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G2x, Sensation, or Galaxy S II?

Before I ask, I know there have been many threads about this topic, but my question is a little more specific than the rest. I get to upgrade my phone sometime in the next few weeks and one of these will be my first android phone. As a young artist, I am mostly looking for a phone which will take quality photos for good reference and preferably one which has video auto focus. I'm also a heavy internet user (about 5 hours a day on iPod Touch) but coming from iOS, I long for flash player. I also like to game a lot so the dual core cpu performance has to be somewhat decent with good speeds (better than my 4th gen touch at least lol). Lastly I'm a big media person with music a videos so I'm looking for a quality screen, support for multiple media formats (specifically mkv), decent speakers, and if possible, support for in-line headphones with volume, FF and RR (optional to come in the box, but if there are alternative working ones, please post below as I haven't found a solution with android devices and working in-line headphones). I've played around with my cousins EVO a lot so I've grown a liking to HTC Sense but I would also like to try out stock android sometime. And after a lot of time reading reviews and comments, I've taken a liking to the Galaxy S II's screen but I'm not a fan of TouchWiz. As previously stated, coming from an iOS user, I'm hoping one of these phones can either match or have greater quality with the screen in terms of brightness and contrast (not so much with resolution but mostly with colors, hue, and saturation). I'm hoping this narrows down the margin between these 3 phones.
P.S. I'm also hoping for one of these to have great dev support since I love to customize and test new tweaks.
EDITED - Also as an additional post, can you explain the batter life of the 3 as best as you can (even considering not having much info about the sensation)

I would say the G2X after LG fixes the Bleeding screen, restarts, and battery life issue. Both the GS2 and Sensatoin both have skins over android to which I've never been a fan of. 1st GS2 Engaget did a review and called it the best smart phone on the planet (the week before g2x was lol) but its made of plastic and its really thin so if the unthinkable happens and you drop the phone changes are its going to get jacked up and touchwiz. 2. Sensation Ive never been a fan of sense its a power hungry beast that needs to be removed. Just look at the battery life of the thunderbolt its really bad.
I had the G2X for a week and I loved it, its solid like my Nexus One it feels like a phone. I dropped it twice once on my tile floor and there were no marks and once on my naked foot to which brought me great pain. (lol) The G2X will have CM7 the galaxy s phones don't have CM support so why do you think that GS2 will? I plan on getting anothe G2x I'm just waiting until the 2nd line of them.

It honestly sounds like the Galaxy S II is just right for you. I know you say you dont like touchwiz (believe me I hate it) but the TW 4.0 or whatever its called looks really nice. From what I have seen it looks better than sense ui. Anyways, there have been battles between the G2X and the Galaxy S II and hardware wise the GSII always has the upper hand with camera, performance, screen, colors, etc.. However there are many things to consider. Do we even know what US carrier (if any) will receive the GSII? Also coming from the vibrant I swore up and down I wouild never buy a samsung phone again. Their lack of software support was just unacceptable. Im not even talking upgrades, just basic bug fixes. Development for this phone NEVER gave us a fully functioning stock android or AOSP ROM. Sure CM7 made a lot of headway and may still come to the galaxy s with all the fixes but right now it still has bugs and some things just dont work.
To make a long story short, I got the G2X because I wanted a stock android experience with a lot of developer backing (specifically cyanogenmod) and the specs of the phone are pretty amazing. Now it sounds to me like media and camera are more important to you so you may feel more welcome by the Galaxy S II if you dont care about aftermarket roms and such.

get 2x
coming from a vibrant, i can say that screen on the g2x is actually better and it being a stock android updates come faster and custom roms will also. I can't wait for the cyanogen mod either. I had battery issues but after resetting my phone the battery works just fine. they all have similar processors but the g2x being stock will get you better performance. I am a photographer also and am creating a photo journal with the g2x and it does the job well. good luck

i say go for SGS2, it works quite good out of the box and it has a great screen and you will absolutely appreciate the larger screen. Though im not really a fan of touchwiz.
I have g2x and going to return it today for SGS2.

There is no doubt in my mind that the dev support will be there for the sgs2 but it will be greater on the g2x just b/c of all the vanillaness.
The weight of the galaxy line is extremely light but believe me when I say that it is extremely durable. My old cliq felt like a brick but the second time I dropped that it stopped working completely so weight and feel have nothing to do with durability.
My vibrant has pretty much been through the equivalent of back to back fights with Manny Pacquiao and Anderson Silva only to come out as the new peoples champ. If you can wait, I would say try to see what all 3 of them are like and whether or not they come to your carrier. Its what I'm gonna do b/c I would hate to be stuck in another 2 year contract and not have the phone that I'm gonna own for atleast half of that time.

I have the same question, but new phones will probably come out because my next upgrade is in September. I really hate big phones and it seems phones are getting bigger and bigger. I really like the nexus s design (A lot!) And I like stock android, so I think I might wait until the nexus s2 comes out. Hopefully it stays a bit close to the design of the nexus s.

Sense isn't that power hungry the reason why the thunderbolt sucks on battery life is because of the lte network. A custom sense rom usually has no data drops. Like the aosp roms do.
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Killbynature said:
Sense isn't that power hungry the reason why the thunderbolt sucks on battery life is because of the lte network. A custom sense rom usually has no data drops. Like the aosp roms do.
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Each one of my friends who had a sense phone who switched to a custom rom w/o sense batter life increased alot.

jrharvey said:
It honestly sounds like the Galaxy S II is just right for you. I know you say you dont like touchwiz (believe me I hate it) but the TW 4.0 or whatever its called looks really nice. From what I have seen it looks better than sense ui. Anyways, there have been battles between the G2X and the Galaxy S II and hardware wise the GSII always has the upper hand with camera, performance, screen, colors, etc.. However there are many things to consider. Do we even know what US carrier (if any) will receive the GSII? Also coming from the vibrant I swore up and down I wouild never buy a samsung phone again. Their lack of software support was just unacceptable. Im not even talking upgrades, just basic bug fixes. Development for this phone NEVER gave us a fully functioning stock android or AOSP ROM. Sure CM7 made a lot of headway and may still come to the galaxy s with all the fixes but right now it still has bugs and some things just dont work.
To make a long story short, I got the G2X because I wanted a stock android experience with a lot of developer backing (specifically cyanogenmod) and the specs of the phone are pretty amazing. Now it sounds to me like media and camera are more important to you so you may feel more welcome by the Galaxy S II if you dont care about aftermarket roms and such.
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Thanks for your input. Also as a CFW PSP user and a Jailbroken iOS user, I like to have a combination of both dev support and media features, so I wouldn't want to leave that out. I'm surprised that only one person gave consideration to the sensation when I stated how it was the only UI I've ever used so far on android, and I read how it had an HRD camera with auto focus video so I thought most would assume that as the better choice, but my only problem with it is how its rumored to not have an unlocked bootloader. I think atm I will go with the g2x but I hope to hear about some alternatives to getting inline music controls to work.

g2xnerd said:
coming from a vibrant, i can say that screen on the g2x is actually better and it being a stock android updates come faster and custom roms will also. I can't wait for the cyanogen mod either. I had battery issues but after resetting my phone the battery works just fine. they all have similar processors but the g2x being stock will get you better performance. I am a photographer also and am creating a photo journal with the g2x and it does the job well. good luck
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Thank you very much! when I saw still photos on the G2X compared to the S II, I thought it looked inferior, but being able to make a photo journal out of it seems to counter that argument. BTW is it possible for the camera to get an update for auto focus video recording like the Galaxy S Vibrant did? For camera usage, that is the only thing pushing me back from the G2X as well as the support for multiple video formats (which I hear the Galaxy S II will have based on the Exynos processor). Hope to receive some additional feedback.

If you go bluetooth you can get inline music control. I personally have and like the plantronics backbeats and the sweatproof motorola S-10 HDs. The backbeats are more flexible and easier to wear, while the S-10s are must haves for working out and sports.
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Infos3c said:
If you go bluetooth you can get inline music control. I personally have and like the plantronics backbeats and the sweatproof motorola S-10 HDs. The backbeats are more flexible and easier to wear, while the S-10s are must haves for working out and sports.
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i hear a lot of mixed things about bluetooth headphones. even though the sound quality is great and the music controls work, I cannot always depend on headphones which need charging. Having to charge one device already is enough so i am more suited for wired inline in ear headphones.

jree said:
There is no doubt in my mind that the dev support will be there for the sgs2 but it will be greater on the g2x just b/c of all the vanillaness.
The weight of the galaxy line is extremely light but believe me when I say that it is extremely durable. My old cliq felt like a brick but the second time I dropped that it stopped working completely so weight and feel have nothing to do with durability.
My vibrant has pretty much been through the equivalent of back to back fights with Manny Pacquiao and Anderson Silva only to come out as the new peoples champ. If you can wait, I would say try to see what all 3 of them are like and whether or not they come to your carrier. Its what I'm gonna do b/c I would hate to be stuck in another 2 year contract and not have the phone that I'm gonna own for atleast half of that time.
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Well not voting for the SGS2 here but I don't think Vanilla has any bearings on Dev Support, directly. Granted, I prefer vanilla and thus may contribute to its popularity, which, indirectly, popularity = dev support.
The only thing that matters is that the bootloader is unlocked and it is easily rootable and flashable. I mean once you get a CM rom on there, they all work the same.
I think Vanilla roms are more open to other variants like MIUI and the likes because they typically share the same partition structure. I know the G2x has a different structure and I think it is safe to say the SGS2 does too. Good thing that we are able to format and change the partitions to work across multiple roms.
The SGS2 was recently rooted and I think they found the bootloader to be unlocked. So it should be able to be flashed pretty easily.
One big factor that more people don't think about is the screen size. I have small hands (vs huge sausages) and the 4" screen of the G2x pushes my comfort zone. I think 4.3" would be too much and I would be fumbling it while trying to do one handed operations.
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
Nothing like buying a new toy and finding that it doesn't work with the latest HD games.
DMan1993 said:
that is the only thing pushing me back from the G2X as well as the support for multiple video formats (which I hear the Galaxy S II will have based on the Exynos processor). Hope to receive some additional feedback.
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As far as multiple video formats, I don't think this has much to do with physical hardware as it does software. While I am most certainly not an expert, I have played a range of videos on my phones. Wouldn't all you need is a Video app that has the correct codecs and support for such file types?
I mean, really, not picking one device over another based on media format is just insane to me and defies all logic. I mean how easy is it to convert between formats, come on. I'd say that if you using a less common format or one that isn't widely available, you are only asking for trouble anyway. Most of the video I find online are either MP4 or avi and have no problem playing them on my device. If you are ripping it yourself, just save it in a format you can use.

This is a very good player, plays many formats
http://market.android.com/details?id=net.thefluxstudio.implayer

Player911:
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
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I'm quite surprised that the SGS2 folks have a buyers remorse, especially after reading your post. I was having remorse with the G2x since it just has 512MB ram and the GS2 kicks the G2x to the curb on every bullet point except Value for money/cost (I'm buying off contract). I'm also very surprised when you implicitly state that Orion cannot run Tegra games even though it's way faster than tegra.

ski_power said:
I'm quite surprised that the SGS2 folks have a buyers remorse, especially after reading your post. I was having remorse with the G2x since it just has 512MB ram and the GS2 kicks the G2x to the curb on every bullet point except Value for money/cost (I'm buying off contract). I'm also very surprised when you implicitly state that Orion cannot run Tegra games even though it's way faster than tegra.
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Dont just look at numbers (1ghz dual core vs 1.2 dual core) RAM numbers, etc.
It has been said the 1ghz Tegra 2 is a better processor overall, and you really dont need more than 512mb of RAM since Android closes apps on its own when memory gets low. You wont see much if any performance increase from merely more RAM.
Lets not forget Samsung's recent past with its Galaxy S line having broken GPS, wonky file systems that slowed down phones, and bootloaders locked.
I wouldnt just yet say the SGS2 is a better device because how it looks on paper.

>It has been said the 1ghz Tegra 2 is a better processor overall, and you really dont need more than 512mb of RAM since Android closes apps on its own when memory gets low. You wont see much if any performance increase from merely more RAM.
I'm not sure about that. Both use dual Cortex A9s. The difference in hardware between the two is the GPU. We all know Tegra 2 uses GeForce ULP but I'm not sure what the Exynos uses(SGX or Adreno).
I concede my point to your statement about the RAM, since I only recently learnt about memory management in Android (this is my first Android). I'm pretty sure Sammy must have fixed the GPS issues, since if they don't I'd lose all respect for them.
Oh OP, one thing you might want to consider is that the Galaxy S2 does not have an HDMI out port. They say it's got some USB-HDMI cable though.
Also, it depends on your hands. The G2x itself is a pretty big device in my opinion, and seeing that the SGS2 has a 4.3" screen it's going to be much bigger.

Definitely sgs2
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player911 said:
Well not voting for the SGS2 here but I don't think Vanilla has any bearings on Dev Support, directly. Granted, I prefer vanilla and thus may contribute to its popularity, which, indirectly, popularity = dev support.
The only thing that matters is that the bootloader is unlocked and it is easily rootable and flashable. I mean once you get a CM rom on there, they all work the same.
I think Vanilla roms are more open to other variants like MIUI and the likes because they typically share the same partition structure. I know the G2x has a different structure and I think it is safe to say the SGS2 does too. Good thing that we are able to format and change the partitions to work across multiple roms.
The SGS2 was recently rooted and I think they found the bootloader to be unlocked. So it should be able to be flashed pretty easily.
One big factor that more people don't think about is the screen size. I have small hands (vs huge sausages) and the 4" screen of the G2x pushes my comfort zone. I think 4.3" would be too much and I would be fumbling it while trying to do one handed operations.
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
Nothing like buying a new toy and finding that it doesn't work with the latest HD games.
As far as multiple video formats, I don't think this has much to do with physical hardware as it does software. While I am most certainly not an expert, I have played a range of videos on my phones. Wouldn't all you need is a Video app that has the correct codecs and support for such file types?
I mean, really, not picking one device over another based on media format is just insane to me and defies all logic. I mean how easy is it to convert between formats, come on. I'd say that if you using a less common format or one that isn't widely available, you are only asking for trouble anyway. Most of the video I find online are either MP4 or avi and have no problem playing them on my device. If you are ripping it yourself, just save it in a format you can use.
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Coming from iOS, I am tired of having to convert all of my videos to mp4 format and having little knowledge of android from not having owned one just increases my curiosity on the matter since the SGSII specs list stated that the Exynos processor has more support for video formats than tegra 2. Being able to directly download and play any format is one thing I am looking for in one of these phones so that is why I asked the question. Some of the videos I download are dual audio and subbed mkv's and having to download multiple programs to get the subtitles and audio working on a mobile device is very time consuming so having support for multiple codecs would make things a whole lot easier.

which phone more future proof? Galaxy S2 or iPhone

Hi there, im just wondering which phone is more future proof, i MIGHT be getting rid of 1 of them so i need 2 know which 1 i should keep. Which one of the phones is more future proof in terms of gaming?
By future proof i mean i dont want 2 upgrade in 2 years when my contract ends, i want the phone for about 3 yrs atleast.
I know Galaxy S2 has 4G and a bigger screen but on the other side of the coin the iphone 4S has a better graphics chip(dont know how much by) and i know games are always continually developed for iphones....hard decision, someone please help me make one lol
I want facts not just fanboy opinions for either device. 10 points best answer.
P.S: I already know that Andoid has less apps/games but most the ones i play are on Android.. so that particular issue aint really an issue for me.
I also want a phone that will continue running super smooth over the time also...the reason why i have both is because something about the largeness of the galaxy s2 screen keeps me coming back 2 it, but the games seem 2 run smoother on iPhone so its a hard decision

1. If i not mistaken Galaxy S2 has been awarded "The Phone of the Year",
2. S2 is more durable when come to drop test, you can easily find relevant video on youtube.
3. S2 has 1GB RAM, I4 has only 512MB, my guess is program run smoother on S2
4. Android Platform can multitask, I4 can't
5. Camera on S2 is 8MP while I4 is only 5MP.
6. S2 support 1080p while I4 support 720p
That all i can think of for the moment...

Definitely the s2. There's just more you can squeeze out of it in terms of gaming performance.
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I have to go with the Galaxy S2. Its just so nice looking.

lol are u guys just android fanboys?
gaming performance apparently the iphone 4s beats the galaxy s2 in gaming benchmarks..so how could u squeeze more out of it??

You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
Edit: woops i missed the "s" in your post.

vnvman said:
You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
Edit: woops i missed the "s" in your post.
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i actually did state what device i had... the 4S

vnvman said:
You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
Edit: woops i missed the "s" in your post.
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I dont buy a phone just for gaming, i want an all round, best featured phone with gaming as a major part of it but i also want a phone that will atleast last me 2-3 years without NEEDING an upgrade. iphones are closed soure and i dont use itunes i purchase my music from other sources so android seems 2 be the go, but then why is iphone so popular and why do games/updates come out on them first usually?

peterdan1506 said:
I dont buy a phone just for gaming, i want an all round, best featured phone with gaming as a major part of it but i also want a phone that will atleast last me 2-3 years without NEEDING an upgrade. iphones are closed soure and i dont use itunes i purchase my music from other sources so android seems 2 be the go, but then why is iphone so popular and why do games/updates come out on them first usually?
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All in all it's a matter of personal preference: if you keep the GS2 now you probably won't *need* (unless you don't wanna use a case for it) an upgrade: the phone will still be overall fully functional and usable but i'm pretty sure that many console quality games coming out next year or so will lag on it, and probably software wise don't expect to go further than ICS...also, the lack of optimization within the Android platform makes you need better hardware in order to run the games that will be baked for the A5 chipset, wich is greatly superior to Exynos (about twice as powerful). Long story short this is what i mean: the phone itself won't be outdated soon, but the gaming part will take a severe hit quite soon (imho), because most of the games coming out will be first of all designed for the 4s, so they will obviously look worse on every other phone available at the moment. You will see that already when MC3 will hit the Android market: people will start complaining for the lag and the crappier textures compared to the iPad2/iPhone4s version.
Why do games come out on iOS first? This is pretty self explanatory: when developing a console quality game you have to take full advantage of the hardware of each device the said game will be released for. Doing this for nearly each Android device will be way too expensive for the software houses, and their income wouldn't improve much either: iPhone is still the most sold phone on Earth after all, and all together i'm pretty sure that Apple outsells Android talking about higher end devices, and games are meant mainly for those, so go figure... You also have to take into account that also the software differs quite a lot through androids, and i honestly don't know how well ICS will address this issue, we'll see. Another show stopper for devs is the fact that Android is easily hackable, so it's almost pointless to sell expensive high grade games on it. This said you're still right when you say that iOS is really locked down, but this is actually the price you have to pay for an unmatched software optimization. Oh, and about the iTunes thing, you don't need to buy music from itunes if you have an iPhone, just add the one you have to the library. Also, if you're an audiophile please note that the GS2 is very average (basically it sounds like a mid range phone) as a media player, while the 4s delivers much better sound quality.

the thing about the iphone's tho is that its a really small screen. so when playing mc3 i have 2 squint 2 see. whats the point on having console quality if its only on a small screen?
also, the gs2 has more RAM, double what iphone 4s has, that is another thing that gets me... but u are helping me a make decision.
To be honest, i dont think MC3 on the GS2 will be too much different graphically then it is on iPhone... thats why its not released yet, cos they need 2 optimize it for each and every android device hat is capable of playing it. All the faster GPU does is account for faster rendering, not better textures
i know you dont have 2 purchase music through itunes... but then u NEED a pc or laptop 2 be able 2 add the songs 2 the official music player library and playlists...do you not?

peterdan1506 said:
the thing about the iphone's tho is that its a really small screen. so when playing mc3 i have 2 squint 2 see. whats the point on having console quality if its only on a small screen?
also, the gs2 has more RAM, double what iphone 4s has, that is another thing that gets me... but u are helping me a make decision.
To be honest, i dont think MC3 on the GS2 will be too much different graphically then it is on iPhone... thats why its not released yet, cos they need 2 optimize it for each and every android device hat is capable of playing it. All the faster GPU does is account for faster rendering, not better textures
i know you dont have 2 purchase music through itunes... but then u NEED a pc or laptop 2 be able 2 add the songs 2 the official music player library and playlists...do you not?
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Yeah i know, infact i got the GS2 because i wanted a big, badass amoled screen and didn't care too much about games. Audio quality was a big let down to me tho, i was expecting it to sound at least as good as the SGS, which was really boss. Actually i tried to play MC2 on a friend's iPhone a while ago and the screen felt like a joke, but i got big hands, so that might have been just me. I really hope MC3 will be good, but i'm not very optimistic because MC2 was delayed too and was still quite rushed when it came out, and right now the Android version still has poorer textures. But who knows after all: Tintin came out in two different versions, for both high and low end devices, so there might be hope.
Talking about music afaik there isn't a way to load it on an iPhone without a pc, but i'm not really into iOS (as many here) so i'm not sure, maybe you can if you're jailbroken.

None of the above
Quad cores phones (HTC Edge) already made it on the stage, so that means everything dual core and single core will be obsolete or abandoned soon after, probably in a year or two
and there's no such thing as futureproof
when i7 CPU extreme black edition was the top of the line 3~4 years ago, now has been far surpassed by its younger brothers with 12 cores 2 years later (from 8 cores...)
so, just buy what you can afford today, and what you like best today.
if you are not in a hurry to get a new phone, then wait for as long as you can wait before getting a new phone, because 3 months down the row, a new and better phone is waiting for you
peterdan1506 said:
Hi there, im just wondering which phone is more future proof, i MIGHT be getting rid of 1 of them so i need 2 know which 1 i should keep. Which one of the phones is more future proof in terms of gaming?
By future proof i mean i dont want 2 upgrade in 2 years when my contract ends, i want the phone for about 3 yrs atleast.
I know Galaxy S2 has 4G and a bigger screen but on the other side of the coin the iphone 4S has a better graphics chip(dont know how much by) and i know games are always continually developed for iphones....hard decision, someone please help me make one lol
I want facts not just fanboy opinions for either device. 10 points best answer.
P.S: I already know that Andoid has less apps/games but most the ones i play are on Android.. so that particular issue aint really an issue for me.
I also want a phone that will continue running super smooth over the time also...the reason why i have both is because something about the largeness of the galaxy s2 screen keeps me coming back 2 it, but the games seem 2 run smoother on iPhone so its a hard decision
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My example
i switched phone provider, i needed a new phone, there was nothing decent at the time, i was forced to pick up the Nexus S with all its downside
so now that the SGS2 finally made its way, i switched to it right away, because that's the phone that can actually accomplish what i needed to do
but say for example if the Nexus S was able to meet all my needs, i wouldn't have bothered to upgrade to the SGS2, i'd probably have waited for Nexus 4 or SGS3 before getting a new phone
so it all comes down to your needs, and what you want to do with it, and if the phone is able to do what you want

@AllGamer: i agree, but we must not forget that it's not just a matter of hardware: most games still run better on an old as **** 3gs rather on the latest Android superphone. If the software (games or whatever) isn't optimized all the cores in the world won't make our gaming experience better, and this is especially true on a mobile platform.

lol its funny how ppl think old android devices will become obsolete. as th guy under all gamer.stated they still optimize games for older phones. my brother has a htc legend and most of the games are playable on that still through optimization and besides if needed u can overclock android devices cpu and gpu.
With that being said. Do ppl think games will still be made and optimized for dual devices like the
gs2?? As it would still be a very capable phone? Im new to android so what are peoples experience with past android game compatibility with phones??

i would go with the sg2... i will give advantage to the android system in general... even now it show its supremacy over iOS... and with no doubt it will become better

Well simply the iphone im a android fan at heart. But even I know the apple has the best reselling value for devices period. By the time the new iphone 5 comes out most people would of sold their iphone 4 or 4s by then to get it. You can get unreasonable amount of money for devices which are last gen on various selling sites.

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games that works in one phone will not work on another
mainly due Tegra, Exynos/Hummingbird, Qualcomm
then it comes the RAM sizes
so it's up to the game developer to provide support or not for their games
good example
Gameloft said they will no longer update Dungeon Hunter 1, which i paid for, but is not compatible with newer phone
other typical example Tegra games will not run on non tegras phones
some games are only available in certain models, some other are available in all, so it really depends on which games you plan to play, or might play in the future

depends
I think hardware wise, you're better with the android phone....
is you want to keep up with software, the iphone.
as an owner, for a year now, of a SGS1, and having it abandoned, if you're ok with the software that comes on it possibly being the only os update you get, and nearly no luck of them quickly releasing patches for bugs, then the SGS would be ok...
I'm not a big iFan, so am a little biased, but am jealous of the control apple has over their software updates...with the Iphone, you'll likely get fairly quick bug fixes pushed to your phone, and good chance your phone will get the next 1 or 2 os updates apple releases.
I think with the SGS, you'll be better with the larger screen...as I think phones are trending that way...and the more memory..and of course you get the future speed bumps as the carrier's 4g (3g+) tech gets updated and expanded....
personally...ny next phone is the nexus prime. updates straight from google, in a timely manner, and many of the specs similar to the sgs2.
just my 2 cents

HTC One X vs. Lumia 900

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cAsprVPIRc
What do you think? Seeing what android does on 4 cores still doesn't make me miss android and it's poor responsiveness and lag. I'll stick with my Lumias. That said, the One X jumping onboard the polycarbonate train behind Nokia was not a bad move, it's certainly their best looking device to date and if Nokia wasn't around, a WP7 variant might be my next phone.

Stick with the Lumias you have up for trade in the "Wanting to sell" forum? It is understandable why you don't like Android...you just don't know what you are doing. It's like putting your average Joe behind the seat of a Formula 1 race car...he will never realize its true potential. But hey, you just want an automatic transmission that any old little lady can drive, right?

No, stick with the unlocked 900 I have. Still making statements without foundation I see.

i like , htc one

And how long will you stick with this phone when all rumors point towards all current WP7 devices not getting updated?

Two sources that are known for mocking wp7 and being wrong about it as opposed to those who say that at least the second Gen devices will and the Apollo tests on the lumia 900 and 610? Odds are in my favor, not that I won't pick up a new device then anyway.

htc one x is much better than nokia lumia
android winner!

op-war said:
htc one x is much better than nokia lumia
android winner!
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It Depends

Honestly I don't really like the One X. Tegra is 100% marketing crap. it's ridiculous that you have to deal with a browser forced to suck due to the stupid companion core that doesn't let the quad core goodness kick in. To me the One S is a much better phone: it's more pocketable, it has a good S4 SOC doing its job flawlessly (and smoking Tegra pretty much everywhere). The One X is such a waste. Also, I really don't get why pretty much every OEM is pushing for making bigger and bigger screens month after month. Nowadays if you wanna have a phone with good internals you have to carry a ****ing tablet in your pocket, everything else is "mid range". Honestly the GS2 was already too big for me. I'm pretty sure at some point I'll be forced to use an iPhone because everything else will be too big for my pockets. I really hope that at least on WP I'll still be able to find some decently specced device with a 4" screen in the future, I really don't like where the market is heading. By the way, the 900 is way too big and heavy for my taste. I'm 174 cm tall and I wear relatively skinny jeans, I'd look like a moron carrying something like that around in a pocket, not to mention that I'll drop it make it look like crap it in a couple days. And no, I'm not gonna go out with some kind of waist pack like a douchebag. Sorry but a 4.3"+ inchers aren't gonna be mainstream, I can't see girls carrying around a 5" iPhone in the nearest future. Nerds will have to deal with it at some point, a phone is still a phone. Just my 2 cents.

Lumia 900 aint bad, it's just android is far better in terms of user control. It's understandable why you don't like android, it has a learning curve, but heck, once you start tweaking your phone, mastering it... god it's so much damn fun you'll do it just for the sake of tweaking it more and more. AND every tweak will make your phone faster and better than it is as a stock phone.

Android OS better , so HTC One is better .

I have both, but Lumia is going on sale. too limited for now IMO and seeing how good performance is on my X, i wont miss WP7 smoothness ATM. Also, my Lumia never gets close to the LTE speeds my X (and last phone, Vivid) get. My One X gets around 22-30mbps and lumia averages at 5-8mbps... No clue why. Lumia feels more solid though and like the weight of it
Im sure ill look at next gen WP8 phones from Nokia later on, but I rather have everything I need now rather than wait for something better having a somewhat limited feel with my phone
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

Zorigo said:
Lumia 900 aint bad, it's just android is far better in terms of user control. It's understandable why you don't like android, it has a learning curve, but heck, once you start tweaking your phone, mastering it... god it's so much damn fun you'll do it just for the sake of tweaking it more and more. AND every tweak will make your phone faster and better than it is as a stock phone.
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went through that phase, I was crack-flashing roms and kernels just to create the smoothest experience possible. Then, I tried wp7 and it was smoother than anything android could produce out of the box.

Half the guy mustache is missing. Lol.
Too bad the OS is hampering the Lumia camera back.
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2

mido hamdy said:
Android OS better , so HTC One is better .
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That is debatable

mido hamdy said:
Android OS better , so HTC One is better .
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Flawless logic is flawless
Sent from my Lumia 800 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

The software/hardware conflict with the camera is sad, but not as bad as the conflict with every android phone and the general UI of it all. I'll take a camera that's a bit grainy in the dark over lag and instability any day.

Your opinion you're entitled to it, no matter how wrong you are.
Nice troll attempt though.
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2

No troll attempt, it's very visible and even noted by the reviewer in HTC's knew favored phone.

vnvman said:
Honestly I don't really like the One X. Tegra is 100% marketing crap. it's ridiculous that you have to deal with a browser forced to suck due to the stupid companion core that doesn't let the quad core goodness kick in. To me the One S is a much better phone: it's more pocketable, it has a good S4 SOC doing its job flawlessly (and smoking Tegra pretty much everywhere). The One X is such a waste. Also, I really don't get why pretty much every OEM is pushing for making bigger and bigger screens month after month. Nowadays if you wanna have a phone with good internals you have to carry a ****ing tablet in your pocket, everything else is "mid range". Honestly the GS2 was already too big for me. I'm pretty sure at some point I'll be forced to use an iPhone because everything else will be too big for my pockets. I really hope that at least on WP I'll still be able to find some decently specced device with a 4" screen in the future, I really don't like where the market is heading. By the way, the 900 is way too big and heavy for my taste. I'm 174 cm tall and I wear relatively skinny jeans, I'd look like a moron carrying something like that around in a pocket, not to mention that I'll drop it make it look like crap it in a couple days. And no, I'm not gonna go out with some kind of waist pack like a douchebag. Sorry but a 4.3"+ inchers aren't gonna be mainstream, I can't see girls carrying around a 5" iPhone in the nearest future. Nerds will have to deal with it at some point, a phone is still a phone. Just my 2 cents.
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Hey I love that everything looks way better on that 5" screen but l feel it looks ridiculous when you're holding it up to your ear while on a call. And a 3.5" screen is way too small to do anything other than make calls and sms. 4.3 is perfect for me. But it does look like 4.3+ is going mainstream now. And I thought girls wouldn't buy them either, but in the last few days I've seen 2 women holding Notes. So hey, no need to worry fellow nerds ;-)
Sent from my A500 using XDA

Spread the good word of our oneS

I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app

Roundtableprez said:
I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app
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What's so amazing about this phone?

louis.b said:
What's so amazing about this phone?
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
Fastest android mobile currently
IMO sense V4
Regarding the first post, developers won't go by "user reviews" on shop sites, they will look into all the hardware detail and kernel source/drivers/software stuff etc. and if they like what they see then they will buy it.

Terminator19 said:
Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
Terminator19 said:
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
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Agreed, and now that they seem to have done something about the metal arc oxidation issues its build quality is great.
Terminator19 said:
Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
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Yes, yes and yes, the Beats gimmick aside the regular audio output is of very good quality as GSMArena's measurements show. Camera is a delight to use, although the S3 version has a small buffer lag between shots. Battery life, surprisingly, seems to be very similar between the S3 and S4 models.
Terminator19 said:
Fastest android mobile currently
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The S4 version yes, the S3 version no.
IMO sense V4
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Yes, Sense 4 is really good, better than TouchWiz although I suspect most people on XDA prefer stock Android if it means faster updates
Personally, I think the One S was a really good phone when it launched, but the change to the S3 processor has changed my view of the model significantly; it is still a good phone for what it is but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.

louis.b said:
What's so amazing about this phone?
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Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.

I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c

kenyw said:
Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
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And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
kenyw said:
but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.
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Completely agree about that with regards to the S3 version.
Regarding the battery and speed, I thought it was the other way round (in real world usage), battery much worse and performance isn't as good but for standard usage like games etc. there isn't a huge difference.
Doesn't help when no one has posted any info. on the battery of the S3 though i.e. screen shots and detailed info..........

jmcdonald58 said:
I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c
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^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.

matt310 said:
^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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Recoveries come from our local friendly developers if your recovery is a mess contact them it is no way htcs fault. I love this phone despite no s-off. And that's okay for me lol we will steal it from the Onex one day lol.
For the new radios and your crackling problem, most unlocked android devices have this issue when you unlock them I have a sidekick 4g on att right now and this on tmob and there is a compareable difference
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I absolutely love this device. I had the choice between the one s and the s3 and chose this one and am really pleased. It fits my hands perfectly and outperforms most devices. The battery life is unparalleled. I average 4 to 6 hours on screen time while some friends with s3's only get 2 hours with power saving on. The lack of s off is little annoying but not that big of a deal for me since my hboot is so low. As for the people spreading negative reviews in hopes to "teach HTC a lessons" this is a horrible approach. Operation rolling thunder should be stopped!!
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Terminator19 said:
And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
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Just wanted to mention that on Tuesday 11/09/2012 i received my nice new htc one s from talktalk.co.uk ( run on vodafone network) and it is a Z560e model (Ville C aka S3) version, personally i am not to bothered but figured worth mention for anyone who maybe intrested in UK

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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.

My One S
My S one is about 5 months old. After years as a Nokia fan-boy I finally gave in and reluctantly jumped ship. So I was presented with a problem: Which phone do I get. I won't be taking up a place in a queue for the new iPhone 5 with the iSheep - as a Ubuntu user getting an android was a no-brainer. I chose the One S because 1/ it wasn't Samsung (my personal prejudice) 2/ the One X was slightly too big for my taste.
I know Nokia missed a very big boat by sticking with Symbian for so long, but on a personal level I was happy because I know them inside out I can mod them easily and enjoyed playing about with them despite the limitations. In fact the limitations made it more of a challenge and more interesting.Eventually the lack of progress Symbian was making, combined with the fact that Nokia jumped in to bed with Micros*#t forced my hand. So to be honest, I waited for T-Mobile to deliver my One S with very little enthusiasm. That's changed. I love my One S.
So as it's my first Android I can't say its any better or worse than a Galaxy III, a WildFire or a Nexus. I do know that I am very happy with it. On the hardware side I am happy about the lovely big screen, the slim casing and the nice finish. I am very happy with the processor speed and flawless screen refresh. Battery life could be better, but I will never be happy with battery life. Software wise, I am happy that there are people out there making ROMs which while flawed are keeping me very busy and making me feel like I have a new phone every week or so. I am happy that I have a JB based ROM while HTC has yet to release the "official" JB for the One S.
Which is all a long winded way of saying I love it.

avetny said:
? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.
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Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
matt310 said:
Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!

Terminator19 said:
Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!
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Closed Source Project said:
Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.
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Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.

laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.

pookipsy said:
laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.
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Biased? lol yeah right I dont even own those phones. And to say that sense 4.0 is smoother than Touchcrap 4.0 and iOS5 is just outright lying. Yes it's smoother than sense 3.0 but it's still laggy and I have been following the One X long enough to know that A LOT OF people complain about how laggy sense 4.0 was.
And FYI people dont ask about HTC not because HTC doesnt advertise enough. As a matter of fact a lot people know about them. They just dont buy them because HTC has the reputation of making buggy phones. And as a former owner of 2 HTC phones I cant say I disagree.

louis.b said:
Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.
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You got an S3, didn't you? I'm sorry about that and have been quite out-spoken about HTC's idiotic behavior regarding other countries, but the S4 One S is a great piece of machinery.

I have never had on hands experience with the S3 version so can't comment on it, however, when I have had my S4 one S side by side with the GS 3 (quad) and the 4s, the one S has been quicker/snappier/instant smartphone and the GS 3 appears smoother overall, although this is largely down to the animations and the animation scaling used, when JB arrives on both phones there should be no difference at all then really, in terms of smoothness.
I have found the 4s/4 to be laggy in quite a few places personally and not as silky smooth as what many people make it out to be.
Also, the one X hardware (tegra 3) was very poorly optimized with sense/ICS, when the mobile was first released, it was so laggy and nowhere as instant as the one S (S4), since the last update it has improved somewhat, however, still not as good as the S (S4) and GS 3, with JB it should be much better as the nexus 7 has the exact same hardware and it is smoother and faster than both the GS 3 and S, of course assuming HTC don't **** up with driver optimisation on sense Vxx whatever it will be with JB.
Regarding why people don't get HTC handsets, yes for some reason people seem to think they're an awful company with poor phones, I would have agreed with some of their phones (largely the desire HD, IMO their worst phone), however, most of their phones (especially the one series) are actually very good and out of the people I know who have a HTC android device have been very happy with theirs and not had any problems (a lot of people absolutely love sense, the homescreen and widgets impresses the "average joes" a lot). And it does largely come down to marketing/brand in the end, as in the UK here, the majority of ads that I see on TV, posters on bus stops etc. is for the GS 3, iphone, GS 2, galaxy ACE & Ace 2 (the Ace mobiles are bundled with very good network deals though, the ads aren't actually for the phones themselves) along with a few for the one X and virtually no ads at all for the one S (still have not seen a single ad on TV for the one S), people automatically recognise the GS 3 and iphones where as with the likes of HTC phones people aren't sure about them and automatically think they aren't good since they never heard of them.
It is a shame because HTC did start the "empire" of android with the hero, desire and nexus one, dread to think where android would be now if it weren't for them.

Worst phone in my entire life

This is hands down the worst phone that I have ever owned in my entire life. There are tons of
1) Biggest problem is definitely the home button. This alone makes the phone totally unusable. Want to use the GPS while driving? Well forget about cause you are going to get in to a car crash trying to set everything right with this home button thing going on.
2) randomly says I don't have a sim card while I haven't touch my simcard at all. And I only find out about this when I check my phone and by then I could have been unavailable for a couple hours. Well whats the point of a mobile phone then if you aren't always available. This is btw not a rom issue
3) Battery. I never get more then 1-2 hours of screen time on a 14 hour stretch. The iphone 5 gets 8 hours of browsing time.
4) Can't hear my phone ringing while out in public. The speaker is just pathetic.
5) paint problem of the black htc one s. Come on man. In the end I just sanded everything down. But that makes those cheap plastic bits stand out. Not to mention all the dust and gunk thats building up around and under these plastic bits. I can't see the LED light either unless I am viewing it directly from above. The design just isn't there. Although samsung isn't better either in that department. But the iphone just does it right.
7) Rom development sucks but I have no choice because sense sucks even harder.
It is unbelievable that HTC just can't get the elementary things right. My phone is totally unusable and it has been a miracle that I have surved this past 5 months on this POS. HTC lost a customer. I wasted 500 euro on this POS.

Sorry for thay. So what phone u got now?
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i have none of those problems, go get an iphone and be happy

Well I am probably going to get the iphone 5. Which I actually don't really want to do because its just expensive and its not really going to be a major upgrade compared to the HTC one S in terms of speed and the apps I use and even the screen.
But what choice do I have?

Well since i love Samsung i suggest u choose Samsung Galaxy Note 2 or SIII... Its less than the iPhone 5 but more function... Since u mention function.... These phone are the best... Well if u like iPhone application then choose iPhone.. But i suggest Samsung SIII or Galaxy Note2
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You give of about the black model chipping etc. well the iphone 5 is no better, has the exact same problem, in fact probably worse.
I have not encountered any of those issues that you have mentioned, my black phone (older design) is still in perfect condition apart from the USB port area, easily the best battery life currently (4-6 hours on screen time [manual control] spread across 1-3 days usually), only phone to top it is the iphone 5, although iOS does no more as much as android i.e. the multi-tasking and the hardware is more power efficient and the software/drivers are better optimized.
I do agree with you on the NLED though.
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Just noticed who the OP is........ *sigh*
Move onto the iphone already for god sake, you moan and moan and moan about the phone all the time and keep going on about how iphone better etc. as I told you before sell the one S and get yourself an iphone, such a simple solution........
BTW, fed up with the ROM development? Then educate yourself and you go and make a better ROM then!
TBH starting to think you are just one big troll.

Oh god not you again.
Sell your phone and get an iPhone. It's clear you're an iSheep so flock with the crowd.
You have opened numerous threads, moaning and complaining your iPhone is better, so for the better good of the earth, save yourself the typing and get an iPhone.
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carlos_abril_94 said:
i have none of those problems, go get an iphone and be happy
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I have also not encountered any of these problems. In fact, i'd say the HTC one S is the best phone ive ever owned. I find android superior to ios in many ways. Just my opinion.

Soo if you're disappointed with the development on the 1S, wait until you see how many options you have with the iPhone .
I personally have never had any of those issues, and while I come from an HD2 which probably had the most rom options of any phone, I find that we at least have quality over quantity. TrickDroid, Viper, Energy, and oh a little thing called OFFICIAL CM10! Thanks I'll subdue my flashaholic ways of the past for a great stable Rom with lots of cool features.
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Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway

Go away troll!
no one is being a fanboy, we are just fed up with your stupid BS you keep spreading every month in a new thread despite being proven wrong with many people saying they don't have these problems.........
You experience these issues with some others, however, once again just because you and some other people experience these issues does not mean that everyone also has the same problems. People only ever report the bad stuff, hardly ever the good stuff.
I can show you videos, photos of my mobile (and I already have shown you plenty of battery screenshots with detailed usage), but it doesn't matter because you will still go on and on about how this phone sucks, how iphone is better blah blah, followed by more diarrhea from your mouth.
I have no problem with battery, touch button issue, volume/speakers/headphones (get better headphones!), what bugs in the software? My signal is more or less perfect as well as wifi connection, unibody design as I said no marks on mine apart from USB port.
Once again, why do you not sell the one S, all you do is moan and complain about it, sell and buy something else? Why is that so hard to do?
BTW do you honestly think people would keep a phone if they experienced that touch button issue? No matter how much of a fanboy someone is, they won't put up with that ****. I for one wouldn't so why would be denying this issue as well as the others?
You don't like the support, then you do something to improve it or better yet, move to a phone that has got better support i.e. nexus, GS 3 etc.

wilcoholic said:
Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway
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"The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing." Troll much? I don't own a One S but i saw this post as i was scrolling down to the One X section and i must say you are a pathetic troll, as far as i know only the One S has a dual core Krait, the one with the quad core is the One X and i believe someone who is at XDA and knows about Custom Roms at least know what processor their phone has.

I can't stop checking this thread. It's like slowing down on the freeway to see a car accident. I have never, in my life, hated a product so much that I just vent and vent and vent without doing something about it. Based on my recent experience as a new parent, I'd say someone needs a new diaper, a nap and a nice shiny anodized (please ignore the chips and dents) iPhone pacifier.

People will always complain, WE know our device is a great fully functional device
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Haha I recently purchased the HOS but I definitely do not have any of the issues mentioned on the forum.
I mean okay, in reality, if people are content with their product, they usually won't need to ask questions or post help threads until necessary which is when their phone malfunctions or encounters a problem. So I'm guessing there are actually more happy owners out there in comparison with owners with issues.
AND. although I wish the development on this phone was better, I can't really complain as it has everything I both need or want (well battery life can always be better).

vcrp94 said:
"The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing." Troll much? I don't own a One S but i saw this post as i was scrolling down to the One X section and i must say you are a pathetic troll, as far as i know only the One S has a dual core Krait, the one with the quad core is the One X and i believe someone who is at XDA and knows about Custom Roms at least know what processor their phone has.
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I wasn't talking about the ONE S! I mentioned quad cores cause that sounds infinitely more next gen and awesome and futuristic then a measly dual core. It was to make a point. CPUs nowadays don't matter cause I can't tell the difference between the last gen CPU's (Nexus S, iphone4s) and current CPU's (a6, s4 krait, quad cores from nvidea and samsung) in day to day usages.
Where did I say that the One S has a quad core? You just went full retard!

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Haha I recently purchased the HOS but I definitely do not have any of the issues mentioned on the forum.
I mean okay, in reality, if people are content with their product, they usually won't need to ask questions or post help threads until necessary which is when their phone malfunctions or encounters a problem. So I'm guessing there are actually more happy owners out there in comparison with owners with issues.
AND. although I wish the development on this phone was better, I can't really complain as it has everything I both need or want (well battery life can always be better).
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Yea most of the complainers are really just a small bunch compared to the ones who actually are content, I only rooted mine out of boredom (boredom in life not with the phone lol) otherwise I would've been fine with it out of the box, why? Because mine had no problems, all the problems came after flashing roms and what not but that risk I was willing to take and I'm still left with a flawless device
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I had too had problems with the one S, but I will NEVER swap it with iPhone garbage. The one S has options of customizations. iPhone doesn't. I think speak for everyone when I say being locked into iTunes just sucks!

You know what makes a troll go away? When you ignore them. Please, don't feed the troll. It's better this way...

wilcoholic said:
Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway
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I have four of these phones, for my mom, my sister, my niece and me plus i have 3 friends who have this phone and none of us ever seen this home button issue. I just hope it's not something that starts up after a while of using it.