Microsoft is taunting us... - Android General

http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/op...linux-booting-on-arm-based-hardware/index.htm
http://gizmodo.com/5876384/arm-devices-running-windows-8-will-have-boot-options-locked-down
If you're hankering after a Windows 8 tablet but thought you might also run Android, think again: Microsoft is planning to lock down the boot options on all ARM devices running its new OS.
Will they never learn?

and i was reading that an app has been developed to give Ipads access to windows 7 through a virtual storage (cloud) so that windows 7 can be used with all its potential on Ipads, whenever, anywhere and everywhere...
Those rich custards are being treated as if they deserve it.
Btw i read that ages ago (months?) about the windows 8 thing...

Nikropht said:
http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/op...linux-booting-on-arm-based-hardware/index.htm
http://gizmodo.com/5876384/arm-devices-running-windows-8-will-have-boot-options-locked-down
If you're hankering after a Windows 8 tablet but thought you might also run Android, think again: Microsoft is planning to lock down the boot options on all ARM devices running its new OS.
Will they never learn?
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It was hacked months ago....
http://news.techeye.net/software/windows-8-already-hacked
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mistermentality said:
It was hacked months ago....
http://news.techeye.net/software/windows-8-already-hacked
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"Kleissner told Ars Technica that the exploit did not currently target the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), but instead went after legacy BIOS."
These ARM devices will not have a legacy BIOS (the bios as such is an x86 thing), so this hack won't work on them.
This is Microsoft abusing their Windows monopoly, plain and simple. Offering discount licensing for Win8 only to companies who give in to their demands. Instead of playing with browser choosers, *this* is the kind of stuff the EU should be fighting against.

Gusar321 said:
"Kleissner told Ars Technica that the exploit did not currently target the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI), but instead went after legacy BIOS."
These ARM devices will not have a legacy BIOS (the bios as such is an x86 thing), so this hack won't work on them.
This is Microsoft abusing their Windows monopoly, plain and simple. Offering discount licensing for Win8 only to companies who give in to their demands. Instead of playing with browser choosers, *this* is the kind of stuff the EU should be fighting against.
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Ah, I stand corrected then.
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You can't blame them for locking it down. They know that people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth really!

DirkGently said:
You can't blame them for locking it down. They know that people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth really!
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Who gives a ****. They got there money now let people do what they want with what THEY BOUGHT.
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xsteven77x said:
Who gives a ****. They got there money now let people do what they want with what THEY BOUGHT.
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agreed. if you pay for it. you should be able to do whatever u want to it
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DirkGently said:
people will buy the devices for the hardware and then install their favourite OS
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Probably not the cost-conscious ones. Don't forget, any tablet with Win8 is going to be sold with the MS tax included. An android device with the same hardware is always going to be cheaper.
I highly doubt manufacturers will stop making high-end android devices any time soon, so you'll always have the option of getting the latest hardware (for less!) by buying an android-native tablet.

I highly doubt manufacturers will stop making high-end android devices any time soon, so you'll always have the option of getting the latest hardware (for less!) by buying an android-native tablet.[/QUOTE]
I dont doubt that eather. There will still be open, highend Tablets. But still i realy dont think its ok from MS to force manufactors to use there secure boot, and lock them from alternative OSes. Thats the way there heading. Not only on Tablets. The whole Windows System is geting more closed. That they want to force users of ARM Tablets to use there Appstore is only one nasty thing. But they tried the closed system before with chips that check all the software on the system, and keep away all not certifyed software. They dident manage to do that in Windows 7, and maybe they still cant do it totaly on Windows 8, but im afraid with Windows 9 they will. I know that is still far away but its coming. And its realy nasty.
You can already see and feel the results of that from time to time. On my old, 32bit Notbook i had a security software to encrypt data and mount it as a external HD when you want to use it. On my new(64bit) Laptop i couldent use it anymore, just couse it was an open source project and they dident had the money to buy the driver certificat from Microsoft. By now i use TrueCrypt. Another Project that had the money to pay for it. Thats a good peace of software to but i realy dont like what MS is doing to Windows. I like XP and i love 7, but i hate were Windows is going!

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Ubuntu to make mobile os version. Phone/tablet

Didn't see this anywhere, if it is sorry. This would be awesome though. I love android but ububtu if done correctly would be awesome.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/ubuntu-linux-heads-to-smartphones-tablets-and-smart-tvs/9834
(let's hope a couple of trolls don't jack this thread with "let's hope they don't steal from apple like android" or some other android hater rants.)
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I'm interested in this too!
That could be interesting. I'm a long time Ubuntu user but I recently stopped using it due to Gnome 3 / Unity- really not my cup of tea. I remember thinking at the time that it was better suited to smaller screens/tablets, so maybe that was the plan all along
Don't know how close android is to linux, think it uses a linux kernel, but it would be awesome if it could use android apps like I think blackberry's playback.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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Of course.
I am already trying to get Ubuntu (console version) running on my already existing mobile phones.
For phones they would need to create a suitable gui and phone apps of course (phone book, dialer, etc.). Could be nice.
Don't see Ubuntu on my smartphone but it'll be awesome to install it on tablet.
This looks awesome! I can't wait to see the final product.
Looks nice, a good mobile Linux build not made by Nokia... Epic. I know many who want a real Linux phone.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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i hate ubuntu 11.10.
and ubuntu would be cool on a phone. they would have to cut a deal with a phone company in order to do it, however. and HTC, samsung, LG... etc... they are already running a linux OS with android. it will be a long time before it is mainstream, and it would not have google supporting it (which would obviously have pros and cons) but i would stick with android simply because it is what i am used to at this point. ubuntu is more of a developer platform and it would basically just be bare bones on a phone. no market, hardly any apps, etc... it wouldn't give me the same experience i would want on a phone.
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I've kinda lost faith in them since the 11.10 update. But maybe they will redeem themselves.
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You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
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I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
neuTrue said:
You can change unity (the Ugly UI) with other things. XFCE & KDE are booth good choices.
Back to topic:
I hope ubuntu can take the lead of Meego and bring something good for real. Having a real linux with X11 is so practical. At lest for me.
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Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
Me too that is what open source is about anyway.
Kailkti said:
Oh no i am fine with the ui. Well not so much for it to be the reason I am disappointed. I am disappointed because the update brought many bugs and the system got slower, Atleast for me. It's just not efficient or functional as it should have been.
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I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
neuTrue said:
I suggest you go with Archlinux or Gentoo (if you got more time) and no more you need to wait for upgrading your distro. Simple update and you are done.
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Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
Kailkti said:
Thanks for the answer. But I just downgraded back to 11.04 when I experienced 11.10.
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Well, good luck in whatever you pick
bagers said:
And please bring freedom to our phones:
free to install any other operating system / mod
open bootloader of course
no way to brick it by flashing something wrong (simply as you can not brick your computer by installing linux)
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There's so much fail in this post. OS's are dependent on supported hardware, so you'll never have total freedom on OS choice. Bootloaders are always opened up within a month or two of a device being released, private party or otherwise. And yes, you can "brick" your PC if you are a numbskull and improperly load an OS or wipe critical files, it's just much simpler to recover. Phones lack an external keyboard, cd-rom drives, etc, so loading external recovery media or getting to a recovery point is more difficult.
FYI: One reason why carriers don't like users messing with mobile devices is because the majority are on contract extensions, so basically you pay a lowered subsidized cost on the phone in return for your business. This means that they have a vested financial interest in your mobile device. PC's, you buy outright. You don't go under contract to buy a new PC (except for credit card or financing, but they don't care what you buy, you just need to pay back).
As far as Ubuntu mobile, it's a great idea, but it's a pipe dream for at least the next 5 years. There's just too little support and mainstream use for that, and you have Ubuntu backing it, not "household" names like Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. PC's is a completely different target market than mobile devices.
more recent ubuntu isn't coded for armv6 but runs on armv7.
I read anything from lucid on up is only for armv7 or better.
my armv6 optimus v does a lovely job of running the full desktop armel debian squeeze (or sid) in a chroot; it just needs hardware drivers to straight-up boot debian instead of running it with android at the same time.
it wouldn't be that hard to release it as a mobile os, except for the proprietary drivers on all the different phones and tablets.
i hope we can install it on older WinMo hardware

Death to android tablets?

So in azrienoch's latest video he predicts a death to the android tablet platform when windows 8 arrives for tablets and then for the windows phone. Being that windows is easily recognizable to most pc users around the world and the fact that people may just go to windows because of ease of use. Having a tablet and phone that syncs and runs the same programs as their pc may be the great selling point for microsoft. Now, I won't say I agree or disagree as I think he has some interesting arguments. But I can't help but wonder if this has much chance of happening. I am wondering what your thoughts are about the future of android?
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I won't buy one. Anything with windows seems to come with a higher price. Android does everything I need to do on a tablet, if I need to do more I have a desktop.
Android must gain the ability to create,not just to modify docs and the rest ;since then Windows 8 will be for sure a step forward Android.
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I will probably buy a Windows 8 tablet. It is hard to forget that Office is the real killer app for students and enterprise.
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joalo said:
Android must gain the ability to create,not just to modify docs and the rest ;since then Windows 8 will be for sure a step forward Android.
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I do agree that it would be nice to have this feature built in to android, but QuickOffice Pro works nicely for me and I got it free (Thanks Amazon). Also google docs works ok, but needs more features for mobile editing. My G-Tab with a bluetooth or usb keyboard works great for this.
so basically android needs to become more desktop-like...
whether win8 tablet will success depends on the software in the future.
current x86 windows pc apps cannot directly run on a win8 arm tablet.
x86 tablet kills your battery life.
Windows 7 already runs on tablets and yet the iPad sold much more than all tablets running Windows since the XP to this day.
Windows 8 will be atractive, yes, but I don't think anyone can predict the death of Android. Especially since no one really knows how well the metro/desktop relation on apps is going to be accepted by the devs.
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Android squeezes everything in the market share.Knowing they started from scratch and they owned the market already last year.
I personally don't care about Windows 8 tablets.
And people who know nothing about technology either buy a iPad 2 for its name or they buy a Android tablet for its price.
depends on the programs and apps both platform will have.
Unless Google finds a way to port a very functional Word/doc/PPT/Excels processing/editing application, it will continue to have a small marketshare.
That is the only thing that I want in a windows computer.
peacekeeper05 said:
depends on the programs and apps both platform will have.
Unless Google finds a way to port a very functional Word/doc/PPT/Excels processing/editing application, it will continue to have a small marketshare.
That is the only thing that I want in a windows computer.
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Hear, hear.
Google Docs on both the phone and tablet should be much more.
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the3dman said:
I won't buy one. Anything with windows seems to come with a higher price. Android does everything I need to do on a tablet, if I need to do more I have a desktop.
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higher price, and also more restrictions
you will be limited to do all sort of stuff
very Apple like, i hate that in an OS
Some things to consider:
Android tablet sales are minuscule as is, it's a far, far away second choice to the iPad.
There will be 3x+ more Windows 8 installs than there are iPads in just 2 or so years. Windows is windows. 2012 will be a year filled with touch screen all in ones, convertible tablets, touch screen ultra books and of course tablets. All of these machines will be part of an enormous Windows Marketplace powered ecosystem.
Next gen Intel chips are going to be surprisingly efficient. My old Pinetrail netbook only ran hot when playing flash, hell my Nexus S gets hot playing flash. It also got 8+ hours on a single charge. Next years Atoms will run cooler (smaller and SoC) and will have better battery lifes. The GPUs are also immensely improved, better than current Sandybridge. Fan-less designs guaranteed too. People keep talking about ARM Windows 8 tablets but I don't think they'll even be a big deal.
Anyway my point is that I imagine that a majority of the people who are going to buy a real computer/laptop, and they're not getting a Mac/Macbook, will get some type of touch lightweight mobile Windows 8 machine. People will then quickly realize that you don't need a mobile-like (iOS, Android, WebOS, etc) tablet and only the Apple faithful will buy into the iPad. After that Windows tablets will take off and displace Android tablets altogether and have a really, really good shot at dethroning the iPad in the tablet market.
WP7 may grow a little but it wont get close to Android. Android is a puppet for OEMs and Carriers; and that's all it'll take to keep it on top.
PS: I do think that there will be a small market for $200-300 ~7" Android tablets but that may even get displaced by cheap ARM Windows 8 tablets.
The legacy support for Windows tablets seems like a last minute thing, they really didn't put much effort into that. The devices are usually expensive and run outdated hardware, and these devices won't become available til about the end of next year. The thought of someone predicting the end of even Android tablets is silly... Android tablets are really popular, they range from cheap to expensive( from expecting the worse to expecting the best) and the legacy support for apps is great. Besides that, tablets have proven themselves as a mobile device, why are you going to put a bulky operating system on a mobile platform anyways?
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So we have to hope that windows 8 won't run as well as planned?
NicholasQ said:
So we have to hope that windows 8 won't run as well as planned?
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It's Windows. That much is a given.

Windows 8 tablets

Do you think windows 8 tablets will pretty much kill this device off? How long to you think it'll take before windows 8 kicks off? Seeing the recent Asus windows 8 tablets with tegra 3, 2GB RAM and dock, it's hard not to regret your purchase...
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I, personally, will never regret not buying a Microsoft product. I did not buy an XBox, will not buy an XBox360 or the next one. I won't buy any computers with Windows installed, and I won't buy any computer parts made by Microsoft. So no, I won't regret this tablet purchase when Windows 8 tablets are released.
And regardless of my personal vendetta against MS, it seems like no one else has/had plans to buy any Windows Phone products. I don't think Windows 8 on a tablet will do any better than Windows Phone 7. But then again, I didn't think anyone would use Windows 7 after the Vista fiasco, so I could be wrong here.
Why the microsoft hate?
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I don't think so. Based on what I've used of Windows 8 and knowing that programs will have to be recompiled/remade for ARM, I think that unless MS makes a considerable effort, we will be seeing WP7 all over again.
I'm sure people will eventually port Android to those tablets, so it probably won't matter in the long run.
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I don't regret my purchase from an o/s standpoint, I use windows on my computer as I need it for work, not by choice. My only regret of my tf300 purchase arising from the the new Asus windows tablet release is the 2gb of ram. That would make such a difference in operating performance. But I would only purchase 2gb on an Android tablet, Window's closed environment really doesn't agree with me.
Yeah, that 2GB RAM is a real crucial factor. I like the fluidity of windows
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David Dee said:
I don't regret my purchase from an o/s standpoint, I use windows on my computer as I need it for work, not by choice. My only regret of my tf300 purchase arising from the the new Asus windows tablet release is the 2gb of ram. That would make such a difference in operating performance. But I would only purchase 2gb on an Android tablet, Window's closed environment really doesn't agree with me.
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I kinda want my tablet to replace a desktop so windows would be good
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The Win 8 ARM tablets probably won't be out until the Fall. After that, I suspect it will take some time for them to gain the sort of critical mass that would really attract developers. I suspect it'll be 12 months to 2 years before they offer everything I'd like to see in a tablet. When that time comes, I'll take a second look at them. I've definitely not got anything against buying a Win 8 tablet.
KindaUndisputed said:
Why the microsoft hate?
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In no particular order:
Massive security flaws in nearly all their software - and you can't tell me that the only reason so many Windows virii, worms, etc. exist is because it's popular
And the biggest culprit of the security vulnerabilities is Internet Explorer, which is (was? I haven't used Windows since XP) locked into the operating system
Windows ME
They force vendors who want to sell Windows-based computers to pay a license penalty for every computer sold without Windows, which is one of the biggest reasons Linux-based computers are so rare and usually sold by unknown manufacturers
They are collecting license fees for many Android phones based on bogus patents
Windows ME
Really, I don't even care to think about more reasons. All I can think of is the computer my parents bought with Windows ME. *shudders*
For all it matters looks like Asus is coming out with dual boot Android & windows tablet ...so I fore see that eventually developers will port them onto the transformers ..just wait and be part of the fun that unfolds....similar to my HTC hd2 phone
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Windows 8 tablets probably arent going to take off because they're just as locked down as Apple's stuff. That is, locked bootloaders are a requirement for all Win8 ARM devices and metro apps and other app stores cant be sideloaded. Microsoft is trying to pull an Apple without having the fanbase that would ensure product adoption regardless of their anti-consumer policies.
Even if they do, Android will stay around as a pretty dominant player by default since there's always going to be a group that wants freedom to use their devices as they wish.
I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
I'm definately interested in these windows 8 tabs and I think that they could make a splash in the quite "linear" market of today.
However I do also agree with some earlier posts in that while the Windows tablet market will surely benefit (how could it NOT its nonexistent right now) I don't think their smartphone situation will get any better and I doubt that the desktop market will benefit from a huge overhaul of the classic layouts. I mean lets face it, so many people use windows just because its windows. Not actually because they want to and if windows changes then I think a lot of people will leave regardless of the 'desktop mode' built into metro.
Just my 2ยข
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EndlessDissent said:
I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
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Sure, but there's also precedent in that HTC stopped locking their bootloaders after public outcry from power users. Even if Win8 takes off, some company will still sell open hardware. So long as there's a market, someone will cater to it.
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I don't know about that. Some Android manufacturers are locking things down pretty hardcore *cough*motorola*cough, which makes them not so different from Apple.
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Even if they try to lock down their devices in many cases the dev communities will find a way to unlock them. And I doubt that's going to change any time soon.
I also think there will always be good companies that will release bootloader unlocks *cough* Asus and HTC *cough* and I think with Google's recent acquiring of Motorola I don't think they'll be as locked down as before
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Sure, but there's also precedent in that HTC stopped locking their bootloaders after public outcry from power users. Even if Win8 takes off, some company will still sell open hardware. So long as there's a market, someone will cater to it.
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The issue with Windows 8 isn't the hardware manufacturer, it's Microsoft. If you want to sell a device with Windows 8 the bootloader HAS to be locked.
here's the article here on XDA http://goo.gl/rq4yw
I suppose bootlaoders COULD be unlocked, but UEFI might make things interesting.
And as for porting Windows 8 to other devices, that's fine if there is a walk through on how to do it, but dev's cant' just hand out pre-built roms with Windows 8 without violating copyright laws as you have to have a license to legally run Windows.
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haha won't let it go huh?
Seriously though, i don't blame you, with ME and ME 2.0 (vista) it just proves that they can't all be winners.
Personally i have no issues with Windows 7 and use it as my daily OS both at work and at home.
Windows 8 is going to cause issues when it's released, especially in the desktop market, people are going to freak out when they see Metro on their shiny new computer. I think Microsoft needs to build in some sort of auto detection for touch panels, if there isn't one, default to the classic desktop / start menu.
I love Win7, use it both at work and at home, and it's just a really good, solid, stable OS.
That said, I don't regret buying my Transformer with Android at all, for all the reasons stated above.
1) read the articles on that new hybrid tablet, it's riddled with air vents. It runs hot like a volcano and chews up batteries worse than the gameboy from my childhood. (oh you poor, poor aa batteries, you never stood a chance.)
2) it's locked down just as bad as apple. Sad to see them go this route. It's strange that in one product (the kinect) they leave it wide open and encourage hacking and user development, but then in other products (win8 on tablets, what are they calling it, some retarded name like RT or some ****?) they completely lock it down.
3) no dev support, and I don't see much coming in the near future.
4) It's a first gen product, almost all first gen products suck. at least for the tech world.
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Interesting discussion here. Google is obviously well aware of the potential threat from Windows 8 and it looks like they have begun their countering strategy:
Announced at noon today - Google Acquires Mobile Productivity Company Quickoffice - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/google-acquires-mobile-productivity-company-quickoffice/
It will be interesting how Google will utilize this capability. Free native integration? Could be costly as they still have to pay licensing obligations to Microsoft around this software. Whatever it is, I have complete faith Google will provide a very attractive alternative to Windows 8. When it comes to innovation, I have no doubt in my mind which of the two companies comes out miles ahead.
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The issue with Windows 8 isn't the hardware manufacturer, it's Microsoft. If you want to sell a device with Windows 8 the bootloader HAS to be locked.
here's the article here on XDA http://goo.gl/rq4yw
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That is true, that was my point in the first post I made in this thread. I was more pointing out that Android and flexible hardware to run it aren't going anywhere so long as its unchallenged in being a more free (as in speech) alternative.
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Interesting discussion here. Google is obviously well aware of the potential threat from Windows 8 and it looks like they have begun their countering strategy:
Announced at noon today - Google Acquires Mobile Productivity Company Quickoffice - http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/05/google-acquires-mobile-productivity-company-quickoffice/
It will be interesting how Google will utilize this capability. Free native integration? Could be costly as they still have to pay licensing obligations to Microsoft around this software. Whatever it is, I have complete faith Google will provide a very attractive alternative to Windows 8. When it comes to innovation, I have no doubt in my mind which of the two companies comes out miles ahead.
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That is interesting. Quickoffice has easily the best office suite for Android, if Google were to polish it up (and not gut its non-cloud capabilities) it could easily become a much more serious competitor to MS Office and, in turn make Android a better alternative to Win8 for productivity.
I think another thing to consider is the enterprise world. In giant corporations all over the world, employees are begging for tablets. IT departments are hesitant to give them Android or ipads. If a Windows 8 tablet does a lot to satisfy the IT departments of companies all over the world, I could see a lot of adoption coming from there.
RIM is pretty much dead nowadays, but that's how they made their (now gone) zillions.
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Mac OS X on Surface?

well none of us exactly know yet, but will the surface be compatible of running OS X? it's a powerful tablet and it probably could handle the graphics and the OS, but it just depends on the processor, so would it?
RT: Definitely no
Pro. Kinda tricky. There will be no drivers for touch screen probably. I don't know if keyboard works on simple USB. Plus, there probably won't be motherboard support, which would kill battery life. Oh. Surface uses UEFI. Mac OS X also uses UEFI. But Surface UEFI is lockdown, so it would be hard to trick Mac OS X into thinking that Surface is a Mac. In addition, installing Mac OS X in most cases is illegal. (Unless you are an Apple Engineer). Simple answer is no.
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RT: Definitely no
Pro. Kinda tricky. There will be no drivers for touch screen probably. I don't know if keyboard works on simple USB. Plus, there probably won't be motherboard support, which would kill battery life. Oh. Surface uses UEFI. Mac OS X also uses UEFI. But Surface UEFI is lockdown, so it would be hard to trick Mac OS X into thinking that Surface is a Mac. In addition, installing Mac OS X in most cases is illegal. (Unless you are an Apple Engineer). Simple answer is no.
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ok then i get it, well then, itll be fine now. Thanks for ur help
you never know what may happen when it comes out.
As a Macbook Pro owner, I have to ask: why in heck would you want that bloated, tacky-ass OSX on Microsoft's beautiful tablet with its magnificent, modern UI?
Once Windows 8 tablets start shipping, I'm ditching Apple forever. Sold off my iPhone for a WP7 last year (recently upgraded to a Titan II, also), sold my iPad a month ago (thank god, right before Apple announced they were ****ing over iPad 1 owners), and I'm looking forward to ditching my Macbook Pro, primarily because of OSX and its ugly, tacky, skewmorphism bull****.
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I have to ask: why in heck would you want that bloated, tacky-ass OSX on Microsoft's beautiful tablet with its magnificent, modern UI?
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+1, I keep wondering why people want to be able to run OSX/Android on a Microsoft tablet... PLEASE BUY AN iPAD OR ANDROID TABLET IF YOU PREFER THAT OS.
ya'll are right, i'm running windows 8 on my notebook and it is the best UI i have experienced, although there is a few bugs right now, below is my video on windows 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSj3Fdqw8K0
Just need some more apps. Is MS accepting apps already? I want a google reader and nothing until now..
I think there already was one a few years ago, I think it was called a modbook pro.
Modbook is actually coming out with a new model in the fall
That new one hasx great specs
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I don't believe that OS X could run on the Surface's ARM processor.
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As long as surface is using intel then yes you can.
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Alexander-HTC said:
RT: Definitely no
Pro. Kinda tricky. There will be no drivers for touch screen probably. I don't know if keyboard works on simple USB. Plus, there probably won't be motherboard support, which would kill battery life. Oh. Surface uses UEFI. Mac OS X also uses UEFI. But Surface UEFI is lockdown, so it would be hard to trick Mac OS X into thinking that Surface is a Mac. In addition, installing Mac OS X in most cases is illegal. (Unless you are an Apple Engineer). Simple answer is no.
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its not illegal.
Yes, give tonymac and insanely some time... it will happen
its not illegal.
Yes, give tonymac and insanely some time... it will happen
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yea, they will find a way...
This procedure would not be possible, because, not only the mac does not support the touchscreen, but also because it would be illegal.
The only way would be to use a virtual machine and many tricks (the touch screen would simulate the mouse and not a touch interface, the keyboard can be used as touch, but should be incompatible (only one USB keyboard would be supported)
Then, who knows...
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its not illegal.
Yes, give tonymac and insanely some time... it will happen
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Yes it is illegal, read the EULA some time. You can only install OS X on Apple hardware. Hacking the install DVD's to make Hackintoshes violates that EULA. You can debate it all you want, but I won't cater to it. Apple made sure that that their OS can only be used on Apple hardware after the Mac clone contracts were terminated back in the late '90's.
I read as much as I could understand, and slapped the apple sticker that came with my powerbook on the box.
But I play music loud enough for other people to hear it too, which is illegal according to hollywood.
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sorry but why do want this?
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LiViD said:
Yes it is illegal, read the EULA some time. You can only install OS X on Apple hardware. Hacking the install DVD's to make Hackintoshes violates that EULA. You can debate it all you want, but I won't cater to it. Apple made sure that that their OS can only be used on Apple hardware after the Mac clone contracts were terminated back in the late '90's.
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Just because you won't cater to it , it doesn't mean anyone else who installed os x is going to jail.
Ever heard of someone going to jail for building a hackintosh?
Neither did I......
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Dual boot Android & Windows, is it possible?

Exactly as the subject says, can a custom ROM be created that would allow the N5 to dual boot Android and Windows 8.1? This would blow my mind from an enterprise perspective. Essentially a Transformer Book Duet in our hands.
Feel free to bring me crashing back to reality if this is in no way possible lol.
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Dolfan058 said:
Exactly as the subject says, can a custom ROM be created that would allow the N5 to dual boot Android and Windows 8.1? This would blow my mind from an enterprise perspective. Essentially a Transformer Book Duet in our hands.
Feel free to bring me crashing back to reality if this is in no way possible lol.
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It will be nearly impossible to do so since Windows is not open source. Meaning a Dev will have to reconstruct everything from scratch to get it to work. It will never be bug free or fully functional. Although it would be nice to have other OS options just for bragging rights.
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Dolfan058 said:
Exactly as the subject says, can a custom ROM be created that would allow the N5 to dual boot Android and Windows 8.1? This would blow my mind from an enterprise perspective. Essentially a Transformer Book Duet in our hands.
Feel free to bring me crashing back to reality if this is in no way possible lol.
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nexus 5 has an ARM cpu
closest thing that works on ARM cpus in the Windows RT... but good luck with the drivers and other stuff
there are new phones coming out with the Intel Clover Trail/Bay Trail architecture. these are fully x86/x64-compatible chips.... maybe someone would be able to load windows on those... then you run into the problem of having the radio modem work in windows and other stuff
Well @Cotulla sort of made it happen for the HD2 in this thread. It wasn't Windows 8.1, but it was WPH. I think that's a pretty good start.
He's also been working with the HTC One to get Windows RT or WP8 working (here), which is pretty sweet. I'm not sure how much he could help with the Nexus 5, though, since I don't think he has one.
might as well buy a windows phone
Bringing this back from the dead --- I definitely meant Windows Phone 8.1, not the desktop client.
I'm planning on buying a Windows Phone at the end of the year (waiting for the mythical McLaren phone), but I was kind of hoping I'd be able to do something crazy and try loading Windows on this beast. it certainly has the specs for it, although I admittedly have no clue as to how difficult it would be (didn't take into account the on-screen buttons, etc).
I can dream though!
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Bringing this back from the dead --- I definitely meant Windows Phone 8.1, not the desktop client.
I'm planning on buying a Windows Phone at the end of the year (waiting for the mythical McLaren phone), but I was kind of hoping I'd be able to do something crazy and try loading Windows on this beast. it certainly has the specs for it, although I admittedly have no clue as to how difficult it would be (didn't take into account the on-screen buttons, etc).
I can dream though!
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Nope.
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Bringing this back from the dead --- I definitely meant Windows Phone 8.1, not the desktop client.
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Same answer
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jabza said:
Well @Cotulla sort of made it happen for the HD2 in this thread. It wasn't Windows 8.1, but it was WPH. I think that's a pretty good start.
He's also been working with the HTC One to get Windows RT or WP8 working (here), which is pretty sweet. I'm not sure how much he could help with the Nexus 5, though, since I don't think he has one.
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The HTC HD2 was a Windows phone and he brought Android to it. Since Android is open source it's much easier to port Android to Windows devices than Windows to Android devices.
I have a very clear and scientific answer to this.....no.
Plus...if it were possible, the windows OS would be warez....and we don't talk about such things on XDA. ?
Yeah, licensing fees from Microsoft anyways lol
There is nothing in the Terms of use about using Windows Phone on other hardware, nor is there a licence agreement to adhere to or a purchasable licence for the OS - so I wouldn't necessarily say Windows Phone would be Warez
That said it's still nigh-on impossible.

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