Hi there, im just wondering which phone is more future proof, i MIGHT be getting rid of 1 of them so i need 2 know which 1 i should keep. Which one of the phones is more future proof in terms of gaming?
By future proof i mean i dont want 2 upgrade in 2 years when my contract ends, i want the phone for about 3 yrs atleast.
I know Galaxy S2 has 4G and a bigger screen but on the other side of the coin the iphone 4S has a better graphics chip(dont know how much by) and i know games are always continually developed for iphones....hard decision, someone please help me make one lol
I want facts not just fanboy opinions for either device. 10 points best answer.
P.S: I already know that Andoid has less apps/games but most the ones i play are on Android.. so that particular issue aint really an issue for me.
I also want a phone that will continue running super smooth over the time also...the reason why i have both is because something about the largeness of the galaxy s2 screen keeps me coming back 2 it, but the games seem 2 run smoother on iPhone so its a hard decision
1. If i not mistaken Galaxy S2 has been awarded "The Phone of the Year",
2. S2 is more durable when come to drop test, you can easily find relevant video on youtube.
3. S2 has 1GB RAM, I4 has only 512MB, my guess is program run smoother on S2
4. Android Platform can multitask, I4 can't
5. Camera on S2 is 8MP while I4 is only 5MP.
6. S2 support 1080p while I4 support 720p
That all i can think of for the moment...
Definitely the s2. There's just more you can squeeze out of it in terms of gaming performance.
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I have to go with the Galaxy S2. Its just so nice looking.
lol are u guys just android fanboys?
gaming performance apparently the iphone 4s beats the galaxy s2 in gaming benchmarks..so how could u squeeze more out of it??
You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
Edit: woops i missed the "s" in your post.
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You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
Edit: woops i missed the "s" in your post.
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i actually did state what device i had... the 4S
vnvman said:
You didn't mention what iPhone you have. Anyway assuming it's at least an iPhone4 then you can bet your ass on it: iPhone all the way. It's not a matter of hardware, it's a matter of optimization: Modern Combat 2 runs much better on a 3gs rather than on an overclocked SGS2, just go on youtube and see it yourself. Every iOS game has better textures and better smoothness compared to its Android counterpart, regardless the hardware you're running it on; just have a look at some youtube game reviews and compare: it's really easy to see. Even Shadowgun, designed to take advantage of dualcore cpus still runs better on the iPhone4 rather that on my SGS2 which is tweaked like hell. There is no comparison: also, if i had to pick an Android right now mainly for gaming purposes (which is imho a bad idea anyway) i'd go for a Tegra device: sure they have their flaws and are overall slower compared to the Exynos chipset, but if you only care about games Nvidia makes good drivers and i'm pretty sure there is much headroom for improving the performance of this soc in terms of gaming.
On the other hand, talking about real life usage and overall performance and functionality the SGS2 is a much better device compared to the iPhone4, even slightly ahead of the 4s. Think about it, is it really worth it to pick up a device just because of the "gaming factor"? Not really imho. At the end of the day iPhones have more or less the same price of a decent desktop gaming rig: does it really have sense to throw so much money on a phone, if you really love games? Wouldn't you spend that money otherwise?
Edit: woops i missed the "s" in your post.
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I dont buy a phone just for gaming, i want an all round, best featured phone with gaming as a major part of it but i also want a phone that will atleast last me 2-3 years without NEEDING an upgrade. iphones are closed soure and i dont use itunes i purchase my music from other sources so android seems 2 be the go, but then why is iphone so popular and why do games/updates come out on them first usually?
peterdan1506 said:
I dont buy a phone just for gaming, i want an all round, best featured phone with gaming as a major part of it but i also want a phone that will atleast last me 2-3 years without NEEDING an upgrade. iphones are closed soure and i dont use itunes i purchase my music from other sources so android seems 2 be the go, but then why is iphone so popular and why do games/updates come out on them first usually?
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All in all it's a matter of personal preference: if you keep the GS2 now you probably won't *need* (unless you don't wanna use a case for it) an upgrade: the phone will still be overall fully functional and usable but i'm pretty sure that many console quality games coming out next year or so will lag on it, and probably software wise don't expect to go further than ICS...also, the lack of optimization within the Android platform makes you need better hardware in order to run the games that will be baked for the A5 chipset, wich is greatly superior to Exynos (about twice as powerful). Long story short this is what i mean: the phone itself won't be outdated soon, but the gaming part will take a severe hit quite soon (imho), because most of the games coming out will be first of all designed for the 4s, so they will obviously look worse on every other phone available at the moment. You will see that already when MC3 will hit the Android market: people will start complaining for the lag and the crappier textures compared to the iPad2/iPhone4s version.
Why do games come out on iOS first? This is pretty self explanatory: when developing a console quality game you have to take full advantage of the hardware of each device the said game will be released for. Doing this for nearly each Android device will be way too expensive for the software houses, and their income wouldn't improve much either: iPhone is still the most sold phone on Earth after all, and all together i'm pretty sure that Apple outsells Android talking about higher end devices, and games are meant mainly for those, so go figure... You also have to take into account that also the software differs quite a lot through androids, and i honestly don't know how well ICS will address this issue, we'll see. Another show stopper for devs is the fact that Android is easily hackable, so it's almost pointless to sell expensive high grade games on it. This said you're still right when you say that iOS is really locked down, but this is actually the price you have to pay for an unmatched software optimization. Oh, and about the iTunes thing, you don't need to buy music from itunes if you have an iPhone, just add the one you have to the library. Also, if you're an audiophile please note that the GS2 is very average (basically it sounds like a mid range phone) as a media player, while the 4s delivers much better sound quality.
the thing about the iphone's tho is that its a really small screen. so when playing mc3 i have 2 squint 2 see. whats the point on having console quality if its only on a small screen?
also, the gs2 has more RAM, double what iphone 4s has, that is another thing that gets me... but u are helping me a make decision.
To be honest, i dont think MC3 on the GS2 will be too much different graphically then it is on iPhone... thats why its not released yet, cos they need 2 optimize it for each and every android device hat is capable of playing it. All the faster GPU does is account for faster rendering, not better textures
i know you dont have 2 purchase music through itunes... but then u NEED a pc or laptop 2 be able 2 add the songs 2 the official music player library and playlists...do you not?
peterdan1506 said:
the thing about the iphone's tho is that its a really small screen. so when playing mc3 i have 2 squint 2 see. whats the point on having console quality if its only on a small screen?
also, the gs2 has more RAM, double what iphone 4s has, that is another thing that gets me... but u are helping me a make decision.
To be honest, i dont think MC3 on the GS2 will be too much different graphically then it is on iPhone... thats why its not released yet, cos they need 2 optimize it for each and every android device hat is capable of playing it. All the faster GPU does is account for faster rendering, not better textures
i know you dont have 2 purchase music through itunes... but then u NEED a pc or laptop 2 be able 2 add the songs 2 the official music player library and playlists...do you not?
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Yeah i know, infact i got the GS2 because i wanted a big, badass amoled screen and didn't care too much about games. Audio quality was a big let down to me tho, i was expecting it to sound at least as good as the SGS, which was really boss. Actually i tried to play MC2 on a friend's iPhone a while ago and the screen felt like a joke, but i got big hands, so that might have been just me. I really hope MC3 will be good, but i'm not very optimistic because MC2 was delayed too and was still quite rushed when it came out, and right now the Android version still has poorer textures. But who knows after all: Tintin came out in two different versions, for both high and low end devices, so there might be hope.
Talking about music afaik there isn't a way to load it on an iPhone without a pc, but i'm not really into iOS (as many here) so i'm not sure, maybe you can if you're jailbroken.
None of the above
Quad cores phones (HTC Edge) already made it on the stage, so that means everything dual core and single core will be obsolete or abandoned soon after, probably in a year or two
and there's no such thing as futureproof
when i7 CPU extreme black edition was the top of the line 3~4 years ago, now has been far surpassed by its younger brothers with 12 cores 2 years later (from 8 cores...)
so, just buy what you can afford today, and what you like best today.
if you are not in a hurry to get a new phone, then wait for as long as you can wait before getting a new phone, because 3 months down the row, a new and better phone is waiting for you
peterdan1506 said:
Hi there, im just wondering which phone is more future proof, i MIGHT be getting rid of 1 of them so i need 2 know which 1 i should keep. Which one of the phones is more future proof in terms of gaming?
By future proof i mean i dont want 2 upgrade in 2 years when my contract ends, i want the phone for about 3 yrs atleast.
I know Galaxy S2 has 4G and a bigger screen but on the other side of the coin the iphone 4S has a better graphics chip(dont know how much by) and i know games are always continually developed for iphones....hard decision, someone please help me make one lol
I want facts not just fanboy opinions for either device. 10 points best answer.
P.S: I already know that Andoid has less apps/games but most the ones i play are on Android.. so that particular issue aint really an issue for me.
I also want a phone that will continue running super smooth over the time also...the reason why i have both is because something about the largeness of the galaxy s2 screen keeps me coming back 2 it, but the games seem 2 run smoother on iPhone so its a hard decision
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My example
i switched phone provider, i needed a new phone, there was nothing decent at the time, i was forced to pick up the Nexus S with all its downside
so now that the SGS2 finally made its way, i switched to it right away, because that's the phone that can actually accomplish what i needed to do
but say for example if the Nexus S was able to meet all my needs, i wouldn't have bothered to upgrade to the SGS2, i'd probably have waited for Nexus 4 or SGS3 before getting a new phone
so it all comes down to your needs, and what you want to do with it, and if the phone is able to do what you want
@AllGamer: i agree, but we must not forget that it's not just a matter of hardware: most games still run better on an old as **** 3gs rather on the latest Android superphone. If the software (games or whatever) isn't optimized all the cores in the world won't make our gaming experience better, and this is especially true on a mobile platform.
lol its funny how ppl think old android devices will become obsolete. as th guy under all gamer.stated they still optimize games for older phones. my brother has a htc legend and most of the games are playable on that still through optimization and besides if needed u can overclock android devices cpu and gpu.
With that being said. Do ppl think games will still be made and optimized for dual devices like the
gs2?? As it would still be a very capable phone? Im new to android so what are peoples experience with past android game compatibility with phones??
i would go with the sg2... i will give advantage to the android system in general... even now it show its supremacy over iOS... and with no doubt it will become better
Well simply the iphone im a android fan at heart. But even I know the apple has the best reselling value for devices period. By the time the new iphone 5 comes out most people would of sold their iphone 4 or 4s by then to get it. You can get unreasonable amount of money for devices which are last gen on various selling sites.
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games that works in one phone will not work on another
mainly due Tegra, Exynos/Hummingbird, Qualcomm
then it comes the RAM sizes
so it's up to the game developer to provide support or not for their games
good example
Gameloft said they will no longer update Dungeon Hunter 1, which i paid for, but is not compatible with newer phone
other typical example Tegra games will not run on non tegras phones
some games are only available in certain models, some other are available in all, so it really depends on which games you plan to play, or might play in the future
depends
I think hardware wise, you're better with the android phone....
is you want to keep up with software, the iphone.
as an owner, for a year now, of a SGS1, and having it abandoned, if you're ok with the software that comes on it possibly being the only os update you get, and nearly no luck of them quickly releasing patches for bugs, then the SGS would be ok...
I'm not a big iFan, so am a little biased, but am jealous of the control apple has over their software updates...with the Iphone, you'll likely get fairly quick bug fixes pushed to your phone, and good chance your phone will get the next 1 or 2 os updates apple releases.
I think with the SGS, you'll be better with the larger screen...as I think phones are trending that way...and the more memory..and of course you get the future speed bumps as the carrier's 4g (3g+) tech gets updated and expanded....
personally...ny next phone is the nexus prime. updates straight from google, in a timely manner, and many of the specs similar to the sgs2.
just my 2 cents
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Hello,
Im choosing a phone from these 3 phones. I like samsung, but im confused because people still saying that desire is better than samsung. Samsung hardware is better. OS is the same. And samsung is getting 2,2froyo soon. HTC Sense UI is not important for me.
I think galaxy S is better, but i need gps and i heard that samsung galaxy S is bad with GPS. Samsung said that they fix this. Will they really fix? Its not the same when the apple tried to fix bad antenna with new iOS ?
Pleaser help to decide. What about ROMs for Galaxy S. quantity of them is smaller than desire, but maybe in the future they will increase ?
please people help to decide. i dont now much about them.
Please dont be so bad guys. Advice me. What phone to choose
Get the Galaxy S. You wont be sorry.
Galaxy S. Period
How about ROM's for galaxy S ? And i now that there's a OpenDesire for HTC Desire which makes desire super phone. Will be there something for samsung ? At least fixes or smthg?
Please answer me guys, i have a few hours to decide. I dont now much about androids
Galaxy S plus over Desire:
A bit larger Super Amoled screen
Storage
GPU
Cost
S/W Problems are getting fixed with new F/W updates
Battery life
Galaxy S negative points over desire:
Though the S/W problems are getting fixed with new f/w updates, they are being released too often, and often come with more problems.
The CPU "Hummingbird" has been called that it does 1,2x better on the same frequency as snapdragon. This is not truth anymore as latest builds are just as fast, for someone maybe a little more.
Somone said that the CPU might be overclockable to 1,6Ghz... NEVER. Well snapdragon is overclockable a bit higher then 1,4Ghz. But you need to overvolt it, NEVER use performance governor and basically... In short, the snapdragon CPU is H/W limited to a bit more then 1000 BogoMIPS. And it will cause problems. And so the hummingbird is. But because it's so optimized I can hardly think of any possibility why or how could it end-up with 1,6Ghz. It might go 1,4Ghz, but will have maybe even more problems then the snapdragon.
It looks iPhonish
It's support is... well come on it's still Samsung
H/W-wise it may be better, but just so in terms that you wanted a gaming phone, maybe movies phone. Everything else is the same.
It's bigger. Might be too wide for someone
The style isn't the right thing... Actually it's style I almost **** hate. 2cm on top and bottom, please kill me -.-' Though it may look good for someone, Desire looks better in terms of.. how do I call it... object placement?
The construction is good, but not as good as Desire's. (though some models shipped before summer had the the back side jarring/creaking. Unfortunately one of those is mine... but it stopped after I was pushing it/using it or what. Well it's okay now, in short. (Not a minus for desire)
It's pure plastic. Though really good plastic, clap clap for that. But it's plastic, so clap clap in Samsung's face.
Costs a liiitttleee more
Worser Custom roms.
Less accessories
A little worser community.. what am I talking about, it's just a bunch of whiney kids " GALAXY S IS BETTER YOU ***** MOTHERF*". Yeah about like that
And probably 1000 other reasons
Why Desire?
Better community, ROMs, speed, stabiliity, later battery life. Galaxy S maybe looks like less problems, but overall it's still the same thing, just a little bit enhanced. If you think you'll get more satisfaction with it, buy it. But if you don't specifically want a game phone, better get Desire...
Why NOT iPhone 4?
1.) Cost
2.) It's already very outdated
3.) Problems problems and problems
4.) iSheep
5.) The "awesome" Retina display is just the same decades old TFT display, it's so old, that's why they can make it higher DPI. But it's made by LG. In short LG = *************
6.) No changes from 3gs. And by changes I mean innovation. When I've heard about that there's new iPhone coming, I thought that it's gonna come with 2ghz-ish processor, 14mp cam... something for what it would be worth the money. And it's not. It's the same old CPU, just running 400Mhz faster frequency. iPhone 3gs 16MFlops, iPhone 4 19MFlops. (iPad 22-24Mflops)
7.) Loserphone
8.) Did I say loserphone?
9.) If even woman can use iPhone, what's the phone for men? Android TM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAIT A SECOND
What date is it??? OOOH DUDE!!! Get Desire HD or any of the new high-end HTC phone being announced 15th September. If it'll have Adreno 205 it'll be even faster then the galaxy s. Actually 1/3 times faster.
Desire HD with 4.3 . It will be very very big
I had a desire and now I'm using a I9000.
I must say that the Galaxy is lighter and faster. The screen looks amazing and the battery lasts much longer.
you won't regret buying either.
p.s. please stop spamming your thread
no spam no answers
Dany0 said:
Galaxy S plus over Desire:
A bit larger Super Amoled screen
Storage
GPU
Cost
S/W Problems are getting fixed with new F/W updates
Battery life
Galaxy S negative points over desire:
Though the S/W problems are getting fixed with new f/w updates, they are being released too often, and often come with more problems.
The CPU "Hummingbird" has been called that it does 1,2x better on the same frequency as snapdragon. This is not truth anymore as latest builds are just as fast, for someone maybe a little more.
Somone said that the CPU might be overclockable to 1,6Ghz... NEVER. Well snapdragon is overclockable a bit higher then 1,4Ghz. But you need to overvolt it, NEVER use performance governor and basically... In short, the snapdragon CPU is H/W limited to a bit more then 1000 BogoMIPS. And it will cause problems. And so the hummingbird is. But because it's so optimized I can hardly think of any possibility why or how could it end-up with 1,6Ghz. It might go 1,4Ghz, but will have maybe even more problems then the snapdragon.
It looks iPhonish
It's support is... well come on it's still Samsung
H/W-wise it may be better, but just so in terms that you wanted a gaming phone, maybe movies phone. Everything else is the same.
It's bigger. Might be too wide for someone
The style isn't the right thing... Actually it's style I almost **** hate. 2cm on top and bottom, please kill me -.-' Though it may look good for someone, Desire looks better in terms of.. how do I call it... object placement?
The construction is good, but not as good as Desire's. (though some models shipped before summer had the the back side jarring/creaking. Unfortunately one of those is mine... but it stopped after I was pushing it/using it or what. Well it's okay now, in short. (Not a minus for desire)
It's pure plastic. Though really good plastic, clap clap for that. But it's plastic, so clap clap in Samsung's face.
Costs a liiitttleee more
Worser Custom roms.
Less accessories
A little worser community.. what am I talking about, it's just a bunch of whiney kids " GALAXY S IS BETTER YOU ***** MOTHERF*". Yeah about like that
And probably 1000 other reasons
Why Desire?
Better community, ROMs, speed, stabiliity, later battery life. Galaxy S maybe looks like less problems, but overall it's still the same thing, just a little bit enhanced. If you think you'll get more satisfaction with it, buy it. But if you don't specifically want a game phone, better get Desire...
Why NOT iPhone 4?
1.) Cost
2.) It's already very outdated
3.) Problems problems and problems
4.) iSheep
5.) The "awesome" Retina display is just the same decades old TFT display, it's so old, that's why they can make it higher DPI. But it's made by LG. In short LG = *************
6.) No changes from 3gs. And by changes I mean innovation. When I've heard about that there's new iPhone coming, I thought that it's gonna come with 2ghz-ish processor, 14mp cam... something for what it would be worth the money. And it's not. It's the same old CPU, just running 400Mhz faster frequency. iPhone 3gs 16MFlops, iPhone 4 19MFlops. (iPad 22-24Mflops)
7.) Loserphone
8.) Did I say loserphone?
9.) If even woman can use iPhone, what's the phone for men? Android TM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAIT A SECOND
What date is it??? OOOH DUDE!!! Get Desire HD or any of the new high-end HTC phone being announced 15th September. If it'll have Adreno 205 it'll be even faster then the galaxy s. Actually 1/3 times faster.
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thank you very much ! Very helpfull post !
No problem, btw 4,3 is not big, my desire has 3,7' and I find it really small. (really)
And as far what I've seen, it will have really good construction.
Samsung galaxy S is a pretty solid phone it runs great it looks sleek its screen is what is known as gorilla glass which if you look up is pretty impressive kudos to samsung for choosing that as the screen had mine since the second day it was released and it barely has scratches on the screeen 2x kudos and i am very rough with my electronics, great resolution fast processor and highly modded it becomes a straight monster phone who cares if im running stock rom you would never beable to tell after all that i did to my phone the development section is small yes but there is so much you can do with it i cannot wait till more comes out for this phone
phone:samsung galaxy s*vibrant*
De-T-Mobiled, stock rom, launcher pro plus
euro boot screen,shutdown. lagfix *market*
Rock solid phone
cybertang said:
Samsung galaxy S is a pretty solid phone it runs great it looks sleek its screen is what is known as gorilla glass which if you look up is pretty impressive kudos to samsung for choosing that as the screen had mine since the second day it was released and it barely has scratches on the screeen 2x kudos and i am very rough with my electronics, great resolution fast processor and highly modded it becomes a straight monster phone who cares if im running stock rom you would never beable to tell after all that i did to my phone the development section is small yes but there is so much you can do with it i cannot wait till more comes out for this phone
phone:samsung galaxy s*vibrant*
De-T-Mobiled, stock rom, launcher pro plus
euro boot screen,shutdown. lagfix *market*
Rock solid phone
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See? that's exactly the type I was talking about...
MisterMonitor said:
Desire HD with 4.3 . It will be very very big
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Nope, the Desire HD will be about the same size as the Galaxy S. Look at the Evo, it's 2mm larger, 1 mm shorter than the Galaxy S, and 1 mm thicker (which is not really a sizable difference between the 2).
The Desire HD uses the whole space for the screen (where as the Galaxy S has 2 cm plastic at the top and 2 at the bottom).
I wanted to take the Galaxy S, but now I'm definitely waiting for the Desire HD.
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See? that's exactly the type I was talking about...
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But i heard that samsung have a buggy OS. And have no costum ROMs and etc. There's a lot of good roms for Desire, including the OpenDesire which makes your phone super
ravi84m said:
I had a desire and now I'm using a I9000.
I must say that the Galaxy is lighter and faster. The screen looks amazing and the battery lasts much longer.
you won't regret buying either.
p.s. please stop spamming your thread
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the galaxy s isnt faster lol everyone knows about the galaxy's poor memory management, even galaxy owners complain about lag when using messeges or dialer ect, the fact of the matter is, if you have an xbox and dont care about playing games on you phone, get the desire its by far the superior device, if you want it for games get the iphone lol
i were almost buying Galaxy S, but then i heard about super thing called OpenDesire. And heard that samsung OS is buggy, laggy. And no costum ROMs
Before I ask, I know there have been many threads about this topic, but my question is a little more specific than the rest. I get to upgrade my phone sometime in the next few weeks and one of these will be my first android phone. As a young artist, I am mostly looking for a phone which will take quality photos for good reference and preferably one which has video auto focus. I'm also a heavy internet user (about 5 hours a day on iPod Touch) but coming from iOS, I long for flash player. I also like to game a lot so the dual core cpu performance has to be somewhat decent with good speeds (better than my 4th gen touch at least lol). Lastly I'm a big media person with music a videos so I'm looking for a quality screen, support for multiple media formats (specifically mkv), decent speakers, and if possible, support for in-line headphones with volume, FF and RR (optional to come in the box, but if there are alternative working ones, please post below as I haven't found a solution with android devices and working in-line headphones). I've played around with my cousins EVO a lot so I've grown a liking to HTC Sense but I would also like to try out stock android sometime. And after a lot of time reading reviews and comments, I've taken a liking to the Galaxy S II's screen but I'm not a fan of TouchWiz. As previously stated, coming from an iOS user, I'm hoping one of these phones can either match or have greater quality with the screen in terms of brightness and contrast (not so much with resolution but mostly with colors, hue, and saturation). I'm hoping this narrows down the margin between these 3 phones.
P.S. I'm also hoping for one of these to have great dev support since I love to customize and test new tweaks.
EDITED - Also as an additional post, can you explain the batter life of the 3 as best as you can (even considering not having much info about the sensation)
I would say the G2X after LG fixes the Bleeding screen, restarts, and battery life issue. Both the GS2 and Sensatoin both have skins over android to which I've never been a fan of. 1st GS2 Engaget did a review and called it the best smart phone on the planet (the week before g2x was lol) but its made of plastic and its really thin so if the unthinkable happens and you drop the phone changes are its going to get jacked up and touchwiz. 2. Sensation Ive never been a fan of sense its a power hungry beast that needs to be removed. Just look at the battery life of the thunderbolt its really bad.
I had the G2X for a week and I loved it, its solid like my Nexus One it feels like a phone. I dropped it twice once on my tile floor and there were no marks and once on my naked foot to which brought me great pain. (lol) The G2X will have CM7 the galaxy s phones don't have CM support so why do you think that GS2 will? I plan on getting anothe G2x I'm just waiting until the 2nd line of them.
It honestly sounds like the Galaxy S II is just right for you. I know you say you dont like touchwiz (believe me I hate it) but the TW 4.0 or whatever its called looks really nice. From what I have seen it looks better than sense ui. Anyways, there have been battles between the G2X and the Galaxy S II and hardware wise the GSII always has the upper hand with camera, performance, screen, colors, etc.. However there are many things to consider. Do we even know what US carrier (if any) will receive the GSII? Also coming from the vibrant I swore up and down I wouild never buy a samsung phone again. Their lack of software support was just unacceptable. Im not even talking upgrades, just basic bug fixes. Development for this phone NEVER gave us a fully functioning stock android or AOSP ROM. Sure CM7 made a lot of headway and may still come to the galaxy s with all the fixes but right now it still has bugs and some things just dont work.
To make a long story short, I got the G2X because I wanted a stock android experience with a lot of developer backing (specifically cyanogenmod) and the specs of the phone are pretty amazing. Now it sounds to me like media and camera are more important to you so you may feel more welcome by the Galaxy S II if you dont care about aftermarket roms and such.
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coming from a vibrant, i can say that screen on the g2x is actually better and it being a stock android updates come faster and custom roms will also. I can't wait for the cyanogen mod either. I had battery issues but after resetting my phone the battery works just fine. they all have similar processors but the g2x being stock will get you better performance. I am a photographer also and am creating a photo journal with the g2x and it does the job well. good luck
i say go for SGS2, it works quite good out of the box and it has a great screen and you will absolutely appreciate the larger screen. Though im not really a fan of touchwiz.
I have g2x and going to return it today for SGS2.
There is no doubt in my mind that the dev support will be there for the sgs2 but it will be greater on the g2x just b/c of all the vanillaness.
The weight of the galaxy line is extremely light but believe me when I say that it is extremely durable. My old cliq felt like a brick but the second time I dropped that it stopped working completely so weight and feel have nothing to do with durability.
My vibrant has pretty much been through the equivalent of back to back fights with Manny Pacquiao and Anderson Silva only to come out as the new peoples champ. If you can wait, I would say try to see what all 3 of them are like and whether or not they come to your carrier. Its what I'm gonna do b/c I would hate to be stuck in another 2 year contract and not have the phone that I'm gonna own for atleast half of that time.
I have the same question, but new phones will probably come out because my next upgrade is in September. I really hate big phones and it seems phones are getting bigger and bigger. I really like the nexus s design (A lot!) And I like stock android, so I think I might wait until the nexus s2 comes out. Hopefully it stays a bit close to the design of the nexus s.
Sense isn't that power hungry the reason why the thunderbolt sucks on battery life is because of the lte network. A custom sense rom usually has no data drops. Like the aosp roms do.
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Sense isn't that power hungry the reason why the thunderbolt sucks on battery life is because of the lte network. A custom sense rom usually has no data drops. Like the aosp roms do.
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Each one of my friends who had a sense phone who switched to a custom rom w/o sense batter life increased alot.
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It honestly sounds like the Galaxy S II is just right for you. I know you say you dont like touchwiz (believe me I hate it) but the TW 4.0 or whatever its called looks really nice. From what I have seen it looks better than sense ui. Anyways, there have been battles between the G2X and the Galaxy S II and hardware wise the GSII always has the upper hand with camera, performance, screen, colors, etc.. However there are many things to consider. Do we even know what US carrier (if any) will receive the GSII? Also coming from the vibrant I swore up and down I wouild never buy a samsung phone again. Their lack of software support was just unacceptable. Im not even talking upgrades, just basic bug fixes. Development for this phone NEVER gave us a fully functioning stock android or AOSP ROM. Sure CM7 made a lot of headway and may still come to the galaxy s with all the fixes but right now it still has bugs and some things just dont work.
To make a long story short, I got the G2X because I wanted a stock android experience with a lot of developer backing (specifically cyanogenmod) and the specs of the phone are pretty amazing. Now it sounds to me like media and camera are more important to you so you may feel more welcome by the Galaxy S II if you dont care about aftermarket roms and such.
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Thanks for your input. Also as a CFW PSP user and a Jailbroken iOS user, I like to have a combination of both dev support and media features, so I wouldn't want to leave that out. I'm surprised that only one person gave consideration to the sensation when I stated how it was the only UI I've ever used so far on android, and I read how it had an HRD camera with auto focus video so I thought most would assume that as the better choice, but my only problem with it is how its rumored to not have an unlocked bootloader. I think atm I will go with the g2x but I hope to hear about some alternatives to getting inline music controls to work.
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coming from a vibrant, i can say that screen on the g2x is actually better and it being a stock android updates come faster and custom roms will also. I can't wait for the cyanogen mod either. I had battery issues but after resetting my phone the battery works just fine. they all have similar processors but the g2x being stock will get you better performance. I am a photographer also and am creating a photo journal with the g2x and it does the job well. good luck
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Thank you very much! when I saw still photos on the G2X compared to the S II, I thought it looked inferior, but being able to make a photo journal out of it seems to counter that argument. BTW is it possible for the camera to get an update for auto focus video recording like the Galaxy S Vibrant did? For camera usage, that is the only thing pushing me back from the G2X as well as the support for multiple video formats (which I hear the Galaxy S II will have based on the Exynos processor). Hope to receive some additional feedback.
If you go bluetooth you can get inline music control. I personally have and like the plantronics backbeats and the sweatproof motorola S-10 HDs. The backbeats are more flexible and easier to wear, while the S-10s are must haves for working out and sports.
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If you go bluetooth you can get inline music control. I personally have and like the plantronics backbeats and the sweatproof motorola S-10 HDs. The backbeats are more flexible and easier to wear, while the S-10s are must haves for working out and sports.
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i hear a lot of mixed things about bluetooth headphones. even though the sound quality is great and the music controls work, I cannot always depend on headphones which need charging. Having to charge one device already is enough so i am more suited for wired inline in ear headphones.
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There is no doubt in my mind that the dev support will be there for the sgs2 but it will be greater on the g2x just b/c of all the vanillaness.
The weight of the galaxy line is extremely light but believe me when I say that it is extremely durable. My old cliq felt like a brick but the second time I dropped that it stopped working completely so weight and feel have nothing to do with durability.
My vibrant has pretty much been through the equivalent of back to back fights with Manny Pacquiao and Anderson Silva only to come out as the new peoples champ. If you can wait, I would say try to see what all 3 of them are like and whether or not they come to your carrier. Its what I'm gonna do b/c I would hate to be stuck in another 2 year contract and not have the phone that I'm gonna own for atleast half of that time.
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Well not voting for the SGS2 here but I don't think Vanilla has any bearings on Dev Support, directly. Granted, I prefer vanilla and thus may contribute to its popularity, which, indirectly, popularity = dev support.
The only thing that matters is that the bootloader is unlocked and it is easily rootable and flashable. I mean once you get a CM rom on there, they all work the same.
I think Vanilla roms are more open to other variants like MIUI and the likes because they typically share the same partition structure. I know the G2x has a different structure and I think it is safe to say the SGS2 does too. Good thing that we are able to format and change the partitions to work across multiple roms.
The SGS2 was recently rooted and I think they found the bootloader to be unlocked. So it should be able to be flashed pretty easily.
One big factor that more people don't think about is the screen size. I have small hands (vs huge sausages) and the 4" screen of the G2x pushes my comfort zone. I think 4.3" would be too much and I would be fumbling it while trying to do one handed operations.
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
Nothing like buying a new toy and finding that it doesn't work with the latest HD games.
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that is the only thing pushing me back from the G2X as well as the support for multiple video formats (which I hear the Galaxy S II will have based on the Exynos processor). Hope to receive some additional feedback.
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As far as multiple video formats, I don't think this has much to do with physical hardware as it does software. While I am most certainly not an expert, I have played a range of videos on my phones. Wouldn't all you need is a Video app that has the correct codecs and support for such file types?
I mean, really, not picking one device over another based on media format is just insane to me and defies all logic. I mean how easy is it to convert between formats, come on. I'd say that if you using a less common format or one that isn't widely available, you are only asking for trouble anyway. Most of the video I find online are either MP4 or avi and have no problem playing them on my device. If you are ripping it yourself, just save it in a format you can use.
This is a very good player, plays many formats
http://market.android.com/details?id=net.thefluxstudio.implayer
Player911:
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
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I'm quite surprised that the SGS2 folks have a buyers remorse, especially after reading your post. I was having remorse with the G2x since it just has 512MB ram and the GS2 kicks the G2x to the curb on every bullet point except Value for money/cost (I'm buying off contract). I'm also very surprised when you implicitly state that Orion cannot run Tegra games even though it's way faster than tegra.
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I'm quite surprised that the SGS2 folks have a buyers remorse, especially after reading your post. I was having remorse with the G2x since it just has 512MB ram and the GS2 kicks the G2x to the curb on every bullet point except Value for money/cost (I'm buying off contract). I'm also very surprised when you implicitly state that Orion cannot run Tegra games even though it's way faster than tegra.
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Dont just look at numbers (1ghz dual core vs 1.2 dual core) RAM numbers, etc.
It has been said the 1ghz Tegra 2 is a better processor overall, and you really dont need more than 512mb of RAM since Android closes apps on its own when memory gets low. You wont see much if any performance increase from merely more RAM.
Lets not forget Samsung's recent past with its Galaxy S line having broken GPS, wonky file systems that slowed down phones, and bootloaders locked.
I wouldnt just yet say the SGS2 is a better device because how it looks on paper.
>It has been said the 1ghz Tegra 2 is a better processor overall, and you really dont need more than 512mb of RAM since Android closes apps on its own when memory gets low. You wont see much if any performance increase from merely more RAM.
I'm not sure about that. Both use dual Cortex A9s. The difference in hardware between the two is the GPU. We all know Tegra 2 uses GeForce ULP but I'm not sure what the Exynos uses(SGX or Adreno).
I concede my point to your statement about the RAM, since I only recently learnt about memory management in Android (this is my first Android). I'm pretty sure Sammy must have fixed the GPS issues, since if they don't I'd lose all respect for them.
Oh OP, one thing you might want to consider is that the Galaxy S2 does not have an HDMI out port. They say it's got some USB-HDMI cable though.
Also, it depends on your hands. The G2x itself is a pretty big device in my opinion, and seeing that the SGS2 has a 4.3" screen it's going to be much bigger.
Definitely sgs2
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Well not voting for the SGS2 here but I don't think Vanilla has any bearings on Dev Support, directly. Granted, I prefer vanilla and thus may contribute to its popularity, which, indirectly, popularity = dev support.
The only thing that matters is that the bootloader is unlocked and it is easily rootable and flashable. I mean once you get a CM rom on there, they all work the same.
I think Vanilla roms are more open to other variants like MIUI and the likes because they typically share the same partition structure. I know the G2x has a different structure and I think it is safe to say the SGS2 does too. Good thing that we are able to format and change the partitions to work across multiple roms.
The SGS2 was recently rooted and I think they found the bootloader to be unlocked. So it should be able to be flashed pretty easily.
One big factor that more people don't think about is the screen size. I have small hands (vs huge sausages) and the 4" screen of the G2x pushes my comfort zone. I think 4.3" would be too much and I would be fumbling it while trying to do one handed operations.
Having bought a G2x from a N1... I can say I'm extremely happy. I've been reading the SGS2 forums trying to stir up some internal buyers remorse... but I can honestly say that I would still pick my G2x over the SGS2 again. To me Tegra>Orion justifies AMOLED>LCD. I think NVidia will really push some developers to create some great games and I don't want to be stuck on the sidelines wishing I could get in on the action. Unable to play some of the newer "HD" (Only for Tegra) games are really making some of the SGS2 owners unhappy.
Nothing like buying a new toy and finding that it doesn't work with the latest HD games.
As far as multiple video formats, I don't think this has much to do with physical hardware as it does software. While I am most certainly not an expert, I have played a range of videos on my phones. Wouldn't all you need is a Video app that has the correct codecs and support for such file types?
I mean, really, not picking one device over another based on media format is just insane to me and defies all logic. I mean how easy is it to convert between formats, come on. I'd say that if you using a less common format or one that isn't widely available, you are only asking for trouble anyway. Most of the video I find online are either MP4 or avi and have no problem playing them on my device. If you are ripping it yourself, just save it in a format you can use.
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Coming from iOS, I am tired of having to convert all of my videos to mp4 format and having little knowledge of android from not having owned one just increases my curiosity on the matter since the SGSII specs list stated that the Exynos processor has more support for video formats than tegra 2. Being able to directly download and play any format is one thing I am looking for in one of these phones so that is why I asked the question. Some of the videos I download are dual audio and subbed mkv's and having to download multiple programs to get the subtitles and audio working on a mobile device is very time consuming so having support for multiple codecs would make things a whole lot easier.
I have been able to upgrade through at&t but I do not know what phone to get either the galaxy s ii or the iphone 4s. I know there is not a jailbreak out yet for the iphone but it will be soon. I have yet to mess with the gs2 but have done a lot of research on both. My brother has the 4s, nice phone great performance. I am a cnc programmer ( machinist) so cad software is nice on a device in my pocket. All the research I have done and videos always leads to some type of fan-boy ranting. I like the larger screen the gs2 has but I also like the i message feature considering I do not have unlimited text but do have unlimited data. I like gaming and such also. If someone here can give me some advise on the ups and downs of both phones please?
Do you have any experience with iOS or Android? I upgraded from an iPhone 4 to an S2, and for me the S2 is a much better phone, and Android is a much better (and to me more intuitive) OS. But I love to customize, love the flexibility, and need various features that iOS doesn't have. I don't know what your needs are, but I'm not going back to an iPhone.
I’m in the exact same boat as you and I was torn between these two phones as well. Technically, I’m torn between the Epic 4G Touch and the i4S on Sprint, but the hardware is very similar. Ultimately, I’ve decided to go with the GS2.
Between the two, the performance right now is basically identical, though benchmarks put the GS2 ahead. Webpage, app, and other load speeds are nearly identical, though I’ve played with an i4S and I will say it is sometimes freakishly fast. Both have voice search/assistant-type features (Apple’s Siri is probably ahead). And camera quality is the same. This PC World comparison shows GS2 slightly ahead of i4S and even beating a standard point-and-shoot in some applications.
The decision for me came down to customization and “future-proofiness” of the phones. Apple has great support for their phones and releases updates like clockwork. Samsung is terrible at releasing official updates (we JUST got official Gingerbread on the OG Epic 4Gs). However, here at XDA there are tons of DIY Devs that release tweaks, updates, mods, and ROMs for Android that help keep you ahead of the curve. In addition, the hardware on the i4s (3.5” display [small], 512mb RAM [low]) may leave you wanting in a year, while the GS2 should keep you through to your next upgrade (faster processor, larger screen, 1gb RAM, expandable memory, etc). Beyond that, ICS just got released and has been confirmed for the GS2 sometime next year. Apple is starting to show discrepancies between their phones with only the i4S getting Siri. What will they cut you out of when the next iteration of the iPhone comes out?
As for your concerns on CAD software and gaming, I think that’s going to be a wash too. Both have AutoCAD WS for example, as well as other CAD programs (quick Googling turns up a lot), so it may just come down to which specific program has everything you want.
Gaming is a point of contention and it may come down to preference. iOS has more developer support than Android (personally, I too prefer Objective C [iOS] over Java[Android]), so there seems to be more and potentially better games on the iPhone, especially casual ones, but there are more free games on Android. Most games are ported to both platforms nowadays so it may not matter soon. Back to my future-proofiness point, with more RAM and a higher clock speed, the GS2 should be able to handle more graphically complex games than the i4S so newer games may work better on the GS2 in the future.
Sorry for the long post, but I went back and forth over this forever so I know what you’re going through. The real decision comes down to which has more of what you like. If you like DIY customization, potential future-proofiness, and the CAD software on Android, go GS2. If you like the constant support and huge app library of iOS, then get an i4S. Most other things will be too close to make a difference.
Also, there’s the exact same question asked here.
Thank you for your input. This is a hard choice. my brother seems to think that I would be much better off with the 4s but I believe he is more on apples side because he has had every iphone made. He did say that the apps are just a better quality for the iphone. I can not comment on that yet because I have yet to use both devices for any amount of time. I do plan on gaming, and the 4s has a .200 smaller screen than my current phone does but it has i message which will be handy on saving texts. I know that the gs2 is fast and really fast with some of these custom roms I guess it comes down to apps and screen size.
Android all the way!!! Sure the iPhone is sexy, sleek, slender, and all sorts of other terms involving alliteration, but the main deciding factor for me would be customization...... Are you an avid flasher of custom ROM's? If so this is a no-brainer. My vote is ANDROID, but those 4S's sure are easy on the eyes and they do feel sturdy.....That is all relative when compared to the awesomeness that is the open source market. XDA Developers all the way! I love the freedom of Android and the massive array of great dev's out there who make our phones that much better and provide us with all the goodies that we desire.
I have never owned a apple device nor a android device. I have a windows mobile device in which i have flashed about 200 roms onto it. I do like tweaking and making it faster with better battery life. I have been sorta stuck in the past with no good games and apps for windows mobile. I have had so many points where my brother shows me a new game and they done make it for windows mobile. I like games like that new modern combat and such. I guess I will have to mess with both units more before making a sure choice.
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Android all the way!!! Sure the iPhone is sexy, sleek, slender, and all sorts of other terms involving alliteration, but the main deciding factor for me would be customization...... Are you an avid flasher of custom ROM's? If so this is a no-brainer. My vote is ANDROID, but those 4S's sure are easy on the eyes and they do feel sturdy.....That is all relative when compared to the awesomeness that is the open source market. XDA Developers all the way! I love the freedom of Android and the massive array of great dev's out there who make our phones that much better and provide us with all the goodies that we desire.
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same from my side..
Think the screen will be a "big" factor... I debated too; the screen was one of the things that won me over. Plus, using CADanything on the little 4S will get old quick.
Galaxy s 2 for gods sake!!
I have made a decision on what to get. I am going to go with the Samsung galaxy s2. The screen size is winning me over. I do not think I will root it right away. Or should I? Just get the thing running at top notch. My bro is already saying we will have to do a comparison after apple starts making games and apps that their 4s will utilize. We will see . I have never rooted a android device before but many wm roms have been flashed. I will have to read up on it.
I want to thank everyone for their thoughts on this. I have to start reading up on rooting. Thanks again guys.
I have a Galaxy s2. that thing is a beauty. you won't regret it
Just moved from iphone my self the screen sucked me right in,and def you should root or use CF root if you want to stay on stock rom their is a great how to right here on this site.
So I made this video to put an end to this nonsense myth about lagging propegated by people who have no idea at all what they're talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPqXwerQZps
As can be seen the S2 is the only device which performs smoothly on all fronts. The menu is smooth, webbrowser is smooth and gaming is smooth.
The iPhone 4 has problems loading taxing sites and clearly does lag in a very annoying way. I can also point to several situations where the iPhone 4 clearly lags in a very annoying way. Didn't have games on there but gaming is good as we all know very well.
WP7 has a smooth menu and everything looks nice. Does lag in the browser but it's not as annoying as the iPhone 4. Altho the main menu is smooth some apps do lag horribly, like the Xbox Live app. Gaming is horrible on this device altho I hear it's better on the Lumia 800.
All devices are Wifi N but the S2 is the only one who achieves good rates. The LG is the phone with the worst download rate and the iPhone 4 comes in second.
I know both youtube and 9gag have mobile sites which work better but I picked these sites off the top of my head as a showcase. There are enough sites out there which do not have a mobile site and are taxing to load.
So in conclusion, S2 Android is the best and doesn't lag, iPhone 4 doesn't lag usually but when it does it is the worst. Also there are several case in which the phone starts lagging so bad that it feels as if the phone has crashed.
WP7 has mediocre lag, the lag is there but workable.
All phones have been hard reset, I was in the process of reinstalling my S2 when the idea occurred to me. This is why the S2 has some apps on it and both the iPhone 4 and LG are stock and fresh.
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Why not test the iPhone 4s?
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Why not test the iPhone 4s?
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I don't have one here rightnow but I can say that it's webbrowser is more or less the same.
The only real improvement the 4S has to offer on the lag front is the following. If you have a lots of menu pages (8 pages is best for demonstration but it starts at 5), you go to the end of your menu and then press home. You'll see that on the 4 it clearly starts to lag and on the 4S this doesn't happen.
I wanted to film this too but it would take too much effort to fill the menu with apps right now, maybe later. I think the point has been made and as you can see the iPhone isn't the holy grail of lagfreeness some might have you believe.
Zee, where you at bro? I'm waiting for you to debunk this guys whole arguement, because anything you don't experience, absolutely can't be possible. Right?
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Zee, where you at bro? I'm waiting for you to debunk this guys whole arguement, because anything you don't experience, absolutely can't be possible. Right?
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I don't know who this Zee is but I'd welcome his input. I made this thread to open up discussion not to start a flame war. The video it self isn't perfect and open for criticism but I didn't make it to be perfect. I made it just to show there is lag in Apple.
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I don't know who this Zee is but I'd welcome his input. I made this thread to open up discussion not to start a flame war. The video it self isn't perfect and open for criticism but I didn't make it to be perfect. I made it just to show there is lag in Apple.
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You welcome Zee's output but you don't want to start a flame war?You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Anyway,talking about what 1gb of RAM can be used for...
I did a vid last night to show lag free ui using screencast but not uploaded it anywhere yet, even capturing video and superimposing a visual pointer to show where and when touches happened on screen in realtime I was able to swipe through screens and folders etc with no lag.
In fact it was so quick you barely see the pointer on screen where I touched screen to initiate action but still people say it lags.
Only lag I notice is opening or installing apps on stock gb rom.
I saw zee mentioned, surprised he hasn't commented yet as usually android lag is something he comments on. He has wp7 and android and says that android has lots of lag where wp7 is flawlessly smooth. Be interesting to see his take as he has used all phone systems whereas I haven't so can only speak from experience of android but to me the ui doesn't lag.
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Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.
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Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.
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WP does not even support dual core cpu yet.
When people says that iphone doesn't lag they mostly mean that it has 60fps buttersmooth interface without any dropped frames most of the time (In my opinion incorrect use of the word lag though).
It is physically impossible to show such smoothness on a 30fps hard compressed youtube video that isn't captured in sync with phone screen refresh rate.
I find my SGS2 pretty smooth most of the time, so I'm not defending iPhone (in fact I dislilke iPhone...), but your video is not enough to visualize the smoothness of the phones.
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Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.
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Iphone 4S has dual core as well.
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The test isn't perfect but it's fine i guess. Honestly tho the comparison is a bit ubalanced imho: you compared the fastest android device on the market (i know how good it is, i owned one for 5 months) with possibly one of the slowest and oldest WP7 devices, and ofc the iPhone4 is as well a piece of history nowadays. To be fair you should have compared similar hardware: the LG phone you have there has the same hardware (cpu+gpu) as the HTC Desire, but compared to it the Desire feels like a sluggish piece of **** (not talking out of my ass, i've been using one for over a year), even if you tweak it and OC it like hell. Anyway there's no denying that right now even with the latest hardware WP7 sucks badly in terms of gaming, and the few games we have are insanely overpriced. Android has good hardware and good games, and many free ones look way batter than most "top" WP7 games; not that i really care tho, i'm not a heavy gamer and therefore this doesn't bother me much. Anyway in terms of usability WP7 is a pretty sweet spot between Android and iOS imho: it's, refreshing and new, pleasant to use out of the box and you don't have to spend 600€ nor hack the phone in order to have a smooth and consistent experience.
To each their own i guess...
vnvman said:
The test isn't perfect but it's fine i guess. Honestly tho the comparison is a bit ubalanced imho: you compared the fastest android device on the market (i know how good it is, i owned one for 5 months) with possibly one of the slowest and oldest WP7 devices, and ofc the iPhone4 is as well a piece of history nowadays. To be fair you should have compared similar hardware: the LG phone you have there has the same hardware (cpu+gpu) as the HTC Desire, but compared to it the Desire feels like a sluggish piece of **** (not talking out of my ass, i've been using one for over a year), even if you tweak it and OC it like hell. Anyway there's no denying that right now even with the latest hardware WP7 sucks badly in terms of gaming, and the few games we have are insanely overpriced. Android has good hardware and good games, and many free ones look way batter than most "top" WP7 games; not that i really care tho, i'm not a heavy gamer and therefore this doesn't bother me much. Anyway in terms of usability WP7 is a pretty sweet spot between Android and iOS imho: it's, refreshing and new, pleasant to use out of the box and you don't have to spend 600€ nor hack the phone in order to have a smooth and consistent experience.
To each their own i guess...
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He may have compared the fastest android phone on the market, but the simple fact of the matter is that the GSII has outsold any other android device by far (over 15 million). I still believe more people have an Iphone 4 and not a 4s, and is there a such thing as a popular WP7 device? So either way he is comparing the top sellers of each OS.
lowandbehold said:
He may have compared the fastest android phone on the market, but the simple fact of the matter is that the GSII has outsold any other android device by far (over 15 million). I still believe more people have an Iphone 4 and not a 4s, and is there a such thing as a popular WP7 device? So either way he is comparing the top sellers of each OS.
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Sure but is this little LG phone the top selling WP7 device? I hope not.
I still think that the simple fact that most people have a specific phone doesn't make it the best one. If it was so then the Galaxy 5 aka i5500 would be an amazing phone compared to the Titan, but last time i checked it was a cheap low end Android and sucked balls. Ok sorry, just kidding.
Anyway call me weird, but i still think that a fair comparison is the one between devices with at least comparable specs (or at least price tags), rather than the one between those with comparable sold units. I know there isn't such a thing as a dual-core WP7 device, but there's quite a big difference between a Snapdragon [email protected] and a Snapdragon [email protected], believe me.
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Sure but is this little LG phone the top selling WP7 device? I hope not.
I still think that the simple fact that most people have a specific phone doesn't make it the best one. If it was so then the Galaxy 5 aka i5500 would be an amazing phone compared to the Titan, but last time i checked it was a cheap low end Android and sucked balls. Ok sorry, just kidding.
Anyway call me weird, but i still think that a fair comparison is the one between devices with at least comparable specs (or at least price tags), rather than the one between those with comparable sold units. I know there isn't such a thing as a dual-core WP7 device, but there's quite a big difference between a Snapdragon [email protected] and a Snapdragon [email protected], believe me.
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So to even out the comparison he should be using and android device that is a year and a half old?
I'm actually surprised at the lack of attention this thread is getting, seeing as there have been quite extensive (and usually unproductive) discussions on this subject I was expecting people to flock to this thread.
The iPhone 4 / 4S is irrelevant IMO. The iPhone 4S has only been released recently and isn't mainstream yet. Past discussions have always concerned the 4 for one and the 4S does nothing to solve the issues I've demonstrated.
As for the question: "Why these phones", these are the ones I had in the shop at the time. I'll see if I can update or add when I have other devices.
As for my credentials, I own several repair shops (yes actual physical shops not somebody who works at home). I pride myself in being able to repair just about any phone with any issue unless it has water damage. I have most popular phones in stock and I also deal in used phones. Thus I have easy access to all the phones and I also get to play with all of them.
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I'm actually surprised at the lack of attention this thread is getting, seeing as there have been quite extensive (and usually unproductive) discussions on this subject I was expecting people to flock to this thread.
The iPhone 4 / 4S is irrelevant IMO. The iPhone 4S has only been released recently and isn't mainstream yet. Past discussions have always concerned the 4 for one and the 4S does nothing to solve the issues I've demonstrated.
As for the question: "Why these phones", these are the ones I had in the shop at the time. I'll see if I can update or add when I have other devices.
As for my credentials, I own several repair shops (yes actual physical shops not somebody who works at home). I pride myself in being able to repair just about any phone with any issue unless it has water damage. I have most popular phones in stock and I also deal in used phones. Thus I have easy access to all the phones and I also get to play with all of them.
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Oh it will get attention, trust me...the trolls are still asleep!
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So to even out the comparison he should be using and android device that is a year and a half old?
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Not really, picking a "high end" one like the Titan or the Lumia should be fair enough imo. I have this Omnia W here which should behave fine enough (despite being a mid range phone it still packs the latest gen WP7 SOC) but unfortunately I sold my GS2 a couple weeks ago because I was low on cash, so I can't make a decent comparison myself.
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Not really, picking a "high end" one like the Titan or the Lumia should be fair enough imo. I have this Omnia W here which should behave fine enough (despite being a mid range phone it still packs the latest gen WP7 SOC) but unfortunately I sold my GS2 a couple weeks ago because I was low on cash, so I can't make a decent comparison myself.
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I've had a Lumia 800 here and to be honest it doesn't matter that much. Games are still jerky, the XBox Live app is the same and the browser is the same. When it comes to specs most WP7 devices aren't that much different from one and other. The Lumia 800 has better specs but that bit extra doesn't really make a big difference in the end.
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I've had a Lumia 800 here and to be honest it doesn't matter that much. Games are still jerky, the XBox Live app is the same and the browser is the same. When it comes to specs most WP7 devices aren't that much different from one and other. The Lumia 800 has better specs but that bit extra doesn't really make a big difference in the end.
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Yeah I wasn't talking about games, we all know they suck on WP7. But as far as regular usage is concerned my Omnia W feels a lot snappier compared to the Omnia 7 I've had for a few months. Ofc there's no night and day difference, but they are different to be honest.
My contract is coming up for renewal in late February and I'm thinking of replacing my phone with a new Android device. I realize this might be the wrong forum section to post in, but who better to ask than my fellow Shield lovers.
I had a Galaxy Note (original) and a Galaxy S2 prior, and they weren't bad. For the time Touchwiz, and a poor email client really put me off of Android as a phone primarily for me is a communication device, but I still like to have fun with it.
I ended up going back to Blackberry and have been rocking a Z10 for a long time. But won an iphone 5s through work and have been using that for about the past year. I bought a Z30 recently as it was being sold at a stupidly low price new in box from factory and I am sick and tired of the small screens and piss poor battery life of the iphone.
I also have a first gen Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, and I've been complaining about it for the past 6-10 months because of it's size and weight and now that apps are being optimized for newer OS versions it's getting really slow. So my wife bought me a Shield for Christmas and I absoltuley love it!
I love how the UI is on this tablet and now know what all the fuss is about for Andorid. Touchwiz ruins the experience in my opinion. So I'm thinking for my new phone I'm going to get a Lollipop device for sure...the question is which one?
I don't want a Nexus as I don't like the idea of non-expandable memory and my 64gb card in my Sheild is getting pretty full, no way I could survive with a device that isn't at least 64gb (my iphone is 64gb and is usually between 50-60gb loaded up with music and media.)
So which device has a UI that is as close to the Shield as possible with expandable memory and isn't the size of a house. 5" is about my max screen size. There is no need to go larger as I already have the Sheild, and I want it to be pocketable. I got rid of my Note because I just kept leaving it on my desk. I would also love to get a 16-20 hour day with heavy use. FWIW my iphone 5s is completley dead by the time 2:00pm rolls around when it comes off the charger at 5:30am. I'm usually not near a charger again until 6:30-7:00pm on average. It's going to be a lot to ask but a 5:30am to 10:00pm battery life would be fantastic...
If you want a stock OS look and MicroSD, get the HTC M8 Google Play Edition. Stock Android, front speakers, and MicroSD support just like the ST.
Not going to be a popular opinion around here but the iPhone 6 gets much much better battery life than the older ones, if you are already invested into iTunes that may be a valid option for you. For me I have the 6 plus and it is cool because I get awesome battery life and then I get completely different games then the ones that are available on my shield tab so I have pretty much the best of both worlds.
Also my reason for going to the iPhone is because I have ATT and needed a carrier subsidized phone, tried the Nexus 6 it is utter crap build quality and the Note 4 is not even rootable, there is not much else that is really modern on ATT.
As far as gaming ready devices, all Qualcomm Snapdragon devices fall into a mediocre range. None of them are really "smooth" at gaming and all of them work hard to provide perpetual fluidity. Bad video drivers and non-existent high clock efficiency mean those devices scale vey poorly, and gaming takes a monstrous drain on the battery for even simple 2D games. If you are looking for a device which can handle gaming in a manner similar to the shield (and aren't too concerned with what you might lose) then tegra phones and iPhones are your best option objectively. It's impossible to recommend a Qualcomm device as better for gaming. If you are just looking for a simple phone with light gaming, then something like the upcoming HTC M9 or a likewise lollipop based device would be fine. But if gaming is your concern (which you don't seem to mention) then my above statements hold very true.
All "stock" suggestions should definitely fly with "but shall include excessive Google bloatware that wouldn't be accepted from Samsung or any other OEM." That much said, crap like Drive Earth Docs Sheets Slides Newsstand Books Music Movies Plus Fit Now Wallet Keyboard Chrome and the ever constant location stalker CAN be disabled quite easily.
Preliminary reports say the S5 is shaping up to perform amazingly on Lollipop. A simple comparison of this tablet and the Nexus 7 and the iPad-Mini-esque Nexus 9, has shown me that it's all about the implementation of lollipop, not comparing who has the biggest version number, that is essential in determining which device is best.
Google Play Edition phones like HTC One M8 or Galaxy S4.
The Moto G and X phones also offer nearly stock OS.
Gaming is not a concern for me with a phone, thats what the Tablet is for. a Pretty stock non-bloated with manufacture crud OS is whats most important I think. Touchwiz was just annoying when I was test driving a Note 3 and on my S2 when I had it. Just didn't enjoy it. I also don't like how big the S5 and such has gotten.
I'll take a closer look at the Google Play edition phones. I wanted to get something direct from carrier to get the subsidy and save some cash... I'm on Rogers in Canada... No Moto X is avaialble, and it doesn't appear to have a micro SD. However the Sony Z3 seems to have a pretty stock version of Android... what are peoples opinions on that device?
Well I wouldn't say it's stock by any means. It's actually fairly heavy on skinning, but it does look nice. Updates will be very slow for Sony phones. But the battery life is fantastic, and the overall hardware is nice. Sony phones can be problematic, but since it's a carrier device you can always yell at Rogers.
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Well I wouldn't say it's stock by any means. It's actually fairly heavy on skinning, but it does look nice. Updates will be very slow for Sony phones. But the battery life is fantastic, and the overall hardware is nice. Sony phones can be problematic, but since it's a carrier device you can always yell at Rogers.
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Yea, I'm reading more on the Z3 forums and seeing stuff I'm not overly happy with.
One thing that is ever important to me is the speed and quality of the camera, something I'm addicted to on my iphone. I'm a part-time professional photographer along with my day job. So I got a camera for manual control and taking beautiful shot. I love my iphone for the quick burst that I can do within a couple of seconds on the fly (and thats about it that I've found as a pro over Android). I don't know if there is an Android phone out there that can compete, which is very unfortunate. When I was test driving the Note 3, one of the few major reasons I returned it was due to the crappy camera speed/AF. (The others were size and touchwiz)
Moto X, Moto G, Nexus 5, Nexus 6 or the Google Play Edition phones from the play store. Thats about it. I guess the OnePlus One fits the bill also.
I can't recommend the Moto X enough. Mine is absolutely amazing and I've owned QUITE a few different phones over the past few years including Samsung, HTC, Sony, Nexus, ZTE. The Motorola lineup of the past year or so has been nothing short of phenomenal.
I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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Do you own one? Because I do. And I routinely hit 18-19 hours with 2.5-3 hours of screen time. Everyone I see complaining about battery life doesn't own one, and are just parroting FUD.
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I disagree on the basis that the battery life is pretty bad. Like iPhone levels of battery life frankly. I'm surprised people just glaze over that. 2300mah battery with lollipop+amoled is battery hell.
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Do you own one? Because I do. And I routinely hit 18-19 hours with 2.5-3 hours of screen time. Everyone I see complaining about battery life doesn't own one, and are just parroting FUD.
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I'd also have to agree. I was hesitant about the phone when it was first announced because of the battery and held off buying one until the Cyber Monday coupon deal. Since then, I've added a wireless charging module (thread in the accessories sub-forum for the phone) and I couldn't be happier. Not saying you need a wireless mod, I just missed that from the Nexus 5. But even so, the battery has been above and beyond what I expected, the phone's performance is top notch, Active Display or whatever its called has no second best and Motorola's adherence to near stock Android is the cherry on top.
Like icase said, unless you have one and have something to back up your comment, you're just blowing FUD. My go to devices today are my 2014 Moto X and my Nvidia Shield Tablet.
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My contract is coming up for renewal in late February and I'm thinking of replacing my phone with a new Android device. I realize this might be the wrong forum section to post in, but who better to ask than my fellow Shield lovers.
I had a Galaxy Note (original) and a Galaxy S2 prior, and they weren't bad. For the time Touchwiz, and a poor email client really put me off of Android as a phone primarily for me is a communication device, but I still like to have fun with it.
I ended up going back to Blackberry and have been rocking a Z10 for a long time. But won an iphone 5s through work and have been using that for about the past year. I bought a Z30 recently as it was being sold at a stupidly low price new in box from factory and I am sick and tired of the small screens and piss poor battery life of the iphone.
I also have a first gen Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, and I've been complaining about it for the past 6-10 months because of it's size and weight and now that apps are being optimized for newer OS versions it's getting really slow. So my wife bought me a Shield for Christmas and I absoltuley love it!
I love how the UI is on this tablet and now know what all the fuss is about for Andorid. Touchwiz ruins the experience in my opinion. So I'm thinking for my new phone I'm going to get a Lollipop device for sure...the question is which one?
I don't want a Nexus as I don't like the idea of non-expandable memory and my 64gb card in my Sheild is getting pretty full, no way I could survive with a device that isn't at least 64gb (my iphone is 64gb and is usually between 50-60gb loaded up with music and media.)
So which device has a UI that is as close to the Shield as possible with expandable memory and isn't the size of a house. 5" is about my max screen size. There is no need to go larger as I already have the Sheild, and I want it to be pocketable. I got rid of my Note because I just kept leaving it on my desk. I would also love to get a 16-20 hour day with heavy use. FWIW my iphone 5s is completley dead by the time 2:00pm rolls around when it comes off the charger at 5:30am. I'm usually not near a charger again until 6:30-7:00pm on average. It's going to be a lot to ask but a 5:30am to 10:00pm battery life would be fantastic...
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Hi, just my two cents, IMHO the Nvidia Shield is a great tablet but to play PC games you have to stream to Nvidia, so if I want to recommend to you a similar device, the closest phone you can get is the Sony Experia Z3, Android 5 Lollipop, battery levels are very good, beautiful design and you can connect it to a playstation and play the games wireless on your phone with the PS controller. You even get the sound from your controller by connecting the headphones to it.
I have a couple of ideas.
If you can wait, the HTC Hima promises to be a beast. A Snapdragon 810 with a 1080p screen means that it will probably crush every other phone in terms of performace, thanks to every other phone jumping on the pointless 4K train. Look it up. It looks pretty nice. *drool*
If you need something now, then....I know you want a smaller phone, but....I can't recommend the Oneplus One enough.
-It is actually thinner than and not as wide as the Note, dispite its slightly larger screen.
-Even though it has no expandable storage, 64 gigs of internal storage has actually proven more useful to me. I never have to worry about limited storage for application data.
-The battery life on this thing is nuts. I'm a heavy user and I only need to charge it every other day.
-1080p screen. This is a plus because it it uses less resources than a 4k display. And honestly, most, if not all people, cannot tell the difference.
-Snapdragon 801 with 3 gigs of RAM. This thing flies, and multitasks like a champ. I remember a time not too long ago when more than 2gb RAM was considered excessive for most DESKTOP computers. I think its more than the specs that make this thing fly, though. Something in the hardware implementation must be special, because people have been reporting some pretty unbelievable benchmarks. Oh, and Sonic Adventure 2 runs smoothly in Reicast.
-The XDA scene is HUGE for this device. Its the most popular device on the forums. There are, like, 73 billion ROMs for it and maybe 2.5 billion kernels. I've never owned such a popular device. This is my favorite feature.
Its also the one of the only devices I have right now that isn't defective in some way. I tend to have horrible luck when purchasing electronics.
I hope I've helped you reach some sort of conclusion. Good luck. :good:
thanks guys,
I went into my Rogers store and manhandled what they had on display as well as a few open box units. I also took at look at Telus, but they can't meet me on my plan so no point in switching over. But the Moto X seemed like the best device.
I found the Z3 to be the best value for me right now. As I originally mentioned I'm not looking at the phone for gaming, but to be a workhorse and get me through a very heavy use work day. Not having Touch-Wiz was a huge plus for me, and I really enjoyed some of the things they changed in the skin. The camera performed a lot better than the other phones I tried in store. the HTC M8 was a very close contender, but the camera just sucks so horribly it got kicked out of the running faster than I could blink. I honestly think that Nokia/Windows Phone has the best camera interface after playing around with phones the past week, but the Z3 does a pretty good job.
For me it was the battery power, the UI, and the pretty impressive spec sheet that (hopefuly) will not force me to upgrade in the next 18 months that caused me to go with the Z3 overall. Rogers has a pretty limited offering right now which is annoying. I almost went with the Samsung S5, but remembered how much Touch-Wiz pozioned me the first time.
If they had a Nexus 5 32gb in stock I would have probably gone with that instead...and dealt with the size limitiation...but none left for corporate customers.
So my Black Z3 is in the mail and I'm really looking forward to it. Especially since my time frame for getting a new device really escallated with an unexpected smashy smashy of my iphone (dropped it and ran it over with a stroller by complete accident. One of the only times it wasn't cased!) now I need a case for my Z3