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Why do people complain so much about the screen?

I was near an Office Depot today and stopped in to see if they had the G Tablet on display. Sure enough there it was very close to the front of the store in an Android tablets display. I had never seen the device in person before and based on what I have been reading I was expecting to see literally the worst screen I have ever seen on a device. Imagine my surprise when I hit the power button and was presented with what was in my opinion a very nice display. Sure if I changed my viewing angle to an unnatural position it started to look worse but it's a tablet! I'm literally always going to have it directly in my line of sight. When used in this manner I thought it looked great!
I have bought and returned an iPad 2 due to terrible backlight bleeding. One thing that struck me as much better about the G Tablet screen was that it was much less pixelated than the iPad 2 screen. Web pages were sharper as was the overall interface. In my opinion the viewing angle issue has been greatly overblown.
This unit on display was running in the classic mode and even then it was quite sluggish. I'm not sure if this should be attributed to the fact that Viewsonic's ROM is simply awful or if this particular unit had an issue. Regardless I'll be rooting and installing one of the preferred ROM's on my device anyway so performance will not be an issue.
For $279 this is looking like quite a value, can't wait to receive it!

Nice to read this. I was also expecting to see a really crappy display that blacks out the second you tilt your head a fraction. Really glad to hear that this isn't the case.
Now I'm about to stand on my head to get a shipping email. Ain't gonna happen until at least Monday.
Good lord. I wasn't this anxious for Xmas when I was a kid ;->

Metal_in_Silk said:
Nice to read this. I was also expecting to see a really crappy display that blacks out the second you tilt your head a fraction. Really glad to hear that this isn't the case.
Now I'm about to stand on my head to get a shipping email. Ain't gonna happen until at least Monday.
Good lord. I wasn't this anxious for Xmas when I was a kid ;->
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You are funny but I get you nothing like the anticipation of a new tech toy. You will love gtab particularly thinking about how much you paid for such a fun device.

The screen is fine in landscape mode as you indeed will position it at a natural angle and everything will be fine. Just so I am clear, by natural, I mean you don't really position the display perfectly flat in front of your eyes, you tend to look at the screen having your eyes positioned higher than the screen (unless your the kind of person who enjoys having his arms in the air). This is when colors are the most uniform from top to bottom. if you were to raise it or lean it back too much so that you end up positioning your eyes lower than the bottom of the tablet, you get past the screen's viewing angle.
This is only problematic in portrait mode (which I seldom use). For example, if you rotate your tablet so that the top is now facing left, you then need to position the tablet to your right a little to get the same color uniformity as you need to keep both your eyes over the top of the tablet.
If they made xooms or ipads with this screen for 300$ in addition to the 600$ "perfect screen", I would chose the 300$ one as you easily get used to it.
To put it in perspective, the touchscreen is not sensitive enough on a tiny area at the top left corner of my g-tablet and I have trouble taping things there (where the home button is located on VEGAn tab and the battery icon on gAdam). Comparatively, this is by far a worst problem than the viewing angle in my mind.

I think it looks bad, when I have it laying down I can't see a thing. When I show friends something I wonder if they can see it. It's not the worst but it could be much better

(Devil's Advocate)
I've had my GTAB since November and I do love the device - it's a modder's dream since it's very difficult to fully brick. Got mine used on the cheap and I feel that the hardware itself is solid. Except the screen.
You are 100% correct that it's fine when using spot-on in landscape, but tilt it ever so slightly down and solarization begins. And, in portrait mode, even the slightest tilt will change the screen image significantly.
I didn't really notice this flaw at first. It really took me at least a week or two of using it for various things before it became noticable. Trying to play a game where you need to move the device around a lot, playing a video when it's flat on the table and you are looking at it from an angle. Or reading comics in portrait mode.
The iPad1, for all its faults (and there are many), has a fantastic IPS screen that eats the GTAB's for lunch. I have a SmartQ R10 with the same screen and that's what I use for reading comics... not the GTAB. I think the screen has been the #1 hardware issue here in XDA since the forum opened - so much so that there are several threads on trying to get a replacement screen that would fit.
Here's a post I made over at Slatedroid comparing the GTAB angles with a Xoom and an R10: http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?/topic/15865-screen-angles/. Those pictures are very accurate.
Not trying to kill people's excitement - just understand what you're getting - it's still a GREAT bargain and a great device. But the screen angles can be a problem, depending on what you use it for.
As for the question on speed -- imo, 3389 (and even the latest 3588 release) are still a bit sluggish, as you mentioned. Several alternate ROMs out there will improve speeds significantly as they are using newer drivers that Viewsonic has yet to incorporate into a released firmware.

I should think that those of us who don't plan to watch videos or play games will be quite satisfied with it.

Thanks for the comparison pictures -- that was a great service to those of us on the fence The viewing angle issue, while noticeable, now seems tolerable to me. I'm torn between grabbing a Xoom tomorrow or ordering a G-tab from Tigerdirect tonight (kicking myself for being such a wuss and not getting it from Woot...). Aside from the screen, my biggest concern is that the G-tab will never get Honeycomb, and if it does, whether or not the lower resolution will make it incompatible with tablet apps. I love Android, but I don't want to use the tablet as an oversized phoneless phone for too long.
Decisions, decisions ...

roebeet said:
Here's a post I made over at Slatedroid comparing the GTAB angles with a Xoom and an R10: http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?/topic/15865-screen-angles/. Those pictures are very accurate
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From those pictures I doesn't look that bad. Sure IPS has better viewing angles, but most people use a TFT monitor on their computer at home, and they dont complain. There is a down side to IPS and its the refresh rate that can cause ghosting. Plus think of it as a semi security feature, it will be harder for people to look over your shoulder and see what you are up to.

Google seems to be really bent out of shape with getting AOSP out for 3.0 - my guess is that Moto is really paying them them a nice sum to keep the Xoom as the ONLY HC device around.
If one Harmony based device gets HC, someone will probably manage to port it to ours. We just need that first device to get it. But that may not be for a long time. And agreed on the screen, but keep in mind that the Notion Ink Adam has the same screen so if they manage to port it, then the GTAB will likely get it.
LowSky said:
From those pictures I doesn't look that bad. Sure IPS has better viewing angles, but most people use a TFT monitor on their computer at home, and they dont complain. There is a down side to IPS and its the refresh rate that can cause ghosting. Plus think of it as a semi security feature, it will be harder for people to look over your shoulder and see what you are up to.
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Agreed - the bottom line it what you plan to do with the device. Spot-on landscape mode looks like just like a netbook screen, because that's exactly what's in the GTAB.

docprego said:
I was near an Office Depot today and stopped in to see if they had the G Tablet on display. Sure enough there it was very close to the front of the store in an Android tablets display. I had never seen the device in person before and based on what I have been reading I was expecting to see literally the worst screen I have ever seen on a device. Imagine my surprise when I hit the power button and was presented with what was in my opinion a very nice display. Sure if I changed my viewing angle to an unnatural position it started to look worse but it's a tablet! I'm literally always going to have it directly in my line of sight. When used in this manner I thought it looked great!
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People like to exaggerate. I don't know why, but they like to do it. It's also because this unit doesn't cost as much as, say, the ipad.
My brother, someone who always wants the newest and greatest, came over to visit today with his 2 kids. I let the kids play with the device because they were curious. My brother started criticizing it after I told him how much I paid for it. First, he criticized it for the small internal sdcard. I had to tell him that the ipad has the same amount of internal space. He then accused the battery of not lasting long enough. I had to tell him that actually it's right up there with the ipad. He then picked it up and said it was too heavy. I told him that it only weighed .22 lb more than the ipad. Not to be outdone, he claimed that .22 was too much more than his ipad. He then said it must be really really slow. I brought it over to him and showed him that it was running just as fast as his ipad. He started playing with it and then he said "aha, it doesn't have 3g."
The point is he had never seen the gtab before. Actually, he had never heard of it before. Yet, he didn't like it at all. It was obvious he was desperately looking for reasons not to like it.
I did notice that even though he was looking for every reason to criticize it he never noticed the screen being "bad". So, obviously the gtab screen isn't really that bad. People online who are bashing this device describing the screen as the worst thing ever to have existed (or something like that) are just exaggerating because they are looking for a reason to bash the device.
It's no different than a typical netbook or laptop screen. Why the bloody hell is it a life and death issue all the sudden?

goodintentions said:
It's no different than a typical netbook or laptop screen. Why the bloody hell is it a life and death issue all the sudden?
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Because with a netbook / laptop screen, you are looking at it at the same angle 90% of the time. A tablet is a different animal - you have it flat on your desk, or in portrait mode reading a book, or moving it around if you're playing a game. It's not at the same landscape mode / angle all the time. Completely different device.
Here's a perfect example: I was playing that evil and life-draining game Angry Birds earlier today. On my Xoom tablet, I have a tendency to play it where the screen is leaning back slightly on my palm, as that's comfortable for one handed play. Screen is fine. But on the GTAB, when I play it that way the screen solarization can be seen - I have to force it to be more spot-on to my line of sight, but that's not as comfortable in my hand.
That's the difference, and why it's not really that noticeable until you really start using it day-to-day for a long period of time.

Don't get me wrong. I notice it, too. It just doesn't bother me like it supposedly bother other people. But then again, I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv, so I guess my standards aren't as high as yours.

Thanks for the link to the comparison roebeet. I think I can live with that. One of my (major) pet peeves is having a co-worker peer over at what I'm doing, makes me want to do a Three Stooges eyepoke. This should actually work in my favor as:
1) I won't have to outen some nosy body's eyes when I check msgs
2) Will probably save my job and/or a lawsuit one day (see #1)
Still excited and bouncing in anticipation LOL it's been ages since I've played around with mods on a device. Really looking forward to it

Metal_in_Silk said:
Still excited and bouncing in anticipation LOL it's been ages since I've played around with mods on a device. Really looking forward to it
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Just ordered mine, in the same boat as you Tigerdirect the estimated arrive date as the 29th, but Memphis tends to get things a little quicker *fingers crossed*

goodintentions said:
Don't get me wrong. I notice it, too. It just doesn't bother me like it supposedly bother other people. But then again, I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv, so I guess my standards aren't as high as yours.
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In my house, my kids call me "the cheapskate". I set new lows for standards.
And at least you had a TV - I used to make dioramas with cartoon cutouts in them to make my own cartoon shows. And I liked it!

dfin13 said:
Just ordered mine, in the same boat as you Tigerdirect the estimated arrive date as the 29th, but Memphis tends to get things a little quicker *fingers crossed*
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Lucky you! You'll be modding and playing Angry Birds while I'm still waiting on a shipment confirmation
Srsly, this is gonna be some fun. The screen doesn't suck as bad as I thought it would and playing with the various mods will be a very welcome distraction from doing ppls taxes

roebeet said:
In my house, my kids call me "the cheapskate". I set new lows for standards.
And at least you had a TV - I used to make diarrheas with cartoon cutouts in them to make my own cartoon shows. And I liked it!
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Now THAT was an interesting mental image

dfin13 said:
Thanks for the comparison pictures -- that was a great service to those of us on the fence The viewing angle issue, while noticeable, now seems tolerable to me. I'm torn between grabbing a Xoom tomorrow or ordering a G-tab from Tigerdirect tonight (kicking myself for being such a wuss and not getting it from Woot...). Aside from the screen, my biggest concern is that the G-tab will never get Honeycomb, and if it does, whether or not the lower resolution will make it incompatible with tablet apps. I love Android, but I don't want to use the tablet as an oversized phoneless phone for too long.
Decisions, decisions ...
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When I played with the xoom up close I noticed the bad viewing angles too. At that price unacceptable but at the price of the g tab understable they already gave you quite a lot for little money, costs had to be cut somewhere. Xoom should be top notch. I started to buy it until I saw the viewing angles and build. The SmartQ awesome. I actually need another tab for work with a different operating system but did not find the ipad engaging enough. I hate the slow rate of trickle with these tabs.
Looking at the last picture unless they were swapped the xoom looked washed out to me. SmartQ held it's own in every picture.

Metal_in_Silk said:
Now THAT was an interesting mental image
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Darn spell check screwed up. But maybe I should have left it - it was a more interesting response!
edirector said:
When I played with the xoom up close I noticed the bad viewing angles too. At that price unacceptable but at the price of the g tab understable they already gave you quite a lot for little money, costs had to be cut somewhere. Xoom should be top notch. I started to buy it until I saw the viewing angles and build. The SmartQ awesome. I actually need another tab for work with a different operating system but did not find the ipad engaging enough. I hate the slow rate of trickle with these tabs.
Looking at the last picture unless they were swapped the xoom looked washed out to me. SmartQ held it's own in every picture.
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Yeah, it's a bit washed out once the angles go past a certain point - I think it's just the nature of a TFT screen and probably can't be avoided. But slight angles (which you can't really see in those pics) are very good on the Xoom.
And x2 on the GTAB comment. At less than half price, it's still a bargain. We don't have HC either, but that's something that's potentially fixable, at least.
As for the SmartQ R10, the angles are great but it's a slow-as-molasses device (Telechips CPU with Android 2.1, only) - works fine as a cbz reader, however. What I'm still waiting for is an IPS screen paired with a Tegra 2 chipset. They are coming this year, allegedly.

[Q] Has anybody been able to compare the Eee Pad to the Viewsonic G Tablet?

I have read really good things about the Eee Pad Transformer. Anybody had a chance to compare it to the Viewsonic G Tab? I have the G Tab and was considering buying a different Android tablet eventually with better viewing angles. I am really pleased with the hardware and performance of the G Tab but the viewing angles have a long way to go. I would love to hear opinions from anyone who has had a chance to check out both.

I bought the gtablet when it ws on woot. Spent $45 in accessories too. Then i saw the Transformer and it's pricing. Returned the gtablet asap to woot.
I wanted Honeycomb nd youre not going to get a good rom of it anytime soon. The viewing angle of the gtablet started to get annoying too. I had it for 2 weeks. Even just looking at it dead on and not moving your head, you get a sort of hologram type view in your eyes. I couldn't stand it.
I dont remember the exact weight of the gtablet, but loving the Transformer. It seems lighter. The sides are tapered also, so holding it is easier.
Got the Transformer today and couldn't be more happier!
EDIT: Just remember from reading other people's gTablet experiences. I too suffered bad touch screen responsiveness at the edges of the screen, drove me crazy.
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its day and night comparison. TF screen even blows away the xoom, and is as good as my ipad.

I got a GTablet when it first came out last November and I still own it (it helps with Android development) but the Transformer is WAY better. Looks better, feels better in the hand, lighter, better weight distribution and OMG the screen is *so much nicer*. Viewing angles on the GTablet are especially bad and on the Transformer especially good. Haven't had a single issue with responsiveness on the Transformer screen while I sometimes have roving 'dead areas' of the screen with the GTablet that cause me to constantly recalibrate it.
Also being able to run Honeycomb is nice (still wish Google would AOSP Honeycomb so I could run it on the Gtablet too). Lots of little things like the better multipane gmail app really add up to a much better experience.

I had a G Tablet for a little while and I just received my Transformer on Friday. The screen is waaaay better! I have an iPad 2 ( I'm a developer and I get to try a lot of products) and the Transformer's screen is just as good. I don't think there is a better screen on a tablet right now. Transformer is excellent value for the money you pay- overall quality is much higher than the G Tablet in my opinion.

DraglineDrummer said:
I am really pleased with the hardware and performance of the G Tab but the viewing angles have a long way to go.
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That's an understatement. When I bought my gTab, I thought the screen was "good enough" because I paid $300 for it. Then the Transformer came along for a mere $100 more, and I sold my gTab and spent a tablet-less week waiting for the 26th. Totally worth it, this screen is what a tablet screen should be -- perfect from any angle.
I liked the gTab and the devs for it are great, but that cheapo netbook screen ruined a promising piece of hardware.

My G tablet will still kick all of your Asus. You can just read the results better on your screens. Heh. I will be buying the Transformer and giving my g tablet to my son. I have been watching this forum to see what is happening with the Transformer for several weeks. I am really impressed with the support for the g tablet and im sure the Transformer will get there eventually. Overclocking and custom roms have put the g tablet in the top spot at Antutu. I am currently in 8th place and my Smartbench scores are way higher than the Xoom. I don't see the transformer having any real presence yet because there have been no real tweaks to the tablet yet and so it is probably on par with the xoom performance wise? I look forward to getting my Transformer and seeing where things go with the software in the future. Enjoy!
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Thanks everybody. I really appreciate it. That's what I was afraid of. Well, looks like I'm selling the G-Tab. I don't use it often but I could see more use with the better screen of the Asus and I really wanted it for the main purpose as an E-reader and light internet surfing. I think I'd be a lot better off with the Asus especially with the keyboard dock which I should have just waited but I guess hindsight is always 20/20 and something better will always come along.

I've been using the Transformer to read books before bed, and it definitely serves that purpose better than the gTab did because of the screen. I basically hold the Transformer upright on my stomach as I'm laying down and it looks great -- holding the gTab at that angle made things loopy.
I don't envy you trying to sell the gTab though -- the value has dropped like crazy the past couple of weeks, and you're bound to be disappointed at what you get. I was able to sell mine on Craigslist for $300 (with the M1 case), but I doubt that'd be the case today.

i just got 250 out of my g tablet. but i could have gotten 275 if i held out... I paid 299. americantv has them for 299 right now as well.
They are a really solid tablet, i liked it a lot...usb ports on board was amazingly nice. viewing angles were bad, but thats not a big deal to me.
i just wanted a more netbook convertible option, hence the transformer, which is on a truck for delivery right now. come on fedex man

To me there is no comparison between the two. Market works great without having to fiddle with my dpi setting. The screen on the Asus is great. I like using portrait mode for pdfs, books and on the Gtablet portrait mode sucked. Even if you looked straight on I had color shifting. Weight the transformer wins hands down. Build quality and thickness, again the transformer feels so much better. Oh and the fact that the Transformer doesn't have touch sensitive buttons on the bezel helps so much in holding it and not accidentally hitting home menu or back.

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I don't envy you trying to sell the gTab though -- the value has dropped like crazy the past couple of weeks, and you're bound to be disappointed at what you get. I was able to sell mine on Craigslist for $300 (with the M1 case), but I doubt that'd be the case today.
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Yeah, I thought that it would probably be difficult. I would take 250-275. I'm hoping for more but I have a feeling even 250-275 is a hope. I think I'm just gonna have to bite the bullet and take what I can get and I think the longer it goes the worse it will be. It's a shame to because I paid full price for it. Oh well, I guess that's how it goes.

DraglineDrummer said:
Thanks everybody. I really appreciate it. That's what I was afraid of. Well, looks like I'm selling the G-Tab. I don't use it often but I could see more use with the better screen of the Asus and I really wanted it for the main purpose as an E-reader and light internet surfing. I think I'd be a lot better off with the Asus especially with the keyboard dock which I should have just waited but I guess hindsight is always 20/20 and something better will always come along.
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Yep, you just summed it up. The screen on the TF is soooooo much nicer that your reading and surfing will be much more enjoyable.
I tried reading on my gTablet a few times - and my eyes just got all googly!
And having the keyboard dock available for when you wanna be productive will be great.
ONE THING I will point out - and subtract points from the TF for... The edges.
Compared to my gTablet, when I held my TF for the first time today, I felt like the tablet's edges were constructed with dull razor blades!!
OK, I'm sure I'll get used to it - and the BACK of it feels great... but those edges are not buttery smooth like our beloved gTablets!
(Don't let that hold ya back tho!)

Same as everyone else said.
-Touch Screen is much more responsive
- Screen is beautiful
- Device feels lighter and slimmer
- Device LOOKS high quality compared to GTAB
- I could go on and on.
I do miss the simple charging port, USB ports, CM7 etc of the GTAB

what's with all the people complaining about the TF101's bezel edge? You must all have soft feminine hands to get hurt so easily.

Well, that edge is a little sharp -- it was actually the first thing I noticed when I held it. I don't find it to be a problem at all, maybe because mine stays in the Asus case 99% of the time. But when I do take it out, it's noticeable, but not so much that I care.

pogul said:
Yep, you just summed it up. The screen on the TF is soooooo much nicer that your reading and surfing will be much more enjoyable.
I tried reading on my gTablet a few times - and my eyes just got all googly!
And having the keyboard dock available for when you wanna be productive will be great.
ONE THING I will point out - and subtract points from the TF for... The edges.
Compared to my gTablet, when I held my TF for the first time today, I felt like the tablet's edges were constructed with dull razor blades!!
OK, I'm sure I'll get used to it - and the BACK of it feels great... but those edges are not buttery smooth like our beloved gTablets!
(Don't let that hold ya back tho!)
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I will gladly take razor blades on all sides if it does not make me crosseyed when trying to read on it.

DraglineDrummer said:
I have read really good things about the Eee Pad Transformer. Anybody had a chance to compare it to the Viewsonic G Tab? I have the G Tab and was considering buying a different Android tablet eventually with better viewing angles. I am really pleased with the hardware and performance of the G Tab but the viewing angles have a long way to go. I would love to hear opinions from anyone who has had a chance to check out both.
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I had a G-tablet which I returned when I heard the Transformer was coming out (I now have the Transformer). They're night-and-day different in quality, favoring the Transformer... its screen is gorgeous, great color/brightness/perfect viewing angles.
The Honeycomb Android OS is better-suited for a tablet and just as fast as any custom ROMs I had seen for the Gtablet. The Asus Transformer feels better-distributed in weight when holding it, and thinner. The build quality is far, far better, and the thing just flat-out works perfectly. The screen resolution makes web browsing a lot nicer as well.
The G-tablet's screen was just unbearably bad, you'd lose contrast/brightness significantly just from a 5-10 degree normal-holding-angle position in your hands, and the screen quality + resolution were far worse. This really translates into all aspects of using the tablet, but especially when reading the on the Transformer, it's a lot better. Portrait mode makes a huge difference to have as a viable reading option!
DEFINITELY go for the Transformer if it's an option... it's just a much, much, much, much (x"A LOT!") better tablet.
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I will gladly take razor blades on all sides if it does not make me crosseyed when trying to read on it.
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Heh, I've heard some people's are sharper than others, mine is very dull on the edges and comfy to hold *shrug*.

seshmaru said:
what's with all the people complaining about the TF101's bezel edge? You must all have soft feminine hands to get hurt so easily.
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^^^^^^^^^^

GoldenTiger said:
I had a G-tablet which I returned when I heard the Transformer was coming out (I now have the Transformer). They're night-and-day different in quality, favoring the Transformer... its screen is gorgeous, great color/brightness/perfect viewing angles.
The Honeycomb Android OS is better-suited for a tablet and just as fast as any custom ROMs I had seen for the Gtablet. The Asus Transformer feels better-distributed in weight when holding it, and thinner. The build quality is far, far better, and the thing just flat-out works perfectly. The screen resolution makes web browsing a lot nicer as well.
The G-tablet's screen was just unbearably bad, you'd lose contrast/brightness significantly just from a 5-10 degree normal-holding-angle position in your hands, and the screen quality + resolution were far worse.
DEFINITELY go for the Transformer if it's an option... it's just a much, much, much, much (x"A LOT!") better tablet.
Heh, I've heard some people's are sharper than others, mine is very dull on the edges and comfy to hold *shrug*.
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Love my G-tablet, but not the display. Anyway, I bought the G-tablet on sale to learn how to mod with new ROMs, etc, and have really had fun customizing it. If they could slap a good screen on the G-tablet it would really be a nice tablet. However, I will move on the the TF this summer. By the time I order one the brick and video issues should be solved and everyone should have stock by then. Played with the Acer today at BestBuy. Man, it was heavy! But I really like the Honeycomb OS and am anxious to move to that platform. I was pleased to see that the Acer screen was much better than the G-tablet. Also waiting on the Samsung 10.1 Gtab too. Its screen is supposed to be a step-up even from the Transformer. All you guys and gals get the bugs worked out for those of us who must wait a few more months. Thanks.

[Q] Acer A500 vs. Asus TF101 (Transformer)

So I'm in a bit of a pickle, I can't decide if I should keep my Acer or my Asus. I have both right now but will be returning one of them, so I'm looking for any differentiators I can use to decide, here's what I've got:
Acer:
- USB support right out of the box (not planning on currently picking up the ASUS keyboard)
- Feels sturdier
- Power connector isn't proprietary
- Rotation lock is a physical button, I find I use that a lot.
- Not quite as wide as the Asus.
- Plays youtube HD smoothly in the Youtube app. This seems very strange, given they are identical hardware wise, but the Asus stutters when watching HD in the YouTube app. The Acer doesn't, for whatever reason. I can get around it by watching in the browser... but I like the app.
Asus:
- Feels snappier (might be my imagination, also I got this one 'later' so maybe the Acer is just a little extra bogged down by apps... though I have gotten them both to an identical state and the Asus seems to still have a very slight edge).
- Slightly better screen. It is noticeable when watching the same video content side by side.
- Gorilla Glass? (I can't confirm whether the Acer has this or not, have seen many posts both ways, and seen Acer confirm it both ways)
- Slightly lighter and very slightly thinner.
- Better sound (just seems better flat out, headphones are identical)
- Keyboard dock add on (though I am not planning to pick that up yet).
- $50 cheaper, though I had to pay $20 shipping so the net is $30 back to me. Not a big deal.
Any additional information, or things I should consider? I really don't know which to choose!

I'd choose the ASUS Transformer
The ASUS comes preloaded with a lot of nice apps and widgets. I LOVE the feature that I can use splashtop without any prior experience and connect to my shared media on my PC, also without changing any settings.
The wider bezel is great in my opinion. I had the XOOM and when I was holding it in one hand I would always touch the screen by accident; and I do not have big hands!
Even though you don't plan on picking up the dock you should It is an amazing piece of hardware.
I cannot comment on the comparison since I never touched the Acer but I can tell you that I am very pleased with the ASUS and it gets nice support from the devs here and ASUS directly.

Thanks funnycreature, I should elaborate a bit more on my original post.
To add to the list above, the Asus has some light bleeding on the screen, in 3 spaces. This doesn't really bother me, but it is definitely there, and not on the Acer. I have not really used the prepackaged apps on either device much, so I can't comment on that. I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it. I like the size of it, I didn't have the width issues you did, and I think the Asus is a bit too wide. The Acer is the middleground there. Having gotten the Thumb Keyboard now though... it is not nearly as big of an issue.
If all things were equal, I would keep the Asus. I bought it because that was my intention, but once getting it I found it was a much tougher call than I initially suspected. If that Youtube app problem wasn't there.... the Acer would be back at the store. But that scares me a little bit, and I don't know if it will *ever* truly get fixed (and I watch a lot of Youtube videos on my tablet while the wife is asleep!). It is a very, very close comparison.
The other bonus for the Asus that I didn't mention, though, is that it has about 3x the community here on XDA, which I'll go ahead and assume means 3x the development effort. That is nice to know.

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Thanks funnycreature, I should elaborate a bit more on my original post.
To add to the list above, the Asus has some light bleeding on the screen, in 3 spaces. This doesn't really bother me, but it is definitely there, and not on the Acer. I have not really used the prepackaged apps on either device much, so I can't comment on that. I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it. I like the size of it, I didn't have the width issues you did, and I think the Asus is a bit too wide. The Acer is the middleground there. Having gotten the Thumb Keyboard now though... it is not nearly as big of an issue.
If all things were equal, I would keep the Asus. I bought it because that was my intention, but once getting it I found it was a much tougher call than I initially suspected. If that Youtube app problem wasn't there.... the Acer would be back at the store. But that scares me a little bit, and I don't know if it will *ever* truly get fixed (and I watch a lot of Youtube videos on my tablet while the wife is asleep!). It is a very, very close comparison.
The other bonus for the Asus that I didn't mention, though, is that it has about 3x the community here on XDA, which I'll go ahead and assume means 3x the development effort. That is nice to know.
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The bleed seems to be an illness of the mobile IPS displays and since the Acer most likely doesn't have an IPS it won't show the bleed. I hardly notice it and it doesn't really bother me. I also hardly ever watch YouTube videos
You should try experiencing more what each device can do beside watching videos. Maybe that will make the decision easier!

I find it strange that you order 3 tables and only keep one! What do you do with the tables you don't keep?

Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit.

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Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit.
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That's why I say "Tablets are like shoes, they need to fit you and the purpose"

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I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it.
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That's quite interesting for me, how did you find the Xoom's screen, was it acceptable? I returned my TF and am now thinking of getting either a Xoom or wait and see ho much the GT 10.1 will be here in the UK. I'm getting cheesed off waiting for the GT specs and price though. :-(

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That's quite interesting for me, how did you find the Xoom's screen, was it acceptable? I returned my TF and am now thinking of getting either a Xoom or wait and see ho much the GT 10.1 will be here in the UK. I'm getting cheesed off waiting for the GT specs and price though. :-(
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Well, it was definitely on par with the Acer. I didn't have the Asus/Xoom at the same time so I couldn't compare them side by side. I didn't even know there was a difference until I got the Acer/Asus side by side, but the Asus is the winner. It is not huge though, not at all, in fact someone else brought it up before I even noticed it. When you run media, like a video, side by side you can see the colors are slightly richer on the Asus. I am sure that is a 16m colors vs. 256k colors issue. The Xoom was at least Acer quality, could have been Asus, not sure, I would find out what panel it has and that should tell you. It was a good device, basically identical I just liked the form factor a little more (less wasted space). I would have paid a ~$30 premium for it, but definitely not $200. Why did you return your TF?
Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit
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Sort of, but we aren't talking about your favorite flavor of pizza here. There are completely objective differences here, and things that are in fact just "better." I asked this forum because it is more lively than the Acer forum, and I think I lean *ever so slightly* towards the Asus anyway (maybe just because I have an asus laptop). People here are truly in the know, I figured if there was a difference I didn't know about, maybe I could learn. And if someone was interested in the differences in the 3 android honeycomb tablets, maybe they could learn something from my post, since I've owned all 3 now.
I find it strange that you order 3 tables and only keep one! What do you do with the tables you don't keep?
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I return them. I don't usually do anything like that, it just happened to work out this time. I bought the Xoom, liked it, but decided that for $600 it just wasn't enough. I went back and they had the Acer in stock, so I picked that up. I saw they had the Asus in stock online like a week later, and decided what the hell, I've tried the other 2 now let's give it a go. I expect the Asus to win in a landslide... I didn't think my decision would be difficult.
Thanks for all the replies!

I had an Acer and currently have an Asus and the Acer felt much heavier especially when holding it in one hand. The metal construction gave it a nice quality feel, but it also made the back of the device slippery and a little harder to hold than the Asus. The Asus feels a little snappier, I noticed lag on the unlock screen of the Acer. However, the Acer seemed to have a more responsive touch screen. When I first received the Asus I noticed I had to tap the screen a little harder than the Acer, now I'm used to it and is no longer an issue. Also the Asus seems to be more hackable than the Acer, I believe the Acer still has a locked bootloader and the devs are having trouble putting clockworkmod recovery on the device. My Acer did play YouTube videos in the app better than the Asus.
I am happy with the Asus, I just need to find the keyboard dock. It seems to run smoother, the devs seem to be having success with Modding the transformer, and Asus seems to be ontop of things.
P.S typed this all on my transformer gotta love the tumb keyboard.

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It was due to what I consider to have been poor build quality, light bleed, creaky housing. I hope that this was just an initial manufacturing issue and that Asus will get to grips with it very soon and will produce a better Transformer. Of course there are people here who have had better units without these problems, I wasn't so lucky.
I like the solid construction of the Xoom, not so much the screen but I could get used to that I suppose. The Xoom is more expensive than the TF and that's a major consideration, also I'm not so sure that the Xoom will be as well supported as the TF, by both Motorola and not forgetting the guys here at XDA. There's a lot off stuff going off in this section.
I really am in limbo here trying to make the right decision.

also I returned my Acer because the GPS SUCKED. the Acer took forever to get a GPS lock and would lose the GPS signal randomly under a clear sky. I haven't gotten a chance to test the GPS on the transformer but I heard that it is good.

I looked at the Acer. Found it a nice tab - far better than the over priced, heavy Xoom (that I once owned 2 - until the TF came along and put them to shame).
But the Acer isn't as nice (on the pocketbook) as the TF, nor as versatile. Having the dock is nice - I don't use it often, but comes in very handy when wanting more bat life, more ports, faster typing - the kb dock is well executed. A benny of buying the kb dock is the clamshell design makes having a case unnecessary imo - stuffed it into my carry on luggage on my trip to Hawaii and no problems.
But if you don't want the dock, I'd go for the Acer due to full size USB on the tablet itself (that's the only thing I wanted extra on the TF). Marginally worse screen isn't a big deal. Didn't check the speakers, but if you say the TF is better, then the Acer's speakers must blow...
But you might also want to check the new Gal Tab 10 when it releases in the near future.

the transformer is great bang for the buck, and I like tablets with bigger bezels like the Asus and the Acer. I guess I have fat fingers because it was hard to hold the xoom with one hand without touching the screen by accident. but the xoom should always get honeycomb updates first, and should be the most hackable.

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also I returned my Acer because the GPS SUCKED. the Acer took forever to get a GPS lock and would lose the GPS signal randomly under a clear sky. I haven't gotten a chance to test the GPS on the transformer but I heard that it is good.
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The one that I had worked very well, even got a lock in my front room where my HTC Desire couldn't.
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the transformer is great bang for the buck, and I like tablets with bigger bezels like the Asus and the Acer. I guess I have fat fingers because it was hard to hold the xoom with one hand without touching the screen by accident. but the xoom should always get honeycomb updates first, and should be the most hackable.
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Hmmm, unless you're in the UK.

Transformer
I'd say TF, I found the Acer very heavy and the screen is not as sharp. The TF has lots of great widgets and the ability to remote desktop into your pc or mac.
I use that feature a lot, it comes in handy.
Polaris office is also another good feature. The Acer does have that usb port on the tablet, but the keyboard that attaches to it seems flimsy and the tablet doesn't attach 100% to it. And the dock doesn't have an extra battery.
I find that the TF gives me lots of options for expandability and ease of use.
Both are good choices, but the TF comes out on top imo.

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It was due to what I consider to have been poor build quality, light bleed, creaky housing. I hope that this was just an initial manufacturing issue and that Asus will get to grips with it very soon and will produce a better Transformer. Of course there are people here who have had better units without these problems, I wasn't so lucky.
I like the solid construction of the Xoom, not so much the screen but I could get used to that I suppose. The Xoom is more expensive than the TF and that's a major consideration, also I'm not so sure that the Xoom will be as well supported as the TF, by both Motorola and not forgetting the guys here at XDA. There's a lot off stuff going off in this section.
I really am in limbo here trying to make the right decision.
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I use to own the Xoom and its a great device but way overpriced & the screen isn't that good. The price you save by going TF again can go towards a dock. I have shown my ex-Xoom & TF dock to many family members, friends & co-workers. All of them love the TF over the Xoom & many of them plan to get the TF & dock once they are able to find them.
Like someone said earlier, its all personal preference but for me, it's TF all the way.

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Well, it was definitely on par with the Acer. I didn't have the Asus/Xoom at the same time so I couldn't compare them side by side.
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I know I just wrote that it's all subjective, but really I meant that in total. I'll say this as well: I have a Xoom and a TF sitting side by side right now (still haven't returned the Xoom to Costco, been busy), and the TF screen is heads and shoulders better than the Xoom's.
First, the angles are better. Much better. Like, night and day difference better. Second, colors on the TF are much more natural--the Xoom tends to be VERY cold (i.e., has a very strong blue tint). There are apparently two different Xoom screens floating around, each with their advantages/disadvantages, and the one I have is not even close to the TF.
In fact, even if the Xoom cost less than the TF, and even if the TF didn't have the dock, I'd still keep the TF over the Xoom on the strength of the screen alone.

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In fact, even if the Xoom cost less than the TF, and even if the TF didn't have the dock, I'd still keep the TF over the Xoom on the strength of the screen alone.
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That's the big draw, the screen (when it's OK) is head and shoulders above most of the other tablets without the IPS screens and obviously the price is right too.
I'm getting p*ssed off going back and forth to this and that tablet, each have their plus and minuses. I can see me getting another Transformer at this rate ... IT BETTER BE BETTER THAN MY OTHERS!

I had Iconia and was good, except for the wifi problems and the constant turning on when in sleep. The new software fixes them. I returned it because the screen was inferior to the transformer, the metal housing was to damn slippery...dropped it on carpet a few times...the weight of it..the thickness of it and the main was the better development community here for the transformer. It is really a good tablet(Iconia) but did not suit me.

Transformer vs. Iconia vs. Thrive

Just a quick overview: I was in Best Buy the other night, and fortunately, they had all 3 machines not only powered on, but also on WiFi. I couldn't resist this, since I'm beginning to seriously look at a 10" tab to replace my oft maligned (And rightly so) Gentough78. (Yeah, yeah.. I know) Anyway, having all 3 side by side was nice. Here's my thoughts:
Screen: The winner was the Thrive. It had very good contrast. The other 2 were completely acceptable though.
Case: I like the rubberized backing of the Thrive a LOT. That being said, it was a close 2nd place to the Xformer (Heretofore called the XF). Didn't care for the clunkiness of the Iconia.
WiFi performance: The Iconia stuttered a lot on the youtube video I was playing. The other 2 seemed to handle this just fine.
WiFi Tethering: The XF was the only one of the 3 that saw my hotspot on my Epic. This is a pretty big deal.
Snappiness: Hard to tell the diff between the 3, honestly. They were all nice.
Dock: Obviously this is an awesome on the XF
So... overall, as it stands, I'm seriously looking at the XF as my tab of choice. Just thought I'd share my thoughts here. How's the tun.ko working out on IPSEC VPN???

Fellow epic user! I was faced with the same decision and got the TF because of the hotspot issue. I have no regrets and i dont even have the dock. I use my stylus for most everything. I also like how the OS has no annoying UI over top.
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i currently have both the thrive and transformer and i have to say you are wrong, the IPS display on the transformer is noticeably better. It's richer in color and has better viewing angles. I am returning the thrive because its just too fat!

Either way, they are good choices. I really don't need the ports on the Thrive, and I really like the TF's weight and thinness compared to the Thrive since I usually throw it in my bag, or walk around carrying it in my hand when I'm using it as a Mp3 player (which is all the time). Since the Thrive has a LED screen, blacks are probably darker than on the TF but I haven't tested.

shubonker said:
i currently have both the thrive and transformer and i have to say you are wrong, the IPS display on the transformer is noticeably better. It's richer in color and has better viewing angles. I am returning the thrive because its just too fat!
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I agree, I found the TF screen to be superior. The only other andriod tablet I thought had a display that could compete with the TF was the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Did you check to see if the brightness setting where set to the same approximate
brightness.

You can't test anything in 20 minutes at best buy. They all are a tie because ech line has a feature specific to its self. I think it comes down to personal preference and how will it be used. I chose the Asus because of the free software Splashtop and Polaris, but do wn a Acer too. The Acer states hooked up to my TV with wireless keyboard and mouse to stream movies or surf the web.
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I made this thread to help kinda sort what each tablet has (most of them out there), might help you pinpoint.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AnAJoa0-ynONdE1TT1RSdTcxbmRFeE5mdl9jdzZDb3c&output=html

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Did you check to see if the brightness setting where set to the same approximate
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Nope... should have. In all fairness, the screens were in pretty mucky shape too. They all had streaks and smudges from all of the dirty fingers of the crumb crunchers who had played with them. The 2 Xooms wouldn't even come on, so I didn't check them out (Although in all fairness, the $100 extra kind of excluded them anyway)
When I get a little closer to being actually able to afford one (I'm just over 1/2 way there now), I'll go give them a lot closer look, and I'll probably bring a microfibre cloth. I'd never let any of my screens get that nasty.
And I'll pay extra close attention to the viewing angles. That's something I hadn't thought of.

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Nope... should have. In all fairness, the screens were in pretty mucky shape too. They all had streaks and smudges from all of the dirty fingers of the crumb crunchers who had played with them. The 2 Xooms wouldn't even come on, so I didn't check them out (Although in all fairness, the $100 extra kind of excluded them anyway)
When I get a little closer to being actually able to afford one (I'm just over 1/2 way there now), I'll go give them a lot closer look, and I'll probably bring a microfibre cloth. I'd never let any of my screens get that nasty.
And I'll pay extra close attention to the viewing angles. That's something I hadn't thought of.
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The Xoom, the screen isn't as good as the others. The color temp and viewing angle are inferior.
http://dustinwilkins.com/2011/05/03/it-is-all-about-the-screen-transformer-vs-xoom/
http://androidforums.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer/327231-transformer-vs-xoom-screen.html
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/17404-screen-comparison-versus-a-xoom-with-pics/

I bought the Iconia and returned it. I just thought the plastic port area on the sites ruined the high-end feel of the brushed metal. And it was too heavy to comfortably hold while reading. I love the ports though. The Toshiba tablet was just too huge. My TF is great. But build quality is so-so; I got a squeeky area around the power button. No big deal though.

Asus TF has the best screen and the value-for-money dock
Iconia has the full size usb port
Thrive has the full size usb port and hdmi port but loses out on weight and bulkiness.
and all three devices uses the same SoC, the Tegra2 so i wouldn't compare performance.
and there are other scientific ways to test the WiFi performance than testing with a youtube video

jananan said:
Asus TF has the best screen and the value-for-money dock
Iconia has the full size usb port
Thrive has the full size usb port and hdmi port but loses out on weight and bulkiness.
and all three devices uses the same SoC, the Tegra2 so i wouldn't compare performance.
and there are other scientific ways to test the WiFi performance than testing with a youtube video
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Sure, but with a locked down market and running fast through the testing since other people were looking, it was the 1st thing that came to mind. I'm not a professional reviewer, I just play one on TV...

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I made this thread to help kinda sort what each tablet has (most of them out there), might help you pinpoint.
(Google Docs link in original post)
Hey Dude; terrific work.
Saved me the hassle
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I'd get the transformer. If you're referencing the BF deal then the Asus has 16gb for $250 while the Thrive is 8gb for $275. To me, that's no contest.

Asus infinity and not 10.1

I have both devices and would like to help people who have questions on the devices. So fire away.
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I have both devices and would like to help people who have questions on the devices. So fire away.
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That's great Well, I'm buying my first tablet and I've read many reviews and many comparisons between those 2 tablets, and I know almost everything about them. The only thing left is something that can't be written down or recorded Just out of those 2, which one is faster I know it seems like a general question but I'm talking about raw performance. As in, which one will open applications a lot faster and load them a lot faster. You know, browsers and so on.
I'd appreciate it, thanks

Im going to have to give the edge to the note. The combination of lower resolution and 2gigs of ram make it super fast. When i open an app on both devices at the same time i will say the note wins a majority of the time. When it comes to web browsing the note is a clear cut winner when scrolling through pages very little hangups. The infinity isnt far behind though and i am not a fanboy for either device i think they are both great but raw performance goes to the note.
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I spend a hour testing a Galaxy Note at a local store. Because my first TF700T was broken and I decided to test the Samsung to be sure that I pick the right one again.
Yes it's fast, but fast is not everything. Haptics, design and ergonomics goes pretty clear to ASUS.
That the ASUS is slower is just a matter of the Screen Resolution. Android is not optimized for this screen size now.
So if you have a Samsung device with the same stunning display you will see that it doesn't matters wich Company you choose if the OS isn't made for it.
Plastics against metal is a unfair war but ASUS feels a lot better to hold in hand. I don't understand why Samsung still uses this cheap plastics, ok they say it is for the wight but ASUS is lighter and thinner even in Metal Case..
Over all display res is ergonomics and ergonomics are pretty much the most important part in a held-in-hands device.
Samsung can't take any competition agains the TF700T in this point. Samsung put the same Resolution as they had on the first Galaxy Note to a double as big screen. Thats just a joke for a device calles it self highend.
Only points left for samsung, if you need it, is 3G and the stylus.
The Stylus is a pretty little toy, but at all I don't know where to use it in productivity.
So my choice again was clear, ASUS will become a lot faster with 4.1 and the screen is still amazing.

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I spend a hour testing a Galaxy Note at a local store. Because my first TF700T was broken and I decided to test the Samsung to be sure that I pick the right one again.
Yes it's fast, but fast is not everything. Haptics, design and ergonomics goes pretty clear to ASUS.
That the ASUS is slower is just a matter of the Screen Resolution. Android is not optimized for this screen size now.
So if you have a Samsung device with the same stunning display you will see that it doesn't matters wich Company you choose if the OS isn't made for it.
Plastics against metal is a unfair war but ASUS feels a lot better to hold in hand. I don't understand why Samsung still uses this cheap plastics, ok they say it is for the wight but ASUS is lighter and thinner even in Metal Case..
Over all display res is ergonomics and ergonomics are pretty much the most important part in a held-in-hands device.
Samsung can't take any competition agains the TF700T in this point. Samsung put the same Resolution as they had on the first Galaxy Note to a double as big screen. Thats just a joke for a device calles it self highend.
Only points left for samsung, if you need it, is 3G and the stylus.
The Stylus is a pretty little toy, but at all I don't know where to use it in productivity.
So my choice again was clear, ASUS will become a lot faster with 4.1 and the screen is still amazing.
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This is the dumbest argument. First its not cheap plastic. Do some research.
Second the infinity problem is more then just screen resolution. Asus used cheap parts in the building. Thats why you have i/o issues.
Design and ergonomics is subjective. What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.
And I have no clue what you're talking about with haptic. As far as I know it works fine on the Note. At least on mine.
The ONLY advantage you could quantitatively give Asus over Samsung is the screen resolution.
Aside from screen resolution, which ultimately each individual will have to decide which one he or she wants, both tablets have advantages over the other based on how you want to use it.
The Stylus is anything but a toy. I use it exclusively with S-Note for class and at work. Plus if you have any desire to do drawing/sketching on your tablet the Note is really the only choice. The infinity is horrible at stylus work. No matter how awesome your touchscreen tune is configured.
With that said the Infinity does offer a base with extended battery, sd card and a usb connection so if those matter then take that in to account. I found I didn't use the base very much. And when trying to take notes with the "office" apps I typed way to fast and there was serious delay.
As far as mirroring Infinity has hdmi out and Note has an allshare cast dongle (I believe this works with the note). Again subjective if you will use either.
I find the note better then then infinity. But that's just opinion and the way I use a tablet.
Oh and btw. Note warranty isn't voided when you root. Or at least you can get back to complete stock.

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This is the dumbest argument. First its not cheap plastic. Do some research.
Second the infinity problem is more then just screen resolution. Asus used cheap parts in the building. Thats why you have i/o issues.
Design and ergonomics is subjective. What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.
And I have no clue what you're talking about with haptic. As far as I know it works fine on the Note. At least on mine.
The ONLY advantage you could quantitatively give Asus over Samsung is the screen resolution.
Aside from screen resolution, which ultimately each individual will have to decide which one he or she wants, both tablets have advantages over the other based on how you want to use it.
The Stylus is anything but a toy. I use it exclusively with S-Note for class and at work. Plus if you have any desire to do drawing/sketching on your tablet the Note is really the only choice. The infinity is horrible at stylus work. No matter how awesome your touchscreen tune is configured.
With that said the Infinity does offer a base with extended battery, sd card and a usb connection so if those matter then take that in to account. I found I didn't use the base very much. And when trying to take notes with the "office" apps I typed way to fast and there was serious delay.
As far as mirroring Infinity has hdmi out and Note has an allshare cast dongle (I believe this works with the note). Again subjective if you will use either.
I find the note better then then infinity. But that's just opinion and the way I use a tablet.
Oh and btw. Note warranty isn't voided when you root. Or at least you can get back to complete stock.
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for me plastic is cheap, no matter what kind u use, and if you use shiny plastics thats less cheaper haptics than ASUS.
Have you tried TF700T with 4.1 JB ROM? It is a lot more responsive and no more lags at all. More Resolution means more work for the Memory even on the UI, if it isn't optimized for this it would lag. Or did you have seen a more resoponsive Full HD Tablet now?! The I/O Troubles from cheap chips? Hynix 64GB NAND chip in 2X nm technology? Not the main problem about the I/O troubles more kernel side I think.
Yes Design is subjective. But please tell me that you better choose the Note Design over the Apple iPad's or ASUS TF700's. That should be a joke. Every review out there calls the plastic cheap.. and what feels cheap has a bad haptic in my understanding.
Stylus is a pretty nice feature for sure, but to be clear if you have the choice between Full HD and Stylus I choose Full HD because more density is just more.. more website, more picture, more from everything. If you want to draw on your tablet or you take handwritten notes often the stylus is yours. But why no full hd with stylus? the Display is just cheap and the display is one of the most important parts of a tablet.
I never had any real delay on my TF700T just little lags like on the most 4.0 Devices but from what you say delay in office I've never seen anything.
Tell me you would not prefer a Galaxy Note 10.1 and ASUS TF700T combination. The best of both worlds. ASUS Metal Body, Display, Dock, Camera, DDR3 and maybe Samsungs Stylus, 2GB Dualchannel Memory, IR-remote.
And as long as this perfect tablet doesn't exists everyone have to choose wich points he gives more wight.
And WHAT?! Rooting don't viod ASUS Warranty. Even unlocked ASUS still is cool with hardware defects.
Samsung also have a way to see what you have installed on your tablet and will don't give you warranty if you do great ****. Ever heard about Binary Counter?

Ever heard of the app that resets binary counter? Not like Asus which logs your s/n and has denied many warranty claims on that fact alone.
Please, your still spewing opinion as fact.
I guess you could search the infinity forum and the note forum and see which has more complaint threads.

Nefariouss said:
Please, your still spewing opinion as fact.
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you didn't?
I'm not a fanboy or something, yes I have a opinion and I give you a lot of facts for this opinion.
Even you do the same..

Well this got a lil out of hand lol. i was just answering a question that someone asked. He asked what one was faster and i gave him my opinion on it after playing with both side by side. He didn't seem worried about what they were made of, what JB would bring or what rooting/custom roms would do. Im guessing he was talking about sock out of the box devices if im worng then im sorry. I really didnt want this to turn into a flame war thread.

I have a Motorola Droid and an Infinity so if anyone wants to ask questions about that matchup, fire away.

kabauterman said:
you didn't?
I'm not a fanboy or something, yes I have a opinion and I give you a lot of facts for this opinion.
Even you do the same..
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The only thing I stated that was a fact that made one better then the other was screen resolution.
Everything else about the two tablets comes down the subjectivity. I stated features that distinguish each tablet, but those features don't make one better then the other. It's up to each person to decide what features they want in a tablet and can live without from another.
Don't be mad dude.
And straight out of the box my opinion is the note 10.1 holds an edge as the better tablet.

i'm not a fan boy of asus, infact i have GS3. I have tried so hard to like the Galaxy Note 10.1. Bought it and returned it to bestbuy TWICE. trying to like it more than my asus and just can't. First i hate the cheap plastic YES CHEAP PLASTIC. hate it when you are holding the devices it feel SO CHEAP. Second the screen sucks compare to asus, cannot look at such low resolution and salutated colors, third i cannot get use to using a big touchwiz tablet, with all that crap installed. I understand that you can install custom rom, but 90% of the people don't even know about custom rom so they are force to use the tablet just has it is. With the infinity you don't have to do any of that. It looks plain ICS just the way i like it. Touchwiz looks to cartoony made for kids. I use my tablet for presentation and HDMI output is a must for me. Hate the way samsung uses HDMI, have to buy a $40 xtra connector plus using MHL hdmi requires Xtra power connector to an outlet for it to work. Asus tf700 run a microHDMI from tablet to HDMI TV and done.

OP - Since you have both tablets it would be benificial for everyone to see some comparison videos side by side. Only if your up to it. It does become time consuming.

I also have a note 10.1 that i won at work. Its nice, the pen thing is pretty cool but otherwise useless unless i want to draw or be an artsy pantsy dude. I mean using supernote on my infinity and writing with my fingers is as good if not better than the S pen app suite from samsung. The tablet is quite more responsive because lag plaigs the transformer but again, the TF700 has the ressources, just need to work on the software issue. The note is fatter, thicker and chunkier, it feels much cheaper also. The TF700 overall is the better tablet, it feel premium, has a beatiful screen resolution that in certain cases is better. I've compared both tablet side-by-side and played an MKV bluray rip and suprisingly the note has better, brighter colors, the blue is more blue, the greens are more green and in color saturation its considerably nicer. but unless you compare side by side, there is no way to know.
P.S. I can make a side by side video for you guys tonight

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The only thing I stated that was a fact that made one better then the other was screen resolution.
Everything else about the two tablets comes down the subjectivity. I stated features that distinguish each tablet, but those features don't make one better then the other. It's up to each person to decide what features they want in a tablet and can live without from another.
Don't be mad dude.
And straight out of the box my opinion is the note 10.1 holds an edge as the better tablet.
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I disagree. Cheap plastic, gimmick pen and horrible update history. TF700 ftw.... Also dude you need to calm down, calling other users argument stupid because they expressed an opinion shows how close minded you are. That kind of attitude is not needed on these forums.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T

Ahhh.
I misunderstood the thread title.
It's about the Infinity and the Note 10.1.
Sorry I'm blind

pierrekid said:
I disagree. Cheap plastic, gimmick pen and horrible update history. TF700 ftw.... Also dude you need to calm down, calling other users argument stupid because they expressed an opinion shows how close minded you are. That kind of attitude is not needed on these forums.
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I encourage people to express opinion. But don't express it as fact.

beston94 said:
That's great Well, I'm buying my first tablet and I've read many reviews and many comparisons between those 2 tablets, and I know almost everything about them. The only thing left is something that can't be written down or recorded Just out of those 2, which one is faster I know it seems like a general question but I'm talking about raw performance. As in, which one will open applications a lot faster and load them a lot faster. You know, browsers and so on.
I'd appreciate it, thanks
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I had Galaxy Note 10.1 for 3 weeks before returning. Prior to which I had Transformer Infinity for almost 4 weeks. So what I have now? I am back to Infinity and plan to keep it.
Galaxy Note 10.1 essentially superior to Infinity every aspect except screen i.e. smoother, more stable, faster (especially browser), longer tablet standalone battery life. This is a fact. You put things side by side and ran same applications, it is easy to see without even running benchmark tests.
So why I chose Infinity? Because the difference in aforementioned areas are to me not significant enough to the difference in screen resolution.
Full HD is (to me) noticeble every seconds I use the tablet. Slightly less stability i.e. random crash every other day or so (which for some reason seemed to have improved) vs. once every week is manageable. Loading web page is slower but that is like 10 seconds on really flash heavy site that I visit so I am losing probably 5-10 minutes every day at most because of the difference in page loading time.

jjdevega said:
OP - Since you have both tablets it would be benificial for everyone to see some comparison videos side by side. Only if your up to it. It does become time consuming.
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I prolly wont do any vids there are quite a few on youtube.
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Thats OK said:
Ahhh.
I misunderstood the thread title.
It's about the Infinity and the Note 10.1.
Sorry I'm blind
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Yeah little typo, it doesnt seem that i proofread. Sorry about that.
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