http://www.phonedog.com/2011/05/13/does-custom-rom-support-affect-the-buying-process/
....just to keep a eye out
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This has been known for a while .
I don't see this being a problem for very long especially on htc, considering that phones like the holiday will more then likely have international "brothers/sisters", that means there will be dev support worldwide working to break open a phones boot loader. I would assume the only reason it hasn't been done to the atrix, is because honestly the phone is a flop. Blur put a bad taste in everyones mouth and not alot of people want to mess with moto.
If you hit up other htc phone boards here on xda there are literally hundreds of developers working on htc phones. I have said it before where there is a will there is a way.
Atrix is no flop
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Locked bootloaders do much harm to the phones' sales. I like the sense rom but the default stock one comes with a lot of bloat and poor battery performance. I flashed the dilligaf's V2 rom and my phone now flies. When the manufacturers cannot unleash the full potential of the phone, why the hell do they have to lock their bootloaders for?
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That's not what the saturated dev section for the atrix tells me.
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Atrix is no flop
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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Lol
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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HAHAHA! That's funny sh*t.
Anyways... If the manufacturers and Phone companies would actually leave the phones open, we wouldn't have this issue.
It wouldn't be too hard for them to do...build a recovery image right into the phone. If something screws up, they is a keypress sequence that would force install factory firmware. Bam...No more brick, and start over. I know I have reference the PSP in several other posts, but they did it right. Maybe the phone manufacturers should take a hint.
There is a PSP dev that goes by Dark_Alex... He created the "Despertar del Cementerio." This translates to "Wake the Dead." This was a service battery and memory stick combo that would literally UNBRICK your PSP. I actually have one, and have purposely killed the power during a firmware update to test it. And it works! Anyways, the point is...this is VERY possible with these phones, no one has done it yet tho.
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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Haha, I LOLed at work when I read this.
ATT seems to have something to do with this. If I hadn't been able to root my inspire I'd probably have returned it. Too much bloat. Bloated on a phone like that males it even worse (also I never liked MOTO)
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Well if its not rootable and cannot access recovery,then I don't bother. I was walking thru fryys when I saw the inspire and knew I had to get it. Trading my sgs vibrant+$150 for a new inspire sounded great to me. But I didn't think if the bootloader was unlocked or not. Luckily,it was. I got Lucky on this one
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As most of you know that the Sammy Infuse will be out on the 15th. Who is giving up their Inspire for the Infuse????
I dont "pay" for Samsung products. Junk.
My opinion is sense>touchwiz by a long shot. I don't think the Infuse does enough for me as far as specs go to warrant a change.
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I dont "pay" for Samsung products. Junk.
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My feelings E X A C T L Y!
how would one go about switching phones, i've read in other threads that people have switch phones from one to another. what are at&ts rules on this? are they paying full price?
The captivate was my first and last Samsung phone.... ever
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The captivate was my first and last Samsung phone.... ever
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+1
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I'm sorry, I really want to like Samsung phones again but I can't. My blood pressure can only take but so much. The HTC stays.
Why would you do that to yourself?
HTC is light years ahead of Samsung when it comes to cell phones.. I've kept my inspire STOCK as its ten times better than a hacked Samsung.
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how would one go about switching phones, i've read in other threads that people have switch phones from one to another. what are at&ts rules on this? are they paying full price?
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If within the 30days of original purchase, then you can do a swap out (buyers remorse period). After 30 days you need to go through the Warranty department - It is very difficult to get a swap for a different Make/model phone - especially when a phone first comes out - They usually don't have the "full kit" available for make/model swap outs..
Your other choices are to pay off contract values, or early upgrade (if they let you).
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The captivate was my first and last Samsung phone.... ever
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Same here. I don't think that the Captivate was a bad phone really but no way I am ever going to deal with Samsung again.
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+1 more
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+1 more
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And yet another +1
Just say no to Samsung. They ****ed up with the captivate fiasco.
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Hell no.
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HTC Inspire FTMFW
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sonluan said:
HTC Inspire FTMFW
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Hell yea!!!
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not since the epic
AvengerBB said:
The captivate was my first and last Samsung phone.... ever
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X3. Never again with Samsung phones. Advertised features were never implemented (gps), I had multiple hardware issues with multiple handsets, glacial pace of official updates that leave much to be desired upon arrival...no thanks. The only thing it has going for it is Dev support.
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TouchWiz looks like it was designed by kids.
Maybe they should call it TouchKids...
Wait, something about that sounds wrong...
Lol great post.^^^^^^^
The captivate was enough to make me wince at the infuse, but a gs2 would be mighty nice. The sensation looks sensational, but don't know if it will include ATT's 3g bands.
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WERE FREEEE! =) htc has quit its locked bootloader ways. We win
Proof?
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The CEO of HTC announced it.
Awesome! They probably come to realize how much of a bad idea it would be and what it would do to its sales and market share.
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http://htcsource.com/
It's true, I just read the press release. Nice to know HTC cares about the dev community.
I'll be a customer for life now.
To freakin cool!
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To freakin cool!
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HTC standing their ground. Love it.
Now the only thing holding them back is making devices for ATT...
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How does "making" devices for AT&T hold back HTC?
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Now the only thing holding them back is making devices for ATT...
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They make devices for other providers...switch. problem solved
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How does "making" devices for AT&T hold back HTC?
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Because AT&T Doesnt really like for people to make their device their "own" they want you to use the phone as is..
Now we know the htc holiday will come open and easy for roms!
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Because AT&T Doesnt really like for people to make their device their "own" they want you to use the phone as is..
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Not sure why people blame the carriers for this. Sure they would like you to pay for tethering but they obviously don't have a set policy. Devices range from Samsung which can be flashed without even rooting in some cases to Motorola with locked, signed, encrypted, blah blah. If the carriers were the ones making the decision on bootloaders then there would seem to be more consistency across manufacturers. Sprint even said publicly that they have no say in the matter and were deferring to HTC on the fate of the EVO 3d.
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Not sure why people blame the carriers for this. Sure they would like you to pay for tethering but they obviously don't have a set policy. Devices range from Samsung which can be flashed without even rooting in some cases to Motorola with locked, signed, encrypted, blah blah. If the carriers were the ones making the decision on bootloaders then there would seem to be more consistency across manufacturers. Sprint even said publicly that they have no say in the matter and were deferring to HTC on the fate of the EVO 3d.
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That may be true publicly but privately, I believe carriers heavily "encourage" manufacturers to lock the bl (perhaps even with incentives.)
Carriers defer to the manufacturers questions like this to avoid looking like the bad guy. Kinda like the hot-potato when it comes to OS upgrades.
Sprint: "We're waiting for HTC to get Froyo ready."
HTC: "We're waiting for Sprint to QA their custom apps and functionality."
HTC, you've made me and millions of other HTC users customers for life.
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I don't know about you guys...but I'm getting pretty sick of ATT and they are about to jack up their prices again...I'm just a pessimist, don't worry bout me
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Agreed att is nothing but money hungry eating sharks. I hate them personally but not their phones.
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Agreed att is nothing but money hungry eating sharks. I hate them personally but not their phones.
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All the cell providers in America meet this definition...companies exist for the soul purpose of maoijf money and it just happens that at&t seems to not lose business no matter what they do so they don't have to appease customers. Simple as that.
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HTC, you've made me and millions of other HTC users customers for life.
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+100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
(That's a lot, ain't it?)
That's ****ing *****in' news.
HTC, prepare to dominate.
w00t
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Just wondering if anybody knows if Verizon gonig get a nexus phone? if so that will be next phone..sick of waiting for updates man
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Just wondering if anybody knows if Verizon gonig get a nexus phone? if so that will be next phone..sick of waiting for updates man
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Don't think anyone knows but i hope they get it.
Don't know either but my fingers are crossed. My guess is that aosp is a little too "open" for Verizon's likes.
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Don't know either but my fingers are crossed. My guess is that aosp is a little too "open" for Verizon's likes.
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what do you mean? sorry if its a dumb question.
Yeah its hard to say. I Verizon doesn't really like openness... But who knows. We can always hope right?
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what do you mean? sorry if its a dumb question.
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Verizon likes to junk up their phones with all kinds of bloatware.
verizon LTE + nexus would be a smash hit...
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Verizon likes to junk up their phones with all kinds of bloatware.
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Agreed. Verizon won't pass up a chance for extra revenue that Blockbuster & similar crapware can generate.
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Agreed. Verizon won't pass up a chance for extra revenue that Blockbuster & similar crapware can generate.
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they bent over backwards for apple...
Currently I don't care for an pure google phone becuase i'd probably root it and installed CM7. But it would be nice to get one.
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they bent over backwards for apple...
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They bent over backwards for Apple because they have been kicking themselves since they passed on the iPhone the first time. They saw the chance to steal a big amount of AT&T iPhone users and jumped. Now if they actually stole a lot of AT&T iPhone users is a different matter. I don't think they stole that many so far. I think when the next iPhone comes out, they will see a big influx.
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Currently I don't care for an pure google phone becuase i'd probably root it and installed CM7. But it would be nice to get one.
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What do you mean? Google phones are MADE for rooting and flashing custom ROMs.... and in fact the Nexus 1 and Nexus S both have CM7.
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Currently I don't care for an pure google phone becuase i'd probably root it and installed CM7. But it would be nice to get one.
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LOL. Sorry couldn't help it.
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Hopefully the rumors of the nexus prime are true and it comes to Verizon. LTE equipped.
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verizon LTE + nexus would be a smash hit...
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*drools* holy crap that would be freakin' amazing!!!!
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They bent over backwards for Apple because they have been kicking themselves since they passed on the iPhone the first time. They saw the chance to steal a big amount of AT&T iPhone users and jumped. Now if they actually stole a lot of AT&T iPhone users is a different matter. I don't think they stole that many so far. I think when the next iPhone comes out, they will see a big influx.
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I said what I said because Verizon changed their closed ways for a iphone... Not sure why they wouldn't do it for an Android phone. The nexus phones are sellers as well and if they really want to take away users from all carriers (not just at&t) they need to have one in their line up.
They will be able to take advantage of having the fastest network (while they still can) with a 4G nexus phone.
Talk about killing it! They would rape the competition having an iPhone and a 4G nexus phone.
The time is now if they are smart.
No one remembers the droid 1 with STOCK 2.0? The Xoom with STOCK 3.0 even?
The Droid one is not pure Google
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No one remembers the droid 1 with STOCK 2.0? The Xoom with STOCK 3.0 even?
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xoom was only stock because they didnt have time to mess it up, not because moto was trying to be ambivalent. They wanted to rush it out before the ipad2.
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LOL. Sorry couldn't help it.
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Why. I had a nexus one running cm7 and now I have a Tbolt running cm7. Yes there's a lot of development support for the device but im happy with the tbolt.
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. hey guys please sign that petition. Htc's ceo lied and said no more locked bootloaders back in may well the vivid has a locked bootloader. Lets please support our android brothers . http://www.groubal.com/htc-vivid-has-locked-bootloader-contrary-to-statements-by-the-company/#sign
I signed it.
That was one of the main reasons why I went with Galaxy Skyrocket vs Vivid.
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Done......
Thanks to everyone who's signing it, you guys are awesome.
HTC has it's positives, and so does Samsung, but this is a total NEGATIVE on HTC's part...
My dream phone:
Build Quality from HTC
Internal Hardware from Samsung
Connectivity (Data, Signal, WiFi) from Motorola
AOSP from Google
^- Amazing phone...... <3
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Thanks to everyone who's signing it, you guys are awesome.
HTC has it's positives, and so does Samsung, but this is a total NEGATIVE on HTC's part...
My dream phone:
Build Quality from HTC
Internal Hardware from Samsung
Connectivity (Data, Signal, WiFi) from Motorola
AOSP from Google
^- Amazing phone...... <3
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I gota say i do not disagree with this^^^^^^^^
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I gota say i do not disagree with this^^^^^^^^
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That's because it's PERFECT!
True ,and if ever this new google powerd motosamtc phone hits the market id buy it
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new google powerd motosamtc phone
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Say what? Sounds like the age ol myth about the perfect woman!
DOne
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Done
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I believe Moto also said no more locked bootloaders. And they've kept their word. Apparently operators can still lock the bootloaders if they choose, though - maybe that's what happened with HTC?
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I believe Moto also said no more locked bootloaders. And they've kept their word. Apparently operators can still lock the bootloaders if they choose, though - maybe that's what happened with HTC?
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That's what it says.. HTC raider is the same phone but another carrier... And its unlockable.
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I believe Moto also said no more locked bootloaders. And they've kept their word. Apparently operators can still lock the bootloaders if they choose, though - maybe that's what happened with HTC?
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atrix2=locked bootloader
Done
And I too would in a heartbeat buy the perfect phone, lol
Off topic, can we have a petition like this to have the carriers release truly unlimited data?
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Thanks to everyone who's signing it, you guys are awesome.
HTC has it's positives, and so does Samsung, but this is a total NEGATIVE on HTC's part...
My dream phone:
Build Quality from HTC
Internal Hardware from Samsung
Connectivity (Data, Signal, WiFi) from Motorola
AOSP from Google
^- Amazing phone...... <3
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^^^^^^^^^^
Heck ya
Wish it was possible.
Wont HTC unlock the bootloader with their online service? I'm sure it'll take forever for them to post it up but they should eventually. Maybe I'm confused. Either way I hate locked bootloaders.
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Done. 10 char
Wife (who just got a Vivid) and I (who just got a Skyrocket) signed it.
Signing now!
Swyped from mah 3vo!
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Wont HTC unlock the bootloader with their online service? I'm sure it'll take forever for them to post it up but they should eventually. Maybe I'm confused. Either way I hate locked bootloaders.
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Yeah but it's terrible.
Swyped from mah 3vo!
willing to trade my ATRIX 2 for a HTC inspire
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willing to trade my ATRIX 2 for a HTC inspire
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As someone who owns both, I would recommend you stick it out and wait for the magic of an unlocked bootloader and custom ROMs to unlock the full potential of this phone and its dual-core CPU.
Compared to my Inspire, the battery life, lighter weight, better call quality, better antenna, and what seems to be crisper screen make my move from one to the other worth it.
I came from an Inspire, don't trade for it.... I love HTC phones, but I had a ton of oddities, with it.
There are a ton of things that can be done with out an unlocked bootloader, even ROMs, this phone has only been out a little over 60 days, hang tight there will be a ton of great things for this phone.
If you must trade for a mid line phone think about a used sgs, or an Infuse. If you really want a TOP end then go for an unlocked galaxy nexus.
Otherwise hang tight, and use bloat freezer, for the bloat on this phone, it is not bad for a stock build. If you don't like Blur, go get ADW launcher or Go Launcher Pro, or something like that.
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willing to trade my ATRIX 2 for a HTC inspire
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Don't do it big daddy!
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Yeah! This phone is a beast even without custom ROM'S.
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willing to trade my ATRIX 2 for a HTC inspire
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I hope you're asking for cash on top. The Atrix 2 is a far better device compared to the Inspire. Not to say the Inspire is a bad device, but the Atrix 2 has far better specs compared to the Inspire. Good luck.
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Don't do it.
I can't say that I'm jumping ship, but since my Atrix 2 is stuck in a bootloop and probably will be until the bootloader gets unlocked, I just ordered an Inspire from GreenCells to get me by in the meantime. As soon as the Atrix gets unf*cked though, you can bet I'll be switching back.
I've had so many f**king problems with this thing it insane. I've exchanged this phone 3 times at best buy cause of the same problems and once w/ AT&T. I don't know if I can deal with the same problems again. Such as screen scrambling "like snow on a TV" also random reboots, just to name a few. there are a lot more things I'm having go wrong.
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willing to trade my ATRIX 2 for a HTC inspire
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Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!
BIGDADDYXXL said:
I've had so many f**king problems with this thing it insane. I've exchanged this phone 3 times at best buy cause of the same problems and once w/ AT&T. I don't know if I can deal with the same problems again. Such as screen scrambling "like snow on a TV" also random reboots, just to name a few. there are a lot more things I'm having go wrong.
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Instead of choosing the inspire and you don't like the ATRIX 2 then see if they'll exchange for the sgs2. I had a nexus s they exchanged for the ATRIX 2. It could happen....maybe.....
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I have a question... I have a Stock Atrix2, its doing all kinds of Crazy stuff, Im pissed off now, they announce a fix for the verizon Droid Slopzor, its been out 15th the time Atrx 2 is out. Its also suffering from many of the same things. I think the Atrix 2 should have been fixed or both at the same time.
Question: Does XDA have a Native Mail app similar to what Motorolas Native app can do, has a select all, and undo tab, dumping trash is a pleasure or in any folder..one click your done.?
I have an inspire I will trade right now I also have an atrix 1 love it been wanting a atrix 2
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give me both a u gotta deal
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give me both a u gotta deal
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LOL!!!
I wouldnt trade ya my blackberry bold for a Inspire!
Girlfriend had one, you think the Atrix 2 has problems! Trust me you going in the opposite direction looking for a good phone, but good luck!
JRW 28 said:
LOL!!!
I wouldnt trade ya my blackberry bold for a Inspire!
Girlfriend had one, you think the Atrix 2 has problems! Trust me you going in the opposite direction looking for a good phone, but good luck!
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I had the Inspire. Except for the crappy battery life, it was a decent phone.
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I'm calling at&t today see if they'll send me a sgs2. this thing has rebooted itself 3 times since I turned it on at 7 this morning and its only 11. wtf
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Have you tried a battery pull? Sometimes it works.
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I'm calling at&t today see if they'll send me a sgs2. this thing has rebooted itself 3 times since I turned it on at 7 this morning and its only 11. wtf
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they may offer you another atrix 2. i wouldnt hesitate to do it if they dont give you a different phone. lemons do happen although very rare but it does happen.
tylercarter said:
they may offer you another atrix 2. i wouldnt hesitate to do it if they dont give you a different phone. lemons do happen although very rare but it does happen.
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Unless you got your phone online or over the phone, they aren't going to send you another phone, let alone an upgrade. If you got the Atrix 2 from a store, you're going to have to take it back to the store. If you've had the phone for more than a month, they will tell you to call warranty exchange to get a refurbished replacement, but not before spending copious amounts of time troubleshooting first. If you have been with AT&T for a long time, without any shutoffs, or a late payment history, you can try the "I'll cancel my service" routine, which usually doesn't work, because you will still have pay an ETF. Basically, they own you until your contract expires. It sucks, but that's how AT&T rolls.
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