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Don't think these other companies were ready...

Samsung... LG. They wanted to enter the superphone battle but really had no idea of what they were getting themselves into. The time is over where you can just release a phone and not update it expecting it to just continue to sell.
HTC has been dealing with Android for awhile and definitely understands this concept. Many of their phones are receiving Gingerbread while many others have had announcements about updates. HTC stated a phone wasn't going to be updated then a day later had a change of heart. Days later an announcement was made with details of the update.
Communication and promptness is what is going to make or break these companies. Samsung had a big success with the Galaxy S but no one can deny they failed with updating the device once issues arose.
LG definitely wasn't ready to have the "world's first dual-core" smartphone when they didn't even have a competent engineering team to put out good software. And now that same software team is taking forever to get it right.
Were we too naive trusting LG with a phone of this stature?
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samsung was ready. I mean look at the sgs2 now. Even with not updating like you said they had mad success. Even those who said never again still want the samsung. It also is the least buggiest device on paper out there looking at the forums.
LG yes. they came in like DEEERRRP, but Samsung knew what they were doing. ****, sgs 4g lmaoooo. They may not be cool how they do it, but they know what there doing and make a good product or people wouldnt be wanting a sgs2 so bad.
Only issue they had was gps, and yes poor updates but thats just them saving money and time and sending it out on a whole new device thats the same as the last with the update. lol

LG did it right with the hardware but screwed up the software. It happens. Google has yet to work with LG, which I think is next in line.
Samsung, HTC, Motorola have all had turns with google and learning the ins and outs.
I think the next Nexus phone will be LG... that will bring them up to speed like the rest.

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samsung was ready. I mean look at the sgs2 now.
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I've never had a Samsung Android phone before so I can't speak to the past. But the SGS2 has already received three ROM updates and four camera firmware updates in six weeks. 2.3.4 is expected by the end of the month to address an issue with the Android suspend process chewing up battery. It's for non-branded phones though and once the U.S. carriers get involved all bets are off no matter who manufactured the phone.

G2x was rushed out, to get the "first" tag.... It should have went out with 2.3. Saying that LG can not support the phone is way way way too early. IMO they are trying to make 2.3 release be a complete package, as bug free as reasonably necesssary and possible. Tons of updates are equal to one really solid release, some may prefer lots of updates, while most want a solid release, without the need of tick tacking.
LG is essentially relying on pure Android.....if the G2x is not ready for primetime, then Android itself is not.

Incorrect. LG's abomination is not pure Android. It's been proven that they heavily modified the build and just made it LOOK like stock. So again, it falls on the shoulders of LG to get it right.
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tombaker1 said:
G2x was rushed out...
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Who rushed them?
And how did that work out for them?

Please do not put Samsung in the same league as LG. One year ago I would have said, yea sure, go ahead but not now. They just made the worlds most powerful Android device ever made and there getting involved with the DEV community. They have already released 3 updates for the SGSII which is 3 more than LG issued for the G2X. The SGSII has the least amount of bugs out of the new dual core phones being released.
Samsung just joined HTC at the top. LG just replaced Samsung of the Behold II days.

I might be wrong but why did they come out with naked 2.2 froyo?? im guessing cause they wanted to release the phone as soon as possible because if LG could come out with a dual core phone im sure LG knew that other competitors will be coming out with one soon. Also look at them right now they handed out couple of G2X w/ GB to tmobile employees for testing, why couldn't they do that earlier. I guess they figure "hey lets release the phone w/ 2.2 Froyo and figured it would be "safe"". But i guess that was a big mistake.
As far as im concern my phone works perfectly

in my opinion, yeah LG brought out an unstable phone
but then with the developers roms and kernel, my g2x is the fastest and smoothest phone i've ever experienced with.
im not saying that LG was perfect, but its because of them & developers that i have a phone that rapes any other phone on the market

kookoomang said:
I might be wrong but why did they come out with naked 2.2 froyo?? im guessing cause they wanted to release the phone as soon as possible because if LG could come out with a dual core phone im sure LG knew that other competitors will be coming out with one soon. Also look at them right now they handed out couple of G2X w/ GB to tmobile employees for testing, why couldn't they do that earlier. I guess they figure "hey lets release the phone w/ 2.2 Froyo and figured it would be "safe"". But i guess that was a big mistake.
As far as im concern my phone works perfectly
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The Atrix is dual-core on Froyo with the same Tegra SoC and hasn't experienced the issues the G2X has so you can't blame Froyo. The Sensation and SGS2 are dual-core on Gingerbread and don't have similar issues either which would mean dual-core phones can work successfully with any newer Android version. So, anecdotally, all fingers point to LG's software and/or hardware decisions.

The whole reason I bought this phone was because it was a very powerful, stock android phone. It had all the right hardware. I knew that because it was in the G series it woiuld recieve crazy dev support and I was sold when I heard cyannogen would be making a rom for it. Its unlocked and flash happy. Honestly I didnt care then and dont care now what the phone was like when it was released. I bought this to tinker and tinkering I am doing lots of. If I wanted a locked down phone with a laggy UI i would have gone with an HTC or motorola phone. At the time i had no clue HTC would unlock the bootloader but has that even happened yet?

If htc was so prepared they would of unlocked the bootloader, which they didn't.
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cashyftw said:
If htc was so prepared they would of unlocked the bootloader, which they didn't.
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Huh? How does the reversal of a corporate policy have anything to do with the timing of the release of one of a dozen new phones they'll come out with this year?
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kangxi said:
Incorrect. LG's abomination is not pure Android. It's been proven that they heavily modified the build and just made it LOOK like stock. So again, it falls on the shoulders of LG to get it right.
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What did they do? If there's already a thread you can just point me to it, I'll read through it.
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If anything, it would make more sense to think that HTC is incapable of producing solid tech. And quite honestly, it shows. The G1 was a horrid pieces of hardware [note I said HARDWARE, not software] that only stood out because it was the first Android device. The MyTouch was and is slow and clunky even after official upgrades and custom ROMS , where as the Cliq XT [which at one point was WORST PHONE EVAR!~!! according to most android fanboys] is absolutely blazing on its CM7 port considering its a 600mhz processor. And don't get me started about all of HTC's subpar Winmo phones that plagued T-Mobile for a long time [probably why smartphones didn't take off for a while til the iPhone and Blackberry]
On the other hand, LG is more than capable of producing a high end piece of mobile electronic. Considering they have a long history of computer hardware, also applicances and commercial technology. If you think a SoC based Android phone is complicated, please take a look at service manuals for a modern washer or a 3D HDTV. LG has the assembly lines, the manpower, and the R/D to develop a top class mobile device. And the G2X is easily the best designed phone on the market. I'm sorry so many people have had so many issues, but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.

againareku said:
...but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.
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The first statement kind of contradicts your claims in the second statement, don't you think?

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What did they do? If there's already a thread you can just point me to it, I'll read through it.
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But i can tell you first hand.
this rom is the same rom pretty much as the overseas version which has the lg skin on it. they changed the png files to be stock android and removed the settings additions.
all the hooks and java are in the framework files at least the ones i looked at. have tons of stuff that is not froyo 2.2.2 source.
this explains why both phones have similair problems.
themes cause tons of bootlopps and freezes and reboots if not done correctly. and thats probably the cause of the reboots. since this is a themed rom.
with rommers they put out an update to fix a problem. the companies seem to always try to fix everything before releasing than on top of that they are bringing a whole new os and froyo and GB are quite a bit different. and with tmobile i imagine they told them to get a working gingerbread rom on it and they would buy the phones again.
Hope this helps some.

i think your right
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If anything, it would make more sense to think that HTC is incapable of producing solid tech. And quite honestly, it shows. The G1 was a horrid pieces of hardware [note I said HARDWARE, not software] that only stood out because it was the first Android device. The MyTouch was and is slow and clunky even after official upgrades and custom ROMS , where as the Cliq XT [which at one point was WORST PHONE EVAR!~!! according to most android fanboys] is absolutely blazing on its CM7 port considering its a 600mhz processor. And don't get me started about all of HTC's subpar Winmo phones that plagued T-Mobile for a long time [probably why smartphones didn't take off for a while til the iPhone and Blackberry]
On the other hand, LG is more than capable of producing a high end piece of mobile electronic. Considering they have a long history of computer hardware, also applicances and commercial technology. If you think a SoC based Android phone is complicated, please take a look at service manuals for a modern washer or a 3D HDTV. LG has the assembly lines, the manpower, and the R/D to develop a top class mobile device. And the G2X is easily the best designed phone on the market. I'm sorry so many people have had so many issues, but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.
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and i hope you are hardware wise. it appears its the software that they are having problems with. and although they all continue ot be quite i would bet a company like lg made some changes after this debacle.
lets hope.

BarryH_GEG said:
Who rushed them?
And how did that work out for them?
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Worked great, the got a lot of press for being the first dual core, which is why they rushed.
The sales have been so strong that they ran out of the phones. Negative press is pretty much on this site and similar, which probably reaches about 5% max of the buyers.
They released with 2.2 which gives most a strong belief that 2.3 will solve a ton of issues whether or not I have experienced them.
The G2x will always be part of the against other phones, as part of the benchmarks, where as the Sensation will drop off.
So did it work, I think so.
Looking forward to 2.3....if it introduces problems I will be very upset.

AT&T, their plan to do as little as possible to update phones!!!

This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones, yet the *PRIZED* possession of AT&T, the Iphone (I$hit) and let apple update them on their own and don't fill them with bloatware.... I absolutely hate that they treat phones like that....
Modz please don't close, this is meant to be a venting thread!

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This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones, yet the *PRIZED* possession of AT&T, the Iphone (I$hit) and let apple update them on their own and don't fill them with bloatware.... I absolutely hate that they treat phones like that....
Modz please don't close, this is meant to be a venting thread!
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Just flash CyanogenMod, it's infinitely better than that bloatware infused crap anyway

Agreed, I just root and flash and don't worry about att. Most average users don't even know what a update is nor do they care.
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I run MIUI so no worries there, just once source is released, bugs will be fixed!
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This thread is unnecessary. If you are on xda, chances are you are looking to make your phone better. If not, you probably don't care. Why is this thread different from others complaining about a carrier? And if you are on Miui why complain? Even with source there will be bugs needing fixed.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

There will be less bugs than there are already!
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Less yes, but still bugs. All I am saying is creating a thread to vent on a forum that is designed to change how your phone works is pointless. Go back to stock on your phone because the bugs will not be as plentiful.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

Usually I wouldn't worry about this thread and move on, but I agree with the OP about the iPhone.
When AT&T got possession of the most powerful phone in the world (SGS II, for those that don't know) there wasn't one single advertisement saying that it was coming out or that they was selling it. When the iPhone had TWO WEEKS to release there was a big *** advertisement on their homepage for preorders. On top of that, when you look at their smartphones the iPhone lineup from the best to the worst that they are selling are all of the first phones listed, where's the SGS II? DEAD LAST!!!
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I don't blame AT&T that much, why wouldn't they push a single phone that millions want vs. pushing all of the android phones they have, in the past two months we have seen the galaxy s II, the Atrix II, the SkyRocket and the Vivid released. Before that it as the Atrix, Infuse, and Inspire, all the while Apple has released 1 phone. From a marketing perspective its much cheaper to push 1 phone vs. the 7 I just mentioned and the other 4 smaller releases they have had for android. On top of that they are also selling Windows 7 and blackberry phones. To sum it up its makes sense and is cheaper for them the market the hell out the most popular phone in America then to have to create new campaigns every month for the next flagship phone that gets released for Android. I think that extends to updates as well, I would bet if there were one android manufacturer like Apple for Iphone we would see much quicker updates, its just sort the headache you sign up for when you buy an android phone, if you want quick updates get a google phone, otherwise all you can do is flash.

b-eock said:
This is a thread to express your anger at AT&T for not updating phones on a timely basis... They are stalling so they don't have to put their Developers to work and update phones
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Dude, the captivate is a 1 year old model, unless they start melting down in peoples hands, dont expect another update for your phone. I can just about promise ICS will never come for cappy from AT&T. Be glad we did finally get GB.

rahlquist said:
Dude, the captivate is a 1 year old model, unless they start melting down in peoples hands, dont expect another update for your phone. I can just about promise ICS will never come for cappy from AT&T. Be glad we did finally get GB.
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We didn't get official Gingerbread... and Google requires updates for At least 18 months!
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... but.... we haven't got GB. Not officially. We have to rely on leaks from Samsung.
Edit: b-eock beat me to it.
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I've come to expect very little from AT&T. Just a bit more than the bare minimum (i.e. a phone that can call people).

also if you want to express any opinion to At&t, contact At&t. dont expect that they research their old products as well enough to find this message to them.
email, call - i think they have these options if not default to angry letter attached to a box with an old style wind up clock in it.

TRusselo said:
email, call - i think they have these options if not default to angry letter attached to a box with an old style wind up clock in it.
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I was largely under the presumption that, as AT&T customers, we've done this so often that we're sick of it and absolutely can't stand another 3hr+ chat just to get them to send us a replacement phone.

Aus_Azn said:
I was largely under the presumption that, as AT&T customers, we've done this so often that we're sick of it and absolutely can't stand another 3hr+ chat just to get them to send us a replacement phone.
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Many people haven't needed replacement phones because of the os not getting updated. I don't think that has ever happened.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!

flashman2002 said:
Many people haven't needed replacement phones because of the os not getting updated. I don't think that has ever happened.
Glitch kernel let me OC to 1.4!
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I was specifically referencing the idea of calling AT&T, not discussing the issue of replacement phones.

ok then dont call them. make a blog, or yell at the wall, it will do you the same amount of good as posting here.

Stupid question but how is Sprint & Verizon when it comes to updates? I have read they also do the same, MetroPCS are still selling Eclair phones I believe.
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It is pretty much all the us providers that slow down getting the updates. Some manufacturers were sending out pretty frequent updates for their phones but usually it was because they would send out an update like 2.2 which would have some bugs, then a month later they would supposedly fix those bugs with an update that incremented to 2.2.1, 2.2.3 or whatever (I do not remember the exact updates but some of my coworkers with their HTC or Moto phones seemed to get the little incremented updates pretty often, but going from lets say 2.2 to 2.3 took a while.
This is ONE of the advanteges to 1. having a sister device in common like the i9000 and i897 cappy and as well the i9100 and i777. Which WILL allow us on Cappys and ATT OG SGS2's to stay ahead of whatever it is the provider puts out. Like on my cappy I was running froyo maybe 6 months before att decided to put out a official update, then just as att put out the official froyo I was running leaked gingerbread roms which STILL has not been made official from att.
AND 2. being a part of the XDA community so we can get these BETTER THAN STOCK ROM leaks well before.
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Scream @ HTC on their FB page for an update!

This was a good idea (however fruitless it may turn out to be) that I stole from the Galaxy 7.7 forum.
Go to https://www.facebook.com/htcusa and simply post this:
Dear HTC,
Update the MyTouch 4G Slide to Android 4.0+!!!
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Honestly I don't think anyone would care whether it was ICS or Jelly Bean at this point, but the phone desperately needs an update to the stock ROM. Would be nice if we could get at least ICS with Sense 4!

Not gonna work
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way too late at this point

There might (just might) be an update coming from HTC at some point. One of the gov't agencies (can't remember if it was FTC or FCC) ruled against HTC last month in a major case. The result is that HTC will have to update a LOT of older phones in order to comply with the ruling. There were rumors that HTC had been working on an ICS update for our phone but ceased work due to budget issues. So, to comply with the gov't ruling, they might resume work on what they've done and release the update. Or, they could just release some lame-ass patch just to comply. But, regardless, there will probably be some sort of update coming from HTC/T-Mobile for this phone in the coming months.
EDIT: It was the FTC, here is the ruling: http://ftc.gov/opa/2013/02/htc.shtm

WangChung81 said:
This was a good idea (however fruitless it may turn out to be) that I stole from the Galaxy 7.7 forum.
Go to https://www.facebook.com/htcusa and simply post this:
Honestly I don't think anyone would care whether it was ICS or Jelly Bean at this point, but the phone desperately needs an update to the stock ROM. Would be nice if we could get at least ICS with Sense 4!
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Done; and answer.....from HTC USA
HTC USA Sorry, .... The MyTouch 4g Slide will not be upgraded to ICS.
maybe more post on their side will change something...((
P.S I'm very fu. angry because there is nothing good / new with slide keyb, and, despite the fact that this equipment has a good performance, they do not want to update it, but it does not give anything with slide. ahhhh!!!!!

HTC deserve all the spam for not updating this device. Its all their fault because they didn't market it as a high end device which it is. And also failed to release an international version. The DS is a great device and still deserves more from HTC

We ALL understand your frustrations. But I'm afraid this flagship has already sailed. This is really a Sensation with a slideout KB and look what they've done for it. But really the only thing that big companies like HTC pay any attention to is marketshare. You know....their own bottom line.
Do what you will but when the time comes, I'm taking my business elsewhere. When they finally figure out that people are sick of being taken in on a worthy $500 phone by sending it out with a big hole in the hull & they all know it's sinking they MAY rethink their business model. But until that happens I'd love to see them have to name the next "biggie" they put out the Titanic.
Maybe they will see then that THEY weren't sunk by an iceberg but by a little ole Ice Cream Sandwich. KWIM?

WeekendsR2Short said:
We ALL understand your frustrations. But I'm afraid this flagship has already sailed. This is really a Sensation with a slideout KB and look what they've done for it. But really the only thing that big companies like HTC pay any attention to is marketshare. You know....their own bottom line.
Do what you will but when the time comes, I'm taking my business elsewhere. When they finally figure out that people are sick of being taken in on a worthy $500 phone by sending it out with a big hole in the hull & they all know it's sinking they MAY rethink their business model. But until that happens I'd love to see them have to name the next "biggie" they put out the Titanic.
Maybe they will see then that THEY weren't sunk by an iceberg but by a little ole Ice Cream Sandwich. KWIM?
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I'm definitely NOT buying HTC anymore. They suckered me in twice, on this phone and a Flyer tablet. Never again. And I think a lot of people feel the same way, HTC is sinking, their sales are in the toilet, nobody is buying their stuff.

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Fuzi0719 said:
I'm definitely NOT buying HTC anymore. They suckered me in twice, on this phone and a Flyer tablet. Never again. And I think a lot of people feel the same way, HTC is sinking, their sales are in the toilet, nobody is buying their stuff.
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I'm definitely in agreement here, and it seems that a lot of us share the same feelings ever since HTC and Tmo decided to pretend our phone never happened. I only found out about the phone because it was an insurance replacement for my g2, which apparently wasn't available at all for replacement (refurb or not). I hadn't heard anything about the MT4GS, and the phone had released about a week prior to my swap, which goes to show you how Tmo dropped the ball on marketing. I will say that it was a marked improvement over the g2 and that i've enjoyed my time with it for the most part. However, even bone stock I would get random soft reboots and other quirks that generally went away once I rooted and rom'd.
It wound up being my third HTC phone in a row, and probably my last for some time because of the way we got treated on this device. Not to mention their current lineup (minus DNA) is pretty meh. A friend has a One X that I've had some time on, which is a pretty cool phone mind you, but not that impressive. I guess I'm going to take business to Samsung for the next one, as they irk me the least out of the android OEMs these days. I'd jump on an N4, but the whole cloud thing doesn't go over too well when you don't have consistent 4g or wifi all the time. Unfortunately, New England's geography wreaks havoc on signal in a lot of places and reliance on cloud storage just isn't ideal. Locally stored files ftw.
At the time, the official excuse for our device not getting updated was something about user experience and not working out to expectations, but as we all know that is a load of bull, since the devs here have pulled out the stops in keeping the device up to date. Granted not everything works 100% on these roms, without any source we're doing pretty darn good in this corner and there are no complaints from me about their hard work. Members of this community (and beyond) have attempted to get HTC to budge to no avail... about a year ago. There's no hope at this point of any official anything. And that sucks.
As an aside, has anyone else noticed how visually similar our mysense and sense 4 are? I definitely remember seeing the sense 4 launcher when it first dropped on a few phones and thinking that it looked a lot like our stock one.
I tried not to wall of text but I can't help it. Sorry guys and gals.

I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.

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I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.
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With only chatter about what the next Nexus "might" be I'll stick with my Nexus 4. There is not.... Let me say that again while I still can...there is not a faster device out there. Yeah of course some have huge screens and huge 6k mah batteries but they still can't keep up.
I don't keep much on my phone so I rock the 8GB with zero issues.
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Fuzi0719 said:
I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.
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I'm looking at Sony phones too. Pretty sure I'm going to get my gf and I the Z/ZL (she's a klutz, so she needs the waterproofing :silly
If the leaks of the SG4 are real, it's just a huge honkin phone/mini Note 3. I don't WANT a giant screen held to my face, and when I want to watch a movie or do some power browsing I have a TABLET for that.

My LG Rant

LG.... just never again... after this...
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What really sucks is not being able to have everything in one ROM. I'm not saying it's the devs fault, but it just sucks. If I want a full working phone I have to dual boot and I just don't want to have to have my messages on a different ROM. If someone calls you and you don't know they did how are you to respond?
And on the other end using a Jellybean/ICS ROM which I currently am, you can't record or use HWA, and it's buggy. If you want full functionality, you have to use Gingerbread which sucks because it is very outdated and 1/3 of my apps won't even be able to be installed on my phone if I use it. Not only that but the rest won't have a much functionality.
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It really sucks having a G2x.. it had great potential and was just abandoned.. LG should legit give refunds to everyone who bought them because people with the G2x are sacrificing functionality or using the best Android version. Anyone else agree? (I know it would never happen, but still.. I have to use this phone for another 7+ months before I get an upgrade in which I'll grab the iPhone 5S and stop with the fragmentation)

Yeah i hear ya man. LG abondonded this device. I wish Google was in charge of the updates.
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Just get a Nexus. We all wish LG had done somethings differently, (Release the ICS update for the P999), but we can't do anything now. I wouldn't ever by another phone made and supported by LG, however if it is a Nexus and has software updates issues by Google themselves, then I would. This Nexus 4 is amazing and is one of, if not, the best phone you can buy currently for it's price.

Android phones were designed for people who love tweeking, if you want a phone you never have to modify or have to worry about updates or fixes, get an iphone, its very noob friendly, even my mom can use her iphone with great success.

You're right.
Spawne32 said:
Android phones were designed for people who love tweeking, if you want a phone you never have to modify or have to worry about updates or fixes, get an iphone, its very noob friendly, even my mom can use her iphone with great success.
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The problem is when manufacturer's pack in a whole bunch of completely proprietary hardware into a phone, then they stop developing for it and releasing drivers. Couple that with jerkwad carriers that force locked bootloaders and other restrictions, and it makes the whole situation stink. I have an LG Spectrum 2, it is a very, very good phone. But I'll be stuck on ICS until the end of time because the carrier, and the manufacturer, have no consideration for support after the sale.
These devices are computers that can make phone calls, I've yet to see an actual computer whose software couldn't be modified or replaced.
At least Apple allows every device to upgrade to the latest version (within reason).

mcapozzi said:
The problem is when manufacturer's pack in a whole bunch of completely proprietary hardware into a phone, then they stop developing for it and releasing drivers. Couple that with jerkwad carriers that force locked bootloaders and other restrictions, and it makes the whole situation stink. I have an LG Spectrum 2, it is a very, very good phone. But I'll be stuck on ICS until the end of time because the carrier, and the manufacturer, have no consideration for support after the sale.
These devices are computers that can make phone calls, I've yet to see an actual computer whose software couldn't be modified or replaced.
At least Apple allows every device to upgrade to the latest version (within reason).
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Apples are built with an entirely different philosophy, when you buy their product you are cradled with software and design support at the expense of having no freedom with the device whatsoever. Android, and essentially linux which is its base, whole purpose in life is customization, especially on the user end, hence why open source support is so huge for android phones. You are right though, jerkwad carriers and proprietary hardware take alot of the fun out of all of it for the expense of profits, thats why I love the fact that google came out with the nexus line of unlocked phones, its basically a jab at all the carriers and their proprietary phones and software saying, we can do whatever we want, because its our right to, we designed it.

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Android phones were designed for people who love tweeking, if you want a phone you never have to modify or have to worry about updates or fixes, get an iphone, its very noob friendly, even my mom can use her iphone with great success.
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At this point it seems like android was made for people that will pay top dollar for unfinished products.
Excuse me and other sensible people for wanting a fully working device. My iPhone 2g and 3g both worked and I could still modify them quite a bit. Even my sister's galaxy nexus had big mms problems that Google never fixed.
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At this point it seems like android was made for people that will pay top dollar for unfinished products.
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I can't even argue with this lol

LG is terrible....
I too swore never to buy another LG device and silly me I got a Nexus 4....
I still cling onto my G2X and use it as media device. I have DROID TV and have like over 20gigs of shows I need to watch and finish. Also I connect my phone to my TV and watch it there. Don't use it much as a phone. Mainly because whenever I watch my shows it would interrupt and got very annoying.
I still love my G2X. Right size, great screen, never needed screen protector. Battery is terrible and Nexus 4 is just as bad, I mean could be better but isn't.
But who's to blame. Honestly, if CM10.1 gets calling ability and work I'll come right back to this device. Main reason I don't sell it or dump the phone is because I paid full retail price for it and still refuse to accept the loss. Because thats what this phone has been. A loss. I mean seriously.

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LG is terrible....
I too swore never to buy another LG device and silly me I got a Nexus 4....
I still cling onto my G2X and use it as media device. I have DROID TV and have like over 20gigs of shows I need to watch and finish. Also I connect my phone to my TV and watch it there. Don't use it much as a phone. Mainly because whenever I watch my shows it would interrupt and got very annoying.
I still love my G2X. Right size, great screen, never needed screen protector. Battery is terrible and Nexus 4 is just as bad, I mean could be better but isn't.
But who's to blame. Honestly, if CM10.1 gets calling ability and work I'll come right back to this device. Main reason I don't sell it or dump the phone is because I paid full retail price for it and still refuse to accept the loss. Because thats what this phone has been. A loss. I mean seriously.
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Nexus 4 really that bad? Unlocked and off contract for $350 is a steal in my opinion. That's only $100 more than a used galaxy Nexus.
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Eh, I decided to get the new One from HTC. It just had too much promotion to not get it. I love the G2x, great build quality for sure. I was able to get the One for $99 by switching to Sprint, and I decided to go ahead and send in the ol' G2x to (hopefully) receive the $100 gift card. So, essentially I payed next to nothing for the phone itself, but I will have to eat the cost of cancelling my T-mo account a few months early, but I'll also be able to get a discount on the plan because of corporate discount through work. It was just too enticing not to go for it. I know it's not a Nexus, but I am positive the hardware will be more than capable enough to run several more Android versions in the future. I believe the G2x just won't be able to handle much more than jelly bean. I think it's mostly the lack of ram, but I'm going to remain subscribed to this forum and check back on occasion. If it goes past jelly bean, I won't be surprised if those future versions will be running barebones/ultra slimmed down versions. I also have an old school G1 still, but bricked it trying to get the system to see SD card as usable ram to upgrade. Still wish I could get that thing to work...
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vmartinez39 said:
LG is terrible....
I too swore never to buy another LG device and silly me I got a Nexus 4....
I still cling onto my G2X and use it as media device. I have DROID TV and have like over 20gigs of shows I need to watch and finish. Also I connect my phone to my TV and watch it there. Don't use it much as a phone. Mainly because whenever I watch my shows it would interrupt and got very annoying.
I still love my G2X. Right size, great screen, never needed screen protector. Battery is terrible and Nexus 4 is just as bad, I mean could be better but isn't.
But who's to blame. Honestly, if CM10.1 gets calling ability and work I'll come right back to this device. Main reason I don't sell it or dump the phone is because I paid full retail price for it and still refuse to accept the loss. Because thats what this phone has been. A loss. I mean seriously.
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Everyone that I know that has the nexus absolutely loves it, i havent heard a single bad thing about it.

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Everyone that I know that has the nexus absolutely loves it, i havent heard a single bad thing about it.
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Same here.
I might be picking up a Galaxy Nexus dirt cheap to tide me over till my upgrade.
Although, I really don't have anu bad blood with my G2x.
First smart phone, does everything I need it to do, and I've only ran into a couple games that won't run on my G2x due to being pre-4.0.x OS, and I just play them on my tablet running BakedBean 4.1.2. Still a good phone for me after 15 months. Solid build, I don't care too much it doesn't have ICS/JB, with 512MB total, and after carveout for GPU, sitting at <400MB, the experience of ICS/JB on this device isn't going to be anything stellar over GB as GB didn't have as large as memory usage requirements as ICS/JB.
Just saying, does it really, really matter that much guys?
Not to me anyways.

Yeah, I agree with the most of the people here regarding software updates between iOS and Android and I honestly LOVE android, but the software updates are slow.. if Google could fix up the fragmentation, they would be closer to #1 on my list. The only other complaint is apps in the Google Play but that's not really a big issue. I'm glad at least I wasn't the only one who was having problem with my G2x.
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I have only been introduced to the world of android rooting and Modding for the last month. This is my first smart phone. I got bored of it and found this website. Read about the advantages to rooting and flashing roms for a few weeks and finally did it. I'm more than satisfied with how my device is performing compared to stock. It's faster, better looking, and just plain more fun to use. I would love to see a fully working ics rom though. I love the interface and crisp feel.
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Blaming LG is only partially right. It's primarily from being on a crap AWS carrier like t-mo, wind, etc. The p990 got it's update, no reason p999 wouldn't with just a few tweaks except they didn't even care that much. Anyways, blame is on the carrier. Keep in mind buying your next phone.
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To be completely honest if we get the RIL working on 4.2.2 this phone could easily last me another 7 months
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[DISSCUSION] Are unexploitable bootloaders bringing US development to an end?

Opinions from different perspectives are most welcome but please mind your Ps and Qs.
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Where did you get this news? please share more details about this.

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Where did you get this news? please share more details about this.
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It is not news per se. And not meaning to be flip it is a simply a question brought on by the observation of facts as they present themselfs.

My 2 cents
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I don't think carriers are locking boot loaders to hinder development, in a strict sense. I believe they're doing it to force people to upgrade their devices more often, in order to gain any new innovations from OS upgrades. Take a look at the Samsung Infuse, a phone which was orphaned almost from the time of it's release. Thanks to a developer named Scott Hart, you can run kitkat 4.4 on it. If people hold on to their phones longer, profits go down.

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I don't think carriers are locking boot loaders to. hinder development, in a strict sense. I believe they're doing it to force people to upgrade their devices more often, in order to gain any new innovations from OS upgrades. Take a look at the Samsung Infuse, a phone which was orphaned almost from the time of it's release. Thanks to a developer named Scott Hart, you can run kitkat 4.4 on it. If people hold on to their phones longer, profits go down.
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I take your point and it's a good one. I do not know-for sure-the reasoning behind it just the result. Ironically, I do know that the majoritu of innovation-in my view-have come from xda members saving these carriers a lot of money in R&D. I remember loading CM on a tiny little phone a few years ago to get innvations that are now incorporated standard on most phones.
I would say it's interesting that I am continuously reminded what a small insignificant percentage xda members make up -- interestingly to argue diametrically opposed views.

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I take your point and it's a good one. I do not know-for sure-the reasoning behind it just the result. Ironically, I do know that the majoritu of innovation-in my view-have come from xda members saving these carriers a lot of money in R&D. I remember loading CM on a tiny little phone a few years ago to get innvations that are now incorporated standard on most phones.
I would say it's interesting that I am continuously reminded what a small insignificant percentage xda members make up -- interestingly to argue diametrically opposed views.
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@NumbrR7: I second your point. I think that really grates (angers) me that most of the "new" phones are mostly incremental updates (i.e. better camera, updated OS). On another note, Oppo (based in mainland China) is gaining a niche for themselves because, from what I understand and read, the OS is developer-friendly and comes factory unlocked out of the box. USA carriers won't let that happen -- oh the horror. <rolling eyes>
Again, I affirm your position on this, numbR7.
XDA rules!

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@NumbrR7: USA carriers won't let that happen -- oh the horror. <rolling eyes>
XDA rules!
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Corporate greed and capitalism. Having said that, I disagree, to some extent, with their line of thinking. I have the galaxy s, s2, s3, s4, s5 , and note3. I have had a custom Rom on every single device up until the s5 and the note. Rooting and updating to the latest OS only made me want the new hardware even more. But alas, I too think it might be fading. When it does, I think the opposite will happen, and I will hang on to my device longer. I am already thinking of going back to the s4 with Shostock on it, for my daily phone.

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Corporate greed and capitalism. Having said that, I disagree, to some extent, with their line of thinking. I have the galaxy s, s2, s3, s4, s5 , and note3. I have had a custom Rom on every single device up until the s5 and the note. Rooting and updating to the latest OS only made me want the new hardware even more. But alas, I too think it might be fading. When it does, I think the opposite will happen, and I will hang on to my device longer. I am already thinking of going back to the s4 with Shostock on it, for my daily phone.
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I don't exactly agree with your first sentence (but it's worth discussion on a different type forum). That said. Your point is otherwise very well taken. You may get a new feature (maybe a new fade) but lose everthing else (that the freedom of controlling your own device gives you) suddenly that extra megapixel or two doesn't seem worth $650. Yep I'm sure of it! I think you have a really good point. I know it's a tad different but I choose to stick with Hyperdrive 15 (4.3) to avoid the hassles with SS and 4.4. That is NOT to say that I am bad mouthing SS. To the contrary, it's saved my behind. Hows that for nice language? Lol

Scott's still going with the Infuse?! Good on him! I loved that little phone. If it weren't for the problems with the video camera, I'd still be using it.
Well, this might rub some the wrong way but if all carriers started locking their bootloaders and forced buyers to choose based on hardware alone, I'd buy an iPhone. I love the little innovations that have come with an open Android - like Paranoid Android - but the hardware is usually underwhelming. The S4 has the screen going for it, but that's it. Apparently Apple will finally use larger screens on their iPhones so not much win for Samsung.
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Scott's still going with the Infuse?! Good on him! I loved that little phone. If it weren't for the problems with the video camera, I'd still be using it.
Well, this might rub some the wrong way but if all carriers started locking their bootloaders and forced buyers to choose based on hardware alone, I'd buy an iPhone. I love the little innovations that have come with an open Android - like Paranoid Android - but the hardware is usually underwhelming. The S4 has the screen going for it, but that's it. Apparently Apple will finally use larger screens on their iPhones so not much win for Samsung.
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I think you're right especially if the screen is bumped up. With the bootloader situation you already have an "i-droid" anyway. "Open source" no longer has meaning.

Hopefully this will accelerate the people looking at buying much cheaper phones that aren't locked to any specific carrier and also aren't boot locked. The effectiveness of upgrades is dimishing which should help push this shift and hopefully will ultimately keep these big phone manufacturers honest.

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Hopefully this will accelerate the people looking at buying much cheaper phones that aren't locked to any specific carrier and also aren't boot locked. The effectiveness of upgrades is dimishing which should help push this shift and hopefully will ultimately keep these big phone manufacturers honest.
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I've already looked into those "cheaper" phones. Most of them, right now, anyway, don't have LTE chipsets yet. In addition, 4G just rolled out in China (we get the new stuff first -- obviously). However, the cheaper phones are made and shipped factory unlocked. Some phones have a dual sim slots (i.e. one sim for personal, one sim for business).
I'm partnered up with a wholesaler and have access to everything he carries. The best part is that he doesn't "compete" with whom he partners up with -- bad for business, he says.
My .02 =)

as others have said it's just the way of big business in the 21st century. up until a week ago i had a 2 year old S2 which was running a 4.4.2 ROM (ressurection remix). if i hadnt been able to root and flash a ROM i'd have probably got myself a new phone long ago so locking down phones may get customers to upgrade more often (i know it would with me) as it is i bought my new phone outright and have gone payg to save myself some money and also to be able to upgrade as and when i like. i did look at some of the chinese phones (goophone being one) but wasnt sure of the root capabilities so decided to give it a miss.
i think even locked bootloaders will eventually be hacked. nothing is impossible. it's just down to when and how long we wait.

I took a brief reprieve from this forum, since there wasn't any groundbreaking progress made (and by "groundbreaking", I mean exploited bootloader).
It looks as if that has remained unchanged? I've only had the S4 for a year now, but I am officially "over" Samsung devices. Very aesthetically pleasing, but hardly functional overall. Battery is crap on every Samsung device, and the only thing that ever helped me was either buying a 3rd party with larger capacity, and/or running a custom ROM/kernel combo that allows for both less consumption as well as rapid-charge.
I'm interested to see this new thing Google is going to unveil to replace the GPE phones. I have no issue paying full price for a device that I can do whatever I want with, and know that there will be a strong following for. Even if that following is only a certain, small niche of the overall market.
It's a shame that my fun with AOSP had to come to a screeching halt, I loved the simplicity and functionality of it.

I don't think carriers make much or any money from selling new hardware. They make their money from plans.
That said, I'm happy to be on 4.4.2 SlimRom. ☺

disturbd1 said:
I took a brief reprieve from this forum, since there wasn't any groundbreaking progress made (and by "groundbreaking", I mean exploited bootloader).
It looks as if that has remained unchanged? I've only had the S4 for a year now, but I am officially "over" Samsung devices. Very aesthetically pleasing, but hardly functional overall. Battery is crap on every Samsung device, and the only thing that ever helped me was either buying a 3rd party with larger capacity, and/or running a custom ROM/kernel combo that allows for both less consumption as well as rapid-charge.
I'm interested to see this new thing Google is going to unveil to replace the GPE phones. I have no issue paying full price for a device that I can do whatever I want with, and know that there will be a strong following for. Even if that following is only a certain, small niche of the overall market.
It's a shame that my fun with AOSP had to come to a screeching halt, I loved the simplicity and functionality of it.
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Well, even if I sold my i337, the battery life was honestly very good for me. There's the facts that maybe I don't use it heavily every day, but I turn GPS on only when I have to find a specific place I haven't been to before. GPS down - battery life up. 3G down, unless I need it - battery life up. Power saving mode - battery life up.
As for the Android Silver program, we all are curious to see how will this turn out.