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Samsung Captivate vs HTC Desire ... help me decide

Hey guys,
As the battery on my HTC Diamond is dying, I'm in the market for a new phone, and I am down to either htc Desire or Samsung Captivate ...
Why HTC Desire?
- Love HTC phones, my last 4 phones were all HTC's
- Love Sense, hate TouchWhiz
- Slightly smaller, so it would fit a little better in jeans pocket
- Availability of development and cooked ROMs
- Captivate seems to be somewhat buggy? With self shutdown problems, GPS can't lock and alarm won't pop up / go off ... little quirks.
Why Captivate?
- S-AMOLED screen is the best screen available now
- Hummingbird > Snapdragon
- 4.0" screen is better than 3.7"
- Have concern about Desire's battery life ... vastly disappointed with Diamond's battery though I know 1400mAh > 900, but many people still complain about Desire's battery life
- Captivate seems to be better at video playback, smoother, more vivid colour
- Captivate seems to be snappier with web browsing
What do you guys think? Anything else I should know about these phones?
Like I said, the biggest appeal of the Desire is Sense ... I think it's a great UI and I'm almost temped to pick the phone just for its UI. That said, I have concern about Desire's battery life. The Captivate's S-AMOLED screen is also something you fall in love with.
Any suggestion or advices is welcome!

Motorola Atrix.
Sent from my Captivate.

number16 said:
Hey guys,
As the battery on my HTC Diamond is dying, I'm in the market for a new phone, and I am down to either htc Desire or Samsung Captivate ...
Why HTC Desire?
- Love HTC phones, my last 4 phones were all HTC's
- Love Sense, hate TouchWhiz
- Slightly smaller, so it would fit a little better in jeans pocket
- Availability of development and cooked ROMs
- Captivate seems to be somewhat buggy? With self shutdown problems, GPS can't lock and alarm won't pop up / go off ... little quirks.
Why Captivate?
- S-AMOLED screen is the best screen available now
- Hummingbird > Snapdragon
- 4.0" screen is better than 3.7"
- Have concern about Desire's battery life ... vastly disappointed with Diamond's battery though I know 1400mAh > 900, but many people still complain about Desire's battery life
- Captivate seems to be better at video playback, smoother, more vivid colour
- Captivate seems to be snappier with web browsing
What do you guys think? Anything else I should know about these phones?
Like I said, the biggest appeal of the Desire is Sense ... I think it's a great UI and I'm almost temped to pick the phone just for its UI. That said, I have concern about Desire's battery life. The Captivate's S-AMOLED screen is also something you fall in love with.
Any suggestion or advices is welcome!
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what ever you do, if you want your phone to run the latest software, have a gps working, lagless UI, do not, I REPEAT, DO NOT BUY A SAMSUNG PHONE
get a desire or wait for the motorola atrix

If you do buy the Captivate, make sure you get the newest hardware build which is 1012 I believe?
Either way it has the gps, shutdown issues fixed.
I've never heard about the alarm issue.

I don't recommend samsung smartphones. worst manufacturer when it comes to upgrading latest android updates.
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Thanks guys ... from the sound of it, despite superior hardware the Captivate is pretty buggy and there are plenty of small little quirks? (I don't call occasional self power-down as "small" quick neither)

number16 said:
Thanks guys ... from the sound of it, despite superior hardware the Captivate is pretty buggy and there are plenty of small little quirks? (I don't call occasional self power-down as "small" quick neither)
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Before you make a final decision, I suggest you ask this exact same question (if you havent already) on the HTC Desire forums and see what they say. Right now, many people on the captivate forums are frustrated with the lack of official updates, gps issues, shutdown issues, etc and will point out the negative aspects of this device. People who are frustrated tend to speak "louder" than people who are happy, its just human nature.
See what responses you get from the HTC Desire forums, research what people have been saying about it, go to the store and play with both, then make a decision.
I too am frustrated with the Captivate at times and even my girlfriends HTC Aria looks better and better.

gormander said:
Before you make a final decision, I suggest you ask this exact same question (if you havent already) on the HTC Desire forums and see what they say. Right now, many people on the captivate forums are frustrated with the lack of official updates, gps issues, shutdown issues, etc and will point out the negative aspects of this device. People who are frustrated tend to speak "louder" than people who are happy, its just human nature.
See what responses you get from the HTC Desire forums, research what people have been saying about it, go to the store and play with both, then make a decision.
I too am frustrated with the Captivate at times and even my girlfriends HTC Aria looks better and better.
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But looks like the GPS and shutdown issues are fixed in newer captivates.
But wait for 2 months. Couple better phones are "currently" set to be released by end of first quarter.

Thanks! Yes, I do have a similar thread over at the Desire forum (nobody's posted to it yet ... either it means there's no serious issue or it's a phone people have kindda lost interest in? )
I do believe in general, htc phones are free of major problems. I'm on my 4th htc phone and I've been pretty happy with each of them ... except maybe the battery life.
It's just Galaxy S has a GREAT screen (I think it's the best screen available today, bar none) that I started considering it.

If you are planing on flashing roms I think the better hardware wins in the long run.

I agree I would check out the Moto forums sense some think the 1.2ghz Processor is worth moto putting in a locked bootloader so might be a long while till you see any roms for it if at all

I agree better hardware wins in the long run, and I do plan to flash with cooked ROMs ... that said, I do want a phone that's reasonably bug-free in the meantime. I don't know when Samsung can iron out its problems, and that also has an impact on cooked ROM's.
I think the new dual core processors are interesting, but my budget won't allow me to get one of the newest phones. I think given my budget, my best choices are the Desire and the Captivate.

number16 said:
I agree better hardware wins in the long run, and I do plan to flash with cooked ROMs ... that said, I do want a phone that's reasonably bug-free in the meantime. I don't know when Samsung can iron out its problems, and that also has an impact on cooked ROM's.
I think the new dual core processors are interesting, but my budget won't allow me to get one of the newest phones. I think given my budget, my best choices are the Desire and the Captivate.
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To tell the truth the Desire HD is my next device unless HTC comes out with something before I get the cash together. When it comes to PPC I have learned that now that while hardware is great samsung just doesnt have the CS that I would like and Motorola tries everything they can to lock up the bootloader to prevent custom roms.

I am somewhat of a noob when it comes to flashing roms. I do work in IT though and love messing around with gadgets. I just want to say I love my captivate. The gps does take a while to lock, but once it locks it works fine. I have no shutdown issues. I'm running Perception 10.1 with the Firebird 2 kernel and it rocks. Videos do look crisp on this phone as well. I have no experience with the Desire, but I bought a refurb Captivate and I am very happy with it.

MikeyMike01 said:
Motorola Atrix.
Sent from my Captivate.
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Not so fast, as much as i love the specs on the atrix looks like motorola will be locking the bootloader damn shame.

Just get the nexus S when it comes out. I have a captivate and have no problems with it, very fasy, great screen and best thing.... got all my iphone freinds jelous lol
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Vik_92_Sandhu said:
Just get the nexus S when it comes out. I have a captivate and have no problems with it, very fasy, great screen and best thing.... got all my iphone freinds jelous lol
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Isn't Nexus S already out since last November?

Love my Captivate
Well, i have the Captivate since October and I guess I have been one of the lucky ones because it works great for me. Shortly after I got the phone an update came out and fixed the GPS issue. I use it quite a lot and I have not rooted or updated the ROM a of yet. I have been waiting for Froyo as we all have but the phone does everything i want it to do and more.
I also came from the HTC world, my last phone was an HTC Fuze. I am so glad that I got this phone. Battery life is rather low but overall I just keep a charger around with me and in the car. My phone does a lot. I use it every other day as a GPS when I bike ride 5-10 miles a day. When in the car I stream music with either Pandora or Audiogalaxy. I send text and email messages regularly. Browse the Web and read my Kindle books as well as my Bible.
Just remember if you are going to use the phone a lot you are going to need to have the ability to charge it more often.
It is rather frustrating that AT&T has not released FROYO and that the battery life is not as good as some other phones but for me the pluses out way the minuses.
My brother owned an iPhone 4 an after seeing how my phone worked and looked he bought a Captivate for about $275. He was tired of the dropped calls and smaller screen and just overall functionality. He has been using the iPhone type phones for about 3 years. He has only had it for about 3 days and is loving it!!!
So whether you should buy the Captivate or not you really need to make the choice yourself. Every phone is going to have an issue one way or another. The question is can you live with those issues. Change is always hard and uncomfortable. But in the end you have to make that decision.
Someone suggested that you may want to hold off as the newer phones are on the horizon. That may not be a bad idea. In the end, remember, it is just a phone!!! Most of the heavy lifting is going to be done on your PC!!!
Good luck!!!

I'd say go captivate.
I have the i896 and the gps works perfectly, locks on in about ten seconds or less. I haven't had any problems with random shut downs or my alarm. As for the updates, as long as you are capable of rooting and installing custom roms you'll have 'updates' asap.
Regarding the screen it's absolutely no comparison; I'd say that's enough to buy the phone.
Again, there's no comparison between the hummingbird and the last gen snapdragon, especially with custom roms/kernals this phone demolishes the desire. Me and a friends have done some speed tests with my captivate with phoenix rom, and desire with a custom rom (can't remember the name, wasn't oc though) and in about every test we did the captivate was the winner.
My major complaint with this phone is the build quality, it feels kind of flimsy, especially compared to htc.

peachpuff said:
Not so fast, as much as i love the specs on the atrix looks like motorola will be locking the bootloader damn shame.
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Looks like motorola is backtracking a bit on that bootloader comment.

Captivate to Inspire to Atrix to Inspire... and Im back on the Captivate!

Well, after 3 weeks of trying the Inspire and Atrix, at the end of the day I am back on the Captivate! I think the AT&T store are sick of me becuase I got the Inspire then returned it for the Atrix, then returned the Atrix for the Inspire. Why? Sound quality, video quality, size, screen quality, buttons and ease of use.
So thats my 2c.
It is interesting to see how many people also own, or have all, all three devices.
Note that my Captivate has a custom ROM.

Lol, As much as people diss the captivate it's hard to find another android phone that can match it.

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Do all your reason apply to both the Atrix and the Inspire?

mechanical tool said:
Do all your reason apply to both the Atrix and the Inspire?
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I returned the Inspire because of all of those reasons, but the Atrix had even more problems than that.

I had the atrix...it may be better on paper but I'll stick with the captivate

You guys are all smoking bad crack. The captivate blows. Down with samsung
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I got my Atrix, and no way am I going back to my Captivate full time... I'll miss the Captivate's screen, but in the end, the Atrix is a superior phone. Just waiting for my unlock code now so I can actually use it on my carrier, but damn, its insanely fast! Still keeping my Captivate for backup purposes and to satisfy my flashing addiction.
One thing I wish manufacturers would include, dual sim slots... Then I wouldn't need 2 separate phones, one for home and one for work... Seems simple enough and wouldn't be very costly to add, considering all the cheap Chinese knockoff phones come with dual and even triple (dual GSM and a single CDMA) sim slots which all work simultaneously.
Other than that and the inferior screen compared to the Captivate, it's pretty hard to complain about the Atrix, I hope the devs get around the bootloader or Motorola finally caves in and decides to let us unlock it if we chose to (like the Xoom), but I won't complain if it doesn't happen... I can get rid of the stock launcher easily and replace it with Launcher Pro Plus, Zeam or ADW, which is really my only complaint about Blur. I'm happy it doesn't include Gingerbread yet, as it's still quite buggy and really doesn't offer much over Froyo anyways... Besides, that leaves at least 1 update that will arrive soonish where Motorola may throw in the bootloader unlock if people complain enough. ... Of course I won't be holding my breath, but it would be nice.
Overall, I'm happy with my purchase, I'll put it through more rigorous testing in the coming weeks after I get my unlock code, I'm sure it'll perform just fine though.

I went into the store to play with the Atrix...To be honext it is an nice speedy phone. BUT with a custom rom (paragon 6.0) I did not really notice that much speed difference. I enjoy the captivate's screen MUCH more than the Atrix. Benchmarks I have seen, in some cases the Galaxy S comes out over the Atrix. I am sure when dual core is optimized via the o/s that will change, but for now...I am sticking with the captivate. I know many are down on Samsung, but i must say a Galaxy S 2 with the tegra 2 looks very tasty to me...

gandalf21502 said:
I went into the store to play with the Atrix...To be honext it is an nice speedy phone. BUT with a custom rom (paragon 6.0) I did not really notice that much speed difference. I enjoy the captivate's screen MUCH more than the Atrix. Benchmarks I have seen, in some cases the Galaxy S comes out over the Atrix. I am sure when dual core is optimized via the o/s that will change, but for now...I am sticking with the captivate. I know many are down on Samsung, but i must say a Galaxy S 2 with the tegra 2 looks very tasty to me...
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I'd be all over the Galaxy S 2 if it still had a 4" screen (and possibly a higher resolution), but the 4.3" screen is the deal breaker for me. Yes, I realize that the screen's quality is far superior to the Atrix's, but when all things are considered, the Atrix makes up for it in raw specs and awesome accessories...
The Captivate is already huge for a phone (in my opinion), I can't imagine using anything bigger than that. Thickness isn't a big concern for me (I don't see why people are so obsessed with how thin phones are, a mm or 2 really doesn't make a huge difference... But meh, to each his/her own), but the overall height and width is what really bothers me, at 125mm (~5"), it's huge compared to the Atrix's 117mm (~4.5") or even the Captivate's 121mm (~4.7")...
I'm more interested to see how well Samsung's dual core Exynos processor performs than the Tegra 2 on the Galaxy S 2, knowing how snappy the Hummingbird currently is and how long it kept the performance crown, I have no doubts that the Exynos will be able to hold its own against, and possibly even beat the Tegra 2.
And yes, I completely agree, until we see some optimizations in the OS and apps for dual core SOCs, there really won't be a huge difference between single and dual cores in terms of performance... Thankfully, Tegra 2 optimized apps and games are starting to pop up on the Market, so it's only a matter of time. Benchmarks really aren't a good way to measure performance between single and dual cores, they're not very accurate with single cores either (they vary greatly between different kernels, yet real world performance remains the same), so I take synthetic benchmark results with a grain of salt.
Either way, dual cores are still very much in their infancy, it can only get better from here, and if past phones are any indication, we're in for a hell of a year in terms of Android goodness.

Well I have played with an Evo, 4.3 inch screen, and I can handle it pretty nicely in my hands. I can't imagine much bigger though for a phone myself.
Phones and basically netbooks now. Not quite up to the power a laptop, but soon that will change. I do like the docks for the Atrix, but do not really want to pay $500 for it. I can get a good laptop for the price now. I want portable power in a small package.
I would say that the tegra will have a slight advantage only on the fact that there will be more software optimized to run on it most likely. Nvida is a big company imop that leads the pc gpu market.
Certainly going to be a GREAT YEAR for 'smartphones'...(almost think the name needs to change soon...

I have the captivate and nexus one right now, had the Atrix when it came out but took it back.
now I only use the Captivare to either play games or as a backup if the Nexus 1 dies on me.

Played with an atrix. Couldn't find a justification to buy it. Not very impressive. Liked the inspire more, but still not enough to give up the captivate
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Krad said:
You guys are all smoking bad crack. The captivate blows. Down with samsung
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it blows so much you have to spend time in our forum instead of the streaks...oh wait there isn't much to see in the streak forum is there

ekerbuddyeker said:
Well, after 3 weeks of trying the Inspire and Atrix, at the end of the day I am back on the Captivate! I think the AT&T store are sick of me becuase I got the Inspire then returned it for the Atrix, then returned the Atrix for the Inspire. Why? Sound quality, video quality, size, screen quality, buttons and ease of use.
So thats my 2c.
It is interesting to see how many people also own, or have all, all three devices.
Note that my Captivate has a custom ROM.
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No wonder there are so many "refurbs" out there...
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i was going to get the Atrix because of the lapdock but i read its not very functional as for the trackpad and a bit too pricey. still happy with my cappy, good thing we have developers busy making our captivate better everyday, since at&t is too busy with the iphone

For the first 4 months, I hated it. For the next 2, I thought it was alright. Since then it grew on me.

MikeyMike01 said:
For the first 4 months, I hated it. For the next 2, I thought it was alright. Since then it grew on me.
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Mikey, that was almost complimentary. You must be in a good mood for a change.

there are so many of these threads and soo many people have things they like about the captivate over there other phone. i messed with the atrix and like the webtop view but wish it did more than run firefox and web apps. it would be great if the phone view could be opened in multiple windows having all the active apps open at the same time if you wish but i guess you cant get everything. also a full text editor would be cool. i know it has office apps but a more desktop worthy app would be awesome in the webtop. but hearing that the inspire and atrix have lesser call quality makes me shy away from the atrix. the call quality is one of the best things about the captivate. plus the atrix does look a bit cheap with the back cover though i am gealous of the fingerprint reader and hdmi port.
now i want to put ubuntu on my phone so i can out do the atrix in the "hey my phone is a computer" catagory. my graphics benchmarks are already better. now we just need to find someone who can write a driver to get hdmi out from the usb port... hmmm i need to get my brother to stop playing wow, quit his night job and dev for android..

My friend bought and HD7, and as I played with it, the same charm the captivate had when I first saw it was pretty much non-existant. The Captivate is anything but perfect, but it is also anything but terrible. Oh, and it looks really bad ass too

My one complaint about this phone

Hey all, long time lurker, rare poster.
Before I go any further, let me just state that I absolutely LOVE my Infuse. I've never really trusted Samsung, seeing as how i've sold AT&T phones for the past 6 years and saw the horror stories and countless returns starting with the SGH-A707 (sync), the Blackjack, etc. But they have won me over with the Infuse. So far, i've not encountered any serious issues, except for on that I consider major/minor. Read on.
I bought the Infuse outright on launch day after having the Inspire since launch, I do have on thing that perplexes me about the Infuse (read my mini-comparison)
Screen:
- Infuse, hands down. Bigger, brighter, and overall just more enjoyable. Also the gorilla glass has been extremely more fingerprint/scuff resistant so far.
Battery life:
- Again, Infuse kills the Inspire. On my Inspire I would have to turn off all background data, and make sure I kept GPS/WiFi off to make it through the majority of the day, usually dying out at around 6:00pm if i took it off charger at 8:00am. With the Infuse, I can take it off the charger at 8:00am and still have ~40% left at 12:30am the next day even with leaving GPS/WiFi on (I work 4-12:30 shift, and my desk doesn't have an outlet nearby, so this is crucial).
Audio quality:
- Infuse wins again. My Infuse is LOUD. I can actually show a friend a Youtube video without having to just put the speaker to his ear so he can hear it. Calls come in loud and crisp as well, I haven't used speakerphone yet, but I would assume it would be the same.
Build quality:
- Inspire. I'm sure everyone has read the same thing, how the Infuse feels kind of cheap. It's not horrible, but for at $500+ device I would expect a little more. It's not a dealbreaker by any means, and I don't think that if I drop it it would break, but I definitely bought the Ballistic SG case to make it feel a little bit more.. Substantial. The metal body on the Inspire oozed class and quality, in comparison.
Camera:
- Infuse, especially indoors. I will give the Inspire this: If you're outdoors with absolutely perfect lighting, the Inspire takes some of the best pictures from a phone I have ever seen, including the iPhone 4 (which I still think has the best still/video quality on any phone available from any carrier in the US). But the second it becomes cloudy/overcast the Inspire's quality drops from about an 8.5 to a 6, and that's being generous. Go indoors with the Inspire? Fagettabouit. The Infuse takes amazingly crisp pictures outside, regardless of whether or not it's Sunny/Cloudy/Overcast, but even my pictures indoors come out usable. Big ups to Samsung on that. Not many phones are able to do that!
Speed:
- Unfortunately, this is where my "one complaint" about the Infuse is. My Inspire was quick. Blazingly fast, if you may, despite only utilizing a 1GHz processor. Even though the Infuse should theoretically be even faster with it's 1.2GHz Snapdragon processor, it's not. That's not to say that it's "slow" or anything, in fact, when browsing through menus/switching between applications I rarely see any lag at all. Where it's really noticeable to me, is in the web browser. Flash videos that played flawlessly on my Inspire have a good bit of stutter/frame skipping on the Infuse, sometimes pages don't correctly format for 10+ seconds, even if it's a text only page. I even have less apps running/installed on my Infuse than I did on my Inspire. I've tried using alternate browsers to no avail. I know there was a guy trolling with this, comparing the Infuse to a Tegra 2 device (which is like comparing a Versa to a Mustang), but I'm not talking in comparison to a Tegra 2, I'm talking a current-gen 1.2GHz processor vs. a current-gen 1GHz processor. Yes, games like Let's Golf! 2, Asphalt 6, and Madden 11 ran a little smoother on my Inspire.
Now, with that being said:
- Is this a deal breaker? Of course not. I bought my Infuse wanting better battery life, better camera performance, better(bigger) screen, and better overall usability. The Infuse hits the mark on all of these aspects. The web browsing is a little worrisome as I used it to watch TV shows while on break at work, and it's not nearly as enjoyable as it was, but I'm going to assume that problem can be alleviated once custom roms start hitting and I can remove the touchwiz influence (Touchwiz doesn't bother me, but I'm sure bogs down the processor a little bit, so I'll remove it as soon as possible to install vanilla android, and maximize my phones potential).
I know it seems like I disliked my Inspire, but in all actuality it was one of the best smartphones that I've ever had, the Infuse is just that much better, IMO. It's truly an amazing phone.
Does anyone have any advice on how to speed up my flash player/web browsing performance?

HTC devices are more media centric meaning they will always play nice with media/flash.
as for your flash problem, im guessing you will have to wait liek you said to get rid of touchwiz.

Not calling you a moron or anything, but did you do the Flash 10.3 update? Also, in my dolphin HD browser, I check the option to keep flash running always, as opposed to "on demand." Try that if you haven't. I noticed the lag left as soon as I changed that option.

These types of threads (about browser performance) appear for every phone with a Hummingbird processor. For whatever reason, the Android browser just doesn't perform that well on Hummingbird processors. Samsung has made a lot of modifications to the browser to alieviate this problem (with checkerboarding being a side effect), but it's still not quite where it should be for a 1.2GHz processor. Many suggest trying Opera Mobile. Unlike Dolphin, Miren, etc., it uses a completely different engine that is said to perform much better on Hummingbird processors.

My infuse is quite a lot slower than my Thunderbolt unfortunately
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timmillah said:
Hey all, long time lurker, rare poster.
Before I go any further, let me just state that I absolutely LOVE my Infuse. I've never really trusted Samsung, seeing as how i've sold AT&T phones for the past 6 years and saw the horror stories and countless returns starting with the SGH-A707 (sync), the Blackjack, etc. But they have won me over with the Infuse. So far, i've not encountered any serious issues, except for on that I consider major/minor. Read on.
I bought the Infuse outright on launch day after having the Inspire since launch, I do have on thing that perplexes me about the Infuse (read my mini-comparison)
Screen:
- Infuse, hands down. Bigger, brighter, and overall just more enjoyable. Also the gorilla glass has been extremely more fingerprint/scuff resistant so far.
Battery life:
- Again, Infuse kills the Inspire. On my Inspire I would have to turn off all background data, and make sure I kept GPS/WiFi off to make it through the majority of the day, usually dying out at around 6:00pm if i took it off charger at 8:00am. With the Infuse, I can take it off the charger at 8:00am and still have ~40% left at 12:30am the next day even with leaving GPS/WiFi on (I work 4-12:30 shift, and my desk doesn't have an outlet nearby, so this is crucial).
Audio quality:
- Infuse wins again. My Infuse is LOUD. I can actually show a friend a Youtube video without having to just put the speaker to his ear so he can hear it. Calls come in loud and crisp as well, I haven't used speakerphone yet, but I would assume it would be the same.
Build quality:
- Inspire. I'm sure everyone has read the same thing, how the Infuse feels kind of cheap. It's not horrible, but for at $500+ device I would expect a little more. It's not a dealbreaker by any means, and I don't think that if I drop it it would break, but I definitely bought the Ballistic SG case to make it feel a little bit more.. Substantial. The metal body on the Inspire oozed class and quality, in comparison.
Camera:
- Infuse, especially indoors. I will give the Inspire this: If you're outdoors with absolutely perfect lighting, the Inspire takes some of the best pictures from a phone I have ever seen, including the iPhone 4 (which I still think has the best still/video quality on any phone available from any carrier in the US). But the second it becomes cloudy/overcast the Inspire's quality drops from about an 8.5 to a 6, and that's being generous. Go indoors with the Inspire? Fagettabouit. The Infuse takes amazingly crisp pictures outside, regardless of whether or not it's Sunny/Cloudy/Overcast, but even my pictures indoors come out usable. Big ups to Samsung on that. Not many phones are able to do that!
Speed:
- Unfortunately, this is where my "one complaint" about the Infuse is. My Inspire was quick. Blazingly fast, if you may, despite only utilizing a 1GHz processor. Even though the Infuse should theoretically be even faster with it's 1.2GHz Snapdragon processor, it's not. That's not to say that it's "slow" or anything, in fact, when browsing through menus/switching between applications I rarely see any lag at all. Where it's really noticeable to me, is in the web browser. Flash videos that played flawlessly on my Inspire have a good bit of stutter/frame skipping on the Infuse, sometimes pages don't correctly format for 10+ seconds, even if it's a text only page. I even have less apps running/installed on my Infuse than I did on my Inspire. I've tried using alternate browsers to no avail. I know there was a guy trolling with this, comparing the Infuse to a Tegra 2 device (which is like comparing a Versa to a Mustang), but I'm not talking in comparison to a Tegra 2, I'm talking a current-gen 1.2GHz processor vs. a current-gen 1GHz processor. Yes, games like Let's Golf! 2, Asphalt 6, and Madden 11 ran a little smoother on my Inspire.
Now, with that being said:
- Is this a deal breaker? Of course not. I bought my Infuse wanting better battery life, better camera performance, better(bigger) screen, and better overall usability. The Infuse hits the mark on all of these aspects. The web browsing is a little worrisome as I used it to watch TV shows while on break at work, and it's not nearly as enjoyable as it was, but I'm going to assume that problem can be alleviated once custom roms start hitting and I can remove the touchwiz influence (Touchwiz doesn't bother me, but I'm sure bogs down the processor a little bit, so I'll remove it as soon as possible to install vanilla android, and maximize my phones potential).
I know it seems like I disliked my Inspire, but in all actuality it was one of the best smartphones that I've ever had, the Infuse is just that much better, IMO. It's truly an amazing phone.
Does anyone have any advice on how to speed up my flash player/web browsing performance?
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I'm not having any flash issues. streetfire.net videos play perfect and in sync, my local news channels play great flash as well. just as well as my inspire. just way better picture lol

timmillah said:
Hey all, long time lurker, rare poster.
(I work 4-12:30 shift, and my desk doesn't have an outlet nearby, so this is crucial).
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Where do they sell phones til 12:30AM? Not trolling, just curious.
Speed:
- Unfortunately, this is where my "one complaint" about the Infuse is. My Inspire was quick. Blazingly fast, if you may, despite only utilizing a 1GHz processor. Even though the Infuse should theoretically be even faster with it's 1.2GHz Snapdragon processor, it's not.
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Not Snapdragon. Hummingbird. The same one that's in the Captivate, with the clock uprated to 1.2.
That's not to say that it's "slow" or anything, in fact, when browsing through menus/switching between applications I rarely see any lag at all. Where it's really noticeable to me, is in the web browser. Flash videos that played flawlessly on my Inspire have a good bit of stutter/frame skipping on the Infuse, sometimes pages don't correctly format for 10+ seconds, even if it's a text only page. I even have less apps running/installed on my Infuse than I did on my Inspire. I've tried using alternate browsers to no avail. I know there was a guy trolling with this, comparing the Infuse to a Tegra 2 device (which is like comparing a Versa to a Mustang), but I'm not talking in comparison to a Tegra 2, I'm talking a current-gen 1.2GHz processor vs. a current-gen 1GHz processor. Yes, games like Let's Golf! 2, Asphalt 6, and Madden 11 ran a little smoother on my Inspire.
Now, with that being said:
- Is this a deal breaker? Of course not. I bought my Infuse wanting better battery life, better camera performance, better(bigger) screen, and better overall usability. The Infuse hits the mark on all of these aspects. The web browsing is a little worrisome as I used it to watch TV shows while on break at work, and it's not nearly as enjoyable as it was, but I'm going to assume that problem can be alleviated once custom roms start hitting and I can remove the touchwiz influence
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The "Touchwiz Influence"? You're overestimating the impact of the launcher on web browsing experience quite a bit.
(Touchwiz doesn't bother me, but I'm sure bogs down the processor a little bit, so I'll remove it as soon as possible to install vanilla android, and maximize my phones potential).
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Huh? 'Vanilla android' never even really hit the Captivate because it's damn difficult to do with many device drivers etc. being closed source proprietary. You might be waiting a long time.
Does anyone have any advice on how to speed up my flash player/web browsing performance?
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I'm not sure if the Infuse is still using the goofy stock RFS filesystem that all the other AT&T Android Samsung phones have used, but I expect it is. If and when custom kernels come out it might be able to be improved with converting the file system to ext4. The 'lag' complaint is common to pretty much 100% of Samsung's Android devices, at least with the stock software.

Yes the Infuse is using Samsung's stupid rfs system. And yes it sucks.....yes there is some lag....
But....
Once this phone starts getting around with ext4, I expect it to kick the crap out of any other non dual-core phone it there easily....
Sent from my Samsung Infuse 4G

SSJ_Gomike said:
Yes the Infuse is using Samsung's stupid rfs system. And yes it sucks.....yes there is some lag....
But....
Once this phone starts getting around with ext4, I expect it to kick the crap out of any other non dual-core phone it there easily....
Sent from my Samsung Infuse 4G
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Meh. I think you might be hoping for a bit much. Plenty of Captivate owners who cared to have already been overclocking the same processor to 1.4 for many months now. Once you realize that and you start to realize that other than the slightly larger, modestly improved display and just slightly larger battery the Infuse is basically analogous to the Captivate...
The Infuse isn't a game-changing device by any stretch of the imagination. It's the iPhone4-killer that the AT&T execs wished they'd had to hold against Apple's throat when they were talking about going to Verizon, only delivered at least 6 months too late by the combined Samsung/AT&T dev processes. Relative to the SGS2 varaint expected to be announced in weeks the Infuse is going to go down as a strange, momentary afterthought.

Try Opera. its really good.
Just let me state this really quick.
its a phone. not a computer. browser experience will not be as smooth as in your computer, hey if it gets you online, and lets you do what you need to do, you should be pretty much set.

Rrryan2 said:
Huh? 'Vanilla android' never even really hit the Captivate because it's damn difficult to do with many device drivers etc. being closed source proprietary. You might be waiting a long time.
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Nah...this thing uses so much Captivated hardware and device drivers, I won't be surprised if i am able to work with atinm/codeworkx/techmik and get Cm7 running in a few months.
There is a distinct advantage in you all buying this giant captivate hardware .
The main thing is perfecting that Odin package so it works with 100% of bricked phones. Then its time to go to town
Thanks,
-h8
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using XDA App

I agree with OP that Infuse lags sometimes. Hence bought myself SGS II & this thing literally flies! I am glad that I have made the right decision, Infuse is going back to at&t.

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Meh. I think you might be hoping for a bit much. Plenty of Captivate owners who cared to have already been overclocking the same processor to 1.4 for many months now. Once you realize that and you start to realize that other than the slightly larger, modestly improved display and just slightly larger battery the Infuse is basically analogous to the Captivate...
The Infuse isn't a game-changing device by any stretch of the imagination. It's the iPhone4-killer that the AT&T execs wished they'd had to hold against Apple's throat when they were talking about going to Verizon, only delivered at least 6 months too late by the combined Samsung/AT&T dev processes. Relative to the SGS2 varaint expected to be announced in weeks the Infuse is going to go down as a strange, momentary afterthought.
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I have a Captivate as well and I run it with Paragon's 1.2ghz kernel on Mikeymikes Serendipity rom...
I've had a lot of different phones...and I always kept going back to my captivate a my main phone.....
My cappy was the greatest phone I've ever had hands down.....
Yes the Infuse it's basically a bigger captivate.....but with all the things I always wished my captivate had....
Front facing camera
Super fast out of the box
Huge amoled plus screen
Much lighter and thinner
Better camera with flash
4G freaking speeds
HDMI out
And a battery that really lasts through the whole day.....and then some
The perfect phone.....hands down...
Only thing better out there is the SGS 2
I can settle with second best for now....
Sent from my Samsung Infuse 4G

use opera browse for now, later with gingerbread you will love the hummingbird.
about build quality i do feel that the infuse is too light for it's size but if you look inside an htc vs a samsung sgs i have to say im not impressed with the htc internals. weight isnt everything but i agree the infuse could be more rugged like the captivate was.

[Q] Infuse or Atrix

I am upgrading to a smartphone and really have no idea about anything... I am fairly tech savy with computers so I figured it was high time but after spending over 4 hours on anandtech comparing benchs and roaming the various sites I still feel like I don't know anything about smartphones...
At the moment I am hellbent on sticking with AT&T because I get a huge discount through my work (Grandfathered into unlimited data etc.)...
What I understand is that the Galaxy S2 or whatever is by far the best phone but it is also very expensive atm (800 dollars?) in U.S. and is not yet mainstream, so I can't spend that kind of money. I need my phone by sunday for work (job change), so I think the Atrix and Infuse are the two best 4G phones from AT&T...
Atrix has the dual core so it basically runs a little faster, smaller screen, matrix screen etc. etc.
Infuse is larger, maybe slightly longer(?) battery life due to single core, has a superior screen and is rootable/unlockable or something due to the bootloader(?)
Being a tech junkie I crave speed and hate waiting for anything so the atrix loads web pages and programs faster so that seems appetizing at first. This has to be weighed against the "custom goodies" you can get with the infuse.
So basically please help, I have no idea what a locked bootloader means, why it is bad that the atrix has that, and what the "custom goodies" that come from having a rootable(?) phone are for the Infuse. My understanding is that the Infuse is more customizable (how exactly?). Really my understanding between these two phones is that besides the superior sound and video quality from the infuse (bigger size too) is that the atrix is faster and that has to be weighed against how customizable the infuse is. Sorry for the vague questions but I don't really know much, I realize I am posting on the infuse boards so the responses might be somewhat bias.
Sorry if this is the wrong place this is my first post and first quest into the world of smartphones...

Simple - Motoblur is a steaming turd that slows down phones and eats battery, and the locked bootloader of Motorola devices means that you are stuck with whatever turd Moto gives you. A lot of people felt that even the (slightly weaker than the Infuse) HTC Inspire was faster in actual usability for most tasks than the Atrix due to the crappiness of Motoblur.
With an unlocked bootloader, you aren't stuck with carrier bloatware and can nuke it. For now, an unlocked bootloader means only that we have de-bloated and tweaked variants of the stock ROM, however down the line, we can expect:
1) If another carrier (such as Rogers) releases an update AT&T doesn't, it can be used as a base for ROMs for our AT&T phones. Example - it's rumored the Canadians will get Gingerbread for the Infuse first.
2) Eventually with Infuses in the right dev's hands, we'll see AOSP or the Cyanogenmod source tree targeted at our device. Once that's the case, we'll likely track the latest and greatest Android versions with little delay.
You will never see either of 1 or 2 with an Atrix.

Also if you search the threads you will see a lot of people who came from the atrix and say this is not only a better phone, but faster

I dunno guys - it's looking more and more like the next Atrix OTA is going to have a bootloader unlock and if that really happens then I'm really going to regret leaving the Atrix behind for the Infuse.
Both are great devices. To make your decision ask yourself one question: What is more important to me? A device that works or a device I can customize to the max.
I think that'll help you make a firm decision.

I had the Atrix for almost 30 days. I rooted it on day 1. I loved the long lasting battery cause I use the hell out of my phone. That battery would easily last me a full day! From 8:15 am till around 20% left before I went to bed at 2 am lol the phone would lag once in a while though and people had a hard time hearing me when I spoke on the phone. So I returned it.
The Infuse is sweet so far! Also rooted on day 1. Just wish it had a battery similar to the Atrix and a dual core processor. Everything else is great as is!

kamui8899 said:
I am upgrading to a smartphone and really have no idea about anything... I am fairly tech savy with computers so I figured it was high time but after spending over 4 hours on anandtech comparing benchs and roaming the various sites I still feel like I don't know anything about smartphones...
At the moment I am hellbent on sticking with AT&T because I get a huge discount through my work (Grandfathered into unlimited data etc.)...
What I understand is that the Galaxy S2 or whatever is by far the best phone but it is also very expensive atm (800 dollars?) in U.S. and is not yet mainstream, so I can't spend that kind of money. I need my phone by sunday for work (job change), so I think the Atrix and Infuse are the two best 4G phones from AT&T...
Atrix has the dual core so it basically runs a little faster, smaller screen, matrix screen etc. etc.
Infuse is larger, maybe slightly longer(?) battery life due to single core, has a superior screen and is rootable/unlockable or something due to the bootloader(?)
Being a tech junkie I crave speed and hate waiting for anything so the atrix loads web pages and programs faster so that seems appetizing at first. This has to be weighed against the "custom goodies" you can get with the infuse.
So basically please help, I have no idea what a locked bootloader means, why it is bad that the atrix has that, and what the "custom goodies" that come from having a rootable(?) phone are for the Infuse. My understanding is that the Infuse is more customizable (how exactly?). Really my understanding between these two phones is that besides the superior sound and video quality from the infuse (bigger size too) is that the atrix is faster and that has to be weighed against how customizable the infuse is. Sorry for the vague questions but I don't really know much, I realize I am posting on the infuse boards so the responses might be somewhat bias.
Sorry if this is the wrong place this is my first post and first quest into the world of smartphones...
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From what I've read, the infuse is actually faster than the atrix. Even though the infuse has a 1.2 GHz single core and the atrix a 1GHz running at 2 cores, the infuse is faster since android is only being loaded on a single core for the atrix and to my knowledge, there arent any apps on the market that are able to multi-thread. I may be wrong but that's what I have seen. Also, the hummingbird processor on the infuse can decode(and hopefully encode with the gingerbread update) full HD faster than the atrix's tegra. I have also read that the atrix has some problems with overheating but I may be wrong. The infuse is a pretty good phone, granted the Touch Wiz UI is not as friendly as Sense UI, it is a hella lot better than Motoblur. For the battery life, the infuse is very good and lasting, i don't know about the atrix though. The screen on the infuse is just killer and has AMAZING colors, its basically a pocketable 4.5 inch 1080p HDTV, while the atrix is a smaller sceen(4 inch) phone with qHD display. I believe the infuse's screen is better though because its a SAMOLED(super active matrix organic light emiting diode) screen which eliminates some screen filters that normal LEDs, LCDs and TFTs have, making the colors wonderful. The atrix's qHD display does have 24bit color but i think that it comes short to the infuse. Hope you choose the infuse though. The possible gingerbread update will make it far more superior to most known phones. You wouldn't have buyers remorse

Hopefully I can help a little as I currently use "both" devices. They each have their pros and cons and it really tailors to what you "need" in a smartphone.
Keep in mind I am going from my perspective as a power user, display is off and phone not running some sort of app in the course of 12 hours for maybe 2 hours total.
The atrix succeeds in battery life, 7am to 7pm I still hold about 15-20%, infuse is being charged at that time, actually usually an hour before.
Atrix has better gps lock speed, I definitely rely on it more for road trips, although I have an issue where the gps and google nav use more power that what my cla replenishes "look into it if this is important to you"
Screen goes to the infuse hands down, people say oh qHD is more this and that, Super amoled plus is more this and that, well guess what. When I look at my infuse and turn on a video, I feel like im looking through a window into a little 4.5in world, its amazing
Considering almost ALL of us root, change, configure and who knows what else to personal our device I wouldn't listen to all the motoblur sucks, sense suck, tw sucks folks out there. Both of my phones look exactly the same and although the atrix should be faster the only time I see it win is when loading certain apps, other than that they are damn close so if phone speed is a concern, you can enjoy either one.
The Atrix is definitely LOUDER!! I tend to miss calls here and there with my infuse in the pocket and im outside, never miss a beat with the atrix, wtg moto. Reminds me of the old loud razor.
Screen real estate was a must for me for editing files so that was my win for the infuse, I love the large responsive display. It may only be .5 in but it makes a difference trust me
All in all they are both great devices and worthy of use. The atrix definitely wins in the poweruser world for its trusty gps, louder ringer (people don't like if you miss their call ) and longer battery life
for the entertainment or social user I would say infuse all the way, much much much better camera, larger display, more crisp, light, great size for web browsing, social networking, or just about anything. It has some things it lacks as mentioned but if those are not deal breakers than the infuse is definitely more FUN to own.
PS: They both run games exceptionally well and I have yet to see a hiccup during gameplay that actually affected me while playing.

Well, the Atrix bootloader was unlocked last night. So, we now have Gingerbread on our phones!

Infuse has
Better camera than the Atrix
far better screen
better stock software
Atrix has
better accessories
better feel/build quality
theoretically faster specs (although it doesn't translate to reality at this point)
probably better development now that it's unlocked as well, motorola devices seem to be easier to develop for than Samsung ?

skillz9669 said:
Considering almost ALL of us root, change, configure and who knows what else to personal our device I wouldn't listen to all the motoblur sucks, sense suck, tw
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I disagree on that - if the stock UI sucks and the manufacturer has gone through measures to make you unable to change it, then it's a severe liability.
Motoblur sucks and on most Motorola phones, you have no choice. Apparently that may be changing/have changed as of last night for the Atrix, but I still don't trust Motorola. The arrogance of some of the things they've said to the public is inexcusable.

T Mobile - One S over GS3 Help me guys!

I was waiting to upgrade to Galaxy S3 on Tmobile from Vibrant. But they shocked me with the price ($280 after MIR, when One S is available at retailers for $180) and also I didnt like they removed FM tuner and Wolfenson dac from all US variants. I am looking towards One S now and would appreciate if you guys can answer some questions. I am familiar with flashing roms so if some of these are addressed by custom roms let me know guys
1) Does One S suffer from insuffcient ram issues like browser reloading pages when app swichting, launcher suspended from memory etc
2) Hows is the battery life for normal use (autosync on for gmail, FB etc and moderate use like browsing, few txts and calls).
3) Does GPS perform well for location based services and navigation
4) Are there signal strength issues, drpped calls etc when there is sufficint network
5) Is there FM tuner on Tmobile version and does it work with any headphones
6) Are there issues with MHL video out interms of resolution, refresh rate etc when hooking up with HDTVs and how is surround sound working
Thanks in advance!!

1. No
2. 2 days for me
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes, never tried it
6. Never tried it

1. No, there is about 250MB free on stock from what I remember. The larger issue is HTC's changes to multitasking. I question whether the 1GB of RAM would be enough 2 years from now though.
2. Easily 1 full day of moderate usage.
3. Yes
4. No, not really. It seems to have better coverage than some of the other phones you can buy from TMO. I dropped a call while using WiFi calling (the whole network connection dropped out), but I don't think it is a phone issue. I think TMO needs to work on their WiFi calling software.
5. Yes, 2 or 3 of them... sigh
6. idk

rakeshchn said:
I was waiting to upgrade to Galaxy S3 on Tmobile from Vibrant. But they shocked me with the price ($280 after MIR, when One S is available at retailers for $180) and also I didnt like they removed FM tuner and Wolfenson dac from all US variants. I am looking towards One S now and would appreciate if you guys can answer some questions. I am familiar with flashing roms so if some of these are addressed by custom roms let me know guys
1) Does One S suffer from insuffcient ram issues like browser reloading pages when app swichting, launcher suspended from memory etc
2) Hows is the battery life for normal use (autosync on for gmail, FB etc and moderate use like browsing, few txts and calls).
3) Does GPS perform well for location based services and navigation
4) Are there signal strength issues, drpped calls etc when there is sufficint network
5) Is there FM tuner on Tmobile version and does it work with any headphones
6) Are there issues with MHL video out interms of resolution, refresh rate etc when hooking up with HDTVs and how is surround sound working
Thanks in advance!!
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The One S is ****e m8, you get what you pay for. One S has a VGA front facing camera dude, that should say it all.

KillaHurtz said:
The One S is ****e m8, you get what you pay for. One S has a VGA front facing camera dude, that should say it all.
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The front facing camera is TERRIBLE... but overall I think the One S is pretty awesome. Wish it had 2GB of ram though... but I'm happy with it.

WCCobra said:
The front facing camera is TERRIBLE... but overall I think the One S is pretty awesome. Wish it had 2GB of ram though... but I'm happy with it.
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I had it for all of 2 weeks, couldn't hack the super low storage space, non removable battery, pentile screen......and that god awful VGA. What a joke. Processor is top notch and the back is sexy, but over all it seems like Sensation 3.0 (2.0 was the Amaze fyi). After having 4.5" of samoled plus expandable storage and removable battery I immediately went back to Sammy. Got myself a Note and haven't regretted it. The GS3 is my next phone for sure when the price gouging goes down.

KillaHurtz said:
I had it for all of 2 weeks, couldn't hack the super low storage space, non removable battery, pentile screen......and that god awful VGA. What a joke. Processor is top notch and the back is sexy, but over all it seems like Sensation 3.0 (2.0 was the Amaze fyi). After having 4.5" of samoled plus expandable storage and removable battery I immediately went back to Sammy. Got myself a Note and haven't regretted it. The GS3 is my next phone for sure when the price gouging goes down.
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Didnt you say the same thing in this thread? And then got your ass handed to you on a plate?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1695033
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27052484&postcount=6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27056580&postcount=7
Pointing out the VGA as a weakness means nothing at all.

Good for you KillaHurtz, enjoy your note and your new GS 3 when you get it and have lots of fun with the superior front camera, most important feature right there!
Us HTC one S owners will enjoy our superior processor (for performance per core, better power efficiency and far less heat produced), superior build and perceived quality, not to mention looks and design.......... superior android skin, superior main camera for photos and features in the camera and gallery etc. and better battery life etc.
In anandtechs review of the USA version of the GS 3, which has the S4, the one S and the XL whips its ass in the majority of benchmarks!
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Didnt you say the same thing in this thread? And then got your ass handed to you on a plate?
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haha
Anyway, moving on:
rakeshchn said:
guys
1) Does One S suffer from insuffcient ram issues like browser reloading pages when app swichting, launcher suspended from memory etc
2) Hows is the battery life for normal use (autosync on for gmail, FB etc and moderate use like browsing, few txts and calls).
3) Does GPS perform well for location based services and navigation
4) Are there signal strength issues, drpped calls etc when there is sufficint network
5) Is there FM tuner on Tmobile version and does it work with any headphones
6) Are there issues with MHL video out interms of resolution, refresh rate etc when hooking up with HDTVs and how is surround sound working
Thanks in advance!!
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1. I have disabled a ton of apps, which are not necessary and have no problems with multi-tasking, however, when switching from a game or some demanding app back to the browser, tabs do reload
2. There are plenty of threads on battery life here and plenty of screenshots of my usage for my review of the 1S (link in sig) and throughout that thread, to sum it up, amazing the best there is
3. Very well, GPS locks on very quick for me (UK, N.I.), never properly used navigation but it does seem to work fine when I have quickly tried it out, if you aren't satisfied you can get tom tom or some other navigation app
4. As shown in that post above of mine linked by big_den, none whatsoever
5. Can't comment on t-mobile version but the international version we have a FM radio and it only works when headphones are plugged in
6. You can see my mini review of a standard generic MHL adapter below. It appears though that the refresh rate is a bug, as it only has a 24Hz refresh rate, however, a guy here modded a kernel so that the resolution is dropped to 720P and 60Hz refresh rate iirc.
Basically you go for the GS 3 if you want this stuff:
- better and bigger screen
- more storage
- NFC
- better community for custom ROMs etc.
- much better 1080P recording
Go for the one S if you want this stuff:
- far better out of the box experience, sense is much nicer to use and has great apps e.g. the dialer, gallery, calendar, camera etc. which can't be matched by 3rd party apps
- better battery life
- far better looks/design and build/perceived quality
- better camera for photos and features overall
In the real world, performance is more or less the same really.
EDIT:
Just realised you were talking about the USA versions, in that case the GPU and CPU is the same as the S, adreno 225 and S4
However, as I mentioned above the S whips the GS 3 that has the S4 etc. in the majority of stuff, so sense appears to be far better optimized than touchwiz regarding that.

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Basically you go for the GS 3 if you want this stuff:
- far better GPU
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All US GS3 versions use the S4 MSM8960 which has the same GPU as the One S has (Adreno 225). In fact, graphics performance should be better on the One S as it's driving a smaller screen.
And to answer the OP:
1) Not really. Browser does reload from time to time but I've never had Sense reloads like I did on the Sensation.
2) Good in my experience - should be at least a day if not more.
3) Yes.
4) Not in my experience.
5) Yes. Worked with my usual headphones as well as old iPod ones.
6) Never tried it.

Yeah, I just noticed that he meant the USA versions and always keep forgetting about these mobiles having different hardware in different parts of the world
And yup, the one S (even the XL, which has the same res.) whips the GS 3 s4 version.......
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...axy-s-iii-review-att-and-tmobile-usa-variants
So just shows that sense must be better optimized than touchwiz overall here.

Big_Den said:
Didnt you say the same thing in this thread? And then got your ass handed to you on a plate?
Pointing out the VGA as a weakness means nothing at all.
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Not quite sure how that was having my ass handed to me. The guy said he doesn't use the FFC, with faceunlock a good front facing camera is key. I also take a ton of pics with my friends that way, and all this coming from a n00b mean ****e you toothless bloke.
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Good for you KillaHurtz, enjoy your note and your new GS 3 when you get it and have lots of fun with the superior front camera, most important feature right there!
Us HTC one S owners will enjoy our superior processor (for performance per core, better power efficiency and far less heat produced), superior build and perceived quality, not to mention looks and design.......... superior android skin, superior main camera for photos and features in the camera and gallery etc. and better battery life etc.
In anandtechs review of the USA version of the GS 3, which has the S4, the one S and the XL whips its ass in the majority of benchmarks!
haha
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Well I also pointed out the pentile display which is gross, and the signal issue which there is tons of threads about. The One S and GS3 are similar to how the Sensation & GS2 T989 were related. Same processor, but the Sensation suffered from signal issues, lag and a poor FFC. Sense, whether you like it or not takes a lot of resources. FACT. The GS2 with the same exact processor performed leaps and bounds better and I have no doubt the GS3 is the same way this time around. I have owned all said devices, so this is not speculation or some bloggers paid opinion. The fact that you said US HTC One S users will have a superior processor.......umm how if it's the exact same one within the GS3?, 2gb of RAM sounds superior to me. Multitasking is a pain on the One S (one again, I have owned it) it can't even switch back to a webpage without having to reload. The One S may perform marginally better on an outdated & pixelated screen with crippled expansion abilities. Take that to the bank fanboys. Fail harder next time please
It all comes down to preference.
HTC always makes gorgeous exteriors that usually cause signal issues & they take forever to release source (Has is been yet?) Better build quality sure, but at the cost of performance?
Sense is super intensive on RAM and CPU and runs super deep into the android framework.
Samsung makes lighter, usually polycarbonate bodies to reduce weight and make them easier to replace. Signal has never been an issue with me on a Galaxy phone because of this design. Samsung released source code for the GS3 before the phone was officially released. CYANOGEN himself works for Samsung into helping them make the most cutting edge, efficient, and powerful coding for software.

I also have used the face camera unlock and have had no problems with it whatsoever Doesn't work in pitch black obviously but every time I unlock the device, the screen is also unlocked straight away. Take the ugly mask off
In your opinion the display is gross, not my opinion and same for many others, have shown everyone of my friends and family the display and they have been very impressed with it, one of the first things that they comment on.
Again, just because there are ton of threads where people are stating an issue doesn't mean that it applies to everyone.......... Many people only voice there opinions when something goes wrong and never any positives. And we only make up a very small % of owners for the S on this forum.
Again, you seem to be ignoring the screenshots in my post that I addressed these issues again, no problems with resources regarding RAM etc. as I have shown with the task manager. And if it really was hogging resources then please explain why the battery life is so great (for the S and XL) and outmatches the GS 3 S4 version despite the GS 3 having the bigger battery?????? So it musn't be FACT
Again what a strange observation you make, because I have had the GS 2 on stock ICS right beside my stock S and the performance was far better in everything, everything was just more instant and even my friend who owns the GS 2 said the exact same and the majority of people who have upgraded from the GS 2 to the S.
go and try loading a page full of gifs and see what comes out on top between the S, GS 2 and note.
Wrong again, people who have the S and GS 3 have said that both are just the same overall, the GS 3 is slightly smoother but in terms of raw speed, more or less the same. I also have had the 2 side by side and they are the same pretty much, GS 3 smoother but not by much.
Likewise! (not owned but plenty of time with the top end devices) and also these opinions are coming from other forums and these guys have owned every device there is and to just show good the S is, this one guy usually upgrades his mobile to the latest and greatest and sells the old one to fund it, but guess what, he didn't, he kept both the S and GS 3 because he loves the S sooo much as well, he didn't want to get rid of it and the only reason he is sticking with the GS 3 is due to storage, shocker!
Hmm, you obviously didn't read the post properly? Either that or you are a bit dumb and can't read I was talking about your note as well.........
And once again, in the benchmarks according to anandtech the one S is far superior to the GS 3 S4 version. "Sense not as well optimized and hogs resources"...........lol
Tell me where 2GB of RAM will be useful?
Sir, I think everyone knows who has failed here particularly after this, "The One S is ****e m8" and it most certainly isn't me or anyone else in this thread, but YOU, so back to the note/GS 3 threads where you belong
And the only one who is a fanboy here, is you
I wonder why all the review sites particularly gsmarena who are quite harsh on everything apart from the flagship devices spoke so highly of the S
Again, signal issues........I have no problems, but you seem to have ignored my post with screenshots showing that as usual
Yes the kernel source has been released for quite a while now.
You obviously didn't look at the anandtechs review as usual
Again, you obviously haven't seen my battery life screenshots and anandtechs review, if something is so intrusive and resource hungry then why does it perform better, why does it get better battery life?
LOL you have failed once again, the one S is lighter by a fair bit compared to the GS 3 and thinner hahahaha
Also polycarbonate bodies............emmmm they use cheap ass glossy plastic which makes the phone look like a cheap fisher price toy, the X/XL uses polycarbonate body.
Again no issues with signal here for me.
What a surprise the community is better than the one S.........I couldn't give a rats ass about the kernel source or ROMs etc. as I have no intentions of rooting the one S or flashing a custom ROM because it is PERFECT for ME.
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"toothless bloke" bahahahahaha, are you like 12 or something?
And it is quite clear that you are the noob!

Terminator19, you said what most people on this forum think, but in the most eloquent way. At the end of the day, this guy bought the S and had a bad experience. Even though thousands users and people in the industry disagree. Good that he likes his Note and all the best for his GS3.

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Hmm, you obviously didn't read the post properly? Either that or you are a bit dumb and can't read I was talking about your note as well.........
You keep comparing the One S to phones that carry the S3 processor, why ?
And the only one who is a fanboy here, is you
I'm an Android Fanboy, you got me there. I had had all HTC devices until the GS2 T989 (so from 2008 to October 2011)
Again, signal issues........I have no problems, but you seem to have ignored my post with screenshots showing that as usual
I think it's great when people don't experience those issues that plague a device.
Yes the kernel source has been released for quite a while now.
Great the device has been out and devs were flatout pissed about HTCs GPL compliance
Again, you obviously haven't seen my battery life screenshots and anandtechs review, if something is so intrusive and resource hungry then why does it perform better, why does it get better battery life?
Once again this is relative and I never mentioned battery life as a factor. When I had my One S I wasn't impressed compared to my T989. Yes the One S should get better battery life as the processor is optimized for it
LOL you have failed once again, the one S is lighter by a fair bit compared to the GS 3 and thinner hahahaha
Never said the GS3 was lighter or thinner m8
Also polycarbonate bodies............emmmm they use cheap ass glossy plastic which makes the phone look like a cheap fisher price toy, the X/XL uses polycarbonate body.
Once again they do use polycarbonate, maybe you should look up what that actually is. Some people like shiny things
What a surprise the community is better than the one S.........I couldn't give a rats ass about the kernel source or ROMs etc. as I have no intentions of rooting the one S or flashing a custom ROM because it is PERFECT for ME.
Why are you on a developers site then?
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You also mentioned the One S can load a pageful of .gifs faster than a Note or GS2, big surprise there bro. That's like comparing a Mustang to a Ferrari, of course the One S beats those at a totally useless test. You are comparing last years technology to one that is cutting edge. Of course the benchmarks are gonna be higher for the One S, it's running a smaller & lower rez screen. If were to run the same hardware on a 2" screen I would dust the One S by double. Kudos on the astonishing, non pertinent info which showcases your lack of how technology actually works. Kudos.

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Terminator19, you said what most people on this forum think, but in the most eloquent way. At the end of the day, this guy bought the S and had a bad experience. Even though thousands users and people in the industry disagree. Good that he likes his Note and all the best for his GS3.
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Yeah, I usually don't post too much "defending" the phone especially "attacking" other phones etc. but it is getting tiring and irritating seeing the same posts by the same couple of people (think we all know who the other one is ) who keep posting the same xxxx in every thread where someone asks about the one S vs xxx or the pros and cons etc. and thinking that it applies to every single S there is and therefore the mobile is **** etc. etc.
Indeed, I have no problems with him liking a different mobile etc. just don't see the point of trashing the phone in it's own sub-forum when he had a bad experience.

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Yeah, I usually don't post too much "defending" the phone especially "attacking" other phones etc. but it is getting tiring and irritating seeing the same posts by the same couple of people (think we all know who the other one is ) who keep posting the same xxxx in every thread where someone asks about the one S vs xxx or the pros and cons etc. and thinking that it applies to every single S there is and therefore the mobile is **** etc. etc.
Indeed, I have no problems with him liking a different mobile etc. just don't see the point of trashing the phone in it's own sub-forum when he had a bad experience.
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I'm not trashing anything dude, these are simple facts that people may be overlooking. Someone asked a legitimate question and I am answering it with real world experience. I loved the One S to be honest, great camera, great form factory and benches that would make the android horsepower gurus drool.
Believe me I was sold, I actually bought it I liked it so much. I'm only providing a balanced view of things, and while my attitude may seem crude, the facts are not. This is a forum where people who sometimes have no insight of these products look to users/owners for advice. I am trying to provide that from an actual, non biased place. Sorry if it seems otherwise, sincerely.
I gave up my One S because it didn't seem like much of an upgrade. I am one of the dudes that has his phone filled with .FLACs, and full movies for my 3 year old daughter. I am what I would consider a power user and most times need an extra battery to get me thru the day. I hate being plugged in and hate streaming from a cloud because most of the time it reduces the quality of music, which defeats my extensive .FLAC library. That, and the fact that I travel to places in my state where coverage isn't so great. Was it a bad experience, no. I love HTC, this particular device I had to let go because it didn't fit my lifestyle, that's it.

I am not just comparing the phone to the phones that have the S3 chip.......I am comparing it to every other phone there is and the S4 is superior to every CPU even the quad in the GS 3 and X, not just for raw speed per core but also heat and power efficiency as well.
No you didn't but you keep saying about sense being a huge resource hog, however, how can it be if the one S and XL get great battery life if RAM and CPU is being hogged? Just like an app, which doesn't close when required and will hog resources and drain battery life. Granted the S4 helps a lot but even still if resources are being hogged then the battery life wouldn't be as good, also if sense was such a huge hog then the battery life would be nowhere as good and the one S is better than the GS 3 S4 version for battery life, and you said that touchwiz is far lighter and better optimized than sense, once again why would the battery life be worse on the GS 3 and better on the S etc.? (and yes I know the screen is bigger and higher res. on the GS 3 but the bigger battery makes up for that and the XL is still better anyway.
Also the hardware is crap/pointless if the software/drivers aren't optimized for it.
You said lighter
"Samsung makes lighter, usually polycarbonate bodies to reduce weight and make them easier to replace."
Yes it is polycarbonate, however, they ruin the true feel/look of it by having that hyperglaze/glossy finish to it.
This site isn't solely for discussion of ROM's, tweaks etc. but also discussion of apps, general stuff like accessories and useful info. on certain stuff.
Well, yes I used that comparison because you said this:
"The GS2 with the same exact processor performed leaps and bounds better"
Not really a useless test, well for me anyway, as I am a heavy web browser and a random gif thread is one of the many threads that I visit daily, so would like them to be smooth rather than a slideshow.
I didn't compare just the S and GS 3, but also the XL, which does have the same res. as the GS 3.
Again, I think you will find that everything is connected and thus all of my post has perfectly suited your points. It isn't just a simple oh processor better therefore that is better etc.
Right you go and say that in your last post and then you say this at the beginning of the thread:
"The One S is ****e m8, you get what you pay for. One S has a VGA front facing camera dude, that should say it all."
Also I am not bias to the S at all, I have stated that there are faults/weak areas many times and in my review of the S as well:
Cons:
No NFC
No SD card slot and limited internal storage
Non-removable battery
Uses a pentile matrix instead of RGB
Notification LED isn't great
However, most of those things don't bother me too much, if at all now, the only thing that really bothers me is the NLED.
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Not only that but if you are wanting to give people advice on the S since you have owned it, then why didn't you answer the OP questions instead of just saying that one line, which isn't true as you just stated in your last post there pretty much and he didn't ask about the front camera at all.
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Also considering you stated there that you put flacs and films etc. on your mobiles, surely you should have known that was going to be an issue with the S in the first place then???

rakeshchn said:
I was waiting to upgrade to Galaxy S3 on Tmobile from Vibrant. But they shocked me with the price ($280 after MIR, when One S is available at retailers for $180) and also I didnt like they removed FM tuner and Wolfenson dac from all US variants. I am looking towards One S now and would appreciate if you guys can answer some questions. I am familiar with flashing roms so if some of these are addressed by custom roms let me know guys
1) Does One S suffer from insuffcient ram issues like browser reloading pages when app swichting, launcher suspended from memory etc
2) Hows is the battery life for normal use (autosync on for gmail, FB etc and moderate use like browsing, few txts and calls).
3) Does GPS perform well for location based services and navigation
4) Are there signal strength issues, drpped calls etc when there is sufficint network
5) Is there FM tuner on Tmobile version and does it work with any headphones
6) Are there issues with MHL video out interms of resolution, refresh rate etc when hooking up with HDTVs and how is surround sound working
Thanks in advance!!
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1. Yes. It's a major issue with One X as well. I usually do a lot of browsing and have at least 3 tabs open and every time I switch to any other app (eg. Messaging) and go back to browser, it just reloads. This is ridiculous because sometimes I am typing something on the webpage before switching and I lose everything. Even xda app reloads after switching to messaging. I am thinking of getting GSIII because of this issue. I know I can root and get a custom Rom to make this work but again this is an expensive phone and such a trivial feature of android should work out of the box!
2. 1 day with gmail, 2 other personal emails, gvoice and a lot of browsing.
3. Yes
4. Yes. It's ironic that I never had any dropped calls with my older phones Amaze, MT4GS.
5. Never tried
6. Never tried. Sorry.
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rakeshchn said:
I was waiting to upgrade to Galaxy S3 on Tmobile from Vibrant. But they shocked me with the price ($280 after MIR, when One S is available at retailers for $180) and also I didnt like they removed FM tuner and Wolfenson dac from all US variants. I am looking towards One S now and would appreciate if you guys can answer some questions. I am familiar with flashing roms so if some of these are addressed by custom roms let me know guys
1) Does One S suffer from insuffcient ram issues like browser reloading pages when app swichting, launcher suspended from memory etc
2) Hows is the battery life for normal use (autosync on for gmail, FB etc and moderate use like browsing, few txts and calls).
3) Does GPS perform well for location based services and navigation
4) Are there signal strength issues, drpped calls etc when there is sufficint network
5) Is there FM tuner on Tmobile version and does it work with any headphones
6) Are there issues with MHL video out interms of resolution, refresh rate etc when hooking up with HDTVs and how is surround sound working
Thanks in advance!!
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1. I suffer from Wifi error after a system upgrade and now auto-reset after replacing a new one from Costco. But other things work pretty fine
2.less than 1 day
3.Yes, work quite well. But it eats a lot of battery
4.Sometimes drop calls.Also there are some 4G signal issues while using it indoor. But not as worst as Sensation 4G
5. Yes, there are FM tuner.
6. MHL work quite fine. I tested it on a 24" no-speaker-moniter. So don't know how it sounds like.
I suggest that you should wait for a GSIII instead, it will be a lot more better than One S. Replacable battery, upgradable memory(support up to 64 GB micro-SD card) , large battery(that's 2100mAh Vs. 1650mAh HTC One S), and also 2GB of ram(that's HTC One S 's double!!). But it will use Snapdragon S4 dual-core processor instead of quad-core, which means same as HTC One S. The only good thing about HTC One S is good camera, the brilliant HTC Sense 4.0, beats audio, extremly thin and light weight.
PS: If my One S suffer from annoying auto-restarting, can I just return the phone to Costco and grab a GS III??

One S is the best bang for your buck right now in the US. Although i wonder if we are gonna get 4.1 quickly since it looks like a minor upgrade.