobile. Like I changed the registry on my phone and now I have free tethering on Sprint where I have to pay something like $40 to use it... on Android I simply couldn't find the calibration tool because my touch screen is a little messy. I have nothing against Android or Iphone OS, but I preffer Windows Mobile more for it's customizability so to say. Also I have perfect set of software for it that I only going to use... I hope windows mobile will survive and continue living... also i hope android will progress too.
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Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.

Ace42 said:
Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.
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Because YOU use winmo. What's not to hate?

Ace42 said:
Why do people hate WinMo though?
Its pretty great and the experience is good, if you talk about WinMo in a Iphone or Android forum they will act like you said a forbidden word and vice-versa.
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Haha, that's true... I can understand those people, it's simply because they don't know all the features of WinMo and all smooth experience of Iphone or Android is a big + for those OS, after them you look at WinMo as a shabby and old-style OS, but... I like this feature on my phone for example: If i don't have my phone with me or it's charging in the bedroom i can simply access it over the internet and just drag'n'drop whatever files i need! Or login to my phone and check my messages, not even getting up from the couch or touching the phone!
This is a great + of WinMo and a grat - of other platforms. Other phones have cool stuff too like Google app store and Iphone store...

JAguirre1231 said:
Because YOU use winmo. What's not to hate?
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I don't actually use the phone, I just put Roms on it for my brother.I may play around with it though. I've owned a Iphone, touch pro and now have a Dream.Can't wait for that X10 though.

Ace42 said:
I don't actually use the phone, I just put Roms on it for my brother.I may play around with it though. I've owned a Iphone, touch pro and now have a Dream.Can't wait for that X10 though.
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Personally waiting for the dragon/bravo, a 4in. screen just seems TOO big. There's good big, then there is TOO big, the x10 is verging on TOO big. Great for typing, not so much for fitting in pockets.

Even if its not possible to run full blown Windows Mobile on an Android device, is there a way to emulate Windows Mobile within it? I have a large catalog of medical programs from WinMo that aren't yet available for Android and I really wish I could still use them. They're so useful, I'm half tempted to carry my old Tilt around without its SIM card. I would certainly pay for a program that let me use these old programs on my Android device and I believe others would too.

Coburn64 said:
It's not possible to run Windows Mobile on Android devices. While there has been ports to do the reverse (Android on WM) like AndrOMINA, the hardware has to support Windows Mobile (which some CPUs don't) and the SPL (Secondary Program Loader) has to be configured to boot the WM ROM.
Android devices have their NAND Chips divided into various partitions, however WM has it all-in-one partition (correct me if I'm wrong).
Why do you want Windows Mobile on an Android device? Unless you know your techie stuff, pay Microsoft for the Windows Mobile source code, compile and test it on your Android device, not to mention the tasks of flashing, rooting, etc.
In other words, if you want Windows Mobile, go buy a WM phone that's out on the market today. Otherwise, if you get an Android phone, get used to android.
Windows Mobile will eventually die, while open source goodness will march on. (This is just my personal opinion, I don't hate Windows Mobile, but it's closed source and you can't do as much as you can with Android).
Cheers.
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Question, have you ever used a windows mobile phone? For the record WinMo is already dead, it died at 6.5 and likely isnt coming back in any form. We have windows phone 7now which is an entirely different OS altogether but has nothing to do with WinMo other than the distributor. Windows mobile is the single most customizable phone operating system out there. It's the only one you can customize every single aspect was. The main problem with it is you have to customize it before its really functional. Windows phone, though it lacks customization has a nicer UI than android or iphone by default and is capable of running much more powerful applications than android. I mean pick your poison but at least go into a conversation knowing what you're talking about but android though open is nowhere near as open as windows mobile.

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My 3.8 inch screen fits well in my jean's pocket, or you can get a holster!!

depawlur said:
Haha, that's true... I can understand those people, it's simply because they don't know all the features of WinMo and all smooth experience of Iphone or Android is a big + for those OS, after them you look at WinMo as a shabby and old-style OS, but... I like this feature on my phone for example: If i don't have my phone with me or it's charging in the bedroom i can simply access it over the internet and just drag'n'drop whatever files i need! Or login to my phone and check my messages, not even getting up from the couch or touching the phone!
This is a great + of WinMo and a grat - of other platforms. Other phones have cool stuff too like Google app store and Iphone store...
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Not to mention, along with all the good things WinMo is and does, is the excellent battery life. I have been using Android ROMs on my HD2 since they were available, and I also have OEM Android phones, and I recently...like a coupe days ago...re-flashed a WWE WinMo ROM back onto my HD2...hadn't used WinMo in like forever...and the battery life is just purely pleasing. It's so much better than the best Android phone I've ever used.
The biggest issue with WinMo are the apps...or lack thereof. All of the popular apps are missing and what apps there are seem crappy compared to the other systems. The social apps and social integration in WinMo are horrible. But the best thing I've found for WinMo to keep using it is Uno. LOL...the WinMo version of Uno is by far the best and is actually playable. Most other WinMo games are unusable.
And for WinMo not being open, whether that means the OS, I don't know, but there are tones of customs WinMo ROMs available and the system is actually more open than Android, in my opinion. Had MS stood behind WinMo and supported it for getting app devs like they are with WP7, they would have the best system going. But this brings to mind that WinMo isn't modern like the others are. It doesn't even natively support capacitive multi-touch display tech. That may have played a big role in MS abandoning it in favor of a ground-up new OS.

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bconover93 said:
lol. you'd hate the Galaxy Nexus' 4.65" screen then.
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Necro bumping ftw?

I love Windows 10 Mobile, love Android too. Both OS have - and + Android is open source that can be customized anytime, anywhere. Windows Mobile cannot be customized because it's not open source and only Microsoft can add and remove things in it. W10M is best Windows for mobile devices, you can buy a Lumia device, for example Microsoft Lumia 950. It's the best Lumia I ever seen and works soooo cool

I used a Windows Mobile device for years and only recently made the switch to Android. I had to do it because of the apps, they just aren't on WM.
Keep in mind Android is highly customizable. When I swapped I used a Windows-esque launcher with squares and a metro design to ease the transition. You can do other things as well to make it a very similar experience, at least in my opinion.
If you really want to stick with WM, and I can't blame you, go for the Nokia Lumia 950. The hardware and specs are pretty high end.

HD2 or Nexus One?

Help me choose!
Usage:
1. Watching video, mostly movies, without the hassle of converting formats, etc.
2. Browsing with the best experience possible
3. Cool things like on the HD2, i.e. Playstation emulation, bluetooth peripherals, USB Host functionality etc.
4. An easy to understand file system. I'm uncomfortable with Linux, thus my hesitation with Android.
Time I want to keep the device:
About two years. I want something reliable and something that won't bore me after a while.
Thanks for any help you guys provide.

I hope you are aware that you've already made your own choice.
Everything you've said is hinting at the HD2 already. Do you need us to reassure you that you are doing the right thing? It's really just a phone OP. Get the one you want. Don't let anyone else tell you what is right for you or tell you what you should want.

PoisonWolf said:
I hope you are aware that you've already made your own choice.
Everything you've said is hinting at the HD2 already. Do you need us to reassure you that you are doing the right thing? It's really just a phone OP. Get the one you want. Don't let anyone else tell you what is right for you or tell you what you should want.
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I actually am completely sold on the HD2, however the fact that in those two years that I'd want to keep the deivce, Android will probably be all the rage and we'd have the HD2 completely outdated without any WP7 support. That is my only concern.

hackm0d said:
I actually am completely sold on the HD2, however the fact that in those two years that I'd want to keep the deivce, Android will probably be all the rage and we'd have the HD2 completely outdated without any WP7 support. That is my only concern.
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What's your point?
You already stated that you're uncomfortable with Linux. And you pretty much want the HD2.
You can't have everything in this world. Pick one, use the device, enjoy the device and get your money's worth out of it. If you want WP7 support, wait one more year for the HD3. I'm pretty certain by then you'll have a 1.2 Ghz dual-core 4.5" screen monstrosity with a 2000 mAH battery pack running Windows Phone 7.
Whatever it is, do not buy the HD2 under the assumption that XDA will definitely port WP7 to it. To be more precise, buy a device for the features it has now, and don't bank on features that may or may not come.

What does uncomfortable with linux mean?
See if you can have a play with a decent android device and see if the usability improvements over winmo is worth it?

hackm0d said:
I want something reliable
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There's your answer. Keep away from Windows Mobile.

hackm0d said:
I actually am completely sold on the HD2, however the fact that in those two years that I'd want to keep the deivce, Android will probably be all the rage and we'd have the HD2 completely outdated without any WP7 support. That is my only concern.
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Go for Leo, definetly the fastest device out there.
Don´t worry about upgrading to WP7, it will be possible for sure with the great Chefs and Devs from XDA
Android is nice and some are looking for it because it´s new...on my opinion is nice but immature and limited for now.
I´ll stick to WM for a while.

orb3000 said:
Don´t worry about upgrading to WP7, it will be possible for sure with the great Chefs and Devs from XDA
I´ll stick to WM for a while.
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Totally agree that xda will port it... But I dont think it would never reach a level that you can use it on a daily basis...
See android on wm devices... They have ported on many devices ( more than an year of work) but not fully fn for use on a daily basis ... Unless i missed something

Have to disagree
I have HTC Universal who originally was designed to run WM5 and now I am using it at it´s 100% capacity with WM6.5.
I don´t see why it can´t happen the same to Leo upgrading just one generation to WP7, it has the power and as I said the great minds here @XDA will sor it out for sure
Andorid example is completely another stuff, to port one OS to a completely different build device, that is limited for now but perhaps later will be full and stable, who knows...

orb3000 said:
Have to disagree
I have HTC Universal who originally was designed to run WM5 and now I am using it at it´s 100% capacity with WM6.5.
I don´t see why it can´t happen the same to Leo upgrading just one generation to WP7, it has the power and as I said the great minds here @XDA will sor it out for sure
Andorid example is completely another stuff, to port one OS to a completely different build device, that is limited for now but perhaps later will be full and stable, who knows...
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Ah, but WM5 uses the same WinCE 5.2 kernel that 6.x and 6.5.x have, so porting WM6.x to WM5 is very easy because everything is well documented, and everyone knows WinCE 5.2 inside and out already. The drivers, the bootloader, the file system, and everything else are all compatible because it's the same exact kernel. It's a whole different ballgame when you have completely different OS kernel (WinCE 7) that nobody here knows indepth, which has specific hardware requirements and most likely needs a completely rewritten SPL, drivers, etc. and uses a completely different file system, and ROM update system. It's not going to be easy, if even possible at all, to port WM7 to the HD2 without getting the internal Microsoft builds they're testing on the HD2 (which will never be publicly released). What I'm trying to say is, don't get your hopes up on a WM7 port.
@OP: As others have said, you've basically made that decision yourself. Android is based on Linux, so if you don't like Linux, don't go with Android. If you get the HD2, get it because you like the features it currently has, since you will likely not see new ones besides a somewhat functional port of Android and some backported software from newer WM6.x phones. The HD2 will probably stay the way it is now, so only buy it if you're willing to stay with the same everything for the next few years. That being said, all the devices you listed are very popular, well made devices, and I don't think that you could really be unhappy with your device no matter what you get. I do know, if it makes any difference to you, that a PSX emulator was shown on video this week running on a Nexus One and USB host functionality was ported specifically to the Nexus One as well.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Ah, but WM5 uses the same WinCE 5.2 kernel that 6.x and 6.5.x have, so porting WM6.x to WM5 is very easy because everything is well documented, and everyone knows WinCE 5.2 inside and out already. The drivers, the bootloader, the file system, and everything else are all compatible because it's the same exact kernel. It's a whole different ballgame when you have completely different OS kernel (WinCE 7) that nobody here knows indepth, which has specific hardware requirements and most likely needs a completely rewritten SPL, drivers, etc. and uses a completely different file system, and ROM update system. It's not going to be easy, if even possible at all, to port WM7 to the HD2 without getting the internal Microsoft builds they're testing on the HD2 (which will never be publicly released). What I'm trying to say is, don't get your hopes up on a WM7 port.
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Yes you are right, but still have my hopes
Something for sure can be done

The thing is though, I will not have an always-on internet connection on any of these phones. Even then, it won't be 3G, it'll be EDGE or GPRS. From that standpoint, how much functionality of each of the phones will be reduced? Android has the push e-mail, social integration and app updates that need internet to function. Do you think without internet much of the functionality of the homescreen and Android itself (over Windows Mobile) is negated?

Why not the dell streak? It just came out in the UK, it has a 5" screen, which is great for videos. Also, ZodTTD is working on a PSX emulator and the streak should be getting a 2.2 upgrade within a few months (sooner with the root progress over at modaco). Engadget review.

hackm0d said:
The thing is though, I will not have an always-on internet connection on any of these phones. Even then, it won't be 3G, it'll be EDGE or GPRS. From that standpoint, how much functionality of each of the phones will be reduced? Android has the push e-mail, social integration and app updates that need internet to function. Do you think without internet much of the functionality of the homescreen and Android itself (over Windows Mobile) is negated?
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Edge or GPRS works great for things like facebook updates or email. WinMo is old and will not be receiving new games or programs. Also, you dont need the facebook feeds and other crap android has. I rarely use them.

Okay I waited on buying the phone today and probably will not until I have a definite conclusion. Please, if anyone with any of these phones answers this I would mighty appreciate it. I am only doing this because WM will soon be outdated and this is my chance to jump onto the Android bandwagon. If I can be convinced that any of these phones can perform as I am used to in Windows Mobile, I'll switch with the feeling that I've bought something future proof.
Questions for Android users:
1. If you have customized Windows Mobile, how is Android in comparison? Do I need to have a comprehensive knowledge of Linux in order to customize it? In WM you usually just install a CAB file or edit a registry entry. Is it the same in Android, or easier?
2. How is movie watching on the screen? Does it look good for a two hour or so movie or would I have to squint?
3. Same question as above for web browsing. Any Flash support? Can I read an article online without any squinting?
4. Is utilitarian app availability (e.g file managers, task managers, CPU speed editors, etc.) as good as Windows Mobile? This is one of the more important ones.
5. How is the camera in either Android devices? I'm going to do a lot of video capture, and as such how are the results?
6. Is there any sync software available (such as WMDC w/ Windows Mobile) for Android that performs similar things, i.e. backing up all memory, contacts, pictures, etc.?
7. Which of these devices has had better community progress? The Nexus has been hacked to have USB host functionality and lots of custom ROMs are being developed. By a community support perspective, which one is better supported? The Desire or Nexus One?

hackm0d said:
Help me choose!
Usage:
1. Watching video, mostly movies, without the hassle of converting formats, etc.
2. Browsing with the best experience possible
3. Cool things like on the HD2, i.e. Playstation emulation, bluetooth peripherals, USB Host functionality etc.
4. An easy to understand file system. I'm uncomfortable with Linux, thus my hesitation with Android.
Time I want to keep the device:
About two years. I want something reliable and something that won't bore me after a while.
Thanks for any help you guys provide.
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Your point 1 leads me to advise you to get the HD2, but honestly I think it is too big for a phone.
I'd go with the Nexus One anyday. Froyo just made it even better.

hackm0d said:
1. If you have customized Windows Mobile, how is Android in comparison? Do I need to have a comprehensive knowledge of Linux in order to customize it? In WM you usually just install a CAB file or edit a registry entry. Is it the same in Android, or easier?
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Are you doing the customizing yourself or installing a cab file? For android we install apk, zip files, or we apply a metamorph. That may sound hard but trust me it is very easy. If you like to make your own there are plenty of guides online.
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2. How is movie watching on the screen? Does it look good for a two hour or so movie or would I have to squint?
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The N1 has an amazing screen and everyone I know can not believe how sharp my movies are.
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3. Same question as above for web browsing. Any Flash support? Can I read an article online without any squinting?
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One the N1 with froyo, yes.
hackm0d said:
4. Is utilitarian app availability (e.g file managers, task managers, CPU speed editors, etc.) as good as Windows Mobile? This is one of the more important ones.
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Yes, if not better.
hackm0d said:
5. How is the camera in either Android devices? I'm going to do a lot of video capture, and as such how are the results?
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Video on any cellphone is not going to be the greatest, but I am very happy with my camera.
hackm0d said:
6. Is there any sync software available (such as WMDC w/ Windows Mobile) for Android that performs similar things, i.e. backing up all memory, contacts, pictures, etc.?
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If you have a gmail account you are in the google "cloud" so all your contacts will be fine. Titanium Backup is a great app for everything else.
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7. Which of these devices has had better community progress? The Nexus has been hacked to have USB host functionality and lots of custom ROMs are being developed. By a community support perspective, which one is better supported? The Desire or Nexus One?
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The N1 easily. It is very easy to unlook and with no risk of bricking. The Desire on the other hand is something you have to cross your fingures and hope you get lucky even if you do everything right.

Thanks jz9833, that's the desire ruled out.
btw what WM device have you used before the Nexus that makes you say this?

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Thanks jz9833, that's the desire ruled out.
btw what WM device have you used before the Nexus that makes you say this?
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I've had a Wizard, Tilt, Fuze, and Tilt 2.
It was really hard for me to leave the WM enviroment, but once I did it I never looked back. The only things I miss are native office mobile apps. The ones android comes will only support viewing and not editting. Since I rarely used this on WM it's not an issue for me but could be for some. There are some apps in the market for this though.
Also you will need to download a file manager, but there are plenty of great options.
Divx files are no supported for now. You wil need to convert all video files to an mp4 format which sucks, but you will not regret it.

hackm0d said:
Thanks jz9833, that's the desire ruled out.
btw what WM device have you used before the Nexus that makes you say this?
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I had the WM Hermes & HD. After trying the Nexus, I have never looked back. Maybe someday I'll try WM7 if it ever get's here?

Ubuntu to make mobile os version. Phone/tablet

Didn't see this anywhere, if it is sorry. This would be awesome though. I love android but ububtu if done correctly would be awesome.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-linux-heads-to-smartphones-tablets-and-smart-tvs/9834
(let's hope a couple of trolls don't jack this thread with "let's hope they don't steal from apple like android" or some other android hater rants.)
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I'm interested in this too!

That could be interesting. I'm a long time Ubuntu user but I recently stopped using it due to Gnome 3 / Unity- really not my cup of tea. I remember thinking at the time that it was better suited to smaller screens/tablets, so maybe that was the plan all along

Don't know how close android is to linux, think it uses a linux kernel, but it would be awesome if it could use android apps like I think blackberry's playback.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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Of course.
I am already trying to get Ubuntu (console version) running on my already existing mobile phones.
For phones they would need to create a suitable gui and phone apps of course (phone book, dialer, etc.). Could be nice.

Don't see Ubuntu on my smartphone but it'll be awesome to install it on tablet.

This looks awesome! I can't wait to see the final product.

Looks nice, a good mobile Linux build not made by Nokia... Epic. I know many who want a real Linux phone.

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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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i hate ubuntu 11.10.
and ubuntu would be cool on a phone. they would have to cut a deal with a phone company in order to do it, however. and HTC, samsung, LG... etc... they are already running a linux OS with android. it will be a long time before it is mainstream, and it would not have google supporting it (which would obviously have pros and cons) but i would stick with android simply because it is what i am used to at this point. ubuntu is more of a developer platform and it would basically just be bare bones on a phone. no market, hardly any apps, etc... it wouldn't give me the same experience i would want on a phone.

Kailkti said:
I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
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I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.

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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
Back to topic:
I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
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Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)

Me too that is what open source is about anyway.

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Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.

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I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
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Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.

Kailkti said:
Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
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Well, good luck in whatever you pick

bagers said:
And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
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There's so much fail in this post. OS's are dependent on supported hardware, so you'll never have total freedom on OS choice. Bootloaders are always opened up within a month or two of a device being released, private party or otherwise. And yes, you can "brick" your PC if you are a numbskull and improperly load an OS or wipe critical files, it's just much simpler to recover. Phones lack an external keyboard, cd-rom drives, etc, so loading external recovery media or getting to a recovery point is more difficult.
FYI: One reason why carriers don't like users messing with mobile devices is because the majority are on contract extensions, so basically you pay a lowered subsidized cost on the phone in return for your business. This means that they have a vested financial interest in your mobile device. PC's, you buy outright. You don't go under contract to buy a new PC (except for credit card or financing, but they don't care what you buy, you just need to pay back).
As far as Ubuntu mobile, it's a great idea, but it's a pipe dream for at least the next 5 years. There's just too little support and mainstream use for that, and you have Ubuntu backing it, not "household" names like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. PC's is a completely different target market than mobile devices.

more recent ubuntu isn't coded for armv6 but runs on armv7.
I read anything from lucid on up is only for armv7 or better.
my armv6 optimus v does a lovely job of running the full desktop armel debian squeeze (or sid) in a chroot; it just needs hardware drivers to straight-up boot debian instead of running it with android at the same time.
it wouldn't be that hard to release it as a mobile os, except for the proprietary drivers on all the different phones and tablets.

i hope we can install it on older WinMo hardware

[DISCUSSION] next OEM OS?

Sorry i got if i got the Title wrong but pretty much what im trying to get at is what is everyone's opinion on what the next OS from a Phone OEM? (HTC LG Samsung) it could have been that Samsung was jealous of Motorola's spotlight when google bought Moto back in (2012 was it? seems like a long time ago) and Samsung decided to make android less "Android" with the Galaxy notePRO 12.1 Launcher. Samsung also made the the new Samsung Gear 2 / neo (note that they dropped the galaxy name) With their own Ti zen OS instead of android like the previous model (there are reports of that new Tizen phone coming out aswell, it could be that they are just trying to try something new). what i'm trying to get at is does anyone else think HTC or LG or Motorola or Lenovo or whoever produces android phones/tablets make Slap android in the face with their own OS? i think this "Could" be the beginning of androids downfall
please Bark at me i want to see everyone's opinion!

To me it looks like Android is the first mobile OS to be so widely used by so many different manufacturers. And the OEM operating systems are the ones that usually fade. So to me, anything is possible. Nokia had Symbian, only one or two phones for other brands were ever made. Each had their own locked in operating system.. Windows mobile was always around but never got anywhere without Nokia and that is probably where it will stay..
Basically, things are different now. I have a feeling this new Samsung OS will be lower end? The only way Android would lose its place I think, is if another OEM independent OS came to challenge it.

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To me it looks like Android is the first mobile OS to be so widely used by so many different manufacturers. And the OEM operating systems are the ones that usually fade. So to me, anything is possible. Nokia had Symbian, only one or two phones for other brands were ever made. Each had their own locked in operating system.. Windows mobile was always around but never got anywhere without Nokia and that is probably where it will stay..
Basically, things are different now. I have a feeling this new Samsung OS will be lower end? The only way Android would lose its place I think, is if another OEM independent OS came to challenge it.
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interesting thought, its obvious that it will take lots of effort to make android lose its place but i was only wanting to see other peoples thought on it, i agree with Tizen OS being low end, its supposed to be able to run android apps like Jolla and the newest blackberry tablet, for now all tizen looks like is a run down version of Touchwiz UX. hopefully nothing special, if its open source? hell yeah im going to get one. i am really interested how XDA is going to take on it.

I highly doubt it would be open source! To most of these companies that are truly focussed on money making that sort of thing is an abomination. Nokia planned to make Symbian open source, unfortunately there werea couple of other companies who had been involved in it's creation who blocked this at the last minute. I have a feeling Samsung might have been one of those companies but I might be wrong.. (I really miss Symbian by the way, nothing could multitask and do hard work like it, not even my S4 mini. And it ran on such low end specs! If it could have been used with today's hardware they would have had dynamite. I believe Nokia were trying to give a gift to their community before their demise and they were halted by greed, now Symbian is gone anyway)
All that said, I really don't think it will be open source, I believe it's true purpose is the opposite of that. Phone manufacturers don't seem to like their buyers actually truly owning their devices for some reason. I would love to try all these things out but Nokia was all I could ever afford, my S4 mini was a gift.

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I highly doubt it would be open source! To most of these companies that are truly focussed on money making that sort of thing is an abomination. Nokia planned to make Symbian open source, unfortunately there werea couple of other companies who had been involved in it's creation who blocked this at the last minute. I have a feeling Samsung might have been one of those companies but I might be wrong.. (I really miss Symbian by the way, nothing could multitask and do hard work like it, not even my S4 mini. And it ran on such low end specs! If it could have been used with today's hardware they would have had dynamite. I believe Nokia were trying to give a gift to their community before their demise and they were halted by greed, now Symbian is gone anyway)
All that said, I really don't think it will be open source, I believe it's true purpose is the opposite of that. Phone manufacturers don't seem to like their buyers actually truly owning their devices for some reason. I would love to try all these things out but Nokia was all I could ever afford, my S4 mini was a gift.
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did a little research https://www.tizen.org/ your saying at last moment tizen will also become closed?

You are right, I was actually talking without really knowing. I had the impression it was a Samsung made OS but I see on the website it is by the 'Linux Foundation', interesting.
My cynical nature thinks they will go closed source upon release, once they have had all the help in the world from the community. But I do not know. If it comes to more devices then just Samsung, maybe there is hope.
Maybe it depends on who ends up with licensing.

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You are right, I was actually talking without really knowing. I had the impression it was a Samsung made OS but I see on the website it is by the 'Linux Foundation', interesting.
My cynical nature thinks they will go closed source upon release, once they have had all the help in the world from the community. But I do not know. If it comes to more devices then just Samsung, maybe there is hope.
Maybe it depends on who ends up with licensing.
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i doubt it would come upon other OEM devices, but so far since its open source and based on Linux, does that mean they are going to try to copy android (samsung can never think up of their own things huh? lots of apple lawsuits.)? if it will stay open source, does that mean we get some kind of control with flashing New OS's? (custom roms) i cant wait for it xD, samsungs old Bada OS was a great start.

It would be a pity if it was a knock off of Android or even resembled the Touchwiz UI. Those law suits were stupid because this is how phones have looked and behaved for years and years.
I would like to see a more pure Linux for mobile phones. There are so many Linux desktop environments that would be great on a phone. Enlightenment, Gnome 3 and of course Ubuntu's own Unity (at least they have the right idea). And there is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the same programs as on desktop Linux, many phones out power older Linux compatible PCs these days.
If Tizen was pure Linux with a completely fresh UI for a phone that has not been done before and completely open to the user, I would make every plan possible to get hold of one. It sounds so much like a dream that I think we will just be disappointed.
We need more open devices around first before we can have more open OSs and choices, as far as I see it.

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It would be a pity if it was a knock off of Android or even resembled the Touchwiz UI. Those law suits were stupid because this is how phones have looked and behaved for years and years.
I would like to see a more pure Linux for mobile phones. There are so many Linux desktop environments that would be great on a phone. Enlightenment, Gnome 3 and of course Ubuntu's own Unity (at least they have the right idea). And there is no reason it shouldn't be able to run the same programs as on desktop Linux, many phones out power older Linux compatible PCs these days.
If Tizen was pure Linux with a completely fresh UI for a phone that has not been done before and completely open to the user, I would make every plan possible to get hold of one. It sounds so much like a dream that I think we will just be disappointed.
We need more open devices around first before we can have more open OSs and choices, as far as I see it.
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Right? im surprised a developer has not started a kick-starter to help with making a Open source Phone with most likely pure linux running atop. Bada OS (samsungs old OS, pretty much what tizen is now) has lots of common areas with touchwiz UI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada probably around the Galaxy s2 look though. and they changed from touchwiz on tizen because intel is working with them. cant wait to see how Jolla sailfish and nemo mobile will do.