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I will assume that most of us on this board are early adopters, geek-heads, nerds or other types that just need their gadget fix.
We were all disappointed that the Thunderbolt went from one release date to another and another and another. When the product finally launched we all went through various motions of discounts, opening up new phone lines, equipment swapping with spouse, etc. I switched from ATT iPhone 4 to VZW the day after the TBolt Launch.
With all the little nuances (battery life, 4G/3G disconnects, etc) - I am extremely happy with what I have in my hands. We begged and begged for a product release and now we have it in hand. Half-baked? Not really (I have the Xoom, and I don't think that is half-baked). This piece of machinery rocks hardcore. Had the Atrix had the Inspire. But what made me do it was the 4G LTE radio. They all have minor problems (from my use cases). I really enjoy this handheld. I was begging for a product launch as soon as possible. Now that I have it - I will not complain. The paint is almost dry folks. Hang in there. I consider myself one of the fortunate users that were able to pickup a Thunderbolt.
Issues aside as an early adopter, are you happy with your Thunderbolt?
On a side note, I'm on my 3rd 17" Macbook Pro early 2011 Quad-Core due to over-heating issues. Yeah, it's from Apple - nothing is perfect.

The only thing I'm not happy with is the battery life while on LTE. I've got the toggle switch in there now but it's a pain to change it if I'm already in the middle of something, so I end up just leaving it on 3G all the time unless I'm doing something specific that benefits from the (awesome) speed bump. I'm hopeful that in the near future some of the battery-managing apps (JuiceDefender, etc.) will be updated to include LTE on/off options, so that for example I can have 4G turn off automatically when my phone's screen is off, or when my battery gets below 25%.

I am actually happy with the phone for the most part. The phone is VERY fast. I had a DroidX before and I thought that was a fast Android phone. The Thunderbolt is noticeably more snappier than the X though. The only time it lags is installing stuff from the market. Otherwise, it's blazing fast which I love.
Im in San Diego and the 4G coverage is AWESOME here. No drops or anything. The low latency on the 4G network makes the phone seem even faster when using apps like facebook. On the 3G network, it used to take a couple seconds for the network to respond, but now, data connections establish almost instantly.
The only thing that kills it is the battery. It makes the phone virtually unusable. It's like a Corvette with a 3 gallon gas tank. Sure it's fast, sexy and sleek, but you can only go about 50-60 miles before you're strandred on the side of the road and people are laughing at how your new performance machine has become a giant paperweight.
If no patch or fix comes out that at least marginnally improves the battery life, I might have to shell out full price for a Droid Bionic when it comes out. Moto seems to know how to make batteries. My Droid X battery EASILY last 18+ hours with good usage. My buddy's Atrix goes over 2 days on a charge. Then again, maybe crappy battery will be the price of admission when it comes to LTE. It's possible the Bionic will have atroicious battery life as well.

When everyone is saying poor battery life, "what do you consider poor?"
I've had a G1 since it first came out over 2 years ago, then got a G2 when it came out and the battery life was no where near my old "cell phone" as far as lasting that long.
Now compared to my laptop, I would say it was better than the laptop was.
I remember hearing these same complaints when Android phones first came out (Iphones for that matter as well).
So I guess I'm wondering what people consider poor? If I can get a good 8-10 hours with moderate use, I'm happy (and it's about what I would expect).
So what are your expectations?

I am pretty happy with my Thunderbolt.
I live in a 4G area, but I can tell at work, I am getting close to the edge of 4G range and my battery life is worse at work as a result. Overall, the battery is fairly comparable to my OG Droid battery life. In both cases I have kept my phone on the charger while at work. I will probably buy a spare battery for my Tbolt. I did that with my droid and never regretted it. I am not interested in the extra size from the extended battery.
I am happier with Sense than I thought I would be. It is sleek, responsive, and I find it makes a more pleasant experience.

I love the phone, but I'm still on the fence about whether or not to keep it. I'm past my 14 days, but I've always had good luck with selling my phones on Craigslist for almost twice what I pay. I put a listing on Craigslist to see what I could get and have offers already ranging from $200-$550.
Anyways, battery life and signal are my main issues. I'm also upset that when shooting video I can't hear a damn thing when playing it back.
On battery, I wake up for work and after charging my phone all night my battery is at 85% within 20 minutes. I thought my Samsung epic had bad battery life, but this is horrible. Im in a 4g area at home, and even with WiFi only on and most apps closed, battery is still bad. I can't even make it until noon without the battery being completely drained.
My other issue is signal. 4g is awesome when it works. However, I can sit in one spot and have full 3G but the phone constantly drops to 1X or no signal. My coworker has been beside me with her droidx and her phone maintains the full 3G signal. Same with another coworkers OG Droid .It's annoying to have a great phone with service that is constantly going in and out, or that can never be used to its full potential or used the way I want to use it, for fear of a dropped signal or dead battery.
I have a backup battery on the way so for now I'm gona deal with it. However, if the video recording isn't fixed with an update and I my signal issues persist I may have to sell my TB.
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Dnakaman said:
When everyone is saying poor battery life, "what do you consider poor?"
I've had a G1 since it first came out over 2 years ago, then got a G2 when it came out and the battery life was no where near my old "cell phone" as far as lasting that long.
Now compared to my laptop, I would say it was better than the laptop was.
I remember hearing these same complaints when Android phones first came out (Iphones for that matter as well).
So I guess I'm wondering what people consider poor? If I can get a good 8-10 hours with moderate use, I'm happy (and it's about what I would expect).
So what are your expectations?
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Poor = phone dropping a percent every few minutes of use. This morning it went from 100 to 80 within a hour and I hadnt used the phone for anything at all.. just turned on the screen a few times to check the battery level.
I might be spoiled by the Droid X because I never worried about the battery on that phone. With the Thunderbolt, Im always trying to keep it on a charger when Im not using it because it discharges so quickly.. I dont want to get stuck somewhere without a phone.

I love this phone, I love the development that's going on with it, and I can only see it getting better. Sure, there are some minor things, like GPS/Battery/Screen.. but I think it can all be worked through.

crazed_z06 said:
Poor = phone dropping a percent every few minutes of use. This morning it went from 100 to 80 within a hour and I hadnt used the phone for anything at all.. just turned on the screen a few times to check the battery level.
I might be spoiled by the Droid X because I never worried about the battery on that phone. With the Thunderbolt, Im always trying to keep it on a charger when Im not using it because it discharges so quickly.. I dont want to get stuck somewhere without a phone.
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I'm wondering what you have running in the backgroud that could be sucking up your battery. I've had mine off charge since 6am this morning. It's now almost 1:30 and I'm still at 79% charge. I've been using it to make some calls and play a game or two, check my emails when I get a notification and some web searches.
All of my android phones have been about the same.

I love it.

I sleep with mine

BurnOne77 said:
I sleep with mine
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I "sleep" with mine.
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crazed_z06 said:
I am actually happy with the phone for the most part. The phone is VERY fast. I had a DroidX before and I thought that was a fast Android phone. The Thunderbolt is noticeably more snappier than the X though. The only time it lags is installing stuff from the market. Otherwise, it's blazing fast which I love.
Im in San Diego and the 4G coverage is AWESOME here. No drops or anything. The low latency on the 4G network makes the phone seem even faster when using apps like facebook. On the 3G network, it used to take a couple seconds for the network to respond, but now, data connections establish almost instantly.
The only thing that kills it is the battery. It makes the phone virtually unusable. It's like a Corvette with a 3 gallon gas tank. Sure it's fast, sexy and sleek, but you can only go about 50-60 miles before you're strandred on the side of the road and people are laughing at how your new performance machine has become a giant paperweight.
If no patch or fix comes out that at least marginnally improves the battery life, I might have to shell out full price for a Droid Bionic when it comes out. Moto seems to know how to make batteries. My Droid X battery EASILY last 18+ hours with good usage. My buddy's Atrix goes over 2 days on a charge. Then again, maybe crappy battery will be the price of admission when it comes to LTE. It's possible the Bionic will have atroicious battery life as well.
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I don't really agree with this. I'm coming from the D2 and I could hardly ever make it the whole day without charging. Really no different from the The imo. Plus I don't think motos build quality was that good either. I was never really happy with that phone.
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squeeze said:
I will assume that most of us on this board are early adopters, geek-heads, nerds or other types that just need their gadget fix.
We were all disappointed that the Thunderbolt went from one release date to another and another and another. When the product finally launched we all went through various motions of discounts, opening up new phone lines, equipment swapping with spouse, etc. I switched from ATT iPhone 4 to VZW the day after the TBolt Launch.
With all the little nuances (battery life, 4G/3G disconnects, etc) - I am extremely happy with what I have in my hands. We begged and begged for a product release and now we have it in hand. Half-baked? Not really (I have the Xoom, and I don't think that is half-baked). This piece of machinery rocks hardcore. Had the Atrix had the Inspire. But what made me do it was the 4G LTE radio. They all have minor problems (from my use cases). I really enjoy this handheld. I was begging for a product launch as soon as possible. Now that I have it - I will not complain. The paint is almost dry folks. Hang in there. I consider myself one of the fortunate users that were able to pickup a Thunderbolt.
Issues aside as an early adopter, are you happy with your Thunderbolt?
On a side note, I'm on my 3rd 17" Macbook Pro early 2011 Quad-Core due to over-heating issues. Yeah, it's from Apple - nothing is perfect.
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Just got my TB yesterday. Speed Test is surprising though. I am getting 6-8 Mbps down but my upload is crazy fast 30-40 Mbps. Is this odd from what others are seeing? Been trying it in different locations and the pattern seems consistent so far.

I haven't really had any issues. I love this phone.

it's failure by design..

One would think by now, that after HTC put out the evo and other large screen devices they would have better batteries. Also not to mention the thunderbolts delayed release. No we waste more on extended batteries, and have no cases to protect the dam thing. I've tried all the tips out there for tweaking the battery to get max use and it still sucks. I'm still in my 14 day trail period and I'm thinking of bringing it back. I'm just pIssed companies have the nerve to do this BS!

Well take it back then. Try a blackberry out. Oh yeah those things have even worse batteries and the bis always fails.
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First off I get plenty fine battery for a phone as fast as this with LTE. The large, bright screen is just a bonus. If you are getting bad battery you have yourself to blame if you would read these forums as almost everyone here is getting great battery life.
Also, your battery size complaint is terrible, the droid X has almost the same battery and runs fine as well. The LTE right now is the killer, verizon has admitted it so either switch to 4g or 3g only and stop flooding the boards with this crap.

I make it through the day no problem, and with LTE on. First few days were terrible, but things seem to have improved drastically since then.

Take it back. Threads like this show that it's not for everyone.
Example - I have a car dock, I commute, I work on a comp. all day, easy enough to charge at home. I've never had this battery life issue everyone is talking about.

miketoasty said:
First off I get plenty fine battery for a phone as fast as this with LTE. The large, bright screen is just a bonus. If you are getting bad battery you have yourself to blame if you would read these forums as almost everyone here is getting great battery life.
Also, your battery size complaint is terrible, the droid X has almost the same battery and runs fine as well. The LTE right now is the killer, verizon has admitted it so either switch to 4g or 3g only and stop flooding the boards with this crap.
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uhhhhhh what? The majority says the battery sucks. Where have you been?

mojonation1487 said:
uhhhhhh what? The majority says the battery sucks. Where have you been?
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I have read WAY more posts about good battery life than I have bad. Where have you been? Yes, there are occasional posts about it but the vast majority after a little bit of tinkering have said good battery life.
My personal experience.
Took my phone off the charger at 96%. Used the GPS on a hour drive, sending texts and listening to music the whole way. Ate some dinner while continuing to send texts. Went to a hockey game and took ~30 Pics. Used the GPS to get back home with music and finally put the phone back on the charger. Time off charger 7 hours. Battery percentage 82%. Only 14% decrease with what I would say is some pretty moderate use.

One thing I actually thought was funny is I pulled out an old Sammy flip phone to see what size battery it had. 1100 mah. 5 years ago they were shipping dumbphones with 1100 mah batteries. Come to present day, a phone with 4G, a 1 ghz processor, and a ginormous lcd screen has a bump of 300 mah. Is something wrong with that?
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miketoasty said:
First off I get plenty fine battery for a phone as fast as this with LTE. The large, bright screen is just a bonus. If you are getting bad battery you have yourself to blame if you would read these forums as almost everyone here is getting great battery life.
Also, your battery size complaint is terrible, the droid X has almost the same battery and runs fine as well. The LTE right now is the killer, verizon has admitted it so either switch to 4g or 3g only and stop flooding the boards with this crap.
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I don't want to sound like a jackass, but I bought a 4G phone, not a 4G phone I need to use in 3G so I can make it through the day. In the end I just bought the extended battery. Solved all my woes.
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If I can figure out how to go 22 hours with 43% remaining on my phone with moderate to heavy use, than sure as hell you should be able to get at least 12-15 hours out of the phone, not knowing half of what I know.
cause that is all that matters right, making it through the day for how long your awake, so for most people 12-15 hours, then you are home and can plug it in.
who cares if you make it home and plug it in at 5%, it still lasted you all day.

I've done the 5 tips for better life, and thou it has a improved.... its a minor improvement. the phone is with out a doubt sweet, im just pissed bc i cant get a full day out of it. i work for 8 hours and leave the friggin thing in airplane mode, then on my way home i listen to music with it still in airplane mode subway kills it mad quick....i do and dont wanna bring it back i want the newest thing out, im coming from a OG moto droid.. 50-60 bucks for a goddamn battery that makes your phone last longer and turns it into a potential weapon...data/voice together is the only feature right now that is making it hard for me to decide if i should bring it back or not.. i got it this past Saturday i have 8 more days to decide, not to mention vzw wants the 35 dollar restock fee now. who remembers when they had the 30 day test run??? lmao they stop doing it because people kept bringing phones back within the period...

my phone definitely lasts me the day, but i don't think it would last the 10 to 15 hours that others are reporting. i already turned the brightness down to about 25 - 30 percent, turned off unnecessary widgets and sync'ing plus i set setcpu to throttle the cpu down to lowest speed when the screen is off. as such, i'd like to know what others are doing to squeeze so much battery time out of their TBs.

Custom Rom and Kernel seemed to help my battery life a ton. I can now easily make it all day with moderate to heavy use on stock battery. From the battery monitor, it looks like the screen will eat the most power, be sure to keep it set low. The underclock/volt while screen is off uses hardly any batter power and is really nice as well.

I'm getting awesome battery... My phone has been up for about twelve
Hours now and I still have about 45 percent... Heavy usage texting music internet and xda posting.
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TBJared said:
Custom Rom and Kernel seemed to help my battery life a ton. I can now easily make it all day with moderate to heavy use on stock battery. From the battery monitor, it looks like the screen will eat the most power, be sure to keep it set low. The underclock/volt while screen is off uses hardly any batter power and is really nice as well.
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On all Android devices the screen is the battery eater, except on 2.0/2.1 with Exchange Sync issues... then it could hang and eat the battery.

I've never really had an issue with battery life. That's not to say my battery lasts longer, i just use different methods to keep my devices alive.
AA USB chargers have always been a good friend of mine, as well as plugging my phone into my laptop while it's in my backpack.
I can't wait for an external battery charger to come out for the TB, then you just have 2 or 3 batteries and swap them out as needed.
But if you're expecting more than 8 hours or so off of one charge they're right, you may look for another device

Yah man, 3 hours of navigation, with music going, many calls, 3 hours of internet use, txt & talk and LTE and 3G switching through out all day because of traveling . I was really heavily using the phone with an extended battery but made it just over 24 hours... Try trading it in for another battery. Your not Wifi tethering all day as home network are you?

hammer4203 said:
Well take it back then. Try a blackberry out. Oh yeah those things have even worse batteries and the bis always fails.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. Blackberries are known for having excellent battery life. I had 12 hours 40 some odd minutes and was at 69% last night when i plugged my TB in to charge. I really don't understand the problem.
edit: proof, this was a few hours before i plugged it in.
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Stop whining about the phone. If you don't like the phone, take it back. No one here is forcing you to keep it.
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howtodoo? said:
One would think by now, that after HTC put out the evo and other large screen devices they would have better batteries. Also not to mention the thunderbolts delayed release. No we waste more on extended batteries, and have no cases to protect the dam thing. I've tried all the tips out there for tweaking the battery to get max use and it still sucks. I'm still in my 14 day trail period and I'm thinking of bringing it back. I'm just pIssed companies have the nerve to do this BS!
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You bought a device with a 4.3" screen and a brand new radio technology. Honestly, what did you expect.No phone out there with a screen that large has what could be considered great battery life. Sure some are better then others, but these are not BB devices. And while we are at it, lets be realistic here... if they put in a bigger battery you would be in here complaining about how large and how heavy the phone is.... You can't have everything, something has to give at some point.

Got a Bolt battery complaint? Read here...

I think the biggest complaint can be summed up this way. For HOW the Bolt was shipped, most people feel that they shouldnt have to tweak ANYTHING for it to last them all day. I, to a point agree, however, with that said look at any new computer. Can you pull it out of the box and just run it? Sure you can and it will work well for the AVERAGE user. Now, someone with more knowledge will want MORE out of their computer. Its the same with the battery life. Those of us that use it MORE will see crappy battery life. Why? Because were using it more.
Tips/tricks/apps and what not are for people that are going to use their phone MORE than the AVERAGE user will. My mom gets two days out of her Droid 2 before she has to charge it. ALL of her settings/themes/everything is stock out of the box and never bump charged. My sister has the EXACT same phone and was getting a single day use out of it. I installed JD on both of their phones, and my sister gets a little over a day and a half and my mom gets about two and a half days. My mom RARELY touches her phone while my sisters constantly using it. Two separate users, two separate charge times. One gets amazing battery life, the other complains about how short the battery lasts.
So, if you use your phone more than the AVERAGE user, expect below average battery life. This phone IS a battery hog, I will say that, but then again, my phones in my hand and Im playin with it every chance I get. ;-)
On this one, both parties are right and wrong. So agree to disagree, take the steps to get better battery life or move on. Its getting redic with the amount of threads there are dedicated to this topic.
YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING YOURSELF INTO WHEN YOU GOT THE PHONE.
Here are some links for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027802
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022434
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdE4xPfL8Fs
http://www.verizonwireless.com/thunderbolt-trade-extended-battery-2750-mah-cover.shtml
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/300920-post-ways-get-awesome-battery-life.html

The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.

RogerPodacter said:
The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.
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Different radios, different processors,different screen types = different power consumption

I did notice on the stock fimware before i rooted that the idle usage was virtually nothing. WAY better than my vibrant was. It seems since ive rooted and undervolted ive lost some battery life, but man the performance is so worth it.
Anyway, we are carrying around full computers with broadband speeds. im not complaining about battery life.

RogerPodacter said:
The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.
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If only.
My Bolt's (stock, rooted, custom rom, whatever) idle drain is about 36-40mA with bounces up to 90mA quite frequently.

Ok guys I apologize. A week ago I setup the current widget on 2 thunderbolt units here at the local Verizon store. Both collected data for a full week.
I just looked at the data and both phones stay at 34mA during idle time. Day after fly, over and over the results were identical, on both units. And they stayed on during the night too!
The bad part is that I did the same on the stock inspire at ATT, and that phone hit 1-3mA doing the same idle use. Which is a superb result. My nexus one stays around 5 mA.
So no wonder the thunderbolt sees worst battery life. You are gonna have to try a different ROM, or remove the crap stuff running.
Interesting though, perhaps Verizon has something running on the ROM. Go stock!

I had good battery capacity when mine was stock. It would last all day. Now if I played with the thing constantly it wouldn't. Using it here and there, I would never hit yellow.
I have tweaked it to get more batt life. I keep the screen on low setting unless I am outside and can't see it. Keep GPS/BT/WIFI off until i need it, and I shut the screen off when I am not actively using it. If you go under information, the screen uses the most battery life. Nothing to do with sense. Even GPS didn't come close to the screen usage. So I make sure the screen is off unless I am actively using it.

RogerPodacter said:
Ok guys I apologize. A week ago I setup the current widget on 2 thunderbolt units here at the local Verizon store. Both collected data for a full week.
I just looked at the data and both phones stay at 34mA during idle time. Day after fly, over and over the results were identical, on both units. And they stayed on during the night too!
The bad part is that I did the same on the stock inspire at ATT, and that phone hit 1-3mA doing the same idle use. Which is a superb result. My nexus one stays around 5 mA.
So no wonder the thunderbolt sees worst battery life. You are gonna have to try a different ROM, or remove the crap stuff running.
Interesting though, perhaps Verizon has something running on the ROM. Go stock!
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Hmm, that's not good. I can confirm that both my Nexus One and nexus S draw about 5mA. Any thoughts on what might be causing the bolt to draw 7 times the amount of power. Is there any way to monitor it?

jlevy73 said:
Hmm, that's not good. I can confirm that both my Nexus One and nexus S draw about 5mA. Any thoughts on what might be causing the bolt to draw 7 times the amount of power. Is there any way to monitor it?
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I really don't know what the reason is other than to say its just the stock ROM. In the other battery thread multiple people posted saying their thunderbolt only hit 30mA during idle. So I was skeptical but not anymore. Particularly because both working devices I checked had such damn similar results, both a little over 30mA. And there was a ton of data, from 2 devices, matching what this forum claims. Only suggestion is use another ROM.
Related story though. Previously I used the same ROM install for 5 months on my n1, and at the end the phone would only hit 50mA during idle over night. Presumably from just months of my data, app installs, etc. Clean flash took it right back to 5mA. Even with all apps re installed. So there is something to lots of crap loaded. Anecdotal, but proof enough for me.

the biggest battery hog for me is the screen, as long as you turn it off when your not using it and keep the auto - lock to 15s battery shouldnt be an issue for anyone

ALso, Juice Defender Beta has been updated on the market, and works well with the TB now.

I'm running the Virus Rom with Adrynalyne's 4.1b Kernel and I **** you not, last night I left my phones screen on (because its set to never dim but I should have the app control that now that I think of it) for 8 hours while I slept. Woke up and looked over at my phone lying on my nightstand with the screen on, picked it up and it was at 20% battery left. I think I passed out when it had 80% but I can't be sure (damn this Kraken Rum)
Either way. People with battery life complaints. I...I pity you.

I'm gettin 12 hours out of my TB
That's about the same as I got off my OG Droid
this is not a signature I type it in every time maybe sent from my phone or my computer

I'm getting about the same as my d1 running gingerbread. I'm still getting the extended battery too though. VZW is giving it to me for 18 dollars...
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McLabia said:
I think the biggest complaint can be summed up this way. For HOW the Bolt was shipped, most people feel that they shouldnt have to tweak ANYTHING for it to last them all day. I, to a point agree, however, with that said look at any new computer. Can you pull it out of the box and just run it? Sure you can and it will work well for the AVERAGE user. Now, someone with more knowledge will want MORE out of their computer. Its the same with the battery life. Those of us that use it MORE will see crappy battery life. Why? Because were using it more.
Tips/tricks/apps and what not are for people that are going to use their phone MORE than the AVERAGE user will. My mom gets two days out of her Droid 2 before she has to charge it. ALL of her settings/themes/everything is stock out of the box and never bump charged. My sister has the EXACT same phone and was getting a single day use out of it. I installed JD on both of their phones, and my sister gets a little over a day and a half and my mom gets about two and a half days. My mom RARELY touches her phone while my sisters constantly using it. Two separate users, two separate charge times. One gets amazing battery life, the other complains about how short the battery lasts.
So, if you use your phone more than the AVERAGE user, expect below average battery life. This phone IS a battery hog, I will say that, but then again, my phones in my hand and Im playin with it every chance I get. ;-)
On this one, both parties are right and wrong. So agree to disagree, take the steps to get better battery life or move on. Its getting redic with the amount of threads there are dedicated to this topic.
YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING YOURSELF INTO WHEN YOU GOT THE PHONE.
Here are some links for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027802
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022434
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdE4xPfL8Fs
http://www.verizonwireless.com/thunderbolt-trade-extended-battery-2750-mah-cover.shtml
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/300920-post-ways-get-awesome-battery-life.html
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disagree with most of this. i had a droid x prior and am using this device exaclty as much as i did that one. my battery life if HALF what the x was. and before you ask, i've had 4g toggled off continuously for the last week and have seen only marginal improvement.
i realize the t-bolt and the x have different processors/screens/radios, etc, but all-in-all they are pretty close performance-wise when i comes to everyday use. i can see the t-bolt having marginally worse battery life than the droid x, that would be a reasonable expectation. but HALF? sorry, not buying it.
i can't think of any other explanation than that the firmware
htc pushed out on this thing is flawed. not a dev though, so maybe i'm dumb...

If anything you should see improved battery life since the newer snap dragon is more power efficient, etc.

cwininger said:
disagree with most of this. i had a droid x prior and am using this device exaclty as much as i did that one. my battery life if HALF what the x was. and before you ask, i've had 4g toggled off continuously for the last week and have seen only marginal improvement.
i realize the t-bolt and the x have different processors/screens/radios, etc, but all-in-all they are pretty close performance-wise when i comes to everyday use. i can see the t-bolt having marginally worse battery life than the droid x, that would be a reasonable expectation. but HALF? sorry, not buying it.
i can't think of any other explanation than that the firmware
htc pushed out on this thing is flawed. not a dev though, so maybe i'm dumb...
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In the end, were talking about the Bolt, not the X. The X in this case is 100% irrelevant. You can disagree all you want, but my point still stands strong.

No battery complaints here. Half on 3g and half on 4g. This is with the htc extended battery. Running chingys rom with ziggy's latest bfs kernel oced to 1.49. Kik running the whole time.
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You can't compare the X to the thunderbolt. The X has a bigger battery to begin with, so you can't judge power efficiency based on uptime.
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In the end, were talking about the Bolt, not the X. The X in this case is 100% irrelevant. You can disagree all you want, but my point still stands strong.
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i'm not following you logic here. the droid x is a direct competitor. we're talking apples to apples here. it's significantly better in the battery area. i had an original droid before that and it was much better. how can that be irrelevant?
your notion that "this is just how smartphones are. you knew what you were getting so deal with it" is just plain wrong. we are discussing whether the battery life on the thunderbolt is a weakness or not. look at posts #5 and #6! you're telling me that's normal?
the idea that there are more people praising battery life on this thing than are complaining about it is wrong too. pop over the the htc forums and see the number one beef is over there. go into a verizon store and mention "thunderbolt battery life" to a tech and watch them roll their eyes.
bottom line: the thunderbolt is great in a lot of ways, but for a large percentage of us the battery life is pretty crappy, and for no good reason.

Battery stats....pssh

I'm tired of seeing all these battery threads of people saying " I get 18-24 hours of life off a single charge! " To you people I'm saying bs, the only way your getting this kind of life is if your not using your phone. So quit trying to say your a " power user " when your not. Fact is you don't use your phone hardly at all and are trying to " look cool " by making people think that you have some super thunderbolt....lol.
So that being said I take my bolt off the charger at 6am and can burn through the battery by 1030am. I am a power user. Now I will go ahead and post my screen shots of last night and this will show you why I'm calling bs on all these battery threads. The phone was pulled off at 100% charge, on wifi all night really no use besides email and whatever android runs at idle.
Let's all face it, the battery life sucks on the tbolt. As well as the dinc...
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This is just one persons view....don't get butt hurt over it.

Agreed.
If I leave my phone doing nothing for 24 hours, it might last all that time, but as soon as the screen comes off and I do anything with it, all bets are off. Simple texting causes the phone to discharge at the rate of 1 percent/minute. 1400 mah is just too small of battery for this device.. dont know what HTC was thinking. They should have left off the kick stand and made the entire rear of the phone all battery.

Talked with HTC last night. Patch coming out in a week or 2 that will address this issue. Its the way the modem is talking to the system.. Pulling way too much power even when 4G is idle.

Meaningless screenshots on their own. You have to dig into each subscreen and show how long the things were in use to be meaningful. Sure, you're Display used 57% of the battery juice that's been used, but how long was the screen on? 5 hours of the 13? That would be damn good battery life in my opinion. If it was on only 1 hour, maybe you have issues.
A real "power user" would just suck it up and buy the extended battery or buy a cheap spare and keep it in their pocket/wallet if they're going to be away from a charger the whole day. That's what I did, and it's big, ugly and heavy, but the Thunderbolt with the extended battery lasts this "power user" all day long most of the time.
YMMV.

distortedloop said:
Meaningless screenshots on their own. You have to dig into each subscreen and show how long the things were in use to be meaningful. Sure, you're Display used 57% of the battery juice that's been used, but how long was the screen on? 5 hours of the 13? That would be damn good battery life in my opinion. If it was on only 1 hour, maybe you have issues.
A real "power user" would just suck it up and buy the extended battery or buy a cheap spare and keep it in their pocket/wallet if they're going to be away from a charger the whole day. That's what I did, and it's big, ugly and heavy, but the Thunderbolt with the extended battery lasts this "power user" all day long most of the time.
YMMV.
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Extended battery is the way to go.
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I 2nd the extended battery!
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distortedloop said:
Meaningless screenshots on their own. You have to dig into each subscreen and show how long the things were in use to be meaningful. Sure, you're Display used 57% of the battery juice that's been used, but how long was the screen on? 5 hours of the 13? That would be damn good battery life in my opinion. If it was on only 1 hour, maybe you have issues.
A real "power user" would just suck it up and buy the extended battery or buy a cheap spare and keep it in their pocket/wallet if they're going to be away from a charger the whole day. That's what I did, and it's big, ugly and heavy, but the Thunderbolt with the extended battery lasts this "power user" all day long most of the time.
YMMV.
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Obviously you need to dig into each subscreen to get a better analysis. However I'm just posting on par with what others are going off of. Also I think you misunderstood my post. I'm not complaining about my battery life, my phone lasts as long as I need it to, which is nowhere near those hours on regular use. I was simply just staying a point towards all the battery threads.
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We all know that the Bolt has battery issues, why are we all so hung up on beating a dead dog? HTC is coming out with a revision until then suck it up and move on to more important things.........

Hmmm screen on for 2 hours straight and only dropped 20%. That means i should end up with about 10 hours with constant use. Seems pretty good to me since I wont be keeping it on for the whole time.
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hammer4203 said:
I 2nd the extended battery!
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Had one.. took it back. There is no reason a cell phone should weigh as much as a Glock 19.

luniz7 said:
I'm tired of seeing all these battery threads of people saying " I get 18-24 hours of life off a single charge! " To you people I'm saying bs, the only way your getting this kind of life is if your not using your phone. So quit trying to say your a " power user " when your not. Fact is you don't use your phone hardly at all and are trying to " look cool " by making people think that you have some super thunderbolt....lol.
So that being said I take my bolt off the charger at 6am and can burn through the battery by 1030am. I am a power user. Now I will go ahead and post my screen shots of last night and this will show you why I'm calling bs on all these battery threads. The phone was pulled off at 100% charge, on wifi all night really no use besides email and whatever android runs at idle.
Let's all face it, the battery life sucks on the tbolt. As well as the dinc...
This is just one persons view....don't get butt hurt over it.
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Agree completely. I'm at 62% after 5 hours off charger and solid lte coverage.
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sounds like you need a tablet, not a phone. these phones are not meant to be constantly on for hours. if thats the case - 4-5 hrs is great when you compare the zsize of the tbolt to the ipad which gets 10 hours.

luniz7 said:
I'm tired of seeing all these battery threads of people saying " I get 18-24 hours of life off a single charge! " To you people I'm saying bs, the only way your getting this kind of life is if your not using your phone. So quit trying to say your a " power user " when your not. Fact is you don't use your phone hardly at all and are trying to " look cool " by making people think that you have some super thunderbolt....lol.
So that being said I take my bolt off the charger at 6am and can burn through the battery by 1030am. I am a power user. Now I will go ahead and post my screen shots of last night and this will show you why I'm calling bs on all these battery threads. The phone was pulled off at 100% charge, on wifi all night really no use besides email and whatever android runs at idle.
Let's all face it, the battery life sucks on the tbolt. As well as the dinc...
This is just one persons view....don't get butt hurt over it.
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Well said! I respect your thread because I know what you mean and you are RIGHT! You are not complaining just stating facts. I kind of hate it when people grasp a hold of that "brand loyalty" mentality. Just because I purchased and own this phone (and like it too) doesn't mean I have to overlook and/or deny its flaws. That is how things get improved, with honest feedback. The Thunderbolt is an amazing device, probably the best phone I ever owned and I purchase a new smartphone about every six months. But make no mistake, it has a battery issue. Great to hear that HTC is on it, I knew they would be.

/sarcasm?
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Trevlo said:
Extended battery is the way to go.
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Exactly. I take mine off at about 545 every morning and make it till about 600 at night streaming music over bt all day. Personally I love the extended battery.
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This thread is ridiculous. The only reason you got bad battery life is you sit on 4G and, judging from your screenshot, were most likely downloading a million files at once while listening to music or something. You didn't use anything outside of the OS. This isn't stating facts, its stating personal experience. I am one of the people that can actually get 7-8 hours of use from this phone, and yes I actually USE the phone. So again, this thread = retarded. There were at least four other battery threads to complain in.
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Dont look at this thread it'll just make you mad,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1030203
My stats are on the second page.

mb02 said:
This thread is ridiculous. The only reason you got bad battery life is you sit on 4G and, judging from your screenshot, were most likely downloading a million files at once while listening to music or something. You didn't use anything outside of the OS. This isn't stating facts, its stating personal experience. I am one of the people that can actually get 7-8 hours of use from this phone, and yes I actually USE the phone. So again, this thread = retarded. There were at least four other battery threads to complain in.
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Everything you just said is "retarded". Why would I put my 4G phone in 3G mode if I'm in a constant 4G area? Almost every one of your points or lack there of isn't even a rebuttal to my points. You obviously can't comprehend anything that I said in the op....
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I agree with the OP, you guys need to stop bragging about to battery life, everyones definition of using the phone as a normal, or power user or whatever is totally different. On a good day, ill get 12 hours with the screen off for about 6-8 hours, others, ill get like 2 hours tops.
It all varies and you guys need to stop bashing the OP, hes just trying to prove a point and honestly hes right, everyone is different. You could just text a couple of times a day and think youre a power user because you have the speed and power of 4g

Nikolai2.1 said:
It all varies and you guys need to stop bashing the OP, hes just trying to prove a point and honestly hes right, everyone is different. You could just text a couple of times a day and think youre a power user because you have the speed and power of 4g
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There are two sides, some people use the phone one way and are unimpressed by the battery life. Others use the phone a different way and are impressed by the battery life. One side likes to complain that it sucks, the other side likes to say that it's great. Who are you to tell the happy people they should STFU? Likewise, who are the satisfied people to tell the complainers to STFU? HTC & Verizon clearly struck a midpoint with battery life and gave the heavy users an optional heavy battery. Threads like this are truly a waste of space though. If you don't like the battery life, buy an extra or extended battery, or return the phone. If you do like the battery life, great, but a thread on poor battery life is just as useless as a thread on good battery life. There is nothing that will change by making it "known" that the battery life is poor or great since only the end user can make that judgement.
Now look, I've extended an already poor thread.

leaked ruu still **** battery

So i am running the new radio that was leaked in the RUU a couple days back. I dont see any improvement in either battery life or reliability of my data connection nor is 4g/3G/1x/noG hand off any better. I live in pasadena ca, and trvl all through LA which is blanketed and EXCELLENT 4G coverage according to vzw.
anyone else? i am running das-bamf 1.5 remix. Also i just got a replacement phone this morning and still the same issues... Bleh. why cant people write radio code properly. Hire more proficient software engineers HTC!

Try just using stock. I used stock everything was a ton better then flashed das bamf and everything seemed to get worse. Just an idea.
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ddarvish said:
So i am running the new radio that was leaked in the RUU a couple days back. I dont see any improvement in either battery life or reliability of my data connection nor is 4g/3G/1x/noG hand off any better. I live in pasadena ca, and trvl all through LA which is blanketed and EXCELLENT 4G coverage according to vzw.
anyone else? i am running das-bamf 1.5 remix. Also i just got a replacement phone this morning and still the same issues... Bleh. why cant people write radio code properly. Hire more proficient software engineers HTC!
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Come on. How is it that others are seeing improvements, and that you are not is HTC's fault?
That, and its the FIRST LTE device. Early adopters get to deal with growing pains. Blame HTC all you want, but its no different than buying a 1st gen car.
I'm not trying to be rude, but how can you whine about this, when you arent even running official software?

ddarvish said:
So i am running the new radio that was leaked in the RUU a couple days back. I dont see any improvement in either battery life or reliability of my data connection nor is 4g/3G/1x/noG hand off any better. I live in pasadena ca, and trvl all through LA which is blanketed and EXCELLENT 4G coverage according to vzw.
anyone else? i am running das-bamf 1.5 remix. Also i just got a replacement phone this morning and still the same issues... Bleh. why cant people write radio code properly. Hire more proficient software engineers HTC!
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I'll trade you my brother's Eris for your TB

I am experiencing a completely different situation, I'm just outside of downtown LA and travel to the valley fairly often. My battery life was good to begin with and since flashing the new radio, whilst staying on stock ROM, it has just gotten better.
Currently running on 25% battery, been off the charger for 23 hours with moderate usage.
If you wanna replicate what I have, feel free....
ROM: stock
Radio: latest leak.
Kernel: imoseyon battsaver 1.11v
Running juice defender.
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Andehpwn said:
I am experiencing a completely different situation, I'm just outside of downtown LA and travel to the valley fairly often. My battery life was good to begin with and since flashing the new radio, whilst staying on stock ROM, it has just gotten better.
Currently running on 25% battery, been off the charger for 23 hours with moderate usage.
If you wanna replicate what I have, feel free....
ROM: stock
Radio: latest leak.
Kernel: imoseyon battsaver 1.11v
Running juice defender.
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well you are using all these battery saver stuff like juice defender which i refuse to use because i dont want my data connection to die after 5 mins of the screen being off. i may try another battery sipper kernel or something. the stock battery would never last me the whole day and even with the extended battery i see it go down about 8% an hour

Can't say anything really changed for me. I've been getting good battery life since I got my phone. With the new RUU, it's still the same.
I'm still only on 3g btw, no 4g in Sacramento yet.

i kno right

The TB snaps right on to 4G when I come out of screen lock. No issues here.
Definitely has to be something you're doing, cause the overwhelming consensus is that the battery life us improved.
Best of luck getting the most out of the phone though!
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I too am getting very good battery life with the new leak. my battery is currently at 52% and its been unplugged for 10 hours. I leave LTE always on. Ive been using it with moderate usage. Could it be a defective battery? Or maybe a poorly coded app thats draining the battery in the background?

Using Tesla Coil 1.7 here and it works great. I never get reliable service at my house, dont know why even though it is blanketed with 4g according to verizon. I do get better coverage then I did with older radio.
I unplugged my phone at 10 in the morning and eleven hours later I am at 45%. Well at my house I drop out of 4g alot and thats when I loose battery when it keeps cycling between 4g and 3g, but outside and work, school, driving around I get great 4g, I do get decent 4g at home but not nearly as good as I get outside.
When I left home I was already at 85% battery so sitting for 40 mins after I woke up the phone went down 15% it is because if I forget to turn on wifi the phone will keep switching radios if I put it somewhere in my room where I get bad signal, lol.
I was at work for 9 hours and came back I still had 60% battery and I used it for moderately as well and 4g was on the whole time. and used it after I got home. Right now I have it sitting next to me with wifi enabled and the battery hasn't gone down even 1% in the last 15 mins. Plus I am overclocke to 1228mhz on the cpu.

ddarvish said:
So i am running the new radio that was leaked in the RUU a couple days back. I dont see any improvement in either battery life or reliability of my data connection nor is 4g/3G/1x/noG hand off any better. I live in pasadena ca, and trvl all through LA which is blanketed and EXCELLENT 4G coverage according to vzw.
anyone else? i am running das-bamf 1.5 remix. Also i just got a replacement phone this morning and still the same issues... Bleh. why cant people write radio code properly. Hire more proficient software engineers HTC!
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I am kinda new to HTC and such but my advice for you is try to get a new phone from Verizon. There is a way to change back to stock ROM. On a side note, half your Max CPU speed and put it on conservative. That aught to save some juice with very very small compromise to your daily routine performance.
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I pass the 210 and the 134 everyday for work. I'm running das bamf for my daily driver and have the new radio installed.
Everything has improved.
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I think my battery life is probably about the same as it was before. Not really sure. But I did manage to get through a whole day at work while playing podcasts through google listen all day.

I've seen a considerable increase in battery usage since the update... Here are my stats... Juice Defender is running but I DO NOT HAVE IT KILLING DATA when the screen is off. I like my data and I didn't buy the phone just to neuter it.
I live in a solid 4G spread and I don't use WiFi... My 4G is way faster than my cable hook up.
I am running the stock leaked RUU. I Only DeBloated it.
These are perfectly acceptable to me for a device of this caliber. This was an average day in the life of my TB.
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jasonxlee01 said:
I too am getting very good battery life with the new leak. my battery is currently at 52% and its been unplugged for 10 hours. I leave LTE always on. Ive been using it with moderate usage. Could it be a defective battery? Or maybe a poorly coded app thats draining the battery in the background?
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dude how are you seeing them types of hours with LTE Always On?

ddarvish said:
So i am running the new radio that was leaked in the RUU a couple days back. I dont see any improvement in either battery life or reliability of my data connection nor is 4g/3G/1x/noG hand off any better. I live in pasadena ca, and trvl all through LA which is blanketed and EXCELLENT 4G coverage according to vzw.
anyone else? i am running das-bamf 1.5 remix. Also i just got a replacement phone this morning and still the same issues... Bleh. why cant people write radio code properly. Hire more proficient software engineers HTC!
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Damn HTC? Why don't they listen to your advice? Why?

I noticed yesterday evening my phone was dropping 4G constantly, usually it's spot on, maybe Verizon was tweaking the towers in Socal? Just an idea, it's fine for me today though.

ddarvish said:
well you are using all these battery saver stuff like juice defender which i refuse to use because i dont want my data connection to die after 5 mins of the screen being off. i may try another battery sipper kernel or something. the stock battery would never last me the whole day and even with the extended battery i see it go down about 8% an hour
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The data connection being always on is what's killing the battery.
With all the battery tweaking Ive done, Ive determined that having the mobile data always on is the quickest way to drain your battery. At first I unchecked "always on mobile data" and that saved a bit of battery. Im using JD now, and saving even more.
I understand if you depend on Push notifications, this isnt a solution, but for me, nothing is so important that I need to get the notification right away. With data off, you get Calls and SMS when they come through and that's what really matters.
When you power the screen on, the data connection establishes and stuff comes through. What's nice with JD is you can have it turn on data periodically to let push updates come through.

DroidTh3ory said:
I've seen a considerable increase in battery usage since the update... Here are my stats... Juice Defender is running but I DO NOT HAVE IT KILLING DATA when the screen is off. I like my data and I didn't buy the phone just to neuter it.
I live in a solid 4G spread and I don't use WiFi... My 4G is way faster than my cable hook up.
I am running the stock leaked RUU. I Only DeBloated it.
These are perfectly acceptable to me for a device of this caliber. This was an average day in the life of my TB.
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okay is this the stock battery or extended? what other settings on juice defender are u using then if it is not killing data which i thought was the biggest thing it does? those hours are insane.. i cant believe you are getting such great battery life without turning off your data.
BTW i know many people thing some rouge app or something is killing my battery but i looked at both my battery stats and spare parts and see nothing of the sorts. in addition i have had the same apps on my fascinate and OG droid and that was never issue on the phone.
just an update for the day i have used my phone for a few emails, listening to 15 mins of music via wired headphones and a 5min phone call ALL using the extended battery. my phone has been unplugged for 2hr40min and is at 88%