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[Q] Anyone returning the MT4G for the HD7?

Just curious as the thought had run through my head (I'm always looking for something new to try) - is anyone going to return their MT4G and go back to the dark side of M$ ?
I'd say the chances of me doing it are extremely low though, as this phone actually is the first I've been completely happy with in a long time.

I'm very happy with this phone. Even everything stock simply works well. Battery time is excellent and that is the most important to me.
I'm 50/50 in trading for the HD7.. but I'm concerned the battery will not get me thru a whole day with heavy use.
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Yea I'm leaning toward the HD7 this week. Although I don't think I would root it (MyTouch4G) even with permanent root. Phone is pretty complete. Makes me wanna see if HD7 can top it.

The HD7 is a fantastic device. I think a lot of folks are wrong in their premature dismissal of WP7. Microsoft has done a great job with WP7's UX and I definitely suggest actually trying it before automatically assuming it's crap just because it's made by MS.
Having said that, WP7 is going to take some time to mature. Many of our favorite apps won't be ported/rewritten right away. That's what holds me back from switching. I also want my free GPS (which WP7 doesn't have) and copy-paste before I'll even consider WP7.
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Definitely not as I am very impressed with my mytouch 4g. Please don't take offense but I honestly don't understand why anyone would get the HD7. I would much rather get the Dell Venue Pro which brings something new to the table; the HD7 is basically a HD2 with a new chassis, kickstand, and WP7. For people that are assuming that games on WP7 are going to be incredible, this likely won't be the case for these first gen devices which all have adreno 200 (a pretty bad integrated GPU).

No offense taken at all - actually your responses are educating me a bit Plus swaying me more and more to stay with Android for the time being.
Keep em coming!

What about open source maaan. You gotta go with Android. It's more fun for nerds like us. Besides, what ever happened to MS is evil?

No I'm good and done with Windows Mobile phones! Android is the future!

I'm sure android could be ported to the hd7 eventually.
[G2/HTC Vision]

luis86dr said:
I'm sure android could be ported to the hd7 eventually.
[G2/HTC Vision]
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The first generation processor makes it a bad decision like the person mentioned above. the processor on the myt4g is sick. On par if not better than the hummingbird. (debatable)

kamasi36 said:
The first generation processor makes it a bad decision like the person mentioned above. the processor on the myt4g is sick. On par if not better than the hummingbird. (debatable)
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Is it indeed the first generation snapdragon and not the same as the one we have?

The processor in the MTG4G is the same one in the G2, only clocked at 1ghz, instead of 800mhz.
The processor in the HD7 is the first gen snapdragon. Essentially, the hardware in the HD7 is all old tech. The only thing it has going for it is WP7. If I could get the Samsung Omnia 7 on T-Mobile, then I might have thought about going WP7, since I think that is a beautiful device. But still, give WP7 about a year to mature. That is my opinion anyways.

i thought about it from a media player standpoint i think the music player on WP7 phones might be just a lil better but ill wait it out still waiting on Google Music Service

I had a brain fart and considered going to look and play with the HD7 today. I was getting ready to go, but decided to check the forums to see if anyone was "in love" with there phone or saying it's the best thing ever. I didn't see any of that, just questions and problems. The day I got this phone we were all over bragging about it to eachother. It's a week later almost and I like this phone more today than the day I bought it.
I would never go back to MSFT for anything. (Well unless it's free, then I might consider it before I trashed it)

Screw that... windows fail phone with a 1st gen 1ghz snapdragon. I'll stick to my MyTouch4G

Sticking to the MT4G
Like a Few ppl said in the post above, 1st gen snapdragon CPU 512MB of ram NTY... i will stick to my MT4G with a 2nd Gen snapdragon and 768MB of ram
I would like to give the phone a try(that when my mom buy it) but other than that i would hold off on it

I bought my MT4G on sunday but while in the store they had the hd7 turned on and playing with it and i checked it out before i bought my MT4G i spent prolly a good 20 to 30 minutes messin with it cause there was a line and i was waiting to buy my phone and honestly i can say that i was extremely impressed with the phone. The interface was extremely clean and quick, a little confusing at first but the more you play with it the easier it gets.The interface is pretty much just like the zune hd interface. The looks of the phone were actually the biggest draw to the phone. Its an incredibly sweet looking phone. But at the end of the wait though, as impressive as it was it wasnt impressive enough for me to give up on getting android and the MT4G.

Why would u even want to consider returning this phone I gotta say never been so satisfied with a device like this in AWHILE. Like the other person said the hd7 is just a replica of the hd2 which I owned too and is nothing to be blown away by either. Android ftw!!!

I bought an hd2 and wasnt happy with it so I took it back and swapped it out for a mt4g and I cant believe how much better android is. For a while I couldnt decide if I should wait a bit and get the hd7 or get this phone. I played with an hd7 at the tmobile store. Couldnt get the supposed stereo speakers to work, and those 2 vents just seemed like they would get clogged with this after 1 single day of use. Aside from the metal ring around the front it felt identical to the hd2. Tell me what u guys think about the kickstand, I would never use it and it just feels cheap, like it will over time not stay shut and catch on your pocket etc. dont get me wrong, the screen is huge and the think just looks and feels really expensive. Played with it for about 3-4 min and that used used 3% of the battery which is also just like the hd2, they neeed to jam a 1600 in there stock at least or what good is all the eye candy if you find yourself disabling it all to get through one day if use. The OS is cool. Screen is big. Thats just my opinion but based on battery life and the fact that its windows I wouldnt buy it. It cant even copy/paste on release day are you serious?
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kamasi36 said:
The first generation processor makes it a bad decision like the person mentioned above. the processor on the myt4g is sick. On par if not better than the hummingbird. (debatable)
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this is one big tipping point for me...but then again -WP7 is designed specifically to that driver so it is said to work just as fast or just about.... idk?

Galaxy S2 vs. iPhone 4 vs. LG E900 vs. Lag myth

So I made this video to put an end to this nonsense myth about lagging propegated by people who have no idea at all what they're talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPqXwerQZps
As can be seen the S2 is the only device which performs smoothly on all fronts. The menu is smooth, webbrowser is smooth and gaming is smooth.
The iPhone 4 has problems loading taxing sites and clearly does lag in a very annoying way. I can also point to several situations where the iPhone 4 clearly lags in a very annoying way. Didn't have games on there but gaming is good as we all know very well.
WP7 has a smooth menu and everything looks nice. Does lag in the browser but it's not as annoying as the iPhone 4. Altho the main menu is smooth some apps do lag horribly, like the Xbox Live app. Gaming is horrible on this device altho I hear it's better on the Lumia 800.
All devices are Wifi N but the S2 is the only one who achieves good rates. The LG is the phone with the worst download rate and the iPhone 4 comes in second.
I know both youtube and 9gag have mobile sites which work better but I picked these sites off the top of my head as a showcase. There are enough sites out there which do not have a mobile site and are taxing to load.
So in conclusion, S2 Android is the best and doesn't lag, iPhone 4 doesn't lag usually but when it does it is the worst. Also there are several case in which the phone starts lagging so bad that it feels as if the phone has crashed.
WP7 has mediocre lag, the lag is there but workable.
All phones have been hard reset, I was in the process of reinstalling my S2 when the idea occurred to me. This is why the S2 has some apps on it and both the iPhone 4 and LG are stock and fresh.
Discuss...

Why not test the iPhone 4s?

moonmang said:
Why not test the iPhone 4s?
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I don't have one here rightnow but I can say that it's webbrowser is more or less the same.
The only real improvement the 4S has to offer on the lag front is the following. If you have a lots of menu pages (8 pages is best for demonstration but it starts at 5), you go to the end of your menu and then press home. You'll see that on the 4 it clearly starts to lag and on the 4S this doesn't happen.
I wanted to film this too but it would take too much effort to fill the menu with apps right now, maybe later. I think the point has been made and as you can see the iPhone isn't the holy grail of lagfreeness some might have you believe.

Zee, where you at bro? I'm waiting for you to debunk this guys whole arguement, because anything you don't experience, absolutely can't be possible. Right?
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slapshot30 said:
Zee, where you at bro? I'm waiting for you to debunk this guys whole arguement, because anything you don't experience, absolutely can't be possible. Right?
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I don't know who this Zee is but I'd welcome his input. I made this thread to open up discussion not to start a flame war. The video it self isn't perfect and open for criticism but I didn't make it to be perfect. I made it just to show there is lag in Apple.

GIR said:
I don't know who this Zee is but I'd welcome his input. I made this thread to open up discussion not to start a flame war. The video it self isn't perfect and open for criticism but I didn't make it to be perfect. I made it just to show there is lag in Apple.
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You welcome Zee's output but you don't want to start a flame war?You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Anyway,talking about what 1gb of RAM can be used for...

I did a vid last night to show lag free ui using screencast but not uploaded it anywhere yet, even capturing video and superimposing a visual pointer to show where and when touches happened on screen in realtime I was able to swipe through screens and folders etc with no lag.
In fact it was so quick you barely see the pointer on screen where I touched screen to initiate action but still people say it lags.
Only lag I notice is opening or installing apps on stock gb rom.
I saw zee mentioned, surprised he hasn't commented yet as usually android lag is something he comments on. He has wp7 and android and says that android has lots of lag where wp7 is flawlessly smooth. Be interesting to see his take as he has used all phone systems whereas I haven't so can only speak from experience of android but to me the ui doesn't lag.
Dave
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Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.

mathburn said:
Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.
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WP does not even support dual core cpu yet.

When people says that iphone doesn't lag they mostly mean that it has 60fps buttersmooth interface without any dropped frames most of the time (In my opinion incorrect use of the word lag though).
It is physically impossible to show such smoothness on a 30fps hard compressed youtube video that isn't captured in sync with phone screen refresh rate.
I find my SGS2 pretty smooth most of the time, so I'm not defending iPhone (in fact I dislilke iPhone...), but your video is not enough to visualize the smoothness of the phones.

mathburn said:
Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.
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Iphone 4S has dual core as well.
Dave
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The test isn't perfect but it's fine i guess. Honestly tho the comparison is a bit ubalanced imho: you compared the fastest android device on the market (i know how good it is, i owned one for 5 months) with possibly one of the slowest and oldest WP7 devices, and ofc the iPhone4 is as well a piece of history nowadays. To be fair you should have compared similar hardware: the LG phone you have there has the same hardware (cpu+gpu) as the HTC Desire, but compared to it the Desire feels like a sluggish piece of **** (not talking out of my ass, i've been using one for over a year), even if you tweak it and OC it like hell. Anyway there's no denying that right now even with the latest hardware WP7 sucks badly in terms of gaming, and the few games we have are insanely overpriced. Android has good hardware and good games, and many free ones look way batter than most "top" WP7 games; not that i really care tho, i'm not a heavy gamer and therefore this doesn't bother me much. Anyway in terms of usability WP7 is a pretty sweet spot between Android and iOS imho: it's, refreshing and new, pleasant to use out of the box and you don't have to spend 600€ nor hack the phone in order to have a smooth and consistent experience.
To each their own i guess...

vnvman said:
The test isn't perfect but it's fine i guess. Honestly tho the comparison is a bit ubalanced imho: you compared the fastest android device on the market (i know how good it is, i owned one for 5 months) with possibly one of the slowest and oldest WP7 devices, and ofc the iPhone4 is as well a piece of history nowadays. To be fair you should have compared similar hardware: the LG phone you have there has the same hardware (cpu+gpu) as the HTC Desire, but compared to it the Desire feels like a sluggish piece of **** (not talking out of my ass, i've been using one for over a year), even if you tweak it and OC it like hell. Anyway there's no denying that right now even with the latest hardware WP7 sucks badly in terms of gaming, and the few games we have are insanely overpriced. Android has good hardware and good games, and many free ones look way batter than most "top" WP7 games; not that i really care tho, i'm not a heavy gamer and therefore this doesn't bother me much. Anyway in terms of usability WP7 is a pretty sweet spot between Android and iOS imho: it's, refreshing and new, pleasant to use out of the box and you don't have to spend 600€ nor hack the phone in order to have a smooth and consistent experience.
To each their own i guess...
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He may have compared the fastest android phone on the market, but the simple fact of the matter is that the GSII has outsold any other android device by far (over 15 million). I still believe more people have an Iphone 4 and not a 4s, and is there a such thing as a popular WP7 device? So either way he is comparing the top sellers of each OS.

lowandbehold said:
He may have compared the fastest android phone on the market, but the simple fact of the matter is that the GSII has outsold any other android device by far (over 15 million). I still believe more people have an Iphone 4 and not a 4s, and is there a such thing as a popular WP7 device? So either way he is comparing the top sellers of each OS.
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Sure but is this little LG phone the top selling WP7 device? I hope not.
I still think that the simple fact that most people have a specific phone doesn't make it the best one. If it was so then the Galaxy 5 aka i5500 would be an amazing phone compared to the Titan, but last time i checked it was a cheap low end Android and sucked balls. Ok sorry, just kidding.
Anyway call me weird, but i still think that a fair comparison is the one between devices with at least comparable specs (or at least price tags), rather than the one between those with comparable sold units. I know there isn't such a thing as a dual-core WP7 device, but there's quite a big difference between a Snapdragon [email protected] and a Snapdragon [email protected], believe me.

vnvman said:
Sure but is this little LG phone the top selling WP7 device? I hope not.
I still think that the simple fact that most people have a specific phone doesn't make it the best one. If it was so then the Galaxy 5 aka i5500 would be an amazing phone compared to the Titan, but last time i checked it was a cheap low end Android and sucked balls. Ok sorry, just kidding.
Anyway call me weird, but i still think that a fair comparison is the one between devices with at least comparable specs (or at least price tags), rather than the one between those with comparable sold units. I know there isn't such a thing as a dual-core WP7 device, but there's quite a big difference between a Snapdragon [email protected] and a Snapdragon [email protected], believe me.
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So to even out the comparison he should be using and android device that is a year and a half old?

I'm actually surprised at the lack of attention this thread is getting, seeing as there have been quite extensive (and usually unproductive) discussions on this subject I was expecting people to flock to this thread.
The iPhone 4 / 4S is irrelevant IMO. The iPhone 4S has only been released recently and isn't mainstream yet. Past discussions have always concerned the 4 for one and the 4S does nothing to solve the issues I've demonstrated.
As for the question: "Why these phones", these are the ones I had in the shop at the time. I'll see if I can update or add when I have other devices.
As for my credentials, I own several repair shops (yes actual physical shops not somebody who works at home). I pride myself in being able to repair just about any phone with any issue unless it has water damage. I have most popular phones in stock and I also deal in used phones. Thus I have easy access to all the phones and I also get to play with all of them.

GIR said:
I'm actually surprised at the lack of attention this thread is getting, seeing as there have been quite extensive (and usually unproductive) discussions on this subject I was expecting people to flock to this thread.
The iPhone 4 / 4S is irrelevant IMO. The iPhone 4S has only been released recently and isn't mainstream yet. Past discussions have always concerned the 4 for one and the 4S does nothing to solve the issues I've demonstrated.
As for the question: "Why these phones", these are the ones I had in the shop at the time. I'll see if I can update or add when I have other devices.
As for my credentials, I own several repair shops (yes actual physical shops not somebody who works at home). I pride myself in being able to repair just about any phone with any issue unless it has water damage. I have most popular phones in stock and I also deal in used phones. Thus I have easy access to all the phones and I also get to play with all of them.
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Oh it will get attention, trust me...the trolls are still asleep!

lowandbehold said:
So to even out the comparison he should be using and android device that is a year and a half old?
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Not really, picking a "high end" one like the Titan or the Lumia should be fair enough imo. I have this Omnia W here which should behave fine enough (despite being a mid range phone it still packs the latest gen WP7 SOC) but unfortunately I sold my GS2 a couple weeks ago because I was low on cash, so I can't make a decent comparison myself.

vnvman said:
Not really, picking a "high end" one like the Titan or the Lumia should be fair enough imo. I have this Omnia W here which should behave fine enough (despite being a mid range phone it still packs the latest gen WP7 SOC) but unfortunately I sold my GS2 a couple weeks ago because I was low on cash, so I can't make a decent comparison myself.
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I've had a Lumia 800 here and to be honest it doesn't matter that much. Games are still jerky, the XBox Live app is the same and the browser is the same. When it comes to specs most WP7 devices aren't that much different from one and other. The Lumia 800 has better specs but that bit extra doesn't really make a big difference in the end.

GIR said:
I've had a Lumia 800 here and to be honest it doesn't matter that much. Games are still jerky, the XBox Live app is the same and the browser is the same. When it comes to specs most WP7 devices aren't that much different from one and other. The Lumia 800 has better specs but that bit extra doesn't really make a big difference in the end.
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Yeah I wasn't talking about games, we all know they suck on WP7. But as far as regular usage is concerned my Omnia W feels a lot snappier compared to the Omnia 7 I've had for a few months. Ofc there's no night and day difference, but they are different to be honest.

Gs3 announcement at 3 eastern time

If anyone is wondering
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I already have one

http://www.thenextgalaxy.com/
They are having a live stream. I think it's 2:00 EST not 3 but not sure. So only a couple minutes away I believe.
Just a suggestion but you should update your OP to include the link for the live stream so no more threads about this are made.

It's actually happening right now.

I know. I feel giddy.

Gizmodo and Engadget already have little reviews on it. I'm kind of disappointed.
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watch it live http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/samsung/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-liveblog/

IEatKittys! said:
Gizmodo and Engadget already have little reviews on it. I'm kind of disappointed.
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Same here...
I'm surprised they didn't bump the camera specs by at least a bit. I get that MegaPixels aren't everything. But in the world of tech, megapixel numbers do actually make a difference to the general public.
I was also expecting a little bit more ground breaking design. Or ground breaking something.

This phone feels drastically short on some key areas.
No Plus screen?
Camera is more software upgrade than hardware.
Not only lack of software buttons...but PHYSICAL home button? At least go full capacitive like the Skyrocket.
The "Siri-like" features already feel like they are old news. They shouldn't be a major draw. And as somebody who had Siri, it gets old fast.
This just really isn't a pretty phone...looks almost plain and boring...or just generally unoriginal. A little Galaxy, a little Nexus, that's about it.
I have to say it...I think they left the door wide open for Apple to amaze people with the next iPhone keynote. This announcement felt like a lot of smoke and mirrors to cover up that there really is barely anything new with this phone at all.
In one bit of news though...I noticed Touchwiz had some new looks to it. Didn't look like enough to call it Touchwiz 5, but more like a 4.1. Interested if we will get it at some point.

Ground breaking news would be .. 12mp + camera .. whether or not they are able to keep the quad-core for 4G/LTE (unlike HTC's flop) .. don't really care about the rest.
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Agreed. I am also disappointed.
Although that new touchwiz looks nice. Hopefully we can get it ported over or something

Nothing really new that isn't already out. The international one x is very similar in spec wise except for memory. Sammy failed to amaze this time.

thanks samsung. you made my decision to stick with the skyrocket a lot easier =)

dakpluto said:
This phone feels drastically short on some key areas.
No Plus screen?
Camera is more software upgrade than hardware.
Not only lack of software buttons...but PHYSICAL home button? At least go full capacitive like the Skyrocket.
The "Siri-like" features already feel like they are old news. They shouldn't be a major draw. And as somebody who had Siri, it gets old fast.
This just really isn't a pretty phone...looks almost plain and boring...or just generally unoriginal. A little Galaxy, a little Nexus, that's about it.
I have to say it...I think they left the door wide open for Apple to amaze people with the next iPhone keynote. This announcement felt like a lot of smoke and mirrors to cover up that there really is barely anything new with this phone at all.
In one bit of news though...I noticed Touchwiz had some new looks to it. Didn't look like enough to call it Touchwiz 5, but more like a 4.1. Interested if we will get it at some point.
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I'll 2nd that.
I think iPhone will dazzle once again.
I don't understand why other companies can NOT innovate like Apple can.

Jamolah said:
I don't understand why other companies can NOT innovate like Apple can.
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Especially when a lot of the hardware that goes into Apple is manufactured by Samsung, lol.

Samsung really pulled an Apple here..didn't they!? All the hype, and then a huge disappointment.. man is this thing just plain UGLY

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Especially when a lot of the hardware that goes into Apple is manufactured by Samsung, lol.
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Well, honestly this is probably part of it. There is probably quite a bit of non-competing clauses and patent issues mingled in there. And the Apple load keeps them so busy it's probably harder than it seems to work on their own unique stuff. They make a wonderful CPU or screen for Apple...and then probably lock themselves out of doing any of that on their own products. So they have to find ways around it. I can tell you my company deals with similar type issues sometimes. Making money off your competition isn't always as wonderful as it sounds.

Well .. the GOODNESS just disappeared from my point of view.
Found the full specs up on PhoneArena (http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III_id6330).. confirmed what I feared .. nothing new at all, same as the HTC One series.
Quad-Core yes .. NO LTE SUPPORT !!!!!!
12MP + camera NO .. same ole 8MP and 1.9MP !!!!!! I thought Samsung was one of the pioners of cameras !!!!!! Well, they certainly ain't showing it.
Sticking with my Skyrocket .. until something REALLY IMPRESSIVE is released.

Also, I doubt the home button would be there when it comes over seas to the US. It always turns into full capacitive when it hits here. So atleast it won't be nearly as ugly as the international version. But still.. nothing made me want to go out and buy the s3 at all

When buying a phone its not all about the numbers, if the software behind the camera improves the camera over the S2, then who cares if its an 8 or 12 or 41 megapixel camera? If it has DOUBLE the processing and graphics power of the S2 how is that disappointing? If it makes a huge improvement over google voice actions to make it MUCH more user friendly, again how is this disappointing? I'd say it is the best android phone, and definitely better than the iphone. So for at least the next 2-3 months until the iPhone 5 is released this is the undisputed champ of smartphones. And all people can say is disappointment because there isn't a 5 ghz processor and a 50mp camera? From the reviews i've read of people ACTUALLY USING THE PHONE instead of looking over spec sheets, they all love it. Spec sheets mean nothing when your phone is in use, they are just talking points. If the phone works beautifully (all indications are that it does) then why are we disappointed?

Worst phone in my entire life

This is hands down the worst phone that I have ever owned in my entire life. There are tons of
1) Biggest problem is definitely the home button. This alone makes the phone totally unusable. Want to use the GPS while driving? Well forget about cause you are going to get in to a car crash trying to set everything right with this home button thing going on.
2) randomly says I don't have a sim card while I haven't touch my simcard at all. And I only find out about this when I check my phone and by then I could have been unavailable for a couple hours. Well whats the point of a mobile phone then if you aren't always available. This is btw not a rom issue
3) Battery. I never get more then 1-2 hours of screen time on a 14 hour stretch. The iphone 5 gets 8 hours of browsing time.
4) Can't hear my phone ringing while out in public. The speaker is just pathetic.
5) paint problem of the black htc one s. Come on man. In the end I just sanded everything down. But that makes those cheap plastic bits stand out. Not to mention all the dust and gunk thats building up around and under these plastic bits. I can't see the LED light either unless I am viewing it directly from above. The design just isn't there. Although samsung isn't better either in that department. But the iphone just does it right.
7) Rom development sucks but I have no choice because sense sucks even harder.
It is unbelievable that HTC just can't get the elementary things right. My phone is totally unusable and it has been a miracle that I have surved this past 5 months on this POS. HTC lost a customer. I wasted 500 euro on this POS.

Sorry for thay. So what phone u got now?
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i have none of those problems, go get an iphone and be happy

Well I am probably going to get the iphone 5. Which I actually don't really want to do because its just expensive and its not really going to be a major upgrade compared to the HTC one S in terms of speed and the apps I use and even the screen.
But what choice do I have?

Well since i love Samsung i suggest u choose Samsung Galaxy Note 2 or SIII... Its less than the iPhone 5 but more function... Since u mention function.... These phone are the best... Well if u like iPhone application then choose iPhone.. But i suggest Samsung SIII or Galaxy Note2
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You give of about the black model chipping etc. well the iphone 5 is no better, has the exact same problem, in fact probably worse.
I have not encountered any of those issues that you have mentioned, my black phone (older design) is still in perfect condition apart from the USB port area, easily the best battery life currently (4-6 hours on screen time [manual control] spread across 1-3 days usually), only phone to top it is the iphone 5, although iOS does no more as much as android i.e. the multi-tasking and the hardware is more power efficient and the software/drivers are better optimized.
I do agree with you on the NLED though.
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Just noticed who the OP is........ *sigh*
Move onto the iphone already for god sake, you moan and moan and moan about the phone all the time and keep going on about how iphone better etc. as I told you before sell the one S and get yourself an iphone, such a simple solution........
BTW, fed up with the ROM development? Then educate yourself and you go and make a better ROM then!
TBH starting to think you are just one big troll.

Oh god not you again.
Sell your phone and get an iPhone. It's clear you're an iSheep so flock with the crowd.
You have opened numerous threads, moaning and complaining your iPhone is better, so for the better good of the earth, save yourself the typing and get an iPhone.
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carlos_abril_94 said:
i have none of those problems, go get an iphone and be happy
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I have also not encountered any of these problems. In fact, i'd say the HTC one S is the best phone ive ever owned. I find android superior to ios in many ways. Just my opinion.

Soo if you're disappointed with the development on the 1S, wait until you see how many options you have with the iPhone .
I personally have never had any of those issues, and while I come from an HD2 which probably had the most rom options of any phone, I find that we at least have quality over quantity. TrickDroid, Viper, Energy, and oh a little thing called OFFICIAL CM10! Thanks I'll subdue my flashaholic ways of the past for a great stable Rom with lots of cool features.
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app

Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway

Go away troll!
no one is being a fanboy, we are just fed up with your stupid BS you keep spreading every month in a new thread despite being proven wrong with many people saying they don't have these problems.........
You experience these issues with some others, however, once again just because you and some other people experience these issues does not mean that everyone also has the same problems. People only ever report the bad stuff, hardly ever the good stuff.
I can show you videos, photos of my mobile (and I already have shown you plenty of battery screenshots with detailed usage), but it doesn't matter because you will still go on and on about how this phone sucks, how iphone is better blah blah, followed by more diarrhea from your mouth.
I have no problem with battery, touch button issue, volume/speakers/headphones (get better headphones!), what bugs in the software? My signal is more or less perfect as well as wifi connection, unibody design as I said no marks on mine apart from USB port.
Once again, why do you not sell the one S, all you do is moan and complain about it, sell and buy something else? Why is that so hard to do?
BTW do you honestly think people would keep a phone if they experienced that touch button issue? No matter how much of a fanboy someone is, they won't put up with that ****. I for one wouldn't so why would be denying this issue as well as the others?
You don't like the support, then you do something to improve it or better yet, move to a phone that has got better support i.e. nexus, GS 3 etc.

wilcoholic said:
Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway
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"The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing." Troll much? I don't own a One S but i saw this post as i was scrolling down to the One X section and i must say you are a pathetic troll, as far as i know only the One S has a dual core Krait, the one with the quad core is the One X and i believe someone who is at XDA and knows about Custom Roms at least know what processor their phone has.

I can't stop checking this thread. It's like slowing down on the freeway to see a car accident. I have never, in my life, hated a product so much that I just vent and vent and vent without doing something about it. Based on my recent experience as a new parent, I'd say someone needs a new diaper, a nap and a nice shiny anodized (please ignore the chips and dents) iPhone pacifier.

People will always complain, WE know our device is a great fully functional device
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app

Haha I recently purchased the HOS but I definitely do not have any of the issues mentioned on the forum.
I mean okay, in reality, if people are content with their product, they usually won't need to ask questions or post help threads until necessary which is when their phone malfunctions or encounters a problem. So I'm guessing there are actually more happy owners out there in comparison with owners with issues.
AND. although I wish the development on this phone was better, I can't really complain as it has everything I both need or want (well battery life can always be better).

vcrp94 said:
"The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing." Troll much? I don't own a One S but i saw this post as i was scrolling down to the One X section and i must say you are a pathetic troll, as far as i know only the One S has a dual core Krait, the one with the quad core is the One X and i believe someone who is at XDA and knows about Custom Roms at least know what processor their phone has.
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I wasn't talking about the ONE S! I mentioned quad cores cause that sounds infinitely more next gen and awesome and futuristic then a measly dual core. It was to make a point. CPUs nowadays don't matter cause I can't tell the difference between the last gen CPU's (Nexus S, iphone4s) and current CPU's (a6, s4 krait, quad cores from nvidea and samsung) in day to day usages.
Where did I say that the One S has a quad core? You just went full retard!

AndrewAmazed said:
Haha I recently purchased the HOS but I definitely do not have any of the issues mentioned on the forum.
I mean okay, in reality, if people are content with their product, they usually won't need to ask questions or post help threads until necessary which is when their phone malfunctions or encounters a problem. So I'm guessing there are actually more happy owners out there in comparison with owners with issues.
AND. although I wish the development on this phone was better, I can't really complain as it has everything I both need or want (well battery life can always be better).
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Yea most of the complainers are really just a small bunch compared to the ones who actually are content, I only rooted mine out of boredom (boredom in life not with the phone lol) otherwise I would've been fine with it out of the box, why? Because mine had no problems, all the problems came after flashing roms and what not but that risk I was willing to take and I'm still left with a flawless device
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I had too had problems with the one S, but I will NEVER swap it with iPhone garbage. The one S has options of customizations. iPhone doesn't. I think speak for everyone when I say being locked into iTunes just sucks!

You know what makes a troll go away? When you ignore them. Please, don't feed the troll. It's better this way...

wilcoholic said:
Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway
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I have four of these phones, for my mom, my sister, my niece and me plus i have 3 friends who have this phone and none of us ever seen this home button issue. I just hope it's not something that starts up after a while of using it.

Double standards?

What I don't understand is at the start of the year we had the big show down of the GS4 vs the HTC One. People were going spec crazy to even the fact that the GS4 must be better because it has DDR3 or the HTC One screen must be better because the PPI is 480 (my phone says 480) to the GS4s 441. We even had people complain that the GS4 was a pentile screen and it didn't look as sharp as the HTC One and that OLED fades over time and if you have a static image on for too long, you'll see burn in. I can confirm the screen burn with OLEDs, the phones I've had in the past with OLED screens always get it.
However suddenly when it comes to Nokia they seem to get away with selling you dated hardware. It's 720p, the PPI is 334 and it's a PENTILE OLED screen...... they even put this tinted black glass over the front to try and hide the future screen burn. Somehow Nokia get away with it and people don't care, where it comes to everyone else however, they'll get scrutinized and people will say it's **** straight away.
Not only that but you're getting a dated S4 dual core and an Adreno 225 which is 2/3 years old at this point. What Nokia are basically doing is selling you last years hardware at $300 on contract! I could accept the argument that Windows Phone doesn't need better hardware or whatever, though nor does Android. My Galaxy S2 never had any lag or weird issues at the time it was released, it was one of the fastest phones out there. It's easy to look back at it now and say it was a PoS, that's because the software has evolved to the point it's showing its age. My point is, I'm not going to buy a phone that is crazy expensive, to get dated hardware that is now so cheap that Nokia must be making a mint.
I keep seeing this argument of how Android is laggy and requires 1000 cores to run properly. It's just not the case, I have a HTC One and Android runs perfectly smooth, no stutter and nothing has pushed it in terms of gaming and the browser is mega fast. If I put the HTC One next to a Windows phone in a store and compare them, I'm not seeing Android lag at all. In fact what I do see is the browser on the HTC One is way faster and it boots up a hell of a lot faster and the animation on the scroll is smoother, where it looks like it is dropping frames on the Windows Phone.
Windows Phone is smooth on the whole yeah, however it's a myth to me that Android is a laggy pos that requires a super computer to run well. I look at my usage on my HTC One and what does it say? 2 cores in use, 2 cores on idle and it's clocked at 1.1ghrz. So in reality Android doesn't need 4 cores to run well, those cores are only used from moment to moment when the cpu requires it. The same with memory, my phone is using 768mb ram right now, it doesn't need 2gb of ram, though I'm guessing a chunk of that is for the GPU as well, when it comes to memory, more is always better as it allows games to use larger texture files and what not. So I just don't get why you'd spend more money for less, I don't find that acceptable, yeah if the price was cheaper then it would be fine but... it isn't.
Battery life as well for the 1020 is meant to be horrible if you actually use the thing you buy it for, the camera. It's only 2000MaH and you cannot replace it and from my experience with the 808, you really need to replace that battery if you're taking lots of shots. If an Android device got that poor battery life, people would be going crazy, yet it's another thing that because it's Nokia... let them get away with it. I get 1-2 days out of my HTC One, it's only like 300MaH more than the Nokia 1020 and the 920, it's proof again for me that Android doesn't drain battery life mad, it's how you use it. You have freedom on Android to use the device how you life, I'm sure if you have 6 pages of widgets and you have every app open from under the sun in the background, you will drain battery. I'm just glad I have the freedom to do that and with true multitasking, not just a saved state.
I have to come onto form factor as well, again if an Android phone was as big as a 920 or a 1020 then people would be going crazy, even if it was an iPhone. Every review says the 920 is giant and hard to fit into your pocket and every review says the 1020 is horrible to hold because they put the camera bump too low down. Why do they get a free pass from that? People hated how the HTC One rocked about on a flat surface but no one seems to care that the 1020 is even worse.
Windows Phone lacks apps, it's a restrictive OS where you have to wait for Microsoft to do everything for you. It's basically a worse IOS with a different look, both pride themselves on being smooth but where Windows Phone lacks functionality, people give it a free ride because it looks different. I see so much hate on IOS because of Apple and how it's a closed OS, yet the same people do not care it's the same for Windows Phone. If Microsoft made it open like the desktop, I'd be so happy, however I hate having to wait years for them to do something, when a custom rom would have already done it on Android. Yet in every argument, the good points of Android never come up, it's always these unfounded arguments of how poorly it runs. I just think do your research, if you're going to buy a PoS phone that runs Android, then that's your own fault, you can find those cheap good for nothing phones on any platform.
At the end of the day though the 920 had a mediocre over saturated camera where the images were far too soft. I remember a website doing a blind comparison and funnily enough the iPhone 5 was everyone's favourite because Apple just get the software so right. The 1020's focus is obviously the camera and technically it beats everything but the 808, which lets be honest isn't really a smart phone as it runs Symbian. I've owned an 808, I've compared pictures to the 1020 and the 808 looks much better, especially in full resolution mode. I had to sell the 808 because I couldn't stand being on Symbian any longer and a camera doesn't make a phone, I can buy a separate camera and I have. I have a go pro 3 for my Motorcycle and I have a DSLR for shooting pictures I actually care how they turn out... obviously a DSLR beats even the 808 and 1020.
Again though I think the 1020s camera is flawed, it doesn't have a dedicated image processor, so images take so long to save. At the same time I could have taken 20 images on the HTC One or GS4 and for every day use they look just as good when you upload them to facebook or whatever people do. I think people are trying to treat the 1020 as some professional camera and forgetting about the rest of the phone. If you want a professional camera, there are much better options and you don't get locked into a 2 year contract paying $300 upfront. I do not feel that it's a good quick point of shoot like most other smart phones out there, just simply because it does take a long time to save images. Obviously the image quality is better, I've had first hand experience, however the images are over saturated like mad, judging by the 920, Nokia will not fix this. The images are over sharpened, you can not go down to ISO 50 and there is no ND filter for direct sunlight shots. So I don't see any advanced in this camera over say the 808 or a dedicated camera, I cannot see why it's hyped so much. The end result is too much grain and noise in the picture, especially if you use Nokia's automatic settings which just increase the ISO even in the daylight to 200... no wonder why there is so much noise. Realistically I want to be putting it to 50... yet I can't?
I think there is far too much hype for the phone that doesn't really do anything really well, the OIS could have been much better and the mic performance is lacking. I'm not sure if it's their software controlling the mics or if it's crap hardware. However it sounds like it's only recording in mono or it's really muffled or something, maybe Windows Phone doesn't support stereo recording?
You get these crazy rabid Nokia fanbois now just going crazy if there is any criticism and it's really weird. You don't get this from Android because people aren't tied to an OEM, people generally just go for the best handset that is released at that moment in time.

slannmage said:
What I don't understand is at the start of the year we had the big show down of the GS4 vs the HTC One. People were going spec crazy to even the fact that the GS4 must be better because it has DDR3 or the HTC One screen must be better because the PPI is 480 (my phone says 480) to the GS4s 441. We even had people complain that the GS4 was a pentile screen and it didn't look as sharp as the HTC One and that OLED fades over time and if you have a static image on for too long, you'll see burn in. I can confirm the screen burn with OLEDs, the phones I've had in the past with OLED screens always get it.
However suddenly when it comes to Nokia they seem to get away with selling you dated hardware. It's 720p, the PPI is 334 and it's a PENTILE OLED screen...... they even put this tinted black glass over the front to try and hide the future screen burn. Somehow Nokia get away with it and people don't care, where it comes to everyone else however, they'll get scrutinized and people will say it's **** straight away.
Not only that but you're getting a dated S4 dual core and an Adreno 225 which is 2/3 years old at this point. What Nokia are basically doing is selling you last years hardware at $300 on contract! I could accept the argument that Windows Phone doesn't need better hardware or whatever, though nor does Android. My Galaxy S2 never had any lag or weird issues at the time it was released, it was one of the fastest phones out there. It's easy to look back at it now and say it was a PoS, that's because the software has evolved to the point it's showing its age. My point is, I'm not going to buy a phone that is crazy expensive, to get dated hardware that is now so cheap that Nokia must be making a mint.
I keep seeing this argument of how Android is laggy and requires 1000 cores to run properly. It's just not the case, I have a HTC One and Android runs perfectly smooth, no stutter and nothing has pushed it in terms of gaming and the browser is mega fast. If I put the HTC One next to a Windows phone in a store and compare them, I'm not seeing Android lag at all. In fact what I do see is the browser on the HTC One is way faster and it boots up a hell of a lot faster and the animation on the scroll is smoother, where it looks like it is dropping frames on the Windows Phone.
Windows Phone is smooth on the whole yeah, however it's a myth to me that Android is a laggy pos that requires a super computer to run well. I look at my usage on my HTC One and what does it say? 2 cores in use, 2 cores on idle and it's clocked at 1.1ghrz. So in reality Android doesn't need 4 cores to run well, those cores are only used from moment to moment when the cpu requires it. The same with memory, my phone is using 768mb ram right now, it doesn't need 2gb of ram, though I'm guessing a chunk of that is for the GPU as well, when it comes to memory, more is always better as it allows games to use larger texture files and what not. So I just don't get why you'd spend more money for less, I don't find that acceptable, yeah if the price was cheaper then it would be fine but... it isn't.
Battery life as well for the 1020 is meant to be horrible if you actually use the thing you buy it for, the camera. It's only 2000MaH and you cannot replace it and from my experience with the 808, you really need to replace that battery if you're taking lots of shots. If an Android device got that poor battery life, people would be going crazy, yet it's another thing that because it's Nokia... let them get away with it. I get 1-2 days out of my HTC One, it's only like 300MaH more than the Nokia 1020 and the 920, it's proof again for me that Android doesn't drain battery life mad, it's how you use it. You have freedom on Android to use the device how you life, I'm sure if you have 6 pages of widgets and you have every app open from under the sun in the background, you will drain battery. I'm just glad I have the freedom to do that and with true multitasking, not just a saved state.
I have to come onto form factor as well, again if an Android phone was as big as a 920 or a 1020 then people would be going crazy, even if it was an iPhone. Every review says the 920 is giant and hard to fit into your pocket and every review says the 1020 is horrible to hold because they put the camera bump too low down. Why do they get a free pass from that? People hated how the HTC One rocked about on a flat surface but no one seems to care that the 1020 is even worse.
Windows Phone lacks apps, it's a restrictive OS where you have to wait for Microsoft to do everything for you. It's basically a worse IOS with a different look, both pride themselves on being smooth but where Windows Phone lacks functionality, people give it a free ride because it looks different. I see so much hate on IOS because of Apple and how it's a closed OS, yet the same people do not care it's the same for Windows Phone. If Microsoft made it open like the desktop, I'd be so happy, however I hate having to wait years for them to do something, when a custom rom would have already done it on Android. Yet in every argument, the good points of Android never come up, it's always these unfounded arguments of how poorly it runs. I just think do your research, if you're going to buy a PoS phone that runs Android, then that's your own fault, you can find those cheap good for nothing phones on any platform.
At the end of the day though the 920 had a mediocre over saturated camera where the images were far too soft. I remember a website doing a blind comparison and funnily enough the iPhone 5 was everyone's favourite because Apple just get the software so right. The 1020's focus is obviously the camera and technically it beats everything but the 808, which lets be honest isn't really a smart phone as it runs Symbian. I've owned an 808, I've compared pictures to the 1020 and the 808 looks much better, especially in full resolution mode. I had to sell the 808 because I couldn't stand being on Symbian any longer and a camera doesn't make a phone, I can buy a separate camera and I have. I have a go pro 3 for my Motorcycle and I have a DSLR for shooting pictures I actually care how they turn out... obviously a DSLR beats even the 808 and 1020.
Again though I think the 1020s camera is flawed, it doesn't have a dedicated image processor, so images take so long to save. At the same time I could have taken 20 images on the HTC One or GS4 and for every day use they look just as good when you upload them to facebook or whatever people do. I think people are trying to treat the 1020 as some professional camera and forgetting about the rest of the phone. If you want a professional camera, there are much better options and you don't get locked into a 2 year contract paying $300 upfront. I do not feel that it's a good quick point of shoot like most other smart phones out there, just simply because it does take a long time to save images. Obviously the image quality is better, I've had first hand experience, however the images are over saturated like mad, judging by the 920, Nokia will not fix this. The images are over sharpened, you can not go down to ISO 50 and there is no ND filter for direct sunlight shots. So I don't see any advanced in this camera over say the 808 or a dedicated camera, I cannot see why it's hyped so much. The end result is too much grain and noise in the picture, especially if you use Nokia's automatic settings which just increase the ISO even in the daylight to 200... no wonder why there is so much noise. Realistically I want to be putting it to 50... yet I can't?
I think there is far too much hype for the phone that doesn't really do anything really well, the OIS could have been much better and the mic performance is lacking. I'm not sure if it's their software controlling the mics or if it's crap hardware. However it sounds like it's only recording in mono or it's really muffled or something, maybe Windows Phone doesn't support stereo recording?
You get these crazy rabid Nokia fanbois now just going crazy if there is any criticism and it's really weird. You don't get this from Android because people aren't tied to an OEM, people generally just go for the best handset that is released at that moment in time.
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The hype is for the camera. It is much better than anything out there. There are dozens of reviews for this phone already. They have regurgitated the same things you have listed. No one in the mainstream tech media is trying to distort the truth. Just because searching Lumia 1020 on Google turns up a million hits from MyNokiaBlog and WPCentral and WMPoweruser, the domain names should already make it obvious. These are fansites and propaganda sites with almost zero traffic. Just because you see them often on Google or twitter doesn't mean everyone is gushing over the Lumia 1020 and ignoring or justifying all its failings. No one has this phone and no one is buying this phone. The Lumia 1020 forum at WPCentral is almost dead and this forum is practically dead. This is the internet. It should be pretty obvious that it only takes one or two people posting incessantly to make it feel like a legion.
Lol people call me a troll when I post long rants about the Lumia 1020. But this is a real troll rant. Blowing up little flaws and non-issues, or spinning misinformation. It's like an aggregate or everything bad that has been ever said about this phone, true or false, for the sake of piling it on instead of real concern. I actually care about the Pureview tech, so I complain alot. I think you're just bored.

Nothing I said was false.

All true things no doubt. But if you value having a truly great camera in your pocket, then the shortcomings are able to be quite easily overlooked.
The only things lasting more than two years in your phone are your pictures - why not get the best ones possible so you can have good mementos?
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Wow... you really need to get back on your medications dude. Maybe get outside more.

LagunaCid said:
All true things no doubt. But if you value having a truly great camera in your pocket, then the shortcomings are able to be quite easily overlooked.
The only things lasting more than two years in your phone are your pictures - why not get the best ones possible so you can have good mementos?
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Exactly. During his techno-babble rant against the 1020 (or is it the 920? or WP in general? )... the one spec that the OP forgot to mention ... the one that is most salient to why the 1020 is getting hype... the one that everyone is talking about... the fact that it has a 41MB camera. Oops, must have forgotten that one. I'll say it again, FORTY ONE MEGABYTE camera. That is not a leap in phone technology and innovation, it is a freakin rocket launch. That absolutely crushes all existing smart phones, beats most point-and-shoots, and even produces better photos than some entry level DSLRs. None of the other specs matter if the OS runs smooth (save maybe the screen argument... although you blew that too. Ive had a 920 since it came out and there is no sign of fading or burn-in at all, and never will be during its useful life). Number of cores... GHZ processor... blah... blah... blah... none of that matters if the user experience is excellent, which it is and you even admitted:
Windows Phone is smooth on the whole yeah
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Having quad core this or over-clocked that does a WP user no good because unlike android, it doesn't need it to run properly. That is stuff that android users haggle about. But the one things that your phone won't ever do... ever... with all it's technical superiority and all... is take 41-freakin-MB photo

You know what really grinds my gears with Nokia? Battery. Can they at least ball up and put something that actually lasts? 2000mAh is n.o.t.h.i.n.g. for smartphone these days, especially phone with CPU/data active OS like WP. Got 920 and then swapped it for 925 (work phones), and i really really don't talk that often or use it, and i couldn't even last a day without shutting things down. Sad.

I am an amateur photographer, I had the lumia 1020 phone since release and I haven't looked back. In matter of fact I stopped using my galaxy note II completely. Alot of people say megapixels are over rated but 41mp has been really helpful to me, I can crop out like 5 individual pictures out of 1 shot without losing quality.

smuook said:
Exactly. During his techno-babble rant against the 1020 (or is it the 920? or WP in general? )... the one spec that the OP forgot to mention ... the one that is most salient to why the 1020 is getting hype... the one that everyone is talking about... the fact that it has a 41MB camera. Oops, must have forgotten that one. I'll say it again, FORTY ONE MEGABYTE camera. That is not a leap in phone technology and innovation, it is a freakin rocket launch. That absolutely crushes all existing smart phones, beats most point-and-shoots, and even produces better photos than some entry level DSLRs. None of the other specs matter if the OS runs smooth (save maybe the screen argument... although you blew that too. Ive had a 920 since it came out and there is no sign of fading or burn-in at all, and never will be during its useful life). Number of cores... GHZ processor... blah... blah... blah... none of that matters if the user experience is excellent, which it is and you even admitted:
Having quad core this or over-clocked that does a WP user no good because unlike android, it doesn't need it to run properly. That is stuff that android users haggle about. But the one things that your phone won't ever do... ever... with all it's technical superiority and all... is take 41-freakin-MB photo
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You mean 41 Mega Pixel photos? 41 MP not MB. I can make most cameras take a 41MB picture but it doesnt mean its going to look good. Its an innovation for its packaged size as in for its ability to be designed into a relatively thin form factor. In fact the full 41 MP, photos are not as good as its down sampled 5MP version. The hardware on the 1020 is solid only the camera is bleeding edge. My problem with WP is not the hardware or the UI its the app ecosystem. The lack of the apps I absolutely need keeps me from getting one. I had a 920 last year for a week and the lack of my most used apps was just too much. I waited and those apps still arent on WP. I will continue to wait till WP has the apps I need before I buy another one.