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Another interesting tidbit from the web:
What's the Holdup with Froyo Update? We'll explain...
AT&T is trying to fill the internal SD card with as much bloat as possible, it takes time to make sure the phone will run as crappy as possible.
AT&T and Samsung are both focusing most of their time and energy on their upcoming phones revealed at CES. Samsung is notorious for their slow updates, sometimes they don't even update their phones at all. And AT&T is slow at releasing updates because of having to put all of their bloatware in there
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The same thing that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.
Its not Samsung!!!.. 2.2 is out in the rest of the world!! its AT&T and T-mobile.. that slow things down. Canada's Captivate got the 2.2 update... and the phone just came out their a month ago and the phone is the same as the USA Captivate.... and the other Samsung S phones got the update some over 2 months ago...
devho said:
The same **** that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
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You mean motoblur and a locked bootloader?
New Captivate noob....
Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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You can either:
-Pay more per month (I think it's $10)
-Install a custom ROM and do it for free
But yes, you can use it as a hotspot for a laptop.
liquid blue said:
Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.
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I read this earlier today on phandroid. It certainly sounds plausible, and it wouldn't surprise me at all. I sent a tweet to GalaxySSupport about it - can't wait to see what they say about it.
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Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow.
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Let me know if this actually happens. I tried, twice, to order a Captivate from AmazonWireless using their 2-day shipping option. When they failed the first time they promised to send it overnight. That one showed up 6 days later and was refused since I had already gone and bought one on sale at Radio Shack. They suck.
Funny reading that article - they make it sound as though the delay is being blamed on the z4root app. seriously? no matter what they do to the next vers. of android. we will root it
Bottom line is these updates are an extremely low priority for Samsung. Dev's here at XDA put together roms in a matter of days and they do it by hacking apart official (or leaked) software from other phones. Imagine if they had access to the driver and kernel source code like Samsung does? Imagine if they were the people who built the hardware and knew all the ins and outs of it? I realize that Samsung has to test their updates a LOT more than dev's here (where we are often the testers), but its been 6 months since the phone's release and over a year since Froyo's release. Not to mention that Samsung has an IT team whereas dev's here are usually 1 person working in their spare time.
Also I wanted to mention that I don't think that AT&T adds the bloatware themselves; I believe Samsung does it according to AT&T's wishes. The few leaked froyo updates we got for the captivate were AT&Tified with bloat and all. Since those were leaks and not nearly done, there is no way they went to AT&T to add in the bloat. Now, that doesn't mean AT&T can't delay the process. I'd imagine they get a chance to test any firmware Samsung gives them and they can reject it back Samsung, wasting more time.
One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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Its probably been said but it's not $am$ung anymore, its AT$T. They have 2.2 but they are "testing" (filling it with bloatware).
Sent from my Galaxy S Captivate...still no Froyo...
To be honest, now that Roger's release Froyo for their Captivate, there is no point to continue to wait for the AT&T release. The Roger's version even has WiFi hotspot, tethering, and the option to install non-market apps out of the box. This is what I am running with a few tweaks here and there. No complaints.
I have come to the conclusion that I will not buy another branded handset from AT&T ever again. I also will probably not by a Samsung product again for a while as well.
The only reason I want a Stock Froyo release for the captivate is to get Samsung to release the GPL required kernel source. With this, our devs can make ROMS that are faster, and more stable. I am HOPING that the release of Rogers 2.2 firmware means that this source code release is imminent. Otherwise we may have to get involved with pestering Samsung to put the source out.
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But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
Originally Posted by boborone
At&t stopped the 6.5 win mo update for the fuze so people would buy the tilt 2. Why should this be any different?
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Not sure where you saw that. It was not a AT&T or HTC decision. Microsoft only allowed official WM 6.5 updates for phones with the "Windows" button on them. Since the Fuze had a "home" button, it did not qualify for WM 6.5. If AT&T had held it back, then other Raphael, Diamond, and/or Blackstone handsets (Verizon TP, etc) would have gotten WM 6.5. In fact none of the Raphael, Diamond, or Blackstone phones got WM 6.5.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
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Thanks for the quote. I find it interesting that boborone admits that Microsoft has hardware requirements but doesn't realize that one of Microsoft's hardware requirements for WM 6.5 was that a 'Windows" button was required.
Honestly, I don't know if AT&T has ever blocked a software/firmware upgrade from a manufacturer in order to sell new phones, but I doubt they make enough money by blocking an update to a 1 year old phone to make any difference. As most people have 2 year contracts, they are not going to upgrade after only 1 year. The iPhone seems to be the notable exception to this, but by allowing iPhone users to upgrade to a new version at a discounted rate after 1 year, AT&T is losing more money than by keeping them on the their old iPhone for an extra 6-12 months. AT&T allows early upgrades in order to extend contracts before they expire and garner customer loyalty. Whether or not my 1 year old Fuze got WM 6.5 or not, I still waited 18 months before upgrading to get the extra discount and the availability of official (or un-official) WM 6.5 for my phone had no impact on my decision...it was all about the extra $50 discount.
In short, I don't think the availability (or lack there-of) of Froyo for the Captivate has anything to do with AT&T trying to make money by getting users to replace the Captivate with a phone that runs Froyo, especially since as of today, the only AT&T phone running Froyo is still the Aria which is a cheaper phone, and even when the Atrix/Infuze/Inspire are released, no Captivate owners (that purchased a Captivate with their new phone discount) will qualify for a new phone yet. Delaying or refusing an update to the Captivate (when other SGS phones are getting Froyo) is much more likely to cost AT&T in the long term as dissatisfied customers go to other carriers.
By far the most likely cause of the delay is exactly what has been said (you just need to read between the lines a little). Samsung said that the delay was due to "complexity issues" last week, and this week the delay is to ensure a "smooth upgrade." Those two pieces of information combined with all the reported upgrade problems on other SGS phones and Kies Mini frequently having issues recognizing that a phone is plugged in cause "complexity" and would result in an upgrade that is not "smooth" for the customers.
The Kies mini problems have to be addressed, and since the US is the only country that uses Kies mini, it only affects US carriers. For me, Kies mini only recognizes my phone about 10% of the time on a Windows XP machine. On my Windows 7 machine, Kies (full version 1.5.0.80) recognizes when my phone is plugged in 100% of the time (even when I do not select Kies for the connection).
I remember back when the 1st generation WP7 handsets were launched, sideloading was a hot topic and everybody discusses about it. Soon after, Chevron came up with an unlock which allowed sideloading and users were happy.
But when 2nd generation WP7.5 handsets were launched, I see virtually no discussions at all about sideloading on these phones, and I think it's a waste. It'd be great to have the discussions going on how this can be done, who can do it, what needs to be available for it to be done. Soon maybe XDA will come up with a way to unlock the 2nd generation handsets and allow sideloading?
Or is XDA almost exclusive to Android already?
Microsoft's official jailbreak tool will be released soon and will be compatible with 2nd generation WP7 devices, so you'll be able to sideload. It won't be free, but I'm almost sure that, after the release, someone will work out how to do It for free.
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I remember back when the 1st generation WP7 handsets were launched, sideloading was a hot topic and everybody discusses about it. Soon after, Chevron came up with an unlock which allowed sideloading and users were happy.
But when 2nd generation WP7.5 handsets were launched, I see virtually no discussions at all about sideloading on these phones, and I think it's a waste. It'd be great to have the discussions going on how this can be done, who can do it, what needs to be available for it to be done. Soon maybe XDA will come up with a way to unlock the 2nd generation handsets and allow sideloading?
Or is XDA almost exclusive to Android already?
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this thread talks about sideloading on 7.5 for some time now. The only devices which are not covered at the moment are HTCs, but it's just a matter of time.
so, yes, there are discussions here for 2nd generation devices. Sideloading is not a limitation of the hardware version (1st or 2nd generation) but of the OS and people are working on 7.5 and already have solutions for many devices.
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Microsoft's official jailbreak tool will be released soon and will be compatible with 2nd generation WP7 devices, so you'll be able to sideload. It won't be free, but I'm almost sure that, after the release, someone will work out how to do It for free.
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Nice. But I wonder if they will set any limitations on that unlock? I'm a bit skeptical because it's Microsoft who locks it, and now it's Microsoft who unlocks it. Not sure if we will enjoy more, or less freedom.
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this thread talks about sideloading on 7.5 for some time now. The only devices which are not covered at the moment are HTCs, but it's just a matter of time.
so, yes, there are discussions here for 2nd generation devices. Sideloading is not a limitation of the hardware version (1st or 2nd generation) but of the OS and people are working on 7.5 and already have solutions for many devices.
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I think the interop-unlock is for first generation devices that come with 7.5? I'm not sure, but according to the instructions it only works if you revert back to NoDo? I think new WP7.5 devices (non-HTC) like Omnia W, Focus S, Lumia 800 may not work because they dont' have NoDo to revert back to? Again I'm not so sure about it...
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I think the interop-unlock is for first generation devices that come with 7.5? I'm not sure, but according to the instructions it only works if you revert back to NoDo? I think new WP7.5 devices (non-HTC) like Omnia W, Focus S, Lumia 800 may not work because they dont' have NoDo to revert back to? Again I'm not so sure about it...
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Take a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271963
This should also work with the new Samsung phones.
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and the Dell Venue Pro...
I have been a symbian fanboy and I found windows phone very interesting.
I decided to buy a windowsphone.
What I found after following windowsphone for sometime is that this os has some restrictions.
some of those restrictions like bt file sharing,usb mass storage mode etc can be lifted if you can unlock your phone completely.
I decided to buy 2nd gen phones like lumia 800 so that I can unlock them using chevron labs.but there seems to be no more new tokens.
but as of now there is no way to jailbreak 2nd gen phones.
So I decided to go for samsung focus.
what I fear now is will it be upgraded to windowsphone 8 or not?
will there be any method coming in the future to unlock 2nd gen phones?
I like to mod and install unsigned apps .
please suggest me friends what to do?
Well, there are no promises in hacking. It seems you have done your research so you kinda answered your own questions as much as anyone else could. Nobody knows what devices will get WP8 since MS hasnt stated anything one way or the other offcially. Basically if you want to mod to the fullest extent you need a first gen htc or samsung, to a lesser extent a second gen samsung should do fine. If you want to be sure to get WP8 wait untill MS says what will and what won't get it.
So far, all Windows phones have gotten all of the signifficant updates. We'll see how long this holds true, but the (admittedly short) history of the OS says that even though some devices may be a bit later than others, everybody gets the major updates. Microsoft seems to have committed to this pretty strongly. My guess is that they'll ship updates for all phones sold within a two-year period of the update coming out, since that's where people will be in contracts (I know some places do three-year contracts, but at the rate tech advances, three years is a long time).
The Focus was still on sale just a few months ago. I fully expect it to get updates through at least Windows Phone 8.5 (late 2013, by the current twice-annual-significant-update schedule). No guarantees, of course, but that's my guess.
Additionally, you should be able to send updates via CAB files even if the phone falls out of official support. The firmware will get out of date, which might make some features of the new OSes less valuable (for example, Mango added the managed Compass API, but a firmware update was needed to make it usable). Bugfixes and major features will probably keep on coming, though. If nothing else, the Samsung gen1 phones have unlockable bootloaders, so you can install custom ROMs. The fact that you can run WP7 build 8107 on the HD2 - a phone that wasn't supposed to run WP7 at all - suggests that the Focus will probably be viable for quite some time.
I decided to go for samsung focus.
but I have a small doubt.
I havr read that windows break project does not work if firmware version is kk2.
so if I get focus with kk2 firmware,is there any way to downgrade to previous firmware and apply windows break?
if I get focus without mango(which might be the case in my country),after applying windows break and updating to mango,will focus be interop-locked again?
is the interop-unlock and bootloader unlock same?
if so how to unlock bootloader and install custom roms?
sorry for barrage of questions as iam a noob.
any help woukd be appreciated?
It's possible to downgrade the firmware, yes. Just flash an older (stock) ROM onto your phone.
Mango will reset your dev-unlock status, which probably means losing both interop-unlock and dev-unlock. However, you can interop-unlock after upgrading to Mango (interop-lock didn't even exist pre-Mango).
To avoid getting KK2 by accident, you should stop the update process as soon after getting Mango as you can. Then, use WindowBreak. You cna then install the remaining updates if you want to, I guess, but I'd suggest avoiding KK2 until a really good reason for it shows up.
Interop-unlock is completley different from bootloader unlock, though both are (indirectly) ways to get more access. Unlocking the bootloader is required for installing custom ROMs, which typically come "full-unlocked" and can do things not even possible with interop-unlock (at this time). Interop-unlock lets you install lots of homebrew apps, and lets you install homebrew apps that call into high-privilege drivers as a way to break out of the sandbox.
To look at it a different way, Interop-unlock is required in order to use an app like WP7 Root Tools. A custom ROM (requires an unlocked bootloader) has everything run as root, so WP7 Root Tools is hardly needed (though still useful just for the browser/editor tools).
For unlocking the bootloader and using custom ROMs, see the DFT threads on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum. In particular: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1485569
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It's possible to downgrade the firmware, yes. Just flash an older (stock) ROM onto your phone.
Mango will reset your dev-unlock status, which probably means losing both interop-unlock and dev-unlock. However, you can interop-unlock after upgrading to Mango (interop-lock didn't even exist pre-Mango).
To avoid getting KK2 by accident, you should stop the update process as soon after getting Mango as you can. Then, use WindowBreak. You cna then install the remaining updates if you want to, I guess, but I'd suggest avoiding KK2 until a really good reason for it shows up.
Interop-unlock is completley different from bootloader unlock, though both are (indirectly) ways to get more access. Unlocking the bootloader is required for installing custom ROMs, which typically come "full-unlocked" and can do things not even possible with interop-unlock (at this time). Interop-unlock lets you install lots of homebrew apps, and lets you install homebrew apps that call into high-privilege drivers as a way to break out of the sandbox.
To look at it a different way, Interop-unlock is required in order to use an app like WP7 Root Tools. A custom ROM (requires an unlocked bootloader) has everything run as root, so WP7 Root Tools is hardly needed (though still useful just for the browser/editor tools).
For unlocking the bootloader and using custom ROMs, see the DFT threads on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum. In particular: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1485569
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thanks mate you have been so helpful to me.
btw how to stop updation process just after mango so that kk2 fw wont be installed on my phone?
will kk2 be shown as separate update or does it come with mango?
I think most the chefs turn the auto update off. I could be wrong, but my phone has not auto updated. I am using Nextgen ROM.
Updates are installed in order. After each one, the Zune software will check for more updates. You can cancel the update process at any time except when the phone is actually being flashed. There's a cancel button on the Zune software, or you can even just pull the USB cable. Since the updating process involve multiple reboots of the phone, and each one takes some time, it should be pretty easy to catch if you're paying attention.
KK2 is usually, though not always, pushed with 8107. It should not be pushed with 7720, which came out many months before KK2. 7720 is the first release Mango build. I recommend stopping after 7720, though 7740 may also be OK.
subraj said:
I decided to go for samsung focus.
but I have a small doubt.
I havr read that windows break project does not work if firmware version is kk2.
so if I get focus with kk2 firmware,is there any way to downgrade to previous firmware and apply windows break?
if I get focus without mango(which might be the case in my country),after applying windows break and updating to mango,will focus be interop-locked again?
is the interop-unlock and bootloader unlock same?
if so how to unlock bootloader and install custom roms?
sorry for barrage of questions as iam a noob.
any help woukd be appreciated?
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Currently both Rogers and ATT have not pushed the KK2 firmware to the Focus, only the Omnia 7 has had the newest firmware pushed to it so you should be fine. If you plan on installing a custom ROM I DO suggest fully updating to 8107 via Zune to get the most upto date radio and then flashing the custom ROM to get the best battery/signal ect. (I suggest starting with the Rogers 7004 firmware since it updates all the way to 8107 via Zune where as the ATT one does not, as long as you have a v1.3 Focus it will flash fine on an ATT phone)
EDIT: also if you want a nice clean starting point to start you modding on your focus perhaps you might want to try my ROM posted in my sig below --v
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hey guys i am really confused i am thnking of buying either nokia lumia 710 or samsung omnia w
so heres why am confused
omina w basically for the hardware advantage like the front cam, glonass support, gyroscope and the super AMOLED display and the main one being omnia w can be hacked (i know about firmware limitation)
and lumia 710 basically coz its nokia i have always had a nokia phone and moreover nokia is partner with microsoft so it may get exclusive updates and other software support like nokia drive etc....
so i want to know that will omnia too will get such software support officially or maybe unofficailly like the nokia drive xap is available for other devices.....if in future nokia release some vital exclusive content will/can it be ported to other devices??????
plz rep soon am goin to buy either 1 this week....
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hey guys i am really confused i am thnking of buying either nokia lumia 710 or samsung omnia w
so heres why am confused
omina w basically for the hardware advantage like the front cam, glonass support, gyroscope and the super AMOLED display and the main one being omnia w can be hacked (i know about firmware limitation)
and lumia 710 basically coz its nokia i have always had a nokia phone and moreover nokia is partner with microsoft so it may get exclusive updates and other software support like nokia drive etc....
so i want to know that will omnia too will get such software support officially or maybe unofficailly like the nokia drive xap is available for other devices.....if in future nokia release some vital exclusive content will/can it be ported to other devices??????
plz rep soon am goin to buy either 1 this week....
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I don't think that Nokia is getting exclusive features from microsoft. And there might be ways to port the nokia software but you never know. So if you're using your phone for navigation I would suggest you buying the nokia as this would give you a legal and good offline navi. Otherwise I'd go for the samsung for freedom reasons.
If you all remember from the Windows Phone Summit, it was mentioned that all devices launced will have (receive updates) for a period of 18 months.
What does this mean brothers? Does it mean every WP device released will be neglected and won't be able to upgrade to another major OS update just like today's 1st and 2nd gen devices after 18 months.
What if we get quad core, NFC and all these hardcore hardware goodies? Will a phone with all the wonderful specs still be neglected? I really don't see how if the Kernels and cores are not changed.
Typical example: Will the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy III loose support for Android ONE DAY??? Even if the Android kernel and the cores still remain the same???
I'm really lost and need your opinions...any explanations?
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If you all remember from the Windows Phone Summit, it was mentioned that all devices launced will have (receive updates) for a period of 18 months.
What does this mean brothers? Does it mean every WP device released will be neglected and won't be able to upgrade to another major OS update just like today's 1st and 2nd gen devices after 18 months.
What if we get quad core, NFC and all these hardcore hardware goodies? Will a phone with all the wonderful specs still be neglected? I really don't see how if the Kernels and cores are not changed.
Typical example: Will the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy III loose support for Android ONE DAY??? Even if the Android kernel and the cores still remain the same???
I'm really lost and need your opinions...any explanations?
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I hope it does lose support after 18 months as that leaves the room for new innovation every 18 months which is fantastic if you as an end user want value for money! 18 months in gadget years is a long time. I would rather prefer new screen res, new processors, new add-ons to the hardware that can be exploited using an updated OS. However, yes if the OS can do all these by not changing kernel etc, we might potentially still be able to update to newer OS, but would you not want those hardware features that evolve in 18 months? I would!
18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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For example, they could exploit the possibility of x86 instead of ARM?
or hexa-cores?
or kinect sensors?
Now imagine if we could run the new kernel and MSFT would give WP8 to us right now, but we had same hardware, we wouldn't be seeing those NFC goodies on our current phones or those games that exploit multicores!
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18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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That would be idiotic. 3 years?
And considering that Android manufacturers abandon you before you've even bought it, 18 months is perfectly fine.
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18 months is fine its the length of your contracts eligibility so essentially your phone will be supported until the next wave comes out.
18 months is perfect, means you can enjoy your latest update for a half year before your contract expires and you can renew it icm with a new phone.
Come to think of this, then someone like me need not buy a flagship phone. When WP8 comes out, they'll be low end, mid range and high end phones, since I don't play a lot of games on my phone and just use my social, forum and productivity apps, I really don't need to buy a WP GS3 or One X like WP which will no be supported in 18 months time. Both high end and low end WP 8 devices will not be supported in 18 months time then I better buy a cheap WP8 device when it comes out. Or am I wrong?
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And also are they giving us 18 months support based on the expirations of contracts? If so then they are not being fair to some of us who buy phones off contract. You really need to use your phone like forever if you buy one coz they are damn expensive.
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Kenzibit said:
And also are they giving us 18 months support based on the expirations of contracts? If so then they are not being fair to some of us who buy phones off contract. You really need to use your phone like forever if you buy one coz they are damn expensive.
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Why is this such a complicated concept?
It's 18 months from when the phone is released.
If you buy a year old phone, then that would be your problem.
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Personally, I think it should be at least 24 months, in the US we all end up with 2 year contracts. Now if you buy the phone 3-4 months after it's release, who's fault is that ? Yours not Microsoft.
Now here's another good question that should effect US users. Does this 18 months start when the phone is released by the Carriers or the OEM ? Phones released in the US tend to get an overseas release before the US, sometimes as much as 6 months (GSM or CDMA).
How about the case of the Verizon Trophy or the Sprint Arrive, for example. The GSM Trophy was released about 8-9 months BEFORE the CDMA releases of the Arrive or the (few weeks later) Trophy. Yea, people say they are different phones but, MS could say, no a Trophy is a Trophy. Are you saying when I buy a CDMA phone (better coverage in the US now) my upgrades from Microsoft could only be 6-7 months on a just released phone, that I just signed a new 2 year contract on (sorry Lumia 900 owners) ?????????????????
All I know, when the WP8 devices start shipping, I will watch for the most popular one on here, and buy that one, because the XDA hackers will give me WP9, even if Microsoft does not
All its saying is Microsoft has to support them for AT LEAST 18 months. It doesn't mean they're necessarily going to abandon every 18 month old phone. All the contract says is that they are obliged to support us for 18 months. Who knows? We might even get windows phone 9 on or wp8 devices if they are compatible!
Knowing how Microsoft updates Windows and the XBOX, I would bet that you would get EVERY update including the major release, Unless your over 18 months after release (after 18months you will get all minor releases but, no more major updates).
As in the xbox, if your system requres a update, you can not access xbox live till you update. I'm sure MS would want everything standardized and on the same level if possable.
The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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Nothing happens after 18 months.
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The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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Nothing really...
They stop supporting your device(as for updates). I know that just because WP9 hits, your apps are not going to stop working or anything like that. It just means just like now, your going to get a minor update for Wp 7.5, and they will move on to WP8, all current apps will work fine and most of WP8 apps would work too (some games and big production apps could be an acception.)
As someone posted on another thread, a programmer today creating an app for WP8 would want to make it backwards compatable to 7.5/8 to reach the most people possable and reach higher sales amounts. If you just make a WP8 only app, you limit the people who can access your app. Just makes business cense...
Some apps will need the WP8 features and those you will not be able to run (high impact games will be the acception for the most part).
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As someone posted on another thread, a programmer today creating an app for WP8 would want to make it backwards compatable to 7.5/8 to reach the most people possable and reach higher sales amounts. If you just make a WP8 only app, you limit the people who can access your app. Just makes business cense...
Some apps will need the WP8 features and those you will not be able to run (high impact games will be the acception for the most part).
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But if it is a port from Android, iOS or even a Windows 8 Metro App, it is way easier to port to WP8 than to WP7, and if WP8 sales are good, it might not be profitable to support the small marketshare that WP7 holds.
However, as of today your statement is of course true because there is not even a WP8 SDK.
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But if it is a port from Android, iOS or even a Windows 8 Metro App, it is way easier to port to WP8 than to WP7, and if WP8 sales are good, it might not be profitable to support the small marketshare that WP7 holds.
However, as of today your statement is of course true because there is not even a WP8 SDK.
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Any new OS version WON'T have a bigger marketshare than that times ongoing OS.
e.g.
WP7.5 will have more than WP7.8 at its launch
WP7.8 will have more than WP8 at its launch
WP8 will have more than WP9 at its launch
etc.
So... even if WP8 sales are good since day 1, it will take at least 6-8 months to overtake that time's WP7.x userbase.
In the least effect, a W8 developer who ONLY ports to WP8 is losing potential 12 million customers - simple maths.
For those who are not aware, Nokia 8 has it and it's a great read:
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-...ess-updates-affect-custom-development-on-xda/
really an important read for a device that has a locked bootloader with no way to unlock it and zero community development...
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really an important read for a device that has a locked bootloader with no way to unlock it and zero community development...
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I dont agree with you about no way to unlock. The way is not free but it exists. Zero community development is because of small number of unlocked devices. This number is grows up not so fast as it wished but it is a question of time.
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I dont agree with you about no way to unlock. The way is not free but it exists. Zero community development is because of small number of unlocked devices. This number is grows up not so fast as it wished but it is a question of time.
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So there is a way without giving your imei and money to a shady dude on the internets, even though you already payed for the device and own it? No? Then there is no way. Period.
its just 5 dollars!!!
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So there is a way without giving your imei and money to a shady dude on the internets, even though you already payed for the device and own it? No? Then there is no way. Period.
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Oh the eternal discussion on locked bootloader...
I do really own my device, physical and software wise, luckily for me I had it unlocked for free but had I not had the chance to be one of the 200 people that got it from the test the "shady dude" here in XDA, I would definitely pay the $5 to grab it!
There's not much development for this device, in my own humble opinion, because this is a fairly new brand(HMD), resurfacing from an era before the smartphones of today(Nokia/Symbian), NOT just because of the factory locked bootloader!
Btw, you can get similar devices for a lot less money with unlocked everything!
There's a way to do it, it's up to you only to decide what's worth your coins!
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Oh the eternal discussion on locked bootloader...
I do really own my device, physical and software wise, luckily for me I had it unlocked for free but had I not had the chance to be one of the 200 people that got it from the test the "shady dude" here in XDA, I would definitely pay the $5 to grab it!
There's not much development for this device, in my own humble opinion, because this is a fairly new brand(HMD), resurfacing from an era before the smartphones of today(Nokia/Symbian), NOT just because of the factory locked bootloader!
Btw, you can get similar devices for a lot less money with unlocked everything!
There's a way to do it, it's up to you only to decide what's worth your coins!
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wait now, what are you saying there about symbian? you gonna start ****ting on maemo next? symbian belle still works way better than any android device, nokia 808 is still the best cameraphone and maemo is way more capable than anything available on the market today.
and honestly what similar devices, havent seen other snapdragon 835 devices for 300EUR, so id honestly like to know which devices are you talking about as im seriously considering switching
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wait now, what are you saying there about symbian? you gonna start ****ting on maemo next? symbian belle still works way better than any android device, nokia 808 is still the best cameraphone and maemo is way more capable than anything available on the market today.
and honestly what similar devices, havent seen other snapdragon 835 devices for 300EUR, so id honestly like to know which devices are you talking about as im seriously considering switching
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@grimyhr I think you didn't get my point at all..
Fyi I had all these Nokia phones:
Older Technology:
2160 (TDMA, first Nokia I got)
6120 (TDMA) and 6180 (CDMA)
6225i (CDMA)
GSM Dumbphones:
1100 (First phone with a flashlight!)
Asha 202
GSM Symbian:
3210 (first GSM handset)
6600 (first Symbian I had back in the day)
6800 (hated that split keyboard)
5200 xpress music
Practical GSM Smartphones:
E62 and E61i (both still in use as SIP phones for their wifi and great battery stand-by time)
N97 (Still in use today as an in-car Bluetooth player(32gb internal+ 32gb on SDcard :silly: ) and NDrive when Waze on Android goes haywire w/o data connection)
N810 Internet Tablet (still in use as the media/streaming player paired to a Bluetooth speaker for BBQ and it is the only Maemo device I ever used)
All of that trouble I had compiling that list may show how I appreciate Nokia's phones and that was a dive into the past!
Nowadays people don't know how cumbersome was to handle and install apps and ringtones (lol) on their phones, but since then it all got easier (big thanks to XDA Developers!)
I meant to say that HMD/Nokia is a new brand on Android Phones. We all know how awesome Symbian was but the Nokia/Windows Mobile phones tossed all that into the trash in my opinion (Sorry WinMo supporters). We know Nokia/WinMo had great camera/media capabilities and awesome Nokia build strength but they were definitely not good app-wise.
As @kosmatyj noted, there is a small base of owners with the new HMD/Nokia brand devices and even less with their devices unlocked. That may change when the manufacturer releases their official way to unlock our phones or when someone releases a tool or tutorial in DIY fashion (check this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57752632&postcount=1). While neither of those things immediately solve our problem, the last resort is just a $5 bill.
Regarding your question over similar devices, I meant similar in processing power, not the exact type of CPU. I have the UMIDIGI Z Pro that has a ****ty stock rom, but with root and xposed I have it exactly for what I need at 1/3 of the price I've paid on my Nokia 8 TA-1004 in my country.
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Oh the eternal discussion on locked bootloader...
There's a way to do it, it's up to you only to decide what's worth your coins!
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Paying or not paying, you will never know if its reliable. When it is a method and open here on xda there would be respect and also enough users for donations.
But it isn't.
Probably the manufacturer has something to hide or there is a leak of info howto unlock. That is also unreliable.
No Nokia for me....
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Paying or not paying, you will never know if its reliable. When it is a method and open here on xda there would be respect and also enough users for donations.
But it isn't.
Probably the manufacturer has something to hide or there is a leak of info howto unlock. That is also unreliable.
No Nokia for me....
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Probably they are hiding something, like tracking what the user does on his device. Twice after the activation of the phone I got a popup asking questions, no detectable (at the time) app related.
Definitely there is leaked info on ways to unlock! People are making money of it
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Definitely there is leaked info on ways to unlock! People are making money of it
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Yes, and those people are gathering imei numbers !
Unlocking is now free and official.