Another interesting tidbit from the web:
What's the Holdup with Froyo Update? We'll explain...
AT&T is trying to fill the internal SD card with as much bloat as possible, it takes time to make sure the phone will run as crappy as possible.
AT&T and Samsung are both focusing most of their time and energy on their upcoming phones revealed at CES. Samsung is notorious for their slow updates, sometimes they don't even update their phones at all. And AT&T is slow at releasing updates because of having to put all of their bloatware in there
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The same thing that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.
Its not Samsung!!!.. 2.2 is out in the rest of the world!! its AT&T and T-mobile.. that slow things down. Canada's Captivate got the 2.2 update... and the phone just came out their a month ago and the phone is the same as the USA Captivate.... and the other Samsung S phones got the update some over 2 months ago...
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The same **** that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
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You mean motoblur and a locked bootloader?
New Captivate noob....
Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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You can either:
-Pay more per month (I think it's $10)
-Install a custom ROM and do it for free
But yes, you can use it as a hotspot for a laptop.
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Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.
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I read this earlier today on phandroid. It certainly sounds plausible, and it wouldn't surprise me at all. I sent a tweet to GalaxySSupport about it - can't wait to see what they say about it.
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Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow.
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Let me know if this actually happens. I tried, twice, to order a Captivate from AmazonWireless using their 2-day shipping option. When they failed the first time they promised to send it overnight. That one showed up 6 days later and was refused since I had already gone and bought one on sale at Radio Shack. They suck.
Funny reading that article - they make it sound as though the delay is being blamed on the z4root app. seriously? no matter what they do to the next vers. of android. we will root it
Bottom line is these updates are an extremely low priority for Samsung. Dev's here at XDA put together roms in a matter of days and they do it by hacking apart official (or leaked) software from other phones. Imagine if they had access to the driver and kernel source code like Samsung does? Imagine if they were the people who built the hardware and knew all the ins and outs of it? I realize that Samsung has to test their updates a LOT more than dev's here (where we are often the testers), but its been 6 months since the phone's release and over a year since Froyo's release. Not to mention that Samsung has an IT team whereas dev's here are usually 1 person working in their spare time.
Also I wanted to mention that I don't think that AT&T adds the bloatware themselves; I believe Samsung does it according to AT&T's wishes. The few leaked froyo updates we got for the captivate were AT&Tified with bloat and all. Since those were leaks and not nearly done, there is no way they went to AT&T to add in the bloat. Now, that doesn't mean AT&T can't delay the process. I'd imagine they get a chance to test any firmware Samsung gives them and they can reject it back Samsung, wasting more time.
One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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Its probably been said but it's not $am$ung anymore, its AT$T. They have 2.2 but they are "testing" (filling it with bloatware).
Sent from my Galaxy S Captivate...still no Froyo...
To be honest, now that Roger's release Froyo for their Captivate, there is no point to continue to wait for the AT&T release. The Roger's version even has WiFi hotspot, tethering, and the option to install non-market apps out of the box. This is what I am running with a few tweaks here and there. No complaints.
I have come to the conclusion that I will not buy another branded handset from AT&T ever again. I also will probably not by a Samsung product again for a while as well.
The only reason I want a Stock Froyo release for the captivate is to get Samsung to release the GPL required kernel source. With this, our devs can make ROMS that are faster, and more stable. I am HOPING that the release of Rogers 2.2 firmware means that this source code release is imminent. Otherwise we may have to get involved with pestering Samsung to put the source out.
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But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
Originally Posted by boborone
At&t stopped the 6.5 win mo update for the fuze so people would buy the tilt 2. Why should this be any different?
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Not sure where you saw that. It was not a AT&T or HTC decision. Microsoft only allowed official WM 6.5 updates for phones with the "Windows" button on them. Since the Fuze had a "home" button, it did not qualify for WM 6.5. If AT&T had held it back, then other Raphael, Diamond, and/or Blackstone handsets (Verizon TP, etc) would have gotten WM 6.5. In fact none of the Raphael, Diamond, or Blackstone phones got WM 6.5.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
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Thanks for the quote. I find it interesting that boborone admits that Microsoft has hardware requirements but doesn't realize that one of Microsoft's hardware requirements for WM 6.5 was that a 'Windows" button was required.
Honestly, I don't know if AT&T has ever blocked a software/firmware upgrade from a manufacturer in order to sell new phones, but I doubt they make enough money by blocking an update to a 1 year old phone to make any difference. As most people have 2 year contracts, they are not going to upgrade after only 1 year. The iPhone seems to be the notable exception to this, but by allowing iPhone users to upgrade to a new version at a discounted rate after 1 year, AT&T is losing more money than by keeping them on the their old iPhone for an extra 6-12 months. AT&T allows early upgrades in order to extend contracts before they expire and garner customer loyalty. Whether or not my 1 year old Fuze got WM 6.5 or not, I still waited 18 months before upgrading to get the extra discount and the availability of official (or un-official) WM 6.5 for my phone had no impact on my decision...it was all about the extra $50 discount.
In short, I don't think the availability (or lack there-of) of Froyo for the Captivate has anything to do with AT&T trying to make money by getting users to replace the Captivate with a phone that runs Froyo, especially since as of today, the only AT&T phone running Froyo is still the Aria which is a cheaper phone, and even when the Atrix/Infuze/Inspire are released, no Captivate owners (that purchased a Captivate with their new phone discount) will qualify for a new phone yet. Delaying or refusing an update to the Captivate (when other SGS phones are getting Froyo) is much more likely to cost AT&T in the long term as dissatisfied customers go to other carriers.
By far the most likely cause of the delay is exactly what has been said (you just need to read between the lines a little). Samsung said that the delay was due to "complexity issues" last week, and this week the delay is to ensure a "smooth upgrade." Those two pieces of information combined with all the reported upgrade problems on other SGS phones and Kies Mini frequently having issues recognizing that a phone is plugged in cause "complexity" and would result in an upgrade that is not "smooth" for the customers.
The Kies mini problems have to be addressed, and since the US is the only country that uses Kies mini, it only affects US carriers. For me, Kies mini only recognizes my phone about 10% of the time on a Windows XP machine. On my Windows 7 machine, Kies (full version 1.5.0.80) recognizes when my phone is plugged in 100% of the time (even when I do not select Kies for the connection).
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I just spoke with Verizon customer service and they have no idea when or IF our Touch Pro 2 will get the Windows 6.5 ROM update.
They tell me this just as they released the same phone minus the external keyboard (Imagio) with Windows 6.5 already installed!
Guess we need to keep waiting.........
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UPDATE: I sent HTC an email asking about the update and this is their response:
Thank you for contacting HTC about updating the Verizon Pro2 to Windows Mobile 6.5.
I understand wanting to keep the device up-to-date. Regretfully, HTC does not currently have a software update for your device. The carriers request all software updates for the devices that they offer from HTC. Once the carrier contacts HTC about updating the software or changes to the devices, HTC’s Research & Development Team work with same department from the carrier to create the software. When and update is created it is tested by the carrier and then HTC host the software on our web site for download by customers free of charge or at http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx. The updates are individually adaptered for each device and carrier.
You can also visit www.hctwiki.com for self-help and to participate in a survey.
Thank you,
Kay
HTC Technical Support
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I wish their response was that Verizon was currently testing the new ROM. Instead, it seems that HTC has not even received the request from Verizon to get a new ROM ready....... Now I wonder if I should have gotten the Imagio instead.......
i think we are definately going to see the hspl before we see any stock 6.5 roms. and once we get the hspl then its all custom after that anyway. it woulda been fun to play with 6.5 while waiting for the hspl, but oh well
someone from ppcgeeks posted a reply from HTC Support saying they are just about to startdeveloping the new 6.5 Rom updates...so its gonna be awhile if that is true
I was talking to the Verizon guys yesterday and the one I was talking to said there were rumors of the end of this month, but it depends on something with Microsoft. I'm not so sure he understood what I was talking about though, so take it with a grain of salt hah.
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but it depends on something with Microsoft.
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haha. playing the blame game.
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yea verizon just told me the same thing this morning from vz customer service and tech support both said they see nothing in the system and know nothing about a 6.5 rom upgrade its a shame these carriers just dont want to put any effort into the phones
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yea verizon just told me the same thing this morning from vz customer service and tech support both said they see nothing in the system and know nothing about a 6.5 rom upgrade its a shame these carriers just dont want to put any effort into the phones
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Agreed. I dont know what it is like at every carrier...but this phone (HTC TP2) is getting rav reviews and selling out here in the states.. I don't get the lack of motivation...
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Agreed. I dont know what it is like at every carrier...but this phone (HTC TP2) is getting rav reviews and selling out here in the states.. I don't get the lack of motivation...
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Here's the cynic in me:
A: They've already sold the phone, and they're selling like hotcakes so why change it... then again why put the effort in if they weren't selling? haha
B: Funny thing about them selling out, the local "Premium VZW dealer" (Not actually verizon) doesn't stock HTC phones and only stocks blackberries as they are easier to use... which is funny because they've lost selling at least three premium phones in the last couple weeks amongst my friends.
I am getting tired of winmo bashing.
I actually talked to their tech support a few days ago and he said that it was in the cards, but there wasn't an official date yet. Perhaps they're modifying the ROM for their services *shrugs*
Nah eff that, if verizon does some stupid modifying for there server, i really hope we get a hard-spl soon. I never really cared if we did itd be nice ofcourse. But thats why verizon phones suck so much is there damn way they do there stuff.
I would imagine that they would want to push out 6.5 to the few thousand people who have 6.1 Touch Pro 2's. I'm sure they don't want to have to support both 6.5 and 6.1 on tech support as it would increase costs. Hopefully, the hold up is related to tweaks HTC and Verizon are making to fix the annoying little things. Maybe we'll see the update when the TP2's get back in stock as they probably want all of them to be the same.
I just talked with a couple of verizon business reps and its rumored internally with the company that the 6.5 rom will be released the end of OCT. Microsofts website states OCT/NOV.
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I would imagine that they would want to push out 6.5 to the few thousand people who have 6.1 Touch Pro 2's. I'm sure they don't want to have to support both 6.5 and 6.1 on tech support as it would increase costs. Hopefully, the hold up is related to tweaks HTC and Verizon are making to fix the annoying little things. Maybe we'll see the update when the TP2's get back in stock as they probably want all of them to be the same.
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It seems to me a little weird that they all of a sudden where out of stock a few days before 6.5 and the new Imagio phone. I think like on the Storm they have just taken them out of circulation and when they return the new ones will have 6.5 and we will have a new ROM. This happened twice with the Storm when it got updates to the Blackberry OS. It was out of stock for 3 weeks when the current update was rolled out then all of a sudden it was in stock again and the update was on their site. I'm kinda wandering if when we get 6.5 we are also gonna see the phone having VCast TV like the Imagio. Its probably hardware capable. Of course its been out for three years now and its still only in the same 20 markets with a promise of more to come that entire time.
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I don't think they're going to release 6.5 for the TP2 ever. Why bother? They can't even manage their own website half the time. Obviously they don't have the resources to upgrade stuff for 'free'.
Plus, even if they did, I wouldn't bother, assuming XDA cracks this bastard.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be HTC to release the update anyway??
Got 2 ROM ups for my Titan before, so..........
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I don't think they're going to release 6.5 for the TP2 ever. Why bother? They can't even manage their own website half the time. Obviously they don't have the resources to upgrade stuff for 'free'.
Plus, even if they did, I wouldn't bother, assuming XDA cracks this bastard.
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My previous Verizon phone was an XV6800 (Titan) and they came out not with one, but with TWO ROM upgrades during the time I had it, so I have hope that we will get the upgrade soon. Check this website, they have Vendors ROMS for many phones. Hopefully we will see the TP2 listed soon!
http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx
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My previous Verizon phone was an XV6800 (Titan) and they came out not with one, but with TWO ROM upgrades during the time I had it, so I have hope that we will get the upgrade soon. Check this website, they have Vendors ROMS for many phones. Hopefully we will see the TP2 listed soon!
http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx
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There will be a 6.5 rom update available for our phones. It's just a matter of when. Some say it could be another month or two.
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My previous Verizon phone was an XV6800 (Titan) and they came out not with one, but with TWO ROM upgrades during the time I had it, so I have hope that we will get the upgrade soon. Check this website, they have Vendors ROMS for many phones. Hopefully we will see the TP2 listed soon!
http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx
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Almost forgot to mention this as well, I had a titan myself, a very useful but unfortunately very underpowered phone. Anyway, in case anyone missed this, here's the estimated time for the 6.5 ROM updates for the TP2's
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx
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My previous Verizon phone was an XV6800 (Titan) and they came out not with one, but with TWO ROM upgrades during the time I had it, so I have hope that we will get the upgrade soon. Check this website, they have Vendors ROMS for many phones. Hopefully we will see the TP2 listed soon!
http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx
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You stated exactly what I was going to say to him. With the XV6800 sure it was locked out of several things (e.g. GPS) and what not but all ROM updates were FREE to download from the site. Also as most have seen they have released the 6.5 ROM over in Europe, so it is only a matter of time before Verizon releases the ROM. Oh and for those that don't know it is Verizon who choose the date at which to release the ROM, HTC and Microsoft only provide the software.
Anywho...my TP2 rocks and I can't wait for the ROM to be released, 6.5 is an excellent upgrade from 6.1 as far as finger friendly, and touch screen go.
According to an Samsung insider( of whom shall be annonymous), it seems like Samsung is scheduled to release their Froyo + GPS update to At&t at the end of September.
The question is, will At&T release this update on their OTA on the same month?
Manufacturer may have the solution fixed, but if the carrier doesnt release it to the public, what is the point no?
Here is the direct quote from this insider:
"Froyo plus GPS update will be available at the end of September. Now let's just pray that A&T releases it at the same time."
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We all hope this will be the case.
Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Hard to say, I'd expect to have to re-root though and also to have to use a modified update.zip to root, if not a new method all together.
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After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
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It is likely you will have to root the device again.
Well Samsung said on their @samsungtweets account that the GPS fix was indeed coming at end of September. It didnt say anything about Froyo though.
"We're testing software to optimize GPS on US Galaxy S. Expected updates avail. in Sept. Details & download to follow."
I have little doubt that ATT is interested in taking care of Captivate. Given the spectacular growth in Android phone sales which overtook iPhone sales in Q2, AT&T must be very concerned and they should develop a new Android strategy.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Or you can wait for a custom ROM to be put out based on the release source. Only problem is that it may take a while.
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I have little doubt that ATT is interested in taking care of Captivate. Given the spectacular growth in Android phone sales which overtook iPhone sales in Q2, AT&T must be very concerned and they should develop a new Android strategy.
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If they were smart they would hop on android bandwagon. If all the reports are true and they are losing iphone exclusivity soon, and they are slow to support android they are going to be in a heap of trouble. Crackberries alone cant and wont save them
Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I think around time of release date of captivate there were an commercial was more of an samsung commercial then att.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7SjPL59BU
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I have seen a Captivate commercial numerous times. Its similar to the Vibrant commercial.
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I have seen a Captivate commercial numerous times. Its similar to the Vibrant commercial.
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the thing i remember most is the hairy hand that guy had in the commercial lol
When the update from ATT arrives, can I decide to install it or not? Will it be forced to my phone?
Sure I want froyo, but if it is going to bring other limitations impossed by ATT, I'd pass and continue waiting.
lol when i saw the vibrant commercial i thought it was a captivate commercial untill the end when i started paying attention and noticed the differences
Is this a Captivate only thing? Because I would imagine T-mobile would want it first more than AT&T, since they don't have an iPhone and the Vibrant is basically their topmost phone right now.
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I went and saw inception today, as I pulled my phone out to turn it off, the captivate commercial came on. It was great, got my iPhone using friends attention, and he couldn't wait to play with it.
at&t won't make a big push for ANYTHING while they retain iPhone exclusivity. Losing it will be the best thing that could happen to at&t customers. Finally get some support and love for other, equaly capable, (superior?) devices.
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at&t won't make a big push for ANYTHING while they retain iPhone exclusivity. Losing it will be the best thing that could happen to at&t customers. Finally get some support and love for other, equaly capable, (superior?) devices.
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AT&T knows that the iPhone users are loyal to the phone and not the company. Their new Android strategy might as well be labeled their "exit strategy" from the iPhone to retain customers when they lose exclusivity.
If the rumors are true, Verizon will have it's single largest porting day in January and AT&T better prepare for it. Having devices like the Captivate sure help but they need to be on the phone with HTC daily demanding an EVOish device from them as well.
The Captivate won't get the number of customers the iPhone did but if they launched an ad campaign for a large and diverse Android portfolio headlined by the Captivate, a high end Moto, and HTC with the X10, Aria, and other devices below it they could surprisingly become the company for Android.
The iUsers will still get the iPhone, a small percentage will defect like I did, but they will have a steady stream of devices that vastly surpass the iPhone and will not be as affected as they could be.
For some reason the Streak slipped my mind. Add that to the high-end devices.
well thats samsungs release date but we all know att plus yeah i think i might just switch over to verizon i was doing some comparison and their plans are way cheaper for me
Back in July, UK Galaxy S announced Froyo update will be delivered in Sept. And it looks like they will have it.
And the US market, well, they don't even have an ETA yet.
Talk about fragmentation.
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Back in July, UK Galaxy S announced Froyo update will be delivered in Sept. And it looks like they will have it.
And the US market, well, they don't even have an ETA yet.
Talk about fragmentation.
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Every night, I do.
I think there's gonaa be a froyo update for our captivates soon, i've been reading and somewhere I saw it was not going to be through OTA so I don't really know what's gonna be the update method.
Update this month??
Remember at&t has never, EVER, upgraded a smartphone which it sold. Never!! Do not know whether it is incompetence or a desire to get you to buy a new phone with FROYO and a new contract. They have absolutely zero experience in this area, OTA or not.
Consider the poor Backflip, still stuck in Android 1.3X in spite of all the promises.
They updated the Fuze. A couple of times i think. I ran custom ROMS but I know they updated it at least once.
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AT&T updated the oringial Blackjack from Winmo 6.0 to 6.1
Yep, but we have to give HTC and Samsung credit for those upgrades, and the one to the Tilt I, but AT&T, I don't think so. If Samsung can work around all the crippling of the Captivate, maybe they will offer us something, but the stock Galaxy S is not quite the same beast as the Captivate. OTA and from AT&T, it'll be a first. We shall see!
Take it back. AT&Ts HTC Aria just got a minor update, interesting thing: it was OTA
hmose said:
Update this month??
Remember at&t has never, EVER, upgraded a smartphone which it sold. Never!! Do not know whether it is incompetence or a desire to get you to buy a new phone with FROYO and a new contract. They have absolutely zero experience in this area, OTA or not.
Consider the poor Backflip, still stuck in Android 1.3X in spite of all the promises.
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That's not true. I had a Tilt 2 before making the switch to Android, and they just released an updated ROM for it with Sense instead of TouchFlo 3d. I thought THAT would never happen.
It's coming, but it will be long after the other carriers.
September 23rd
A number of sources are saying the Captivate 2.2 will come on the 23rd (or are they saying Galaxy S 2.2). Either way, it may be a bit before an official US version is available, but once the kernel is out, I would think that we'll see roms become available.
Just hang on a bit longer!
considering it took AT&T almost a year to upgrade the bold 9000 from 4.6 to the 5.0 OS that was available for months from other carriers, i wont be expecting froyo on this phone anytime soon.
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AT&T updated the oringial Blackjack from Winmo 6.0 to 6.1
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It wasn't AT&T, that upgraded the phone to WinMo, it was Samsung, as a matter of fact, I don't think AT&T supported the phone if you upgraded it to 6.1 [I miss my BlackJack, lol]. And you had to download it from their site, and all that other bull.
Either way, I just want Froyo, it's driving me crazy, all this talk about it coming, and what not. Leave it to AT&T, and all US carriers to load the phones with such nonsense, that the phones software has to be beta tested 30x's over before it can even hit the consumer. By the time 2.2 is out for the US Galaxy S devices, every other carrier/droid phone is going to be talking about 3.0.
It's the one thing that I will give to Apple, they close sourced their equipment and their OS, not that I agree with it, but they locked AT&T out of alot of aspects of the OS, and how they bundle software with it [no AT&T bloatware upon purchase], so they beta test for a month or so, depending on how major the release, and then push it out, and patch along the way.
I understand how difficult it is for android, with different HW spread across all the MFGs, but if the MFGs stop with the bloat we'd all be happy with Froyo right now
I hope it comes out this month. I think it's mandatory for Samsung to release an update across all carriers because of the faulty GPS. I'm hoping we'll know something by the 23rd.
I'm sure we'll get the update sooner or later - heck, September is only halfway through. While it does seem unlikely that we'll get this is month, deadlines frequently slip in software development, so it's not entirely surprising.
Chances are, those of os who want to will be running the i9000 Froyo ROM with a fixed kernel before we see the update roll out from AT&T, but I look forward to being delightfully surprised. We've already fixed the rotation issues, so it just remains to be seen if the headphone logic issue that popped up in the i9000 2.2 ROMs persists in the final build.
One word, no.
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hmose said:
Update this month??
Remember at&t has never, EVER, upgraded a smartphone which it sold. Never!! Do not know whether it is incompetence or a desire to get you to buy a new phone with FROYO and a new contract. They have absolutely zero experience in this area, OTA or not.
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Dead wrong. I personally get AT&T updates on following Smartphones:
1. HTC 2125 WM5.0->WM5.1
2. Samsung BlackJack WM5.0->WM6.0
3. Samsung BlackJack 2 WM6.0->WM6.1
4. Samsung Jack WM6.1->WM6.5
GPS update this month? Maybe.
Froyo? Not bloody likely. We'll be extremely lucky to see Froyo in 2010.
I was reading an article on androidheadlines.com and it mentions that samsung only promises ONE OS update for our phones. I seem to recall them stating this earlier too. So, if you can only have one update, would you rather get the Froyo update or just skip that one and get the Gingerbread update?
http://androidheadlines.com/2010/09/samsung-beam-android-smartphone-is-not-getting-froyo.html
"Hey Beam users, it doesn’t seem like Samsung cares much about you. They’ve just announced that you will not be getting the Froyo update.
Of course, this is not the same time Samsung is doing this and every time they seem to have a different excuse. What’s the excuse this time? They simply don’t want to consume too much resources on a phone that hasn’t been one of their most popular models. So they are basically saying that if you’re not buying their most popular model, then you can forget about upgrading.
And it’s not like you’re getting upgrades for a decade if you buy the most popular one. You only get 1 upgrade, even if the phone is capable of getting OS upgrades at least 2 more years."
Thoughts??
derek4484 said:
And it’s not like you’re getting upgrades for a decade if you buy the most popular one. You only get 1 upgrade, even if the phone is capable of getting OS upgrades at least 2 more years."
Thoughts??
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They make this comment without a source?
I'm guessing we are owners of Samsung's most popular phone model??? If that's the case...well it's just sad the way things are being handled. Every time someone goes to Samsung for an answer it's different, which is well documented on these forums. I remember a few months ago remarking about how ridiculous it was that Apple released a product with a fault such as the antennae on the iPhone 4, even more ridiculous that people would buy it. Now here I am with an only sometimes working GPS...and Samsung seems to be ignoring it??
I guess the difference is, I will never again blindly buy a Samsung handset on release day which might be a problem as I'm rather impulsive when it comes to consumer electronics. Apple people will keep on buying no matter how hard they get raped.
Honestly, I'd rather have them give us Gingerbread. CM 6.1 is coming out soon anyway
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They make this comment without a source?
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Yea, they didnt quote a source on that one upgrade bit. But I seem to recall reading the same thing a while back. I think it was on androidandme, I read that site several times every day so it was probably on there.
r34p3rex said:
Honestly, I'd rather have them give us Gingerbread. CM 6.1 is coming out soon anyway
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Definitely. If we are only going to get one major upgrade then let it be the newest. The only thing 2.2 had that I wanted was the wifi hotspot and I now have that with mobileap.apk so I'm satisfied.
Samsung would lose way too much business by only offering one update per platform. Although from what I've seen so far it's not like they care all that much.
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... and to boot, B&N is already stating they are committed to 2.3 on it as well. That's a darn shame the Samsung and the carriers are slipping with these Galaxy S phones so bad
Just got this text message from at&t anyone know what it might be? I plan to decline the update since I am on a custom rom.
AT&T FREE MSG: AT&T is providing a free update for your phone. When asked to install the update, please select OK. Thank You.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't quality testing for an E- reader be somewhat less extensive than it would be for a smartphone?
My guess is the Nook just needs to be able to run the OS and a few apps. The Captivate was past that stage months ago... probably before the phone was even released.
Crusty_Demons said:
Just got this text message from at&t anyone know what it might be? I plan to decline the update since I am on a custom rom.
AT&T FREE MSG: AT&T is providing a free update for your phone. When asked to install the update, please select OK. Thank You.
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That's just the old update. They've been spamming everyone with it for the most part.
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... and to boot, B&N is already stating they are committed to 2.3 on it as well. That's a darn shame the Samsung and the carriers are slipping with these Galaxy S phones so bad
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And my apple refuses to peel as easily as my orange. What's up with that?!
polarbee said:
And my apple refuses to peel as easily as my orange. What's up with that?!
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Yeah, weird, you should have a doctor look at that for you before it turns green and falls off...
Aquarianperry said:
... and to boot, B&N is already stating they are committed to 2.3 on it as well. That's a darn shame the Samsung and the carriers are slipping with these Galaxy S phones so bad
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Great, now get your Nook to make calls and run apps and you're all set!!
My gripe is this, I got my Captivate July 14th from Best buy, this is now December 15th! Froyo was released in I believe May. Why Samsung didn't release all Galaxy S. phones with 2.2 is quite idiotic when I'm sure they had the 2.2 souce before May and could have put it on all models of the Galaxy S phones at launch or by the end of August at THE LATEST!!!
I got my Nook Color November 20th, and B&N has already committed to bringing out 2.2 by the end of January and 2.3 later next year. And this I can believe, before the nook color I had the original nook, they upgraded the firmware on that device at least half a dozen times in a years time. The most We've heard from samsung is delay after delay, when the phones were first show Samsung was stating the 2.2 release would be by August, then by the end of summer, then by mid november.... IT"S NOW MID DECEMBER - six months since the first Galaxy S phones were released and almost 8 months since froyo was released to manufacturers and no one still has a definate date.
Now some people will say "It's the carriers fault for the delay!!!" That's partially true, but you must remember Samsung supposedly released the code to the carriers at the end of September/mid October, whom in turn haven't even acknowledged that they have it nor given anyone a straight answer on a release date. But that's just two months out of six since Galazy S was released so you can't really blame the carriers fully about something that should have had 2.2 to begin with.
And as far as the people saying "The Nook Color is an ereader, Galaxy S is a phone!!! Beyond the GSM chip, the camera and bluetooth and their associated applications the underlying OS is the same - and it's not like B&N just threw stock vanilla Android on their device, they tweaked and overlayed the heck out of it, just like Samsung does with their phones. So why does it take Samsung almost half a year to release an upgrade for their phones while B&N can release an upgrade in two months?
So what were they doing all that time? I guess working on 2.3 to work with Nexus S - which is basically a Galaxy S phone with a different body, curved screen and an NFS chip thrown in. So what happens to all of the Galaxy S phones? IF Samsung is smart they will release 2.3 to all of the Galaxy S phones no later than March, there's no excuse not to especially when they just put out another Galaxy S clone with 2.3.
Aquarianperry said:
...Beyond the GSM chip, the camera and bluetooth and their associated applications...
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I...don't even know where to begin. Doesn't matter anyway as you clearly just want to complain.
Yep, I'm venting, I love my Captivate for the hardware that's in it but right now it's like having a high speed sports car with only first and second gear. And as time goes on and the lack of initiative from Samsung and AT&T to try to keep this phone up to date makes me think I should have just jumped ship and looked at an HTC device. It's just mind boggling that a $250 non-contract device may get more updates than something that I paid $200 for WITH a 1-2 year contract which will total more than $1.5k when it's all said and done.
Of course I could just go and slap on a 2.2 ROM and be content and then wait for the dev's to put 2.3 out for it, but it shouldn't have to be that way, we shouldn't have to rely on dev's to cook them up for us when the average person with a Galaxy S phone has a 1-2 year contract on it.
With that much money going into the device over a 1-2 year span for the purchase of the device and service the phone should be guaranteed at least two major updates not just creak by with one whenever the manufacturers and carriers feel they should put effort into it.As much as I hate Apple that's one place where they got it right - making sure their iPhones are upgradeable for the life of a purchasers contract.
Dude, you shoulda got the Dell.. isn't the Aero still on Cupcake?
I had a Dell Aero V50 Windows mobile PDA once during my windows mobile heydays, took them forever to put out the update to windows mobile 5.0, great update but too late, by then I jumped ship to Windows Mobile Phone Samsung BlackJack, which Samsung at least put out the updates for everyone to grab offline and easily update their phones even though AT&T never put it out officially.
After that going thru three HTC window Mobile phones maybe I got spoiled, HTC was in the same boat Samsung is in now with makeing several variations of a phone (Tilt/Fuze/Tilt2) but didn't play with customers emotions they updated their phones, when one was able to update they were all able to be updated off of their site, and if you wanted you could wait for AT&T to bring out their watered down version but never anything like this.