Don't think these other companies were ready...

Don't think these other companies were ready... - T-Mobile LG G2x

Samsung... LG. They wanted to enter the superphone battle but really had no idea of what they were getting themselves into. The time is over where you can just release a phone and not update it expecting it to just continue to sell.
HTC has been dealing with Android for awhile and definitely understands this concept. Many of their phones are receiving Gingerbread while many others have had announcements about updates. HTC stated a phone wasn't going to be updated then a day later had a change of heart. Days later an announcement was made with details of the update.
Communication and promptness is what is going to make or break these companies. Samsung had a big success with the Galaxy S but no one can deny they failed with updating the device once issues arose.
LG definitely wasn't ready to have the "world's first dual-core" smartphone when they didn't even have a competent engineering team to put out good software. And now that same software team is taking forever to get it right.
Were we too naive trusting LG with a phone of this stature?
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samsung was ready. I mean look at the sgs2 now. Even with not updating like you said they had mad success. Even those who said never again still want the samsung. It also is the least buggiest device on paper out there looking at the forums.
LG yes. they came in like DEEERRRP, but Samsung knew what they were doing. ****, sgs 4g lmaoooo. They may not be cool how they do it, but they know what there doing and make a good product or people wouldnt be wanting a sgs2 so bad.
Only issue they had was gps, and yes poor updates but thats just them saving money and time and sending it out on a whole new device thats the same as the last with the update. lol

LG did it right with the hardware but screwed up the software. It happens. Google has yet to work with LG, which I think is next in line.
Samsung, HTC, Motorola have all had turns with google and learning the ins and outs.
I think the next Nexus phone will be LG... that will bring them up to speed like the rest.

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samsung was ready. I mean look at the sgs2 now.
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I've never had a Samsung Android phone before so I can't speak to the past. But the SGS2 has already received three ROM updates and four camera firmware updates in six weeks. 2.3.4 is expected by the end of the month to address an issue with the Android suspend process chewing up battery. It's for non-branded phones though and once the U.S. carriers get involved all bets are off no matter who manufactured the phone.

G2x was rushed out, to get the "first" tag.... It should have went out with 2.3. Saying that LG can not support the phone is way way way too early. IMO they are trying to make 2.3 release be a complete package, as bug free as reasonably necesssary and possible. Tons of updates are equal to one really solid release, some may prefer lots of updates, while most want a solid release, without the need of tick tacking.
LG is essentially relying on pure Android.....if the G2x is not ready for primetime, then Android itself is not.

Incorrect. LG's abomination is not pure Android. It's been proven that they heavily modified the build and just made it LOOK like stock. So again, it falls on the shoulders of LG to get it right.
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tombaker1 said:
G2x was rushed out...
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Who rushed them?
And how did that work out for them?

Please do not put Samsung in the same league as LG. One year ago I would have said, yea sure, go ahead but not now. They just made the worlds most powerful Android device ever made and there getting involved with the DEV community. They have already released 3 updates for the SGSII which is 3 more than LG issued for the G2X. The SGSII has the least amount of bugs out of the new dual core phones being released.
Samsung just joined HTC at the top. LG just replaced Samsung of the Behold II days.

I might be wrong but why did they come out with naked 2.2 froyo?? im guessing cause they wanted to release the phone as soon as possible because if LG could come out with a dual core phone im sure LG knew that other competitors will be coming out with one soon. Also look at them right now they handed out couple of G2X w/ GB to tmobile employees for testing, why couldn't they do that earlier. I guess they figure "hey lets release the phone w/ 2.2 Froyo and figured it would be "safe"". But i guess that was a big mistake.
As far as im concern my phone works perfectly

in my opinion, yeah LG brought out an unstable phone
but then with the developers roms and kernel, my g2x is the fastest and smoothest phone i've ever experienced with.
im not saying that LG was perfect, but its because of them & developers that i have a phone that rapes any other phone on the market

kookoomang said:
I might be wrong but why did they come out with naked 2.2 froyo?? im guessing cause they wanted to release the phone as soon as possible because if LG could come out with a dual core phone im sure LG knew that other competitors will be coming out with one soon. Also look at them right now they handed out couple of G2X w/ GB to tmobile employees for testing, why couldn't they do that earlier. I guess they figure "hey lets release the phone w/ 2.2 Froyo and figured it would be "safe"". But i guess that was a big mistake.
As far as im concern my phone works perfectly
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The Atrix is dual-core on Froyo with the same Tegra SoC and hasn't experienced the issues the G2X has so you can't blame Froyo. The Sensation and SGS2 are dual-core on Gingerbread and don't have similar issues either which would mean dual-core phones can work successfully with any newer Android version. So, anecdotally, all fingers point to LG's software and/or hardware decisions.

The whole reason I bought this phone was because it was a very powerful, stock android phone. It had all the right hardware. I knew that because it was in the G series it woiuld recieve crazy dev support and I was sold when I heard cyannogen would be making a rom for it. Its unlocked and flash happy. Honestly I didnt care then and dont care now what the phone was like when it was released. I bought this to tinker and tinkering I am doing lots of. If I wanted a locked down phone with a laggy UI i would have gone with an HTC or motorola phone. At the time i had no clue HTC would unlock the bootloader but has that even happened yet?

If htc was so prepared they would of unlocked the bootloader, which they didn't.
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If htc was so prepared they would of unlocked the bootloader, which they didn't.
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Huh? How does the reversal of a corporate policy have anything to do with the timing of the release of one of a dozen new phones they'll come out with this year?
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kangxi said:
Incorrect. LG's abomination is not pure Android. It's been proven that they heavily modified the build and just made it LOOK like stock. So again, it falls on the shoulders of LG to get it right.
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What did they do? If there's already a thread you can just point me to it, I'll read through it.
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If anything, it would make more sense to think that HTC is incapable of producing solid tech. And quite honestly, it shows. The G1 was a horrid pieces of hardware [note I said HARDWARE, not software] that only stood out because it was the first Android device. The MyTouch was and is slow and clunky even after official upgrades and custom ROMS , where as the Cliq XT [which at one point was WORST PHONE EVAR!~!! according to most android fanboys] is absolutely blazing on its CM7 port considering its a 600mhz processor. And don't get me started about all of HTC's subpar Winmo phones that plagued T-Mobile for a long time [probably why smartphones didn't take off for a while til the iPhone and Blackberry]
On the other hand, LG is more than capable of producing a high end piece of mobile electronic. Considering they have a long history of computer hardware, also applicances and commercial technology. If you think a SoC based Android phone is complicated, please take a look at service manuals for a modern washer or a 3D HDTV. LG has the assembly lines, the manpower, and the R/D to develop a top class mobile device. And the G2X is easily the best designed phone on the market. I'm sorry so many people have had so many issues, but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.

againareku said:
...but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.
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The first statement kind of contradicts your claims in the second statement, don't you think?

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What did they do? If there's already a thread you can just point me to it, I'll read through it.
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But i can tell you first hand.
this rom is the same rom pretty much as the overseas version which has the lg skin on it. they changed the png files to be stock android and removed the settings additions.
all the hooks and java are in the framework files at least the ones i looked at. have tons of stuff that is not froyo 2.2.2 source.
this explains why both phones have similair problems.
themes cause tons of bootlopps and freezes and reboots if not done correctly. and thats probably the cause of the reboots. since this is a themed rom.
with rommers they put out an update to fix a problem. the companies seem to always try to fix everything before releasing than on top of that they are bringing a whole new os and froyo and GB are quite a bit different. and with tmobile i imagine they told them to get a working gingerbread rom on it and they would buy the phones again.
Hope this helps some.

i think your right
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If anything, it would make more sense to think that HTC is incapable of producing solid tech. And quite honestly, it shows. The G1 was a horrid pieces of hardware [note I said HARDWARE, not software] that only stood out because it was the first Android device. The MyTouch was and is slow and clunky even after official upgrades and custom ROMS , where as the Cliq XT [which at one point was WORST PHONE EVAR!~!! according to most android fanboys] is absolutely blazing on its CM7 port considering its a 600mhz processor. And don't get me started about all of HTC's subpar Winmo phones that plagued T-Mobile for a long time [probably why smartphones didn't take off for a while til the iPhone and Blackberry]
On the other hand, LG is more than capable of producing a high end piece of mobile electronic. Considering they have a long history of computer hardware, also applicances and commercial technology. If you think a SoC based Android phone is complicated, please take a look at service manuals for a modern washer or a 3D HDTV. LG has the assembly lines, the manpower, and the R/D to develop a top class mobile device. And the G2X is easily the best designed phone on the market. I'm sorry so many people have had so many issues, but a fully working G2X is miles ahead of anything offered by HTC or Samsung.
Some of you act as if LG has never made mobile phones, yet they've made some of the best and some of the most innovative devices before the smartphone craze took off.
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and i hope you are hardware wise. it appears its the software that they are having problems with. and although they all continue ot be quite i would bet a company like lg made some changes after this debacle.
lets hope.

BarryH_GEG said:
Who rushed them?
And how did that work out for them?
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Worked great, the got a lot of press for being the first dual core, which is why they rushed.
The sales have been so strong that they ran out of the phones. Negative press is pretty much on this site and similar, which probably reaches about 5% max of the buyers.
They released with 2.2 which gives most a strong belief that 2.3 will solve a ton of issues whether or not I have experienced them.
The G2x will always be part of the against other phones, as part of the benchmarks, where as the Sensation will drop off.
So did it work, I think so.
Looking forward to 2.3....if it introduces problems I will be very upset.

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Who cares about 2.2 what about 2.3?

Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?

i don't think there will be official 2.3 android...

Samsung is notorious for not supporting updates. They'd rather sell new hardware than update what's out already for free. You're lucky you're getting a 2.2 update even if it is taking forever to release, 2.3 is going to be a stretch though.

Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.

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Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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Woot, never thought of that, since it will be a Galaxy S variant. That just made me happy to think about

ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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We already know the camera is different... I don't think it will be as easy as i9000 to i897.. but yes there is some hope here . Google to the rescue!!!
Actually OP this is why we are all so excited about Cyanogen - BC it has NO Samsung components you can just upgrade to 2.3 once its released.... once cyanogen is final nobody here will be talking about Samsung anymore
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ghost77 said:
Who cares for official release , no one here is running stock anyhow.
Word on the street is Nexus S is Galaxy S variant and is running Gingerbread, and since Nexus line is googles developer phone , means source of gingerbread will be available .
I expect easy and smooth port to Captivate by local XDA devs.
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It's gonna be quite different. The camera and the soc will be dual core. Could have other hardware different as well.
I wonder how motorola and htc can afford to keep their top phones upgraded and samsung... Doesn't. I mean look at the droid from nov 2009....
I hate to go back to an iPhone next year, but this sucks. Thank god for xda! The devs here should have their own national holiday.

We don't really know anything about its spec just many rumors/fantasy's.
The only thing we do know its a bit curved , possibly a concave display , seen in one of the interview videos.

Corriewf said:
Am I the only one that worries more about 2.3 than 2.2? Samsung is literally the last top of the line phone to get 2.2....ridiculous....Will we see 2.3/3.0? I mean this phone should have came with 2.2 or at latest sept. I really expect samsung to support these phones through July 2011. Does anyone else? What's your expectations?
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Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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mac208x said:
Just a correction, x10 is still on 1.6 so wer not that far behind
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X10 is not a top of the line device. It was supposed to be out last feb...by the time it came out, middle of the pack at best.
I would not base any standards on a SE device.

we still have a lot of things to play with...I played with Samsung focus and the position of camera&usb&mic I can say it's definitely the same with captivate...

Very true i hate how SAMSUNG doesn't update their devices. I might just get a nexus one now haha
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The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Dxtra said:
The sad part the Captivate its the only good android phone on at&t. I guess we're stuck with the captivate forever thanks att.
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Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.

Corriewf said:
Motorola is supposed to be bringing a dual core phone to AT&T in feb. That's if you like blur. I'm also not sold on dual core either... I mean hello battery drain and for what positives? The soc in our captivate has yet to be pushed by anything android market can throw at it.
The resale value on this phone is gonna be horrible. I sold my 3GS last month for 300. Think in oct 2011 I can sell this phone for 200? Sucks. If the software support was there, they would wipe the floor with apple.
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No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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The new dual-core suppose to use less power then current single-core , if its true i wouldn't worrie about power.

you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...

fatttire said:
No way. The only reason people are on this forum / using this phone is because this is the only competitive att android. I love android os, but Samsung is so terrible at public relations that nobody will want a phone that never updates and has a broken GPS. You would be lucky to get 200 in 6 months...
Seriously I hope for my sake att doesn't get another good android phone for a while... all the developers will leave this behind
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See that is exactly how Apple keeps winning the war. Software support. It's an easy Eco system to buy into because the hardware is almost always supported for years. Yes closed systems. But the resale value for notebooks, computers, and iPhones is awesome. My wife will easily be able to pay for her next iPhone by selling the iPhone 4, hell we made 100 profit on both our 3GS. I have bought 2 3GS, an iPad, and a MacBook air.
I really love android and I love the hardware samsung puts out. I just wish they could grasp the concept of full customer support. They just come across as shady salesmen that can't wait to push the next big thing.
If I can't sell my captivate for much $$, I certainly won't be buying the next samsung whatever.

DAGr8 said:
you samsung guys are soooo pessmist ,
I come form a motorola phone with a locked bootloader , 2.2 was announce for the end of Q4
just to show there is worst then samsung ...
on a side note this devce can run custom kernel , so as long as source is release for gingerbread who cares even if its only out for htc it will eventually be ported to SGS , as long as there is a need for it it will happen ...as simple as that ...
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Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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Mac11700 said:
Sorry...I came from a cdma HTC Sprint hero...and people have a right to be pessimistic about all of this. I've been down this road with them where 2.2 was promised..but never delivered..Yes..we could root and flash to other roms including Cyanogen's 2.2 CM6....but..the whole point is getting what was promised to begin with..
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The way I see it these companies should make one of the following choices:
1. Sell cellphones with untouched Android. Leave it like wp7 and ios and let google handle software upgrades etc.
2. Have your custom software but support upgrades until hardware is no longer up to par. Maybe make their software downloadable through the market so we just update as needed but can run stock android while waiting.
3. Get out of the cellphone business and just become a hardware manufacture for real cellphone companies that can provide support.
I personally think option 1 is the best.... And most profitable. I mean samsung is stretched pretty thin. They make tvs and washing machines while trying to make cell phones, manufacture chips, and be a software company. Do what you do best and stick with it.

WTF is Samsung doing...is there an upside???

Check out this brief note about the ever elusive Froyo update for our beloved, under performing (OOTB) phone.
http://erictric.com/2011/01/03/sams...froyo-update-for-samsung-galaxy-s-smartphone/
Upside...well, I've speculated before and been wrong...probably am here too, but trying to break my life-long mold of being a total skeptic:
We might just go straight to Gingerbread?????

Even if we get ginger and not froyo this will be the last samsung product i purcase
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I don't really care anymore when the official 2.2 update will come out. I'm happy sticking with custom roms until the Motorola Atrix comes out. Hopefully it will live up to the hype. The Captivate is my first and last Samsung cell phone I'll ever buy.

I too am just waiting for the atrix. I've never bought a phone off contact but will be forced too cause I bought the captivate with my upgrade. Its not that I'm totally unhappy with the captivate, just upset that samsung has don't so little to ensure that their "flagship" phone stays up to date. Its too bad too cause it has such great potential.
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I agree with all of you. I'm fairly pleased with my custom rom too, but feel like it still could be better if devs had source for the cappy.
Also, my first and last Samsung phone. I'm boycotting them altogether. My next phone Sony or Motorola...CES showed off some good stuff. Next flat screen TV Sony prolly, or maybe an LG; def done with Samsung.
Bastards say still testing but steadily releasing new products with Froyo and even GB.
Gonna have to find the money to break my contract with AT&T cause I'm not paying them an upgrade fee.
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We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality.
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So i guess we can expect these delays on future phones too due to complexity/unique functionality? Heheh...
Those phones that samsung will announce next month better have gingerbread from the start, i don't think anyone can rely on samsung to put out an update anymore.

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So i guess we can expect these delays on future phones too due to complexity/unique functionality? Heheh...
Those phones that samsung will announce next month better have gingerbread from the start, i don't think anyone can rely on samsung to put out an update anymore.
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Yeah, that's the killer. The SGS line was supposed to be their Flagship Android line for the US...got tons of people on board only to essentially abandoned us to work on new products to trick people in to buying. They can't get us an update for this line but they can put the OS on new products without any problems. Just look at what the devs on this forum have done with a FW that's not even for our device. If they can do it, then surely the makers of the damn line could. I hope they crash and burn, market share wise. It may take a while but if they continue this BS with other lines and products people are eventually going to say f-off.

My next phone is going to be either Motorola or HTC. In fact, I just replaced my Samsung TV with a LG. I am done with Samsung all together.

Cry some more? Even when they come out with it, it will just be stripped and modded and redistributed on the forums. The custom ones will be better than anything Samsung will put out.

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Cry some more? Even when they come out with it, it will just be stripped and modded and redistributed on the forums. The custom ones will be better than anything Samsung will put out.
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No doubt...I don't care about the ROM they release; just that source code so the talented devs on this forum can unleash it. I will never run another stock ROM on ANY Android device, ever. This forum is the bomb!!!!

Like others above this is my last Samsung phone ever. Sucks I wasted my upgrade for this crap.
I do appreciate the developers on this forum though for the custom roms. Thanks again!
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saint168 said:
My next phone is going to be either Motorola or HTC. In fact, I just replaced my Samsung TV with a LG. I am done with Samsung all together.
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This is the exact same conversation that everyone was having in the motorola forums with the backflip cliq and cliq xt. Htc is the only ones that have a reputation good for upgrading their phones, but moto and samsung have the best hardware (imo). Cant beat the screen on this thing and every moto I own has been indestructable. So now I buy the phone with the best hardware and community support. I have come to love flashing my phone with something different all the time, whether it be roms or themes, so I will never again buy a phone on the day of release. I will always wait untill the devs behind xda have a go at the device. Then at that point I could care less about manufacturer upgrades
Just my two cents... Take it or leave it
And ps. Youll never pry my 2 samsung hdtv's out of my cold dead hands. Best picture youll find in the price range
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Lets face it Samsung makes the best hardware, But everything Support Software Updates Sucks harry monkey ****.
I will never get a samsung android phone.

Samsung has been tweeting the same message since the end of December when they knew they would miss the "End of Year" commitment.
But for all those convinced they are evil, go read the forums and blogs for other phones - all manufacturers miss dates, and many times it is due to carrier involvement. The grass always seems greener elsewhere, but the truth is, the same frustrations exist with all vendors.

Then the choice is clear. Generic non carrier phones.

All you guys high on the Moto Atrix, doesnt Moto lock down the phones so you cant root (easily or at all) ? Every manufacturer has their issues. Im hardly a Samsung fan but Id rather have custom ROM's and Galaxy S seems to allow that without much hassle.

I'm not happy with Samsung by any means, but I also remember waiting for a year for the WinMo update for the HTC Tilt 2 and it came from HTC, not AT$T. It's a tricky balance the relationship these companies have. If a new release borks up a significant number of users it could be a customer service nightmare for both companies with each trying to figure out who gets to fix it. That said, it does seem as though Samsung has moved on and is more focused on selling newer phones than taking care of their existing customer base. That's a bad business decision for any company, especially in an industry where product cycles are so short, customer memories are so long and most marketing is by word of mouth and internet forums.

Can I ask why? I have a captivate, flashed froyo on it and i'm loving it. Is it just Samsung that you don't like or theres something wrong with your phone?

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Can I ask why? I have a captivate, flashed froyo on it and i'm loving it. Is it just Samsung that you don't like or theres something wrong with your phone?
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Because they made a promise (online and in writing) to provide the Froyo update. My dislike also comes from having had 2 Samsung HDTVs that, while having great pictures, developed problems that were poorly handled by Samsung service. And while you may be happy with your modded phone, we shouldn't HAVE to flash a non-OEM ROM just to enjoy things like a working GPS or enhancements that other users in other countries are able to enjoy.

Maybe you don't like Samsung, but I love them. Awesome screen, great performance, good battery, and well I don't use GPS so honestly I don't care (I would use Network GPS before real GPS anyway).
I will most likely buy the 4.5" Infuse 4G, unless they make a 4.5" windows phone 7 (which I doubt, WP7 has horrible phones).

htc=amazing ?...samsung and motorola= FAIL ?

http://phandroid.com/2011/01/13/com...ates-of-all-carriers-manufacturers-in-the-us/
I just wanted to bring to discuss all the bs surrounding these two companies (samsung and motorola) and the owners that purchase their devices. So glad I stuck with the true android gurus HTC!
lol I feel so sorry for you samsung and motorola owners. It obvious these two companies are known for poor customer support, build quality and most important getting updates out to their phones...and yet you guys continue to feed them their money. Why do they continue to invest in these companies that are KNOWN for having slow to no updates and not having good customer support for previous phones? Just look at their track record...
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/08/oh-hai-motorola-wherefore-art-my-updates/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/05/samsung-says-behold-2-not-upgradeable-beyond-android-1-6/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/06/bad-move-for-motorola-t-mobile-and-android-in-general/
You think the you samsung owners would have learned after that whole behold 2 fiasco...but i guess not. Now the vibrant owners have to deal with samsung bs....
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/12/rum...ate-being-purposely-held-due-to-vibrant-plus/
(What sucks most about this above one...my friends ancient mytouch 3g even has froyo, so your telling me the vibrant cant get any froyo love?...lmao samsung you fail.)
And just when you thought the NS owners were going to be that "special" group...lol think again...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/samsung-gt-i9023-hits-fcc-a-new-version-of-the-nexus-s-with-and/
The point that im trying to make is that they need to just stick with HTC. Almost every phone they have put out has been amazing for their time. The original g1, nexus one, evo, incredible, g2, desire, desire HD, mytouch 3g and 4g etc... All of these phones produced by HTC were amazing in their own right and had the customer support of htc to back them. Even if updates were "slow" ( and HTC updates are no where near as slow samsung and motorola) HTC would always keep their customers in loop about what was happening with their phones.
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Motorola updates their major line of products quickly. The Droid received the 2.2 update last year, the X received it months of being released, and the Droid 2 shipped with 2.2! It was one of the first phones to be shipped with 2.2! I can see their approach on some of their phones, like the Backflip, or the Cliq. Those weren't really made to be serious android phones, more for texting, facebooking, twittering tweens. Their Droid phones are very well built, as is the i9 and the Defy. The Devour is decent build quality too. The original Droid and the X have almost as much a whole following as the G1 did even. The software aside from the original Droid sucks. Motoblur is utter crap. But if there is an issue with the device, Motorola is always quick to fix it and keep support for their phones. I talk to my buddy at Verizon, and even though the Droid is EOL, Motorola still supports it. If HTC is so amazing, then why do people have complains on build quality and deathgrip on some of their phones? Why are people complaining on how poorly made the HD7 is? Sure, I'll agree that I'd prefer HTC over Samsung or Motorola anyday, but they aren't as great as you make them out to be. Touch pro 2? No hardware support? Hero getting 2.1 late? Legend getting 2.2 late? Aria still not completely 2.2 everywhere? HD2 buttons going out? Evo light leaks? Response issue with the Evo and the Incredible? HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE battery life with 4g enabled on the Evo? Don't get me wrong, I love my Evo. HTC offers great support for their phones, but like every other company out there they have their faults.

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Motorola updates their major line of products quickly. The Droid received the 2.2 update last year, the X received it months of being released, and the Droid 2 shipped with 2.2! It was one of the first phones to be shipped with 2.2! I can see their approach on some of their phones, like the Backflip, or the Cliq. Those weren't really made to be serious android phones, more for texting, facebooking, twittering tweens. Their Droid phones are very well built, as is the i9 and the Defy. The Devour is decent build quality too. The original Droid and the X have almost as much a whole following as the G1 did even. The software aside from the original Droid sucks. Motoblur is utter crap. But if there is an issue with the device, Motorola is always quick to fix it and keep support for their phones. I talk to my buddy at Verizon, and even though the Droid is EOL, Motorola still supports it. If HTC is so amazing, then why do people have complains on build quality and deathgrip on some of their phones? Why are people complaining on how poorly made the HD7 is? Sure, I'll agree that I'd prefer HTC over Samsung or Motorola anyday, but they aren't as great as you make them out to be. Touch pro 2? No hardware support? Hero getting 2.1 late? Legend getting 2.2 late? Aria still not completely 2.2 everywhere? HD2 buttons going out? Evo light leaks? Response issue with the Evo and the Incredible? HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE battery life with 4g enabled on the Evo? Don't get me wrong, I love my Evo. HTC offers great support for their phones, but like every other company out there they have their faults.
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Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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You have insulted & disrespected every single Motorola and Samsung owner here and YOU have the balls to ask if he's serious?
I've never read so much fan boy drivel in all my years here. Yeah, HTC is perfect. Pssst.

Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
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It would be nice if you didn't put words in my mouth. Sad, but true. HTC did the same with the Hero. Promised 2.0, didn't deliver. Finally put out 2.1 for it, had massive dialer lag issues. All of them do it. Samsung was suppose to have 2.2 for every Galaxy S device out before 2010 ended but hasn't, Sony is keeping the X10 on 2.1(FOR GOD KNOWS WHY!!! A SNAPDRAGON PHONE ON 2.1 STILL!!!!!!), LG is just kind of sitting there in the back launching mid range devices that make people happy, Motorola had update issues with the Cliq, and HTC may deliver their updates mostly at a good time, but they're not always perfect. Evo, lag fix, etc etc.
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
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Close connection? None of them do! They tell you when the update is going to be(or in Samsungs case, suppose to be) released. There is no close connection with the consumer and the manufacturer. Their support lines are terrible, they excuse their issues with their phones saying that other companies have the same issues. Like I said, they're nice, but everyone has their faults. As far as Motoblur goes, it was the first device to use Motoblur. You don't see that slow UI on every Motorola device do you? Droid didn't use it, and the 2 and the X both use a much better variant(Though still annoying). You only see it on their considerably lower end phones. You should also take a look at my signature. There's a good reason why I don't go for Samsung products, the Moment and the Epic. The Moment was so bad in so many levels, a CDMA phone launched with 1.5?! Despite suppose to launch with 1.6 that actually supports CDMA?! A Half ass 2.1 update that uses libs and file systems from 1.5?! Terrible network issues where the network locked up on my 3 times a day, even though I've replaced the phone 3 times?! Just to get it to work, I had to root it?! I shouldn't have to root my phone for it to do basic things like call out! It's illegal for any mobile phone to not to be able to call out all at! Activated or not! And then expect me to upgrade to the "upgraded model", when the upgraded model has a lower resolution that most apps don't support, or a slower data connection? The Epic, no 2.2 update. Enough said. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about despite having 2 duds. Also, I've sold the phones enough to know what people want. I've sold the Cliq and the XT to people, about 70% of them came back not happy with it. When I worked at Radioshack, I easily recommended people would go the HTC route. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't disrespect me, I haven't disrespected you yet so there's no reason to get all hot and bothered now.
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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The Cliq XT was made horrible to begin with like the Cliq was. Motorola has supported the X as well, and still is. Let me ask you this, why since the release of the Cliq has people been complaining about it, and have terrible sales for it? But then the Droid which was released around the same time, people gave great reviews for? Flagship phone for blur? It was the first low end phone from Motorola, as it was suppose to be! No that doesn't excuse Motorola of terrible updates and support, but the device has always had issues and was never made to be a serious android phone. Proof of this, the Droid was the first phone to launch with Android 2.0. What was the Cliq? 1.5, 1.6? What crappy low end chip was it running? MSM7201A, Arm11? What did the Droid launch with? TI Arm Cortex a8?
You're taking what I'm saying out of proportion. I'm not saying that Samsung, Motorola are great, nor are they on the same level as HTC. But HTC is not as great as you think they are. What you've posted is a very biased post, ranting on and on on how Motorola and Samsung are bad, trolling them basically, and you don't expect someone to argue it? I can understand you like HTC, but you've gotta admit they have their issues too, which you didn't even post about! I'd post this on my Evo right now, but just from texting today and searching the web for 10-15 minutes my battery is already dead! When I had my Dads Droid X for awhile, I could go a full day on it and not need to charge it until I fell asleep.
Also, the Moment did not support hardware opengl. Software only.

As you can tell, Motorola updates only Verizon phones. Samsung updates their phones... eventually. HTC is the best in terms of upgrading and I did hear that the myTouch Slide is getting froyo.

That's because their high end phones are on Verizon. The Milestone is the rare occasion in this case.

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That's because their high end phones are on Verizon. The Milestone is the rare occasion in this case.
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I heard that was similar to the Droid.
HTC does have more experience in the smartphone market (for the most part, they only release smartphones) so maybe that explains why they can update quickly.

Exact same except for the GSM radio. Now why Motorola has not committed to updated Milestone, nobody knows. They've updated their other Milestone lineup, and even just released the Milestone 2.

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You have insulted & disrespected every single Motorola and Samsung owner here and YOU have the balls to ask if he's serious?
I've never read so much fan boy drivel in all my years here. Yeah, HTC is perfect. Pssst.
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Lol compared to the other two..yes they are . I'm guessing you didn't read my response about me being a previous motorola owner and learning my lesson. I bough the phone under the impression I would be receiving good customer service and timely update. But guess what...I didn't, and I learned my lesson. Look at the links, read my comments fully before you comment troll.
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It would be nice if you didn't put words in my mouth. Sad, but true. HTC did the same with the Hero. Promised 2.0, didn't deliver. Finally put out 2.1 for it, had massive dialer lag issues. All of them do it. Samsung was suppose to have 2.2 for every Galaxy S device out before 2010 ended but hasn't, Sony is keeping the X10 on 2.1(FOR GOD KNOWS WHY!!! A SNAPDRAGON PHONE ON 2.1 STILL!!!!!!), LG is just kind of sitting there in the back launching mid range devices that make people happy, Motorola had update issues with the Cliq, and HTC may deliver their updates mostly at a good time, but they're not always perfect. Evo, lag fix, etc etc.
Close connection? None of them do! They tell you when the update is going to be(or in Samsungs case, suppose to be) released. There is no close connection with the consumer and the manufacturer. Their support lines are terrible, they excuse their issues with their phones saying that other companies have the same issues. Like I said, they're nice, but everyone has their faults. As far as Motoblur goes, it was the first device to use Motoblur. You don't see that slow UI on every Motorola device do you? Droid didn't use it, and the 2 and the X both use a much better variant(Though still annoying). You only see it on their considerably lower end phones. You should also take a look at my signature. There's a good reason why I don't go for Samsung products, the Moment and the Epic. The Moment was so bad in so many levels, a CDMA phone launched with 1.5?! Despite suppose to launch with 1.6 that actually supports CDMA?! A Half ass 2.1 update that uses libs and file systems from 1.5?! Terrible network issues where the network locked up on my 3 times a day, even though I've replaced the phone 3 times?! Just to get it to work, I had to root it?! I shouldn't have to root my phone for it to do basic things like call out! It's illegal for any mobile phone to not to be able to call out all at! Activated or not! And then expect me to upgrade to the "upgraded model", when the upgraded model has a lower resolution that most apps don't support, or a slower data connection? The Epic, no 2.2 update. Enough said. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about despite having 2 duds. Also, I've sold the phones enough to know what people want. I've sold the Cliq and the XT to people, about 70% of them came back not happy with it. When I worked at Radioshack, I easily recommended people would go the HTC route. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't disrespect me, I haven't disrespected you yet so there's no reason to get all hot and bothered now.
The Cliq XT was made horrible to begin with like the Cliq was. Motorola has supported the X as well, and still is. Let me ask you this, why since the release of the Cliq has people been complaining about it, and have terrible sales for it? But then the Droid which was released around the same time, people gave great reviews for? Flagship phone for blur? It was the first low end phone from Motorola, as it was suppose to be! No that doesn't excuse Motorola of terrible updates and support, but the device has always had issues and was never made to be a serious android phone. Proof of this, the Droid was the first phone to launch with Android 2.0. What was the Cliq? 1.5, 1.6? What crappy low end chip was it running? MSM7201A, Arm11? What did the Droid launch with? TI Arm Cortex a8?
You're taking what I'm saying out of proportion. I'm not saying that Samsung, Motorola are great, nor are they on the same level as HTC. But HTC is not as great as you think they are. What you've posted is a very biased post, ranting on and on on how Motorola and Samsung are bad, trolling them basically, and you don't expect someone to argue it? I can understand you like HTC, but you've gotta admit they have their issues too, which you didn't even post about! I'd post this on my Evo right now, but just from texting today and searching the web for 10-15 minutes my battery is already dead! When I had my Dads Droid X for awhile, I could go a full day on it and not need to charge it until I fell asleep.
Also, the Moment did not support hardware opengl. Software only.
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Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
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Eh, I love HTC and in many ways they do excel but I gotta say they are lacking in the display department. Fortunately I own 14 phones (11 of which are HTC) so any time I want to watch a movie I pull out the focus. Other times, eh, venue pro or HD7. HD2 if I ever feel like tweaking stuff again.

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Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
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You have nothing to argue with. While you have posted bad and negative reviews towards Samsung and Motorola, there's as much positive feedback with them. Same goes with HTC. They are not perfect, none of them are. As far as credible sources go, simple.
HTC Evo issues,
http://blog.wirelessground.com/htc-evo-issues/
HTC Hero dialer lag(Even on these forums)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733882
If you read the comments on this one, you'll notice people are still getting the dialer lag.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/24/htc-hero-for-sprint-receives-a-maintenance-update/
Touch pro Touch Pro 2 lack of hardware drivers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502947
HD2 deathgrip(Can be so bad that they recommend you to use 2g)
http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/
HD7 issue
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/11/29/htc-hd7-seeing-death-grip-issues/
HD7 bad build issue
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
For the Cliq, there is nothing I can post a link to. Look at the specs of the Cliq, compare it to the Droid which was released only in a weeks difference. There's the proof for your "flagship" motoblur phone.
I'm just gonna link to a google result, since there are tons of positive reviews listed everywhere for Galaxy S.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sams...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Motorola Droid
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/
Motorola Droid X
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/motorola-droid-x-review/
Here are the original plans for 2.0 for the Moment and the Hero. Funny how the Hero never had 2.0 on it...
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/12...roid-eclair-to-their-hero-moment-smartphones/
Too lazy to sort through all of this, but these are the dates of HTC Hero original release date plans for 2.0, then pushed to 2.1, then delayed over and over.
http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=HTC+Hero&invocationType=wl-gadget
It keeps annoying me how you're putting words in my mouth over and over, and treating people here with disrespect. That does not make you look smarter, or better than anyone else, so I suggest that you stop acting as such. I'll say it again, as I've said it about two or three times now, I'm not saying HTC is terrible. But they have their faults. They are not as perfect as you think they are. Arguing with you is getting nowhere, you're just going to go back into your own little world where you believe HTC is the best thing since sliced bread, but last time I checked the phone that's scoring about the highest in performance are Galaxy S phones believe it or not. Motorola has a line up coming, and you still need to watch out for the real underdog the Defy. And countless links? Last time I checked, 6 is not countless.
Oh, did you see that the GSM Hero finally got it's 2.1 update in June in Taiwan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but HTC is from Taiwan, and they were one of the last to get an update that they should have had first? Hmmm....
I'm gonna keep adding on the more I think of stuff, like this!
Why don't you ask the Aria users all around the world who has 2.2, and who doesn't?! Or ask why HTC still uses the 65nm Snapdragon in the Windows 7 phones when the 45nm version is available and has a better gpu core at most likely the same or less cost thanks to that nm difference.
Hey! Ask all the G2 users if they've had a hinge break yet! Hey, ask the g1 users about the broken or loose slider!
Oh here's a good one, why don't you ask the My Touch 3g users why they're getting an official Froyo update so late, and why even though the Mytouch and the Hero are the same, why the Hero isn't getting any official Froyo update? Wait a minute! Wasn't the Mytouch released before the Hero...Pretty sure the Magic was...Funny how that works, right? Just like Samsung, and Motorola! Wait, although it came late and it still performs bad the Cliq did get a 2.1 update...Let's not forget the Legends 15 minutes in the spot light, and how it was easily pushed out of the way for something better! Support went bad for the Legend too, another late release for Froyo and HTC. Seems HTC is just like Motorola then, you know where they update their higher end and higher selling devices first?

Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.

Motoblur is a rare garbage. I believe only no-lifers want to know "what their friends up to on every social network." This is the only reason I still try not to buy the defy. Why the hell a guy, who does sport stuff and would like a durable phone, needs effin facebook 24/7? Wrong target Motorola.
PS: Didn't Motorola said that they would discontinue Blur? I guess not..
Back to HTC. I own myTouch 3G and love it. It is trully a killer phone of it's time. Now there is no real killer phone from HTC. Quantity took over quality. They make ten new models every few month... I believe they should slow down and desing a real phone, that would kick all asses.
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Imo, they all suck and are only getting worse. And the real disrespect, is the disrespect shown by manufacturers towards their customers.
Sure, sure... if we squeak loud enough they'll throw us an update bone every now and again. (Provided you've bought the phone in their lineup they deem worthy to update). Of course that comes after they've got the next money-making piece of hardware ready to roll.

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You have nothing to argue with. While you have posted bad and negative reviews towards Samsung and Motorola, there's as much positive feedback with them. Same goes with HTC. They are not perfect, none of them are. As far as credible sources go, simple.
HTC Evo issues,
http://blog.wirelessground.com/htc-evo-issues/
HTC Hero dialer lag(Even on these forums)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733882
If you read the comments on this one, you'll notice people are still getting the dialer lag.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/24/htc-hero-for-sprint-receives-a-maintenance-update/
Touch pro Touch Pro 2 lack of hardware drivers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502947
HD2 deathgrip(Can be so bad that they recommend you to use 2g)
http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/
HD7 issue
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/11/29/htc-hd7-seeing-death-grip-issues/
HD7 bad build issue
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
For the Cliq, there is nothing I can post a link to. Look at the specs of the Cliq, compare it to the Droid which was released only in a weeks difference. There's the proof for your "flagship" motoblur phone.
I'm just gonna link to a google result, since there are tons of positive reviews listed everywhere for Galaxy S.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sams...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Motorola Droid
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/
Motorola Droid X
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/motorola-droid-x-review/
Here are the original plans for 2.0 for the Moment and the Hero. Funny how the Hero never had 2.0 on it...
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/12...roid-eclair-to-their-hero-moment-smartphones/
Too lazy to sort through all of this, but these are the dates of HTC Hero original release date plans for 2.0, then pushed to 2.1, then delayed over and over.
http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=HTC+Hero&invocationType=wl-gadget
It keeps annoying me how you're putting words in my mouth over and over, and treating people here with disrespect. That does not make you look smarter, or better than anyone else, so I suggest that you stop acting as such. I'll say it again, as I've said it about two or three times now, I'm not saying HTC is terrible. But they have their faults. They are not as perfect as you think they are. Arguing with you is getting nowhere, you're just going to go back into your own little world where you believe HTC is the best thing since sliced bread, but last time I checked the phone that's scoring about the highest in performance are Galaxy S phones believe it or not. Motorola has a line up coming, and you still need to watch out for the real underdog the Defy. And countless links? Last time I checked, 6 is not countless.
Oh, did you see that the GSM Hero finally got it's 2.1 update in June in Taiwan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but HTC is from Taiwan, and they were one of the last to get an update that they should have had first? Hmmm....
I'm gonna keep adding on the more I think of stuff, like this!
Why don't you ask the Aria users all around the world who has 2.2, and who doesn't?! Or ask why HTC still uses the 65nm Snapdragon in the Windows 7 phones when the 45nm version is available and has a better gpu core at most likely the same or less cost thanks to that nm difference.
Hey! Ask all the G2 users if they've had a hinge break yet! Hey, ask the g1 users about the broken or loose slider!
Oh here's a good one, why don't you ask the My Touch 3g users why they're getting an official Froyo update so late, and why even though the Mytouch and the Hero are the same, why the Hero isn't getting any official Froyo update? Wait a minute! Wasn't the Mytouch released before the Hero...Pretty sure the Magic was...Funny how that works, right? Just like Samsung, and Motorola! Wait, although it came late and it still performs bad the Cliq did get a 2.1 update...Let's not forget the Legends 15 minutes in the spot light, and how it was easily pushed out of the way for something better! Support went bad for the Legend too, another late release for Froyo and HTC. Seems HTC is just like Motorola then, you know where they update their higher end and higher selling devices first?
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Ok first things first...STOP POSTING ABOUT HARDWARE ISSUES. Yes all phones have hardware issues which can be fixed/ handled by sending your phone to be replaces. This thread is about the updates and customer support. I dont know why you cant read through my entire posts before writing. Your making yourself look ridiculous. No one is disputing the fact that their are hardware issues with ALL phones, what i disputing is the lack of support and customer compliance with samsung and motorola vs HTC. LOOK AT THE FIRST ARTICLE IN MY ORIGINAL POST BY PHANDROID.
Lol the thing that bothers me most about this post is that you continue to say im disrespecting people. Im an original Motorola cliq owner. I only said that i felt sorry for current and recently past Samsung and Motorola customer customers due to their companies horrible customer service and updates. I BACKED UP those remarks by posting recent articles from CREDIBLE WEBSITES, NOT JUST FORUMS OF A COUPLE ANGRY PEOPLE, that took the time out to RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS A HUGE MAJORITY of people dealing with these issues.
Lol and btw, the mytouch and hero users you mention were at least kept up to date with when their updates would be coming. Although the UPDATES DID TAKE A WHILE, HTC MADE SURE TO AT LEAST tell them the reason why and when they could expect them. Due to the lack of hardware support for such an old device. Btw i mentioned this in my original post post which shows me instead of being a calm objective reader you got a flamed head and skipped over that. Samsung and Motorola are notorious for ACTUALLY SETTING DATES and then ON THAT DATE SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE AN UNDEFINED DELAY. I remember waiting about 4 months after for my update and then on the day of getting a message on a forum admin that "oh hey sorry guys there is no update, not sure when its coming but they are working on it". No reason as to why they did not have the update ready or even if they were actually working on it. That my friends what i call horrible customer relations and customer support.
Oh and how can i relate this with Samsung...My girlfriend had a Behold 2...enough said.
Oh and while your at it, why dont we just stick to android devices please, i actually have no idea how htc handles their other platforms. I am only relating android device from the 3 manufacturers.

hungry81 said:
Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.
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Thank you troll, can you bring your negative remarks to another thread please?

No one outside tech sites care about updates.

vetvito said:
No one outside tech sites care about updates.
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lol this is very true unfortunately.

Scream @ HTC on their FB page for an update!

This was a good idea (however fruitless it may turn out to be) that I stole from the Galaxy 7.7 forum.
Go to https://www.facebook.com/htcusa and simply post this:
Dear HTC,
Update the MyTouch 4G Slide to Android 4.0+!!!
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Honestly I don't think anyone would care whether it was ICS or Jelly Bean at this point, but the phone desperately needs an update to the stock ROM. Would be nice if we could get at least ICS with Sense 4!

Not gonna work
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way too late at this point

There might (just might) be an update coming from HTC at some point. One of the gov't agencies (can't remember if it was FTC or FCC) ruled against HTC last month in a major case. The result is that HTC will have to update a LOT of older phones in order to comply with the ruling. There were rumors that HTC had been working on an ICS update for our phone but ceased work due to budget issues. So, to comply with the gov't ruling, they might resume work on what they've done and release the update. Or, they could just release some lame-ass patch just to comply. But, regardless, there will probably be some sort of update coming from HTC/T-Mobile for this phone in the coming months.
EDIT: It was the FTC, here is the ruling: http://ftc.gov/opa/2013/02/htc.shtm

WangChung81 said:
This was a good idea (however fruitless it may turn out to be) that I stole from the Galaxy 7.7 forum.
Go to https://www.facebook.com/htcusa and simply post this:
Honestly I don't think anyone would care whether it was ICS or Jelly Bean at this point, but the phone desperately needs an update to the stock ROM. Would be nice if we could get at least ICS with Sense 4!
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Done; and answer.....from HTC USA
HTC USA Sorry, .... The MyTouch 4g Slide will not be upgraded to ICS.
maybe more post on their side will change something...((
P.S I'm very fu. angry because there is nothing good / new with slide keyb, and, despite the fact that this equipment has a good performance, they do not want to update it, but it does not give anything with slide. ahhhh!!!!!

HTC deserve all the spam for not updating this device. Its all their fault because they didn't market it as a high end device which it is. And also failed to release an international version. The DS is a great device and still deserves more from HTC

We ALL understand your frustrations. But I'm afraid this flagship has already sailed. This is really a Sensation with a slideout KB and look what they've done for it. But really the only thing that big companies like HTC pay any attention to is marketshare. You know....their own bottom line.
Do what you will but when the time comes, I'm taking my business elsewhere. When they finally figure out that people are sick of being taken in on a worthy $500 phone by sending it out with a big hole in the hull & they all know it's sinking they MAY rethink their business model. But until that happens I'd love to see them have to name the next "biggie" they put out the Titanic.
Maybe they will see then that THEY weren't sunk by an iceberg but by a little ole Ice Cream Sandwich. KWIM?

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We ALL understand your frustrations. But I'm afraid this flagship has already sailed. This is really a Sensation with a slideout KB and look what they've done for it. But really the only thing that big companies like HTC pay any attention to is marketshare. You know....their own bottom line.
Do what you will but when the time comes, I'm taking my business elsewhere. When they finally figure out that people are sick of being taken in on a worthy $500 phone by sending it out with a big hole in the hull & they all know it's sinking they MAY rethink their business model. But until that happens I'd love to see them have to name the next "biggie" they put out the Titanic.
Maybe they will see then that THEY weren't sunk by an iceberg but by a little ole Ice Cream Sandwich. KWIM?
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I'm definitely NOT buying HTC anymore. They suckered me in twice, on this phone and a Flyer tablet. Never again. And I think a lot of people feel the same way, HTC is sinking, their sales are in the toilet, nobody is buying their stuff.

!!11111
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I'm definitely NOT buying HTC anymore. They suckered me in twice, on this phone and a Flyer tablet. Never again. And I think a lot of people feel the same way, HTC is sinking, their sales are in the toilet, nobody is buying their stuff.
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I'm definitely in agreement here, and it seems that a lot of us share the same feelings ever since HTC and Tmo decided to pretend our phone never happened. I only found out about the phone because it was an insurance replacement for my g2, which apparently wasn't available at all for replacement (refurb or not). I hadn't heard anything about the MT4GS, and the phone had released about a week prior to my swap, which goes to show you how Tmo dropped the ball on marketing. I will say that it was a marked improvement over the g2 and that i've enjoyed my time with it for the most part. However, even bone stock I would get random soft reboots and other quirks that generally went away once I rooted and rom'd.
It wound up being my third HTC phone in a row, and probably my last for some time because of the way we got treated on this device. Not to mention their current lineup (minus DNA) is pretty meh. A friend has a One X that I've had some time on, which is a pretty cool phone mind you, but not that impressive. I guess I'm going to take business to Samsung for the next one, as they irk me the least out of the android OEMs these days. I'd jump on an N4, but the whole cloud thing doesn't go over too well when you don't have consistent 4g or wifi all the time. Unfortunately, New England's geography wreaks havoc on signal in a lot of places and reliance on cloud storage just isn't ideal. Locally stored files ftw.
At the time, the official excuse for our device not getting updated was something about user experience and not working out to expectations, but as we all know that is a load of bull, since the devs here have pulled out the stops in keeping the device up to date. Granted not everything works 100% on these roms, without any source we're doing pretty darn good in this corner and there are no complaints from me about their hard work. Members of this community (and beyond) have attempted to get HTC to budge to no avail... about a year ago. There's no hope at this point of any official anything. And that sucks.
As an aside, has anyone else noticed how visually similar our mysense and sense 4 are? I definitely remember seeing the sense 4 launcher when it first dropped on a few phones and thinking that it looked a lot like our stock one.
I tried not to wall of text but I can't help it. Sorry guys and gals.

I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.

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I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.
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With only chatter about what the next Nexus "might" be I'll stick with my Nexus 4. There is not.... Let me say that again while I still can...there is not a faster device out there. Yeah of course some have huge screens and huge 6k mah batteries but they still can't keep up.
I don't keep much on my phone so I rock the 8GB with zero issues.
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I've been looking at the Sony phones. For many years, I never considered anything Sony (after their rootkit fiasco), but that was a long time ago and I do believe their corporate policies are not as draconian. For their Android phones, they're putting out some really nice hardware and they are UPDATING them regularly. Even some of their older stuff is getting updates to JB. And their build quality is markedly better than Samsung. The Nexus phones are probably my primary interest because I'm just tired of hoping for updates. But, I'll probably wait until the next Nexus as I'm just not blown over by the Nexus 4.
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I'm looking at Sony phones too. Pretty sure I'm going to get my gf and I the Z/ZL (she's a klutz, so she needs the waterproofing :silly
If the leaks of the SG4 are real, it's just a huge honkin phone/mini Note 3. I don't WANT a giant screen held to my face, and when I want to watch a movie or do some power browsing I have a TABLET for that.

My LG Rant

LG.... just never again... after this...
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What really sucks is not being able to have everything in one ROM. I'm not saying it's the devs fault, but it just sucks. If I want a full working phone I have to dual boot and I just don't want to have to have my messages on a different ROM. If someone calls you and you don't know they did how are you to respond?
And on the other end using a Jellybean/ICS ROM which I currently am, you can't record or use HWA, and it's buggy. If you want full functionality, you have to use Gingerbread which sucks because it is very outdated and 1/3 of my apps won't even be able to be installed on my phone if I use it. Not only that but the rest won't have a much functionality.
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It really sucks having a G2x.. it had great potential and was just abandoned.. LG should legit give refunds to everyone who bought them because people with the G2x are sacrificing functionality or using the best Android version. Anyone else agree? (I know it would never happen, but still.. I have to use this phone for another 7+ months before I get an upgrade in which I'll grab the iPhone 5S and stop with the fragmentation)

Yeah i hear ya man. LG abondonded this device. I wish Google was in charge of the updates.
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Just get a Nexus. We all wish LG had done somethings differently, (Release the ICS update for the P999), but we can't do anything now. I wouldn't ever by another phone made and supported by LG, however if it is a Nexus and has software updates issues by Google themselves, then I would. This Nexus 4 is amazing and is one of, if not, the best phone you can buy currently for it's price.

Android phones were designed for people who love tweeking, if you want a phone you never have to modify or have to worry about updates or fixes, get an iphone, its very noob friendly, even my mom can use her iphone with great success.

You're right.
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Android phones were designed for people who love tweeking, if you want a phone you never have to modify or have to worry about updates or fixes, get an iphone, its very noob friendly, even my mom can use her iphone with great success.
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The problem is when manufacturer's pack in a whole bunch of completely proprietary hardware into a phone, then they stop developing for it and releasing drivers. Couple that with jerkwad carriers that force locked bootloaders and other restrictions, and it makes the whole situation stink. I have an LG Spectrum 2, it is a very, very good phone. But I'll be stuck on ICS until the end of time because the carrier, and the manufacturer, have no consideration for support after the sale.
These devices are computers that can make phone calls, I've yet to see an actual computer whose software couldn't be modified or replaced.
At least Apple allows every device to upgrade to the latest version (within reason).

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The problem is when manufacturer's pack in a whole bunch of completely proprietary hardware into a phone, then they stop developing for it and releasing drivers. Couple that with jerkwad carriers that force locked bootloaders and other restrictions, and it makes the whole situation stink. I have an LG Spectrum 2, it is a very, very good phone. But I'll be stuck on ICS until the end of time because the carrier, and the manufacturer, have no consideration for support after the sale.
These devices are computers that can make phone calls, I've yet to see an actual computer whose software couldn't be modified or replaced.
At least Apple allows every device to upgrade to the latest version (within reason).
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Apples are built with an entirely different philosophy, when you buy their product you are cradled with software and design support at the expense of having no freedom with the device whatsoever. Android, and essentially linux which is its base, whole purpose in life is customization, especially on the user end, hence why open source support is so huge for android phones. You are right though, jerkwad carriers and proprietary hardware take alot of the fun out of all of it for the expense of profits, thats why I love the fact that google came out with the nexus line of unlocked phones, its basically a jab at all the carriers and their proprietary phones and software saying, we can do whatever we want, because its our right to, we designed it.

Spawne32 said:
Android phones were designed for people who love tweeking, if you want a phone you never have to modify or have to worry about updates or fixes, get an iphone, its very noob friendly, even my mom can use her iphone with great success.
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At this point it seems like android was made for people that will pay top dollar for unfinished products.
Excuse me and other sensible people for wanting a fully working device. My iPhone 2g and 3g both worked and I could still modify them quite a bit. Even my sister's galaxy nexus had big mms problems that Google never fixed.
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At this point it seems like android was made for people that will pay top dollar for unfinished products.
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I can't even argue with this lol

LG is terrible....
I too swore never to buy another LG device and silly me I got a Nexus 4....
I still cling onto my G2X and use it as media device. I have DROID TV and have like over 20gigs of shows I need to watch and finish. Also I connect my phone to my TV and watch it there. Don't use it much as a phone. Mainly because whenever I watch my shows it would interrupt and got very annoying.
I still love my G2X. Right size, great screen, never needed screen protector. Battery is terrible and Nexus 4 is just as bad, I mean could be better but isn't.
But who's to blame. Honestly, if CM10.1 gets calling ability and work I'll come right back to this device. Main reason I don't sell it or dump the phone is because I paid full retail price for it and still refuse to accept the loss. Because thats what this phone has been. A loss. I mean seriously.

vmartinez39 said:
LG is terrible....
I too swore never to buy another LG device and silly me I got a Nexus 4....
I still cling onto my G2X and use it as media device. I have DROID TV and have like over 20gigs of shows I need to watch and finish. Also I connect my phone to my TV and watch it there. Don't use it much as a phone. Mainly because whenever I watch my shows it would interrupt and got very annoying.
I still love my G2X. Right size, great screen, never needed screen protector. Battery is terrible and Nexus 4 is just as bad, I mean could be better but isn't.
But who's to blame. Honestly, if CM10.1 gets calling ability and work I'll come right back to this device. Main reason I don't sell it or dump the phone is because I paid full retail price for it and still refuse to accept the loss. Because thats what this phone has been. A loss. I mean seriously.
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Nexus 4 really that bad? Unlocked and off contract for $350 is a steal in my opinion. That's only $100 more than a used galaxy Nexus.
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Eh, I decided to get the new One from HTC. It just had too much promotion to not get it. I love the G2x, great build quality for sure. I was able to get the One for $99 by switching to Sprint, and I decided to go ahead and send in the ol' G2x to (hopefully) receive the $100 gift card. So, essentially I payed next to nothing for the phone itself, but I will have to eat the cost of cancelling my T-mo account a few months early, but I'll also be able to get a discount on the plan because of corporate discount through work. It was just too enticing not to go for it. I know it's not a Nexus, but I am positive the hardware will be more than capable enough to run several more Android versions in the future. I believe the G2x just won't be able to handle much more than jelly bean. I think it's mostly the lack of ram, but I'm going to remain subscribed to this forum and check back on occasion. If it goes past jelly bean, I won't be surprised if those future versions will be running barebones/ultra slimmed down versions. I also have an old school G1 still, but bricked it trying to get the system to see SD card as usable ram to upgrade. Still wish I could get that thing to work...
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vmartinez39 said:
LG is terrible....
I too swore never to buy another LG device and silly me I got a Nexus 4....
I still cling onto my G2X and use it as media device. I have DROID TV and have like over 20gigs of shows I need to watch and finish. Also I connect my phone to my TV and watch it there. Don't use it much as a phone. Mainly because whenever I watch my shows it would interrupt and got very annoying.
I still love my G2X. Right size, great screen, never needed screen protector. Battery is terrible and Nexus 4 is just as bad, I mean could be better but isn't.
But who's to blame. Honestly, if CM10.1 gets calling ability and work I'll come right back to this device. Main reason I don't sell it or dump the phone is because I paid full retail price for it and still refuse to accept the loss. Because thats what this phone has been. A loss. I mean seriously.
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Everyone that I know that has the nexus absolutely loves it, i havent heard a single bad thing about it.

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Everyone that I know that has the nexus absolutely loves it, i havent heard a single bad thing about it.
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Same here.
I might be picking up a Galaxy Nexus dirt cheap to tide me over till my upgrade.
Although, I really don't have anu bad blood with my G2x.
First smart phone, does everything I need it to do, and I've only ran into a couple games that won't run on my G2x due to being pre-4.0.x OS, and I just play them on my tablet running BakedBean 4.1.2. Still a good phone for me after 15 months. Solid build, I don't care too much it doesn't have ICS/JB, with 512MB total, and after carveout for GPU, sitting at <400MB, the experience of ICS/JB on this device isn't going to be anything stellar over GB as GB didn't have as large as memory usage requirements as ICS/JB.
Just saying, does it really, really matter that much guys?
Not to me anyways.

Yeah, I agree with the most of the people here regarding software updates between iOS and Android and I honestly LOVE android, but the software updates are slow.. if Google could fix up the fragmentation, they would be closer to #1 on my list. The only other complaint is apps in the Google Play but that's not really a big issue. I'm glad at least I wasn't the only one who was having problem with my G2x.
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I have only been introduced to the world of android rooting and Modding for the last month. This is my first smart phone. I got bored of it and found this website. Read about the advantages to rooting and flashing roms for a few weeks and finally did it. I'm more than satisfied with how my device is performing compared to stock. It's faster, better looking, and just plain more fun to use. I would love to see a fully working ics rom though. I love the interface and crisp feel.
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Blaming LG is only partially right. It's primarily from being on a crap AWS carrier like t-mo, wind, etc. The p990 got it's update, no reason p999 wouldn't with just a few tweaks except they didn't even care that much. Anyways, blame is on the carrier. Keep in mind buying your next phone.
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To be completely honest if we get the RIL working on 4.2.2 this phone could easily last me another 7 months
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