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[Q] What do you use your transformer for ?

OK... heres the thing ... its my 40th birthday coming up and the wife wants to buy me a slightly more special gift than usual
Do i:
a) end up with something that she chooses herself
b) ask for a transformer
She currently has a kindle and is raving about that so im trying to figure out what id use a tablet for over a 'kindle + HTC Desire' combo.
The transformer has no 3G (yet) so i wouldnt use it for web or email whilst out and about.
The transformer has a shiny screen so wont be as good for ebooks as a kindle.
Ive seen the asus commercial so i know the 'standard' suggested uses for a transformer - but im no teen and cant stand up on a skateboard
so .... what do you guys use your transformer for in the 'real world' ? especially with no 3G ??
I LOVE gadgets but im just struggling to justify the expense
Please help me

Adding to the wondering:
will I be able to play facebook games on it (cityville, poker,etc..) From the browser?
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Right now, I'm using mine as a laptop replacement. I haven't had to turn my Macbook on since getting ths out of the box. Its a lot easier to just pick up and use... so if you just do casual browsing, this is ideal. I have my iMac for when I'm doing 'serious' work.
DKM119 said:
Adding to the wondering:
will I be able to play facebook games on it (cityville, poker,etc..) From the browser?
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If they are flash based, then you should be able to. I haven't tested them, but everything else flash seems to work well, so I don't see why not.

Admittedly I did buy mine to use as a laptop replacement, but I'm waiting for the keyboard dock to arrive. At the moment I'm using it as an ebook reader and for general browsing - it drives my girlfriend nuts as I'm always playing with it!!
I'm not a facebook fan so can't say for sure, but it does have flash, so I don't see why not.

Planning to pick up one very very soon.
Anyway, i plan to use it as a laptop replacement (get Ubuntu running on it )
and WiFi tether it to my Captivate for teh internetz.

wilbur-force said:
The transformer has no 3G (yet) so i wouldnt use it for web or email whilst out and about.
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You could tether your Desire via Android AP which would essentially give you internet where ever you are. I did this with my XOOM and it worked very well. I had to return it though because the Transformer just seemed like a more practical option for me.

Does anyone know if the keyboard dock will be available in all countries(I'm danish)? The 32gb/no dock version is released earlier here, but I want to make sure I can get the keyboard dock later on!

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You can use it out and about with WiFi hot spot on your desire .for this reason I don't understand ,why people want 3 G model as most of the people buying tablets would have a moviles with a decent internet contract
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DKM119 said:
Adding to the wondering:
will I be able to play facebook games on it (cityville, poker,etc..) From the browser?
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I've played Facebook Scrabble on it. It's a bit picky about keypresses to select and place the tiles, but it's usable.

I use my Xoom (to be replaced with a Transformer once it's available in the US) for everything I use my notebook for except long-form writing, and I don't do that on the Xoom only because there's no physical keyboard. With the Transformer+keyboard dock, I think my HP Envy notebook will get much less work and might even go to the wife.
So, that means I do all of the following on my tablet:
1. Browsing, including all but the most hardcore research
2. Newsfeed reading
3. Email triage (best device for this by far)
4. Ebook reading for all but the longest reading sessions (when I use my Nook)
5. Ebook annotations (for research, and it's great for that)
6. Casual gaming (of course, I still play Crysis 2 and the like on the desktop)
7. Forum browsing/posting using Tapatalk
8. Note taking using the outstanding Evernote client (not optimized for Honeycomb but still quite usable)
9. Light blog posting (long-form and complex graphics still done on the notebook)
The instant-on nature of the device and the extremely long battery life means it's far more convenient to use, in more places, and more ad hoc. Whether you're sitting on the couch, lying in bed, or whatever you can grab a tablet and start using without waiting for it to boot/wake up, finding a flat surface to put it on, plugging into an outlet, etc. as you do a notebook or netbook.
The bottom line is that I'm using my Xoom even more than I thought I would. I have to give Apple credit for recognizing the value of a relatively light device running a mobile OS with really long battery life. And I think Honeycomb offers more value than iOS because it's actively useful, not just an app launcher.

You could use it to read comics on, people have started to buy tablet comics, like from this app
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.iconology.comics

I went through the decision making process as you did. I had the Amazon Kindle 2, but for me, I don't read as much as I should. So I sold it off and bought a Nook Color. Rooted it and used it to read news, manage ebay sales, emails, etc. After a while, the Nook felt too small for me to get anything done. And I required a real laptop for any true productivity when producing documents or typing out an email. A few weeks ago I sold my Nook in anticipation for the Transformer's release and I'm a bit bummed with the availability to the US.
Bottom line, if you do a lot of serious reading, then use an e-ink (Kindle) reader. Your eyes will thank you for it. If you are like me who does a lot of casual reading, then get the transformer. If you do both, then get both. Guys usually demand, i mean, expect D) less for ourselves than our counterparts, so once in a while, it's okay to treat ourselves to something nice, twice!

Kind of off-topic, but kind of related I guess:
What do you guys think of having this vs a real netbook? I was originally planning to get a DM1z, then an ASUS Eee 1215B (both use the E-350 Fusion processor). Then I discovered the Transformer. I can't decide if I should get a netbook or just get the transformer with keyboard. I will primarily be using it for leisure activities and also some school/note taking. Suggestions?

drummr8 said:
Kind of off-topic, but kind of related I guess:
What do you guys think of having this vs a real netbook? I was originally planning to get a DM1z, then an ASUS Eee 1215B (both use the E-350 Fusion processor). Then I discovered the Transformer. I can't decide if I should get a netbook or just get the transformer with keyboard. I will primarily be using it for leisure activities and also some school/note taking. Suggestions?
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haha, i'm selling my dm1z to get the transformer~
the e350 apu is slightly underpowered for me and 6 hours of [real-world] battery life is nothing to write home about...

thanks guys
can always depend on the XDA bunch when i need convincing over a gadget
transformer ordered ... arrives a week on Thursday
will keep you posted on performance etc

drummr8 said:
Kind of off-topic, but kind of related I guess:
What do you guys think of having this vs a real netbook? I was originally planning to get a DM1z, then an ASUS Eee 1215B (both use the E-350 Fusion processor). Then I discovered the Transformer. I can't decide if I should get a netbook or just get the transformer with keyboard. I will primarily be using it for leisure activities and also some school/note taking. Suggestions?
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A netbook is... well... just a netbook. It's an underpowered Intel processor (that's still not as efficient as an ARM) running a heavyweight OS (assuming you're running Windows) and with the necessary compromises in battery life. It's usable only in the standard netbook format, that is, clamshell that generally requires a flat surface to use on. It can't comfortably be used standing or lying down.
A Transformer is both a "netbook" in that it has a keyboard and can be used for tasks that need one. But, it can also be used in the tablet format, that is, with the touchscreen and in whatever situation (lying down, standing, etc.). It also runs a lightweight OS that, while a bit more limited in functionality (although less so every day) is also made to optimize power, and a power-sipping ARM processor that still provides decent performance. So, instead of 6 hours of battery life or so in the "netbook" mode, it gets 16 hours or so.
Really, the Transformer is a netbook+tablet hybrid that has the best features of both, while minimizing their weaknesses.

I was wondering what i was going to use it for to.
I have an EVO thus the only really use is for a ereader.
everything is just bigger... but i still want it. ... still trying to figure it out.
Are you guys going to buy generation 1 or wait for hardware/generation 2 to come out.

error12 said:
I was wondering what i was going to use it for to.
I have an EVO thus the only really use is for a ereader.
everything is just bigger... but i still want it. ... still trying to figure it out.
Are you guys going to buy generation 1 or wait for hardware/generation 2 to come out.
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I would buy Gen1 and enjoy the most of it. When Gen2 is about to be released, I will sell Gen1 to use towards a Gen2, but that is me.

Android tablet vs Laptop for light school work?

I am looking to buy asus prime or a laptop for college but i wonder if android could write papers ant etc. i know they office apps, do they or is there an app that corrects spelling and grammar? thanks for any input

HB66 said:
I am looking to buy asus prime or a laptop for college but i wonder if android could write papers ant etc. i know they office apps, do they or is there an app that corrects spelling and grammar? thanks for any input
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You'd probably be best with a laptop tbh. For the same price you get a tablet and a compatible keyboard, you could get a nice laptop. Just add tethering to your phone if you want mobile internet then. Plus its easier on the computer to do school work than on a tablet... I've got the Asus a500 and my gf uses it for school since she broke her NetBook... She hates it lol
Also, this should be in XDA Android general or q&a section...
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I have to agree with tehgyb. I bought an ASUS Transformer and the keyboard/dock, for my son to use in the 5th grade. While it does come with Office-like apps, and there are even better ones out there, the apps available for Android are still cut down quite a bit. Spell-checking is not there, nor is grammar check. Things like printing are handled separately (i.e. exit the word processor, go to a cloud-print app, and then go find your document again, then about 3 clicks to print it.) If you're already using the more sophisticated capabilities of the Office apps and doing a lot of document creation, I suggest you get a laptop.
I think the Office apps and other apps will continue to mature for Android. In a year's time, the tablet with keyboard might be the better choice. I am beta testing SoftMaker's Office suite for Android right now, and it already seems much better than the other currently-available Office-like products.
That said, I do love the Transformer for many other reasons. I am on the road every week, and I plan to keep it for that.

Return my Infinity for a Nexus now and Surface later?

I got my Infinity about two weeks ago. It's pretty cool. I already picked up the 201 keyboard and carry my purple tablet everywhere. I'm generally happy with it, but find ultimately I use it less than I would have thought. Maybe I just don't know how to use it.
I want a tablet so as I automate my house I can connect and control.
I fly a ton and want something that I can watch movies on the plane.
With my MiFi and hotel internet I like not checking email and searching the web without using my company laptop.
General and casual net surfing.
So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version. Even when I try to override this, the lack of a normal operating system seems to make websites work funny. My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out. And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie. They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works. The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
So point out the flaws in my understanding.

one thing to note, tablets are not laptops.
I noticed this though. I had the Transformer Prime and no laptop before. I would use the prime for everything!!! Now i bought a laptop and i use the tablet half the time now. And the only thing i do on the computer is download music and use the web. Im actually on my computer now. And the docking station, i never use it anymore. Its sort of strange to find the purpose for the devices. Checking email and quick web browsing/facebook is really fast on the tablet. That and media, but for the laptop i think i just like the bigger keyboard...

If you only intend to use your tablet as a media consumption device then I highly recommend a different product. I love my Infinity and previously my TF101 as it is my laptop replacement. But if not for the productivity side of things, I would have gotten a smaller Samsung or now the Nexus 7. I would avoid the Amazon Kindle Fire as it is just a poor attempt to restrict Android (pre-root of course).

Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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You will be just down grading yourself down to a smaller vechicle. But hey whatever floats your boat.
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Sonata = Infinity
Elantra = 300
Accent = Nexus 7

I'd avoid the surface for now. Its rather bipolar at the moment, its clear that the desktop and metro environments were not made to play nice with each other. Metro also hasnt proven itself yet, it'll get some app support initially due to ties with Windows but in the long run its not clear at all that it'll do well. In fact, given the reputation of WP7, I'd be shocked if it did anything but completely flop.

mattlikesbikes said:
I got my Infinity about two weeks ago. It's pretty cool. I already picked up the 201 keyboard and carry my purple tablet everywhere. I'm generally happy with it, but find ultimately I use it less than I would have thought. Maybe I just don't know how to use it.
I want a tablet so as I automate my house I can connect and control.
I fly a ton and want something that I can watch movies on the plane.
With my MiFi and hotel internet I like not checking email and searching the web without using my company laptop.
General and casual net surfing.
So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version. Even when I try to override this, the lack of a normal operating system seems to make websites work funny. My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out. And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie. They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works. The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
So point out the flaws in my understanding.
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There are no flaws in your understanding, you only have a different perception and set of expectations, and that's fine. I'll just give you my point of view.
1) You really shouldn't be using the stock browser. Get another one that properly supports setting the user agent and the web surfing should be fine. I only have desktop sites on my TF700 and it rocks. Just to mention it here:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
3) I watch all kinds of video content (documentaries, military footage, movies (HD or lower resolution), etc.) and it works fantastically. I use Dice for the hardware-base decoding capability, but lots of people are endeared by BS Player as well.
4) I'm actually going to boycott Windows 8 for several tech and personal reasons, so I will refrain from commenting on your hopes for Windows RT (which is the crapped down version of crap anyway). But as I said, there is absolutely no need to render my opinion any worth -- I just wanted to mention that here. Sorry.
5) If you wanted a laptop experience, why not buy a laptop? It's not meant derogatory, but laptops do best what laptops need to do. Their niche is different enough from the tablet's (with or without a dock, charging or not) that each has their own merits and probably will not compete the other out of existence for some time to come. You'd miss out on two things: screen resolution and battery life, but since you actually consider the Nexus 7 a viable replacement (which, again, strictly specific to my usage scenario, it is not), a laptop would serve you fine.
Bottom line: I think I'd return the TF700 and get a laptop if I were you. But then I'm not.
Wisdom, my friend. Good luck weighing your options.
Marty
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Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
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Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. <sarcasm >You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. </sarcasm> Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
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With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )

MartyHulskemper said:
There are no flaws in your understanding, you only have a different perception and set of expectations, and that's fine. I'll just give you my point of view.
1) You really shouldn't be using the stock browser. Get another one that properly supports setting the user agent and the web surfing should be fine. I only have desktop sites on my TF700 and it rocks. Just to mention it here:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
3) I watch all kinds of video content (documentaries, military footage, movies (HD or lower resolution), etc.) and it works fantastically. I use Dice for the hardware-base decoding capability, but lots of people are endeared by BS Player as well.
4) I'm actually going to boycott Windows 8 for several tech and personal reasons, so I will refrain from commenting on your hopes for Windows RT (which is the crapped down version of crap anyway). But as I said, there is absolutely no need to render my opinion any worth -- I just wanted to mention that here. Sorry.
5) If you wanted a laptop experience, why not buy a laptop? It's not meant derogatory, but laptops do best what laptops need to do. Their niche is different enough from the tablet's (with or without a dock, charging or not) that each has their own merits and probably will not compete the other out of existence for some time to come. You'd miss out on two things: screen resolution and battery life, but since you actually consider the Nexus 7 a viable replacement (which, again, strictly specific to my usage scenario, it is not), a laptop would serve you fine.
Bottom line: I think I'd return the TF700 and get a laptop if I were you. But then I'm not.
Wisdom, my friend. Good luck weighing your options.
Marty
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Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. <sarcasm >You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. </sarcasm> Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )
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dlokey22 said:
Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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MartyHulskemper said:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
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Personally, I've used Dolphin for some time and never had any issues with my "privacy".... That is usually blown way out of proportion. Do you really think that the Dolphin devs are stealing and *using* your info?? C'mon, give me a break - if that were true, people would be suing them left and right.
If you don't like Dolphin then don't use it, but let others decide for themselves!
You don't think Google tracks everything you do too?
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MartyHulskemper said:
Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
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I was under the impression this has been resolved. Eh whatever... I'm not worried. Like what the other poster said, Google is probably a bigger data mining culprit than dolphin is.
With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
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That's fine if you haven't encoded your movies already. All my blurays have been encoded using high bit rates for my htpc. Most of my 720ps are 4-6gb. I'm not going to re encoded them all. Any way you look at it, storage is an issue if you plan to use nexus 7 as a multimedia device.
I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )
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I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version.
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Use Chrome. Select request desktop version under settings if it pushes you into mobile site. It's not automated (though I expect it will be with the next few versions of chrome as this is a nexus 7 issue).
My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out.
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Yes, but with the google nexus 7 coming out and doing well, the android market will catch up and android is just better from an iOS perspective (can do flash, can run ad blockers more easily, can drag and drop content, can decode almost any media file, etc.).
And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
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So use an e-ink reader to read. LCD's can't match e-ink contrast ratios. And SAMOLED Screens have their problems in that Samsung is making Pentile Screens their mass market screen because of durability issues.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie.
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And you would be able to carry around like 3 movies if you got the 8gb version.
They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works.
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Ok, lol? I use a TF201 case and it works fine. This thing just came out ...
The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
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The nexus has 8/16gb. If you want to constantly delete and refill all of it over usb 2.0, be my guess.
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
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Surface is a joke as is windows 8. No i5/i7 chip can match tegra/qualcomm chips in battery life and thermal properties. Yes, it'll be way faster, but the battery life will be terrible and the devices will be bulky.
If you want a laptop get a laptop. I use mine for more intensive purposes/gaming. However, even a laptop is too big for a lot of the things I use my infinity for (taking notes, reading, watching movies in bed).
So point out the flaws in my understanding.
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Windows 8 is pure hype. Core PC Users hate it for offering no new features to them as long-time users. Tablet users are still mostly ipad users that won't put up with the hoops Microsoft makes you jump or the terrible app store. There is a market for windows tablets and I think 99% of it is graphics professionals that need touch in order to interact with their objects. I would rather have a dedicated laptop that gets the job done and a dedicated tablet that is light with good battery life than use a Windows Tablet.

There's something different and more personal to me about consuming The Internets on a tablet, and that's why I love them and spend time on XDA. I don't see the dock on Transformers as a conversion to a laptop, it just makes the occasional heavy text input convenient. The dock is an extended battery in my eyes. So I agree with the above that it's about your expectations or need.
I also agree the Surface might be a total non-starter. On one hand, if it's just a Windows tablet, it will be overpriced and hindered compared to a real laptop. If its the gimped Windows version why should the app experience be any better than Android? It's not any good on Windows phone.
Apples AppStore is inarguably better than any other if you've actually used their device, but there's plenty of good reasons to prefer Android. Google, freedom (usually..see locked bootloader) and for me, incredible integration and sharing between apps. Plus your Infinity has one of the best mobile screens yet created. If you're mainly browsing, watching video and messaging it's hard to argue a laptop is more useful.
That said, damn the Nexus is good. Asus needs to release Jelly Bean immediately.

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What do you find to be better in DICE than you do in BS?
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I do not have a definitive answer on this, since the latest version of BS Player just crashes on me continuously, and I didn't lke the interface somehow. I like vPlayer's interface best, but that doesn't do hardware decoding.
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Personally, I've used Dolphin for some time and never had any issues with my "privacy".... That is usually blown way out of proportion. Do you really think that the Dolphin devs are stealing and *using* your info?? C'mon, give me a break - if that were true, people would be suing them left and right.
If you don't like Dolphin then don't use it, but let others decide for themselves!
You don't think Google tracks everything you do too?
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I am not using it, and I am letting you decide yourselves. I'm not the one deciding which apps to install on your device(s), am I? I do think, however, that that decision should be a rational and informed one. You do not believe it would be best to point out issues that have arisen in this regard? Just because you do not mind your privacy being invaded -- there has been no decisive evidence that this has been resolved -- should not mean I should refrain from calling Dolphin the privacy-steal king to alert other people -- who might or might not care -- to their practices. An old fox is merely a bit balder, not necessarily better, than before.
And as far as Google's data mining is concerned: obviously, that's their main goal, even -- but at least it is relatively clear from their EULAs while Dolphin kept its users in the dark on purpose. In many civilized countries you can be locked up for that type of fraud.
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I was under the impression this has been resolved. Eh whatever... I'm not worried. Like what the other poster said, Google is probably a bigger data mining culprit than dolphin is.
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See post above -- at least they are more or less upfront.
That's fine if you haven't encoded your movies already. All my blurays have been encoded using high bit rates for my htpc. Most of my 720ps are 4-6gb. I'm not going to re encoded them all. Any way you look at it, storage is an issue if you plan to use nexus 7 as a multimedia device.
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I can't really imagine this being a large issue, for even in that cas, you still cannot watch more than one movie at the same time. And again, it's just about compromises, as you can't have your cake and eat it too. In the relevant case, either drop the TF700 and go for a N7 and be merry (correct me if I'm wrong, but you will lose the HD screen anyway, so the encoding quality matters less as well) and shift around your files more often, or keep the TF700 and get a great screen and expandable memory, and a charging dock, etc.
I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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"It's just the truth." Sounds like a religious statement to me. : |
Anyway, the internet is a surefire way to get the worst apps because a lot of these amateur review blogs give even the worst crap decent 'scores'. And as jdeoxys said, iOS sports a boatload of fart apps -- I guess we sure need to catch up. To make the discussion a bit more relevant: do we miss a significant number of functions on Android that iOS does provide? I think that is a much more meaningful comparison than the raw number of crapplets posted in the markets.
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And as far as Google's data mining is concerned: obviously, that's their main goal, even -- but at least it is relatively clear from their EULAs while Dolphin kept its users in the dark on purpose. In many civilized countries you can be locked up for that type of fraud.
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Oh, so it's ok to steal your data as long as they tell you they are doing it?!?! Hey, to each their own, I guess!
To everyone else, Dolphin is a great browser that I used for years without any issues whatsoever with my "privacy". Don't let this scare you away.
Although, I've personally switched over to Boat Browser now - I like it even more than Dolphin now!
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Oh, so it's ok to steal your data as long as they tell you they are doing it?!?! Hey, to each their own, I guess!
To everyone else, Dolphin is a great browser that I used for years without any issues whatsoever with my "privacy". Don't let this scare you away.
Although, I've personally switched over to Boat Browser now - I like it even more than Dolphin now!
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Yes I would say it's okay because in that case it's not stealing anymore. If the people don't read the EULA's it's not the companies fault the information was available.
That's why everyone went mad at apple and their tracking issue.
Google has been doing that for ages but it left you a) the choice and b) it informed you straight from the beginning.
It's all about asking.
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I can't really imagine this being a large issue, for even in that cas, you still cannot watch more than one movie at the same time. And again, it's just about compromises, as you can't have your cake and eat it too. In the relevant case, either drop the TF700 and go for a N7 and be merry (correct me if I'm wrong, but you will lose the HD screen anyway, so the encoding quality matters less as well) and shift around your files more often, or keep the TF700 and get a great screen and expandable memory, and a charging dock, etc.
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I don't know about a "large" issue, but it is an issue if you plan on using it as a multimedia device. 16gb is not a lot storage these days. When you factor in the OS, music, pics, videos, games, it gets filled up pretty quickly. Sure I can transfer movies in one at a time, but its a big pain in a$$ and I'll have to bring along some sort of external storage.
The N7's resolution supports 720p. The bitrate doesn't have anything to with HD.
I agree with you it is a compromise. In my first post of this thread I was pointing to the OP that the lack of storage is a down side (compromise) to the N7. I'm not saying he shouldn't get the N7. I was just pointing out what he will be missing.
"It's just the truth." Sounds like a religious statement to me. : |
Anyway, the internet is a surefire way to get the worst apps because a lot of these amateur review blogs give even the worst crap decent 'scores'. And as jdeoxys said, iOS sports a boatload of fart apps -- I guess we sure need to catch up. To make the discussion a bit more relevant: do we miss a significant number of functions on Android that iOS does provide? I think that is a much more meaningful comparison than the raw number of crapplets posted in the markets.
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uh....android host just as many fart apps on the play store. Type fart in the play store search and you'll get 20 pages of apps for farts. This isn't only an apple thing. We're talking about tablet optimized apps here, not just any app. For example, facebook and twitter have their official tablet versions on ipad, but not on android? There are many more examples. The total number of good quality functional tablet apps still greatly out number android at the moment.
btw I'm pro android here. I don't own one single apple device - no macbook, iphone, ipad or even ipod. I'm just pointing out that android is behind in the tablet space, but hopefully they will catch up now with the popularity of N7.

Multi-app launcher?

I saw someone post one time here (lost it, I'll never find that post again lol) that there was a tablet launcher that would be able to run several apps at one time on the screen that was being developed. Does anyone remember this? It sounded like a great idea, and I'd like to see if it's still in development. It would prove to be an incredibly useful thing on this tablet, especially using the dock.
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I think what you are looking for is called Overskreen on the play store.

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I think what you are looking for is called Overskreen on the play store.
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Overskreen is a browser app that allows multiple browsers (which is awesome, BTW). He's looking for a program to do what the new Samsung Note is doing how you can have a window for an actual app and not just a browser. I looked heavily into it and found a company that was (can't remember if they still are) working on it but it seemed like a lost hope. Hopefully with Samsung bringing it back, the source will be released and this will start again. I know our tablet can def handle it. But don't take what I say as a final; I'm sure missed some posts/links that could say otherwise. Keep us posted! :highfive:

Here's why it died.
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/samsung-adds-multi-window-despite-threat-from-google-2012109/

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Here's why it died.
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/samsung-adds-multi-window-despite-threat-from-google-2012109/
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Now that was an awesome link; thanks! Hopefully with Samsung being able to not anger fully the Google Gods, this will def open the door (if even a smidge) to bring this back. I hope!!! :fingers-crossed:

Personally, I am extremely disappointed in google for this move. Instead of supporting innovation of their OS that could rightfully cripple apple's attractiveness to business in favor of android-- they have stifled the creativity of the largest body of developers. With the ability that cornerstone could provide, android becomes a viable platform as a thin client, or desktop replacement for many companies.
I am currently involved in using our beloved tf700 for a project to replace thin clients for one of our IT firm's customers. I am currently letting them use the tf700, dock, usb hub, usb kb/mouse, and usb network adapter- then plug the hdmi into a full size monitor for a replacement. I install overskreen, stickit player, aircalc, and the xtralogic rdp client to facilitate a pretty user friendly android desktop. They can connect to a full terminal server session for a full windows desktop but usually use a remoteapp connection for a quick word or excel document if needed. If cornerstone was something that I could use instead- it would make all but the rdp client unneeded.
BRING BACK CORNERSTONE-- or here is a novel idea.... build it into android!!! Just as cyan-mod was going to do as an option. Have a control in the google app store that allows people to see a compatibility warning about using it in a window. Then offer an attractive option to developers to charge a little more to provide the functionality in their application.

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Personally, I am extremely disappointed in google for this move. Instead of supporting innovation of their OS that could rightfully cripple apple's attractiveness to business in favor of android-- they have stifled the creativity of the largest body of developers. With the ability that cornerstone could provide, android becomes a viable platform as a thin client, or desktop replacement for many companies.
I am currently involved in using our beloved tf700 for a project to replace thin clients for one of our IT firm's customers. I am currently letting them use the tf700, dock, usb hub, usb kb/mouse, and usb network adapter- then plug the hdmi into a full size monitor for a replacement. I install overskreen, stickit player, aircalc, and the xtralogic rdp client to facilitate a pretty user friendly android desktop. They can connect to a full terminal server session for a full windows desktop but usually use a remoteapp connection for a quick word or excel document if needed. If cornerstone was something that I could use instead- it would make all but the rdp client unneeded.
BRING BACK CORNERSTONE-- or here is a novel idea.... build it into android!!! Just as cyan-mod was going to do as an option. Have a control in the google app store that allows people to see a compatibility warning about using it in a window. Then offer an attractive option to developers to charge a little more to provide the functionality in their application.
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The problem is that cornerstone stopped development on their drivers. It isn't so much an app, but an addition to the framework to allow for this. I'm not sure if they continued to ics, but the last update they made to their source was back in February. It's a possibility that it could be modified to work, but without looking, I don't know if that's still an option.
My idea is that once official cm is ready, I'll clone the source and attempt to build it in, but it's a long shot.
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The problem is that cornerstone stopped development on their drivers. It isn't so much an app, but an addition to the framework to allow for this. I'm not sure if they continued to ics, but the last update they made to their source was back in February. It's a possibility that it could be modified to work, but without looking, I don't know if that's still an option.
My idea is that once official cm is ready, I'll clone the source and attempt to build it in, but it's a long shot.
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I really think it would be a great idea. Seriously, why bully people out of something cool because it may not work properly? Isn't that the point of development? If they brought it back as a sort of switch in the settings, that would be perfectly fine. Maybe include a warning. That way they give the user the choice to use something awesome that may or may not work properly.
The way Google handled it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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I'm sure that if multi-app-launcher is on JB, we're going to get this some day by our great dev here on XDA. We just need to wait the rom is out. Take a look a all new features on Note2, like Google now, camera and gallary (Jelly bean only) they already ported to Galaxy S3 (still running ICS) by using the JB leaks. It just matter of time gentlement!

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I'm sure that if multi-app-launcher is on JB, we're going to get this some day by our great dev here on XDA. We just need to wait the rom is out. Take a look a all new features on Note2, like Google now, camera and gallary (Jelly bean only) they already ported to Galaxy S3 (still running ICS) by using the JB leaks. It just matter of time gentlement!
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Devs can't use Samsung proprietary s/w in their ROMs because of copyright issues and XDA rules prohibit the inclusion of copyrighted material in ROMs made available on the site to protect them from litigation. At the end of the day it comes down to Samsung being more important to Google than CM/Cornerstone. As the article stated, CM can do anything they want but Google reserves the right to sanction their efforts by restricting Play access. It's a tough world we live in and it's not always fair.

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http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/samsung-adds-multi-window-despite-threat-from-google-2012109/
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That is a fantastic article, and a horrific tale. I've been wondering why things went south myself.

Completely Disappointed With TF700t

Suffice to say that after being in the iOS environment for the past few years, my venture into Android with the TF700 has been lackluster at best. I've had the tablet for 24 hours and have been utterly disappointed with its performance. For being the premier android tablet on the market, it's no wonder people migrating from iOS are having such terrible experiences.
Firstly, I'd say that about 20% of the apps i've downloaded have crashed or stalled on me. These are all main stream apps, nothing from small developers, its from the googles, amazon, pandora, etc...
This tablet couldn't stream music, run the ftp client, and browse the web at the same time.... the tablet was sugglish and the music would stop playing at times.
App loading time is crazy slow.... i feel like i'm working on a 486 here..... browsing speed and rendering is terrible also.... I can't believe you guys are able to actually be productive on this thing. It's most likely going in a drawer full of other ****ty devices i've bought over the years.
While not a fan of the closed of iOS ecosystem, I have to tell you that the OS is stable and polished. The apps all look beautiful and well made, the ipad doesn't freeze, and it's overall a more intuitive system. I prefer the open source aspect of android, but wow, this tablet was a complete let down. My business partner's ipad 1 is still a better and smoother experience than this piece of junk.

My wife has both an iPad and an iPhone, they most certainly do crash. I have used both and the TF700T is not nearly as bad as you describe. It out performs the hell out of the iPad with proper maintenance. I am not sure why you have had such a bad experience, but the device is far from a piece of junk. As for app crashes, again your experience differs greatly. I rarely have crashes at all, let alone from the app devs you mentioned. I will admit that the iOS is nice and simple, but I find its more geared towards the non-technologically inclined. Perhaps the Android OS just isn't for you?

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My wife has both an iPad and an iPhone, they most certainly do crash. I have used both and the TF700T is not nearly as bad as you describe. It out performs the hell out of the iPad with proper maintenance. I am not sure why you have had such a bad experience, but the device is far from a piece of junk. As for app crashes, again your experience differs greatly. I rarely have crashes at all, let alone from the app devs you mentioned. I will admit that the iOS is nice and simple, but I find its more geared towards the non-technologically inclined. Perhaps the Android OS just isn't for you?
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Hey there... I am a programmer and web designer, grew up building custom computers and web sites and programming a lot, so I am familiar with the open source platforms and the more tech-related aspects of technology. That being said, Android itself has to far to go it's almost not even work dealing with. I don't know why I am having these issues, maybe its growing pains but that being said, I was expecting a completely different experience. So many things are absent from Android and so many things simply don't work. Overall I'm disappointed with the browsing experience most.... half of the time the pages don't finish rendering by the time I get to the bottom, and I'm on a 20Mb connection and am only running the browser on the tablet..... I'm so torn here

If one does a search of the general section here in the TF700T forum using the word "disappointed" about 20 or so threads will show up.
A lot to wade thru for sure...it's all pretty much been covered however.
Apologies for your disappointments with Infinity.

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Hey there... I am a programmer and web designer, grew up building custom computers and web sites and programming a lot, so I am familiar with the open source platforms and the more tech-related aspects of technology. That being said, Android itself has to far to go it's almost not even work dealing with. I don't know why I am having these issues, maybe its growing pains but that being said, I was expecting a completely different experience. So many things are absent from Android and so many things simply don't work. Overall I'm disappointed with the browsing experience most.... half of the time the pages don't finish rendering by the time I get to the bottom, and I'm on a 20Mb connection and am only running the browser on the tablet..... I'm so torn here
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Well, you are right about the browser, if iirc out of the box, the browser sucks. If you want to give it another chance you might look into browser2ram. You can search it here on the forum and I think its on the play store, really takes care of the browser sluggishness. Just a note most of the issues with this tablet in particular aren't Android OS related, per se, a lot of the issues come from things Asus has done/ not fixed yet. I have several other Android devices that required no tweaking at all to run well right out of the box. If your interested in getting really into increasing performance/bug fixes, the CleanRom custom rom is supposed to be the best, but be warned, unlocking your bootloader to do custom roms/recoveries voids your warranty. Given that your device is new this may not be for you. The best thing I can suggest is deciding if all the work you may need to put into the tablet to get it the way you like it worth the time to you, if not, the iPad may indeed be more useful to you. The closed enviroment of the iPad has its advantages.

97prelude said:
Suffice to say that after being in the iOS environment for the past few years, my venture into Android with the TF700 has been lackluster at best. I've had the tablet for 24 hours and have been utterly disappointed with its performance.
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Do you judge everything and everyone within 24 hours of getting to know it/him/her? The Hynix storage controller was a bad, bad decision by ASUS, w' all agree, but a good custom ROM fixes a lot of the problems. You should not have to void your warranty to get a well-performing device, though, so I'd say I agree.
For being the premier android tablet on the market, it's no wonder people migrating from iOS are having such terrible experiences.
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On what data do you base that statement? I do not believe there are that many disgruntled ex-iAdopters -- most are perfectly happy, I guess.
Firstly, I'd say that about 20% of the apps i've downloaded have crashed or stalled on me. These are all main stream apps, nothing from small developers, its from the googles, amazon, pandora, etc...
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No larger-developer apps have crashed on me regularly, and even the apps from smaller devs play quite nicely most of the time (even if not in a tablet-specific layout. ).
This tablet couldn't stream music, run the ftp client, and browse the web at the same time.... the tablet was sugglish and the music would stop playing at times.
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I've been running FTP clients from day 1, so still on the stock ROM, and I have never had any issues at all. Music steeaming over Bluetooth is a known issue, but that is not confined to the 700.
App loading time is crazy slow.... i feel like i'm working on a 486 here...
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Try runnign a 486 and then asking it to do whatever yo uexpect from the Infinity: pushing a FullHD screen and running a 3D game, for example. Then come back in here and share your observations as to whether the 700 is really that slow.
browsing speed and rendering is terrible also.... I can't believe you guys are able to actually be productive on this thing.
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I cannot believe how much more I am doing know as compared to, say, a year ago. I'm not only readin during the commute, but brwosing, Whatsapping, emailing, the **** -- I signed up here in 2008, I believe and had 30 posts when the Infinity came in; I've never been pestering XDA this much before.
It's most likely going in a drawer full of other ****ty devices i've bought over the years.
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Impulse buys? Early adopting poses a risk, as you should know well.
While not a fan of the closed of iOS ecosystem, I have to tell you that the OS is stable and polished.
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...and severly limited, essentially closed down. That also explains why it is far easier to support, or develop for, since you know in detail what hardware and OS to work with (or against).
The apps all look beautiful and well made,
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all of 'em?
the ipad doesn't freeze,
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I'm sure it does, actually. This blanket statement makes me doubt your veracity or uprighteousness.
and it's overall a more intuitive system.
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Although it's a matter og çolor'and terminology, I usually prefer the term "dumbed down". It's pick-up-and-use, compared to the freely tweakable and slightly more complex ANdroid ecosystem.
I prefer the open source aspect of android, but wow, this tablet was a complete let down. My business partner's ipad 1 is still a better and smoother experience than this piece of junk.
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The TF700 should outperform the iPad 1 and 2 out of the box, and should do the same to the iPad 3 when tweaked.
97prelude said:
Hey there... I am a programmer and web designer, grew up building custom computers and web sites and programming a lot, so I am familiar with the open source platforms and the more tech-related aspects of technology. That being said, Android itself has to far to go it's almost not even work dealing with.
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Again, a blanket statement which is not that valid at all. This is just your point of view -- I can work with all my Android pretty effectively and efficiently (save the LG O2x which happens to be a VERY, VERY bad device).
I don't know why I am having these issues, maybe its growing pains but that being said, I was expecting a completely different experience.
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Based on the numbers, it does sound like a golden device, and again, I agree that out of the box, the storage system should have performed much better.
So many things are absent from Android
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Examples?
and so many things simply don't work.
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Examples?
Overall I'm disappointed with the browsing experience most.... half of the time the pages don't finish rendering by the time I get to the bottom, and I'm on a 20Mb connection and am only running the browser on the tablet..... I'm so torn here
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No issues on sotck browser, but then I use Brwoser2RAM as well -- makes the browsing significantly faster and pleasurable.
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My wife has both an iPad and an iPhone, they most certainly do crash. I have used both and the TF700T is not nearly as bad as you describe. It out performs the hell out of the iPad with proper maintenance. I am not sure why you have had such a bad experience, but the device is far from a piece of junk. As for app crashes, again your experience differs greatly. I rarely have crashes at all, let alone from the app devs you mentioned. I will admit that the iOS is nice and simple, but I find its more geared towards the non-technologically inclined. Perhaps the Android OS just isn't for you?
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This woudl have been a nicer way to voice my opinion.
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Well, you are right about the browser, if iirc out of the box, the browser sucks. If you want to give it another chance you might look into browser2ram.
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This really helps -- or just install CROMI and be done.
You can search it here on the forum and I think its on the play store, really takes care of the browser sluggishness. Just a note most of the issues with this tablet in particular aren't Android OS related, per se, a lot of the issues come from things Asus has done/ not fixed yet.
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Seconded.
I have several other Android devices that required no tweaking at all to run well right out of the box.
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Samesung, for example, has a knack for making very good devices that just perform out of the box.
If your interested in getting really into increasing performance/bug fixes, the CleanRom custom rom is supposed to be the best, but be warned, unlocking your bootloader to do custom roms/recoveries voids your warranty. Given that your device is new this may not be for you.
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Especially when there's the even slightest hint of returning or selling.
The best thing I can suggest is deciding if all the work you may need to put into the tablet to get it the way you like it worth the time to you, if not, the iPad may indeed be more useful to you. The closed enviroment of the iPad has its advantages.
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Amen.
The one thing I am fed up with is the hinge build quality -- I've started a thread a few days ago; I won't threadjack.

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While not a fan of the closed of iOS ecosystem, I have to tell you that the OS is stable and polished. The apps all look beautiful and well made, the ipad doesn't freeze, and it's overall a more intuitive system. I prefer the open source aspect of android, but wow, this tablet was a complete let down. My business partner's ipad 1 is still a better and smoother experience than this piece of junk.
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The TF700, actually all Asus tablets, suffer from some unique performance and multitasking issues caused by the design (h/w) choices Asus made. Do a search on “Asus IO issues” either on XDA or Google. The "best" Android tablet in terms of performance, functions, and features available right now is the Note 10.1. Sadly, to your point about compromise, it only has a 147 PPI 720P display which makes it a non-starter for quite a few people. The Nexus 10 is a great Android tablet on paper but suffers from QC issues and a lot of folks find the phone UI Google's using on it both odd and a bit barren feature's wise. At $499 for the 32GB version with no SD slot for expansion it’s no bargain either. Samsung's releasing their own version of the N10 (P5200) which might be a true iPad competitor in performance, functions, features, and hopefully quality. It’ll have an SD card slot and most likely multiview which is a killer feature on a 10” tablet and something that will set it apart from the iPad. It’s supposed to be announced on the 19th and available in March. Maybe that's worth a look before abandoning Android all together.

97prelude said:
Hey there... I am a programmer and web designer, grew up building custom computers and web sites and programming a lot, so I am familiar with the open source platforms and the more tech-related aspects of technology. That being said, Android itself has to far to go it's almost not even work dealing with. I don't know why I am having these issues, maybe its growing pains but that being said, I was expecting a completely different experience. So many things are absent from Android and so many things simply don't work. Overall I'm disappointed with the browsing experience most.... half of the time the pages don't finish rendering by the time I get to the bottom, and I'm on a 20Mb connection and am only running the browser on the tablet..... I'm so torn here
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I know why you're having these issues. (I feel like that baby in those V8 commercials, *bop* you on the head)
you're doing development work with a ASUS Transformer Infinity IS your problem.
The Transformer Infinity TF700T, TF300, and TF201 / Prime tablet all have underline software (but more likely) hardware problems that are the reason they at times perform very slow. ASUS to-date still haven't resolved this with any update release, which is why I'm teetering to think this is hardware.
OP you should have gone with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, or Galaxy Note 10.1 for your testing. SAMSUNG is quality, ASUS is just hype and they got a lot press from being the first to show off a keyboard docking tablet that can convert easily to a netbook. Fast forward nearly 2 years later and everyone copied the idea and doing it far better than ASUS.

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SAMSUNG is quality, ASUS is just hype and they got a lot press from being the first to show off a keyboard docking tablet that can convert easily to a netbook. Fast forward nearly 2 years later and everyone copied the idea and doing it far better than ASUS.
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What are these "far better than ASUS" "keyboard docking tablet that can convert easily to a netbook" you speak of? I only know of asus transformer line that can do this on android... I've been searching for higher resolution / better build quality alternative to asus transformer for a long time now and I haven't found any. (we are talking about tablets that jave keyboard docks which house extra battery, extra connections, extra storage, etc.)
I would probably stand in line for a Samsung built 10" (or bigger) tablets with nexus 10-like screen resolution that comes with detachable keyboard dock (transformer style; form tablet to notebook quick and easy) housing extra battery, storage and connections. If it came with vanilla android sans all bloatware I'd probably camp in front of the store to get one.
Something like this was rumored as part of the Samsungs Project J (now called Altius) but according to the latest leaks these rumors might not have been true :crying:
I really really really want a well built high end tablet transformer running android (I'd settle for other non-Apple && non-M$ OSes if need be), but I just can't buy one.

Commit or don't. Unlock your bootloader. Install CROMI, hell, do a dual boot with ubuntu Linux. My tf700 does almost everything my laptop can do as long as I can make the software run on an ARM cpu..
You brag about how 1337 you are, so put your mind to work and make the device work for you. I HATED the TF700 until I dumped all the stock software. the stock rom is worthless. Mine is fast and the battery lasts all damn day. I can't complain. and if Android won't do it, Linux will. The screen resolution is right, the compliment of hardware is decent and the dock with external battery is the single BEST feature it's got.
but the stock software does suck, but it's all written in C, not HTML/PHP. Be 1337 or return it and get your money back. I love mine. I personally will NEVER bite into the Apple. iOS sucks and it always will. I like being able to download the source code that runs my device and modify it the way I see fit. that's why the only mac/windows machines I use are virtual and running on my Linux box.
Buy the hardware you want and make the software you want or stfu.
and where does it say this is the "Premier Android Tablet"? It's not the Transformer Nexus... then it would be a Premier device.
sounds like yours has an ID 10 T error.

Cheapxj said:
You brag about how 1337 you are...sounds like yours has an ID 10 T error.
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hahaha... that made me laugh :highfive:

97prelude said:
Completely Disappointed With TF700t
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The TF700 is very disappointing in its stock state. You shouldn't have to do it to make your tablet run fast and smooth, but you should unlock the bootloader and put CleanROM on it. Further, you can go into "Developer Options" under "Settings" and disable all animations. I couldn't stand looking at the slide-show animations, so now everything pops up and opens/closes instantly and smoothly. While you're in the "Developer Options", you can also turn on "Force GPU Rendering" which helps as well.
As with some devices like the G-Tab, some phones, and the TF700, you have to unlock them and put different ROM's on them to make them run like they should've from the factory to begin with.
Once you unlock, install a ROM, and do a few tweaks (and use a different browser like Boat Browser), I think you'll be pleased at the performance of your TF700.

Uh boy...
I shouldn't be posting an opinion since the last go around thread complaining about the Infinity.
Most people that show up here on XDA are looking for an answer, guide to tweaking or perhaps even trying to help.
I get so tired of these threads touting disappointment with a device.
We all know there are bugs, deficiencies, better options, damage out of the box, on and on...
If it breaks or causes frowning return or get the frigging thing fixed.
Why the drive to whine about it here?
I wish the moderation team could gather all the booboo threads and put them in their own section so they were easier to avoid.
Then the roving gangs of haters could hang together outside of the HELP forums.
XDA ain't what it use to be...

Totally agree @thats ok
This started life as a development site, hint is in the name. I wish I could avoid these posts as well.
I come here to read about, discover and maybe release some cool mods/developments. There are other websites you can post your dissatisfaction to Asus on. They certainly won't do anything with it here.
And the answer to the issues. Unlock and flash a custom rom. How ironic.

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Totally agree @thats ok
This started life as a development site, hint is in the name. I wish I could avoid these posts as well.
I come here to read about, discover and maybe release some cool mods/developments. There are other websites you can post your dissatisfaction to Asus on. They certainly won't do anything with it here.
And the answer to the issues. Unlock and flash a custom rom. How ironic.
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You are right, and I have nothing to add as far as substance goes.
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Uh boy...
I shouldn't be posting an opinion since the last go around thread complaining about the Infinity.
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I vaguely remember taking part in a few of these threads and normally they do end up pretty badly -- especially as far as these iOS v. Android type threads are concerned.
Most people that show up here on XDA are looking for an answer, guide to tweaking or perhaps even trying to help.
I get so tired of these threads touting disappointment with a device.
We all know there are bugs, deficiencies, better options, damage out of the box, on and on...
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My first Android experience ws with an LG O2x --the worst smartphone ever the carry that designation -- and I was mainly on MoDaCo then. My next device was a Samsung SGS2 (you live, you learn), and I went over to XDA. Looking back, it strikes me how friendly and open I perceived that forum to be, and that could have to do with the overall excllence of the device itself. Nonetheless, even the SGS2 has (had) its fair share of bugs and quirkyness, but it seemed so much easier to handle for some. I still don't understand why, since every appliance known to mankind has its faults, whether that is a flintstone hammer or the Space Shuttle. Going by that example: the more technologically advanced the appliance, the more opportunity for (fatal) error.
If it breaks or causes frowning return or get the frigging thing fixed.
Why the drive to whine about it here?
I wish the moderation team could gather all the booboo threads and put them in their own section so they were easier to avoid.
Then the roving gangs of haters could hang together outside of the HELP forums.
XDA ain't what it use to be...
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You're growing old, -that -- but then I guess so am I. I'm far from retirement age (partly unfortunately ) --I'm 34-- but even online I sense that life experience makes me react differently than, say, ten years ago. It's not all good, but I guess it is a normal development. I guess pretty much anything has changed over time, but we'll have to cope with it.

Have to agree stock was not all that impressive. With clean rom it is a great machine. I have to say ipad is smooth but just seems made for the simple type person. I personally love the way I get to tinker with Android systems, I think most of us are on XDA for that reason.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T

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You're growing old, -that -- but then I guess so am I. I'm far from retirement age (partly unfortunately ) --I'm 34-- but even online I sense that life experience makes me react differently than, say, ten years ago. It's not all good, but I guess it is a normal development. I guess pretty much anything has changed over time, but we'll have to cope with it.
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You're right Marty
I do get grumpy a lot...
Remember the "buttery smooth" claims from ICS to JB...man when the switch happened that's when I really started frowning.
One day I said "ok that's it" and forced myself to improve things with a custom set-up.
Thank goodness I have never had the mechanical bugs that were so often reported by others.
Whew!

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What are these "far better than ASUS" "keyboard docking tablet that can convert easily to a netbook" you speak of? I only know of asus transformer line that can do this on android... I've been searching for higher resolution / better build quality alternative to asus transformer for a long time now and I haven't found any. (we are talking about tablets that jave keyboard docks which house extra battery, extra connections, extra storage, etc.)
I would probably stand in line for a Samsung built 10" (or bigger) tablets with nexus 10-like screen resolution that comes with detachable keyboard dock (transformer style; form tablet to notebook quick and easy) housing extra battery, storage and connections. If it came with vanilla android sans all bloatware I'd probably camp in front of the store to get one.
Something like this was rumored as part of the Samsungs Project J (now called Altius) but according to the latest leaks these rumors might not have been true :crying:
I really really really want a well built high end tablet transformer running android (I'd settle for other non-Apple && non-M$ OSes if need be), but I just can't buy one.
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I'm going to give you the same response someone told me here. Your expectations are way too high.

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Suffice to say that after being in the iOS environment for the past few years, my venture into Android with the TF700 has been lackluster at best. I've had the tablet for 24 hours and have been utterly disappointed with its performance. For being the premier android tablet on the market, it's no wonder people migrating from iOS are having such terrible experiences.
Firstly, I'd say that about 20% of the apps i've downloaded have crashed or stalled on me. These are all main stream apps, nothing from small developers, its from the googles, amazon, pandora, etc...
This tablet couldn't stream music, run the ftp client, and browse the web at the same time.... the tablet was sugglish and the music would stop playing at times.
App loading time is crazy slow.... i feel like i'm working on a 486 here..... browsing speed and rendering is terrible also.... I can't believe you guys are able to actually be productive on this thing. It's most likely going in a drawer full of other ****ty devices i've bought over the years.
While not a fan of the closed of iOS ecosystem, I have to tell you that the OS is stable and polished. The apps all look beautiful and well made, the ipad doesn't freeze, and it's overall a more intuitive system. I prefer the open source aspect of android, but wow, this tablet was a complete let down. My business partner's ipad 1 is still a better and smoother experience than this piece of junk.
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Having owned a couple of ipads (1 and 2), I can tell you that iOS does crash just like all other operating systems. I've been working with many different OSes over the years, and apps crashing is an unavoidable part of life.
The reason people think iOS doesn't crash is because Apple made the decision to not inform people when something has crashed. It's pretty clever, actually. In windows, android, Linux, and everything else, whenever something crashes there is an error message telling you an error has occurred and so-and-so. But in iOS, when something crashes, you just end up back in the home screen. Most people at this point would think that they accidentally pressed the wrong button or the home button. And also, the lack of an error message means there's no interruption of experience causing the user to not remember.
I have to agree with some others here. You bragged about being a 1337 and then you went ahead and showed us you don't really know much about the systems.
I recently sold my infinity and bought an asus vivotab rt. After having used the vivotab rt for about a week, holy cow this thing is great. Both android and iOS are slow and sluggish compared to windows rt. If you want something that flies, get a windows rt tablet.
I'm amazed how there is no lag time between swipes. It's amazing to watch the screen following your finger without delay.

Another one of these? Is it really that hard to post it in an existing thread? Or do you fear you won't get as much attention if you do? Look at meeeeeeeeee, what I have to say is more important than the other person saying the exact same thing!
Let me explain a vital difference to you. XDA is a Developers forum. Not a 'moan about how a product doesn't meet your insanely high expectations' forum. And it certainly is not a 'compare it to an iCrap' forum!
Complaining can be done here: http://vip.asus.com/VIP2/Services/complain
MartyHulskemper said:
You're growing old, -that -- but then I guess so am I. I'm far from retirement age (partly unfortunately ) --I'm 34-- but even online I sense that life experience makes me react differently than, say, ten years ago. It's not all good, but I guess it is a normal development. I guess pretty much anything has changed over time, but we'll have to cope with it.
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I'm 22 and already I feel the internet consists entirely of elementary school children crying to their mothers about how their classmates have a lollipop and they don't... with a staggering lack of proper grammar, at that. Maybe I'm just old for my age, but I imagine it's even worse for you guys.