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According to an Samsung insider( of whom shall be annonymous), it seems like Samsung is scheduled to release their Froyo + GPS update to At&t at the end of September.
The question is, will At&T release this update on their OTA on the same month?
Manufacturer may have the solution fixed, but if the carrier doesnt release it to the public, what is the point no?
Here is the direct quote from this insider:
"Froyo plus GPS update will be available at the end of September. Now let's just pray that A&T releases it at the same time."
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We all hope this will be the case.
Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Hard to say, I'd expect to have to re-root though and also to have to use a modified update.zip to root, if not a new method all together.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
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It is likely you will have to root the device again.
Well Samsung said on their @samsungtweets account that the GPS fix was indeed coming at end of September. It didnt say anything about Froyo though.
"We're testing software to optimize GPS on US Galaxy S. Expected updates avail. in Sept. Details & download to follow."
I have little doubt that ATT is interested in taking care of Captivate. Given the spectacular growth in Android phone sales which overtook iPhone sales in Q2, AT&T must be very concerned and they should develop a new Android strategy.
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Another question I have along those lines:
After FroYo, will my rooted phone still be rooted? If not, will the same rooting process still work?
While I definitely want the new OS, and especially to have GPS that doesn't take 5 minutes to find me, I'd be hesitant at the expense of all the work I put into the phone since I got it.
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Or you can wait for a custom ROM to be put out based on the release source. Only problem is that it may take a while.
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I have little doubt that ATT is interested in taking care of Captivate. Given the spectacular growth in Android phone sales which overtook iPhone sales in Q2, AT&T must be very concerned and they should develop a new Android strategy.
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If they were smart they would hop on android bandwagon. If all the reports are true and they are losing iphone exclusivity soon, and they are slow to support android they are going to be in a heap of trouble. Crackberries alone cant and wont save them
Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I think around time of release date of captivate there were an commercial was more of an samsung commercial then att.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7SjPL59BU
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I have seen a Captivate commercial numerous times. Its similar to the Vibrant commercial.
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I have seen a Captivate commercial numerous times. Its similar to the Vibrant commercial.
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the thing i remember most is the hairy hand that guy had in the commercial lol
When the update from ATT arrives, can I decide to install it or not? Will it be forced to my phone?
Sure I want froyo, but if it is going to bring other limitations impossed by ATT, I'd pass and continue waiting.
lol when i saw the vibrant commercial i thought it was a captivate commercial untill the end when i started paying attention and noticed the differences
Is this a Captivate only thing? Because I would imagine T-mobile would want it first more than AT&T, since they don't have an iPhone and the Vibrant is basically their topmost phone right now.
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Sorry but I have not even seen an ad from AT&T for Captivate (Galaxy S). T-Mobile and Version yes but AT&T no.
And you would think with Verizon getting the iPhone soon they would realize it's about to be a battle again...
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I went and saw inception today, as I pulled my phone out to turn it off, the captivate commercial came on. It was great, got my iPhone using friends attention, and he couldn't wait to play with it.
at&t won't make a big push for ANYTHING while they retain iPhone exclusivity. Losing it will be the best thing that could happen to at&t customers. Finally get some support and love for other, equaly capable, (superior?) devices.
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at&t won't make a big push for ANYTHING while they retain iPhone exclusivity. Losing it will be the best thing that could happen to at&t customers. Finally get some support and love for other, equaly capable, (superior?) devices.
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AT&T knows that the iPhone users are loyal to the phone and not the company. Their new Android strategy might as well be labeled their "exit strategy" from the iPhone to retain customers when they lose exclusivity.
If the rumors are true, Verizon will have it's single largest porting day in January and AT&T better prepare for it. Having devices like the Captivate sure help but they need to be on the phone with HTC daily demanding an EVOish device from them as well.
The Captivate won't get the number of customers the iPhone did but if they launched an ad campaign for a large and diverse Android portfolio headlined by the Captivate, a high end Moto, and HTC with the X10, Aria, and other devices below it they could surprisingly become the company for Android.
The iUsers will still get the iPhone, a small percentage will defect like I did, but they will have a steady stream of devices that vastly surpass the iPhone and will not be as affected as they could be.
For some reason the Streak slipped my mind. Add that to the high-end devices.
well thats samsungs release date but we all know att plus yeah i think i might just switch over to verizon i was doing some comparison and their plans are way cheaper for me
Back in July, UK Galaxy S announced Froyo update will be delivered in Sept. And it looks like they will have it.
And the US market, well, they don't even have an ETA yet.
Talk about fragmentation.
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Back in July, UK Galaxy S announced Froyo update will be delivered in Sept. And it looks like they will have it.
And the US market, well, they don't even have an ETA yet.
Talk about fragmentation.
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Every night, I do.
I think there's gonaa be a froyo update for our captivates soon, i've been reading and somewhere I saw it was not going to be through OTA so I don't really know what's gonna be the update method.
Update this month??
Remember at&t has never, EVER, upgraded a smartphone which it sold. Never!! Do not know whether it is incompetence or a desire to get you to buy a new phone with FROYO and a new contract. They have absolutely zero experience in this area, OTA or not.
Consider the poor Backflip, still stuck in Android 1.3X in spite of all the promises.
They updated the Fuze. A couple of times i think. I ran custom ROMS but I know they updated it at least once.
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AT&T updated the oringial Blackjack from Winmo 6.0 to 6.1
Yep, but we have to give HTC and Samsung credit for those upgrades, and the one to the Tilt I, but AT&T, I don't think so. If Samsung can work around all the crippling of the Captivate, maybe they will offer us something, but the stock Galaxy S is not quite the same beast as the Captivate. OTA and from AT&T, it'll be a first. We shall see!
Take it back. AT&Ts HTC Aria just got a minor update, interesting thing: it was OTA
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Update this month??
Remember at&t has never, EVER, upgraded a smartphone which it sold. Never!! Do not know whether it is incompetence or a desire to get you to buy a new phone with FROYO and a new contract. They have absolutely zero experience in this area, OTA or not.
Consider the poor Backflip, still stuck in Android 1.3X in spite of all the promises.
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That's not true. I had a Tilt 2 before making the switch to Android, and they just released an updated ROM for it with Sense instead of TouchFlo 3d. I thought THAT would never happen.
It's coming, but it will be long after the other carriers.
September 23rd
A number of sources are saying the Captivate 2.2 will come on the 23rd (or are they saying Galaxy S 2.2). Either way, it may be a bit before an official US version is available, but once the kernel is out, I would think that we'll see roms become available.
Just hang on a bit longer!
considering it took AT&T almost a year to upgrade the bold 9000 from 4.6 to the 5.0 OS that was available for months from other carriers, i wont be expecting froyo on this phone anytime soon.
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AT&T updated the oringial Blackjack from Winmo 6.0 to 6.1
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It wasn't AT&T, that upgraded the phone to WinMo, it was Samsung, as a matter of fact, I don't think AT&T supported the phone if you upgraded it to 6.1 [I miss my BlackJack, lol]. And you had to download it from their site, and all that other bull.
Either way, I just want Froyo, it's driving me crazy, all this talk about it coming, and what not. Leave it to AT&T, and all US carriers to load the phones with such nonsense, that the phones software has to be beta tested 30x's over before it can even hit the consumer. By the time 2.2 is out for the US Galaxy S devices, every other carrier/droid phone is going to be talking about 3.0.
It's the one thing that I will give to Apple, they close sourced their equipment and their OS, not that I agree with it, but they locked AT&T out of alot of aspects of the OS, and how they bundle software with it [no AT&T bloatware upon purchase], so they beta test for a month or so, depending on how major the release, and then push it out, and patch along the way.
I understand how difficult it is for android, with different HW spread across all the MFGs, but if the MFGs stop with the bloat we'd all be happy with Froyo right now
I hope it comes out this month. I think it's mandatory for Samsung to release an update across all carriers because of the faulty GPS. I'm hoping we'll know something by the 23rd.
I'm sure we'll get the update sooner or later - heck, September is only halfway through. While it does seem unlikely that we'll get this is month, deadlines frequently slip in software development, so it's not entirely surprising.
Chances are, those of os who want to will be running the i9000 Froyo ROM with a fixed kernel before we see the update roll out from AT&T, but I look forward to being delightfully surprised. We've already fixed the rotation issues, so it just remains to be seen if the headphone logic issue that popped up in the i9000 2.2 ROMs persists in the final build.
One word, no.
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Update this month??
Remember at&t has never, EVER, upgraded a smartphone which it sold. Never!! Do not know whether it is incompetence or a desire to get you to buy a new phone with FROYO and a new contract. They have absolutely zero experience in this area, OTA or not.
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Dead wrong. I personally get AT&T updates on following Smartphones:
1. HTC 2125 WM5.0->WM5.1
2. Samsung BlackJack WM5.0->WM6.0
3. Samsung BlackJack 2 WM6.0->WM6.1
4. Samsung Jack WM6.1->WM6.5
GPS update this month? Maybe.
Froyo? Not bloody likely. We'll be extremely lucky to see Froyo in 2010.
Check out this brief note about the ever elusive Froyo update for our beloved, under performing (OOTB) phone.
http://erictric.com/2011/01/03/sams...froyo-update-for-samsung-galaxy-s-smartphone/
Upside...well, I've speculated before and been wrong...probably am here too, but trying to break my life-long mold of being a total skeptic:
We might just go straight to Gingerbread?????
Even if we get ginger and not froyo this will be the last samsung product i purcase
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I don't really care anymore when the official 2.2 update will come out. I'm happy sticking with custom roms until the Motorola Atrix comes out. Hopefully it will live up to the hype. The Captivate is my first and last Samsung cell phone I'll ever buy.
I too am just waiting for the atrix. I've never bought a phone off contact but will be forced too cause I bought the captivate with my upgrade. Its not that I'm totally unhappy with the captivate, just upset that samsung has don't so little to ensure that their "flagship" phone stays up to date. Its too bad too cause it has such great potential.
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I agree with all of you. I'm fairly pleased with my custom rom too, but feel like it still could be better if devs had source for the cappy.
Also, my first and last Samsung phone. I'm boycotting them altogether. My next phone Sony or Motorola...CES showed off some good stuff. Next flat screen TV Sony prolly, or maybe an LG; def done with Samsung.
Bastards say still testing but steadily releasing new products with Froyo and even GB.
Gonna have to find the money to break my contract with AT&T cause I'm not paying them an upgrade fee.
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We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality.
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So i guess we can expect these delays on future phones too due to complexity/unique functionality? Heheh...
Those phones that samsung will announce next month better have gingerbread from the start, i don't think anyone can rely on samsung to put out an update anymore.
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So i guess we can expect these delays on future phones too due to complexity/unique functionality? Heheh...
Those phones that samsung will announce next month better have gingerbread from the start, i don't think anyone can rely on samsung to put out an update anymore.
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Yeah, that's the killer. The SGS line was supposed to be their Flagship Android line for the US...got tons of people on board only to essentially abandoned us to work on new products to trick people in to buying. They can't get us an update for this line but they can put the OS on new products without any problems. Just look at what the devs on this forum have done with a FW that's not even for our device. If they can do it, then surely the makers of the damn line could. I hope they crash and burn, market share wise. It may take a while but if they continue this BS with other lines and products people are eventually going to say f-off.
My next phone is going to be either Motorola or HTC. In fact, I just replaced my Samsung TV with a LG. I am done with Samsung all together.
Cry some more? Even when they come out with it, it will just be stripped and modded and redistributed on the forums. The custom ones will be better than anything Samsung will put out.
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Cry some more? Even when they come out with it, it will just be stripped and modded and redistributed on the forums. The custom ones will be better than anything Samsung will put out.
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No doubt...I don't care about the ROM they release; just that source code so the talented devs on this forum can unleash it. I will never run another stock ROM on ANY Android device, ever. This forum is the bomb!!!!
Like others above this is my last Samsung phone ever. Sucks I wasted my upgrade for this crap.
I do appreciate the developers on this forum though for the custom roms. Thanks again!
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My next phone is going to be either Motorola or HTC. In fact, I just replaced my Samsung TV with a LG. I am done with Samsung all together.
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This is the exact same conversation that everyone was having in the motorola forums with the backflip cliq and cliq xt. Htc is the only ones that have a reputation good for upgrading their phones, but moto and samsung have the best hardware (imo). Cant beat the screen on this thing and every moto I own has been indestructable. So now I buy the phone with the best hardware and community support. I have come to love flashing my phone with something different all the time, whether it be roms or themes, so I will never again buy a phone on the day of release. I will always wait untill the devs behind xda have a go at the device. Then at that point I could care less about manufacturer upgrades
Just my two cents... Take it or leave it
And ps. Youll never pry my 2 samsung hdtv's out of my cold dead hands. Best picture youll find in the price range
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Lets face it Samsung makes the best hardware, But everything Support Software Updates Sucks harry monkey ****.
I will never get a samsung android phone.
Samsung has been tweeting the same message since the end of December when they knew they would miss the "End of Year" commitment.
But for all those convinced they are evil, go read the forums and blogs for other phones - all manufacturers miss dates, and many times it is due to carrier involvement. The grass always seems greener elsewhere, but the truth is, the same frustrations exist with all vendors.
Then the choice is clear. Generic non carrier phones.
All you guys high on the Moto Atrix, doesnt Moto lock down the phones so you cant root (easily or at all) ? Every manufacturer has their issues. Im hardly a Samsung fan but Id rather have custom ROM's and Galaxy S seems to allow that without much hassle.
I'm not happy with Samsung by any means, but I also remember waiting for a year for the WinMo update for the HTC Tilt 2 and it came from HTC, not AT$T. It's a tricky balance the relationship these companies have. If a new release borks up a significant number of users it could be a customer service nightmare for both companies with each trying to figure out who gets to fix it. That said, it does seem as though Samsung has moved on and is more focused on selling newer phones than taking care of their existing customer base. That's a bad business decision for any company, especially in an industry where product cycles are so short, customer memories are so long and most marketing is by word of mouth and internet forums.
Can I ask why? I have a captivate, flashed froyo on it and i'm loving it. Is it just Samsung that you don't like or theres something wrong with your phone?
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Can I ask why? I have a captivate, flashed froyo on it and i'm loving it. Is it just Samsung that you don't like or theres something wrong with your phone?
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Because they made a promise (online and in writing) to provide the Froyo update. My dislike also comes from having had 2 Samsung HDTVs that, while having great pictures, developed problems that were poorly handled by Samsung service. And while you may be happy with your modded phone, we shouldn't HAVE to flash a non-OEM ROM just to enjoy things like a working GPS or enhancements that other users in other countries are able to enjoy.
Maybe you don't like Samsung, but I love them. Awesome screen, great performance, good battery, and well I don't use GPS so honestly I don't care (I would use Network GPS before real GPS anyway).
I will most likely buy the 4.5" Infuse 4G, unless they make a 4.5" windows phone 7 (which I doubt, WP7 has horrible phones).
Another interesting tidbit from the web:
What's the Holdup with Froyo Update? We'll explain...
AT&T is trying to fill the internal SD card with as much bloat as possible, it takes time to make sure the phone will run as crappy as possible.
AT&T and Samsung are both focusing most of their time and energy on their upcoming phones revealed at CES. Samsung is notorious for their slow updates, sometimes they don't even update their phones at all. And AT&T is slow at releasing updates because of having to put all of their bloatware in there
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The same thing that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.
Its not Samsung!!!.. 2.2 is out in the rest of the world!! its AT&T and T-mobile.. that slow things down. Canada's Captivate got the 2.2 update... and the phone just came out their a month ago and the phone is the same as the USA Captivate.... and the other Samsung S phones got the update some over 2 months ago...
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The same **** that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
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You mean motoblur and a locked bootloader?
New Captivate noob....
Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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You can either:
-Pay more per month (I think it's $10)
-Install a custom ROM and do it for free
But yes, you can use it as a hotspot for a laptop.
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Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.
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I read this earlier today on phandroid. It certainly sounds plausible, and it wouldn't surprise me at all. I sent a tweet to GalaxySSupport about it - can't wait to see what they say about it.
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Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow.
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Let me know if this actually happens. I tried, twice, to order a Captivate from AmazonWireless using their 2-day shipping option. When they failed the first time they promised to send it overnight. That one showed up 6 days later and was refused since I had already gone and bought one on sale at Radio Shack. They suck.
Funny reading that article - they make it sound as though the delay is being blamed on the z4root app. seriously? no matter what they do to the next vers. of android. we will root it
Bottom line is these updates are an extremely low priority for Samsung. Dev's here at XDA put together roms in a matter of days and they do it by hacking apart official (or leaked) software from other phones. Imagine if they had access to the driver and kernel source code like Samsung does? Imagine if they were the people who built the hardware and knew all the ins and outs of it? I realize that Samsung has to test their updates a LOT more than dev's here (where we are often the testers), but its been 6 months since the phone's release and over a year since Froyo's release. Not to mention that Samsung has an IT team whereas dev's here are usually 1 person working in their spare time.
Also I wanted to mention that I don't think that AT&T adds the bloatware themselves; I believe Samsung does it according to AT&T's wishes. The few leaked froyo updates we got for the captivate were AT&Tified with bloat and all. Since those were leaks and not nearly done, there is no way they went to AT&T to add in the bloat. Now, that doesn't mean AT&T can't delay the process. I'd imagine they get a chance to test any firmware Samsung gives them and they can reject it back Samsung, wasting more time.
One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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Its probably been said but it's not $am$ung anymore, its AT$T. They have 2.2 but they are "testing" (filling it with bloatware).
Sent from my Galaxy S Captivate...still no Froyo...
To be honest, now that Roger's release Froyo for their Captivate, there is no point to continue to wait for the AT&T release. The Roger's version even has WiFi hotspot, tethering, and the option to install non-market apps out of the box. This is what I am running with a few tweaks here and there. No complaints.
I have come to the conclusion that I will not buy another branded handset from AT&T ever again. I also will probably not by a Samsung product again for a while as well.
The only reason I want a Stock Froyo release for the captivate is to get Samsung to release the GPL required kernel source. With this, our devs can make ROMS that are faster, and more stable. I am HOPING that the release of Rogers 2.2 firmware means that this source code release is imminent. Otherwise we may have to get involved with pestering Samsung to put the source out.
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But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
Originally Posted by boborone
At&t stopped the 6.5 win mo update for the fuze so people would buy the tilt 2. Why should this be any different?
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Not sure where you saw that. It was not a AT&T or HTC decision. Microsoft only allowed official WM 6.5 updates for phones with the "Windows" button on them. Since the Fuze had a "home" button, it did not qualify for WM 6.5. If AT&T had held it back, then other Raphael, Diamond, and/or Blackstone handsets (Verizon TP, etc) would have gotten WM 6.5. In fact none of the Raphael, Diamond, or Blackstone phones got WM 6.5.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
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Thanks for the quote. I find it interesting that boborone admits that Microsoft has hardware requirements but doesn't realize that one of Microsoft's hardware requirements for WM 6.5 was that a 'Windows" button was required.
Honestly, I don't know if AT&T has ever blocked a software/firmware upgrade from a manufacturer in order to sell new phones, but I doubt they make enough money by blocking an update to a 1 year old phone to make any difference. As most people have 2 year contracts, they are not going to upgrade after only 1 year. The iPhone seems to be the notable exception to this, but by allowing iPhone users to upgrade to a new version at a discounted rate after 1 year, AT&T is losing more money than by keeping them on the their old iPhone for an extra 6-12 months. AT&T allows early upgrades in order to extend contracts before they expire and garner customer loyalty. Whether or not my 1 year old Fuze got WM 6.5 or not, I still waited 18 months before upgrading to get the extra discount and the availability of official (or un-official) WM 6.5 for my phone had no impact on my decision...it was all about the extra $50 discount.
In short, I don't think the availability (or lack there-of) of Froyo for the Captivate has anything to do with AT&T trying to make money by getting users to replace the Captivate with a phone that runs Froyo, especially since as of today, the only AT&T phone running Froyo is still the Aria which is a cheaper phone, and even when the Atrix/Infuze/Inspire are released, no Captivate owners (that purchased a Captivate with their new phone discount) will qualify for a new phone yet. Delaying or refusing an update to the Captivate (when other SGS phones are getting Froyo) is much more likely to cost AT&T in the long term as dissatisfied customers go to other carriers.
By far the most likely cause of the delay is exactly what has been said (you just need to read between the lines a little). Samsung said that the delay was due to "complexity issues" last week, and this week the delay is to ensure a "smooth upgrade." Those two pieces of information combined with all the reported upgrade problems on other SGS phones and Kies Mini frequently having issues recognizing that a phone is plugged in cause "complexity" and would result in an upgrade that is not "smooth" for the customers.
The Kies mini problems have to be addressed, and since the US is the only country that uses Kies mini, it only affects US carriers. For me, Kies mini only recognizes my phone about 10% of the time on a Windows XP machine. On my Windows 7 machine, Kies (full version 1.5.0.80) recognizes when my phone is plugged in 100% of the time (even when I do not select Kies for the connection).
I am getting really fed up with the constant line of BS from both Samsung and AT&T about the release date of Gingerbread on the Captivate. So, yesterday, I spent a couple of hours bugging everyone that I could about it. Twitter feeds were pretty much useless, but I got into a chat with the AT&T service center.
I pointedly asked when Gingerbread would be out on the Captivate. The rep first tried to tell me that she thought it was already out, and started looking for when it was released. I pointed out that it was not yet out, that kies mini had not been released for it, and that both Samsung and AT&T's websites still showed the phone with 2.2.
She stopped typing for a couple of minutes. I asked if there was anyone else that I could contact that would know. That I was extremely disappointed in the experience that I've had with AT&T and the Captivate so far, and that I was definitely not buying another AT&T Samsung phone.
More time passed, as she asked me to hang on while she made some calls. When she returned, she told me that the release schedule was set by Samsung, and that AT&T had already approved GB for the Captivate. Note that this is the opposite story as what I've gotten from Samsung.
She went on to say that the Samsung person who she had just talked to on the phone had told her that it would be "next year" before Captivates are updated to 2.3.
So, take it with a grain of salt, but I would not be surprised. That date is after most of the early adopters are upgrade eligible, and I would bet that they are waiting for us to upgrade to new handsets rather than push out the 2.3 update.
TL;DR: AT&T blames Samsung for delay (Samsung blames AT&T). AT&T service rep says that Samsung is not releasing update until next year.
Seeing as how Rogers updated the virtually identical i896 to GB already, I'm going out on a limb and saying AT$T is to blame...just as they were on delayed Froyo release.
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Madtowndave said:
Seeing as how Rogers updated the virtually identical i896 to GB already, I'm going out on a limb and saying AT$T is to blame...just as they were on delayed Froyo release.
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T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G (different than the Vibrant) got it already, too. And the Fascinate (Verizon variant) is set to get it any day now. It could come out for the Captivate at any time...or never at all.
But the fact is that the phone is no longer being marketed and no new ones are being shipped for sale. You can get refurbs and a handful of places might have some stragglers in stock. But neither AT&T nor Samsung will make any money off the Captivate moving forward, so they have no incentive to keep them updated other than making existing owners happy trying to retain them. How many people want an upgrade to 2.3? 10? 1000? 5000? Drop in the bucket for them. For every person who leaves AT&T because of the Captivate, they'll probably gain a Verizon customer who hated the Fascinate.
People don't like to switch carriers, so AT&T has little to lose by not updating to 2.3.
Samsung is making a killing off the SGS2 line and will also do so with the Galaxy Nexus. Plus, a lot of captivate owners who can even tell the difference between 2.2 and 2.3 have probably already moved on to other phones. Sadly, the number of people who want 2.3 for the Captivate is decreasing every day while the number of people using newer Samsung phones is increasing by huge numbers every day.
I've only owned the phone for a year, but I'm already set on getting the Galaxy Nexus. At this point, I just don't really care whether 2.3 ever comes out for the Captivate. I think a lot of people have similar opinions.
I think the majority of current Captivate owners don't even know that they're a version behind and will just go pick out a new phone when their contracts are up. I would imagine that AT&T and Samsung view such an update more as an expense with little return rather than an investment in retaining customers.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Hope for it, but don't hold your breath.
Guys.. not trying to be mean but, this is a modders forum.. if you haven't already rooted and rommed your phones.. I would encourage it.
At&t can release the official GB update today for all I care.. I am sticking with CM7(gingerbread) and then cm9(Ice cream sandwich).
I got this phone knowing it would take forever to see 2.2 officially.. 2.3 would probably never come out either...
But, it has amazing dev support which is comparable to any phone out there just about.
Wondering when GB will come out, now that ICS is about to be available in rom form just seems futile.
Sure there are a few quirks every so often with roms.. but, most of the time they are as stable as the stock..
If it's not coming why is Sammy wasting it's time, money and energy making an AT&T bloated GB update?
I already have my sights set on the GSII. Been running GB for many months now, anyway.
We all know it is and has been att for a LONG TIME that don't get out the updates in a timely manner. Samsung has actually stepped up its game on getting updates ready. We can see this with how samsung 2.3 leaks with att bloatware already in it MONTHS AGO. So it is definetelh att. Samsung.g has been really quick with putting out source code for newer phones also as an example, all the SGS2'S INCLUDING the att SGS2 had the source code either days before or within a few days of the phone being released. Another example for samsung is the source code (not her the kernel) for the new galaxy nexus has been out for over a week and the phone just got released what yesterday or something.
Unfortunately alot of the great devs have moved onto the ATT SGS2 and other sgs2's but there are still some great devs around here for the cappy. If you follow the i9000 (which still has great support) you can see they are already making ICS working with pretty quick strides. Once they get it working hopefully a dev from this section can reoriented a kernel for the cappy.
So LONG STORY SHORT, DONT WAIT FOR ATT as any of us that got the captivate on/near release date knows. Just get into using modded OS roms and forget about waiting for att. That is why MOST of are actually on a Modding site in the first place, right?
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I could care less about the "official" GB release from AT&T, it's the source code that's important to everyone in the Android community.
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After getting the Captivate in February of this year, I was curious when we would get Foyo. I flashed Cognition 4 within a week of owning the phone. I'm now on GB and do not expect ATT to ever update it or release the official source code.
I'm just going to wait for the Galaxy Nexus when my upgrade in July is available...unless something better comes out by then.
And this is why I am utterly perplexed by people's flagrant affinity towards Samsung. Even if it's AT&T's fault, why would you want to put up with this again?
At least the GS2 is also a development-friendly phone, but still. I'm never buying another Samsung again. I'll put KK2 or whatever on this phone, and look for a new HTC on Black Friday.
Being apathetic to AT&T's lack of support just because you're on a custom GB ROM is terrible. That kind of behavior just encourages AT&T and other carriers to continue to have terrible support practices.
You know that ROM you're on? Aside from Cyanogen, it's based on some other carrier's GB ROM. What if Rogers looked at AT&T's model for support and saw that it cost much less and the customers didn't complain (because so many of you are so apathetic now), and copied it (ie. didn't put out an update)? We then wouldn't have a base for half our ROMs.
Guys this was an old story before android was ever released. Carriers are never great about timely updates if ever and att is the worst. If you want a phone based on the updates then get a nexus. No point in really complaining about it unless you have a great idea how to fix it.
Is it right? Nope. Will it change? Maybe. But how is the question. Spamming them about it doesn't work. Emails do nothing so open to ideas
Why would they keep leaking i897 firmware if they didnt plan to release it?
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Why would they keep leaking i897 firmware if they didnt plan to release it?
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They always have. We have seen dozens of leaks that were never sent officail. They do it to keep us happy. Figure if they give us enough leaks then we will not complain about when the official will be released.
The main ones that don't see this are the ones new to smart phone Modding on XDA. We prefer the beta leaks anyway
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And this is why I am utterly perplexed by people's flagrant affinity towards Samsung. Even if it's AT&T's fault, why would you want to put up with this again?
At least the GS2 is also a development-friendly phone, but still. I'm never buying another Samsung again. I'll put KK2 or whatever on this phone, and look for a new HTC on Black Friday.
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Don't get the Vivid as it has a locked down bootloader and hasn't been perma rooted yet.
This is why I went to an unlocked unbranded phone. If you look at how often official updates have hit the i9000 and i9100 it will make you sick to still be on a locked and branded phone.
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T-Mobile's Galaxy S 4G (different than the Vibrant) got it already, too. And the Fascinate (Verizon variant) is set to get it any day now. It could come out for the Captivate at any time...or never at all.
But the fact is that the phone is no longer being marketed and no new ones are being shipped for sale. You can get refurbs and a handful of places might have some stragglers in stock. But neither AT&T nor Samsung will make any money off the Captivate moving forward, so they have no incentive to keep them updated other than making existing owners happy trying to retain them. How many people want an upgrade to 2.3? 10? 1000? 5000? Drop in the bucket for them. For every person who leaves AT&T because of the Captivate, they'll probably gain a Verizon customer who hated the Fascinate.
People don't like to switch carriers, so AT&T has little to lose by not updating to 2.3.
Samsung is making a killing off the SGS2 line and will also do so with the Galaxy Nexus. Plus, a lot of captivate owners who can even tell the difference between 2.2 and 2.3 have probably already moved on to other phones. Sadly, the number of people who want 2.3 for the Captivate is decreasing every day while the number of people using newer Samsung phones is increasing by huge numbers every day.
I've only owned the phone for a year, but I'm already set on getting the Galaxy Nexus. At this point, I just don't really care whether 2.3 ever comes out for the Captivate. I think a lot of people have similar opinions.
I think the majority of current Captivate owners don't even know that they're a version behind and will just go pick out a new phone when their contracts are up. I would imagine that AT&T and Samsung view such an update more as an expense with little return rather than an investment in retaining customers.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Hope for it, but don't hold your breath.
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You don't know that the fascinate will get it this year. Many Captivate users were promised a release "soon". Verizon is known for slow updates. I doubt that the fascinate will get it this year, I could be wrong.
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Don't get the Vivid as it has a locked down bootloader and hasn't been perma rooted yet.
This is why I went to an unlocked unbranded phone. If you look at how often official updates have hit the i9000 and i9100 it will make you sick to still be on a locked and branded phone.
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If I can temproot and remove all the crapware, I'd be happy enough.
The idea of burning $500+ and still being network-bound to one of America's lousy GSM-based providers is beyond me. If I had that sort of money, I'd just go to the reasonably update-friendly Big Red and take some subsidization to get a better plan.
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Guys this was an old story before android was ever released. Carriers are never great about timely updates if ever and att is the worst. If you want a phone based on the updates then get a nexus. No point in really complaining about it unless you have a great idea how to fix it.
Is it right? Nope. Will it change? Maybe. But how is the question. Spamming them about it doesn't work. Emails do nothing so open to ideas
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I would say that Verizon is by far the worst with Sprint being the best out of the 4 major carriers.
The Fascinate was LAST to receive froyo out of all galaxy s phones.
Sprint needs to work on their network.
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I would say that Verizon is by far the worst with Sprint being the best out of the 4 major carriers.
The Fascinate was LAST to receive froyo out of all galaxy s phones.
Sprint needs to work on their network.
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Sprint is nearly even breathing. I don't think the company will last another 10 years. Not only do they run on an outdated CDMA network but the signal strength due to lack of network towers makes them 4thbout of the top four.
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Sprint is nearly even breathing. I don't think the company will last another 10 years. Not only do they run on an outdated CDMA network but the signal strength due to lack of network towers makes them 4thbout of the top four.
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I agree with you, but they offer the best support and fastest product updates out of the big 4 carriers.
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This has been driving me crazy. See I bricked a phone in May and I'm anxious for the update so AT&T and Samsung can update my bootloaders for me, and then its on them. I just want them to release the damn update so I can go to a gingerbread rom. I'm willing to bet if I just bit the bullet and went to gingerbread I wouldn't brick my phone with bootloaders, but after you brick a phone it does make you scared to ever mess with boatloaders again. I'm running Cognition 4.5 right now, and the phones running great, but I still would like to go to the newest version of Android.
I will say everyone can complain about Samsung/AT&T all they want but unless your sporting an official Google Phone (nexus one/Nexus S/galaxy Nexus) you're waiting forever on updates, and getting cut off way too soon. I do think if your in the market for an android phone its best to buy one that has the best hardware and has the current version of Android already installed, because regardless of what carrier/manufacturer you go through you're going to wait on updates. For example, the HTC Droid Incredible came out before our phone and just got its GB update the other day.