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Android tablets need work--alot of work...

Just returned from Xmas shopping and thought I was going to get some tablets for family members but found them to be frustratingly slow when compared to the iPad--which is what people are going to do, even though they shouldn't, they're going to. Google did announced that Android <2.2 is simply not ready for tablets and I couldn't agree more.
I have an iPad at home and the cheapest iPad competes successfully with the best tablets Android has, the Dell Streak and Samsung tab. Those tablets are <$600, so's the iPad. Unless there's a specific reason why you'd rather use an Android tablet when the screen is smaller and the whole tablet is overall slower, the choice is easily iPad.
I heard a shopper try to use one and comment how slow Android is. I showed him my Evo to tell him that Android's still in progress, it'll get faster. Unless you don't mind paying for $300 or less for frustration, (inexpensive) Android tablets are just not ready. I hear Honeycomb will have a tabler-optimized system.
** mind you, I'm a Phandroid so...

Couldn't agree more. The galaxy tab is an embarrassment. I tried using one in a store the other day and got 3 force closes in ten minutes, plus a jerky UI and ****house resolution.

I liked the Tab a lot, thought it was really great. Didn't have any issues with it when I played it with it. But I agree to an extent. Problem is, most Android tablets are made poorly. Archos is about the only one that has made decent tablets aside from Dell and Samsung. It could be better though, I'll say that. Right now Android is suited for mobile phones. For a good reason, it's a phone OS.

More reason to look forward to honeycomb. The flagship Google tablet should set the standard for android tablets.

tknz said:
More reason to look forward to honeycomb. The flagship Google tablet should set the standard for android tablets.
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Yes! And they're going to kick butt. Apple optimized the iPhone's OS for three years before they brought out the iPad. Android is only about three years old, isn't it? I just hope that the crappy tablets out there now haven't damaged Android's rep.
Or Google should've just thrown ChromeOS on tablets. Chrome is basically what I use on my Ubuntu powered netbook. I rarely see the desktop anymore.

I have had a galaxy tab for about 27 days..I also have an ipad that i've had for awhile....I like the tab but it's going back tomarrow...Had 3 and all 3 had dead pixels..I think the screen is better than ipad and using the apps and playing with OS is peppy like my Vibrant but start browsing and it becomes sluggish...Some sites are much worst than others...The stock browser is by far the slowest thing ever..dolphin hd is better but still sluggish..I tried all browsers and disabling flash/plugins and different settings ...No matter what i try browsing is not smooth like my ipad...I hoped a fix came out or a ROM that would fix the laggy browsing but nothing yet....I really like the tab because of A: Android OS vs the boring basic ios4 and B: The screen is better than my ipad...While the ipad screen is very nice the tab is better and once samoled starts coming on them ohhh my!

Google had plenty of time to make the OS smooth, 2.3 is a big fail. I don't know what google has given to people but everyone believes that android will be the next big thing. Seems like we will never reach the promised land.
People had so much expectations about gingerbread, new UI, gpu accelerated graphics, the smoothness, new integration with social networking... Instead you get a 2.3 with a new keyboard and few little things people don't care.
After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but is like google doesn't give two ****s about it.
I bought an ipad this past weekend, jailbroke it, and started installing apps and end of story. I have games that i have fun playing with and apps that doesn't look like crap. If iphone had 3g in tmobile i'd consider getting an iphone.

greenstuffs said:
After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but google don't give two ****s about it.
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It seems like you're the type that just wants their computer to work..[period]. This is not a criticism, you must just not be interested in hacking and modding your phone and why should you have to? There are so many choices out there, you don't have to use an Android phone--unless you were forced into using one.
Some of the apps are crap and some are are not but the choice is yours. The good apps filter to the top and bad ones never surface. I only choose apps that are four stars or better so my apps aren't crap--not to me at least. Don't you think that sort of freedom is nice? I do!
I, for one am glad that Google doesn't give two-****s about it ( I think they do ), it's an open source project and what you do with "your" phone is up to "you". We've never had this sort of freedom and I'm grateful we finally have it. But you don't have to try new ROMs or read any stickies if you don't enjoy it. I know Android phone users who have absolutely no plans to ever root their phone because they're happy with the way the carrier set it up for them--great!
I came from the Blackberry world and the only thing I could do with that was change the wallpaper and the size of the fonts *yawn*. RIM did everything for me and I had no clue what they were doing. Also, I've had Apple products, they magically patch things for me--what's going on? I'd like to know... Apple says, "no you don't--just use it, m'kay?" Microsoft does the same... No... Let's keep this open, I'm having a blast!

semperlux said:
It seems like you're the type that just wants their computer to work..[period]. This is not a criticism, you must just not be interested in hacking and modding your phone and why should you have to? There are so many choices out there, you don't have to use an Android phone--unless you were forced into using one.
Some of the apps are crap and some are are not but the choice is yours. The good apps filter to the top and bad ones never surface. I only choose apps that are four stars or better so my apps aren't crap--not to me at least. Don't you think that sort of freedom is nice? I do!
I, for one am glad that Google doesn't give two-****s about it ( I think they do ), it's an open source project and what you do with "your" phone is up to "you". We've never had this sort of freedom and I'm grateful we finally have it. But you don't have to try new ROMs or read any stickies if you don't enjoy it. I know Android phone users who have absolutely no plans to ever root their phone because they're happy with the way the carrier set it up for them--great!
I came from the Blackberry world and the only thing I could do with that was change the wallpaper and the size of the fonts *yawn*. RIM did everything for me and I had no clue what they were doing. Also, I've had Apple products, they magically patch things for me--what's going on? I'd like to know... Apple says, "no you don't--just use it, m'kay?" Microsoft does the same... No... Let's keep this open, I'm having a blast!
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Wow, well said mate, agreed except for Microsoft phones (WinMo), you can also buy them with the idea of tweaking, hacking, configuring everything to your liking, etc. in mind, unlike blackberry and apple.

XtriFe said:
Wow, well said mate, agreed except for Microsoft phones (WinMo), you can also buy them with the idea of tweaking, hacking, configuring everything to your liking, etc. in mind, unlike blackberry and apple.
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Oh? I didn't know that about WinMO. I think that to a point you can hack and mod anything you want. I've seen OS 7 running on an iPhone and thought that was impressive but have no idea if that's difficult or not. But that's not Apple's corporate philosophy where as AOSP, by definition will lends itself to extensive modification and is almost encouraged--man, I've dreamed of this.

greenstuffs said:
Google had plenty of time to make the OS smooth, 2.3 is a big fail. I don't know what google has given to people but everyone believes that android will be the next big thing. Seems like we will never reach the promised land.
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Android is pretty big right now and still growing.
People had so much expectations about gingerbread, new UI, gpu accelerated graphics, the smoothness, new integration with social networking... Instead you get a 2.3 with a new keyboard and few little things people don't care.
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The UI has different elements from previous versions, but this isn't the first time this happened. This happens with other platforms all the time. Windows Phone 7 for not having Copy and paste off the bat, or any decent homebrew support. Apple with the lack of multitasking, or Blackberry with something actually new and specs that can rival current Android phones!
After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but is like google doesn't give two ****s about it.
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It's not just google mind you, Google can only do so much. If you're gonna blame Google, then you have to blame Qualcomm, Samsung, TI, HTC, etc etc for making the phone and some of the drivers. And I don't know about you, but I didn't flash a new rom every day now. I just get a rom that's best for me, and if it needs updated, I update it. Same thing with stock roms. If Google didn't give 2 ****s about it, then why is Google still supporting Android as much as they are? I like the UI of Android a lot. Easy to customize and change, where as for the longest time in Ios and mostly still now, black background? Windows Phone 7, black background or a different color? For the apps, it's open source. That's what the reviews in the Marketplace are for. I've have good experiences with the apps.
I bought an ipad this past weekend, jailbroke it, and started installing apps and end of story. I have games that i have fun playing with and apps that doesn't look like crap. If iphone had 3g in tmobile i'd consider getting an iphone.
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Ios is also completely locked down in terms of development. Iphone 3g is also nothing compared to current Android phones now. An Arm11 v6 cpu, versus say an Arm Cortex a8? About 400-440mhz underclocked from 600mhz or so, versus even the Droid only being clocked at 550mhz, but having a huge advantage of better instruction sets and Adreno gpu? You obviously haven't done much homework either, Tmobile will support Iphone on their network, and there's even unlock codes in Cydia available. All you need to do, setup a plan with Tmobile, and get a Tmobile Sim card for that plan. It might now have the 3g network enabled, but there's your Iphone for you.
I'm not bad mouthing Apple, Iphone, Windows, Microsoft, WP7, or anything like that. But Apple has complete control over the Iphone and Ios(There isn't even an AT&T logo on the Iphone), WP7 is still young so we'll see how it turns out, and Android is still growing.

I would agree that the iPad is much more advanced. But the Galaxy Tab is pretty decent and I actually love the color nook. It is great for what it does...

Once released, Honeycomb should have a positve major impact on new futere Tablets.

semperlux said:
Just returned from Xmas shopping and thought I was going to get some tablets for family members but found them to be frustratingly slow when compared to the iPad--which is what people are going to do, even though they shouldn't, they're going to. Google did announced that Android <2.2 is simply not ready for tablets and I couldn't agree more.
I have an iPad at home and the cheapest iPad competes successfully with the best tablets Android has, the Dell Streak and Samsung tab. Those tablets are <$600, so's the iPad. Unless there's a specific reason why you'd rather use an Android tablet when the screen is smaller and the whole tablet is overall slower, the choice is easily iPad.
I heard a shopper try to use one and comment how slow Android is. I showed him my Evo to tell him that Android's still in progress, it'll get faster. Unless you don't mind paying for $300 or less for frustration, (inexpensive) Android tablets are just not ready. I hear Honeycomb will have a tabler-optimized system.
** mind you, I'm a Phandroid so...
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I completely disagree. You must not have done your homework well. Right now the best tablets are the tegra tablets. They own the ipad in every way possible and are receiving alot of development. As far as I know there are 4 out now: Toshiba Folio 100, Viewsonic G Tablet, Advent Vega, and the Elocity 7". I'm on the Viewsonic G Tablet, so far the rims developed by our Dev team are 1337! They can play flash, have full market, and are hella fast!

IPhone trying to ban sales of Galaxy phones in Europe

IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??

oka1 said:
IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??
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The major selling point of the s2 is the fact that it's the only hardware accelerated android phone. Throw cm7 or miui on there and its just another mediocre android device that's completely unimpressive. Unless either miui or cm plan on writing brand new drivers and Samsung intends to offer some sort of licensing deal then there's no real plus side to it.

Apple is pretty obnoxious. Their patents are ridiculously general

oka1 said:
IPhone is really trying to ban Galaxy phones now ??? in Europe ???
See link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14652482
What is going on Galaxy can get around this Just by not including their comple rom...........
This would create a GREAT opportunity for MIUI or CM to assist in the battle against IPhones specious arguments
Your Thought ??
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Not trying, actually doing. This time it is in the Netherlands where it is illegal for Samsung to sell the Galaxy S, Galaxy S 2.

MartyLK said:
his time it is in the Netherlands where it is illegal for Samsung to sell the Galaxy S, Galaxy S 2.
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No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
@z33dev33l: There is more to a phone than which chip is responsible for scrolling.

Gusar321 said:
No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
@z33dev33l: There is more to a phone than which chip is responsible for scrolling.
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its still just another laggy android phone without samsungs drivers.

Yeah, no matter how many people tell you they don't see any problems, all Androids are so laggy you measure scrolling in seconds per frame instead of frames per second. Sure.
Get a new shtick please, this one is getting boring.

Gusar321 said:
Yeah, no matter how many people tell you they don't see any problems, all Androids are so laggy you measure scrolling in seconds per frame instead of frames per second. Sure.
Get a new shtick please, this is is getting boring.
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nonsensical post first of all, second of all android did seem smooth til I got something smoother. Now every time I try to use an android device, gs2 included, I notice these little catches that I wouldn't have even seen before but now make the phone feel like I paid 500 dollars for feel cheap.

Of course it's nonsensical. But it's what you're saying all the time! So the nonsense is not on my part, but on yours. You *are* constantly talking as if Android is so slow, and as if all that matters on a phone is which chip does the scrolling. But of course when you're saying it, you don't see the nonsense in it.

protip, as usual: don't feed the troll.

Gusar321 said:
Of course it's nonsensical. But it's what you're saying all the time! So the nonsense is not on my part, but on yours. You *are* constantly talking as if Android is so slow, and as if all that matters on a phone is which chip does the scrolling. But of course when you're saying it, you don't see the nonsense in it.
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I was talking about your "seconds per frame" comment, none of what you said there made any sort of sense. Android is slow which is one of many faults in it, I like a phone that just works, nothing I have to crack flash roms to, nothing I have to download 40 apps to before it has basic functions, and certainly nothing that lags relentlessly and force closes on me. I just wanted a device that works how a smartphone should without spending days or weeks making it do so before the phone became moderately useful.

just to make sure you guys don't forget, considering my last reminder was on page 1:
don't feed the troll.

I don't even know why people with Iphones make an account on XDA...You take what apple gives you and that's that.

lowandbehold said:
I don't even know why people with Iphones make an account on XDA...You take what apple gives you and that's that.
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iPhones are horrendous aside from the app market, the UI is more cluttered than android though admittedly more uniform, and the hardware offers no choices. I am a long time winmo user and for a year and a half used android, I still have 14 android phones that dont get used. I'm just always on the lookout for the best. I'm a fanboy of no OS, whatever is best is what I use.

z33dev33l said:
I was talking about your "seconds per frame" comment, none of what you said there made any sort of sense.
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Oh, come on, surely you know that graphics speed (particularly 3d graphics) is measured in frames per second. You can't be going on and on about GPU acceleration the way you do and not know that. You're ether more clueless than I thought or just really good at trolling.
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I'm a fanboy of no OS
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You're capable of saying that with a straight face? Impressive. Very impressive. Oh, and LOL.
z33dev33l said:
of course I know that but your seconds per frame comment was what made no sense at all.
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Oh please. You have a brain. Use it.

pmcqueen said:
protip, as usual: don't feed the troll.
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Exactly,
BTW Samsung did enter into a agreement with Cyanogen group, my guess is it was preemptive strategy.
People who look at an Android phone as laggy have not really taken advantage of ALL the great work by the Devs here @ XDA, or Rootzwiki or elsewhere. My phone is screaming fast great battery life....etc.
My guess is Samsung along with HTC in particular are integrating the advancements made by US in the android community, because the fact that the op system is open all advancements can be blended in the best and fastest way. That is the beauty of the Android op system.
What Android is lacking is a singular voice......... Iphone is one phone one supplier. Android is many. So Iphone can effect great marketing assuring the customer that paying more for less is awesome and makes them feel good. But the fact is the Iphone is less for more. Android needs to get this message out in a single voice from all suppliers.

Gusar321 said:
Oh, come on, surely you know that graphics speed (particularly 3d graphics) is measured in frames per second. You can't be going on and on about GPU acceleration the way you do and not know that. You're ether more clueless than I thought or just really good at trolling.
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of course I know that but your seconds per frame comment was what made no sense at all.

oka1 said:
Exactly,
BTW Samsung did enter into a agreement with Cyanogen group, my guess is it was preemptive strategy.
People who look at an Android phone as laggy have not really taken advantage of ALL the great work by the Devs here @ XDA, or Rootzwiki or elsewhere. My phone is screaming fast great battery life....etc.
My guess is Samsung along with HTC in particular are integrating the advancements made by US in the android community, because the fact that the op system is open all advancements can be blended in the best and fastest way. That is the beauty of the Android op system.
What Android is lacking is a singular voice......... Iphone is one phone one supplier. Android is many. So Iphone can effect great marketing assuring the customer that paying more for less is awesome and makes them feel good. But the fact is the Iphone is less for more. Android needs to get this message out in a single voice from all suppliers.
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so they're combining the efforts of the xda community, google, and all of the OEMs to make an OS work almost as well as wp7 and (sadly) IOS do? Of course people will still have full system access to slow it down.

z33 i perfectly understand the point you wanna make here. I know you're not a simple troll, just a quite informed and very very picky user (like i am after all). Tbh i wasn't really likely to pick another android phone in the latest months, because i was (and i actually still am) disappointed about how the aosp is managed by google. After a year of usage i came to the conclusion that android os has many, MANY flaws. I started considering other devices, like wp7 phones, the iphone and even the new bold 9900, but after a lot of reflections i came to a quite simple conclusion: sure android isn't perfect, but jumping ship to any other os would have still felt like a downgrade to me, being used to what android offers to users: it simply felt like not having a real choice. Basically i (re)discovered that messing up my phone and being able to plug it to every pc or mac as a mere mass storage is actually something i like and need. So a couple weeks ago i looked around, checked which one was the most up to date and powerful android phone and picked up my sgs2, simple as that. Now i'm running a simple aosp rom, and i can say i'm not bothered that much about not having samsung's hw accelerated ui (which is a bit of a lie actually: if you load the tw launcher with a few widgets it actually lags): i use opera mobile for browsing, which is totally fast and smooth (buttery smooth), and launcher pro plus as a launcher, which is virtually lag free on this device, regardless how badly you load it with widgets.
It's true, you can see it from what i just said, android is all about workarounds to avoid flaws and bugs, but honestly i prefer *****ing a bit more with my phone to get it running as i like rather than getting any wp7 or ios device that takes no effort to "customize", but at the end of the day is like a wife telling you what you can and can't do
That's the way i see it at least...

Gusar321 said:
No it's not. The injunction would take effect sometime in October, but by then Samsung will have their phones updated, so it's moot.
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And the Tab isn't included
I expect an update from Google reasonably quickly which will prevent Apple trying the same trick with other companies.
In other news, Nokia have won against Apple, meaning they'll earn royalties from Apple.

Ultimate Android bile spewing "news"?

I really don't think I have ever reach such total and utter bull**** on the Internet ever. This "writer" is supposedly a professional CNET writer... Unbelievable...
This writer seems to be spewing bile at an uncontrollable rate, it's likely to flood the neighborhood. I'm guessing Apple pay her wages as well as CNET.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-57374842-266/buying-a-tablet-on-a-budget-android-or-ipad/?tag=mncol
" But with a weak supply of apps to choose from and some buggy software, are these iPad knockoffs worth it?"
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"I know you said you don't want to buy an iPad. But you may want to reconsider. And the reason I say that is even though the iPad 2 doesn't meet the same specs as some of these other tablets, it has a much broader set of apps available"
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" I've also found the Android software to be very buggy with the apps that are available"
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"Part of the problem with many Android tablets today is that the majority of them still run an older version of Android software called Honeycomb. This version of Android was specifically developed for tablets, and it's notoriously buggy. "
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And my favorite: Defending how fantastic a locked-in ecosystem is...
"But anything that has iTunes DRM on it, won't transfer to an Android device. Also, all the apps you've bought and downloaded onto your iPod Touch will not transfer to a new Android smartphone. And the iBooks that you've already downloaded for the iPod Touch also won't work on an Android phone. So for these reasons, I'd say you should just buy an iPhone to preserve the investment you've already made in the Apple iOS ecosystem."
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Is this typical of American journalism? If so, then it explains alot about the world's opinion of America.

Oh god, the comment section is gold.
Some guy mentioned the Sony Tablet S
That's Miss Reardon to you sausage smuggler
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How much did Apple pay you for this hatchet job on Android, Ms Reardon?
Android tablets are no more "iPad knockoffs" than Ford vehicles are Mercedes knockoffs. They are different products for different audiences.
Android is for people who want to get things done using a tablet. The alleged "weak supply" of apps hasn't stopped me from finding an apps (usually 20 or 30 of them) to do anything I want to do on my tablet. Perhaps that's because I can spell, know English, and have a certain amount of critical decision-making ability (as witnessed by my ownership of a $27 million company).
Apple products are for people with lots of money, very little intelligence, and a "need" for 500 "different" fart apps
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Derpy answer:
Can you use an android tablet for music production?
Nope!
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I would have recommended you to talk about the 200 Gazillions versions of Android OS (one per manufacture almost) all of them carrying names as ridiculous as the names on the Starbuck menu " Your tablet: with Android OS gran caffe macchiado Ice cream sandwich" or the "Honeycomb 2.2 served Frappe with 2 splenda"?
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wat
Had a Xoom. ya it had flash, sorta. caused more problems and restarts then it was worth. Got tired of the problems, and traded it for a first gen ipad, with half the ram, half the storage and half as many processors. No crashes, surfs faster, and has fewer problems with web-sites, even though it doesn't have flash. Everything about it's UI is smoother, and easier to understand. I guess Android works ok, but not sure that hating Apple is a good enough reason to find Android better.
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Got tired of the problems, and traded it for a first gen ipad, with half the ram, half the storage and half as many processors. No crashes
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half as many processors
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Let the apple fan boy have his "day"

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Let the apple fan boy have his "day"
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No offence m8 but i think your missing the point. Its fine for any 'private individual' to pimp the hell out of anything they like for what ever spurious personal reasons they have.
however ........ Ms Reardon is supposed to be a professional journalist. One of the central tenets of professional journalism (and one of the prime journalistic criticisms of online citizen journalism and blogging) is strict factual, impartiality especially on issues where commercial advantage/disadvantage may be derived from said comments.
At least (despite the phone hacking scandal) thats what journalism generally means in the UK at any rate ......... maybe America has a different concept of impartiality ........ judging from Fox news this is definitely the case.
CNET is a POS but that woman is still a damned disgrace, she's doing a massive disservice to anyone unlucky enough to find her blog whilst looking for impartial advice.
A Twitter campaign could maybe help.

Fox news is not news, just like ipads/iphone and ios are not the end all be all of tablets/ smart phones mobile operating systems. They both benefit from mass publicity and appeal and have carved such a market share that the loyal followers ignore their obvious faults, and consume anything they shell out regardless if it is inferior or untrue
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cnet articles are a piece of ****
obviously apple paid douchebags
i read enough ******ry from them each day

"But anything that has iTunes DRM on it, won't transfer to an Android device. Also, all the apps you've bought and downloaded onto your iPod Touch will not transfer to a new Android smartphone. And the iBooks that you've already downloaded for the iPod Touch also won't work on an Android phone. So for these reasons, I'd say you should just buy an iPhone to preserve the investment you've already made in the Apple iOS ecosystem."
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What about those of us who were smart enough to not invest in a proprietary DRM based format. My Android apps will work on many phones, tablets, and desktops with Bluestacks or an x86 build of Android.
For music I prefer a universal DRM free format like MP3. I also will never put iTunes on my computer. I don't need some big bloated program to sync my music and apps. I can browse and install new apps from the market all through my browser. I can sync music with my android devices by plugging them into the USB port and running a simple batch file I created that uses xcopy to sync folders.
For ebooks I would rather buy in a format that will work on more devices. Even though its DRM, Amazon's Kindle Books seem to be the best option at this point, since you can read them on many more devices.

spunker88 said:
What about those of us who were smart enough to not invest in a proprietary DRM based format. My Android apps will work on many phones, tablets, and desktops with Bluestacks or an x86 build of Android.
For music I prefer a universal DRM free format like MP3. I also will never put iTunes on my computer. I don't need some big bloated program to sync my music and apps. I can browse and install new apps from the market all through my browser. I can sync music with my android devices by plugging them into the USB port and running a simple batch file I created that uses xcopy to sync folders.
For ebooks I would rather buy in a format that will work on more devices. Even though its DRM, Amazon's Kindle Books seem to be the best option at this point, since you can read them on many more devices.
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I almost totally agree with everything you said there. However a couple of points.
1/ EPUB is the industry standard, it's much more widespread and books are usually cheaper than Amazons locked in "itunes-like" ebook store. Google Books and Kobo have 3m EPUB titles, Amazon have 750k
2/ MP3 is great, it's universal, but it's also now very old, rubbish sounding and rubbish compression rates. M4A (AAC) is ISO ratified has almost as good support as MP3 these days, and is much more efficient at compressing, which means you can have either smaller files or better sounding files. I re-ripped my entire music collection to AAC/M4A and havn't looked back, it sounds much better than MP3 and the collection is still 20% smaller in disk space, it's also more suited to streaming.

domnic619 said:
cnet articles are a piece of ****
obviously apple paid douchebags
i read enough ******ry from them each day
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Yeah but you could use an education in the use of non gender and sexual orientation prejudice based language m8.
I'll just assume your young, rather than ......................

But Honeycomb tablets with Tegra2 are not really that great though, I'm happy I didn't have to get a tablet last year, because I don't like Apple and I don't like Tegra2/Honeycomb.
But it looks much better now, a 2012 tablet with ICS and with Tegra 3 or better SOC that can play my actual media files (720p/1080p MKV) is something I'd actually want to buy.
And my other main purpose with a tablet is web browsing, and this is also something that sucks with Honeycomb compared to iPad or my Galaxy S2 which both have butter smooth browsers.
This is also much better with ICS luckily

CNET has its points on the short commings of android but they have given apple a complete pass on the turds they have been droping.
Since the 3g there has not been any true innovations to the device. There were 2 major software updates, one added a poor attempt at multitasking and the other copied notifications from android/windows. Who in their right mind would update from a 4 to a 4s? And why would anyone need an iPad 2 if they own an iPad? The ecosystem is self contained which is ok for some but people are shelling out hundreds every year to buy the same exact device.
I had a 3g and loved it. When the 4 came out I was like what the f is this? Why would I lock in for another 2 years for the same exact phone? On the other side in the same time frame android has gone from froyo to gingerbread, introduced honeycomb and then blended ics together. each being a major change from the last. Yes there has been bugs but that is part of the pain of actually developing new software. Now add all the variations sense, blur, touch wiz. etc and the rapid updates to these and you have unique user experiences. Google gets criticized for creativity, while apple gets rewarded for playing it safe
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I've used both Android and iOS extensively and I can't recommend an Android phone and especially tablet(simply awful) to anyone besides an irrational Apple hater(just to watch them waste hours flashing custom roms in hope of making it not suck so bad). Only carriers and vendors, not users benefit from Android's openness, so at the end of the day it's dimly a buzzword that Google uses to target the nerd market. While iOS I'd far far from perfect it's still much more usable than Android. An average user doesn't give a hoot about rooting,live wallpapers or replacement launchers they just want something that works out of the box. Just because a tiny portion of the market(mostly people who visit this site) doesn't mind having to void the warranty in order to make their phone or tablet somewhat usable doesn't mean that an average consumer will be willing to jump through these hoops.
Furthermore, Android tablets are such trash(being kind here) compared to the iPad that no sane individual will buy them at the same price range. If someone doesn't want an iPad then they should just wait for W8 tablets, but Android should be avoided like plague.

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I've used both Android and iOS extensively and I can't recommend an Android phone and especially tablet(simply awful) to anyone besides an irrational Apple hater(just to watch them waste hours flashing custom roms in hope of making it not suck so bad). Only carriers and vendors, not users benefit from Android's openness, so at the end of the day it's dimly a buzzword that Google uses to target the nerd market. While iOS I'd far far from perfect it's still much more usable than Android. An average user doesn't give a hoot about rooting,live wallpapers or replacement launchers they just want something that works out of the box. Just because a tiny portion of the market(mostly people who visit this site) doesn't mind having to void the warranty in order to make their phone or tablet somewhat usable doesn't mean that an average consumer will be willing to jump through these hoops.
Furthermore, Android tablets are such trash(being kind here) compared to the iPad that no sane individual will buy them at the same price range. If someone doesn't want an iPad then they should just wait for W8 tablets, but Android should be avoided like plague.
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With the greatest respect I have to ask where you get such dumb ideas from as all your posts at xda are so vehemently anti android yet absolutely factually incorrect.
Explain what it is that makes android only barely usable if rooted. My dad and my girlfriend are your average non techy people and both have unrooted android devices that they love and both customised them a lot, and neither have had trouble with their systems so to say its unusable etc with no evidence is rubbish.
So with respect to your post perhaps you could explain why people must hate apple if they use android, why you think android sucks (reasons, not vague rhetoric) and why in a number of threads you keep saying you have to root android to make it usable when its ios that has to have warranty voided to do much with it.
I genuinely wonder sometimes if your not another poster who hates android and posting under a second account. I doubt you are but at least give reasons not vague nonsense please.
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CNET has become Apple's biggest supporter and it's become evident in the past year or so of articles ripping Android but praising Apple.
I used to go to CNET for news, now I only go to read the comments because they're entertaining.

alex2792 said:
I've used both Android and iOS extensively and I can't recommend an Android phone and especially tablet(simply awful) to anyone besides an irrational Apple hater(just to watch them waste hours flashing custom roms in hope of making it not suck so bad). Only carriers and vendors, not users benefit from Android's openness, so at the end of the day it's dimly a buzzword that Google uses to target the nerd market. While iOS I'd far far from perfect it's still much more usable than Android. An average user doesn't give a hoot about rooting,live wallpapers or replacement launchers they just want something that works out of the box. Just because a tiny portion of the market(mostly people who visit this site) doesn't mind having to void the warranty in order to make their phone or tablet somewhat usable doesn't mean that an average consumer will be willing to jump through these hoops.
Furthermore, Android tablets are such trash(being kind here) compared to the iPad that no sane individual will buy them at the same price range. If someone doesn't want an iPad then they should just wait for W8 tablets, but Android should be avoided like plague.
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Rubbish. Have used both extensively as well for years
Your missing the point of roming and tweaking. It is not because you have to, it is because you enjoy to.
I have both iPad and android tablet. I don't use the ipad
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alex2792 said:
I've used both Android and iOS extensively and I can't recommend an Android phone and especially tablet(simply awful) to anyone besides an irrational Apple hater(just to watch them waste hours flashing custom roms in hope of making it not suck so bad). Only carriers and vendors, not users benefit from Android's openness, so at the end of the day it's dimly a buzzword that Google uses to target the nerd market. While iOS I'd far far from perfect it's still much more usable than Android. An average user doesn't give a hoot about rooting,live wallpapers or replacement launchers they just want something that works out of the box. Just because a tiny portion of the market(mostly people who visit this site) doesn't mind having to void the warranty in order to make their phone or tablet somewhat usable doesn't mean that an average consumer will be willing to jump through these hoops.
Furthermore, Android tablets are such trash(being kind here) compared to the iPad that no sane individual will buy them at the same price range. If someone doesn't want an iPad then they should just wait for W8 tablets, but Android should be avoided like plague.
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Obvious troll is obvious. The end user benefits from Android's openness by being able to build and distribute custom ROMs without copyright infringement. Many of us thoroughly enjoy flashing ROMs, rooting, etc. We aren't doing it only to make the device usable.

The Transformer Prime is my first Android device... it crashes a half dozen times a day. I think it is a nice piece of kit, with buggy software. Im not trading it for an IPad, but Im not satisfied as I feel I should be after dropping 650 for this thing. IDK who you blame, running ICS, latest patches hasn't fixed the random reboots, wacko video artifacts after using it a few minutes, slow browsing, buggy touchscreen keyboards, apps that freeze doing the most basic operations... is it the apps, the hardware, or android?!?! I let my kid play some random apps and I get an email that I just spent $20 for some BS in game credits that don't even require a password to steal money from your account!!!! The developer doesnt respond and there's no recourse through the android marketplace...
THE WHOLE MESS IS HALF BAKED. Instead of blaming cnet for telling the truth how about you fix the problems!?!?!
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PS He's also right about the quality of the apps. I find much higher quality audio and video editing apps on my IPhone, where there seems to be nothing comparable for Android... maybe someone can point me to an App that will let me splice, add transitions, voice overs, audio, titles etc for videos I create like I can using Reel Director on IOS... show me some decent tracking, midi over wifi, synths for Android.... if they exist, prey tell.

Watching Peter pan (for free, love ice stream) with my kids on my tv using my unusable semi functioning crap android tablet. Last week I watched the UFC pay per view using this thing the call flash.
For video editing try google video editor. Have not used it much as it is made for 10" tabs and mine is 7" so it is not scaled correctly. Appears to have some of the features you want
Honeycomb version but may work on ics
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DigitalSkyline said:
The Transformer Prime is my first Android device... it crashes a half dozen times a day. I think it is a nice piece of kit, with buggy software. Im not trading it for an IPad, but Im not satisfied as I feel I should be after dropping 650 for this thing. IDK who you blame, running ICS, latest patches hasn't fixed the random reboots, wacko video artifacts after using it a few minutes, slow browsing, buggy touchscreen keyboards, apps that freeze doing the most basic operations... is it the apps, the hardware, or android?!?! I let my kid play some random apps and I get an email that I just spent $20 for some BS in game credits that don't even require a password to steal money from your account!!!! The developer doesnt respond and there's no recourse through the android marketplace...
THE WHOLE MESS IS HALF BAKED. Instead of blaming cnet for telling the truth how about you fix the problems!?!?!
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PS He's also right about the quality of the apps. I find much higher quality audio and video editing apps on my IPhone, where there seems to be nothing comparable for Android... maybe someone can point me to an App that will let me splice, add transitions, voice overs, audio, titles etc for videos I create like I can using Reel Director on IOS... show me some decent tracking, midi over wifi, synths for Android.... if they exist, prey tell.
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Welcome to the land of Android, prepare for a bumpy ride. I've had similar experiences with both Xoom(possibly the worst piece of consumer electronics I ever used) and Galaxy Tab(plastic iPad knockoff with the same crappy software). Browsing on both tablets was terrible, the browser froze, and oftentimes just randomly closed with no way of recovering open tabs. They were both useless as far as media playback since apparently Tegra 2 doesn't support high profile HD video, which makes me question the sanity of the idiot Google engineer who decided to make it the reference platform for HC. At the end of the day I've come to realize that even though it doesn't have all of the "features" of Android tablets the iPad is so far superior to the Google sanctioned junk that it's not even a fair comparison.

mcord11758 said:
Watching Peter pan (for free, love ice stream) with my kids on my tv using my unusable semi functioning crap android tablet. Last week I watched the UFC pay per view using this thing the call flash.
For video editing try google video editor. Have not used it much as it is made for 10" tabs and mine is 7" so it is not scaled correctly. Appears to have some of the features you want
Honeycomb version but may work on ics
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Yeah I've tried Google Video Editor... its crap... couldn't import videos or photos to edit, so I didn't even get past the first hurdle. Maybe they'll get it past the beta stage someday, but for now its not very good.

Return my Infinity for a Nexus now and Surface later?

I got my Infinity about two weeks ago. It's pretty cool. I already picked up the 201 keyboard and carry my purple tablet everywhere. I'm generally happy with it, but find ultimately I use it less than I would have thought. Maybe I just don't know how to use it.
I want a tablet so as I automate my house I can connect and control.
I fly a ton and want something that I can watch movies on the plane.
With my MiFi and hotel internet I like not checking email and searching the web without using my company laptop.
General and casual net surfing.
So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version. Even when I try to override this, the lack of a normal operating system seems to make websites work funny. My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out. And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie. They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works. The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
So point out the flaws in my understanding.

one thing to note, tablets are not laptops.
I noticed this though. I had the Transformer Prime and no laptop before. I would use the prime for everything!!! Now i bought a laptop and i use the tablet half the time now. And the only thing i do on the computer is download music and use the web. Im actually on my computer now. And the docking station, i never use it anymore. Its sort of strange to find the purpose for the devices. Checking email and quick web browsing/facebook is really fast on the tablet. That and media, but for the laptop i think i just like the bigger keyboard...

If you only intend to use your tablet as a media consumption device then I highly recommend a different product. I love my Infinity and previously my TF101 as it is my laptop replacement. But if not for the productivity side of things, I would have gotten a smaller Samsung or now the Nexus 7. I would avoid the Amazon Kindle Fire as it is just a poor attempt to restrict Android (pre-root of course).

Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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You will be just down grading yourself down to a smaller vechicle. But hey whatever floats your boat.
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I'd avoid the surface for now. Its rather bipolar at the moment, its clear that the desktop and metro environments were not made to play nice with each other. Metro also hasnt proven itself yet, it'll get some app support initially due to ties with Windows but in the long run its not clear at all that it'll do well. In fact, given the reputation of WP7, I'd be shocked if it did anything but completely flop.

mattlikesbikes said:
I got my Infinity about two weeks ago. It's pretty cool. I already picked up the 201 keyboard and carry my purple tablet everywhere. I'm generally happy with it, but find ultimately I use it less than I would have thought. Maybe I just don't know how to use it.
I want a tablet so as I automate my house I can connect and control.
I fly a ton and want something that I can watch movies on the plane.
With my MiFi and hotel internet I like not checking email and searching the web without using my company laptop.
General and casual net surfing.
So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version. Even when I try to override this, the lack of a normal operating system seems to make websites work funny. My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out. And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie. They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works. The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
So point out the flaws in my understanding.
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There are no flaws in your understanding, you only have a different perception and set of expectations, and that's fine. I'll just give you my point of view.
1) You really shouldn't be using the stock browser. Get another one that properly supports setting the user agent and the web surfing should be fine. I only have desktop sites on my TF700 and it rocks. Just to mention it here:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
3) I watch all kinds of video content (documentaries, military footage, movies (HD or lower resolution), etc.) and it works fantastically. I use Dice for the hardware-base decoding capability, but lots of people are endeared by BS Player as well.
4) I'm actually going to boycott Windows 8 for several tech and personal reasons, so I will refrain from commenting on your hopes for Windows RT (which is the crapped down version of crap anyway). But as I said, there is absolutely no need to render my opinion any worth -- I just wanted to mention that here. Sorry.
5) If you wanted a laptop experience, why not buy a laptop? It's not meant derogatory, but laptops do best what laptops need to do. Their niche is different enough from the tablet's (with or without a dock, charging or not) that each has their own merits and probably will not compete the other out of existence for some time to come. You'd miss out on two things: screen resolution and battery life, but since you actually consider the Nexus 7 a viable replacement (which, again, strictly specific to my usage scenario, it is not), a laptop would serve you fine.
Bottom line: I think I'd return the TF700 and get a laptop if I were you. But then I'm not.
Wisdom, my friend. Good luck weighing your options.
Marty
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Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
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Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. <sarcasm >You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. </sarcasm> Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
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With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )

MartyHulskemper said:
There are no flaws in your understanding, you only have a different perception and set of expectations, and that's fine. I'll just give you my point of view.
1) You really shouldn't be using the stock browser. Get another one that properly supports setting the user agent and the web surfing should be fine. I only have desktop sites on my TF700 and it rocks. Just to mention it here:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
3) I watch all kinds of video content (documentaries, military footage, movies (HD or lower resolution), etc.) and it works fantastically. I use Dice for the hardware-base decoding capability, but lots of people are endeared by BS Player as well.
4) I'm actually going to boycott Windows 8 for several tech and personal reasons, so I will refrain from commenting on your hopes for Windows RT (which is the crapped down version of crap anyway). But as I said, there is absolutely no need to render my opinion any worth -- I just wanted to mention that here. Sorry.
5) If you wanted a laptop experience, why not buy a laptop? It's not meant derogatory, but laptops do best what laptops need to do. Their niche is different enough from the tablet's (with or without a dock, charging or not) that each has their own merits and probably will not compete the other out of existence for some time to come. You'd miss out on two things: screen resolution and battery life, but since you actually consider the Nexus 7 a viable replacement (which, again, strictly specific to my usage scenario, it is not), a laptop would serve you fine.
Bottom line: I think I'd return the TF700 and get a laptop if I were you. But then I'm not.
Wisdom, my friend. Good luck weighing your options.
Marty
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Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. <sarcasm >You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. </sarcasm> Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )
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What do you find to be better in DICE than you do in BS?

dlokey22 said:
Have you tried other 3rd party browsers? I heard dolphinHD is really good on the infinity.
Yeah, the nexus is definitely easier to hold, especially with one hand like an ereader. The down side to the nexus is that there's not a whole lot of storage space for movies or other multimedia files. The 16gb version will only have enough space for you to store 2-3 hd movies.
As for quality apps, apple is still way ahead in this department. They have a lot more optimized tablet apps. Hopefully android can catch up in the future.
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MartyHulskemper said:
2) STAY AWAY from Dolphin! I can't stress this enough -- it is a PRIVACY BLACK HOLE. Everything you do, and I mean everything is logged and sent to Dolphin's developer, and believe me, that is far more than they need to 'optimize your user experience' or 'debug Dolphin'.
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Personally, I've used Dolphin for some time and never had any issues with my "privacy".... That is usually blown way out of proportion. Do you really think that the Dolphin devs are stealing and *using* your info?? C'mon, give me a break - if that were true, people would be suing them left and right.
If you don't like Dolphin then don't use it, but let others decide for themselves!
You don't think Google tracks everything you do too?
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MartyHulskemper said:
Nothing personal, I must say, but PLEASE, for the love of all friendly kittens and other fluffy animals, STOP RECOMMENDING DOLPHIN. And stop using it yourself. You might give me your bank account instead, as I will put it to good use for other people too. Refer to #2 above and several XDA threads on the matter while you're at it.
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I was under the impression this has been resolved. Eh whatever... I'm not worried. Like what the other poster said, Google is probably a bigger data mining culprit than dolphin is.
With the right compression, I am watching FullHD movies (Blu-Ray sourced) at ~2 to 3 GB. I only watch one at a time, so I can transfer a new one when I finished an old one. With some elbow grease, this is a solvable inconvenience.
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That's fine if you haven't encoded your movies already. All my blurays have been encoded using high bit rates for my htpc. Most of my 720ps are 4-6gb. I'm not going to re encoded them all. Any way you look at it, storage is an issue if you plan to use nexus 7 as a multimedia device.
I've heard this argument before, but 1) there are no trial versions. When you buy a crappy app it is just matter of swallowing the pain and try another potentially crappy app (since there are lots of ****ty apps for iOS). I have no further needs that Android hasn't been fully fulfilling, so I can't share this judgment. (Disclaimer: I have only limited experience with iOS myself, but (unfortunately?) a high percentage of my geekier friends are total crApples and I hear things every now and then. That is, pretty regularly. )
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I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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Also, enjoy them fart apps, for they are large and they are numerous.

So the problem I have with my Infinity is half the stuff I want to do on the internet gets pushed out as the mobile version.
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Use Chrome. Select request desktop version under settings if it pushes you into mobile site. It's not automated (though I expect it will be with the next few versions of chrome as this is a nexus 7 issue).
My wife has an iPad 2 and it seems like the apps are more functional and better thought out.
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Yes, but with the google nexus 7 coming out and doing well, the android market will catch up and android is just better from an iOS perspective (can do flash, can run ad blockers more easily, can drag and drop content, can decode almost any media file, etc.).
And trying to read on it is tough, the big format is harder to hold and the screen is not as nice as my old e-ink reader.
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So use an e-ink reader to read. LCD's can't match e-ink contrast ratios. And SAMOLED Screens have their problems in that Samsung is making Pentile Screens their mass market screen because of durability issues.
So I was thinking a Nexus would be easier to carry around, and really is big enough for an airplane movie.
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And you would be able to carry around like 3 movies if you got the 8gb version.
They are going to sell more of them, so I am sure I can actually get a case that works.
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Ok, lol? I use a TF201 case and it works fine. This thing just came out ...
The smaller memory is a problem, but I have an ipod for music and would just delete movies later (wait, can I burn my own DVD's to the nexus?).
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The nexus has 8/16gb. If you want to constantly delete and refill all of it over usb 2.0, be my guess.
When the Surface comes out in two months the Windows RT version should be more internet friendly. I'll still have a keyboard option. the screen might not be as good, but the device itself would be more like a laptop experience.
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Surface is a joke as is windows 8. No i5/i7 chip can match tegra/qualcomm chips in battery life and thermal properties. Yes, it'll be way faster, but the battery life will be terrible and the devices will be bulky.
If you want a laptop get a laptop. I use mine for more intensive purposes/gaming. However, even a laptop is too big for a lot of the things I use my infinity for (taking notes, reading, watching movies in bed).
So point out the flaws in my understanding.
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Windows 8 is pure hype. Core PC Users hate it for offering no new features to them as long-time users. Tablet users are still mostly ipad users that won't put up with the hoops Microsoft makes you jump or the terrible app store. There is a market for windows tablets and I think 99% of it is graphics professionals that need touch in order to interact with their objects. I would rather have a dedicated laptop that gets the job done and a dedicated tablet that is light with good battery life than use a Windows Tablet.

There's something different and more personal to me about consuming The Internets on a tablet, and that's why I love them and spend time on XDA. I don't see the dock on Transformers as a conversion to a laptop, it just makes the occasional heavy text input convenient. The dock is an extended battery in my eyes. So I agree with the above that it's about your expectations or need.
I also agree the Surface might be a total non-starter. On one hand, if it's just a Windows tablet, it will be overpriced and hindered compared to a real laptop. If its the gimped Windows version why should the app experience be any better than Android? It's not any good on Windows phone.
Apples AppStore is inarguably better than any other if you've actually used their device, but there's plenty of good reasons to prefer Android. Google, freedom (usually..see locked bootloader) and for me, incredible integration and sharing between apps. Plus your Infinity has one of the best mobile screens yet created. If you're mainly browsing, watching video and messaging it's hard to argue a laptop is more useful.
That said, damn the Nexus is good. Asus needs to release Jelly Bean immediately.

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What do you find to be better in DICE than you do in BS?
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I do not have a definitive answer on this, since the latest version of BS Player just crashes on me continuously, and I didn't lke the interface somehow. I like vPlayer's interface best, but that doesn't do hardware decoding.
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Personally, I've used Dolphin for some time and never had any issues with my "privacy".... That is usually blown way out of proportion. Do you really think that the Dolphin devs are stealing and *using* your info?? C'mon, give me a break - if that were true, people would be suing them left and right.
If you don't like Dolphin then don't use it, but let others decide for themselves!
You don't think Google tracks everything you do too?
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I am not using it, and I am letting you decide yourselves. I'm not the one deciding which apps to install on your device(s), am I? I do think, however, that that decision should be a rational and informed one. You do not believe it would be best to point out issues that have arisen in this regard? Just because you do not mind your privacy being invaded -- there has been no decisive evidence that this has been resolved -- should not mean I should refrain from calling Dolphin the privacy-steal king to alert other people -- who might or might not care -- to their practices. An old fox is merely a bit balder, not necessarily better, than before.
And as far as Google's data mining is concerned: obviously, that's their main goal, even -- but at least it is relatively clear from their EULAs while Dolphin kept its users in the dark on purpose. In many civilized countries you can be locked up for that type of fraud.
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I was under the impression this has been resolved. Eh whatever... I'm not worried. Like what the other poster said, Google is probably a bigger data mining culprit than dolphin is.
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See post above -- at least they are more or less upfront.
That's fine if you haven't encoded your movies already. All my blurays have been encoded using high bit rates for my htpc. Most of my 720ps are 4-6gb. I'm not going to re encoded them all. Any way you look at it, storage is an issue if you plan to use nexus 7 as a multimedia device.
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I can't really imagine this being a large issue, for even in that cas, you still cannot watch more than one movie at the same time. And again, it's just about compromises, as you can't have your cake and eat it too. In the relevant case, either drop the TF700 and go for a N7 and be merry (correct me if I'm wrong, but you will lose the HD screen anyway, so the encoding quality matters less as well) and shift around your files more often, or keep the TF700 and get a great screen and expandable memory, and a charging dock, etc.
I wasn't trying to make an argument. It is just the truth. The ipad has a lot more optimized apps. Android has a ways to go to catch up. You can always do research before buying an app. That is what the Internet is for
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"It's just the truth." Sounds like a religious statement to me. : |
Anyway, the internet is a surefire way to get the worst apps because a lot of these amateur review blogs give even the worst crap decent 'scores'. And as jdeoxys said, iOS sports a boatload of fart apps -- I guess we sure need to catch up. To make the discussion a bit more relevant: do we miss a significant number of functions on Android that iOS does provide? I think that is a much more meaningful comparison than the raw number of crapplets posted in the markets.
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MartyHulskemper said:
And as far as Google's data mining is concerned: obviously, that's their main goal, even -- but at least it is relatively clear from their EULAs while Dolphin kept its users in the dark on purpose. In many civilized countries you can be locked up for that type of fraud.
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Oh, so it's ok to steal your data as long as they tell you they are doing it?!?! Hey, to each their own, I guess!
To everyone else, Dolphin is a great browser that I used for years without any issues whatsoever with my "privacy". Don't let this scare you away.
Although, I've personally switched over to Boat Browser now - I like it even more than Dolphin now!
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jtrosky said:
Oh, so it's ok to steal your data as long as they tell you they are doing it?!?! Hey, to each their own, I guess!
To everyone else, Dolphin is a great browser that I used for years without any issues whatsoever with my "privacy". Don't let this scare you away.
Although, I've personally switched over to Boat Browser now - I like it even more than Dolphin now!
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Yes I would say it's okay because in that case it's not stealing anymore. If the people don't read the EULA's it's not the companies fault the information was available.
That's why everyone went mad at apple and their tracking issue.
Google has been doing that for ages but it left you a) the choice and b) it informed you straight from the beginning.
It's all about asking.
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I can't really imagine this being a large issue, for even in that cas, you still cannot watch more than one movie at the same time. And again, it's just about compromises, as you can't have your cake and eat it too. In the relevant case, either drop the TF700 and go for a N7 and be merry (correct me if I'm wrong, but you will lose the HD screen anyway, so the encoding quality matters less as well) and shift around your files more often, or keep the TF700 and get a great screen and expandable memory, and a charging dock, etc.
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I don't know about a "large" issue, but it is an issue if you plan on using it as a multimedia device. 16gb is not a lot storage these days. When you factor in the OS, music, pics, videos, games, it gets filled up pretty quickly. Sure I can transfer movies in one at a time, but its a big pain in a$$ and I'll have to bring along some sort of external storage.
The N7's resolution supports 720p. The bitrate doesn't have anything to with HD.
I agree with you it is a compromise. In my first post of this thread I was pointing to the OP that the lack of storage is a down side (compromise) to the N7. I'm not saying he shouldn't get the N7. I was just pointing out what he will be missing.
"It's just the truth." Sounds like a religious statement to me. : |
Anyway, the internet is a surefire way to get the worst apps because a lot of these amateur review blogs give even the worst crap decent 'scores'. And as jdeoxys said, iOS sports a boatload of fart apps -- I guess we sure need to catch up. To make the discussion a bit more relevant: do we miss a significant number of functions on Android that iOS does provide? I think that is a much more meaningful comparison than the raw number of crapplets posted in the markets.
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uh....android host just as many fart apps on the play store. Type fart in the play store search and you'll get 20 pages of apps for farts. This isn't only an apple thing. We're talking about tablet optimized apps here, not just any app. For example, facebook and twitter have their official tablet versions on ipad, but not on android? There are many more examples. The total number of good quality functional tablet apps still greatly out number android at the moment.
btw I'm pro android here. I don't own one single apple device - no macbook, iphone, ipad or even ipod. I'm just pointing out that android is behind in the tablet space, but hopefully they will catch up now with the popularity of N7.

I'm sad that I can't truly multitask on my infinity

I own a business and I'm my own secretary, so you could say I work 2 full time jobs. I have not touched my laptop for 2 years. Been using the various transformers as my daily driver. Currently, my infinity is being used daily for work. I have a laser printer mounted inside my car for me to print documents and invoices from my infinity. I do everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, on my infinity. Make my living with it. Run my entire business and keep all records on my infinity. And I keep a daily backup with dropbox.
It would be great if someone somewhere could develop cornerstone-like split screen ability for my infinity. Would make my life way way way better.
I'm kinda sad that it seems like no one has picked up cornerstone and tried to make it better. Lots of roms in development, and they kinda all look the same. I'm sorry if I have offended you, but that's what it looks like to me.
I know that the devs are using their own time to do what they love. And I thank them for it. What about google? How come they haven't picked up cornerstone or something like it so that their OS could be even more productive?
Like I said, I run a business with my infinity. Why won't google develop android to a point where it's more than just a toy for most people?

While this may not be what you want, you can always remote into a desktop somewhere, or even install ubuntu on the tablet itself.
Alternatively, there are many "floating" apps that allow you to run things in windows.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5teWJveWZyaWVuZGlzYWdlZWsuYWlyYnJvd3NlciJd

Hi i've tried to open a thread about that here but I haven't got a response as I wish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961027
I hope that someone could help us, lol
By the way, I couldn't download Overskreen web browser on playstore: it said "my device is not compatible" Thanks if smeone knows why
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goodintentions said:
It would be great if someone somewhere could develop cornerstone-like split screen ability for my infinity.
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Yes, I'd also like to see that. At least something like Windows 8 has.
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I'm kinda sad that it seems like no one has picked up cornerstone and tried to make it better. Lots of roms in development, and they kinda all look the same. I'm sorry if I have offended you, but that's what it looks like to me.
I know that the devs are using their own time to do what they love. And I thank them for it. What about google? How come they haven't picked up cornerstone or something like it so that their OS could be even more productive?
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CyanogenMod once planned to integrate Cornerstone, but Google threatened them to lock them out of the app store, because apparently they had concerns about app incompatibilities.

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Hi i've tried to open a thread about that here but I haven't got a response as I wish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961027
I hope that someone could help us, lol
By the way, I couldn't download Overskreen web browser on playstore: it said "my device is not compatible" Thanks if smeone knows why
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I couldn't care less for floating browsers. Again, unlike most other people, I don't treat my infinity as just a toy. I earn a living with my baby (my infinity). All my documents, records, invoices, etc. are kept in this thing.
How many people you know make a living armed with just a tablet-laptop hybrid? I'm not surprised the first response is to tell me to use a floating browser. People have trouble understanding how the infinity could be productive at all. They think I use my infinity to browse the web all day. And money grows on trees.

I believe the answer to your problem should be the ASUS Transformer Book, the upcoming hybrid from ASUS. Much as I love Android, Windows is the solution for all business needs.

Samsung and Google are in the loop on this Multi-View ability because right now SAMSUNG has rolled out Multi-View for the Galaxy Note 2 and now the Galaxy S III.
If SAMSUNG has worked on this Multi-View and Google's approved it, hopefully Google would be wise to get that feature available to every new Android device.

I am right there with you! I replace old laptops with these!
We give these out as laptop replacements for sales and marketing staff. They currently use the tf700 as a thin client replacement when at their desk- connected to a 24” hdmi monitor, usb hub with Ethernet, kb/mouse connected also. Many of them connect to a full desktop TS connection, but others are running a remote-app connection that allows the use of any company application without a full desktop having to be presented. This allows them to do most of their work on their android desktop and only launch those applications (like MS Office apps) that they have to. Their other choice would have been a thin client but obviously this is miles better!
I have always had an interest in cornerstone and really with that CM would have done it anyways. You can still use the tf700, just with limited ability to truly multitask. It may not make sense on all devices, but with the tf700, it would be a great device to setup a customizable app resizer to allow several apps to be open next to each other.

Same here.. I was excited when I did see Cornerstone for the first time. However was saddened to see how old it was and that none taken a stab at it for ours or someone else.
I would pay for such app or even a dev team to really implant this ability.

There was an alpha version of Cornerstone implemented on the Prime, but it certainly wasn't a daily driver...
To the OP - it may help if you provide a bit more info on what sort of apps you want multi task with. I use a browser quite a lot for work, but apparently you don't...
I also do a bit of coding in my spare time, and I've found apps like AirTerm (floating terminal), and ClipIt (universal clipboard) to be pretty helpful, appreciably when used with a floating keyboard and notepad...

huy_lonewolf said:
I believe the answer to your problem should be the ASUS Transformer Book, the upcoming hybrid from ASUS. Much as I love Android, Windows is the solution for all business needs.
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I know. I intend to buy the 14 inch i7 as soon as its available.

goodintentions said:
I couldn't care less for floating browsers. Again, unlike most other people, I don't treat my infinity as just a toy. I earn a living with my baby (my infinity). All my documents, records, invoices, etc. are kept in this thing.
How many people you know make a living armed with just a tablet-laptop hybrid? I'm not surprised the first response is to tell me to use a floating browser. People have trouble understanding how the infinity could be productive at all. They think I use my infinity to browse the web all day. And money grows on trees.
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I kept on trying to use the TeamEos version of Cornerstone on my Xoom. It's a good idea, but a PITA to implement and use. The only windows that would work without fcing were browser and gmail. You could run one more app in the central window but it would fc sooner or later. Eos didn't officially support it and didn't port it to JB. It's a great idea, like i said, but a real work in process.

Was looking at the Galaxy Note 10.1 Premium Suite upgrade video the other day.
The multitasking was pretty impressive to me.
That's what Google should do. And make use of that virtual buttons black bar in multitasking as right now it is a damn waste of space.

You guys realize that even Google'rs have full-fledged company-issued Windows laptops and that while Google Docs is the "official" product used internally most have MS Office too for working with the outside world. And MS products (as well as others) are also used in the back office to comply with privacy and security requirements as well as data retention regulations. Using any Android tablet (or even Chrome Book) for mission critical work or when you have to share files externally isn't very practical. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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You guys realize that even Google'rs have full-fledged company-issued Windows laptops and that while Google Docs is the "official" product used internally most have MS Office too for working with the outside world. And MS products (as well as others) are also used in the back office to comply with privacy and security requirements as well as data retention regulations. Using any Android tablet (or even Chrome Book) for mission critical work or when you have to share files externally isn't very practical. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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I know. For a while, I was going back and forth between my windows 7 laptop and the original transformer. After months of this, I slowly but eventually stopped using my laptop completely and just carried around my transformer. Yes, there are limitations. I am fully aware of all of them. I carefully weighed out the advantages and disadvantages between a laptop and the transformer and eventually decided that the advantages of the tablet-laptop hybrid outweighed the advantages of the laptop.
This is why I have already put the money aside for the i7 14" transformer book. As soon as it becomes available, I will be among the first to get it.
To me, it's more than just something for the occasional work and game. It's my livelihood. Google seems to have trouble understanding that some of us just don't care much for the games that are available on android. We want true productivity, damn it!
In other news, quasars in iOS is kicking our asses.

jordanmw said:
I am right there with you! I replace old laptops with these!
We give these out as laptop replacements for sales and marketing staff. They currently use the tf700 as a thin client replacement when at their desk- connected to a 24” hdmi monitor, usb hub with Ethernet, kb/mouse connected also. Many of them connect to a full desktop TS connection, but others are running a remote-app connection that allows the use of any company application without a full desktop having to be presented. This allows them to do most of their work on their android desktop and only launch those applications (like MS Office apps) that they have to. Their other choice would have been a thin client but obviously this is miles better!
I have always had an interest in cornerstone and really with that CM would have done it anyways. You can still use the tf700, just with limited ability to truly multitask. It may not make sense on all devices, but with the tf700, it would be a great device to setup a customizable app resizer to allow several apps to be open next to each other.
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Just curious, which Android RDP client do you use for RemoteApp connections?
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I know. For a while, I was going back and forth between my windows 7 laptop and the original transformer. After months of this, I slowly but eventually stopped using my laptop completely and just carried around my transformer. Yes, there are limitations. I am fully aware of all of them. I carefully weighed out the advantages and disadvantages between a laptop and the transformer and eventually decided that the advantages of the tablet-laptop hybrid outweighed the advantages of the laptop.
This is why I have already put the money aside for the i7 14" transformer book. As soon as it becomes available, I will be among the first to get it.
To me, it's more than just something for the occasional work and game. It's my livelihood. Google seems to have trouble understanding that some of us just don't care much for the games that are available on android. We want true productivity, damn it!
In other news, quasars in iOS is kicking our asses.
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet. As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
Are there any specific Android apps you would like to see that support being in their own window?

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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet. As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
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That's what xda is for. Using things the way they were intended.

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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet.
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And people were never meant to fly thousands of feet in the air at incredible speeds, and yet millions of people do it every day.
As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
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I've already tried all of that. Too laggy for it to be of any use.
Are there any specific Android apps you would like to see that support being in their own window?
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Again, I'm not looking for specific floating apps. I'm a technophile. I've tried them all. What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
Don't get me wrong. For now, I've figured out how to get around all the limitations of android on the infinity. That's how I'm able to run my business with it.
I'm just disappointed and sadden that most people still see the tablet as just a toy and therefore keep developing it to act like a toy. Google's entire presentation of jellybean composed entirely of how great it is for gamming.

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What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
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It's called a netbook.

goodintentions said:
And people were never meant to fly thousands of feet in the air at incredible speeds, and yet millions of people do it every day.
I've already tried all of that. Too laggy for it to be of any use.
Again, I'm not looking for specific floating apps. I'm a technophile. I've tried them all. What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
Don't get me wrong. For now, I've figured out how to get around all the limitations of android on the infinity. That's how I'm able to run my business with it.
I'm just disappointed and sadden that most people still see the tablet as just a toy and therefore keep developing it to act like a toy. Google's entire presentation of jellybean composed entirely of how great it is for gamming.
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I agree using the tf700 for many work-related activities would make life simpler but I am always going back to windows if I need to write something and I can't even imagine trying to create a power point on this. I prefer reading on it but generally use it for entertainment. What kind of work arounds have you done to get this functional?
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It's called a netbook.
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And that's called sarcasm? I think his point is to move away from windows or to find a viable alternative.