I haven't seen this posted here yet. I cannot find any evidence of this spyware on my Sense-based rom, but am wondering if it would be worthwhile flashing OMFGB until this all gets sorted out.
http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-android-phone-is-secretly-recording-everything-you-do
Darn. The board is broken again.
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Darn. The board is broken again.
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Think you meant search was broke . But as mike.s was saying, VZW tweeter that CIQ is not on ANY of their phones.
Carrier IQ spyware is on NBC News with Brian Williams tonight.
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Think you meant search was broke . But as mike.s was saying, VZW tweeter that CIQ is not on ANY of their phones.
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correct. VZW has officially said there's no CIQ on any of their phones. If you want to check for your own self-satisfaction, there's an app called Voodoo Simple CarrierIQ Detector. It's still a beta but is semi-reliable and shows no trace of CIQ on my thunderbolt.
See below
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Bet they already hid it somewhere you can't look.
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Thunderbolt nothing found
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Bet they already hid it somewhere you can't look.
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If they were going to hide it, they would probably put it in the baseband (radio) firmware which I don't think anyone has checked. Of course, that is assuming the baseband hardware/software can even access the main CPU which is possible. After all, any firewire device can be used to gain full administrator/root access to a computer and even dump the entire ram contents by abusing DMA access.
https://market.android.com/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.simplecarrieriqdetector
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Running skyraider on my tbolt. No CIQ detected. Nor on my 4g xoom. Good, that's where I do the bad stuff. ;-)
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Anyone know if he's tweets mean I shouldn't be rooted and on a custom rom? I didn't think I'm uncapped with a hack
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Here's his tweet @P3Droid I can not explain, Just get that sh!+ off, If you uncapped your Bolt, GET YOUR A$$ BACK TO STOCK, NOW!!!
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Nooo. Did you use the tethering hack?
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Nope there is no tethering hack
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Only if you used the hack. Rooted and custom roms are good to go.
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Thank you
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Yup. : )
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Well jcase insured the idea that we will be okay so I thank him
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Are you talking about wireless tether as the tether hack? I don't have p3droid on my Twitter so I'm not sure I'm understanding what the hack actually is.
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Are you talking about wireless tether as the tether hack? I don't have p3droid on my Twitter so I'm not sure I'm understanding what the hack actually is.
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Ditto. What hack should we be running from?
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Only if you used the hack. Rooted and custom roms are good to go.
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which hack are you talking about. can u link to the hack in question?
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which hack are you talking about. can u link to the hack in question?
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There isn't one. Why would we need one? We get free tether til may 15 if I remember correctly.
Seems like he's just spewing nonsense. Keeps talking about undoing some hotspot and uncapped data hacks that no one has any clue what hes talking about. He keeps saying he'll post more info but doesn't, then says he'll explain later but doesn't. I think what he's talking about is AndIRC's April fools fake data hack, just scroll through his twitter feed, it makes absolutely no sense.
http://mobile.twitter.com/p3droid
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He's talking about the patch that was released to fix the wireless tether issue with the current Gingerbread version. If you just installed wireless tether without the hack then as soon as you tried to start a hotpot it would direct you to verizons page telling you to sign up for their tether package. This patch made it so wireless tether would work as it always has. For some reason he is telling whoever applied the patch to undo it. It has nothing to do with being rooted or having a custom rom installed.
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He's talking about the patch that was released to fix the wireless tether issue with the current Gingerbread version. If you just installed wireless tether without the hack then as soon as you tried to start a hotpot it would direct you to verizons page telling you to sign up for their tether package. This patch made it so wireless tether would work as it always has. For some reason he is telling whoever applied the patch to undo it. It has nothing to do with being rooted or having a custom rom installed.
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Do we even have gingerbread?
I put up a fix in development.
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Do we even have gingerbread?
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Aside from that, he keeps talking about some uncapped lte hack that no one has ever heard of, he says supposedly people were getting 40mbps, though no one has ever heard of this hack before, " If you uncapped your Bolt, GET YOUR ASS BACK TO STOCK, NOW!!!" He told some guy that if he goes over 150GB data this month Verizon will come after him lol.
Get your tin foil hat out.
Wait so if we just installed wireless tether(just for the hell of it) and used it, its fine? I'm not really understanding this either. I'm not getting crazy lte speeds either (I think)
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Aside from that, he keeps talking about some uncapped lte hack that no one has ever heard of, he says supposedly people were getting 40mbps, though no one has ever heard of this hack before, " If you uncapped your Bolt, GET YOUR ASS BACK TO STOCK, NOW!!!" He told some guy that if he goes over 150GB data this month Verizon will come after him lol.
Get your tin foil hat out.
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Yeah I think he's just starting up drama. And the 40mbps is a glitch in the speedtest app.
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Wait so if we just installed wireless tether(just for the hell of it) and used it, its fine? I'm not really understanding this either. I'm not getting crazy lte speeds either (I think)
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Again, the ridiculous speeds were a glitch. follow teamandirc on twitter.
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/05/13/does-custom-rom-support-affect-the-buying-process/
....just to keep a eye out
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This has been known for a while .
I don't see this being a problem for very long especially on htc, considering that phones like the holiday will more then likely have international "brothers/sisters", that means there will be dev support worldwide working to break open a phones boot loader. I would assume the only reason it hasn't been done to the atrix, is because honestly the phone is a flop. Blur put a bad taste in everyones mouth and not alot of people want to mess with moto.
If you hit up other htc phone boards here on xda there are literally hundreds of developers working on htc phones. I have said it before where there is a will there is a way.
Atrix is no flop
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Locked bootloaders do much harm to the phones' sales. I like the sense rom but the default stock one comes with a lot of bloat and poor battery performance. I flashed the dilligaf's V2 rom and my phone now flies. When the manufacturers cannot unleash the full potential of the phone, why the hell do they have to lock their bootloaders for?
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Atrix is no flop
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That's not what the saturated dev section for the atrix tells me.
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Atrix is no flop
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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Lol
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danielsaenz said:
I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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HAHAHA! That's funny sh*t.
Anyways... If the manufacturers and Phone companies would actually leave the phones open, we wouldn't have this issue.
It wouldn't be too hard for them to do...build a recovery image right into the phone. If something screws up, they is a keypress sequence that would force install factory firmware. Bam...No more brick, and start over. I know I have reference the PSP in several other posts, but they did it right. Maybe the phone manufacturers should take a hint.
There is a PSP dev that goes by Dark_Alex... He created the "Despertar del Cementerio." This translates to "Wake the Dead." This was a service battery and memory stick combo that would literally UNBRICK your PSP. I actually have one, and have purposely killed the power during a firmware update to test it. And it works! Anyways, the point is...this is VERY possible with these phones, no one has done it yet tho.
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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Haha, I LOLed at work when I read this.
ATT seems to have something to do with this. If I hadn't been able to root my inspire I'd probably have returned it. Too much bloat. Bloated on a phone like that males it even worse (also I never liked MOTO)
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Well if its not rootable and cannot access recovery,then I don't bother. I was walking thru fryys when I saw the inspire and knew I had to get it. Trading my sgs vibrant+$150 for a new inspire sounded great to me. But I didn't think if the bootloader was unlocked or not. Luckily,it was. I got Lucky on this one
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Anyone else see where Samsung gave all the devs at CyanogenMod free Galaxy S IIs for official devolopment?
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Anyone else see where Samsung gave all the devs at CyanogenMod free Galaxy S IIs for official devolopment?
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Yup, saw the tweets over the weekend. 2 dev's that I know of so far.
luckyduck69 said:
Anyone else see where Samsung gave all the devs at CyanogenMod free Galaxy S IIs for official devolopment?
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Folks with that device r gonna be very happy in the near future
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THE GODS ENVY US!!!!!!!!!
I cant imagine the support that phone is going to get. I mean it isnt even out in the states and the devs already have it.
I wish Tmobile would pick it up...
/facepalm.
i buy the SGS 4G, and then hear about this.
I have sneaky idea that someone will find the unlock code for this as well so it can be use by T-Mobile peeps
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Is that the U.S. CDMA version or the Europe GSM version?
rose2jam said:
I have sneaky idea that someone will find the unlock code for this as well so it can be use by T-Mobile peeps
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its not a matter of it being unlocked, you can purchase them unlocked from alot of places. its a matter of NONE of them being able to utilize tmobiles 3g/4g AWS bands. They will only work on edge as far as data goes.
Eric-1987 said:
I wish Tmobile would pick it up...
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although T-Mobile will not be getting the sgsII (supposedly) Its likely we will be getting this Goliath monster of a phone.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/
Edit: I noticed the article does not mention the battery size... if it shares a similar battery with the infuse 4g it should be a 1750mah battery.
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although T-Mobile will not be getting the sgsII (supposedly) Its likely we will be getting this Goliath monster of a phone.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/
Edit: I noticed the article does not mention the battery size... if it shares a similar battery with the infuse 4g it should be a 1750mah battery.
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+1 this is probably cause tmo's 4g will be approaching 100+mbps by the end of the year
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+1 this is probably cause tmo's 4g will be approaching 100+mbps by the end of the year
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I didnt know that... but I know I am waiting for more info on this phone. Sounds like it may even trump the SGSII (excluding dev support).
For all those who worry about a bricked device with rooting, fear no more.......
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/16/verizon-begins-charging-full-price
I received this link from my buddy who works internally for Verizon this morning, after i asked him about this two weeks ago as some rumors were floating around saying VZW would charge you full price if you rooted and needed a replacement
This is in no way a guaranty that you will not be charged, any time you root your device you void your warranty blah blah blah
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VZW may not check, but HTC probably will. HTC may be "root friendly" but they don't want bad press about their products, either. If HTC finds evidence of root, there is nothing to stop them from reporting that to VZW, who will likely charge you full retail price for the reburbished phone they sent you as a replacement.
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VZW may not check, but HTC probably will. HTC may be "root friendly" but they don't want bad press about their products, either. If HTC finds evidence of root, there is nothing to stop them from reporting that to VZW, who will likely charge you full retail price for the reburbished phone they sent you as a replacement.
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Nope, not correct sir, but I see what your thinking, once the device passes the 3 checks, it gets sent off to be broken down for refurb device parts
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Verizon might not, but their contracted refurb centers do.
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Verizon might not, but their contracted refurb centers do.
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Exactly. Just file an insurance claim and be done with it.
jcase said:
Verizon might not, but their contracted refurb centers do.
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Doesn't matter, cause the refurb centers can't charge you as well as there is no path for them to turn around and tell VZW that a device was rooted, once the receiving warehouse verifies the meid and the 3 physical checks its sent off to the refurb center to be taken apart, I worked for Big red for 6 years, once it leaves the receiving warehouse it's gone, so even if they (refurb center) did it wouldnt matter
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Exactly. Just file an insurance claim and be done with it.
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Free vs $90 or whatever it is......Hummm.......... Think I'll take the free option
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It still amazes me that people think businesses won't protect themselves from scammers. They may not make it a priority to catch every single one, but spot checks will happen. It would be a really horrible business practice to allow everyone to scam you out of your own product.
Link all the articles you want, but when they show their numbers for Quarter/Year, they'll take note on how much money was lost to "defective" merchandise. If that number is abnormally high...your ass will be grass when they start investigating the new returns.
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Free vs $90 or whatever it is......Hummm.......... Think I'll take the free option
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90 bucks vs whatever they charge if they find it rooted...
I'm guessing it depends on where it goes. Regardless, i'll pay the insurance just in case.
Kind of like car insurance, haven't used it in 10+ years, but still carry it.
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VZW may not check, but HTC probably will. HTC may be "root friendly" but they don't want bad press about their products, either. If HTC finds evidence of root, there is nothing to stop them from reporting that to VZW, who will likely charge you full retail price for the reburbished phone they sent you as a replacement.
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I dunno about that I got mine replaced, but then again the screen was water logged so perhaps there wasn't a way to check without powering on screen. I've known many people who have turned in rooted phones and never had a problem...
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It still amazes me that people think businesses won't protect themselves from scammers. They may not make it a priority to catch every single one, but spot checks will happen. It would be a really horrible business practice to allow everyone to scam you out of your own product.
Link all the articles you want, but when they show their numbers for Quarter/Year, they'll take note on how much money was lost to "defective" merchandise. If that number is abnormally high...your ass will be grass when they start investigating the new returns.
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1.4 million customers and of that 260,000 thunderbolts.....of that 25,000 to 50,000 rooted, and that's a liberal number it's probably less, I'm no math major but I doubt there will be any major impact on "defective" merch and Verizon has an internal sop with equipment and issues, if the "defective" device replacements hits a certain %, the device moves to "end of life" and they stop carrying it, it's that simple, they're not going to investigate anything
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Keep believing that...
Cause no one at Verizon has a clue.
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Keep believing that...
Cause no one at Verizon has a clue.
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It's not a matter of believing, it's a matter of knowing, and I am, hence the signature
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Says everything I needed to know. Moving on...
Maybe Verizon wont, but somewhere along the line someone will know.
Every time you do this you are signing a petition begging carriers and manufacturers to lock down their devices and persecute the root community.
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You can't talk sense to these people, they just keep going and going and complain later when the companies institute crazy rules and pricing. It's illegal, plain and simple, but you'll never convince them of anything.
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Says everything I needed to know. Moving on...
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Was more intended as a reference to the GB Rom vs the XDA Noob Video, but whatever flips your skirt lol
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Maybe Verizon wont, but somewhere along the line someone will know.
Every time you do this you are signing a petition begging carriers and manufacturers to lock down their devices and persecute the root community.
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I agree, carnage, but we must still try. Unfortunately, too many people think only of short term selfish benefit, and not about long-term consequences for the whole community.
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You can't talk sense to these people, they just keep going and going and complain later when the companies institute crazy rules and pricing. It's illegal, plain and simple, but you'll never convince them of anything.
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not to add fuel to the fire but it is not illegal to root your phone.. and aren't you yourself falling into the category of "people" that refuse to believe what others have to say as true?
redtechjunky said:
For all those who worry about a bricked device with rooting, fear no more.......
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/16/verizon-begins-charging-full-price
I received this link from my buddy who works internally for Verizon this morning, after i asked him about this two weeks ago as some rumors were floating around saying VZW would charge you full price if you rooted and needed a replacement
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Your internal friend gave you a link to an android blog site...
cool story bro
They do know. I just told a VZW rep I was on 605.9 they knew I was on 605.5
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They do know. I just told a VZW rep I was on 605.9 they knew I was on 605.5
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Of course they know, they don't care they even get joy when they make you do a master reset for every issue.
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He actually had me put my phone in safe mode which like removed my apps but didn't.
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They also know when you switch roms. It shows up as a re-activation.
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They also know when you switch roms. It shows up as a re-activation.
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Really?? How come when Im in the setup wizard nothing comes up as ' activating'?
I don't know the technical aspects but when I needed a replacement they asked me why my phone was reactivated so much citing the exact dates and times. Fortunately it didn't prove that my phone was rooted because factory resets also force these so-called reactivations
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They can't see what rom your running just whether or not you accept otas
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...they asked me why my phone was reactivated so much...
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My answer would be, "I have no idea what you're talking about".
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Really?? How come when Im in the setup wizard nothing comes up as ' activating'?
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HTC could have it designed to do that in the background, hidden. No need to display anything.
They do know what Rom you are running as well as the android version if I'm not mistaken... I'm not sure if its logged but they do know.
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Just had to do a warranty claim the other night. (hardware issue) While on the phone and casually talking to the rep he asked why I didn't accept the newest update. Told them I have been ignoring it until I'm sure it wasn't going to add any major bugs to the already smooth running device. After some more chat I asked him what version their system showed I had, he said he didn't have that information, all he knew is that I had not accepted the update yet.
Hmm... I'll talk to my buddy
That works at the switch. Maybe he'll know. He's told me other stuff!
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It could have something to do with the level of CSA you are dealing with? Perhaps the frontline does not have access to that, but as you complain your way up the ladder, more and more info becomes available to the techs.
They might have a way of getting a confirmation that we accepted the OTA update. Just like receiving text or email confirmations. If we accept the OTA, Verizon might get a confirmation with our meids that we downloaded
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They do not know jack sh*t. speaking in general and not necessarily about rooting etc. every time i talk with a rep at a store or customer service i am told something different in regards to everything from terms of service, billing, etc. they are a joke.
....cough....cough...CARRIER IQ ......cough....
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....cough....cough...CARRIER IQ ......cough....
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You're using the wrong ROM then.
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You're using the wrong ROM then.
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More like the wrong carrier. (not that VZW doesn't have some kind of other bull hidden away in there)
In any case I remember someone posting in here WAYYY back that when on the phone with a CSR they were able to see that he was running DAS BAMF. Likely was a load of crap but its possible they can see something similar to what you see in the software portion of the about phone section.
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More likely that they see an OTA has been sitting on their server waiting for the device. Most CSR's know very very little about phone software, and especially how to resolve issues other than recommending battery pulls and factory data resets. Higher level techs are much more knowledgeable and probably more intuitive. I could probably work for a company like Verizon, but I see no joy in that business.
Yeah bottom line techs are retarded. Guy I talked to didn't even know what a bootloader was.... sad...
Now that's sad.