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[Topic] Beware future crackdowns

http://www.phonedog.com/2011/05/13/does-custom-rom-support-affect-the-buying-process/
....just to keep a eye out
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This has been known for a while .
I don't see this being a problem for very long especially on htc, considering that phones like the holiday will more then likely have international "brothers/sisters", that means there will be dev support worldwide working to break open a phones boot loader. I would assume the only reason it hasn't been done to the atrix, is because honestly the phone is a flop. Blur put a bad taste in everyones mouth and not alot of people want to mess with moto.
If you hit up other htc phone boards here on xda there are literally hundreds of developers working on htc phones. I have said it before where there is a will there is a way.

Atrix is no flop
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Locked bootloaders do much harm to the phones' sales. I like the sense rom but the default stock one comes with a lot of bloat and poor battery performance. I flashed the dilligaf's V2 rom and my phone now flies. When the manufacturers cannot unleash the full potential of the phone, why the hell do they have to lock their bootloaders for?

rjayflo said:
Atrix is no flop
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That's not what the saturated dev section for the atrix tells me.
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rjayflo said:
Atrix is no flop
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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danielsaenz said:
I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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Lol
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danielsaenz said:
I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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HAHAHA! That's funny sh*t.
Anyways... If the manufacturers and Phone companies would actually leave the phones open, we wouldn't have this issue.
It wouldn't be too hard for them to do...build a recovery image right into the phone. If something screws up, they is a keypress sequence that would force install factory firmware. Bam...No more brick, and start over. I know I have reference the PSP in several other posts, but they did it right. Maybe the phone manufacturers should take a hint.
There is a PSP dev that goes by Dark_Alex... He created the "Despertar del Cementerio." This translates to "Wake the Dead." This was a service battery and memory stick combo that would literally UNBRICK your PSP. I actually have one, and have purposely killed the power during a firmware update to test it. And it works! Anyways, the point is...this is VERY possible with these phones, no one has done it yet tho.

danielsaenz said:
I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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Haha, I LOLed at work when I read this.
ATT seems to have something to do with this. If I hadn't been able to root my inspire I'd probably have returned it. Too much bloat. Bloated on a phone like that males it even worse (also I never liked MOTO)
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Well if its not rootable and cannot access recovery,then I don't bother. I was walking thru fryys when I saw the inspire and knew I had to get it. Trading my sgs vibrant+$150 for a new inspire sounded great to me. But I didn't think if the bootloader was unlocked or not. Luckily,it was. I got Lucky on this one
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No more bootloaders

WERE FREEEE! =) htc has quit its locked bootloader ways. We win

Proof?
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The CEO of HTC announced it.

Awesome! They probably come to realize how much of a bad idea it would be and what it would do to its sales and market share.
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http://htcsource.com/

It's true, I just read the press release. Nice to know HTC cares about the dev community.
I'll be a customer for life now.

To freakin cool!

Tx Redneck said:
To freakin cool!
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HTC standing their ground. Love it.

Now the only thing holding them back is making devices for ATT...
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How does "making" devices for AT&T hold back HTC?

ThEiiNoCeNT said:
Now the only thing holding them back is making devices for ATT...
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They make devices for other providers...switch. problem solved

Androidude said:
How does "making" devices for AT&T hold back HTC?
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Because AT&T Doesnt really like for people to make their device their "own" they want you to use the phone as is..

Now we know the htc holiday will come open and easy for roms!

moonmanxo said:
Because AT&T Doesnt really like for people to make their device their "own" they want you to use the phone as is..
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Not sure why people blame the carriers for this. Sure they would like you to pay for tethering but they obviously don't have a set policy. Devices range from Samsung which can be flashed without even rooting in some cases to Motorola with locked, signed, encrypted, blah blah. If the carriers were the ones making the decision on bootloaders then there would seem to be more consistency across manufacturers. Sprint even said publicly that they have no say in the matter and were deferring to HTC on the fate of the EVO 3d.

newter55 said:
Not sure why people blame the carriers for this. Sure they would like you to pay for tethering but they obviously don't have a set policy. Devices range from Samsung which can be flashed without even rooting in some cases to Motorola with locked, signed, encrypted, blah blah. If the carriers were the ones making the decision on bootloaders then there would seem to be more consistency across manufacturers. Sprint even said publicly that they have no say in the matter and were deferring to HTC on the fate of the EVO 3d.
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That may be true publicly but privately, I believe carriers heavily "encourage" manufacturers to lock the bl (perhaps even with incentives.)
Carriers defer to the manufacturers questions like this to avoid looking like the bad guy. Kinda like the hot-potato when it comes to OS upgrades.
Sprint: "We're waiting for HTC to get Froyo ready."
HTC: "We're waiting for Sprint to QA their custom apps and functionality."

HTC, you've made me and millions of other HTC users customers for life.
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I don't know about you guys...but I'm getting pretty sick of ATT and they are about to jack up their prices again...I'm just a pessimist, don't worry bout me
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Agreed att is nothing but money hungry eating sharks. I hate them personally but not their phones.
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codyperez86 said:
Agreed att is nothing but money hungry eating sharks. I hate them personally but not their phones.
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All the cell providers in America meet this definition...companies exist for the soul purpose of maoijf money and it just happens that at&t seems to not lose business no matter what they do so they don't have to appease customers. Simple as that.
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trell959 said:
HTC, you've made me and millions of other HTC users customers for life.
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+100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
(That's a lot, ain't it?)
That's ****ing *****in' news.
HTC, prepare to dominate.
w00t
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HTC announces it will no longer lock bootloaders

"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
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http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084

Vivified said:
http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
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but i still want Galaxy S II

Ingenious move on their part. More power to them.

Wether a htc fan or not, to me this of good news. It shows that people like us are being heard and that no one with any real modding knowledge wants unlocked bootloaders. You hear that moto?
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I think that the carrier(s) were behind it, and now HTC has cut a deal or told them to shove it.
Regardless it's good news.

Excellent news!

Awesome stuff, but can I haz SuperAMOLED Plus with that?
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MikeyMike01 said:
I think that the carrier(s) were behind it, and now HTC has cut a deal or told them to shove it.
Regardless it's good news.
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Yea, I.could be wrong but aren't all of htc's locked phones on verizon
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Damn, amazing news. This is really going to make my next phone decision difficult.

Great news as I am thinking of getting an htc phone next. But what does this have to do with Captivate other then lure people away lol.

Another blow to Samsung. Great to have more options.

smart move
htc would have been getting their asses handed to them by samsung and lg in the near future if they locked it up

Wrong forum

cappysw10 said:
Another blow to Samsung. Great to have more options.
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How is this a blow to Samsung? Not like sammy is locking down their bootloaders
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watsaa said:
but i still want Galaxy S II
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I want a phone with hi-fi audio!
rpicaso said:
Wrong forum
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sparker366 said:
Great news as I am thinking of getting an htc phone next. But what does this have to do with Captivate other then lure people away lol.
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I was just giving a heads-up guys, lighten up. I don't read the other forums myself much and I'd appreciate to know this myself had I not seen it.

supergear said:
How is this a blow to Samsung? Not like sammy is locking down their bootloaders
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Opens up a whole new market for HTC
Caution swyping! Read at your own risk.

While this is good news for those of us that like HTC, this is not captivate related.
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Any chance Verizon going get a Pure Google phone?

Just wondering if anybody knows if Verizon gonig get a nexus phone? if so that will be next phone..sick of waiting for updates man

mbrown3460 said:
Just wondering if anybody knows if Verizon gonig get a nexus phone? if so that will be next phone..sick of waiting for updates man
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Don't think anyone knows but i hope they get it.

Don't know either but my fingers are crossed. My guess is that aosp is a little too "open" for Verizon's likes.
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lrs421 said:
Don't know either but my fingers are crossed. My guess is that aosp is a little too "open" for Verizon's likes.
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what do you mean? sorry if its a dumb question.

Yeah its hard to say. I Verizon doesn't really like openness... But who knows. We can always hope right?
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mbrown3460 said:
what do you mean? sorry if its a dumb question.
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Verizon likes to junk up their phones with all kinds of bloatware.

verizon LTE + nexus would be a smash hit...

wiredmonkey said:
Verizon likes to junk up their phones with all kinds of bloatware.
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Agreed. Verizon won't pass up a chance for extra revenue that Blockbuster & similar crapware can generate.
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sublimaze said:
Agreed. Verizon won't pass up a chance for extra revenue that Blockbuster & similar crapware can generate.
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they bent over backwards for apple...

Currently I don't care for an pure google phone becuase i'd probably root it and installed CM7. But it would be nice to get one.
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PhillyCheez said:
they bent over backwards for apple...
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They bent over backwards for Apple because they have been kicking themselves since they passed on the iPhone the first time. They saw the chance to steal a big amount of AT&T iPhone users and jumped. Now if they actually stole a lot of AT&T iPhone users is a different matter. I don't think they stole that many so far. I think when the next iPhone comes out, they will see a big influx.

ddgarcia05 said:
Currently I don't care for an pure google phone becuase i'd probably root it and installed CM7. But it would be nice to get one.
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What do you mean? Google phones are MADE for rooting and flashing custom ROMs.... and in fact the Nexus 1 and Nexus S both have CM7.

ddgarcia05 said:
Currently I don't care for an pure google phone becuase i'd probably root it and installed CM7. But it would be nice to get one.
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LOL. Sorry couldn't help it.
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Hopefully the rumors of the nexus prime are true and it comes to Verizon. LTE equipped.

PhillyCheez said:
verizon LTE + nexus would be a smash hit...
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*drools* holy crap that would be freakin' amazing!!!!

orkillakilla said:
They bent over backwards for Apple because they have been kicking themselves since they passed on the iPhone the first time. They saw the chance to steal a big amount of AT&T iPhone users and jumped. Now if they actually stole a lot of AT&T iPhone users is a different matter. I don't think they stole that many so far. I think when the next iPhone comes out, they will see a big influx.
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I said what I said because Verizon changed their closed ways for a iphone... Not sure why they wouldn't do it for an Android phone. The nexus phones are sellers as well and if they really want to take away users from all carriers (not just at&t) they need to have one in their line up.
They will be able to take advantage of having the fastest network (while they still can) with a 4G nexus phone.
Talk about killing it! They would rape the competition having an iPhone and a 4G nexus phone.
The time is now if they are smart.

No one remembers the droid 1 with STOCK 2.0? The Xoom with STOCK 3.0 even?

The Droid one is not pure Google
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joshnichols189 said:
No one remembers the droid 1 with STOCK 2.0? The Xoom with STOCK 3.0 even?
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xoom was only stock because they didnt have time to mess it up, not because moto was trying to be ambivalent. They wanted to rush it out before the ipad2.

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LOL. Sorry couldn't help it.
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Why. I had a nexus one running cm7 and now I have a Tbolt running cm7. Yes there's a lot of development support for the device but im happy with the tbolt.
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So has any dev tried to make it so we could use the internal memory?

Just wondering, would be nice.
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I think that's only gonna happen if the BL gets unlocked

916x10 said:
I think that's only gonna happen if the BL gets unlocked
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if that ever happens

jstrayy said:
if that ever happens
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*double checks*Yep, I said IF

Im not sure they could do that any way, it seems like its app only storage....but i'm not sure, maybe they can...it'd be cool if they could
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DarkJatrix said:
Im not sure they could do that any way, it seems like its app only storage....but i'm not sure, maybe they can...it'd be cool if they could
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If they can ever get the BL unlocked i'm almost 100% certain it can be used

Patience. In Time
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916x10 said:
*double checks*Yep, I said IF
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Just emphasizing .... really seems hopeless at this point
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Motorola has definitely heard our out cries about the BL and still haven't done anything. Which makes me think they aren't ever going to. for instance, on their Facebook page they will post something such as, "what is your favorite tv show" and over 50% of the comments are completely unrelated. And those unrelated comments are about unlocking the bootloader.

okachowwa said:
Motorola has definitely heard our out cries about the BL and still haven't done anything. Which makes me think they aren't ever going to. for instance, on their Facebook page they will post something such as, "what is your favorite tv show" and over 50% of the comments are completely unrelated. And those unrelated comments are about unlocking the bootloader.
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Kind of stupid if you ask me... the A2 is underrated in the market and didn't have a very successful launch. Only reason I got it was because I loved the first one, and I am happy with this one as well. Motorola would make good money if they unlocked bootloaders and wouldn't have to replace as many handsets if they already came unlocked.. or maybe I'm missing something? Their marketing team has to be smarter than that.
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jstrayy said:
Kind of stupid if you ask me... the A2 is underrated in the market and didn't have a very successful launch. Only reason I got it was because I loved the first one, and I am happy with this one as well. Motorola would make good money if they unlocked bootloaders and wouldn't have to replace as many handsets if they already came unlocked.. or maybe I'm missing something? Their marketing team has to be smarter than that.
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I was going to say its cause of the carrier, but doesnt at&t sell other devices w/unlocked BL.
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916x10 said:
I was going to say its cause of the carrier, but doesnt at&t sell other devices w/unlocked BL.
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The carrier has some say but ultimately it's up to whoever makes the phones... and Motorola keeps saying that we're going to have unlocked bootloaders but how long has the A2 been out and nothing? That's why people are going to Samsung, easier to mess around with. If I pay for something I wanna be able to use it to it's full potential! But I hate Samsung so I'll remain with my atrix for the time being. And if by the time I can upgrade I don't have an unlocked bootloader or a newer Motorola android w unlocked bootloader then I am going to iPhone (if there's a jailbreak for the 5 by that time).
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The carrier has some say but ultimately it's up to whoever makes the phones... and Motorola keeps saying that we're going to have unlocked bootloaders but how long has the A2 been out and nothing? That's why people are going to Samsung, easier to mess around with. If I pay for something I wanna be able to use it to it's full potential! But I hate Samsung so I'll remain with my atrix for the time being. And if by the time I can upgrade I don't have an unlocked bootloader or a newer Motorola android w unlocked bootloader then I am going to iPhone (if there's a jailbreak for the 5 by that time).
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I've used the Samsung and HTC, but the motorola devices, to me, just look and feel better in my hand....this atrix 2 also has all the power I need too. I don't have a contract, I use this on straight talk so I can't upgrade easily any way...lol
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DarkJatrix said:
I've used the Samsung and HTC, but the motorola devices, to me, just look and feel better in my hand....this atrix 2 also has all the power I need too. I don't have a contract, I use this on straight talk so I can't upgrade easily any way...lol
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But no throttling right? Everything has a silver lining!
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jstrayy said:
But no throttling right? Everything has a silver lining!
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Ive hit 7GB in data and still pulling around 4mbs, so no throttling here
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DarkJatrix said:
Ive hit 7GB in data and still pulling around 4mbs, so no throttling here
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I've hit 12gb on att and no throttling yet... I'm just crossing my fingers that they don't catch on and enforce it on me... Idk what I'll do with having to limit myself :'(
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jstrayy said:
I've hit 12gb on att and no throttling yet... I'm just crossing my fingers that they don't catch on and enforce it on me... Idk what I'll do with having to limit myself :'(
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Lol. I dont have access to wifi so I NEED my data and the speeds have babied me tremendously
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I really don't care about hacking method for using internal memory. The simple reason that is memory cards in our country are very cheap, just $6/14/25 for geniune 8/16/32G Sandisk class 4.
How about you ?

vinamilk said:
I really don't care about hacking method for using internal memory. The simple reason that is memory cards in our country are very cheap, just $6/14/25 for geniune 8/16/32G Sandisk class 4.
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Same, but I like having internal memory as well. That was an added reason of me buying the phone, only to find out that I couldn't use the internal memory.
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jstrayy said:
Same, but I like having internal memory as well. That was an added reason of me buying the phone, only to find out that I couldn't use the internal memory.
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You got plenty of internal for apps at least.
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