If IPS display is so good, how come no other major manufacturer is using it?
Everyone else is going for TFT.
Ivanthompson said:
If IPS display is so good, how come no other major manufacturer is using it?
Everyone else is going for TFT.
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No other major manufacturer, really? Apple uses them in iPads. B&N uses them in Nooks Color. Lenovo will use it in LePad tablet. I believe Toshiba will use it their upcoming tablet. I think that's enough but there may be others too, we just don't have final specs on all upcoming tablets yet.
Some manufacturers don't use them (motorola and acer for example) to cut costs and make bigger profit I am guessing.
A lot use them. Those that don't do so to cut costs.
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No other major manufacturer, really? Apple uses them in iPads. B&N uses them in Nooks Color. Lenovo will use it in LePad tablet. I believe Toshiba will use it their upcoming tablet. I think that's enough but there may be others too, we just don't have final specs on all upcoming tablets yet.
Some manufacturers don't use them (motorola and acer for example) to cut costs and make bigger profit I am guessing.
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Ivanthompson said:
If IPS display is so good, how come no other major manufacturer is using it?
Everyone else is going for TFT.
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Everyone is going for TFT because every LCD is using TFT (thin-film transistor). IPS is also TFT-LCD.
There are three main types of TFT-LCD:
TN - very cheap, poor angles, contrast and colors (almost certainly used by Acer A500).
VA - good black and contrast, not so good angles (but quite OK), slow, good colors but most suffer from black crush (the colors near black all look like black), probably used by Motorola Xoom,
IPS - very good colors, good angles of view, worse black than VA, faster than VA, slower than TN, probably costs more than most VA, used by iPad and Transformer.
There is also AFFL - Asus used it in Asus Slate but named it IPS if I remember correctly (it should be very similar to IPS).
There are many other versions, especially VA is in many different versions - some worse, some better. The type of backlight (typically fluorescent lamp, sometimes LED) will also have impact on colors.
kinda like how porterhouse is better than cube steak... everyone doesn't eat porterhouse cause it costs more.
now just to clarify, i know it's a personal preference as to which meat is better b/c there's a bbq joint here that makes a cube steak that i'd pick over a porterhouse any day!
a 24" standard TN display will run you starting at $170
The cheapest IPS display will cost you $400+ for the same size.
comes down to cost, and yes I do have two IPS displays, I will never go back to anything lower, putting it beside my TN panel acer, the acer looks like a POS.
Magnesus said:
Everyone is going for TFT because every LCD is using TFT (thin-film transistor). IPS is also TFT-LCD.
There are three main types of TFT-LCD:
TN - very cheap, poor angles, contrast and colors (almost certainly used by Acer A500).
VA - good black and contrast, not so good angles (but quite OK), slow, good colors but most suffer from black crush (the colors near black all look like black), probably used by Motorola Xoom,
IPS - very good colors, good angles of view, worse black than VA, faster than VA, slower than TN, probably costs more than most VA, used by iPad and Transformer.
There is also AFFL - Asus used it in Asus Slate but named it IPS if I remember correctly (it should be very similar to IPS).
There are many other versions, especially VA is in many different versions - some worse, some better. The type of backlight (typically fluorescent lamp, sometimes LED) will also have impact on colors.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Magnesus said:
VA - good black and contrast, not so good angles (but quite OK), slow, good colors but most suffer from black crush (the colors near black all look like black), probably used by Motorola Xoom
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I didn't think the colors looked that good on the xooms display when I saw it in store and when I saw the xooms screen compared to the transformer in a review (can't remember which sorry) I thought it looked pretty terrible..
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VA - good black and contrast, not so good angles (but quite OK), slow, good
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tests by anandtech show the transformer being better at showing blacks AND contrast so I doubt the Xoom is a VA panel.
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tests by anandtech show the transformer being better at showing blacks AND contrast so I doubt the Xoom is a VA panel.
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Yes, I'm not sure if it's VA too. Maybe I'll get my hands on Xoom once and check (there are probably two types of screens in Xooms too, so it could be that one is TN, the other not). And some type of VA are not much better than TN.
gorby911 said:
No other major manufacturer, really? Apple uses them in iPads. B&N uses them in Nooks Color. Lenovo will use it in LePad tablet. I believe Toshiba will use it their upcoming tablet. I think that's enough but there may be others too, we just don't have final specs on all upcoming tablets yet.
Some manufacturers don't use them (motorola and acer for example) to cut costs and make bigger profit I am guessing.
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I'm aware that the Ipad's and the Nook's have IPS displays. But what about Moto, Samsung, Acer, Dell, Lenovo? And if IPS displays are so expensive, how come the Transformer is cheapest of the lot?
Ivanthompson said:
I'm aware that the Ipad's and the Nook's have IPS displays. But what about Moto, Samsung, Acer, Dell, Lenovo? And if IPS displays are so expensive, how come the Transformer is cheapest of the lot?
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First lets compare it to the iPad, made by apple, they have it up for 500 USD with an IPS display, now we all know the renowned apple tax which would explain the 100 USD price difference, but also think about the fact that Apple doesn't actually make their parts themselves (making it slightly more expensive). Asus however produces nearly all of their own parts in their own factories (besides connector ports which are sometimes made by foxconn) making it cheaper to produce, moto does not produce their own parts.
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Asus however produces nearly all of their own parts in their own factories (besides connector ports which are sometimes made by foxconn) making it cheaper to produce, moto does not produce their own parts.
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Yes, this. In fact it's one of the reasons I've been looking forward to seeing what Asus comes up with, because they make so much of their own stuff. They kicked off the whole low-cost netbook thing, now they're doing the same with tablets. And it's a good thing, because they're doing it by offering decent enough quality and specs at a lower price point.
Now if I can just get my freaking hands on one...
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TN - very cheap, poor angles, contrast and colors (almost certainly used by Acer A500).
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For what it's worth, I just played with an A500 at Best Buy, and the viewing angles were pretty good. Then again, I'm coming from a Viewsonic gTab, so perhaps my expectations are low. At extreme angles the screen appeared dimmer, but it didn't go all solarized like the gTab.
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Yes, I'm not sure if it's VA too. Maybe I'll get my hands on Xoom once and check (there are probably two types of screens in Xooms too, so it could be that one is TN, the other not). And some type of VA are not much better than TN.
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There are a few threads about this on the Moto forums. Apparently there are two screens being used in Xooms, with one offering noticeably better color than the other. Indeed, I had one of each myself, and the difference is really pretty striking.
Could be that the Anandtech reviewer was comparing to the Xoom version with the lower-quality screen. Note, though, that although the difference is striking between the two Xoom versions, I'm guessing the best Xoom is still lower quality than the Transformer, if the Transformer is at all comparable to the iPad. You'll also notice a few threads over there that say the iPad screen is much better.
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For what it's worth, I just played with an A500 at Best Buy, and the viewing angles were pretty good.
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Most new TNs have better horizontal angles than older ones but vertical angles are still quite bad (especially when you look from the bottom of the device). To be honest there is so many subtypes that it's hard to even tell what type you are looking at. And good TN is quite enough for most tasks (I exaggerated writing "poor" - what I meant was worse than the others).
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First lets compare it to the iPad, made by apple, they have it up for 500 USD with an IPS display, now we all know the renowned apple tax which would explain the 100 USD price difference, but also think about the fact that Apple doesn't actually make their parts themselves (making it slightly more expensive). Asus however produces nearly all of their own parts in their own factories (besides connector ports which are sometimes made by foxconn) making it cheaper to produce, moto does not produce their own parts.
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Asus does not produce display panels. They buy the panels from other manufacturers such as AUO, LG, Sharp, etc and then package it into their monitors.
I'm still amazed how Asus managed to fit all this hardware (IPS display especially) into the $399 MSRP
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I'm still amazed how Asus managed to fit all this hardware (IPS display especially) into the $399 MSRP
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I'm betting they could still go a lot lower, if they wanted.
UBM TechInsights, a company that tears down other companies' products and then sells reports on the manufacturing methods, new technologies, bill-of-materials costs, etc. that it finds reckons the iPad 2, for example, costs Apple somewhere in the region of just $270 to make, and that's despite Apple customizing the processor, where Asus is buying an off-the-shelf part.
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/reports-and-subscriptions/investigative-analysis/apple-ipad-2/
Obviously there's marketing, support, etc. costs on top of this, but I wouldn't be surprised to see prices for similar tablets to work their way down to $300-350 within the next year, maybe sooner depending on competition.
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Asus does not produce display panels. They buy the panels from other manufacturers such as AUO, LG, Sharp, etc and then package it into their monitors.
I'm still amazed how Asus managed to fit all this hardware (IPS display especially) into the $399 MSRP
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True, but if Asus is saving money by making rather than buying other components, then they have a lower overall cost to work with. They could therefore take a hit on the IPS panel and still make the same gross margin as other tablet manufacturers.
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It looks like xda is really working alot on gtab, but i here the screen isnt that good. I love what xda does and android. I am running evo on cm7 and would love the tablet to be ablet to run cyanogen as well. Im just confused on what is good and not.
No help
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I noticed a hot deal for Android tablet on fatwallet. I think it's a great deal for Android 2.2 tablet based on the fantastic price and powerful spcs. The seller site is here: Freescale A8 Android 2.2 tablet
You can take a look at it and there are also many comments about this hot baby on fatwallet.
Thx but really looking for 10in screen
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Thx but really looking for 10in screen
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Not much choice in Tegra 2 ATM or even 10" altogether. If you can wait you MIGHT want to wait and see what actually does ship from what was shown at CES...
gTablet is nice and hackable, but a number of people don't like the poor viewing angles of it's LCD panel. I don't notice this much as when I use the tablet I'm looking directly at it. (Also have a Nook Color which has better viewing angles but, again, I rarely notice this because 99.999% of the time I'm looking directly at the screen...)
If manufacturer support and kernel source are important just don't buy a Chinese tablet, or at least one w/o a western re-badger supporting it, but even then only a handful have released source. There was a list compiled by someone @ Redhat the other week, check back on /. for a link. (I got the NC because I trust B&N to support the NC for a while yet at least, presuming that they don't go under, but be aware that their customer service is beyond awful... and so far Viewsonic is supporting the gTablet...)
Also, any tablet that has 3/4G is likely to be expensive in the US as they will undoubtedly be tied to a carrier(s) who will insist on a grossly overpriced MSRP such that they can look "good" when they offer a deal if purchased w/a 2y contract, however, the total cost will be MUCH higher than even the grossly overpriced unlocked one should it even be offered.
I agree with the positive comments about the G-Tablet made by others here.
Personally, I think the criticisms of the screen are overblown. I find it more than workable and simply don't do things that make it less than optimal. No question it could be better -- but at the price point I think it really is okay.
As I have said in other posts -- I bought my G-Tablets because (1) they are here NOW; (2) the price is much better than the $699-$1100 tablets that aren't even here yet; and (3) who can put a price on the fun we are having making them like we want them? If you don' want to do that then go buy a fruity-pad at way more $$$$.
If I decide I want something else later then I'll go buy it then.
IMHO!
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Thx for the comments. Thought about zpad. But it is alot higher for only difference I see is resolution. I don't like how these new ones coming out are tied to carriers. I have a cell phone for gods sake. I don't need 3g. I have wifi and tethering for that
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Personally, I think the most portable size is 7" or 8". 10" is a little big to take along.
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Thought about zpad. But it is alot higher for only difference I see is resolution.
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I think they are the same resolution 1024x600
zpad does however have 3G and GPS if they are must haves for you.
For anyone interested flat compuing has 9 flatpad a-10w tablets left. Just another zpad rebadge. But with a 1366x768 screen. Having owned the gtablet too the screen is a big improvement. Oh and mine was shipped with market.
Flatcomputing.com. no i dont work for them. His just seems to be the better product.
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Daml, I gotta try and verify this with you. I noticed on their site originally they had the a10w listed as 1366x768 but now it has been changed to 1024x600. How can you be sure it has the higher resolution?
Hmm ... that FlatComputing system looks identical to the gTablet ... There is no mention of a different display and the remainder of the hardware is spec'ed identical, isn't it?
For me, I must say that I *cannot stand* the reflective surface or terrible viewing angle of the gTablet. With that said, I'd still buy a gTablet, if the cost/value factored into the mix. There just isn't a better tablet going, for the money, than gTablet *with* VEGAN.
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Daml, I gotta try and verify this with you. I noticed on their site originally they had the a10w listed as 1366x768 but now it has been changed to 1024x600. How can you be sure it has the higher resolution?
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Hmm i didnt notice it had changed. You should ask them.
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daml said:
For anyone interested flat compuing has 9 flatpad a-10w tablets left. Just another zpad rebadge. But with a 1366x768 screen. Having owned the gtablet too the screen is a big improvement. Oh and mine was shipped with market.
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The one you recieved is 1366 x 768? The site says 1024 x 600. It only has 1 GB memory?
Daml: would you mind to send us some screenshots of the viewing angle? Since the hardware are very similar, if the screen is a big improvement, we may be able to replace the gtab screen with this one.
Thanks
Got my a10w from Flat Computing today. It's a rebranded Advent Vega. As a matter of fact, in the software update instructions it looks like "Find/Replace" missed a Vega reference, lol.
I can confirm that the unit is nearly identical to the G Tablet minus the capacitive buttons on the front of the panel. The screen is 1024x600 and DOES NOT have better viewing angles. My guess is the screen is IDENTICAL to the g tab.
So, needless to say, my A10W will be for sale shortly. Not because there is anything wrong, but I pretty much have no need for two identical tablets
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Got my a10w from Flat Computing today. It's a rebranded Advent Vega. As a matter of fact, in the software update instructions it looks like "Find/Replace" missed a Vega reference, lol.
I can confirm that the unit is nearly identical to the G Tablet minus the capacitive buttons on the front of the panel. The screen is 1024x600 and DOES NOT have better viewing angles. My guess is the screen is IDENTICAL to the g tab.
So, needless to say, my A10W will be for sale shortly. Not because there is anything wrong, but I pretty much have no need for two identical tablets
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It's truly rebranded, isn't ? If so, the quality should be reliable?
So I have had a Nook color for a few months and it's defective... I have Barnes and Nobles shipping me a new one and now I find myself with a dilemma.
At this point I will have a new Nook Color that I can either sell for retail and then buy a new Gtablet or keep it and keep using it until the Xoom comes down in price.
The problem is that looking at the forums it looks like the gtablet isn't exactly as fail-proof as far as the Nook Color is. And I personally like to constantly test the limits of my electronics.
So do I keep the beautiful screened, slower nook color or do I get the not as nice lcd, tablet that is two times faster?
I think the screen on the gtab gets a bad rap. Yeah the viewing angles are not good, but I can count on 2 fingers the number of times I've wanted to view the screen together with someone else. when the tablet is positioned properly in front of me it looks fine. This tablet does everything I need it too and then some... Plus the battery life is stellar.
So my vote would be for the gtab, but I'm biased.
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So I have had a Nook color for a few months and it's defective... I have Barnes and Nobles shipping me a new one and now I find myself with a dilemma.
At this point I will have a new Nook Color that I can either sell for retail and then buy a new Gtablet or keep it and keep using it until the Xoom comes down in price.
The problem is that looking at the forums it looks like the gtablet isn't exactly as fail-proof as far as the Nook Color is. And I personally like to constantly test the limits of my electronics.
So do I keep the beautiful screened, slower nook color or do I get the not as nice lcd, tablet that is two times faster?
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Not sure why you say the G-Tablet isn't as fail proof? If you take the time to read some threads here you'll see the G-Tablet is just about un-brickable. I own both devices and I prefer the G-Tablet even with the diminished viewing angles. The Nook is a cool device, my wife loves hers, it's just not powerful enough for my taste. Thanks to the hard work of the developers here at XDA the G-Tablet rocks.
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Oh awesome! =) I read a few, guess I just read the wrong ones lol. Doesn't help that I don't quite know the lingo and roms yet for this tablet. Definitely thinking about getting it.
If you like the screen of the nook then wait for another device. I sold the Gtab because of the screen and got a Nook. The screen is horrible in comparison. There are IPS tablets coming soon.
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So do I keep the beautiful screened, slower nook color or do I get the not as nice lcd, tablet that is two times faster?
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I own both devices. Unless you have a compelling need for a 10" tablet (ie: it's hard to read the Nook), then I recommend you keep the nook, ROM it with Phiremod or another CM7 version and wait until the new larger tablets come out.
I love my G-Tablet, but it soon will be very very outclassed by other devices. Asus EEEpad, for instance.
For the price g tablet is a damn good tablet
Screen or speed?
Got both. Love them both for different reasons.
NC really has a nice screen with good viewing angles. 7" sometimes is just right as well. When you OC it, it does perform pretty well also.
Gtab's just a pure speed demon. Despite a few annoyances (viewing angle from the bottom, lack of accessories, etc) it really works very well once you install a custom ROM. I'm currently using Vegan-GB. For games, it really makes a difference compared to NC.
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Got both. Love them both for different reasons.
NC really has a nice screen with good viewing angles. 7" sometimes is just right as well. When you OC it, it does perform pretty well also.
Gtab's just a pure speed demon. Despite a few annoyances (viewing angle from the bottom, lack of accessories, etc) it really works very well once you install a custom ROM. I'm currently using Vegan-GB. For games, it really makes a difference compared to NC.
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Same as above. Love the Nook Color because of portability, love the Gtab because I can keep it on the end table and it is always in reach. Both have their goods/bads and have their respective places in my Android Arsenal. LOL
My opinion:
You own a Nook already. Keep it and wait for the next gen of Tablets. If it was purely a "should I buy a Nook or a Gtab" I'd say buy the GTab.
The screen is *NOT* as bad as everyone loves to say it is and it's certainly significantly larger than the Nook.
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I love my G-Tablet, but it soon will be very very outclassed by other devices. Asus EEEpad, for instance.
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I'm not so thrilled about the eeepad. For one thing, it will be designed like a netbook. I really have a bad feeling about it.
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I'm not so thrilled about the eeepad. For one thing, it will be designed like a netbook. I really have a bad feeling about it.
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I'm more interested in the Transformer (minus the laptop dock thiny). It looks like the price is going to be closer to what everyone else is charging, rather than their initial pricing of $399 though.
And Samsung comes in for the win (FTW). 8.9 and 10.1 in tabs, $469/$499 respectively, most likely IPS screens. Unknown yet, but assumed to be Tegra 2, with Honeycomb.
I'm still happy with my $350 purchase, but it's nice to see someone competing with Apple finally (and making life difficult for Motorola, as I hate them)
i have a nook color and a gtab and if i had to choose between them i would pick the gtab every time but thats just my opinion
Hi all,
I'm looking to get one of these Honeycomb beauties soon but Im heavily doubting between the Transformer or the new Galaxy Tab 10.1 (due this summer).
First I was almost sure to get the Transformer because of price and featureset (dock, hdmi out, sd slot, usb etc.) compared to the GT. However, despite having an IPS panel, I saw some videos where the colours, brightness and contrast didn't looked that great compared to the Ipad 2 and the BB Playbook. But many other reviews are really exited about it...
So now I'm in great doubt again as the screen is one of the most important factors for a Android tablet in my opinion. I'm sure the Galaxy Tab 10.1 will have a great screen (PLS) because I saw the original GT yesterday and the Ipad2, both had very bright, crisp and colorfull displays. Therefore, I would like to hear from you guys who own the Asus (or even more tablets) how you find the screen and how you think it is compared to the Ipad 2 and GT 10.1 (although not released yet). Maybe someone can make or point to some good comparison shots/test.
Thanks!
P.s. Don't mind my English, I'm Dutch
almost identical to iPad 2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4277/asus-eee-pad-transformer-review/5
Read this page, this is the most thorough testing I've come across in regards to the Transformer. Hope it helps
I don't have a galaxy tab and I don't have professional testing equipment, but I do have a keen eye for screen quality (I'm a graphic designer) and will report back later when I unbox it and compare it to the iPad 2 after getting home for lunch.
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Read this page, this is the most thorough testing I've come across in regards to the Transformer. Hope it helps
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Thanks, already found that one but I just need a visualisation of those parameters
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I don't have a galaxy tab and I don't have professional testing equipment, but I do have a keen eye for screen quality (I'm a graphic designer) and will report back later when I unbox it and compare it to the iPad 2 after getting home for lunch.
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Would be great!! Thanks!
Could anyone else shed some more light ?
Everything I've read puts it very close to the ipad 2.
BTW when I saw GT 10.1 I thought you were saying G Tablet and thought to myself he can't really be asking that can he?
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Everything I've read puts it very close to the ipad 2.
BTW when I saw GT 10.1 I thought you were saying G Tablet and thought to myself he can't really be asking that can he?
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The choice would be much easier when I was comparing it to a G Tablet XD
here's a side by side of super pls vs ips
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/01/samsung-touts-super-pls-display-as-the-evolution-of-ips-on-smart/
the super pls display is one of the reasons i'm waiting for the samsung gtab 10.1 before i decide if i should go with that or the transformer
IQ, both screens look similar. Brightness wise, the iPad 2 wins hands down. Personally prefer the iPad2 screen.
Is Super PLS better than IPS? It probably will be. But IPS is proven in a wide range of uses.
So the next question is, are you going to pay $100 or the equivalent in your currency more for a Samsung Super PLS over the Transformer and it's IPS?
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Is Super PLS better than IPS? It probably will be. But IPS is proven in a wide range of uses.
So the next question is, are you going to pay $100 or the equivalent in your currency more for a Samsung Super PLS over the Transformer and it's IPS?
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It is not IPS vs PLS for me, I'm more than happy with a IPS screen but some videos I saw of the transformer doesn't show a very crisp and high quality screen everyone is talking about. But again it is a video so very hard to judge for me, that is why my question. I rather pay $100 extra (or the same price but without a dock) when I'm sure I get a good screen. I mean, I don't have the financial strength to buy a new tablet each year. So when I buy one now I do want to last it at least 2 - 3 years without being sorry that I choose this device and not the other.... The screen is what you will be looking at all that time.
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Could you make a comparison shot?
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Everything I've read puts it very close to the ipad 2.
BTW when I saw GT 10.1 I thought you were saying G Tablet and thought to myself he can't really be asking that can he?
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Haha straight-on, brightness at full, that gTab screen is actually very nice, really pops. But move your head up down left right, and it all goes to hell. It's a shame, it's a great tablet otherwise.
After about 10 hours of using it I can safely say I can't tell the difference in colours/contrast/whites/blacks between the transformer and my iPad 2.
however the transformer does win in resolution and DPI slightly.
Thanks for getting back to me And is the brightness good enough too? Because Highland3r said the Ipad2 screen is much brighter. It doesn't have to be so bright that you can't see anything, but do you think it is bright enough?
(maybe you can make some pictures)
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So when I buy one now I do want to last it at least 2 - 3 years without being sorry that I choose this device and not the other.... The screen is what you will be looking at all that time.
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If the Transformer's screen were bad (not just comparatively a little less good), then I'd agree. However, everything is indicating that it's pretty darn good, and so I don't wager it's something one would hate looking at for a few years.
Now, add in the keyboard dock, and you've suddenly expanded the use case for the device. For someone who does any kind of long-form writing, or even lots of email, tweeting, or whatever, then that keyboard suddenly matters. Multiply that over a few years, and the productivity gains could be significant. Heck, I'm even looking forward to just being able to set the darn thing on my lap and type without worrying about heat or covering up a fan intake. Given the battery, it's also much better than just adding a Bluetooth keyboard if even you could figure out a way to hold a separate tablet and keyboard on your lap.
Not trying to convince anyone one way or the other, but for me, I can't wait to get my hands on the Transformer and particularly with the dock. I've enjoyed the Xoom I've been using, and am really looking forward to comparing the screens. I have a feeling that in that comparison for sure, the Transformer would come out ahead even without the dock.
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Thanks for getting back to me And is the brightness good enough too? Because Highland3r said the Ipad2 screen is much brighter. It doesn't have to be so bright that you can't see anything, but do you think it is bright enough?
(maybe you can make some pictures)
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Sorry to jump in, but I can't understand this brightness thing. The transformer is plenty bright. Mine sears my eyesballs at anywhere near full brightness in a dim room.
Additionally it has better DPI/resolution than the iPad as has been mentioned. That was the first thing I noticed about the screen.
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Sorry to jump in, but I can't understand this brightness thing. The transformer is plenty bright. Mine sears my eyesballs at anywhere near full brightness in a dim room.
Additionally it has better DPI/resolution than the iPad as has been mentioned. That was the first thing I noticed about the screen.
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It's bright enough in a dim room, not quite as good in a bright room though. The extra brightness of the iPad screen gives it the edge in well lit areas (it's also a bit less glarey than the Transformer).
It's personal preference though really - the iPad is a bit easier to get along with - never really have a worry that bright areas will mean you can't view whats on the screen.
This is what is going on in reviews too... one says it is a great screen, the other is not really that "positive" about it. Could someone post some pictures in brighter rooms ? Will help me a lot to decide as those are missing on the interner, or they seem to be edited a little!
Thanks!
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Thanks for getting back to me And is the brightness good enough too? Because Highland3r said the Ipad2 screen is much brighter. It doesn't have to be so bright that you can't see anything, but do you think it is bright enough?
(maybe you can make some pictures)
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it seems to be just as bright with both at max as the iPad 2.
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If the Transformer's screen were bad (not just comparatively a little less good), then I'd agree. However, everything is indicating that it's pretty darn good, and so I don't wager it's something one would hate looking at for a few years.
Now, add in the keyboard dock, and you've suddenly expanded the use case for the device. For someone who does any kind of long-form writing, or even lots of email, tweeting, or whatever, then that keyboard suddenly matters. Multiply that over a few years, and the productivity gains could be significant. Heck, I'm even looking forward to just being able to set the darn thing on my lap and type without worrying about heat or covering up a fan intake. Given the battery, it's also much better than just adding a Bluetooth keyboard if even you could figure out a way to hold a separate tablet and keyboard on your lap.
Not trying to convince anyone one way or the other, but for me, I can't wait to get my hands on the Transformer and particularly with the dock. I've enjoyed the Xoom I've been using, and am really looking forward to comparing the screens. I have a feeling that in that comparison for sure, the Transformer would come out ahead even without the dock.
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You got a point there... That is why I'm really opting for the Transformer, only that screen though keeps nagging in the back of my head
Just a quick overview: I was in Best Buy the other night, and fortunately, they had all 3 machines not only powered on, but also on WiFi. I couldn't resist this, since I'm beginning to seriously look at a 10" tab to replace my oft maligned (And rightly so) Gentough78. (Yeah, yeah.. I know) Anyway, having all 3 side by side was nice. Here's my thoughts:
Screen: The winner was the Thrive. It had very good contrast. The other 2 were completely acceptable though.
Case: I like the rubberized backing of the Thrive a LOT. That being said, it was a close 2nd place to the Xformer (Heretofore called the XF). Didn't care for the clunkiness of the Iconia.
WiFi performance: The Iconia stuttered a lot on the youtube video I was playing. The other 2 seemed to handle this just fine.
WiFi Tethering: The XF was the only one of the 3 that saw my hotspot on my Epic. This is a pretty big deal.
Snappiness: Hard to tell the diff between the 3, honestly. They were all nice.
Dock: Obviously this is an awesome on the XF
So... overall, as it stands, I'm seriously looking at the XF as my tab of choice. Just thought I'd share my thoughts here. How's the tun.ko working out on IPSEC VPN???
Fellow epic user! I was faced with the same decision and got the TF because of the hotspot issue. I have no regrets and i dont even have the dock. I use my stylus for most everything. I also like how the OS has no annoying UI over top.
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i currently have both the thrive and transformer and i have to say you are wrong, the IPS display on the transformer is noticeably better. It's richer in color and has better viewing angles. I am returning the thrive because its just too fat!
Either way, they are good choices. I really don't need the ports on the Thrive, and I really like the TF's weight and thinness compared to the Thrive since I usually throw it in my bag, or walk around carrying it in my hand when I'm using it as a Mp3 player (which is all the time). Since the Thrive has a LED screen, blacks are probably darker than on the TF but I haven't tested.
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i currently have both the thrive and transformer and i have to say you are wrong, the IPS display on the transformer is noticeably better. It's richer in color and has better viewing angles. I am returning the thrive because its just too fat!
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I agree, I found the TF screen to be superior. The only other andriod tablet I thought had a display that could compete with the TF was the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Did you check to see if the brightness setting where set to the same approximate
brightness.
You can't test anything in 20 minutes at best buy. They all are a tie because ech line has a feature specific to its self. I think it comes down to personal preference and how will it be used. I chose the Asus because of the free software Splashtop and Polaris, but do wn a Acer too. The Acer states hooked up to my TV with wireless keyboard and mouse to stream movies or surf the web.
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I made this thread to help kinda sort what each tablet has (most of them out there), might help you pinpoint.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AnAJoa0-ynONdE1TT1RSdTcxbmRFeE5mdl9jdzZDb3c&output=html
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Did you check to see if the brightness setting where set to the same approximate
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Nope... should have. In all fairness, the screens were in pretty mucky shape too. They all had streaks and smudges from all of the dirty fingers of the crumb crunchers who had played with them. The 2 Xooms wouldn't even come on, so I didn't check them out (Although in all fairness, the $100 extra kind of excluded them anyway)
When I get a little closer to being actually able to afford one (I'm just over 1/2 way there now), I'll go give them a lot closer look, and I'll probably bring a microfibre cloth. I'd never let any of my screens get that nasty.
And I'll pay extra close attention to the viewing angles. That's something I hadn't thought of.
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Nope... should have. In all fairness, the screens were in pretty mucky shape too. They all had streaks and smudges from all of the dirty fingers of the crumb crunchers who had played with them. The 2 Xooms wouldn't even come on, so I didn't check them out (Although in all fairness, the $100 extra kind of excluded them anyway)
When I get a little closer to being actually able to afford one (I'm just over 1/2 way there now), I'll go give them a lot closer look, and I'll probably bring a microfibre cloth. I'd never let any of my screens get that nasty.
And I'll pay extra close attention to the viewing angles. That's something I hadn't thought of.
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The Xoom, the screen isn't as good as the others. The color temp and viewing angle are inferior.
http://dustinwilkins.com/2011/05/03/it-is-all-about-the-screen-transformer-vs-xoom/
http://androidforums.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer/327231-transformer-vs-xoom-screen.html
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/17404-screen-comparison-versus-a-xoom-with-pics/
I bought the Iconia and returned it. I just thought the plastic port area on the sites ruined the high-end feel of the brushed metal. And it was too heavy to comfortably hold while reading. I love the ports though. The Toshiba tablet was just too huge. My TF is great. But build quality is so-so; I got a squeeky area around the power button. No big deal though.
Asus TF has the best screen and the value-for-money dock
Iconia has the full size usb port
Thrive has the full size usb port and hdmi port but loses out on weight and bulkiness.
and all three devices uses the same SoC, the Tegra2 so i wouldn't compare performance.
and there are other scientific ways to test the WiFi performance than testing with a youtube video
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Asus TF has the best screen and the value-for-money dock
Iconia has the full size usb port
Thrive has the full size usb port and hdmi port but loses out on weight and bulkiness.
and all three devices uses the same SoC, the Tegra2 so i wouldn't compare performance.
and there are other scientific ways to test the WiFi performance than testing with a youtube video
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Sure, but with a locked down market and running fast through the testing since other people were looking, it was the 1st thing that came to mind. I'm not a professional reviewer, I just play one on TV...
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I made this thread to help kinda sort what each tablet has (most of them out there), might help you pinpoint.
(Google Docs link in original post)
Hey Dude; terrific work.
Saved me the hassle
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I'd get the transformer. If you're referencing the BF deal then the Asus has 16gb for $250 while the Thrive is 8gb for $275. To me, that's no contest.
After purchasing 2 defective Nexus 7, I've decided to seek for an alternative tablet..
How does the TF700 compare?
Pricing is not a concern for me .
See Lisa's review comparison.
Kinda apples to oranges isn't it? Entry level budget minded device versus high end loaded device? Don't get me wrong, I like the nexus, but they would need a 10" for me to even bother looking their way. I already have a couple nook colors. BUUUT...how do they compare, well lets try...
TF700 = Bigger better screen
TF700 = graphics
TF700 = brightness (super IPS is nice)
Nexus = From google OTAs
Nexus = Lighter
Nexus = Handier as a casual every day "assistant" type device that still is great for movies and games.
Overall it depends on what your looking for really. Quite a difference in price.
**Disclaimer: I don't own a Nexus, just taking a guess at most of the things I listed**
i dont think there is much of a comparison.
Currently, I own both devices. While I agree they are apples vs oranges (lower end to higher end), I can perhaps share some insight. Let me start by saying getting either device is a win. What we have here is 2 quality tablets utilizing the android OS. The Nexus 7 is more of a convenience device. What I mean by this is the portability, weight, and smoothness are unprecedented. I love walking to the coffee table, picking the 7 up, checking my twitter feed, checking the score of the game, etc... One of the other things I enjoy (despite the lower resolution than the TF700), is e-reading. The lack of stress on my wrists makes it an absolute pleasure to read. I can lay on my back, and hold the tablet above my face with one hand, and have no fear of dropping it. There's a lot of little uses I find the 7 brilliant for. My hang up is the idea of a 7" tablet. It's not big enough, but it's not small enough to use with 2 hands making is slightly awkward for some users.
The Infinity is more of a laptop replacement (especially if you get the keyboard dock). I went with the 64gb version, with a 64gb micro SD card. I have not touched my laptop since. If you are looking for a daily web browser, this is your guy. I never have to zoom in to read, the text is crisp/clear, and I don't find myself straining to view websites. That's another advantage of the 10" tablet over the 7". The screen noticeably trumps the Nexus 7, and sometimes it pains me to switch between the two. Although i'm a big fan of Google and Nexus devices I really like what Asus did with their personal widgets and notification bar. Really makes the tablet feel fluid. The downside with the TF700 is most things aren't optimized for the gorgeous display. I'm sad to say, it's almost a waste. That is one area i'll give the nod to IOS for. Apps look grainy with their icons, games can look poor at times, and some games aren't even available at all.
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Currently, I own both devices. While I agree they are apples vs oranges (lower end to higher end), I can perhaps share some insight. Let me start by saying getting either device is a win. What we have here is 2 quality tablets utilizing the android OS. The Nexus 7 is more of a convenience device. What I mean by this is the portability, weight, and smoothness are unprecedented. I love walking to the coffee table, picking the 7 up, checking my twitter feed, checking the score of the game, etc... One of the other things I enjoy (despite the lower resolution than the TF700), is e-reading. The lack of stress on my wrists makes it an absolute pleasure to read. I can lay on my back, and hold the tablet above my face with one hand, and have no fear of dropping it. There's a lot of little uses I find the 7 brilliant for. My hang up is the idea of a 7" tablet. It's not big enough, but it's not small enough to use with 2 hands making is slightly awkward for some users.
The Infinity is more of a laptop replacement (especially if you get the keyboard dock). I went with the 64gb version, with a 64gb micro SD card. I have not touched my laptop since. If you are looking for a daily web browser, this is your guy. I never have to zoom in to read, the text is crisp/clear, and I don't find myself straining to view websites. That's another advantage of the 10" tablet over the 7". The screen noticeably trumps the Nexus 7, and sometimes it pains me to switch between the two. Although i'm a big fan of Google and Nexus devices I really like what Asus did with their personal widgets and notification bar. Really makes the tablet feel fluid. The downside with the TF700 is most things aren't optimized for the gorgeous display. I'm sad to say, it's almost a waste. That is one area i'll give the nod to IOS for. Apps look grainy with their icons, games can look poor at times, and some games aren't even available at all.
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How does e-reading on the TF700 feel?
The main reason I'm getting a tablet is to do reading and daily browsing,checking for news etc..
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How does e-reading on the TF700 feel?
The main reason I'm getting a tablet is to do reading and daily browsing,checking for news etc..
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Great, very sharp and clear text.
I actually read more on my tablet then on my e- reader. Because of the higher resolution, and that I can easily switch to pocket to read an article or read a magazine with colours.
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Kinda apples to oranges isn't it?
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Depends on what's important to you. It was between the tf700 and the n7 for me too. Both tegra 3, both Asus, similar pixel densities, and before it became the n7, it was officially announced as the 370t, and also had an sd slot and hdmi port. Google lost me when they lost the extras and when Asus made it clear they wouldn't consider a transformer dock on a 7" device (no, I didn't want a smaller dock -- same size dock, smaller slot to put it in, and bonus space for front facing speakers). All extras being equal, I'd have preferred a 7" form factor. A few ended up not being equal.
One area the N7 has the tf700 beat is that it has BT4, while we only have BT3. The 4 is a pretty big jump, enabling super low power accessories. Virtually none exist yet, but they will. Apple's moved their phones and tabs to bt4, and they're a big accessory driver. Another area, arguably, is RAM capacity. They both have the same amount, but the n7 won't need as much to drive its lower res screen down the road. I'd rather have half the storage I have and double the RAM, since I aim to keep this device for many years.
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The larger screen on the tf700 is going to make it a much nicer magazine reader. On the n7, you'd really want to reflow mags into mostly text for readability, but on this you can read mags as they are without having to pan and zoom all over the place. I suspect comics might be more easily consumed on this too, but I'm just guessing, I haven't gotten to that yet. Some websites are going to be much easier to read without panning and zooming, but apps like Google Currents are often far more convenient than the sites themselves anyway -- much better layout on any tab.
Finally, the tf700 has super IPS+, which basically means it can get brighter than virtually any other tab out there. This is touted as being daylight readable, and it is more than any other mobile I've had, but the uber-shininess of the glass and reflections that come from it really mar the outdoor reading experience. In summer heat, the metal exterior sucks up the heat just as fast as you'd expect too. I will use sips+ for outdoor typing once it cools down a little (its been over 110F for me for two weeks), but I haven't decided how much outdoor reading I'll do.
The n7 would be more comfortable to hold for extended periods, both because it's lighter and it has the textured back.
bottom line: please do not compare. of course tf700 is the better option.. its like asking do you like mercedez or kia ?? when the money is not an issue!!
imagine cars said:
bottom line: please do not compare. of course tf700 is the better option.. its like asking do you like mercedez or kia ?? when the money is not an issue!!
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Fragmentation much? We're all android bros, we need to unite to beat the fragmentation and the isheep.
Like others have said, there is no comparison between the two. Both have their pluses and minuses. I own both and enjoy both equally.
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