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Seriously considering ditching my Vibrant for this phone

So when I bought my Vibrant, I knew this phone was coming soon. I got the Vibrant anyway because of all it was promising to be. (And because I have absolutely no patience whatsoever.)
Well, that Vibrant, other than the beautiful screen, is NOT all it promised. Yes, I can flash ROMs and blah blah blah, but I have no idea what I'm doing in that area, so it's probably not too smart to try in my case. Besides, shouldn't a phone just work? I understand that they will all have issues, but this Vibrant is chock full of 'em!
Anyhoo...just curious to know the opinions of current MT4G owners. Do you find that the "issues", if any, are worth overlooking? The Vibrant has so many. At first, I had no problem saying "eh, it's a new phone, they'll work it out". I'm realizing over time that not only have they not worked it out, but it's just getting worse over time.

What issues are you having with the vibrant? I only really had a borked GPS. The screen was great, but text was a little fuzzy, which is unfortunately what I do most on a phone. That said, the mt4g just fits and feels better in my hand, vibrant was too awkward and slippery. I still have both, will decide which one to keep... but the Vibrant running on TeamWhiskey's Onyx ROM was super fast. The mt4g felt 'laggy' to me out of the box compared to it and my modded nexus one. I guess we just have to wait for some good roms.
Edit: by laggy i mean the time between swiping your finger, and actually observing the screen start to move. the phone is fast opening apps and what not, so i'm not talking about that kind of lag. I guess I mean the 'responsiveness' in the UI is a bit slower than what I'm used to and I'm convinced it's the bloatware and mySense that HTC has loaded it up with...hoping for a vanilla android ROM to flash =)

hospo said:
... "eh, it's a new phone, they'll work it out"
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That's the beauty of buying an HTC product - they actually do work out issues.
This phone though, right out of the box it does everything I wanted it to and does it WELL.
I had a Vibrant, got rid of it for a Nexus One (which was a great phone - but this one was better!) - I was tired of the GPS issues and the lack of support, and then what little support they did give had galacticly POOR QA on it.

dinan said:
Edit: by laggy i mean the time between swiping your finger, and actually observing the screen start to move. the phone is fast opening apps and what not, so i'm not talking about that kind of lag. I guess I mean the 'responsiveness' in the UI is a bit slower than what I'm used to and I'm convinced it's the bloatware and mySense that HTC has loaded it up with...hoping for a vanilla android ROM to flash =)
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Although added software on the phone can't help with the overall speed of the phone, I really doubt the minimal bloatware has any effect on the speed of the UI as you put it. The effect of the bloatware on a stock ROM like this with all its underlying processes shouldn't amount to much at all, as evidenced by how fast apps can open and the general speed of the I/O. I think rather, the ever so slight lag in the UI may be more of a hardware and/or driver issue, as that component does not vary at all. Whether you have just rebooted the phone, deleted system app (bloatware if you will), or at any other time, that screen response and movement never varies. I have just "frozen" every system app I could get away with, and quite frankly, I see no difference in overall speed of the phone. It just flies.

floepie said:
Although added software on the phone can't help with the overall speed of the phone, I really doubt the minimal bloatware has any effect on the speed of the UI as you put it. The effect of the bloatware on a stock ROM like this with all its underlying processes shouldn't amount to much at all, as evidenced by how fast apps can open and the general speed of the I/O. I think rather, the ever so slight lag in the UI may be more of a hardware and/or driver issue, as that component does not vary at all. Whether you have just rebooted the phone, deleted system app (bloatware if you will), or at any other time, that screen response and movement never varies. I have just "frozen" every system app I could get away with, and quite frankly, I see no difference in overall speed of the phone. It just flies.
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This is what I thought as well. But the thing is, the length of the 'lag' in response to my touch actually differs between applications. When I use launcher pro's launcher, it's very quick, but if I'm in say, the settings of the browser menu, or some of the other "mySense themed" things, it's a lot slower to respond I find. Maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of anal about speed. Still, I'll reserve judgement until I can get a vanilla ROM on and get rid of this mySense thing. I agree, the phone is really snappy, it's just that some apps are a bit slower to pickup my touch input than others.

Thanks for your replies
I may just get the MT4G outright and try it out for a few days. See which I like better, then either return the MT or sell the Vibrant. I'm so wishy washy with phones...maybe wishy washy isn't the word so much as fickle.

hospo said:
Thanks for your replies
I may just get the MT4G outright and try it out for a few days. See which I like better, then either return the MT or sell the Vibrant. I'm so wishy washy with phones...maybe wishy washy isn't the word so much as fickle.
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I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me

Lakeshow423 said:
I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me
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Oooh, I do like hearing that!

Lakeshow423 said:
I had a rootes vibrant for 3 weeks and I liked it alot! The vibrant was fast, the screen was great and I was happy with it. I decided to trade it in for the MT4G and never looked back. Trust me when I say this...the Vibrant got nothing on this MT4G. I change phones alot and I think I finally found a phone that satisfies me
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I don't know if the vibrant has NOTHING on the mt4g... I'm fairly sure the external speaker was far superior to the MT4G's in terms of quality (bass production) as well as volume. The sound production through headphones was also superior... it seems HTC phones are plagued with mediocre audio quality. That, and the arguably better screen (colors popped more, but text is fuzzier on amoled/samoled screens). But ya, the MT4G's LED flash, working GPS, better feel (objective), more ram, snapdragon (lets face it, samsung doesn't seem to give a **** about optimizing the JIT for hummingbird right now), makes it a winner.

I made the Switch to the MT4G the Laggy-ness of the vibrant + horrible Battery Life and the cluster F%^k that is the froyo updating made me pull the trigger the MT4G is wicked fast the text is easier to read than the vibrant and the MT4G doesn't feel cheap like the vibrant, and the crappy GPS on the vibrant was also a killer, Maybe with the nexus 2 sammy will do better. See ya sammy

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I don't know if the vibrant has NOTHING on the mt4g... I'm fairly sure the external speaker was far superior to the MT4G's in terms of quality (bass production) as well as volume. The sound production through headphones was also superior... it seems HTC phones are plagued with mediocre audio quality. That, and the arguably better screen (colors popped more, but text is fuzzier on amoled/samoled screens). But ya, the MT4G's LED flash, working GPS, better feel (objective), more ram, snapdragon (lets face it, samsung doesn't seem to give a **** about optimizing the JIT for hummingbird right now), makes it a winner.
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As far as audio quality through headphones, the Vibrant uses a DSP chip which enhances sound quality. To me, it was the best sounding phone i've ever heard but I hardly ever listen to music from my phone.
I sold my vibrant for the MT4G and i'm happy I did. It has many more features, is much quicker, has perfect GPS and MUCH better battery life.

Vibrant>G2>MT4G
And I'm 100% happy. Im just wishing I would of gotten red.... Lol
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Ok, pretty sure you've all convinced me...I need to make the switch!

If you can bear one more +1, I too had the Vibrant for a month, and had a laundry list of wishes for it. The screen was beautiful, but I don't miss it a tad. The MT4g just has everything I wished for on the Vibrant, plus little extras that I love as I discover them. This is my keeper phone.

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If you can bear one more +1, I too had the Vibrant for a month, and had a laundry list of wishes for it. The screen was beautiful, but I don't miss it a tad. The MT4g just has everything I wished for on the Vibrant, plus little extras that I love as I discover them. This is my keeper phone.
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Thank you! More and more I'm realizing that I should definitely ditch the Vibrant. While the screen is absolutely beautiful, I think that seems to be the only thing (as far as my needs go) that the Vibrant has over the MT. I'm sure in the development world there are many, many other things that the Vibrant has over it, but in my little novice world, I think the MT is more for me.

I'm sorry I'm not trying to bash on any vibrant owners but I held a vibrant and it felt like a piece of plastic on my hands with a beautiful display that's all. When I got the mt4g from the moment I felt it in my hands u can tell the quality of this phone has with a nice weight to it. The size imo is the perfect size for my hands and I'm coming from an hd2 4.3inch feels too bulky especially when ur out with ur friends at a party and ur trying to get ur phone out to take pics lol trust me I been there. The mt4g not only feels perfect on ur hands but performs flawlessly with no lag no hangs this baby is meant for all kinds of multitasking u can throw at it overall this phone is a beast!
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I'm not trying to bash the phone either. I truly wanted to love it. I tried to love it. I even have days that I DO love it. Sadly, they are getting farther and fewer between. I need a phone that's going to perform the way I need it to now, not whenever they feel like getting around to it. It's really too bad, because I think the Vibrant has such huge potential.

I have both the Vibrant and the myTouch 4G. I'm currently using the myTouch and I have to say that I am missing my Vibrant. I do like the led light, the flash, the trackpad, front camera, and wifi calling though. What I don't like about the myTouch is that the buttons feel cheap, the screen isn't as great as the SGS, and the speakers sound bad. The Vibrant screen is a lot better because of the super AMOLED. The only downside about the screen is that it drains a lot of battery. I like the Vibrant's interface more and the 16GB internal memory. The GPU on the Vibrant is a great plus and the camera is pretty good. I think froyo is what my Vibrant needs, then I would pick it for sure. I don't have that many things installed on my myTouch yet, but stock applications keep force closing, I don't know if anyone else has that problem. I love how fast the myTouch restarts though, the SGS is kind of slow to start up...

i have both phones and from using the mt4g the past two weeks, i'm really torn between the two. but it's good to have to seperate lines for work and home
at any rate, i have found that the vibrant, with root and the right mods/hacks outshines the mt4g in performance. quadrant scores which surpass 3000 are some what proof of that. however, i don't put linpack nor quadrant scores too much on a pedestal because both were designed mainly for testing snapdragon devices.
the vibrant is an incredible device for gaming and video playback. i have tested 3d games and emulators which use tons of memory. my myt4g lags and on almost every psx or snesoidrom that i have using psx or snes emulators v. the vibrant. gameloft games such as sandstorm don't seem to run as smooth either. graphical display on these games look much much better on the vibrant.
out of the box though, the mt4g is plenty fast as i don't really see myself needing to flash custom roms immediately. the gps works flawlessly, no need for lagfixes like the vibrant. even with the custom espresso skin, the myt4g is super fast. on top of that, i seem to get better signal 3 signals vs. the vibrant.
and that's my short review of both phones. right now, i use the myt4g primarily for work as it has exceptional battery life and durability over the vibrant.
i use the vibrant as my personal phone because it's an incredible gaming and media playback device. now, i just need to wait for that new galaxy 2 to come out..

jimmynguyen91 said:
I have both the Vibrant and the myTouch 4G. I'm currently using the myTouch and I have to say that I am missing my Vibrant. I do like the led light, the flash, the trackpad, front camera, and wifi calling though. What I don't like about the myTouch is that the buttons feel cheap, the screen isn't as great as the SGS, and the speakers sound bad. The Vibrant screen is a lot better because of the super AMOLED. The only downside about the screen is that it drains a lot of battery. I like the Vibrant's interface more and the 16GB internal memory. The GPU on the Vibrant is a great plus and the camera is pretty good. I think froyo is what my Vibrant needs, then I would pick it for sure. I don't have that many things installed on my myTouch yet, but stock applications keep force closing, I don't know if anyone else has that problem. I love how fast the myTouch restarts though, the SGS is kind of slow to start up...
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I dont know what ur talking about the buttons feel solid imo unless ur phone came with faulty buttons and in terms of force closing I only had the market close on me once

Pondering the Infuse

I'm a frequent phone hopper, so I've avoided Verizon and AT&T lately because of high ETF's.
I've recently had
Old school Droid when it first came out
Samsung Vibrant
MyTouch 4g now
I hated the vibrant, it was slow, laggy, and the GPS was a ****ing piece of ****.
I love my Mytouch 4g, running sense 3.0, but the screen's too small, I have big hands.
I can't find a store with an infuse to play around with.....is it laggy at all? does it have the same problems the Galaxy S line had?
can you see yourself happy with the phone for 2 years since AT&T has such a massive ETF?
My other option is switching to Sprint, getting the Evo3D, then when LTE goes live around the holidays here, switching to Verizon

The Infuse is a great phone stock.
The screen is awesome for video.
Not laggy like gs.
But I do get some force closes with certain apps. Plume is problematic.
If I were in your shoes I would wait for the sprint phone coming soon. Basically a gs2 in an Infuse body with the awesome 4.5"screen.
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I just switched over from the captivate. My thinking was I wanted to sell my cappy while it still had some value before everyone dumped it for SGS2 and if i was gonna trade some battery life for better features I would rather have a bigger screen than dual core or NFC anyway even if the knock on this phone is that it's last year's tech.
Only had it a few days but for me it's noticeably less laggy than my captivate (both on custom roms), the screen is gorgeous and the gps works great unlike the cappy. I'm v happy so far with it...I did sell my soul and my a$$ to ATT for another 2 years to get upgrade pricing and that is such a long time...but I think 2 years without dual core and NFC won't be that big a deal and you won't see many apps taking advantage of those features before then anyway.

nv83 said:
I just switched over from the captivate. My thinking was I wanted to sell my cappy while it still had some value before everyone dumped it for SGS2 and if i was gonna trade some battery life for better features I would rather have a bigger screen than dual core or NFC anyway even if the knock on this phone is that it's last year's tech.
Only had it a few days but for me it's noticeably less laggy than my captivate (both on custom roms), the screen is gorgeous and the gps works great unlike the cappy. I'm v happy so far with it...I did sell my soul and my a$$ to ATT for another 2 years to get upgrade pricing and that is such a long time...but I think 2 years without dual core and NFC won't be that big a deal and you won't see many apps taking advantage of those features before then anyway.
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I agree with you and I had the same thoughts when choosing to upgrade to Infuse from Captivate. The only issue is that I do not get hspa+ 4G speeds. I am actually slower than 3G captivate speeds.

It's definitely faster than the Galaxy S phones stock and the GPS works better as well (though I've still seen better). It can get a bit laggy if you run stock for a while, but not to the extent of the Galaxy S line, and if you install a custom ROM with Voodoo lagfix it will of course be cleared right up. That said, may want to wait for the Galaxy S II variants unless you really have to have the 4.5 inch screen. The SGS2 will be better in every other way and has absolutely no lag even if you run it completely stock.

This is the first phone I've bought with no buyers remorse. The size screen and performance really won me over. My last day to return is this Monday. Instead of prepping the phone for a return I bought 2 docks GPS dock and a casemate barely there. /committed.
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shadow65781 said:
The Infuse is a great phone stock.
The screen is awesome for video.
Not laggy like gs.
But I do get some force closes with certain apps. Plume is problematic.
If I were in your shoes I would wait for the sprint phone coming soon. Basically a gs2 in an Infuse body with the awesome 4.5"screen.
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Plume isn't problematic. I use it all the time with zero issues on my Infuse.

Switched from a iPhone 4 to this a week ago. Got to say that I am impressed with the phone so far. The screen is really quite gorgeous and is one of the best mobile devices I have used for internet.
A couple of things to note:
-Even though quadrant scores are not all that accurate in terms of actual speed, I got 1000-1200 average on stock and 1600-1800 on average with the Infused Custom ROM. With that said, it is a very fast device and can handle apps, games, and the internet with speed. Widgets do slow down the stock ROM, but Launcher Pro fixes that real easy.
-Battery does fairly well. On stock, I was getting a average of 15 hours on a quarter brightness with a fair amount of use. On the custom ROM, it seems to be doing much better and seems to have increased the battery life a good 5 hours+ or so. On standby, it does fairly well as long as it isn't checking for notifications constantly.
-I live in a somewhat big town in Tennessee, and my HSPA+ speeds are averaging about 1.50Mbps -3.0Mbps download, which is on par with my iPhone 4. It only dipped into edge once, and on average it will hold a signal pretty well (I get the same amount of bars as the iPhone and same connection pull, pretty much).
-Call quality is fine on my end, although some people have had problems. It is generally recommended that you do a reformat immediately when you get the phone to be on the safe side. Speaker phone mode is also fine. The sound quality is also adequate for both headsets/ear buds and just for watching stuff like youtube without them.
-Build quality-wise, it is surprisingly thin and somewhat weightless and does fit in my pocket just fine. I am not the biggest fan of the chrome bezel, but it isn't bad per-se. The back looks and feels fine, but the battery cover can be a pain in the ass to get off. It also only comes with a 2GB SD Card, although it comes with a rather large 16GB internally. I have not run out of space yet, and I have quite a few apps installed.
-Camera-wise, it is a 8MP camera and it does show. Pictures do have detail in them and look rich and vibrant. I will note that the stock camera app has TERRIBLE image stability when compared to the iPhone 4's pictures, but several apps on the marketplace fix that issue. It also only records in 720p at the moment, but that might get upgraded with Gingerbread (The rogers version is supposed to ship with both Gingerbread and 1080p recording, so that might make a difference). The front facing camera is a 1.3MP one, which is a step up from VGA.
-Flash tends to run fine in the web browser as long as it isn't a huge size dimension wize (Youtube imbedding size works fine) while anything larger might lag. Also, if there is a bunch of flash content on a page, it WILL be slow. I have been pleased with it in general, although newgrounds might run a little slow and choppy.
I will say that I am pleasantly pleased with the phone, it might not be a dual core (1.2Ghz single core Hummingbird processor), but you really do not need dual cores at the moment. I say go for it if you want a huge screen and a decent all around android phone.

I'm coming from ios and I am interested in stock camera replacement apps.
The camera and photo manipulation apps I has on the iPhone is really all that I miss at this point.
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Ive never owned a iphone and i would like to know about the camera problems and whats needed to make it better. As stated above, there are several apps that fix it?????? "TERRIBLE image stability" ?????? What exactly does this mean?

[Q] Infuse or Atrix

I am upgrading to a smartphone and really have no idea about anything... I am fairly tech savy with computers so I figured it was high time but after spending over 4 hours on anandtech comparing benchs and roaming the various sites I still feel like I don't know anything about smartphones...
At the moment I am hellbent on sticking with AT&T because I get a huge discount through my work (Grandfathered into unlimited data etc.)...
What I understand is that the Galaxy S2 or whatever is by far the best phone but it is also very expensive atm (800 dollars?) in U.S. and is not yet mainstream, so I can't spend that kind of money. I need my phone by sunday for work (job change), so I think the Atrix and Infuse are the two best 4G phones from AT&T...
Atrix has the dual core so it basically runs a little faster, smaller screen, matrix screen etc. etc.
Infuse is larger, maybe slightly longer(?) battery life due to single core, has a superior screen and is rootable/unlockable or something due to the bootloader(?)
Being a tech junkie I crave speed and hate waiting for anything so the atrix loads web pages and programs faster so that seems appetizing at first. This has to be weighed against the "custom goodies" you can get with the infuse.
So basically please help, I have no idea what a locked bootloader means, why it is bad that the atrix has that, and what the "custom goodies" that come from having a rootable(?) phone are for the Infuse. My understanding is that the Infuse is more customizable (how exactly?). Really my understanding between these two phones is that besides the superior sound and video quality from the infuse (bigger size too) is that the atrix is faster and that has to be weighed against how customizable the infuse is. Sorry for the vague questions but I don't really know much, I realize I am posting on the infuse boards so the responses might be somewhat bias.
Sorry if this is the wrong place this is my first post and first quest into the world of smartphones...

Simple - Motoblur is a steaming turd that slows down phones and eats battery, and the locked bootloader of Motorola devices means that you are stuck with whatever turd Moto gives you. A lot of people felt that even the (slightly weaker than the Infuse) HTC Inspire was faster in actual usability for most tasks than the Atrix due to the crappiness of Motoblur.
With an unlocked bootloader, you aren't stuck with carrier bloatware and can nuke it. For now, an unlocked bootloader means only that we have de-bloated and tweaked variants of the stock ROM, however down the line, we can expect:
1) If another carrier (such as Rogers) releases an update AT&T doesn't, it can be used as a base for ROMs for our AT&T phones. Example - it's rumored the Canadians will get Gingerbread for the Infuse first.
2) Eventually with Infuses in the right dev's hands, we'll see AOSP or the Cyanogenmod source tree targeted at our device. Once that's the case, we'll likely track the latest and greatest Android versions with little delay.
You will never see either of 1 or 2 with an Atrix.

Also if you search the threads you will see a lot of people who came from the atrix and say this is not only a better phone, but faster

I dunno guys - it's looking more and more like the next Atrix OTA is going to have a bootloader unlock and if that really happens then I'm really going to regret leaving the Atrix behind for the Infuse.
Both are great devices. To make your decision ask yourself one question: What is more important to me? A device that works or a device I can customize to the max.
I think that'll help you make a firm decision.

I had the Atrix for almost 30 days. I rooted it on day 1. I loved the long lasting battery cause I use the hell out of my phone. That battery would easily last me a full day! From 8:15 am till around 20% left before I went to bed at 2 am lol the phone would lag once in a while though and people had a hard time hearing me when I spoke on the phone. So I returned it.
The Infuse is sweet so far! Also rooted on day 1. Just wish it had a battery similar to the Atrix and a dual core processor. Everything else is great as is!

kamui8899 said:
I am upgrading to a smartphone and really have no idea about anything... I am fairly tech savy with computers so I figured it was high time but after spending over 4 hours on anandtech comparing benchs and roaming the various sites I still feel like I don't know anything about smartphones...
At the moment I am hellbent on sticking with AT&T because I get a huge discount through my work (Grandfathered into unlimited data etc.)...
What I understand is that the Galaxy S2 or whatever is by far the best phone but it is also very expensive atm (800 dollars?) in U.S. and is not yet mainstream, so I can't spend that kind of money. I need my phone by sunday for work (job change), so I think the Atrix and Infuse are the two best 4G phones from AT&T...
Atrix has the dual core so it basically runs a little faster, smaller screen, matrix screen etc. etc.
Infuse is larger, maybe slightly longer(?) battery life due to single core, has a superior screen and is rootable/unlockable or something due to the bootloader(?)
Being a tech junkie I crave speed and hate waiting for anything so the atrix loads web pages and programs faster so that seems appetizing at first. This has to be weighed against the "custom goodies" you can get with the infuse.
So basically please help, I have no idea what a locked bootloader means, why it is bad that the atrix has that, and what the "custom goodies" that come from having a rootable(?) phone are for the Infuse. My understanding is that the Infuse is more customizable (how exactly?). Really my understanding between these two phones is that besides the superior sound and video quality from the infuse (bigger size too) is that the atrix is faster and that has to be weighed against how customizable the infuse is. Sorry for the vague questions but I don't really know much, I realize I am posting on the infuse boards so the responses might be somewhat bias.
Sorry if this is the wrong place this is my first post and first quest into the world of smartphones...
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From what I've read, the infuse is actually faster than the atrix. Even though the infuse has a 1.2 GHz single core and the atrix a 1GHz running at 2 cores, the infuse is faster since android is only being loaded on a single core for the atrix and to my knowledge, there arent any apps on the market that are able to multi-thread. I may be wrong but that's what I have seen. Also, the hummingbird processor on the infuse can decode(and hopefully encode with the gingerbread update) full HD faster than the atrix's tegra. I have also read that the atrix has some problems with overheating but I may be wrong. The infuse is a pretty good phone, granted the Touch Wiz UI is not as friendly as Sense UI, it is a hella lot better than Motoblur. For the battery life, the infuse is very good and lasting, i don't know about the atrix though. The screen on the infuse is just killer and has AMAZING colors, its basically a pocketable 4.5 inch 1080p HDTV, while the atrix is a smaller sceen(4 inch) phone with qHD display. I believe the infuse's screen is better though because its a SAMOLED(super active matrix organic light emiting diode) screen which eliminates some screen filters that normal LEDs, LCDs and TFTs have, making the colors wonderful. The atrix's qHD display does have 24bit color but i think that it comes short to the infuse. Hope you choose the infuse though. The possible gingerbread update will make it far more superior to most known phones. You wouldn't have buyers remorse

Hopefully I can help a little as I currently use "both" devices. They each have their pros and cons and it really tailors to what you "need" in a smartphone.
Keep in mind I am going from my perspective as a power user, display is off and phone not running some sort of app in the course of 12 hours for maybe 2 hours total.
The atrix succeeds in battery life, 7am to 7pm I still hold about 15-20%, infuse is being charged at that time, actually usually an hour before.
Atrix has better gps lock speed, I definitely rely on it more for road trips, although I have an issue where the gps and google nav use more power that what my cla replenishes "look into it if this is important to you"
Screen goes to the infuse hands down, people say oh qHD is more this and that, Super amoled plus is more this and that, well guess what. When I look at my infuse and turn on a video, I feel like im looking through a window into a little 4.5in world, its amazing
Considering almost ALL of us root, change, configure and who knows what else to personal our device I wouldn't listen to all the motoblur sucks, sense suck, tw sucks folks out there. Both of my phones look exactly the same and although the atrix should be faster the only time I see it win is when loading certain apps, other than that they are damn close so if phone speed is a concern, you can enjoy either one.
The Atrix is definitely LOUDER!! I tend to miss calls here and there with my infuse in the pocket and im outside, never miss a beat with the atrix, wtg moto. Reminds me of the old loud razor.
Screen real estate was a must for me for editing files so that was my win for the infuse, I love the large responsive display. It may only be .5 in but it makes a difference trust me
All in all they are both great devices and worthy of use. The atrix definitely wins in the poweruser world for its trusty gps, louder ringer (people don't like if you miss their call ) and longer battery life
for the entertainment or social user I would say infuse all the way, much much much better camera, larger display, more crisp, light, great size for web browsing, social networking, or just about anything. It has some things it lacks as mentioned but if those are not deal breakers than the infuse is definitely more FUN to own.
PS: They both run games exceptionally well and I have yet to see a hiccup during gameplay that actually affected me while playing.

Well, the Atrix bootloader was unlocked last night. So, we now have Gingerbread on our phones!

Infuse has
Better camera than the Atrix
far better screen
better stock software
Atrix has
better accessories
better feel/build quality
theoretically faster specs (although it doesn't translate to reality at this point)
probably better development now that it's unlocked as well, motorola devices seem to be easier to develop for than Samsung ?

skillz9669 said:
Considering almost ALL of us root, change, configure and who knows what else to personal our device I wouldn't listen to all the motoblur sucks, sense suck, tw
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I disagree on that - if the stock UI sucks and the manufacturer has gone through measures to make you unable to change it, then it's a severe liability.
Motoblur sucks and on most Motorola phones, you have no choice. Apparently that may be changing/have changed as of last night for the Atrix, but I still don't trust Motorola. The arrogance of some of the things they've said to the public is inexcusable.

Would you buy the Sensation again?

Considering buying the sensation this next week.
Would you buy the Sensation again - if you had the choice?

Yep.
My S4G build date was 6/2/11
Yep. I love everything about it although the screen could have been a little less... grainy shall we say. If you've seen it in person and like the screen then that won't be a problem. It's just as fast as my vibrant and thunderbolt when launching apps but it doesn't get bogged down like those two do. It just keeps chugging right along without slowing down. I've had rosie (the UI) relaunch once, and haven't been able to replicate it. It's also a dream to browse on. It might not be as smooth as a GS2 side by side but it'll pretty much blow most other handsets out of the water in that area. Gaming on it is nice too, and I find it's framerates are as good as the Galaxy S1 phones which is great especially given the extra resolution this phone has.
I can only produce the deathgrip by completely wrapping the phone tightly which isn't a natural thing. I think those that are complaining of the death grip need to not hold the phone like they're trying to strangle it. I also have big hands so that can't be used an excuse. When holding it naturally I get a full wifi signal all over my house which none of my other devices could do. GPS locks fairly quick, but not as fast as the thunderbolt. But it works to say the least, and compared to my Galaxy S1 it's lightyears better. Compass also works great.
It's wifi speeds are hitting as high as 17Mbs down and 14Mbs up which is pretty solid.
As far as "4G" speeds in my area i'm seeing between 7-8Mbs which is great although your mileage may vary depending on where you live. My Vibrant would only pull in speeds between 4-5.5 Mbs on a good day in these same areas. Verizon LTE in comparison blows t-mo's 4G speeds out of the water. It's consistently twice as fast as t-mo's. In real world performance it only launches youtube videos 1 or 2 seconds faster so it's not that big of a deal.
The build quality is amazing, and the best handset i've ever held. That includes the iPhone4. I showed it to a friend who has the Incredible and he was practically drooling at it's looks and how smooth the OS felt. I don't know about the design as it does allow a lot of lint behind the case. We'll have to see if that's becomes an issue with lint getting under the screen.
I've only had it for one full day now and simply love it. Sorry for the long post.

no im sick of this [email protected]#king phone this is my third one after constantly swaping with tmobile because of problems

phonegod said:
no im sick of this [email protected]#king phone this is my third one after constantly swaping with tmobile because of problems
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what problems, please explain

Every device has problems. I went through 3 G1's. None of the GS1's had working GPS. The N1 had a ton of problems, and the iPhone has problems. If you go looking for a problem you're going to find it whether it be with this device or not.

So far so good...it's a keeper and will only get much better once rooted!

Yes, love the phone! Coming from a G2 I was hesitant about leaving the keyboard but the screen size and swype has made the transition easy. I havent had any problems with the phone at all although I havent been trying to look for any. Overall this is the 1st phone that I've had that I felt was superior to the iphone 4. Kinda sick of comparisons to the SGS 2, theres about a 500-600 price difference right now and although the Galaxy 2 may be a better phone I think the S4G is a better value....either way theres nothing on the android app store that these phones cant handle...best phone Ive had period

Yeah. The only real problem is the WiFi death grip issue, but whatever.

[Q] S2 Vs Infuse - Real World Difference?

Hi
Just was wondering if there is a real, noticeable difference between the Infuse with its single-core and the Galaxy S-II with its Dual-core.
By "Real World", i mean for those of us who don't game on their phones
Thanks

Engadget just did a great piece on whether dual core is needed for a particular user. If you're a casual user (music browser phone text pics) then a single core phone is fine. Considering the infuse has the same shooter as the s2 and a bigger screen and gb soon, I think it's a better value but depending on the s2 pricing when it's stateside.
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yes! huge different! i mean the screen!
galaxy s2 with 4.27" looks like 4 inches!
i also have sony x10 with 4" inches, huge screen different on infuse 4.5"

The Infuse isn't in the same galaxy as the SGS II.
No matter how you slice it.

I had a dual core phone and I don't see a need for it until ice cream. I'm not a gamer I use my phone for web, email, text, music and Netflix. All of which run flawlessly on my Infuse. I can't see myself going smaller than a 4.5" screen again. The only thing I miss from my G2x is the HDMI mirroring. Granted the development base for the S2 is mind boggling, its not enough to persuade me to switch.
Sent from my Infuse. It is what it isn't.

Isnt the infuse just a captivate oc'ed to 1.2 and a bigger screen?
Sent from my Apex Blue JVR Samsung Captivate.

topiratiko said:
Isnt the infuse just a captivate oc'ed to 1.2 and a bigger screen?
Sent from my Apex Blue JVR Samsung Captivate.
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just
screen is super amoled PLUS.
camera 8mp+flash
SIZE DOES MATTER

topiratiko said:
Isnt the infuse just a captivate oc'ed to 1.2 and a bigger screen?
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It's an OC Captivate with a bigger screen, slightly better camera/ffc, more RAM and slightly better battery life. Can't forget pretend-4G either.
If Captivate is 1/10, and SGS II is 10/10, then Infuse is at best a 4/10.

MikeyMike01 said:
It's an OC Captivate with a bigger screen, slightly better camera/ffc, more RAM and slightly better battery life. Can't forget pretend-4G either.
If Captivate is 1/10, and SGS II is 10/10, then Infuse is at best a 4/10.
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which really means what if they are both running googles laggy buggy fractured os and samsungs bad drivers?
yes the gs2 is a remarkable piece of hardware but im not super thrilled about anything right now. maybe i'll get a nexus or an hd2 and put meego on it. forget new hardware and gaming/hd playback. there was nothing wrong with the old hardware, the problems are in the software.
apple with ios5 would look attractive if steve jobs wasn't the devil.

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apple with ios5 would look attractive if steve jobs wasn't the devil.
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He heard that and he knows where you sleep!!!

With a little development we can get it to a 6. If be plenty happy with that.
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It's an OC Captivate with a bigger screen, slightly better camera/ffc, more RAM and slightly better battery life. Can't forget pretend-4G either.
If Captivate is 1/10, and SGS II is 10/10, then Infuse is at best a 4/10.
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evostevo1 said:
With a little development we can get it to a 6. If be plenty happy with that.
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True.
In two weeks I shed my 40 hour a week job for no more than 20 hours a week of school. Then the fun can begin. Hopefully just in time for official GB.

The S2 against any phone currently is a big difference
...but I do like my big screen.
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Looking forward to that! I believe this phone has a reasonable amount of potential even if it is an over clocked captivate. Lol.
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True.
In two weeks I shed my 40 hour a week job for no more than 20 hours a week of school. Then the fun can begin. Hopefully just in time for official GB.
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apple with ios5 would look attractive if steve jobs wasn't the devil.
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iOS 5 makes it hard to hate on the iPhone anymore.
If Apple would open up just a little, tiny, bit... add Flash, and some other minor things, they could wipe out Android.
One thing is certain, the Nexus Prime better be a home run, or Android/Google is in trouble.

From my experience so far (I have both currently) I really enjoy both phones, but they are completely different. The 4.27 seems like a mile when the 4.5 Infuse is held next to it and since I do photography it's hard for me to put the Infuse down. I get MUCH better service in my area (middle of nowhere) drop fewer calls, people hear me better and I hear them better than the SGSII. I need to really push that because its important to me my Infuse doesn't just get slightly better service I can't convey enough how much better it is. In an area that At&t people do not have service (my captivate had none, my sgsII has none, other phones have none) the Infuse has 1 maybe even 2 bars it may not be 3G but enough to make a pleasantly clear call.
The SGSII is fast when I open up 5 or 6 tabs on dolphin browser with flash involved, switch over to Youtube and watch a video, pull my email and check one or two, shoot someone a text then switch back over to the browser.....but I get this busy on my phone maybe once a month. I then quickly realize what I'm doing is about to require a computer OR that a computer would just make things easier any way at that point.
Quick Compare:
Infuse has no issues that stand out to me, camera, speed (faster than my modded captivate when I ran Infused 2.0) screen quality colors a little washed I think because of resolution of a larger screen but difference was really negligible, microphone quality, speaker quality (phone and external) very smooth, Touchwiz 3 is boring: Touchwiz 4 would be amazing on a larger screen like the Infuse.
SGSII - Screen at 4.27 seems a mile away from 4.5 - Through daily regular "normal" use I notice NO difference between a dual core and a bump in RAM. Simple use of browser, email, phone, text etc. I see no speed advantage. I do not feel the OS or apps have been fully optimized to take full advantage of both cores. An extra 512mb and you may notice a difference in daily use but otherwise the rest would again be negligible. My microphone suffers from the clarity issue as others, NOT one single person understands a word out of my mouth on the S2 and I have tried every single fix. Because of this I have almost thrown this phone just like my captivate I stop only because I have much more invested and I intend to get my money back. I am quite frankly upset with the overall product. Part of my reason for picking it up was the development and how much it has already got designed for it, but when I have done everything possible to fix it with no luck its a hardware issue and I am not the only one that has suffered this. I do have a pink spot on the camera, this can only be seen on a white wall in the correct light, since I don't photograph white walls in medium light....this doesn't concern me. For the slightly yellow left side of the screen...I have that to - I never noticed it until I read about it. The microphone kills me and highly annoys anyone else on the phone. Search for the other posts on this if you want, but I assure you I will never spend almost $700 on another Samsung phone again that's for certain. I will be keeping my Infuse and enjoying its massive screen with great call quality and reception. Slower or not it's basic phone functionality is still intact for a price that is less than half as much as the SGSII.

MikeyMike01 said:
It's an OC Captivate with a bigger screen, slightly better camera/ffc, more RAM and slightly better battery life. Can't forget pretend-4G either.
If Captivate is 1/10, and SGS II is 10/10, then Infuse is at best a 4/10.
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Is SGSII has the same screen resolution as Infuse?

Nexus Prime or gtfo
Sent from my Infuse. It is what it isn't.

Infiniti350GT said:
From my experience so far (I have both currently) I really enjoy both phones, but they are completely different. The 4.27 seems like a mile when the 4.5 Infuse is held next to it and since I do photography it's hard for me to put the Infuse down. I get MUCH better service in my area (middle of nowhere) drop fewer calls, people hear me better and I hear them better than the SGSII. I need to really push that because its important to me my Infuse doesn't just get slightly better service I can't convey enough how much better it is. In an area that At&t people do not have service (my captivate had none, my sgsII has none, other phones have none) the Infuse has 1 maybe even 2 bars it may not be 3G but enough to make a pleasantly clear call.
The SGSII is fast when I open up 5 or 6 tabs on dolphin browser with flash involved, switch over to Youtube and watch a video, pull my email and check one or two, shoot someone a text then switch back over to the browser.....but I get this busy on my phone maybe once a month. I then quickly realize what I'm doing is about to require a computer OR that a computer would just make things easier any way at that point.
Quick Compare:
Infuse has no issues that stand out to me, camera, speed (faster than my modded captivate when I ran Infused 2.0) screen quality colors a little washed I think because of resolution of a larger screen but difference was really negligible, microphone quality, speaker quality (phone and external) very smooth, Touchwiz 3 is boring: Touchwiz 4 would be amazing on a larger screen like the Infuse.
SGSII - Screen at 4.27 seems a mile away from 4.5 - Through daily regular "normal" use I notice NO difference between a dual core and a bump in RAM. Simple use of browser, email, phone, text etc. I see no speed advantage. I do not feel the OS or apps have been fully optimized to take full advantage of both cores. An extra 512mb and you may notice a difference in daily use but otherwise the rest would again be negligible. My microphone suffers from the clarity issue as others, NOT one single person understands a word out of my mouth on the S2 and I have tried every single fix. Because of this I have almost thrown this phone just like my captivate I stop only because I have much more invested and I intend to get my money back. I am quite frankly upset with the overall product. Part of my reason for picking it up was the development and how much it has already got designed for it, but when I have done everything possible to fix it with no luck its a hardware issue and I am not the only one that has suffered this. I do have a pink spot on the camera, this can only be seen on a white wall in the correct light, since I don't photograph white walls in medium light....this doesn't concern me. For the slightly yellow left side of the screen...I have that to - I never noticed it until I read about it. The microphone kills me and highly annoys anyone else on the phone. Search for the other posts on this if you want, but I assure you I will never spend almost $700 on another Samsung phone again that's for certain. I will be keeping my Infuse and enjoying its massive screen with great call quality and reception. Slower or not it's basic phone functionality is still intact for a price that is less than half as much as the SGSII.
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agree as sg s2 is easily available in my country(India).
The screen size & quality of infuse is killer.
Really Kudos to Gtg that he has given Gingerbread to us.
I have observed no lag with this device.
I feel no need for S2
Is SGSII has the same screen resolution as Infuse?
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YES

Infiniti350GT said:
From my experience so far (I have both currently) I really enjoy both phones, but they are completely different. The 4.27 seems like a mile when the 4.5 Infuse is held next to it and since I do photography it's hard for me to put the Infuse down. I get MUCH better service in my area (middle of nowhere) drop fewer calls, people hear me better and I hear them better than the SGSII. I need to really push that because its important to me my Infuse doesn't just get slightly better service I can't convey enough how much better it is. In an area that At&t people do not have service (my captivate had none, my sgsII has none, other phones have none) the Infuse has 1 maybe even 2 bars it may not be 3G but enough to make a pleasantly clear call.
The SGSII is fast when I open up 5 or 6 tabs on dolphin browser with flash involved, switch over to Youtube and watch a video, pull my email and check one or two, shoot someone a text then switch back over to the browser.....but I get this busy on my phone maybe once a month. I then quickly realize what I'm doing is about to require a computer OR that a computer would just make things easier any way at that point.
Quick Compare:
Infuse has no issues that stand out to me, camera, speed (faster than my modded captivate when I ran Infused 2.0) screen quality colors a little washed I think because of resolution of a larger screen but difference was really negligible, microphone quality, speaker quality (phone and external) very smooth, Touchwiz 3 is boring: Touchwiz 4 would be amazing on a larger screen like the Infuse.
SGSII - Screen at 4.27 seems a mile away from 4.5 - Through daily regular "normal" use I notice NO difference between a dual core and a bump in RAM. Simple use of browser, email, phone, text etc. I see no speed advantage. I do not feel the OS or apps have been fully optimized to take full advantage of both cores. An extra 512mb and you may notice a difference in daily use but otherwise the rest would again be negligible. My microphone suffers from the clarity issue as others, NOT one single person understands a word out of my mouth on the S2 and I have tried every single fix. Because of this I have almost thrown this phone just like my captivate I stop only because I have much more invested and I intend to get my money back. I am quite frankly upset with the overall product. Part of my reason for picking it up was the development and how much it has already got designed for it, but when I have done everything possible to fix it with no luck its a hardware issue and I am not the only one that has suffered this. I do have a pink spot on the camera, this can only be seen on a white wall in the correct light, since I don't photograph white walls in medium light....this doesn't concern me. For the slightly yellow left side of the screen...I have that to - I never noticed it until I read about it. The microphone kills me and highly annoys anyone else on the phone. Search for the other posts on this if you want, but I assure you I will never spend almost $700 on another Samsung phone again that's for certain. I will be keeping my Infuse and enjoying its massive screen with great call quality and reception. Slower or not it's basic phone functionality is still intact for a price that is less than half as much as the SGSII.
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After my few hours with Both the US SGS2 and the infuse side by side I can't disagree more...and that is saying much. Previously I honestly thought the differences would be minimal
web Pages and apps just simply load faster, the screen definitely looks better, more vivid and less "breakage" (i guess response is the work I am looking for there)
It seemed much more capable of multitasking in comparison to the infuse. It didn't bog down and lag like my infuse does.
Gps locked immediately..battery life was unchanged during my testing (however this could be misleading..I noticed the stock rom on the infuse drops in 15% increments)
I almost say, yeah, I will be picking one up and rotating our phones down to the kids...but I want to know more about what HTC has planned for release in the coming months...and am curious to know more about the prime that we keep hearing about....though from everything I have been told...Verizon will be getting that one first.
Keep in mind that I will never...and I mean NEVER pay more than $200 for a phone haha.. I purchase every phone we buy on contract for the contract price. So I could definitely say that I would never pay $700 for a phone.