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Hi all,
I'm looking to get one of these Honeycomb beauties soon but Im heavily doubting between the Transformer or the new Galaxy Tab 10.1 (due this summer).
First I was almost sure to get the Transformer because of price and featureset (dock, hdmi out, sd slot, usb etc.) compared to the GT. However, despite having an IPS panel, I saw some videos where the colours, brightness and contrast didn't looked that great compared to the Ipad 2 and the BB Playbook. But many other reviews are really exited about it...
So now I'm in great doubt again as the screen is one of the most important factors for a Android tablet in my opinion. I'm sure the Galaxy Tab 10.1 will have a great screen (PLS) because I saw the original GT yesterday and the Ipad2, both had very bright, crisp and colorfull displays. Therefore, I would like to hear from you guys who own the Asus (or even more tablets) how you find the screen and how you think it is compared to the Ipad 2 and GT 10.1 (although not released yet). Maybe someone can make or point to some good comparison shots/test.
Thanks!
P.s. Don't mind my English, I'm Dutch
almost identical to iPad 2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4277/asus-eee-pad-transformer-review/5
Read this page, this is the most thorough testing I've come across in regards to the Transformer. Hope it helps
I don't have a galaxy tab and I don't have professional testing equipment, but I do have a keen eye for screen quality (I'm a graphic designer) and will report back later when I unbox it and compare it to the iPad 2 after getting home for lunch.
Khar00f said:
Read this page, this is the most thorough testing I've come across in regards to the Transformer. Hope it helps
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Thanks, already found that one but I just need a visualisation of those parameters
seshmaru said:
I don't have a galaxy tab and I don't have professional testing equipment, but I do have a keen eye for screen quality (I'm a graphic designer) and will report back later when I unbox it and compare it to the iPad 2 after getting home for lunch.
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Would be great!! Thanks!
Could anyone else shed some more light ?
Everything I've read puts it very close to the ipad 2.
BTW when I saw GT 10.1 I thought you were saying G Tablet and thought to myself he can't really be asking that can he?
donatom3 said:
Everything I've read puts it very close to the ipad 2.
BTW when I saw GT 10.1 I thought you were saying G Tablet and thought to myself he can't really be asking that can he?
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The choice would be much easier when I was comparing it to a G Tablet XD
here's a side by side of super pls vs ips
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/01/samsung-touts-super-pls-display-as-the-evolution-of-ips-on-smart/
the super pls display is one of the reasons i'm waiting for the samsung gtab 10.1 before i decide if i should go with that or the transformer
IQ, both screens look similar. Brightness wise, the iPad 2 wins hands down. Personally prefer the iPad2 screen.
Is Super PLS better than IPS? It probably will be. But IPS is proven in a wide range of uses.
So the next question is, are you going to pay $100 or the equivalent in your currency more for a Samsung Super PLS over the Transformer and it's IPS?
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Is Super PLS better than IPS? It probably will be. But IPS is proven in a wide range of uses.
So the next question is, are you going to pay $100 or the equivalent in your currency more for a Samsung Super PLS over the Transformer and it's IPS?
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It is not IPS vs PLS for me, I'm more than happy with a IPS screen but some videos I saw of the transformer doesn't show a very crisp and high quality screen everyone is talking about. But again it is a video so very hard to judge for me, that is why my question. I rather pay $100 extra (or the same price but without a dock) when I'm sure I get a good screen. I mean, I don't have the financial strength to buy a new tablet each year. So when I buy one now I do want to last it at least 2 - 3 years without being sorry that I choose this device and not the other.... The screen is what you will be looking at all that time.
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Could you make a comparison shot?
donatom3 said:
Everything I've read puts it very close to the ipad 2.
BTW when I saw GT 10.1 I thought you were saying G Tablet and thought to myself he can't really be asking that can he?
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Haha straight-on, brightness at full, that gTab screen is actually very nice, really pops. But move your head up down left right, and it all goes to hell. It's a shame, it's a great tablet otherwise.
After about 10 hours of using it I can safely say I can't tell the difference in colours/contrast/whites/blacks between the transformer and my iPad 2.
however the transformer does win in resolution and DPI slightly.
Thanks for getting back to me And is the brightness good enough too? Because Highland3r said the Ipad2 screen is much brighter. It doesn't have to be so bright that you can't see anything, but do you think it is bright enough?
(maybe you can make some pictures)
flight777 said:
So when I buy one now I do want to last it at least 2 - 3 years without being sorry that I choose this device and not the other.... The screen is what you will be looking at all that time.
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If the Transformer's screen were bad (not just comparatively a little less good), then I'd agree. However, everything is indicating that it's pretty darn good, and so I don't wager it's something one would hate looking at for a few years.
Now, add in the keyboard dock, and you've suddenly expanded the use case for the device. For someone who does any kind of long-form writing, or even lots of email, tweeting, or whatever, then that keyboard suddenly matters. Multiply that over a few years, and the productivity gains could be significant. Heck, I'm even looking forward to just being able to set the darn thing on my lap and type without worrying about heat or covering up a fan intake. Given the battery, it's also much better than just adding a Bluetooth keyboard if even you could figure out a way to hold a separate tablet and keyboard on your lap.
Not trying to convince anyone one way or the other, but for me, I can't wait to get my hands on the Transformer and particularly with the dock. I've enjoyed the Xoom I've been using, and am really looking forward to comparing the screens. I have a feeling that in that comparison for sure, the Transformer would come out ahead even without the dock.
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Thanks for getting back to me And is the brightness good enough too? Because Highland3r said the Ipad2 screen is much brighter. It doesn't have to be so bright that you can't see anything, but do you think it is bright enough?
(maybe you can make some pictures)
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Sorry to jump in, but I can't understand this brightness thing. The transformer is plenty bright. Mine sears my eyesballs at anywhere near full brightness in a dim room.
Additionally it has better DPI/resolution than the iPad as has been mentioned. That was the first thing I noticed about the screen.
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Sorry to jump in, but I can't understand this brightness thing. The transformer is plenty bright. Mine sears my eyesballs at anywhere near full brightness in a dim room.
Additionally it has better DPI/resolution than the iPad as has been mentioned. That was the first thing I noticed about the screen.
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It's bright enough in a dim room, not quite as good in a bright room though. The extra brightness of the iPad screen gives it the edge in well lit areas (it's also a bit less glarey than the Transformer).
It's personal preference though really - the iPad is a bit easier to get along with - never really have a worry that bright areas will mean you can't view whats on the screen.
This is what is going on in reviews too... one says it is a great screen, the other is not really that "positive" about it. Could someone post some pictures in brighter rooms ? Will help me a lot to decide as those are missing on the interner, or they seem to be edited a little!
Thanks!
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Thanks for getting back to me And is the brightness good enough too? Because Highland3r said the Ipad2 screen is much brighter. It doesn't have to be so bright that you can't see anything, but do you think it is bright enough?
(maybe you can make some pictures)
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it seems to be just as bright with both at max as the iPad 2.
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If the Transformer's screen were bad (not just comparatively a little less good), then I'd agree. However, everything is indicating that it's pretty darn good, and so I don't wager it's something one would hate looking at for a few years.
Now, add in the keyboard dock, and you've suddenly expanded the use case for the device. For someone who does any kind of long-form writing, or even lots of email, tweeting, or whatever, then that keyboard suddenly matters. Multiply that over a few years, and the productivity gains could be significant. Heck, I'm even looking forward to just being able to set the darn thing on my lap and type without worrying about heat or covering up a fan intake. Given the battery, it's also much better than just adding a Bluetooth keyboard if even you could figure out a way to hold a separate tablet and keyboard on your lap.
Not trying to convince anyone one way or the other, but for me, I can't wait to get my hands on the Transformer and particularly with the dock. I've enjoyed the Xoom I've been using, and am really looking forward to comparing the screens. I have a feeling that in that comparison for sure, the Transformer would come out ahead even without the dock.
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You got a point there... That is why I'm really opting for the Transformer, only that screen though keeps nagging in the back of my head
Hi Folks.. I have a G-Tab ..but was wondering what the hardware spec differences were between the Transformer (which is about the same price as the G-Tab) and the Xoom which is a bit pricier.. ? Is there a reason to dump the G-Tab for the Transformer or is it the same generation with a better screen?
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Honeycomb 3.0+
Better screen (resolution & viewing angles)
More memory
Official Google support
Rear camera
GPS
Maybe more that I can't think of......
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Honeycomb 3.0+
Better screen (resolution & viewing angles)
More memory
Official Google support
Rear camera
Maybe more that I can't think of......
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Adds a GPS and a compass as well.
Sent from my Viewsonic 10" GTab...CM7 style...
Well .. It IS an improvement, but might not be one major enuff for you to replace, i personally feel the cream is the screen difference. The other factors may or may not affect you too much. (Not to mention USB)
I went with the Acer A500, since has USB host and micro usb on the tablet, so no need to buy or rely on a KB attachment. Asus Trans is nice, none the less.
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I went with the Acer A500, since has USB host and micro usb on the tablet, so no need to buy or rely on a KB attachment. Asus Trans is nice, none the less.
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+1......Acer Iconia FTW!! I honestly like it better than the Transformer.
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I went with the Acer A500, since has USB host and micro usb on the tablet, so no need to buy or rely on a KB attachment. Asus Trans is nice, none the less.
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Just curious, may i know whats the battery life like? Engadget review stats 7 hours but i find that fishy
You'd be wasting your money with the Xoom -- overpriced with a so-so screen, so toss that out of the equation. Iconia and Transformer are your best bets, though I think the Transformer is the better value, especially with the IPS screen. And should you decide you want the dock, it's an option (I don't, but to some that's the killer feature).
The screen on the Transformer was what grabbed me. I had it on my lap tonight, laying flat, and it looked just as good as if I had it tilted up. Brought a tear to my eye.
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You'd be wasting your money with the Xoom -- overpriced with a so-so screen, so toss that out of the equation. Iconia and Transformer are your best bets, though I think the Transformer is the better value, especially with the IPS screen. And should you decide you want the dock, it's an option (I don't, but to some that's the killer feature).
The screen on the Transformer was what grabbed me. I had it on my lap tonight, laying flat, and it looked just as good as if I had it tilted up. Brought a tear to my eye.
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JERK!!!!!!!!!! Way to rub it in lol
So the Iconia is what to get as a holdover until the Transformers have been reviewed more and stock issues sorted out? Thanks for the feedback.
edit - I'll post back later today with my initial Iconia impressions and some unboxing photos and/or video.
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I had it on my lap tonight, laying flat, and it looked just as good as if I had it tilted up. Brought a tear to my eye.
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Guess you've never seen an iPad
Seriously, we get that you've got issues with the netbook screen used on the gTab, and that just about any screen is going to be better than it.
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Guess you've never seen an iPad
Seriously, we get that you've got issues with the netbook screen used on the gTab, and that just about any screen is going to be better than it.
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I don't have issues anymore I solved that problem.
I think the #1 thing gTab owners who are thinking of upgrading want to know is if the screen quality is really worth the extra money. Any time the question is raised, as a former gTab owner, I'm happy to pop on here and let them know that YES, it is worth the upgrade. It is liberating to not have to worry about viewing angles, having almost no difference in how the screen looks no matter which way you turn it. I'm not rubbing it in anyone's face, just saying that if you're on the fence about it, you shouldn't be. The screen is a very important part of the tablet experience, and having a quality screen really made me realize that.
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I don't have issues anymore I solved that problem.
I think the #1 thing gTab owners who are thinking of upgrading want to know is if the screen quality is really worth the extra money. Any time the question is raised, as a former gTab owner, I'm happy to pop on here and let them know that YES, it is worth the upgrade. It is liberating to not have to worry about viewing angles, having almost no difference in how the screen looks no matter which way you turn it. I'm not rubbing it in anyone's face, just saying that if you're on the fence about it, you shouldn't be. The screen is a very important part of the tablet experience, and having a quality screen really made me realize that.
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I dunno man, I use the thing for hours on end surfing the couch, and it's quite fine. If you've got one, and you're talking about "upgrading" to a new $400-$450 tab, the net cost after sale is going to be $200+ For that, if I could stand the screen (and I can - I have an iPad2 as well and the screen is nice. Whoo.) I might be better off using the gtab for several more months, until the NEXT generation tablets come out in the summer, or fall.
If you've not bought a tab, and you were going to buy one today, sure. Spend the extra $120 (if you could even find a gtab on sale now that the firesales are over, I think Woot is even finally out of stock) and get any of the 1.5 generation tabs with non-netbook screens. They'll all be better looking screens than the gtab.
If you own one and can't stand the screen, sure, go for it.
Otherwise, it's just a screen with more viewing angles. In 6 months something better will be along, if you hold out for that. Or, you'll be able to buy one of these "better screen" tabs at closeout prices.
Have my original gtab, though it's being sold tomorrow. Just got an Iconia A500 today. Dunno if it's 3.0 the Acer interface or what. This is what a tablet was meant to be like. While I'd like it to be a bit more open and not block me from installing Kindle(wtf?) etc, it's damn nice. Smooth scrolling, responsive etc. Waiting for the Transformer to be in stock for the IPS screen, and barring any horror stories from the early adopters, I'll trade the Iconia in for a Trans.
Ininitla Iconia and Android 3.0 impressions from me? Wow, a HUGE step up from the Gtablet and it's stock OS. Let price be your guide, but if you are on the fence and have the cash, the new stuff is where it's at.
I have read really good things about the Eee Pad Transformer. Anybody had a chance to compare it to the Viewsonic G Tab? I have the G Tab and was considering buying a different Android tablet eventually with better viewing angles. I am really pleased with the hardware and performance of the G Tab but the viewing angles have a long way to go. I would love to hear opinions from anyone who has had a chance to check out both.
I bought the gtablet when it ws on woot. Spent $45 in accessories too. Then i saw the Transformer and it's pricing. Returned the gtablet asap to woot.
I wanted Honeycomb nd youre not going to get a good rom of it anytime soon. The viewing angle of the gtablet started to get annoying too. I had it for 2 weeks. Even just looking at it dead on and not moving your head, you get a sort of hologram type view in your eyes. I couldn't stand it.
I dont remember the exact weight of the gtablet, but loving the Transformer. It seems lighter. The sides are tapered also, so holding it is easier.
Got the Transformer today and couldn't be more happier!
EDIT: Just remember from reading other people's gTablet experiences. I too suffered bad touch screen responsiveness at the edges of the screen, drove me crazy.
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its day and night comparison. TF screen even blows away the xoom, and is as good as my ipad.
I got a GTablet when it first came out last November and I still own it (it helps with Android development) but the Transformer is WAY better. Looks better, feels better in the hand, lighter, better weight distribution and OMG the screen is *so much nicer*. Viewing angles on the GTablet are especially bad and on the Transformer especially good. Haven't had a single issue with responsiveness on the Transformer screen while I sometimes have roving 'dead areas' of the screen with the GTablet that cause me to constantly recalibrate it.
Also being able to run Honeycomb is nice (still wish Google would AOSP Honeycomb so I could run it on the Gtablet too). Lots of little things like the better multipane gmail app really add up to a much better experience.
I had a G Tablet for a little while and I just received my Transformer on Friday. The screen is waaaay better! I have an iPad 2 ( I'm a developer and I get to try a lot of products) and the Transformer's screen is just as good. I don't think there is a better screen on a tablet right now. Transformer is excellent value for the money you pay- overall quality is much higher than the G Tablet in my opinion.
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I am really pleased with the hardware and performance of the G Tab but the viewing angles have a long way to go.
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That's an understatement. When I bought my gTab, I thought the screen was "good enough" because I paid $300 for it. Then the Transformer came along for a mere $100 more, and I sold my gTab and spent a tablet-less week waiting for the 26th. Totally worth it, this screen is what a tablet screen should be -- perfect from any angle.
I liked the gTab and the devs for it are great, but that cheapo netbook screen ruined a promising piece of hardware.
My G tablet will still kick all of your Asus. You can just read the results better on your screens. Heh. I will be buying the Transformer and giving my g tablet to my son. I have been watching this forum to see what is happening with the Transformer for several weeks. I am really impressed with the support for the g tablet and im sure the Transformer will get there eventually. Overclocking and custom roms have put the g tablet in the top spot at Antutu. I am currently in 8th place and my Smartbench scores are way higher than the Xoom. I don't see the transformer having any real presence yet because there have been no real tweaks to the tablet yet and so it is probably on par with the xoom performance wise? I look forward to getting my Transformer and seeing where things go with the software in the future. Enjoy!
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Thanks everybody. I really appreciate it. That's what I was afraid of. Well, looks like I'm selling the G-Tab. I don't use it often but I could see more use with the better screen of the Asus and I really wanted it for the main purpose as an E-reader and light internet surfing. I think I'd be a lot better off with the Asus especially with the keyboard dock which I should have just waited but I guess hindsight is always 20/20 and something better will always come along.
I've been using the Transformer to read books before bed, and it definitely serves that purpose better than the gTab did because of the screen. I basically hold the Transformer upright on my stomach as I'm laying down and it looks great -- holding the gTab at that angle made things loopy.
I don't envy you trying to sell the gTab though -- the value has dropped like crazy the past couple of weeks, and you're bound to be disappointed at what you get. I was able to sell mine on Craigslist for $300 (with the M1 case), but I doubt that'd be the case today.
i just got 250 out of my g tablet. but i could have gotten 275 if i held out... I paid 299. americantv has them for 299 right now as well.
They are a really solid tablet, i liked it a lot...usb ports on board was amazingly nice. viewing angles were bad, but thats not a big deal to me.
i just wanted a more netbook convertible option, hence the transformer, which is on a truck for delivery right now. come on fedex man
To me there is no comparison between the two. Market works great without having to fiddle with my dpi setting. The screen on the Asus is great. I like using portrait mode for pdfs, books and on the Gtablet portrait mode sucked. Even if you looked straight on I had color shifting. Weight the transformer wins hands down. Build quality and thickness, again the transformer feels so much better. Oh and the fact that the Transformer doesn't have touch sensitive buttons on the bezel helps so much in holding it and not accidentally hitting home menu or back.
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I don't envy you trying to sell the gTab though -- the value has dropped like crazy the past couple of weeks, and you're bound to be disappointed at what you get. I was able to sell mine on Craigslist for $300 (with the M1 case), but I doubt that'd be the case today.
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Yeah, I thought that it would probably be difficult. I would take 250-275. I'm hoping for more but I have a feeling even 250-275 is a hope. I think I'm just gonna have to bite the bullet and take what I can get and I think the longer it goes the worse it will be. It's a shame to because I paid full price for it. Oh well, I guess that's how it goes.
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Thanks everybody. I really appreciate it. That's what I was afraid of. Well, looks like I'm selling the G-Tab. I don't use it often but I could see more use with the better screen of the Asus and I really wanted it for the main purpose as an E-reader and light internet surfing. I think I'd be a lot better off with the Asus especially with the keyboard dock which I should have just waited but I guess hindsight is always 20/20 and something better will always come along.
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Yep, you just summed it up. The screen on the TF is soooooo much nicer that your reading and surfing will be much more enjoyable.
I tried reading on my gTablet a few times - and my eyes just got all googly!
And having the keyboard dock available for when you wanna be productive will be great.
ONE THING I will point out - and subtract points from the TF for... The edges.
Compared to my gTablet, when I held my TF for the first time today, I felt like the tablet's edges were constructed with dull razor blades!!
OK, I'm sure I'll get used to it - and the BACK of it feels great... but those edges are not buttery smooth like our beloved gTablets!
(Don't let that hold ya back tho!)
Same as everyone else said.
-Touch Screen is much more responsive
- Screen is beautiful
- Device feels lighter and slimmer
- Device LOOKS high quality compared to GTAB
- I could go on and on.
I do miss the simple charging port, USB ports, CM7 etc of the GTAB
what's with all the people complaining about the TF101's bezel edge? You must all have soft feminine hands to get hurt so easily.
Well, that edge is a little sharp -- it was actually the first thing I noticed when I held it. I don't find it to be a problem at all, maybe because mine stays in the Asus case 99% of the time. But when I do take it out, it's noticeable, but not so much that I care.
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Yep, you just summed it up. The screen on the TF is soooooo much nicer that your reading and surfing will be much more enjoyable.
I tried reading on my gTablet a few times - and my eyes just got all googly!
And having the keyboard dock available for when you wanna be productive will be great.
ONE THING I will point out - and subtract points from the TF for... The edges.
Compared to my gTablet, when I held my TF for the first time today, I felt like the tablet's edges were constructed with dull razor blades!!
OK, I'm sure I'll get used to it - and the BACK of it feels great... but those edges are not buttery smooth like our beloved gTablets!
(Don't let that hold ya back tho!)
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I will gladly take razor blades on all sides if it does not make me crosseyed when trying to read on it.
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I have read really good things about the Eee Pad Transformer. Anybody had a chance to compare it to the Viewsonic G Tab? I have the G Tab and was considering buying a different Android tablet eventually with better viewing angles. I am really pleased with the hardware and performance of the G Tab but the viewing angles have a long way to go. I would love to hear opinions from anyone who has had a chance to check out both.
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I had a G-tablet which I returned when I heard the Transformer was coming out (I now have the Transformer). They're night-and-day different in quality, favoring the Transformer... its screen is gorgeous, great color/brightness/perfect viewing angles.
The Honeycomb Android OS is better-suited for a tablet and just as fast as any custom ROMs I had seen for the Gtablet. The Asus Transformer feels better-distributed in weight when holding it, and thinner. The build quality is far, far better, and the thing just flat-out works perfectly. The screen resolution makes web browsing a lot nicer as well.
The G-tablet's screen was just unbearably bad, you'd lose contrast/brightness significantly just from a 5-10 degree normal-holding-angle position in your hands, and the screen quality + resolution were far worse. This really translates into all aspects of using the tablet, but especially when reading the on the Transformer, it's a lot better. Portrait mode makes a huge difference to have as a viable reading option!
DEFINITELY go for the Transformer if it's an option... it's just a much, much, much, much (x"A LOT!") better tablet.
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Heh, I've heard some people's are sharper than others, mine is very dull on the edges and comfy to hold *shrug*.
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what's with all the people complaining about the TF101's bezel edge? You must all have soft feminine hands to get hurt so easily.
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I had a G-tablet which I returned when I heard the Transformer was coming out (I now have the Transformer). They're night-and-day different in quality, favoring the Transformer... its screen is gorgeous, great color/brightness/perfect viewing angles.
The Honeycomb Android OS is better-suited for a tablet and just as fast as any custom ROMs I had seen for the Gtablet. The Asus Transformer feels better-distributed in weight when holding it, and thinner. The build quality is far, far better, and the thing just flat-out works perfectly. The screen resolution makes web browsing a lot nicer as well.
The G-tablet's screen was just unbearably bad, you'd lose contrast/brightness significantly just from a 5-10 degree normal-holding-angle position in your hands, and the screen quality + resolution were far worse.
DEFINITELY go for the Transformer if it's an option... it's just a much, much, much, much (x"A LOT!") better tablet.
Heh, I've heard some people's are sharper than others, mine is very dull on the edges and comfy to hold *shrug*.
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Love my G-tablet, but not the display. Anyway, I bought the G-tablet on sale to learn how to mod with new ROMs, etc, and have really had fun customizing it. If they could slap a good screen on the G-tablet it would really be a nice tablet. However, I will move on the the TF this summer. By the time I order one the brick and video issues should be solved and everyone should have stock by then. Played with the Acer today at BestBuy. Man, it was heavy! But I really like the Honeycomb OS and am anxious to move to that platform. I was pleased to see that the Acer screen was much better than the G-tablet. Also waiting on the Samsung 10.1 Gtab too. Its screen is supposed to be a step-up even from the Transformer. All you guys and gals get the bugs worked out for those of us who must wait a few more months. Thanks.
So I'm in a bit of a pickle, I can't decide if I should keep my Acer or my Asus. I have both right now but will be returning one of them, so I'm looking for any differentiators I can use to decide, here's what I've got:
Acer:
- USB support right out of the box (not planning on currently picking up the ASUS keyboard)
- Feels sturdier
- Power connector isn't proprietary
- Rotation lock is a physical button, I find I use that a lot.
- Not quite as wide as the Asus.
- Plays youtube HD smoothly in the Youtube app. This seems very strange, given they are identical hardware wise, but the Asus stutters when watching HD in the YouTube app. The Acer doesn't, for whatever reason. I can get around it by watching in the browser... but I like the app.
Asus:
- Feels snappier (might be my imagination, also I got this one 'later' so maybe the Acer is just a little extra bogged down by apps... though I have gotten them both to an identical state and the Asus seems to still have a very slight edge).
- Slightly better screen. It is noticeable when watching the same video content side by side.
- Gorilla Glass? (I can't confirm whether the Acer has this or not, have seen many posts both ways, and seen Acer confirm it both ways)
- Slightly lighter and very slightly thinner.
- Better sound (just seems better flat out, headphones are identical)
- Keyboard dock add on (though I am not planning to pick that up yet).
- $50 cheaper, though I had to pay $20 shipping so the net is $30 back to me. Not a big deal.
Any additional information, or things I should consider? I really don't know which to choose!
I'd choose the ASUS Transformer
The ASUS comes preloaded with a lot of nice apps and widgets. I LOVE the feature that I can use splashtop without any prior experience and connect to my shared media on my PC, also without changing any settings.
The wider bezel is great in my opinion. I had the XOOM and when I was holding it in one hand I would always touch the screen by accident; and I do not have big hands!
Even though you don't plan on picking up the dock you should It is an amazing piece of hardware.
I cannot comment on the comparison since I never touched the Acer but I can tell you that I am very pleased with the ASUS and it gets nice support from the devs here and ASUS directly.
Thanks funnycreature, I should elaborate a bit more on my original post.
To add to the list above, the Asus has some light bleeding on the screen, in 3 spaces. This doesn't really bother me, but it is definitely there, and not on the Acer. I have not really used the prepackaged apps on either device much, so I can't comment on that. I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it. I like the size of it, I didn't have the width issues you did, and I think the Asus is a bit too wide. The Acer is the middleground there. Having gotten the Thumb Keyboard now though... it is not nearly as big of an issue.
If all things were equal, I would keep the Asus. I bought it because that was my intention, but once getting it I found it was a much tougher call than I initially suspected. If that Youtube app problem wasn't there.... the Acer would be back at the store. But that scares me a little bit, and I don't know if it will *ever* truly get fixed (and I watch a lot of Youtube videos on my tablet while the wife is asleep!). It is a very, very close comparison.
The other bonus for the Asus that I didn't mention, though, is that it has about 3x the community here on XDA, which I'll go ahead and assume means 3x the development effort. That is nice to know.
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Thanks funnycreature, I should elaborate a bit more on my original post.
To add to the list above, the Asus has some light bleeding on the screen, in 3 spaces. This doesn't really bother me, but it is definitely there, and not on the Acer. I have not really used the prepackaged apps on either device much, so I can't comment on that. I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it. I like the size of it, I didn't have the width issues you did, and I think the Asus is a bit too wide. The Acer is the middleground there. Having gotten the Thumb Keyboard now though... it is not nearly as big of an issue.
If all things were equal, I would keep the Asus. I bought it because that was my intention, but once getting it I found it was a much tougher call than I initially suspected. If that Youtube app problem wasn't there.... the Acer would be back at the store. But that scares me a little bit, and I don't know if it will *ever* truly get fixed (and I watch a lot of Youtube videos on my tablet while the wife is asleep!). It is a very, very close comparison.
The other bonus for the Asus that I didn't mention, though, is that it has about 3x the community here on XDA, which I'll go ahead and assume means 3x the development effort. That is nice to know.
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The bleed seems to be an illness of the mobile IPS displays and since the Acer most likely doesn't have an IPS it won't show the bleed. I hardly notice it and it doesn't really bother me. I also hardly ever watch YouTube videos
You should try experiencing more what each device can do beside watching videos. Maybe that will make the decision easier!
I find it strange that you order 3 tables and only keep one! What do you do with the tables you don't keep?
Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit.
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Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit.
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That's why I say "Tablets are like shoes, they need to fit you and the purpose"
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I had a Xoom as well before I had these 2, and I think it was actually my favorite, but I didn't keep it because I thought the cost was far too high for the very small bit I favored it.
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That's quite interesting for me, how did you find the Xoom's screen, was it acceptable? I returned my TF and am now thinking of getting either a Xoom or wait and see ho much the GT 10.1 will be here in the UK. I'm getting cheesed off waiting for the GT specs and price though. :-(
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That's quite interesting for me, how did you find the Xoom's screen, was it acceptable? I returned my TF and am now thinking of getting either a Xoom or wait and see ho much the GT 10.1 will be here in the UK. I'm getting cheesed off waiting for the GT specs and price though. :-(
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Well, it was definitely on par with the Acer. I didn't have the Asus/Xoom at the same time so I couldn't compare them side by side. I didn't even know there was a difference until I got the Acer/Asus side by side, but the Asus is the winner. It is not huge though, not at all, in fact someone else brought it up before I even noticed it. When you run media, like a video, side by side you can see the colors are slightly richer on the Asus. I am sure that is a 16m colors vs. 256k colors issue. The Xoom was at least Acer quality, could have been Asus, not sure, I would find out what panel it has and that should tell you. It was a good device, basically identical I just liked the form factor a little more (less wasted space). I would have paid a ~$30 premium for it, but definitely not $200. Why did you return your TF?
Honestly, I find the whole "this vs. that" discussion boring. I say: evaluate them, give them some side-by-side use if you can, and then make your decision. This is all very subjective, particularly since the major specs--processor, RAM, storage--are essentially the same.
The TF has pros and cons, the Acer has pros and cons, the Xoom has pros and cons, etc., etc. What's better for one person may not be better for another. So, just do your research and make your choice--looking for "unbiased" input on a forum dedicated to one device is unlikely to bear fruit
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Sort of, but we aren't talking about your favorite flavor of pizza here. There are completely objective differences here, and things that are in fact just "better." I asked this forum because it is more lively than the Acer forum, and I think I lean *ever so slightly* towards the Asus anyway (maybe just because I have an asus laptop). People here are truly in the know, I figured if there was a difference I didn't know about, maybe I could learn. And if someone was interested in the differences in the 3 android honeycomb tablets, maybe they could learn something from my post, since I've owned all 3 now.
I find it strange that you order 3 tables and only keep one! What do you do with the tables you don't keep?
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I return them. I don't usually do anything like that, it just happened to work out this time. I bought the Xoom, liked it, but decided that for $600 it just wasn't enough. I went back and they had the Acer in stock, so I picked that up. I saw they had the Asus in stock online like a week later, and decided what the hell, I've tried the other 2 now let's give it a go. I expect the Asus to win in a landslide... I didn't think my decision would be difficult.
Thanks for all the replies!
I had an Acer and currently have an Asus and the Acer felt much heavier especially when holding it in one hand. The metal construction gave it a nice quality feel, but it also made the back of the device slippery and a little harder to hold than the Asus. The Asus feels a little snappier, I noticed lag on the unlock screen of the Acer. However, the Acer seemed to have a more responsive touch screen. When I first received the Asus I noticed I had to tap the screen a little harder than the Acer, now I'm used to it and is no longer an issue. Also the Asus seems to be more hackable than the Acer, I believe the Acer still has a locked bootloader and the devs are having trouble putting clockworkmod recovery on the device. My Acer did play YouTube videos in the app better than the Asus.
I am happy with the Asus, I just need to find the keyboard dock. It seems to run smoother, the devs seem to be having success with Modding the transformer, and Asus seems to be ontop of things.
P.S typed this all on my transformer gotta love the tumb keyboard.
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It was due to what I consider to have been poor build quality, light bleed, creaky housing. I hope that this was just an initial manufacturing issue and that Asus will get to grips with it very soon and will produce a better Transformer. Of course there are people here who have had better units without these problems, I wasn't so lucky.
I like the solid construction of the Xoom, not so much the screen but I could get used to that I suppose. The Xoom is more expensive than the TF and that's a major consideration, also I'm not so sure that the Xoom will be as well supported as the TF, by both Motorola and not forgetting the guys here at XDA. There's a lot off stuff going off in this section.
I really am in limbo here trying to make the right decision.
also I returned my Acer because the GPS SUCKED. the Acer took forever to get a GPS lock and would lose the GPS signal randomly under a clear sky. I haven't gotten a chance to test the GPS on the transformer but I heard that it is good.
I looked at the Acer. Found it a nice tab - far better than the over priced, heavy Xoom (that I once owned 2 - until the TF came along and put them to shame).
But the Acer isn't as nice (on the pocketbook) as the TF, nor as versatile. Having the dock is nice - I don't use it often, but comes in very handy when wanting more bat life, more ports, faster typing - the kb dock is well executed. A benny of buying the kb dock is the clamshell design makes having a case unnecessary imo - stuffed it into my carry on luggage on my trip to Hawaii and no problems.
But if you don't want the dock, I'd go for the Acer due to full size USB on the tablet itself (that's the only thing I wanted extra on the TF). Marginally worse screen isn't a big deal. Didn't check the speakers, but if you say the TF is better, then the Acer's speakers must blow...
But you might also want to check the new Gal Tab 10 when it releases in the near future.
the transformer is great bang for the buck, and I like tablets with bigger bezels like the Asus and the Acer. I guess I have fat fingers because it was hard to hold the xoom with one hand without touching the screen by accident. but the xoom should always get honeycomb updates first, and should be the most hackable.
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also I returned my Acer because the GPS SUCKED. the Acer took forever to get a GPS lock and would lose the GPS signal randomly under a clear sky. I haven't gotten a chance to test the GPS on the transformer but I heard that it is good.
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The one that I had worked very well, even got a lock in my front room where my HTC Desire couldn't.
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the transformer is great bang for the buck, and I like tablets with bigger bezels like the Asus and the Acer. I guess I have fat fingers because it was hard to hold the xoom with one hand without touching the screen by accident. but the xoom should always get honeycomb updates first, and should be the most hackable.
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Hmmm, unless you're in the UK.
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I'd say TF, I found the Acer very heavy and the screen is not as sharp. The TF has lots of great widgets and the ability to remote desktop into your pc or mac.
I use that feature a lot, it comes in handy.
Polaris office is also another good feature. The Acer does have that usb port on the tablet, but the keyboard that attaches to it seems flimsy and the tablet doesn't attach 100% to it. And the dock doesn't have an extra battery.
I find that the TF gives me lots of options for expandability and ease of use.
Both are good choices, but the TF comes out on top imo.
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It was due to what I consider to have been poor build quality, light bleed, creaky housing. I hope that this was just an initial manufacturing issue and that Asus will get to grips with it very soon and will produce a better Transformer. Of course there are people here who have had better units without these problems, I wasn't so lucky.
I like the solid construction of the Xoom, not so much the screen but I could get used to that I suppose. The Xoom is more expensive than the TF and that's a major consideration, also I'm not so sure that the Xoom will be as well supported as the TF, by both Motorola and not forgetting the guys here at XDA. There's a lot off stuff going off in this section.
I really am in limbo here trying to make the right decision.
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I use to own the Xoom and its a great device but way overpriced & the screen isn't that good. The price you save by going TF again can go towards a dock. I have shown my ex-Xoom & TF dock to many family members, friends & co-workers. All of them love the TF over the Xoom & many of them plan to get the TF & dock once they are able to find them.
Like someone said earlier, its all personal preference but for me, it's TF all the way.
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Well, it was definitely on par with the Acer. I didn't have the Asus/Xoom at the same time so I couldn't compare them side by side.
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I know I just wrote that it's all subjective, but really I meant that in total. I'll say this as well: I have a Xoom and a TF sitting side by side right now (still haven't returned the Xoom to Costco, been busy), and the TF screen is heads and shoulders better than the Xoom's.
First, the angles are better. Much better. Like, night and day difference better. Second, colors on the TF are much more natural--the Xoom tends to be VERY cold (i.e., has a very strong blue tint). There are apparently two different Xoom screens floating around, each with their advantages/disadvantages, and the one I have is not even close to the TF.
In fact, even if the Xoom cost less than the TF, and even if the TF didn't have the dock, I'd still keep the TF over the Xoom on the strength of the screen alone.
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In fact, even if the Xoom cost less than the TF, and even if the TF didn't have the dock, I'd still keep the TF over the Xoom on the strength of the screen alone.
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That's the big draw, the screen (when it's OK) is head and shoulders above most of the other tablets without the IPS screens and obviously the price is right too.
I'm getting p*ssed off going back and forth to this and that tablet, each have their plus and minuses. I can see me getting another Transformer at this rate ... IT BETTER BE BETTER THAN MY OTHERS!
I had Iconia and was good, except for the wifi problems and the constant turning on when in sleep. The new software fixes them. I returned it because the screen was inferior to the transformer, the metal housing was to damn slippery...dropped it on carpet a few times...the weight of it..the thickness of it and the main was the better development community here for the transformer. It is really a good tablet(Iconia) but did not suit me.
I am debating on which to buy. I've been wanting a tablet for awhile now and have slimmed it down to these two options, but would like some feed back if possible.
I'm looking for s-off and root (quickly glancing at the forums, it looks like both are able to achieve this. I like to toy and tinker with things and having a root, with s-off, is a must for this.
Are there any huge differences between the two? I am liking the additional dock available for the Transformer.
Going to post this in the Iconia forum as well. Transformer people, win me over!
I've owned both and I can tell you that they're both great devices. It really depends on what you find more important.
The Iconia has a massive dev community, great sound, and a full sized USB port.
The Transformer has a brilliant display, is much lighter, has a full dock, VERY fast official updates, and a solid dev community.
My issue with the Iconia was really just the display (and weight to a certain extent). It has the second worst display of the current widely available android honeycomb tablets (Second only to the Xoom). 256K colors w/dithering vs 16M, and fairly poor display angles. That really sealed it for me. I loved the option of having the Virtuous roms available to me. Being able to run the UI of all of the other tables is a cool option, however I couldn't get past the washed out colors and blurry text. This tab also seems to suffer from the sleep of death a bit more than some of the other tabs out there (the Thrive is the worst suffering from this problem). This is where the tab goes into deep sleep and won't wake up. You have to hold the power button to reboot the device.
The Transformer isn't without it's own warts. The speaker quality is pretty poor overall. The biggest issue is that you're rolling the dice on a couple other problems that seem to happen at random regardless of the model revision (does seem to be a reduced chance of a lemon with the B6 and B7 revisions).
- Light bleed (standard led backlight flash lighting from the edges of the screen)
- Poor bezel attachment (the screen lifts in the corners on some tabs)
- Creaky back plate (the back panel of the tab creaks when manipulated)
Again, these are random and most that do have them don't see it as a deal breaker. I have 1 4mm spot of light bleed on the right side of my monitor that I can only see upon boot up in a completely dark room.
Modding on either of these tabs is incredibly easy to do. The NVFlash method of rooting/CWM'ing the Transformer is the easiest I've done. It's a wonderful thing. 3.2 was just released last week, so now we're all basking in the dev community molding that revision into new juicy roms and kernels.
go to bestbuy and try it out yourself. The A500 immediately turned me off the second I held it in my hands.
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go to bestbuy and try it out yourself. The A500 immediately turned me off the second I held it in my hands.
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Ditto, the form factor of the Iconia is plain ugly to me. As with the screen, it doesnt compare to the TF either.
+1 on Transformer.
+1 for TF - better display, slimmer, lighter, wonderful keyboard dock.
The Iconia does have better audio then the TF. If the Dolby enhancements are turned off , the Iconia sounds as bad as a TF.
I had a iconia for a few days, but eventually settled on a TF.
I have a TF for personal use and an Iconia I got for my store to take credit card payments (with Square). Besides the fact that I can't even use it for it's intended purpose (the Square credit card reader doesn't work with the Iconia for some reason) it is a pretty solid device.
However, in aesthetics.
The screen is not as good, it FEELS fatter and bulkier and the TF looks a lot more quality to me. The Iconia looks a bit dated and cheap (many others have commented on that as well).
I did put the two side by side and the Iconia is actually smaller than the TF.
You are going to get a lot of "pro Transformer" replies being that this is the Transformer forum, so I will give you the other side of the coin.
The Transformer has a proprietary power plug and they give you a very short cord. Accessories from Asus are freaking expensive and 3rd party accessories are almost non-existent.
I don't know how things are for Iconia 3rd party development (roms, etc) but for the Transformer it is relatively slow... not really much going on compared to other devices... very small number of interested developers.
Asus seems to be actively supporting the device, as a couple updates have been released for it, but they have failed to address some issues that have been complaints from the beginning for some people.
Overall, I am happy with the device. All devices have their drawbacks, so you just have to use the information you can find and make an informed decision. If I could do it over again I would spend the extra bucks and get a Galaxy Tab... but that's just me.
Im actually in the same boat as the op. I purchased both last week (using the $100 off Staples coupon) so i can get a hands on review of both. As of now, Im really leaning towards the TF but something keeps drawing to the Acer.
I like the screen on the TF and the feel of it, but the sound is terrible (even with the custom roms I have tried even tho i havent tried them all). I did like the usb on the Acer as I dont see myself buying the dock for the TF. I am a little concern with build quality as I am seeing more post of people having issues with screen/bleeding/spots appearing few months after having the TF.
In all I think you really cant go wrong with either but for me Im currently leaning towards the TF since it has the better screen and my main purpose for this is entertainment..just praying that the screen and build hold up long term
LOL you asked about whether getting TF or Icona in the TF forum and of course all these guys or gals here are owning TF so they +1 all for TF...
I would suggest to go with your guts,,,whatever you see the tablet applicable to your own use, go with it since you already narrowed down two... good luck
I chose TF because it weight, official update support, and I felt good when I held the TF in hand (have you held Viewsonic Gtab in hand? heavy like brick and uncomfortable? --it's just like that!)
One more thing,,, about the sound,,,it is tablet - do not expect it being great like laptop or PC - it won't be different if you use the headset
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You are going to get a lot of "pro Transformer" replies being that this is the Transformer forum, so I will give you the other side of the coin.
The Transformer has a proprietary power plug and they give you a very short cord. Accessories from Asus are freaking expensive and 3rd party accessories are almost non-existent.
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Just a fyi - I bought a 6 Foot USB 3.0 extension cord on amazon for $4.75 shipped. Now I have about a 9 foot power cord combined for cheap.
Otherwise, I agree. The power cord is so short, and makes no sense at all to me.
Just a quick reply before I go to work. I live in Japan. I don't have a Best Buy here. They have a Iconia A500 at the BX and I've played with it some, but can't compare to the Transformer.
I'll reply back later today when I have more time. Thanks for all the good input!
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You are going to get a lot of "pro Transformer" replies being that this is the Transformer forum, so I will give you the other side of the coin.
The Transformer has a proprietary power plug and they give you a very short cord. Accessories from Asus are freaking expensive and 3rd party accessories are almost non-existent.
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Like I said...I have both.
Acer power cord is just as short and it is also proprietary btw
Get what YOU want...NOT what we say.
Learn to think for yourself.
I agree. You should go with what works best for you.
I've tried each one to review and each has it's pro's and con's tbh.
The Iconia is just plain ugly for me to hold in my hands and feel comfortable with but that's just me. It is nice to have a USB on the tablet but Im not missing much if I just have my dock w/ tablet here. - The idea of a micro HDMI on a tablet, to me, is a not that practical as you have to hunt for those lil' things apposed to a mini HDMI cable which I just can't hype up anymore with everyone who see's this.
I also tried the Galaxy Tab bu I immediately returned it due to the fact that Sammy just completely cloned an iPad, leaving out any extra input options like micro SD!!!! - I'm not knocking on GTab owners at all but rly???
You should just youtube some videos and then see what you like.. THERE IS A RETURN POLICY FOR MOST STORES YOU KNOW
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Hi, I plan to buy a tablet in a few weeks and my favorites are also the iconia and the tf.
Right now I prefer the tf, but i've read in some reviews that thr video playback is sometimes laggy compared to other android tegra 2 tabs and this would be a deal breaker for me. Is fhis true? if so, do custom roms fix this problem?
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Good info... how is the availability/pricing on accessories for the Iconia?
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Get what YOU want...NOT what we say.
Learn to think for yourself.
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Alright. Thanks for all your replies everyone. I am and will decide for myself but since I cannot try out both I was reaching out to the community to give me their pro's and con's so I can weigh them for my own decision.
I'll have to go back to the BX later and play around with the Iconia some more. I didn't really play with the form factor, but what I really like from the Transformer is the keyboard/battery/etc dock. From my understanding it'll be future-compatible too.
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Just a fyi - I bought a 6 Foot USB 3.0 extension cord on amazon for $4.75 shipped. Now I have about a 9 foot power cord combined for cheap.
Otherwise, I agree. The power cord is so short, and makes no sense at all to me.
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Things like this is what I'm looking for. Thanks for all the positive feed back. I'm still a couple months away from getting either or, but like to research before I make the switch.
If you like the idea of the dock/keyboard/battery++, the choice is pretty much made.
Personally I think the dock makes the Transformer a completely different animal than all the other tablets out there. Funny thing is, I see the fact that you can use it as "strictly a tablet", as an added bonus of sorts. Not the other way around.
In my mind it's a little computer running Android, with a detachable screen. I can't picture myself ever owning "just a tablet" after getting used to my beloved Transformer.
Beware of bias. I'm in love.
Is the Transformer capable of stylus use? or does it allow for decent digital painting?
my 2 cents:
Asus Transformer
-way better screen (most important feature in a tablet, imho)
-a lot lighter then the Iconia (Iconia is the heaviest Android tablet)
-faster updates
-less freezes & runs smoother
-dock option
Acer Iconia
-USB port (the Transformer only has this on the dock)
-better built? allegedly. (my Asus is also very solid but the Iconia metal back feels stronger)
-better sound
-better camera (with flash)
For me it boils down to needing a USB port or not & to wanting the dock option or not.
If you don't need the USB port, then the Transformed is the obvious choice.
If you do (and don't want to spend the extra $150 for the dock) then go for the Acer.
Also if you really want a better screen and the dock option, again the obvious choice is the TF.
good luck & enjoy your new toy either or!