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gtablet and google? why google wont fully support this device.

I kinda think now. that this device was over developed for an under developed os platform. think about it, this device has preemo hardware right yet googles apps are half a$$ working and some arent working at all. i think mabe google needs to step up their app development skills a lil then mabe all these new devices will play nice. its been said that apples apps are better quality... i hate apple lol im currently running a moto droid 1 over clocked to 1.2 on pete's bugless beast 2.2 froyo rom and let me add my phone works ten times faster then the galaxy tab this gtablet and the ipad?? how??? i havent a friggin clue. it dont make sense. android is awsome bottom line this device has potential will that potential be wasted?? i hope not for. what do u guys think.

This belongs in General unfortunately.
The true answer to why Google will not support this is that Honeycomb is their OS for tablets. The hardware manufacturers could not wait to release this hardware (to try to get an edge on the competition).
Currently, Google will not support and will not allow Android Market to go onto a device that does not fit certain criteria.
One of these is that the device MUST have a cellular radio.
Since most of these tablets do not, Google cannot and will not allow Android Market on it at this time.
Hope this answers your question.
-h8

h8rift said:
This belongs in General unfortunately.
The true answer to why Google will not support this is that Honeycomb is their OS for tablets. The hardware manufacturers could not wait to release this hardware (to try to get an edge on the competition).
Currently, Google will not support and will not allow Android Market to go onto a device that does not fit certain criteria.
One of these is that the device MUST have a cellular radio.
Since most of these tablets do not, Google cannot and will not allow Android Market on it at this time.
Hope this answers your question.
-h8
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it does thank you. i still think its a conspiracy lol.

Google doesn't support wifi only devices yet. I think with android 2.3 we will see a change with that, and that is when we will get this device to shine. It will take time for the hackers to work everything out. It took weeks/months for pete to get his rom to where it is today, and as great as he is, he had a lot of help from the huge DROID community. The community for this gtab is small but growing, and will get better with time. What isn't working fo you? I am on CM6 and got most everything working for google apps except ones where the hardware is limited like GPS/Phone. I have video conf, email, contacts, calender, gtalk, angry birds, flash, overclocking, n lots more etc...

what are you using to overclock?
i cant get set cpu to work properly

raydog153 said:
Google doesn't support wifi only devices yet. I think with android 2.3 we will see a change with that, and that is when we will get this device to shine. It will take time for the hackers to work everything out. It took weeks/months for pete to get his rom to where it is today, and as great as he is, he had a lot of help from the huge DROID community. The community for this gtab is small but growing, and will get better with time. What isn't working fo you? I am on CM6 and got most everything working for google apps except ones where the hardware is limited like GPS/Phone. I have video conf, email, contacts, calender, gtalk, angry birds, flash, overclocking, n lots more etc...
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i havent purchased it yet. but i want one so bad ive looked at a few of the cheaper tabs and this one looks like its got the best quality for its buck. the galaxy tab is over priced and seems to be less snappy, well from the videos ive seen of it in action. im not a 100% TECH SAVOY but ive rooted my droid and updated its build prop. in order to root this device u used the update.zip format or do i need adb shell to do it.

sitnlow4life said:
what are you using to overclock?
i cant get set cpu to work properly
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i dont use setcpu bc depending on some of the kernels you use in(in my case im using slayhers 1.2 ghz kernel) has and interactive governor built into the kernel.. and im using the compcache.zip . i use terminal emulator to execute the scripts to enable compache. go to peter alfono's main site and u will find all the detailed help you need. good luck man..

sitnlow4life said:
what are you using to overclock?
i cant get set cpu to work properly
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I'm using overclock widget, I saw it mentioned in another thread...some say it woks some don't, not sure if I notice a difference...I'm just trying to get this stable before I can even think about benchmarks.

howtodoo? said:
in order to root this device u used the update.zip format or do i need adb shell to do it.
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I used Z4root and rooted my Gtablet with one click. I didn't need an update.zip or adb shell. So don't let the rooting hold you back because if someone like me (no programing or hacking expericence) can do it you surely can.

mmracing said:
I used Z4root and rooted my Gtablet with one click. I didn't need an update.zip or adb shell. So don't let the rooting hold you back because if someone like me (no programing or hacking expericence) can do it you surely can.
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i didnt know z4root worked on the gtab i saw it used to root the galaxy tab.. thanks man i think im gonna give it a shot. ill post back if i get one for sure.

What does prime 1.6 offer over stock 3.1 root?

I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

same too me, I tried it over 3.1, what I experienced:
- browser little bit slower
- more SOD
- nothing real extra feature

I have to use a custom rom for a couple of reasons:
1) My stock rom is the Chinese verison, which means no google apps or google sync. Without google, it's just not android.
2) I need the Chinese input methods. I would normally switch to the USA stock rom, but it doesn't have Chinese input. Prime does/did, Chinese handwriting input is MIA, but I'll sure it will be taken care of.
I choose to use a custom rom for these reasons:
3) I don't like excess crap on my computer. I can modify a custom rom before I install it, mostly just removing apps that I will never use.
4) Root! I love freedom on my computer. Root lets me do things. All kinds of neat things: block ads, increase speed on sd card, delete/modify system apps and directories, and lots more. Look into it, it is fun.
5) Overclock. Prime doesn't have it, but you can add a kernal that does. I currently don't overclock, but as the Tegra 2 ages, i will overclock it. I'm specifically waiting for a rom with a high GPU overclock. There is one out there that currently does have a minor GPU overclock.
6) Clockwork Recovery. Backup, restore, switch roms, clear cache and more.
Why I choose Prime:
7) Dock battery meter in the taskbar.
8) Reboot/recovery options for power button.
After looking through the current selection of roms available, I choose Prime. But I keep my eye on revolver and Clemsyn.

bobloadmire said:
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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How do you not? OP clearly states that there are optimizations made to increase load times etc etc.

No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

bobloadmire said:
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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Last time I flashed a Tom he punched me in the face...
One reason I haven't seen mentioned would also be themes, but it is still early in the game, there are few options. Custom Roms are generally just optimized better, though the Transformer doesn't have nearly the bloat some Android devices have making them almost essential...
Honestly once you learn, it is such an easy process that flashing different roms/kernels and trying them is the only real way to know what is best for you and your usage.

bobloadmire said:
No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
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Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.

zephiK said:
Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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The reason im asking is so i dont miss out on anything and obviously im looking for empiracle data to help me understand any performance benefits.
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zephiK said:
Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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Wow...
He asked what was the difference between stock and Prime, and you went off in another direction. He wasn't asking to be "begged" into using Prime nor asking for others to convince him into using Prime at all.
Anyways, I know Prime has a few optimizations, but I don't know if it brings any substantial changes. There's a link to download the power/recovery mod, so I suppose it could be applied to any ROM including rooted stock.

One reason I would like to root my tf101 is to be able to use a USB dongle. But I am waiting for 3.2 to come out before since I just got my tf101.
The stock version is pretty good actually. No major complaints so far.

I hav ebeen using Prime for a while but ASUS stock version is definitely quite good. Even more so for lack of garbageware that so plagues the mobile phones...

Yea I guess I'm in the same camp. I haven't seen a compelling reason to move to a different ROM versus rooted stock. There are too many posts that seem to lead users to believe that a different ROM is the same as root. Remember you can root the stock ROM. The OP is asking what user experience enhancements make Prime (or any other ROM) compelling.

If you read changelog second post it will tell you exactly what's new in the ROM. Many changes are only useful for experienced linux users, but many others are useful for everyone. The nice thing about roms is that most of the things and tweaks are already done for you. If you don't need/care about those changes then there is no point for you to reflash.

Which BXX mod did you get ?
I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?

Manufacturer's (ASUS included) have to be very careful about their ROM releases so they are thoroughly tested and ready to release to the general public. Consequently they are slower to release updates (i.e. NVidia updates, etc.). Custom ROMs generally consolidate the best and latest releases from various manufacturer's into the most cuttest edge versions you can possibly be running. As you'll notice this can also mean more lock-ups and weird issues since you are getting just-available changes. So if you prefer max stability, stick with the manufacturer's updates. For many of us part of the fun of owning an Android tablet is the rapid pace that custom ROMs are put out and the interesting/quirky things they bring us.

marcelol said:
I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?
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I got a B60 TF and a B60 dock from my local OD this past weekend (Denver, CO).

Prime Vs Stock
Reason why I flashed the Prime Rom. With Prime and a netflix patch I'm able to stream netflix movie. Also now Adhoc connections work. I can Wifi tehther my TF101 with my Driod using the adhoc connection. I can now easily reboot into recovery prior to this going into recovery was a bit tricky. This was not possible even with HC 3.2. Also I don't have to worry about losing root becuase of an OTA update.

I am actually a flashaholic when it comes to flashing roms on my phone. But so far, I haven't come across any compelling reasons to flash custom roms on my transformer. The need to flash roms on phones offer benefits that are non existant on a tablet. For instance, one major reason to flash custom roms on phones is to enable free wifi tethering, which obviously does not apply here. Another reason, as stated above is to remove bloatware. The transformer doesn't really have that. And yet another reason is to be able to update to the latest Android version before the official release. Correct me if i'm wrong but when I looked, the 3.2 update came out officially before any transformer custom roms had it. There are a couple more minor customizations options that I'm not seeing yet being offered by the transformer roms. I am fully aware of the speed enhancements and optimizations that custom roms offer, but considering the custom roms for the transformer are still relatively new (no disrespect or discredit to the devs for their hard work), and considering that even still now, the rooting and flashing methods keep getting outdated and changed, it's too early in this ballgame for me to flash.

I've been lurking the forums here now for a month and finally pulled the trigger, my TF get's here monday.
I have yet to see any reason to flash a custom rom or even root at this point. I'll be rooting it just to say it's rooted and just for a couple of root only programs I have. The custom roms don't really bring anything to the table that this tablet doesn't have. it has the newest version of android with all the bells and whistles. I'm not going to be overclocking. I understand netflix is big for some people, but, from what I have read flashing the fix breaks some video playback. I'm ok to wait for the official netflix patch. A 32gb MicroSD and the 16gb on board space is plenty to store movies on for travel etc. I also have a server I run at home that will stream my entire movie,. TV, and music collections directly to me.
Having the best of the best and the most up to date version of android does have it's perks

[Q] Should I install a ROM on my Transformer?

Hey. I'm pretty new here, but I've been lurking for some time now. I picked up a Transformer at BB a week ago as a replacement to my iPad 2, and I'm very impressed. I have seen many ROMs available for this device, especially Revolver. I was wondering if it is worth rooting my TF and installing Revolver. Is it really that much of a difference? The only lag I experience is when I head to the stock browser, but on Dolphin for Pad I'm fine. I know there are probably hundreds of topics like this, but I haven't found any. I just wondered whether the advantages of Revolver are worth the root. Thanks!
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Congrats i just baught one for myself late july as a B-Day present im loving it as well.
in regards to your question, it just depends. Keep in mind that Google has yet to relase the source code for Honeycomb so most roms are based on Gingerbread. Not that its a bad thing, but if your like me, i really do like the stock honeycomb interface.
Ofcoarse you could always just change roms and see how you like it, i myself am just going to wait for ICS in december/early2012

I've bought my Transformer a few days ago, and the first thing I've done is to root and flash a ROM on it.
My personal preference was to flash the latest PRIME build (which is HC3.2, the same as Revolver), as it seems like the dev seems to keep it up-to-date (even daily updates sometimes), and replies to most (if not all) issues people have... He also seems to work very hard by himself to get everything working and happy for everyone. I also have it over-clocked to 1.5GHz, and I've seen nothing but faster speeds on my Transformer and haven't noticed a big drop in battery life (I still have my Transformeron, after 30 hours of use).
The only downside is that you won't be able to receive any OTAs (Over The Air) updates straight from ASUS, but for something like PRIME, we get updates almost straight away as well through the dev that's developing it.
Before you think of rooting/romming, I suggest having a look at where you put the charger in your Transformer. There should be a black sticker that has the serial number. If it starts with B60, you're good to go. If it's B70 or above, you might want to research a bit more before trying to flash/rom (as there were some problems with the newer batch of Transformers with flashing).
But like anything, you can always keep a Titanium Backup of your apps/data and try different ROMs. (I'm thinking of trying out Revolver in a few days).
If you don't like it, you can always go back to stock anyway. Nothing big. It took me 10 minutes to flash from stock with NVFlash, so it's not really a hard process either.

if you don't know whether you should root or not, then you don't really need to root. you don't buying a hammer, then go looking for things to hammer. same with rooting.
that being said, the most generic reasons to root is 1) so you can do system backups, 2) overclocking, 3) use it as a hammer.
there are many specific reasons to root, but just as i can't list all the purposes of a hammer, i can't list all the reasons you would want to root.
it's hammer time.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

finalhit said:
if you don't know whether you should root or not, then you don't really need to root. you don't buying a hammer, then go looking for things to hammer. same with rooting.
that being said, the most generic reasons to root is 1) so you can do system backups, 2) overclocking, 3) use it as a hammer.
there are many specific reasons to root, but just as i can't list all the purposes of a hammer, i can't list all the reasons you would want to root.
it's hammer time.
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He/she was talking about romming, not rooting. But sure, same sort of thing applies. It's really individual preferences.
Really, if you're absolutely happy with STOCK, then I suggest leaving it like that. It's sort of how there's a stock model of a car, and a tuned/modified model of the same car. One will get you from A to B faster (and maybe in more style some may argue), but both will get you to your destination in the end.

Thanks. I am eligible for the root, but I think I'll stay stock because I am not presently having any problems. All I can say is I am loving my Transformer!
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Why do people not root?

What's the reason for people not rooting? There have been 1 click installers since July. I still see people posting like it's some wild thing only 1337 h4x0rs do when my grandma rooted her phone.
Or people weighing the benefits and debating whether or not to do it. It takes 15 minutes to unroot it back to stock(if you have a good sd card) so what's all the fuss about it? I've yet to see a brick made by anything other than physical damage. maybe a bad BIOS flash or firmware update would do it to computer parts but the tablets are pretty hard to brick.
inb4 "enjoying stock experience". buy an ipad for that.

pretty easy to brick actually, if I didn't have nvflash access to my device I would have bricked my device half a dozen times by now. I've also bricked my Galaxy Tab 7" twice now.

Also, starting with some B70s, there was no one click for quite some time, until Razorclaw

Personally, I haven't had much of a reason to root mine. I've had a rooted G1 and currently use a rooted Nexus S.. only because I knew I could make it better by flashing a custom ROM. The Transformer runs well enough for me out of the box.

I like my devices rooted, but I can understand if people don't want to root. There are plenty of threads that start out "Help, I tried to root, but now I'm screwed!" It's certainly not rocket science, but there is a risk and I can understand if some people don't want to take that risk with their tablet, time, or money.
I would guess that some people don't want to follow every thread here on XDA to figure out if Nachoroot will root the .21 firmware that was rooted with Razorclaw on the .19 firmware, but borked by the OTA. I'm not even sure what the answer to that is?
Lastly, maybe people actually use their tablets as tablets?? I thought they were portable Android! playgrounds where the trick to the puzzle was to root the OTA before you're forced to flash it. I enjoy my tablet, but the IT guy at work asks me why I need to root it and I can't come up with a great reason why other than I can.

hkt03 said:
Personally, I haven't had much of a reason to root mine. I've had a rooted G1 and currently use a rooted Nexus S.. only because I knew I could make it better by flashing a custom ROM. The Transformer runs well enough for me out of the box.
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I agree. My phone is rooted and running a rom pretty much because out of the box, it was down right horrible to use (and on most occasions I love having the latest and the greatest) .
With my Transformer, speed has never been an issue. Asus has done a great job with Honeycomb for the TF101. It never feels slow or laggy.
I can say, however, that if there was a sure-fire way to recover from a brick on SBKv2 devices (nvflash), I would experiment a little more with custom roms.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using XDA App

But for voodoo control plus I could live without root. Don't get me wrong I love all the goodies it brings like titanium backup pro and so on; but essentially because no manufacturer to date has properly implemented in hardware and software the hardware audio capabilities of any android device, I always buy a wolfson based voodoo supported device and seek root.
(Please no one make any claims about audio particularly in that HTC beats software based bollocks they are ripping people off with!).
The question of why Tf101 users aren't rooting is different. Look at the ilk or breeding of TF101 users in xda as opposed (for arguments sake) to those nexus s users here. By comparison the TF101 users are greener than the grass in Ireland.
But I believe it comes from this :
The vast majority of mobile phone owners will use their phones and be done with it.
Tablet owners on the other hand, no matter how uber noob will be more likely to congregate to gather advice and solutions as if we are honest - it ain't no iPad.
This in mind I fully understand the amount of totally over excited kids it seems are hanging around salivating awaiting the official ICS.
I use my tf101 for a multitude of things. Only really my love of music needs root. I'm down with the situation, all is cool.
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I don't think I could live without AdFree.

Why not to root? I don't understand either!
I daily use the rooted part of my transformer:
* Anyconnect to get on the vpn network
* Hidebar to hide the bottom systembar
* chroot to get to a Debian image on it
* modified hosts to limit ads

ppirate said:
Why not to root? I don't understand either!
I daily use the rooted part of my transformer:
* Anyconnect to get on the vpn network
* Hidebar to hide the bottom systembar
* chroot to get to a Debian image on it
* modified hosts to limit ads
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+1 i agree
weekly basis for me
script manager / always trying scripts n tweaks
root explorer /system etc always playing round
titanium backup (update my backup daily)
ADW.ex as a system app and dolphin browser hd that required root right
upd8r, vodoo, systune, ttorrent, my masses of emulators
logcats , tools, etc
I use root everyday and love it !!
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ppirate said:
Why not to root? I don't understand either!
I daily use the rooted part of my transformer:
* Anyconnect to get on the vpn network
* Hidebar to hide the bottom systembar
* chroot to get to a Debian image on it
* modified hosts to limit ads
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Not everyone needs VPN.
Not everyone needs to hide the bottom systembar.
Not everione wants a Debian image in it
Not everyone is that bothered with the few ads they might bump into.
Really, the kind of people who think that rooting the device is a MUST seem just like the bunch of Android fanboys that have to scream at people buying Apple products. "It's better! Don't use that!"
People have to realize that some times there's just no particular reason for certain things, and rooting is one of them. There's just no particular reason for some people.
Did I rooted my device? Yes.
Have I been using it for many purposes requiring root? Not quite, even though I will.
The reason why I required root was for certain things like using a custom ROM that would allow me to, coupled with the dock, use a 3G dongle and being able to have a SSH tunnel to make secure use of certain open networks.
But beyond that I don't have that much use to it.
Some people simply don't need to "play around", or access parts of their device that they don't need if they aren't rooted at all.
The TF is a functional device.
Android is a customizable and open OS.
Some people are plain happy with it, and root wouldn't give them anything more.

I'm glad to find this thread. I currently use a rooted hd2 and I have a tf101 and I have been unable to decide weather to root or not.
What are the benefits of rooting this device?
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it's the same benefit as you get with rooting your phone... wifikill is a great app. overclocking is a huge feature. I'm at 1.7GHz. stock is 1GHz.
root lets me have control of everything. I uninstalled gmail because it is useless to me, and instead I use the ICS email app.

kylew1212 said:
I'm glad to find this thread. I currently use a rooted hd2 and I have a tf101 and I have been unable to decide weather to root or not.
What are the benefits of rooting this device?
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read first page and thats just a few of the benefits
but i agree its a choice that everyone should have and not all people like root
but for the people that are debating it thats enough for me to pipe in and say do it!!
Sent from my tf Enigmatic V2 beta 1.65Ghz Panda.test cust kernel settings

Some people either just don't know about rooting and what it provides, while some people know the benefits but don't wish to seek them just because they don't want to take a risk, even a slim one.

All my phones are rooted but I have no desire to root my TF.
I don't have to remove anything off I don't use. If I didn't know it was required to own an Android device you had to root it. It must be something wrong with me.

Wolfson DAC with Voodoo Control Plus app
wildestpixel said:
But for voodoo control plus I could live without root. Don't get me wrong I love all the goodies it brings like titanium backup pro and so on; but essentially because no manufacturer to date has properly implemented in hardware and software the hardware audio capabilities of any android device, I always buy a wolfson based voodoo supported device and seek root.
(Please no one make any claims about audio particularly in that HTC beats software based bollocks they are ripping people off with!).
The question of why Tf101 users aren't rooting is different. Look at the ilk or breeding of TF101 users in xda as opposed (for arguments sake) to those nexus s users here. By comparison the TF101 users are greener than the grass in Ireland.
But I believe it comes from this :
The vast majority of mobile phone owners will use their phones and be done with it.
Tablet owners on the other hand, no matter how uber noob will be more likely to congregate to gather advice and solutions as if we are honest - it ain't no iPad.
This in mind I fully understand the amount of totally over excited kids it seems are hanging around salivating awaiting the official ICS.
I use my tf101 for a multitude of things. Only really my love of music needs root. I'm down with the situation, all is cool.
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium
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Voodoo Control Plus on both my Asus TF101 and Nexus S is a tremendous enhancement that I couldn't replace. You have to really hear it once to fully understand. This is also the first app I have bought for the android OS.
For other tools (backups, logs, network tools...), root is really usefull, but for an audiophile, it's a necessity (the only alternative is another device in the pocket, as the Cowon J3 I still use, or a portable headphone amp).

All my devices have been rooted out of choice. I could just as easily be unrooted and still be happy. Current best reason I have is Titanium Backup; ).
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk

Well, everything I own is rooted, but my new Galaxy Nexus lost ability to write to internal memory after two weeks. I'm sure it was an electronic failure, but since it was rooted you can't get it returned under warranty and you couldn't unroot it cause you couldn't write to the memory. Without the insurance that would been a $750 problem.
Sent from my old Incredible while awaiting replacement Galaxy Nexus

ive always rooted just because i like to tinker and like the results that can be had. i too must have voodoo its just night and day differences. i was stuck stock on the tf101 for a couple months waiting for razorclaw and didnt have too many complaints other than a little laggy and a few fc's here and there. then once rooted running a custom rom oc'ed and tweaked, there was just no going back . stoch honeycomb is fine but modded honeycomb is just slick. i am very thoughtful of bricking and dont go flashing every new thing out there cuz there isnt a way to unbrick my sbkv2 device, but i couldnt go back to stock it would be completely a downgrade.
of course this is all preference and opinion.

Was it a mistake changing to Android?

Hello developers!
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms, but I assure u that i read carefully all the related subject n still I couldn't find answers :/
I've been always an Apple person and I am really satisfied with the ease of use and performance, somehow whileI I was looking for a tablet to update my old iPad a friend of mine was able to convince me that I should get an Android, and I end up buying Asus Tf700, of course after hours n hours of reading reviews n stuff and on the paper it's waaaaaaaay better than any other tablet, even the new iPad!! But still, on the PAPER
I really disappointed with the performance and the terrible lag even with the simplest task (like scrolling down a website or pinch zoom in/out) and it keeps crashing and freezing for no reason
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android Iam really confused
Root, rom,flash,kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
I want my device to work like how they claim it should (ASUS ppl) .. very smooth with no lag or crashes .. but on the other hand i don't want to lose any of it's features (camera, GPS) .. should I update to jb? Should I stay with ICS?
N how??
Sorry for the long post!:cyclops:

dr.hawk said:
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms
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Yes, especially when someone does not even read the forum rules, the moderator's sticky thread and posts a question in "Development" instead of "Q&A".
dr.hawk said:
I've been always an Apple person ...
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android Iam really confused
Root, rom,flash,kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
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Yes, you made a mistake changing to Android. It's not (yet) ready for end users, especially the TF700. Return it as long as you can and buy the new iPad.

If you are just looking for a device without lags and stutters then go for iOS.
But if you want/have to do things iOS can't do then go for Android and search for solutions for lag or live with it.
Android is sure the best smartphone os (Widgets, Launchers ,Tasker, Swype,...) but on tablets... I really don't know.
I love my Transformer but I mostly use it for surfing and gaming so maybe the iPad would have been the better choice.
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Or don't by Asus... Get a Nexus 7 or 10.That's the route he should've taken. Asus just released a bad device. To sit here and say Android isn't ready for end users is bologna..
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Yes, especially when someone does not even read the forum rules, the moderator's sticky thread and posts a question in "Development" instead of "Q&A".
Yes, you made a mistake changing to Android. It's not (yet) ready for end users, especially the TF700. Return it as long as you can and buy the new iPad.
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Thank u mr.police officer, my bad
I am not going to return it, I just want it to work probably!

floyd0815 said:
If you are just looking for a device without lags and stutters then go for iOS.
But if you want/have to do things iOS can't do then go for Android and search for solutions for lag or live with it.
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Exactly, I want solution .. there are too many rome and stuff which says choose what suits u the most, but I have no idea what are they!!
I read in the forum that flashing and unlocking JB = losing camera and GPS functions .. what should I do? *Note I am still runnig ICS

dasunsrule32 said:
Or don't by Asus... Get a Nexus 7 or 10.That's the route he should've taken. Asus just released a bad device. To sit here and say Android isn't ready for end users is bologna..
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The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though

I feel your pain. When I first moved over to an Android device, I was also confronted with similar issues. Yes, Android can be intimidating. However, once you get a handle of it, I assure you, you won't stop flashing different ROMs on a regular basis. First calm down and read through the following threads to get started:
[TOOL] TF700T ADB Tool [v4] flash recovery and more
[ROM][01/04/13]Baked Black Bean 6[JB 4.1.2]

dr.hawk said:
Thank u mr.police officer, my bad
I am not going to return it, I just want it to work probably!
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Look, to be honest, I think everyone has been frightened in the beginning with unlocking and rooting, but in the end the tf700 is a really easy device to learn it with.
There are some guides in the general section (where you should have posted this thread ) and this section here.
As far as performance, I can tell you now that there is no Rom that works better than CleanRom In heritance.
It is *very* battery friendly, is really performant (forget about iPad, after that Rom you'll have the advantages of Android sealed in a super speedy packaging)
However, if you really feel you don't want to unlock the device yet, you should indeed at least update the tablet to the latest firmware, since it has some improvements to it. (I don't know how much the improvement is on the stock rom, but Clean Rom Inheritance is based on stock and it works like a charm).
By the way, there are no custom roms for the tf700 that give up on the gps and camera features. All developers here are real pros, so don't worry
And last but not least; if you were to update to the latest firmware and feel it's too laggy, (many people have said so), you should consider unlocking your device to put CleanRom on it. It's basically stock, but much smoother, faster and has no bloatware
Good luck making your iOS friends Jelly (pun intended) of your tf700. I know I have
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dr.hawk said:
The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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Have you bought the keyboard dock? And I still think the tf700 is better of the two, if only because of its looks and dock

I know you are taking about tablets but the title says android...
I own a 4s and iPad 3, back in June I bought the s3 and I was really impressed with what it can do but its lag and performance made me question it the same as you, having spent £540 on a buggy feeling device.
I finally got jelly bean on it, jelly bean combined with disabling some crappy Samsung bloat made the s3 faster and smoother than any apple device out there, my iPad and iPhone both feel laggy in comparison now.
I have never routed or flagged a rom though, completely stock.
Before long you will love jelly bean
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dr.hawk said:
Exactly, I want solution .. there are too many rome and stuff which says choose what suits u the most, but I have no idea what are they!!
I read in the forum that flashing and unlocking JB = losing camera and GPS functions .. what should I do? *Note I am still runnig ICS
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I just read this post so I'll quickly reply
By rooting and unlocking you will not compromise any of the camera qualities. It still works just the way it's supposed to on CleanRom (the rom I use) and I am pretty sure the developer of CM10.1 has it running too.
This device may not be what you expect it to be out of the box, but let me tell you.. The devs we have for the tf700 are all very talented and manage to get some impressive performance squeezed out of this device without resulting in battery drain.
You really can't go wrong chosing either CM10.1 or CRomI (as we call CleanRom Inheritance)
As for the options you can choose while installing CRomI, they are mainly
- the kernel: do you want to keep everything close to stock, resulting in better battery life, and no overclocking? Or do you want a tweaked kernel (Clemsyn) which means even better performance, without taking too much of a hit on battery life. The latter is overclocked. If you still don't know what to choose: I have recently gone back to stock since it's just a tad friendlier for the battery and CRomI is smooth enough as it is
- Apps: select which apps you want preinstalled in your rom and which you don't want (little tip: always make sure the Play Store is checked: it's a vital app to install other apps with and it's a pain in the @$$ to install it from somewhere else if you want to keep it up to date
This method of building your personal rom on the spot is handy to deselect the bloatware you don't use (eg. Asus screensaver) and select the 'bloat' you like (eg. Supernote)
- Tweaks: I usually select the all, because the make the device even smoother and faster
By the way: in misc apps you'll have an app called Titanium Backup: that app keeps your data while switching Roms and is a nice way of making sure you'll keep your progress in games
I should say though: even though I've never tried Cm10.1, I am sure it's a great rom and I don't want to force you or anyone else to only look at Cromi, since CM10.1 has its own advantages
Just have a look for yourself and if you have any further questions, you now know where to post them (either Q&A for actual questions or general for remarks and findings).
The development section is used solely by developers of Roms, mods and kernels to share their creations with the world

dr.hawk said:
The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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Dr. Hawk, I know that reading these replies still hard for you as far as "what next" and "how". I'm sure that after you done all the steps below, you will find out the grass does look greener on the other side (IOS vs Android). With Android you could do more...a lot more compared to ipad. You just need to take ONE step at a time and within a few days you should have a smile on your face. There are plenty of people here ready to help noob(beginner) like youseft. Also I would like to mention that unlocking your device will void waranty, but in my opinion, if you don't do it, you will not happy with your device and eventually you're not going to use it, so it useless anyway. Let us know and please post update here so we can proceed accordingly. Here are the steps:
1. Unlock your device (download Asus unlock tool app and run it. This needed in order to install custom rom/kernel)
2. Flash custom recovery (there are 2 to choose from TWRP and CWM. I recommend TWRP for noob, it just easier with nice big User interface)
3. Use TWRP or CWM to flash your favorite custom rom (If you want trouble free, full stock features, CleanRom is the one to use)
That's all my friend. While you're performing these steps you're going to feel good about yourself and rewarding. When you are ready to go, just post here and we will walk you through, step by step. Once everything is done let us know if you do smile at the end and "no regred" that you picked Android and tf700. Cheers!!!!!!

I'm a flasher since I got my first android device and I have to say I don't want to have an iOS device because of it's performance! If you have a good ROM (and on my TF300T GPU/CPU OC a bit) you will get the same system performance and way more cusomization options - only problem for me is that a friend from my class has an iPad and uses it for school - there I just see the disadvantage of Android Tablets - except system apps you just don't have many apps for productive work that are optimized for tablets - including Dropbox(!!) that are way better optimized on iOS...
But I think in 1 or maybe 2 years it will be like with phones that Open Source (Android and maybe then also Ubuntu if they take the step for tabs too) will be sold more than iPads and with this the apps will also get optimized better :good:
atm I can just cry because of a friend made an own app for iOS to edit his scaeed books etc. and I can just open them with a non-optimized Adobe PDF Reader
so if you want now Custom ROM too, have a look at this guide and follow the steps unlock your bootloader, Flash recovery (I recommend TWRP!) and then go to the ROM you want (I recommend stock based: Clean ROM or AOSP based which means more customization options: Baked Blackbean) and install it with the installation instructions there - if you then still have questions ask in Q&A section because here it is only development section

dr.hawk said:
Hello developers!
First i know how much u hate it when someone just post a new thread without checking the fourms, but I assure u that i read carefully all the related subject n still I couldn't find answers :/
I've been always an Apple person and I am really satisfied with the ease of use and performance, somehow whileI I was looking for a tablet to update my old iPad a friend of mine was able to convince me that I should get an Android, and I end up buying Asus Tf700, of course after hours n hours of reading reviews n stuff and on the paper it's waaaaaaaay better than any other tablet, even the new iPad!! But still, on the PAPER
I really disappointed with the performance and the terrible lag even with the simplest task (like scrolling down a website or pinch zoom in/out) and it keeps crashing and freezing for no reason
Everyone here recommends rooting and unlocking, and since this is my first Android I am really confused
Root, rom, flash, kernel, unlock, OTA .. bla bla ...too much complicated info and procedures for a noob!!
I want my device to work like how they claim it should (ASUS ppl) .. very smooth with no lag or crashes .. but on the other hand i don't want to lose any of it's features (camera, GPS) .. should I update to jb? Should I stay with ICS?
N how??
Sorry for the long post!:cyclops:
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What I take from your displeasure is the recurring "Android is open source for the customizer and this I don't want."
So like the previous comments I would vote for a return to iOS.
iDevices are very well designed and usable.
So if your user experience has been less than pleasing with Android I wouldn't stick with it.

iOS devices are made for those who would like ease of use and having everything done automatically for them, and don't want to bother with things like settings and customisation and freedom of decision. If you're used to having everything done for you, stick with it. Changing to a system that requires you to manually do things for yourself when you don't want to is not going to make you very happy.
Apple is Use, don't Think.
Android is Think, don't just Use.
If you're used to the ease and smoothness of iOS, and were perfectly happy with the system, you're not going to like Android. Because Android isn't meant as an end-user OS.
Now, regarding flashing. I'm not going to try it on my tablet at all until the warranty has passed. The store I bought it from is not exactly know for its excellent customer service, and it updated to .30 before I heard about backing it up.
Is there a solution? Yes, get an iPad. The TF700 has some serious I/O issues which cause lag, but even if you're using the best of the best Android tab (whichever one that may be) you're still going to experience crashes, simply because of the customisation options. That's why iOS 'never' (ahem, hand me one, it'll crash.) crashes, you can't customized so there's no conflicts.
Don't get me wrong, I have an iPod 5th gen and love it (if Apple's warranty wasn't so horrendous...), and as a designer I appreciate the marketing and design behind iOS, but as a user I want to make my own choices, and I absolutely detest anything that goes automatic or makes its decisions for me.

That's not strictly true with newer devices.
Both my iPad 3 and iPhone get more app crashes and ui/keyboard lags than my stock int galaxy s3, which performs faster and smoother with everything except the dialer. Since using the s3the iOS screen doesn't seem as smooth as it used to, very slightly choppy moving between 2 app pages.
I use Nova launcher and it is perfectly smooth, fast and since the upgrades to jb 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 not a single crash or FCC, though on ICS there were many.
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dr.hawk said:
The harm has been done my friend .. but u r right, Nexus 10 would have been a better choice though
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+1 on nexus 10. I have both and even with custom rom the tf700 is not as smooth as the n10. No tweaking necessary. How come you can't return it?
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adelancker said:
Have you bought the keyboard dock? And I still think the tf700 is better of the two, if only because of its looks and dock
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first, thank u man! I decided to unlock and root my device!
I haven't bought the dock, maybe next step

These are really useful information, I decided to unlock, update to JB and to root .. :highfive:
I am going to start tonight, right after gym!
special thanks to:
-angel*
buhohitr
adelancker
cheers!! :highfive:

dr.hawk said:
These are really useful information, I decided to unlock, update to JB and to root .. :highfive:
I am going to start tonight, right after gym!
special thanks to:
-angel*
buhohitr
adelancker
cheers!! :highfive:
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Thats great news!
Don't hesitate to ask explanation when you don't get a step in the walktrhoughs.
They are usually written by people who are experienced using Android for people who are somewhat experienced as well So for a complete newcomer to the Android platform, I can imagine you'll ask yourself some quesitons later