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[Q] Pros to rooting right now?

Now, usually I'm a proponent of rooting anything and everything immediately, but I'm not so sure about this yet.
Without HC source, we have a very limited ROM set, and I don't really see much appeal to the ones available. I haven't seen any custom kernels for things like overclocking/undervolting, etc. either.
I know there are a few apps that require root, not really sure if the few are worth it at the moment. All the backup apps are kind of unnecessary if I won't be flashing ROMs anyway.
At this time, with official updates rolling out every few weeks, I'm just wondering if it's actually worth it to root at this point. Are there any major benefits to doing so right now? Killer apps, undervolt kernels, etc.?

MadSage said:
Now, usually I'm a proponent of rooting anything and everything immediately, but I'm not so sure about this yet.
Without HC source, we have a very limited ROM set, and I don't really see much appeal to the ones available. I haven't seen any custom kernels for things like overclocking/undervolting, etc. either.
I know there are a few apps that require root, not really sure if the few are worth it at the moment. All the backup apps are kind of unnecessary if I won't be flashing ROMs anyway.
At this time, with official updates rolling out every few weeks, I'm just wondering if it's actually worth it to root at this point. Are there any major benefits to doing so right now? Killer apps, undervolt kernels, etc.?
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well for 1. this shouldnt be posted in the dev forum, it should be in the general forum.
2. There is currently one OC kernel in the works, there are some roms already(Prime was faster than stock and IMO I know benchmark scores dont make a difference but stock gave me about 2500 in quadrant, prime gave me 3500), There's titanium backup, ad blocking, you can change boot animations, access the system and move things around, change config files, hmmm lets see what else.. other apps that require root which many are VERY useful. One I have is a reboot widget, it's a 1x1 button widget that you press and it reboots the transformer. That's VERY useful and requires root.. There are many positives to rooting besides just flashing custom roms.. Hope that helps

Also you need root if you want to run Ubuntu. I know that made me root asap
Sorry for any typos. I have fat fingers, a 4" screen, a small child and a dictionary gone wild...

garnmeister said:
Also you need root if you want to run Ubuntu. I know that made me root asap
Sorry for any typos. I have fat fingers, a 4" screen, a small child and a dictionary gone wild...
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How is Ubuntu does it work with the dock
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk

Dunno, can't get scandinavian dock yet
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To me, the immediate benefit of rooting is Titanium backup.

p0k3y said:
To me, the immediate benefit of rooting is Titanium backup.
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I agree, that's the immediate thing. Especially if you use another android device. I can restore my progress from angry birds on my phone to the tablet Also, you can uninstall some garbage. I have no idea why layar is a system app. Seems strange to have an augmented reality app on a wifi tablet. Also, I got rid of that press reader app. Obviously asus was paid to put it on their since it's about selling subscriptions to news sources.
The next thing is the ability to block ads by installing AdFree from the market.
Eventually I hope to see some custom kernels that will speed up this thing. (We need to get toastcfh a transformer.)
With Ice Cream not coming until Q4, that will likely mean we won't get any source until then either. However, that doesn't mean that we won't be able to see a few cool things come out of some rom developers.

garnmeister said:
Also you need root if you want to run Ubuntu. I know that made me root asap
Sorry for any typos. I have fat fingers, a 4" screen, a small child and a dictionary gone wild...
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Did I miss the thread on how to get Ubuntu installed? If so, can someone please kindly point me in the right direction? I got a US TF with stock rom and newest fota if that helps.

Look here:
http://androlinux.com/android-ubuntu-development/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-android
Or here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=987740
I am running Ubuntu Maverick ATM, but am going to try the other over the weekend I think
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Home Server / Mediacenter core i3
Asus eee Pad Transformer
Samsung Galaxy S
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Lets not forget
Setcpu - set underclock profiles for stuff like low battery or screen off. My battery time is through the roof now.

Do any of the custom ROMs allow for one to hide the menu bar?

I'm in the same boat. Til a dope custom rom comes out or a nice OC kernel, i'm staying stock.

[Q] Kyocera Echo ROM Development?

Have there been any rumors or murmurs of any development on any ROMs or kernels for the Echo?

Jamin13 said:
Have there been any rumors or murmurs of any development on any ROMs or kernels for the Echo?
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Not a one that I am aware of. I sent a message to the XDA Admins regarding an Echo section, but nothing has ever come of it.
J

Ahah, thanks.
I guess there's no interest in it. D:
Sent from my M9300 using XDA App

i was surfing google and there is one. its a maybe if it even works since i havent tried it. but according to the site u can update ur froyo 2.2 to 3.1 im not sure how well it is,but id like a root that can help keep battery life last longer and the most updated software that android has to offer.

bmanscap28 said:
i was surfing google and there is one. its a maybe if it even works since i havent tried it. but according to the site u can update ur froyo 2.2 to 3.1 im not sure how well it is,but id like a root that can help keep battery life last longer and the most updated software that android has to offer.
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If you update to 3.1 can you still root it?

Just_Josh said:
If you update to 3.1 can you still root it?
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I'm pretty sure those are fake considering 3.1 is for tablets.
Sent from my Kyocera Echo.

^^^^3.1 Ports to android phones have been acheived, it doesnt have to be on a tablet always

mahgiaz47 said:
^^^^3.1 Ports to android phones have been acheived, it doesnt have to be on a tablet always
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Yeah, that's true.
I still don't trust it too much considering there isn't a Clockwork Recovery Mod or any method of flashing those to the phone AFAIK.

Rooting Yes! It's Great! But lack of backup util is scary
Yes, my Echo has been rooted for four months using Z4root.
I haven't tried to find an alternate ROM because, frankly, the stock one is so much better than anything HTC ever offered me.
My main interest in rooting the Echo was to get rid of all the dumb Sprint apps and, most important, extend battery life by using power saving apps only available with rotted phones My favorites being SetCPU and and Timeout3G.
Also, if you like to blacklist callers without ever hearing half or three quarters of a ringtone before the call if blocked, Root Call Blocker is the best blocker in the Market, but as the name implies it is for rooted phones only.
Anyway, all these things work great and I can get through an entire day (most of the time) on one recharge ... even more impressive I can leave the phone off the recharger at night and start the next day having lost only three to five percent of the charge ... as opposed to 40-50 percent before rooting.
The problem -- and its a very real problem -- is that there is no way that I have found to do a Nandroid or other complete system/recovery backup for the Echo.
When I open ROM Manager Premium it tells me there is a new version of Clockword MOD available, but, of course, it's lying ... at least in regard to the Echo.
If I try to use the backup current rom option in ROM Manager it reboots and freezes on the green symbol with the yield sign and need to be hard rebooted by pulling the battery.
Now, to make matters worse, Sprint has started downloading auto firmware updates that may or may not brick rooted phones. Since my phone is now working perfectly the way I want it to I wouldn't install the updates anyway if I could avoid it but avoiding it is the issue ... there is a toggle to turn off checking for and auto downloading Android updates but none for eliminating auto firmware updates.
So two questions?
1. Has any figured out how to backup the Echo?
2. Does anyone know how to disable auto system updates?
Thanks

In answer to your 2nd question, if you are rooted, install File Expert, hit menu button, settings, file explorer settings and check root explorer.
exit file expert (should not have an icon in the status bar)
open file expert, hit back 2 times, goto system, hit menu button, more, mount, mount as read write.
goto etc, security, long press on otacerts.zip, file operations, rename, otacerts.zip.bak.
it will tell you about the update and download, but wont install because it cant validate.
if someone doesnt post a reply to your 1st question by tomorrow, I will tell you how to do that too, but right now I am going to bed...this post may not make a lot of sense, but hopefully you can figure it out, if not, let me know and I will clean up tomorrow.

Sorry it took me so long to thank you
I've been overseas and out of touch ... your solution fir disabling auto system updates is great ... thank you.
Do you know if anyone has figured out how to do a Nandroid type backup on the Echo yet?
For the record, I love this phone more every day ... which is quite the reverse from my experience with various HTC and Samsung smart phones.
Yes, the release Echo is a bit prototypy, but there will, hopefully, be an Echo 2 with a smaller band between the screens, etc.
What most people will never know is how incredibly misleading most of the reviews were. Not exactly untrue, but misleading.
For example, almost everyone panned the Echo's camera for being slow, producing under-saturated colors, only having a 2-1 zoom ratio, etc.
Truth is there is nothing wrong with the Echo's camera, hardware-wise it is the best phone camera I have ever used (and I used to shoot pictures for a living,) far better than a couple of HTC 8mp cameras I've tried.
What is horrible is Kyocera's implementation of the standard Android operating and color control system. It is just awful, even worse than HTC's (Samsung is pretty good with this), which I would have said was impossible.
Download a decent camera app from the Market and the Echo shines. Vignette, my current favorite, virtually eliminates the standard app's focusing and shutter delays, produces rich, sharp color correct images and offers a 10:1 zoom ratio.

ekb606 said:
I've been overseas and out of touch ... your solution fir disabling auto system updates is great ... thank you.
Do you know if anyone has figured out how to do a Nandroid type backup on the Echo yet?
For the record, I love this phone more every day ... which is quite the reverse from my experience with various HTC and Samsung smart phones.
Yes, the release Echo is a bit prototypy, but there will, hopefully, be an Echo 2 with a smaller band between the screens, etc.
What most people will never know is how incredibly misleading most of the reviews were. Not exactly untrue, but misleading.
For example, almost everyone panned the Echo's camera for being slow, producing under-saturated colors, only having a 2-1 zoom ratio, etc.
Truth is there is nothing wrong with the Echo's camera, hardware-wise it is the best phone camera I have ever used (and I used to shoot pictures for a living,) far better than a couple of HTC 8mp cameras I've tried.
What is horrible is Kyocera's implementation of the standard Android operating and color control system. It is just awful, even worse than HTC's (Samsung is pretty good with this), which I would have said was impossible.
Download a decent camera app from the Market and the Echo shines. Vignette, my current favorite, virtually eliminates the standard app's focusing and shutter delays, produces rich, sharp color correct images and offers a 10:1 zoom ratio.
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I don't think it's possible without a custom recovery and there doesn't seem to be much hope with that.
The only way we would get some development on this would primarily be if a dev was given an Echo. All we need is a recovery and then we can move from there.
Sent from my Kyocera Echo.

It just seems like there should be some way to backdoor into the root system via USB or tether and hijack every bit and byte on it onto a hard drive ... given Android's huge user base, you'd think some clever hacker would have already figured that out and posted the hack somewhere.

ekb606 said:
It just seems like there should be some way to backdoor into the root system via USB or tether and hijack every bit and byte on it onto a hard drive ... given Android's huge user base, you'd think some clever hacker would have already figured that out and posted the hack somewhere.
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I want to say whatever clever hacker it is may be too clever to put it out in the open to be patched...or sucks too much to crack the Echo. XD
Sent from my Kyocera Echo.

website
heartheecho.webs.com im co owner. check it out.

Humm....over 600 members in it's infancy...we have gingerbread root, recovery, themes, bootamimations, and many members wondering why xda has refused to make a Kyocera Echo section. It's not like there isn't any interest in the phone, it sold well, and even today your lucky to find one under 150$ on ebay.
Thanks to the developers who gave the echo the chance it hasn't gotten on here in xda.
Not hating, just saying...why? why isn't there a dedicated section for us Echo owners after all this time? Why ignore us after repeated request? I don't get it. It's a Great phone. My 1900+ benchmark matches or beats many phones listed on xda.
Dual-screens make for too big a challenge? A dedicated few don't think so.
I gave up my Evo 4g for this phone....Twice. There's just something about this phone I really like, eh?...
Personally I'd like to see what the big shots on xda could do with this phone. That's all we were hoping really...more Rom development.

goygacon said:
Humm....over 600 members in it's infancy...we have gingerbread root, recovery, themes, bootamimations, and many members wondering why xda has refused to make a Kyocera Echo section. It's not like there isn't any interest in the phone, it sold well, and even today your lucky to find one under 150$ on ebay.
Thanks to the developers who gave the echo the chance it hasn't gotten on here in xda.
Not hating, just saying...why? why isn't there a dedicated section for us Echo owners after all this time? Why ignore us after repeated request? I don't get it. It's a Great phone. My 1900+ benchmark matches or beats many phones listed on xda.
Dual-screens make for too big a challenge? A dedicated few don't think so.
I gave up my Evo 4g for this phone....Twice. There's just something about this phone I really like, eh?...
Personally I'd like to see what the big shots on xda could do with this phone. That's all we were hoping really...more Rom development.
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I don't know why people aren't big into this phone either. Probably cause it wasn't a HUGE hit like all the others. Its gotta be all the "bad reviews" on the web. We tried emailing xda admins, talking to other devs, and just trying to get it noticed. I'm thinking some real reviews. You know? If anyone notices all the reviews on the web EVERYONE is still unrooted, on stock 2.2, and barely knows what the phone was MEANT to be used for, MULTITASKING!!!!!!! But now that here I am ranting about it, my brain just came up with this hopefully awesome, cool idea. We should make a real review. I'm not saying stock 2.3.4. Take my phone for example. Deodexed, themed, rooted, cmw based recovery, mods, Apps ported, super fast, scores on benchmark over 2000+, speed tests, and anything else. Its time. Time for some development on this nexgeneration dual-screen phone. It can and will be done! That is all.
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VI agree this phone isn't done yet its super close to stock 2.3.4 which would make for decent ports we need up to date reviews and more publicity it worked with the lg thrill and optimus 3D hell go to other forums requesting PM developers who work with the N1 dInc and htc evo 4g they could all help us and all have cyanogenmod lets get this ball rolling what do u say guys?
Ps I've posted on a couple sites a way to root 2.3.4 super easy if that's your issue then you will be rooted soon
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Build Kyocera Echo Stock ROM from source?
I don't know if anyone cares about this phone anymore, but I would like to build the stock ROM from source code and see where I can go from there.
I have AOSP android-2.3.4_r1 built (generic-eng) and running in emulator, and M9300_Gingerbread_kernel_code_2006.zip and M9300_Gingerbread_other_code.zip and Echo SDKs (v1.3 and v2.0) downloaded.
Where do I go from here? Anybody gotten any further?
Thank you, anyone who still likes this phone.

DulacLancelot said:
I don't know if anyone cares about this phone anymore, but I would like to build the stock ROM from source code and see where I can go from there.
I have AOSP android-2.3.4_r1 built (generic-eng) and running in emulator, and M9300_Gingerbread_kernel_code_2006.zip and M9300_Gingerbread_other_code.zip and Echo SDKs (v1.3 and v2.0) downloaded.
Where do I go from here? Anybody gotten any further?
Thank you, anyone who still likes this phone.
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Have you made any progress? Do you still have any files related to the echo?

[Q] New ICS Rom Face Unlock

I just installed the Newest Xoom Zone Rom with functioning Camera and HDMI, and I love it. I was going to post this in the Dev forum for the Rom, but because I'm a noob it won't let me. Is there any way to port the Face Lock from the Nexus to a Xoom. I tried the simple, copy .apk to the system install of the zip before I flashed it, and it crashes when I go to set it up. Face Lock appears under the security heading, but it doesn't function. I like this feature on my Nexus, and I think it would work great on a tablet. Is there a way to make this function on the Xoom, or will we have to hope Google releases a way to build it?

marnett2005 said:
I just installed the Newest Xoom Zone Rom with functioning Camera and HDMI, and I love it. I was going to post this in the Dev forum for the Rom, but because I'm a noob it won't let me. Is there any way to port the Face Lock from the Nexus to a Xoom. I tried the simple, copy .apk to the system install of the zip before I flashed it, and it crashes when I go to set it up. Face Lock appears under the security heading, but it doesn't function. I like this feature on my Nexus, and I think it would work great on a tablet. Is there a way to make this function on the Xoom, or will we have to hope Google releases a way to build it?
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It would be great to have it in deed! But if i were you i should post it into antother section.

Functionality like this will come in time.. We have really only had ics for 30 or so days and alot of devs are working hard on core functions and ensuring it is stable, we only got cam and hdmi in the last few days... Also other devs not associated with the builds may be able to come up with a solution but it may require libs or other files as u have seen just an apk drop wont cut it.. Or the apk itself may need porting for tablets or the xoom specifically, personally i dont know i wish i did. i do think though face unlock will come soon as alot of people are like yourself and want it... i would like it myself
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joshndroid said:
Functionality like this will come in time.. We have really only had ics for 30 or so days and alot of devs are working hard on core functions and ensuring it is stable, we only got cam and hdmi in the last few days... Also other devs not associated with the builds may be able to come up with a solution but it may require libs or other files as u have seen just an apk drop wont cut it.. Or the apk itself may need porting for tablets or the xoom specifically, personally i dont know i wish i did. i do think though face unlock will come soon as alot of people are like yourself and want it... i would like it myself
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I wasn't trying to *****, believe me I'm so impressed with the Dev support of this thing. I don't really know a lot about programming or any of that stuffs, and I wasn't sure if anyone had any insight to offer in getting this to work. It seems like the only way that is happening is by testing apart the APK and there is NO way I'm smart enough to do that. I was surprised when I saw the camera support already. Im just really hoping there is a way for this to work eventually, it seems like this is more suited to a tablet than a phone, and hopefully we get this working eventually.

what are the "must haves" for the tf101?

Hey guys I have never owned a tablet before, and finally picked up a tf101 with keyboard for a sweet price on CL.. and I want to give this tablet thing a real fair shot. That being said, I have tinkered around with android cellphones for a while, Im not a 100% noob but not as clever as most of you guys.
anyways I want to cut down on the amount of reading to do and boy there is a bunch , its the same song for every device/vehicle I buy, Purchase product, then spend the next couple months reading your brains off on a forum related to the product. (need to cut down on the reading... gf always on my case lol)
What are the most popular mods, accessories , settings (I will check into all the various kernals and Roms myself) apps. What are some life changing functions I can perform with the tf101 that would make me wish I got into tablets a lot sooner?
pretty much, I like the device and it looks real sleek and cool... just not sure what to do with it now , lol.
thanks in advance

Must have for me - Root - install custom rom - install kernel.
My PERI tool makes this a one-click from latest stock. I highly recommend you skip all the issues people have with stock and go straight to a great rom like ARHD, AOKP, or Megatron. :]
Other - counterstrike mobile, yes

This can be tough to answer because Android, unlike granny smith, has many things to read about and tinker with. I have had the tab for a while and tried numerous different roms and kernels. Each have slightly different responses and it depends on your tinkering desire.
I push my tab to the limits and try to do everything it wasn't originally designed for. Unfortunately....a lot of reading.
At any rate, my life changing functions were very quick access to RDP and VNC to home computers. I can also view my home security video cameras from the tab.
SSH to my phone is another plus for me.
I'm still contemplating attempting to install Linux on the tab as well.

TomTcom said:
I'm still contemplating attempting to install Linux on the tab as well.
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I have it installed in an image loop and up and running fine on my B80 SBK2. It is slow and doesn't have any sound and I can't figure out what to do next in terms of getting a decent speed from it because there is pretty much no information out there other than getting it running. I know decent speed is possible because I had a WebTop phone.

TomTcom said:
This can be tough to answer because Android, unlike granny smith, has many things to read about and tinker with. I have had the tab for a while and tried numerous different roms and kernels. Each have slightly different responses and it depends on your tinkering desire.
I push my tab to the limits and try to do everything it wasn't originally designed for. Unfortunately....a lot of reading.
At any rate, my life changing functions were very quick access to RDP and VNC to home computers. I can also view my home security video cameras from the tab.
SSH to my phone is another plus for me.
I'm still contemplating attempting to install Linux on the tab as well.
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haha, yeah I know what you mean... read read read, I should start hiring a forum assistant to scour message boards for me
anyways , I couldnt resist and already started reading and have rooted and installed rom... gonna try out some new kernals
but my main issue right now is ad-hoc.. Im trying to figure out if there is actually a real fix for it, but its all pretty confusing
I just made this thread regarding it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1689658

Thing O Doom said:
Must have for me - Root - install custom rom - install kernel.
My PERI tool makes this a one-click from latest stock. I highly recommend you skip all the issues people have with stock and go straight to a great rom like ARHD, AOKP, or Megatron. :]
Other - counterstrike mobile, yes
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thanks thing o doom, the peri one click was a nice experience, liked the humor you through in there

bigjoe87865 said:
haha, yeah I know what you mean... read read read, I should start hiring a forum assistant to scour message boards for me
anyways , I couldnt resist and already started reading and have rooted and installed rom... gonna try out some new kernals
but my main issue right now is ad-hoc.. Im trying to figure out if there is actually a real fix for it, but its all pretty confusing
I just made this thread regarding it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1689658
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Tell me more on your tether issue. I tether the tf to my phone using built in tether function through the aopk rom. The tablet picks it up just fine. There is a lot of confusion between adhoc and infrastructure mode also but there are a lot of articles on the subject.
Define what you want to do and what way you want the data to flow would help out for a better answer I think.
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TomTcom said:
Tell me more on your tether issue. I tether the tf to my phone using built in tether function through the aopk rom. The tablet picks it up just fine. There is a lot of confusion between adhoc and infrastructure mode also but there are a lot of articles on the subject.
Define what you want to do and what way you want the data to flow would help out for a better answer I think.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2
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hey tom, I think I have solved my problem, I applied the suplicant fix that was in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1438297
and it has been working since, I havnt used it too much yet but so far so good
was that what you were going to suggest to me?
My phone is a rooted tmobile vibrant running tmobile web , I dont have a native tether app on this rom and I didnt want to mess with my phone much either. (been over a year since I installed a rom or even wiped, its getting too old for me to want to invest time into it)

bigjoe87865 said:
hey tom, I think I have solved my problem, I applied the suplicant fix that was in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1438297
and it has been working since, I havnt used it too much yet but so far so good
was that what you were going to suggest to me?
My phone is a rooted tmobile vibrant running tmobile web , I dont have a native tether app on this rom and I didnt want to mess with my phone much either. (been over a year since I installed a rom or even wiped, its getting too old for me to want to invest time into it)
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I have heard this option many times but for quite some time ago when I was using Wifi tether for root users on the phone I had to select galaxy nexus cdma and netd master so the tablet would recognize.
Now things are becoming different such as the aopk rom and I use them on both the tf and my samsung fascinate. I stopped using the separate tether app since the built in function did all the same things.
I personally suggest a rom like this to make sure your phone and tablet can all peform the same functions.
Glad it worked for you though.

KitKat for the Charge?!?!?!?

maybe....
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5034...veals-android-4-kitkat-os-11.htm#.UicpuH-I68A
here's a quote from the article:
Android 4.4 KitKat Features
Google hasn't revealed any features yet of the upcoming Android 4.4 KitKat but instead, the company said: "our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody."
With this statement from Google, it is expected that KitKat will become accessible to Android-running devices with lower RAM such as 512MB and older Android version such as 2.3 Gingerbread. This optimisation has been rumoured to be included in Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie.
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What...
http://signatures.mobile-overload.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sig-cm-5.png

I would not hold my breath.
Sent from my SCH-I545 using XDA Premium HD app

lol no. Unless if it was created by an awesome person here, but there's no point in that. This phone is long dead, earlier this week I finally moved on, and oh my gosh, its been great having a Nexus 4 over this phone that was out-dated before it was even released back in Spring 2011.

Nope
You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.

ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...

10amla said:
You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.
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I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
JihadSquad said:
ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...
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Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though

dwitherell said:
I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though
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I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.

10amla said:
I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.
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Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!

dwitherell said:
Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!
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I agree with your take on MyFiles, one of the first thing I did was replace it with something else(currently FX File Manager). I wasn't a big deal, I had planed on copying my few ringtones to system anyway.

while I agree that the we are more likely to see Republicans and Democrats agree on something, would still be interesting to see if this holds true. I really would not be surprised though, if older devices do get upgraded to the latest OS - that could mean larger revenues for Google. more folks would be able to use their apps, services, etc. without having to get a new device.
however, after then, they could see how slow their device is, and then they decide to upgrade. but still, worth keeping an eye on.

Google and Verizon both agreeing to do this? Hell will freeze over first.
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From my understanding of several stories posted from Android sites since KitKat was announced, It sounds like either Google is going to update phones to KitKat silently like they have been doing everything else without the help of Samsung or Verizon or perhaps we just get these features without ever actually upgrading to KitKat
Hangouts is supposed to be replacing the stock Messaging app-If Google can do that then why would they need anything from Samsung/Verizon??
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...msmms-integration-video-sharing-capabilities/
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/10/08/h...uts-will-almost-certainly-integrate-with-sms/
4.4 "Google Experience" Launcher Launcher could be released from the Play Store (which would replace touchwiz??)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...re-some-things-we-are-expecting-to-see-in-it/

The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.

asacado said:
The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.
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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?

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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?
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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.

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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.
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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.

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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.
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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?

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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?
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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.

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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.
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not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but it could be the fact that the charge is based on RFS system (GB 2.3). I believe android went EXT4 with ICS and higher. there are some kernels that can convert the Charge to EXT4 - so not sure if that would help ya.