I will assume that most of us on this board are early adopters, geek-heads, nerds or other types that just need their gadget fix.
We were all disappointed that the Thunderbolt went from one release date to another and another and another. When the product finally launched we all went through various motions of discounts, opening up new phone lines, equipment swapping with spouse, etc. I switched from ATT iPhone 4 to VZW the day after the TBolt Launch.
With all the little nuances (battery life, 4G/3G disconnects, etc) - I am extremely happy with what I have in my hands. We begged and begged for a product release and now we have it in hand. Half-baked? Not really (I have the Xoom, and I don't think that is half-baked). This piece of machinery rocks hardcore. Had the Atrix had the Inspire. But what made me do it was the 4G LTE radio. They all have minor problems (from my use cases). I really enjoy this handheld. I was begging for a product launch as soon as possible. Now that I have it - I will not complain. The paint is almost dry folks. Hang in there. I consider myself one of the fortunate users that were able to pickup a Thunderbolt.
Issues aside as an early adopter, are you happy with your Thunderbolt?
On a side note, I'm on my 3rd 17" Macbook Pro early 2011 Quad-Core due to over-heating issues. Yeah, it's from Apple - nothing is perfect.
The only thing I'm not happy with is the battery life while on LTE. I've got the toggle switch in there now but it's a pain to change it if I'm already in the middle of something, so I end up just leaving it on 3G all the time unless I'm doing something specific that benefits from the (awesome) speed bump. I'm hopeful that in the near future some of the battery-managing apps (JuiceDefender, etc.) will be updated to include LTE on/off options, so that for example I can have 4G turn off automatically when my phone's screen is off, or when my battery gets below 25%.
I am actually happy with the phone for the most part. The phone is VERY fast. I had a DroidX before and I thought that was a fast Android phone. The Thunderbolt is noticeably more snappier than the X though. The only time it lags is installing stuff from the market. Otherwise, it's blazing fast which I love.
Im in San Diego and the 4G coverage is AWESOME here. No drops or anything. The low latency on the 4G network makes the phone seem even faster when using apps like facebook. On the 3G network, it used to take a couple seconds for the network to respond, but now, data connections establish almost instantly.
The only thing that kills it is the battery. It makes the phone virtually unusable. It's like a Corvette with a 3 gallon gas tank. Sure it's fast, sexy and sleek, but you can only go about 50-60 miles before you're strandred on the side of the road and people are laughing at how your new performance machine has become a giant paperweight.
If no patch or fix comes out that at least marginnally improves the battery life, I might have to shell out full price for a Droid Bionic when it comes out. Moto seems to know how to make batteries. My Droid X battery EASILY last 18+ hours with good usage. My buddy's Atrix goes over 2 days on a charge. Then again, maybe crappy battery will be the price of admission when it comes to LTE. It's possible the Bionic will have atroicious battery life as well.
When everyone is saying poor battery life, "what do you consider poor?"
I've had a G1 since it first came out over 2 years ago, then got a G2 when it came out and the battery life was no where near my old "cell phone" as far as lasting that long.
Now compared to my laptop, I would say it was better than the laptop was.
I remember hearing these same complaints when Android phones first came out (Iphones for that matter as well).
So I guess I'm wondering what people consider poor? If I can get a good 8-10 hours with moderate use, I'm happy (and it's about what I would expect).
So what are your expectations?
I am pretty happy with my Thunderbolt.
I live in a 4G area, but I can tell at work, I am getting close to the edge of 4G range and my battery life is worse at work as a result. Overall, the battery is fairly comparable to my OG Droid battery life. In both cases I have kept my phone on the charger while at work. I will probably buy a spare battery for my Tbolt. I did that with my droid and never regretted it. I am not interested in the extra size from the extended battery.
I am happier with Sense than I thought I would be. It is sleek, responsive, and I find it makes a more pleasant experience.
I love the phone, but I'm still on the fence about whether or not to keep it. I'm past my 14 days, but I've always had good luck with selling my phones on Craigslist for almost twice what I pay. I put a listing on Craigslist to see what I could get and have offers already ranging from $200-$550.
Anyways, battery life and signal are my main issues. I'm also upset that when shooting video I can't hear a damn thing when playing it back.
On battery, I wake up for work and after charging my phone all night my battery is at 85% within 20 minutes. I thought my Samsung epic had bad battery life, but this is horrible. Im in a 4g area at home, and even with WiFi only on and most apps closed, battery is still bad. I can't even make it until noon without the battery being completely drained.
My other issue is signal. 4g is awesome when it works. However, I can sit in one spot and have full 3G but the phone constantly drops to 1X or no signal. My coworker has been beside me with her droidx and her phone maintains the full 3G signal. Same with another coworkers OG Droid .It's annoying to have a great phone with service that is constantly going in and out, or that can never be used to its full potential or used the way I want to use it, for fear of a dropped signal or dead battery.
I have a backup battery on the way so for now I'm gona deal with it. However, if the video recording isn't fixed with an update and I my signal issues persist I may have to sell my TB.
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Dnakaman said:
When everyone is saying poor battery life, "what do you consider poor?"
I've had a G1 since it first came out over 2 years ago, then got a G2 when it came out and the battery life was no where near my old "cell phone" as far as lasting that long.
Now compared to my laptop, I would say it was better than the laptop was.
I remember hearing these same complaints when Android phones first came out (Iphones for that matter as well).
So I guess I'm wondering what people consider poor? If I can get a good 8-10 hours with moderate use, I'm happy (and it's about what I would expect).
So what are your expectations?
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Poor = phone dropping a percent every few minutes of use. This morning it went from 100 to 80 within a hour and I hadnt used the phone for anything at all.. just turned on the screen a few times to check the battery level.
I might be spoiled by the Droid X because I never worried about the battery on that phone. With the Thunderbolt, Im always trying to keep it on a charger when Im not using it because it discharges so quickly.. I dont want to get stuck somewhere without a phone.
I love this phone, I love the development that's going on with it, and I can only see it getting better. Sure, there are some minor things, like GPS/Battery/Screen.. but I think it can all be worked through.
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Poor = phone dropping a percent every few minutes of use. This morning it went from 100 to 80 within a hour and I hadnt used the phone for anything at all.. just turned on the screen a few times to check the battery level.
I might be spoiled by the Droid X because I never worried about the battery on that phone. With the Thunderbolt, Im always trying to keep it on a charger when Im not using it because it discharges so quickly.. I dont want to get stuck somewhere without a phone.
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I'm wondering what you have running in the backgroud that could be sucking up your battery. I've had mine off charge since 6am this morning. It's now almost 1:30 and I'm still at 79% charge. I've been using it to make some calls and play a game or two, check my emails when I get a notification and some web searches.
All of my android phones have been about the same.
I love it.
I sleep with mine
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I sleep with mine
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I am actually happy with the phone for the most part. The phone is VERY fast. I had a DroidX before and I thought that was a fast Android phone. The Thunderbolt is noticeably more snappier than the X though. The only time it lags is installing stuff from the market. Otherwise, it's blazing fast which I love.
Im in San Diego and the 4G coverage is AWESOME here. No drops or anything. The low latency on the 4G network makes the phone seem even faster when using apps like facebook. On the 3G network, it used to take a couple seconds for the network to respond, but now, data connections establish almost instantly.
The only thing that kills it is the battery. It makes the phone virtually unusable. It's like a Corvette with a 3 gallon gas tank. Sure it's fast, sexy and sleek, but you can only go about 50-60 miles before you're strandred on the side of the road and people are laughing at how your new performance machine has become a giant paperweight.
If no patch or fix comes out that at least marginnally improves the battery life, I might have to shell out full price for a Droid Bionic when it comes out. Moto seems to know how to make batteries. My Droid X battery EASILY last 18+ hours with good usage. My buddy's Atrix goes over 2 days on a charge. Then again, maybe crappy battery will be the price of admission when it comes to LTE. It's possible the Bionic will have atroicious battery life as well.
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I don't really agree with this. I'm coming from the D2 and I could hardly ever make it the whole day without charging. Really no different from the The imo. Plus I don't think motos build quality was that good either. I was never really happy with that phone.
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squeeze said:
I will assume that most of us on this board are early adopters, geek-heads, nerds or other types that just need their gadget fix.
We were all disappointed that the Thunderbolt went from one release date to another and another and another. When the product finally launched we all went through various motions of discounts, opening up new phone lines, equipment swapping with spouse, etc. I switched from ATT iPhone 4 to VZW the day after the TBolt Launch.
With all the little nuances (battery life, 4G/3G disconnects, etc) - I am extremely happy with what I have in my hands. We begged and begged for a product release and now we have it in hand. Half-baked? Not really (I have the Xoom, and I don't think that is half-baked). This piece of machinery rocks hardcore. Had the Atrix had the Inspire. But what made me do it was the 4G LTE radio. They all have minor problems (from my use cases). I really enjoy this handheld. I was begging for a product launch as soon as possible. Now that I have it - I will not complain. The paint is almost dry folks. Hang in there. I consider myself one of the fortunate users that were able to pickup a Thunderbolt.
Issues aside as an early adopter, are you happy with your Thunderbolt?
On a side note, I'm on my 3rd 17" Macbook Pro early 2011 Quad-Core due to over-heating issues. Yeah, it's from Apple - nothing is perfect.
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Just got my TB yesterday. Speed Test is surprising though. I am getting 6-8 Mbps down but my upload is crazy fast 30-40 Mbps. Is this odd from what others are seeing? Been trying it in different locations and the pattern seems consistent so far.
I haven't really had any issues. I love this phone.
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One would think by now, that after HTC put out the evo and other large screen devices they would have better batteries. Also not to mention the thunderbolts delayed release. No we waste more on extended batteries, and have no cases to protect the dam thing. I've tried all the tips out there for tweaking the battery to get max use and it still sucks. I'm still in my 14 day trail period and I'm thinking of bringing it back. I'm just pIssed companies have the nerve to do this BS!
Well take it back then. Try a blackberry out. Oh yeah those things have even worse batteries and the bis always fails.
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First off I get plenty fine battery for a phone as fast as this with LTE. The large, bright screen is just a bonus. If you are getting bad battery you have yourself to blame if you would read these forums as almost everyone here is getting great battery life.
Also, your battery size complaint is terrible, the droid X has almost the same battery and runs fine as well. The LTE right now is the killer, verizon has admitted it so either switch to 4g or 3g only and stop flooding the boards with this crap.
I make it through the day no problem, and with LTE on. First few days were terrible, but things seem to have improved drastically since then.
Take it back. Threads like this show that it's not for everyone.
Example - I have a car dock, I commute, I work on a comp. all day, easy enough to charge at home. I've never had this battery life issue everyone is talking about.
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First off I get plenty fine battery for a phone as fast as this with LTE. The large, bright screen is just a bonus. If you are getting bad battery you have yourself to blame if you would read these forums as almost everyone here is getting great battery life.
Also, your battery size complaint is terrible, the droid X has almost the same battery and runs fine as well. The LTE right now is the killer, verizon has admitted it so either switch to 4g or 3g only and stop flooding the boards with this crap.
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uhhhhhh what? The majority says the battery sucks. Where have you been?
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uhhhhhh what? The majority says the battery sucks. Where have you been?
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I have read WAY more posts about good battery life than I have bad. Where have you been? Yes, there are occasional posts about it but the vast majority after a little bit of tinkering have said good battery life.
My personal experience.
Took my phone off the charger at 96%. Used the GPS on a hour drive, sending texts and listening to music the whole way. Ate some dinner while continuing to send texts. Went to a hockey game and took ~30 Pics. Used the GPS to get back home with music and finally put the phone back on the charger. Time off charger 7 hours. Battery percentage 82%. Only 14% decrease with what I would say is some pretty moderate use.
One thing I actually thought was funny is I pulled out an old Sammy flip phone to see what size battery it had. 1100 mah. 5 years ago they were shipping dumbphones with 1100 mah batteries. Come to present day, a phone with 4G, a 1 ghz processor, and a ginormous lcd screen has a bump of 300 mah. Is something wrong with that?
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First off I get plenty fine battery for a phone as fast as this with LTE. The large, bright screen is just a bonus. If you are getting bad battery you have yourself to blame if you would read these forums as almost everyone here is getting great battery life.
Also, your battery size complaint is terrible, the droid X has almost the same battery and runs fine as well. The LTE right now is the killer, verizon has admitted it so either switch to 4g or 3g only and stop flooding the boards with this crap.
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I don't want to sound like a jackass, but I bought a 4G phone, not a 4G phone I need to use in 3G so I can make it through the day. In the end I just bought the extended battery. Solved all my woes.
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If I can figure out how to go 22 hours with 43% remaining on my phone with moderate to heavy use, than sure as hell you should be able to get at least 12-15 hours out of the phone, not knowing half of what I know.
cause that is all that matters right, making it through the day for how long your awake, so for most people 12-15 hours, then you are home and can plug it in.
who cares if you make it home and plug it in at 5%, it still lasted you all day.
I've done the 5 tips for better life, and thou it has a improved.... its a minor improvement. the phone is with out a doubt sweet, im just pissed bc i cant get a full day out of it. i work for 8 hours and leave the friggin thing in airplane mode, then on my way home i listen to music with it still in airplane mode subway kills it mad quick....i do and dont wanna bring it back i want the newest thing out, im coming from a OG moto droid.. 50-60 bucks for a goddamn battery that makes your phone last longer and turns it into a potential weapon...data/voice together is the only feature right now that is making it hard for me to decide if i should bring it back or not.. i got it this past Saturday i have 8 more days to decide, not to mention vzw wants the 35 dollar restock fee now. who remembers when they had the 30 day test run??? lmao they stop doing it because people kept bringing phones back within the period...
my phone definitely lasts me the day, but i don't think it would last the 10 to 15 hours that others are reporting. i already turned the brightness down to about 25 - 30 percent, turned off unnecessary widgets and sync'ing plus i set setcpu to throttle the cpu down to lowest speed when the screen is off. as such, i'd like to know what others are doing to squeeze so much battery time out of their TBs.
Custom Rom and Kernel seemed to help my battery life a ton. I can now easily make it all day with moderate to heavy use on stock battery. From the battery monitor, it looks like the screen will eat the most power, be sure to keep it set low. The underclock/volt while screen is off uses hardly any batter power and is really nice as well.
I'm getting awesome battery... My phone has been up for about twelve
Hours now and I still have about 45 percent... Heavy usage texting music internet and xda posting.
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TBJared said:
Custom Rom and Kernel seemed to help my battery life a ton. I can now easily make it all day with moderate to heavy use on stock battery. From the battery monitor, it looks like the screen will eat the most power, be sure to keep it set low. The underclock/volt while screen is off uses hardly any batter power and is really nice as well.
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On all Android devices the screen is the battery eater, except on 2.0/2.1 with Exchange Sync issues... then it could hang and eat the battery.
I've never really had an issue with battery life. That's not to say my battery lasts longer, i just use different methods to keep my devices alive.
AA USB chargers have always been a good friend of mine, as well as plugging my phone into my laptop while it's in my backpack.
I can't wait for an external battery charger to come out for the TB, then you just have 2 or 3 batteries and swap them out as needed.
But if you're expecting more than 8 hours or so off of one charge they're right, you may look for another device
Yah man, 3 hours of navigation, with music going, many calls, 3 hours of internet use, txt & talk and LTE and 3G switching through out all day because of traveling . I was really heavily using the phone with an extended battery but made it just over 24 hours... Try trading it in for another battery. Your not Wifi tethering all day as home network are you?
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Well take it back then. Try a blackberry out. Oh yeah those things have even worse batteries and the bis always fails.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. Blackberries are known for having excellent battery life. I had 12 hours 40 some odd minutes and was at 69% last night when i plugged my TB in to charge. I really don't understand the problem.
edit: proof, this was a few hours before i plugged it in.
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Stop whining about the phone. If you don't like the phone, take it back. No one here is forcing you to keep it.
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One would think by now, that after HTC put out the evo and other large screen devices they would have better batteries. Also not to mention the thunderbolts delayed release. No we waste more on extended batteries, and have no cases to protect the dam thing. I've tried all the tips out there for tweaking the battery to get max use and it still sucks. I'm still in my 14 day trail period and I'm thinking of bringing it back. I'm just pIssed companies have the nerve to do this BS!
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You bought a device with a 4.3" screen and a brand new radio technology. Honestly, what did you expect.No phone out there with a screen that large has what could be considered great battery life. Sure some are better then others, but these are not BB devices. And while we are at it, lets be realistic here... if they put in a bigger battery you would be in here complaining about how large and how heavy the phone is.... You can't have everything, something has to give at some point.
I think the biggest complaint can be summed up this way. For HOW the Bolt was shipped, most people feel that they shouldnt have to tweak ANYTHING for it to last them all day. I, to a point agree, however, with that said look at any new computer. Can you pull it out of the box and just run it? Sure you can and it will work well for the AVERAGE user. Now, someone with more knowledge will want MORE out of their computer. Its the same with the battery life. Those of us that use it MORE will see crappy battery life. Why? Because were using it more.
Tips/tricks/apps and what not are for people that are going to use their phone MORE than the AVERAGE user will. My mom gets two days out of her Droid 2 before she has to charge it. ALL of her settings/themes/everything is stock out of the box and never bump charged. My sister has the EXACT same phone and was getting a single day use out of it. I installed JD on both of their phones, and my sister gets a little over a day and a half and my mom gets about two and a half days. My mom RARELY touches her phone while my sisters constantly using it. Two separate users, two separate charge times. One gets amazing battery life, the other complains about how short the battery lasts.
So, if you use your phone more than the AVERAGE user, expect below average battery life. This phone IS a battery hog, I will say that, but then again, my phones in my hand and Im playin with it every chance I get. ;-)
On this one, both parties are right and wrong. So agree to disagree, take the steps to get better battery life or move on. Its getting redic with the amount of threads there are dedicated to this topic.
YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING YOURSELF INTO WHEN YOU GOT THE PHONE.
Here are some links for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027802
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022434
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdE4xPfL8Fs
http://www.verizonwireless.com/thunderbolt-trade-extended-battery-2750-mah-cover.shtml
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/300920-post-ways-get-awesome-battery-life.html
The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.
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The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.
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Different radios, different processors,different screen types = different power consumption
I did notice on the stock fimware before i rooted that the idle usage was virtually nothing. WAY better than my vibrant was. It seems since ive rooted and undervolted ive lost some battery life, but man the performance is so worth it.
Anyway, we are carrying around full computers with broadband speeds. im not complaining about battery life.
RogerPodacter said:
The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.
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If only.
My Bolt's (stock, rooted, custom rom, whatever) idle drain is about 36-40mA with bounces up to 90mA quite frequently.
Ok guys I apologize. A week ago I setup the current widget on 2 thunderbolt units here at the local Verizon store. Both collected data for a full week.
I just looked at the data and both phones stay at 34mA during idle time. Day after fly, over and over the results were identical, on both units. And they stayed on during the night too!
The bad part is that I did the same on the stock inspire at ATT, and that phone hit 1-3mA doing the same idle use. Which is a superb result. My nexus one stays around 5 mA.
So no wonder the thunderbolt sees worst battery life. You are gonna have to try a different ROM, or remove the crap stuff running.
Interesting though, perhaps Verizon has something running on the ROM. Go stock!
I had good battery capacity when mine was stock. It would last all day. Now if I played with the thing constantly it wouldn't. Using it here and there, I would never hit yellow.
I have tweaked it to get more batt life. I keep the screen on low setting unless I am outside and can't see it. Keep GPS/BT/WIFI off until i need it, and I shut the screen off when I am not actively using it. If you go under information, the screen uses the most battery life. Nothing to do with sense. Even GPS didn't come close to the screen usage. So I make sure the screen is off unless I am actively using it.
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Ok guys I apologize. A week ago I setup the current widget on 2 thunderbolt units here at the local Verizon store. Both collected data for a full week.
I just looked at the data and both phones stay at 34mA during idle time. Day after fly, over and over the results were identical, on both units. And they stayed on during the night too!
The bad part is that I did the same on the stock inspire at ATT, and that phone hit 1-3mA doing the same idle use. Which is a superb result. My nexus one stays around 5 mA.
So no wonder the thunderbolt sees worst battery life. You are gonna have to try a different ROM, or remove the crap stuff running.
Interesting though, perhaps Verizon has something running on the ROM. Go stock!
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Hmm, that's not good. I can confirm that both my Nexus One and nexus S draw about 5mA. Any thoughts on what might be causing the bolt to draw 7 times the amount of power. Is there any way to monitor it?
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Hmm, that's not good. I can confirm that both my Nexus One and nexus S draw about 5mA. Any thoughts on what might be causing the bolt to draw 7 times the amount of power. Is there any way to monitor it?
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I really don't know what the reason is other than to say its just the stock ROM. In the other battery thread multiple people posted saying their thunderbolt only hit 30mA during idle. So I was skeptical but not anymore. Particularly because both working devices I checked had such damn similar results, both a little over 30mA. And there was a ton of data, from 2 devices, matching what this forum claims. Only suggestion is use another ROM.
Related story though. Previously I used the same ROM install for 5 months on my n1, and at the end the phone would only hit 50mA during idle over night. Presumably from just months of my data, app installs, etc. Clean flash took it right back to 5mA. Even with all apps re installed. So there is something to lots of crap loaded. Anecdotal, but proof enough for me.
the biggest battery hog for me is the screen, as long as you turn it off when your not using it and keep the auto - lock to 15s battery shouldnt be an issue for anyone
ALso, Juice Defender Beta has been updated on the market, and works well with the TB now.
I'm running the Virus Rom with Adrynalyne's 4.1b Kernel and I **** you not, last night I left my phones screen on (because its set to never dim but I should have the app control that now that I think of it) for 8 hours while I slept. Woke up and looked over at my phone lying on my nightstand with the screen on, picked it up and it was at 20% battery left. I think I passed out when it had 80% but I can't be sure (damn this Kraken Rum)
Either way. People with battery life complaints. I...I pity you.
I'm gettin 12 hours out of my TB
That's about the same as I got off my OG Droid
this is not a signature I type it in every time maybe sent from my phone or my computer
I'm getting about the same as my d1 running gingerbread. I'm still getting the extended battery too though. VZW is giving it to me for 18 dollars...
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I think the biggest complaint can be summed up this way. For HOW the Bolt was shipped, most people feel that they shouldnt have to tweak ANYTHING for it to last them all day. I, to a point agree, however, with that said look at any new computer. Can you pull it out of the box and just run it? Sure you can and it will work well for the AVERAGE user. Now, someone with more knowledge will want MORE out of their computer. Its the same with the battery life. Those of us that use it MORE will see crappy battery life. Why? Because were using it more.
Tips/tricks/apps and what not are for people that are going to use their phone MORE than the AVERAGE user will. My mom gets two days out of her Droid 2 before she has to charge it. ALL of her settings/themes/everything is stock out of the box and never bump charged. My sister has the EXACT same phone and was getting a single day use out of it. I installed JD on both of their phones, and my sister gets a little over a day and a half and my mom gets about two and a half days. My mom RARELY touches her phone while my sisters constantly using it. Two separate users, two separate charge times. One gets amazing battery life, the other complains about how short the battery lasts.
So, if you use your phone more than the AVERAGE user, expect below average battery life. This phone IS a battery hog, I will say that, but then again, my phones in my hand and Im playin with it every chance I get. ;-)
On this one, both parties are right and wrong. So agree to disagree, take the steps to get better battery life or move on. Its getting redic with the amount of threads there are dedicated to this topic.
YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING YOURSELF INTO WHEN YOU GOT THE PHONE.
Here are some links for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027802
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022434
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdE4xPfL8Fs
http://www.verizonwireless.com/thunderbolt-trade-extended-battery-2750-mah-cover.shtml
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/300920-post-ways-get-awesome-battery-life.html
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disagree with most of this. i had a droid x prior and am using this device exaclty as much as i did that one. my battery life if HALF what the x was. and before you ask, i've had 4g toggled off continuously for the last week and have seen only marginal improvement.
i realize the t-bolt and the x have different processors/screens/radios, etc, but all-in-all they are pretty close performance-wise when i comes to everyday use. i can see the t-bolt having marginally worse battery life than the droid x, that would be a reasonable expectation. but HALF? sorry, not buying it.
i can't think of any other explanation than that the firmware
htc pushed out on this thing is flawed. not a dev though, so maybe i'm dumb...
If anything you should see improved battery life since the newer snap dragon is more power efficient, etc.
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disagree with most of this. i had a droid x prior and am using this device exaclty as much as i did that one. my battery life if HALF what the x was. and before you ask, i've had 4g toggled off continuously for the last week and have seen only marginal improvement.
i realize the t-bolt and the x have different processors/screens/radios, etc, but all-in-all they are pretty close performance-wise when i comes to everyday use. i can see the t-bolt having marginally worse battery life than the droid x, that would be a reasonable expectation. but HALF? sorry, not buying it.
i can't think of any other explanation than that the firmware
htc pushed out on this thing is flawed. not a dev though, so maybe i'm dumb...
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In the end, were talking about the Bolt, not the X. The X in this case is 100% irrelevant. You can disagree all you want, but my point still stands strong.
No battery complaints here. Half on 3g and half on 4g. This is with the htc extended battery. Running chingys rom with ziggy's latest bfs kernel oced to 1.49. Kik running the whole time.
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You can't compare the X to the thunderbolt. The X has a bigger battery to begin with, so you can't judge power efficiency based on uptime.
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In the end, were talking about the Bolt, not the X. The X in this case is 100% irrelevant. You can disagree all you want, but my point still stands strong.
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i'm not following you logic here. the droid x is a direct competitor. we're talking apples to apples here. it's significantly better in the battery area. i had an original droid before that and it was much better. how can that be irrelevant?
your notion that "this is just how smartphones are. you knew what you were getting so deal with it" is just plain wrong. we are discussing whether the battery life on the thunderbolt is a weakness or not. look at posts #5 and #6! you're telling me that's normal?
the idea that there are more people praising battery life on this thing than are complaining about it is wrong too. pop over the the htc forums and see the number one beef is over there. go into a verizon store and mention "thunderbolt battery life" to a tech and watch them roll their eyes.
bottom line: the thunderbolt is great in a lot of ways, but for a large percentage of us the battery life is pretty crappy, and for no good reason.
Well with all this 1 year contract stuff coming to an end i've noticed that I may need to switch from my Incredible to a thunderbolt. I love my incredible, esp flashing the many different roms that have been created. I've read a TON of reviews and everyone pretty much says its super fast, similiar to evo, and the battery sucks. Let me ask you this, when new roms emerge will custom kernals and such save the battery life? Is the battery life compared at all of a TBOLT to a Incredible? Right now im running warms z with chads 12/23 kernel and im seeing a good full day with more usage than an average person (always have wifi,bluetooth off). Should I take the 1 year contract plunge before the 17th of this month? Or maybe buy the Tbolt and put on ebay with just 1 more year to use my current incredible? And please tell me your daily usage and batt. life currently with your Thunderbolt. Thanks, and yes i've searched a ton.
Theres answers to all your questions already if you look around and read a bit and theirs already Custom roms/kernals with undervolted cpu to increase battery life.
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Theres answers to all your questions already if you look around and read a bit and theirs already Custom roms/kernals with undervolted cpu to increase battery life.
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If you read my thread i stated that i have searched and read a lot of reviews. I just want honest answers whether the people that have bought this would buy it again.
Well worth IMO... I change phones ALOT, and I have had ALL of them. I don't see myself leaving the Thunderbolt anytime soon.
Why??? Fast and ****, both phone and data, my bluetooth keeps my music playing through my truck even if I take the phone into a gas station with me, GPS is fast and solid as a rock, Speaker sounds great, screen is superb (dark and light), call quality is excellent, and for the past few weeks I have had it.... NOT ONE stall or hiccup. I'm sold.
I honestly can't say there is anything I don't like.
After switching the Kernel and conditioning the battery I see more than adequate life... For the record, I shut nothing off, I didn't by this beast just so I can shut all the good stuff off. Somedays I get a little buckwild and tap into my car charger but otherwise... No complaints.
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Well worth IMO... I change phones ALOT, and I have had ALL of them. I don't see myself leaving the Thunderbolt anytime soon.
Why??? Fast and ****, both phone and data, my bluetooth keeps my music playing through my truck even if I take the phone into a gas station with me, GPS is fast and solid as a rock, Speaker sounds great, screen is superb (dark and light), call quality is excellent, and for the past few weeks I have had it.... NOT ONE stall or hiccup. I'm sold.
I honestly can't say there is anything I don't like.
After switching the Kernel and conditioning the battery I see more than adequate life... For the record, I shut nothing off, I didn't by this beast just so I can shut all the good stuff off. Somedays I get a little buckwild and tap into my car charger but otherwise... No complaints.
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Are you in an 4g area? I don't think my area supports it as of yet. With moderate use your getting through a full day with the battery?
DroidTh3ory said:
Well worth IMO... I change phones ALOT, and I have had ALL of them. I don't see myself leaving the Thunderbolt anytime soon.
Why??? Fast and ****, both phone and data, my bluetooth keeps my music playing through my truck even if I take the phone into a gas station with me, GPS is fast and solid as a rock, Speaker sounds great, screen is superb (dark and light), call quality is excellent, and for the past few weeks I have had it.... NOT ONE stall or hiccup. I'm sold.
I honestly can't say there is anything I don't like.
After switching the Kernel and conditioning the battery I see more than adequate life... For the record, I shut nothing off, I didn't by this beast just so I can shut all the good stuff off. Somedays I get a little buckwild and tap into my car charger but otherwise... No complaints.
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I got to agree with DroidTh3ory 100%
I too have had just about all the high-end and many low-end android phones.
I must say hands down, there is no other device that can compare to the sheer quality of build, and its down right stupefying speed.
I have 0 complaints to make about the battery, yea maybe its slightly not as great as other phones, but like that picture above, it will last you all day.
just to add, im running mine at 1.4ghz undervolted.
Thunderbolt is worth it imo, but I am thinking about getting extended battery. I need to constantly check my email and voice calls so I'm going to be losing juice much faster than the average user.
Aside from battery issues, this thing is blazing fast. Imo faster than atrix
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Build quality has been great (just like my DInc) and there are a TON of developers that are creating ROM's for the device. Soon, CM7 will be out for it and I think there are a ton of people looking forward to that.
As far as battery life goes, it's a 4.3" screen and it's a 4G device. Complaining about battery life on this device is like buying a GT500/Viper and saying you love the speed, you love the features, but you just hate the gas mileage. It's par for the course and if you use the phone a lot, your battery life will suffer. Flash a better kernel and you can improve it somewhat though. FWIW, I can get a full day out of it and honestly, that's all I need.
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Are you in an 4g area? I don't think my area supports it as of yet. With moderate use your getting through a full day with the battery?
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Yep, smack dab in the middle LTE spread for my area. Emails, texts, calls, alot of Navigation, and my Bluetooth is almost always connected to my truck so I can rock out. Even before the Kernel switch I made through the day, but after the switch I have some to spare for those REAL busy days.
FYI, I conditioned my battery on the first day with my first 3 charges.
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Well with all this 1 year contract stuff coming to an end i've noticed that I may need to switch from my Incredible to a thunderbolt. I love my incredible, esp flashing the many different roms that have been created. I've read a TON of reviews and everyone pretty much says its super fast, similiar to evo, and the battery sucks. Let me ask you this, when new roms emerge will custom kernals and such save the battery life? Is the battery life compared at all of a TBOLT to a Incredible? Right now im running warms z with chads 12/23 kernel and im seeing a good full day with more usage than an average person (always have wifi,bluetooth off). Should I take the 1 year contract plunge before the 17th of this month? Or maybe buy the Tbolt and put on ebay with just 1 more year to use my current incredible? And please tell me your daily usage and batt. life currently with your Thunderbolt. Thanks, and yes i've searched a ton.
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I when from the Htc Droid Eris to the Thunderbolt and the 1st few days encountered "battery issues". I haven't rooted the phone yet but i did those tips on changing a few settings around and i unplug my phone at 8 am when i leave my house and plug it again when i get a notification that is at 25% at around 11:30. i use it a good amount of time during the day and spend my lunch break (about and hour) just surfing.
Once the phone is rooted there are A LOT of things that you can do to improve it even more. My advice do it yesterday! lol.
P.S. Btw i live in NYC and have not noticed any 3G, 4G swapping between services, it has all been 4G.
Im getting the itch. For the most part though verizon is forcing me to sign another 1 yr contract bc they are cancelling it on April 17th. Its gonna be weird to be stock until some solid roms and kernels are developed.
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Yep, smack dab in the middle LTE spread for my area. Emails, texts, calls, alot of Navigation, and my Bluetooth is almost always connected to my truck so I can rock out. Even before the Kernel switch I made through the day, but after the switch I have some to spare for those REAL busy days.
FYI, I conditioned my battery on the first day with my first 3 charges.
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Did you use a APP to condition the battery? If yes which one? I have rooted my Thundy and waiting for CM7.
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Did you use a APP to condition the battery? If yes which one? I have rooted my Thundy and waiting for CM7.
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Yep, the Battery Conditioning App (link below) works great... Wiping the battery stats in Clockwork does the same thing also but I like this because it deletes the "batterystats.bin" system file without having to restart, and the OS can't create a new one until the battery is conditioned (reboot).
FYI... You need root for this.
Download from here... Plus info>>>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1024867
Nice, seems very convenient... Thanks for the link!
I'm getting great battery life on adrynalyne's new kernel and ROM. No regrets switching from my D1 running CM7 with prime's kernel. Would love to see prime dev on the TB as his was the best kernel for my Droid, but I can't complain at all with how I'm doing
Put me in the +1 crowd.
Battery life was horrid, as expected, out of the box. After rooting, getting rid of bloat and running a cpu throttle I average around <10mah when idle. Not to say that it doesn't suck juice when I'm using it, though. But, it's well worth it. The phone is fast as hell.
Build quality is nice, as well, as others have stated. Would have preferred a sliding battery door and a red/blue/yellow led but I can live without.
It's the US 4G Edition of the HTC Desire HD...what's not to love? When the Inspire was one month in after release, there was hardly any dev at all except a complicated gold card root method and now its got MIUI and a lot of other rom choices... This phone hasn't been out for even a month and we've got simple root and strong dev support... I've also owned a Dinc and a bunch of other devices and I'm quite happy with my Thunderbolt
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Dude...the phone is totally worth it. I've just installed the new Das BAMF 1.4 with the new Adrynalyne kernel, and my battery life is teriffic! Phone has been unplugged for 13 hours, and i'm still at 65%
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Put me in the +1 crowd.
Battery life was horrid, as expected, out of the box. After rooting, getting rid of bloat and running a cpu throttle I average around <10mah when idle. Not to say that it doesn't suck juice when I'm using it, though. But, it's well worth it. The phone is fast as hell.
Build quality is nice, as well, as others have stated. Would have preferred a sliding battery door and a red/blue/yellow led but I can live without.
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Woah woah woah you're getting less than 10mA idle current draw? Can you explain exactly what rom, kernel, and settings you are using? I've tried just abouteverything I can and i bounce between 36-40 with frequent spikes to 100. Thanks.
I think its well worth it. Yes, battery life is far from great. However, its only slightly worse than what I experienced on my Samsung Epic. I'm in a 4G area the majority of my day, but sometimes travel outside of it for work. Coming from Sprint and being used to unlimited data, I use my phone all day. I listen to music, whether Pandora or iheart radio (my trucks stereo recently just stopped working ) all day traveling between job sites, check email quite frequently, txt and gtalk literally all day long, and make about 25-30+ calls on average a day. I also have all 4 of my email accounts set to check mail every 5 minutes for work during the hours of 5am-10pm every day, which i know contributes to my battery drain, but its necessary that I get my mail as soon as possible for my business.
Considering my usage, I think the phone handles quite well. Yes, I wish it was better, and yes it does drain quickly at times, especially in the morning even if I change some settings. However, I keep a spare battery on hand as I have done with all of my past Android phones. I have no regrets about buying the phone, except for the video recording issues I've experienced. If you love Android and rooting, I really don't see what their is to think about.
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I had the Droid 1 & then the Droid 2 for the last 2 years. I never had a problem with either one, it made me want to get another Android and the D Charge seemed like the one I was waiting for. Let me just say first off.. the DC screen is amazing. For viewing video and pictures (also taking pictures) this phone blows everything I've ever seen out of the water. Also, it's light as hell, for being such a large screen I barely even notice it's in my pocket - incredible.
But.. when you turn this thing on it's loaded with bloatware, also samsung's touchwiz which absolutely blows. Everything is so awkward and bogged down (& not to mention ugly), who would ever want to use this?? Going through the system is not smooth and frankly almost 'slow.' Ok but this is an Android so we can fix this by using custom roms.. but why? Why would you package the phone in a manor that doesn't fully utilize its qualities? This is just going to turn off a portion of the average user from buying the phone and decrease its overall support. D1 & D2 (even with motoblur) never had this problem. I've used custom roms but if for some reason I was stuck with stock it still wouldn't be that bad.
Ok so I rooted. Granted this is very early in the development life of the phone, I had a terrible experience. I flashed combinations of every rom & kernel out to date (6/10/2011). I had no problems actually installing or flashing anything, it's not as simple as the moto droids but easy enough. This did fix some of the speed issue as far as moving through screens/apps but high end games and apps still don't' run well and in my experience I sacrificed major battery life (which is already terrible like every droid) to run the custom roms so it's not worth it yet.
This brings me to the processor... why should I have to download current games (Battleheart, Plants vs Zombies) on my D2 just to play them correctly?? I know the DC doesn't have a dual core processor but I feel like it should be able to handle current software with ease or at least keep up with a phone I got 2 YEARS AGO. In my opinion this takes away from the screen, because what's the point?
My latest gripe is just bias but I have a weird burn/water mark on my screen. Verizon is mailing me a replacement after my 1 hour battle at the retail store today. This is probably causing some of my negative outlook but I've been a happy verizon/droid user for the last 2 years - and after less than a month with this thing it's just been a nightmare.
I wanted to write this so people who are thinking about upgrading are fully educated. This is still probably the best 4g phone out on Verizon but I'm disappointed I didn't wait - if this changes I will update the post but I think a lot of people are too proud to admit they spent $300 and it's not the best thing since sliced bread.
I kinda feel like you Do thinking of trading fir a thunderbolt. .even since u flashed different Roms its still slow and lagy?
They aren't going to let me at this point, I had to fight tooth and nail for them to mail me a replacement Charge. I've used the Thunderbolt a good deal, it has its own problems and like I said the Charge is still probably the best LTE phone to date. Most of the frustration is probably that it's not much of an upgrade in a lot of areas from the Droid 2.
I actually love it now after ee4.. I was about to give up
Yea i feel the same coming from dx which i loved but wanted 4g..this phone is way slow compared to the dx I'm thinking bout a tb now only had this a week
r00t beer - Can you explain the screen burn-in issue a little more? Just curious...
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If you notice, I had to make a smudge mark by wiping my thumb along the blotches otherwise you can't really see them. So the guy at Verizon would go in the back and clean it (then you can't see them), when he came out I would smudge it again to show him, we did this dance for a good 20 minutes.
His ingenious solution was for me to buy screen protectors.. Yes I realize me spending $15 vs you replacing a phone is a much better solution for you. "You won't be able to tell when the screen is on." That's not the point, my friend has a huge crack on his screen that you can't really see when the screen is on.. I paid for a new phone, not a new phone with some crazy marks on it, who knows if they'll grow into even bigger problems. Also I don't use screen protectors, and shouldn't have to - it takes away from the phone and I've never had a problem before.
I feel the same way man. Came from a Samsung Fascinate and this is just as fast and the screen is a tiny bit better. And both use Froyo. So I feel you on the spending $300 PLUS the 2yr contract and its definitely not even close to the day sliced bread was invented. 4G speeds are hella fast but that really only applies to downloads and tethering mostly. Dual core phones load web pages almost twice as fast because they can multitask the process therefore making web browsing a superb experience. As soon as the SGS2 comes to VZW, this thing is going up on eBay for whatever price it sells for and I won't look back.
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I actually love it now after ee4.. I was about to give up
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This is one thing I haven't tried yet. Right now I'm just on ED 2 bloated stock everything so it'll stay ready to ship back. Once I get the replacement I'll keep testing what's out there and give the best input for improvement I can based on my limited knowledge.
My Charge was never slow, even stock. Although it was only stock for a few hours. I had some issues recently with the battery and wiped / reflashed the phone which led to bigger problems, but they were quickly resolved. My phone's battery is pretty decent now and it'll only get better with future updates and customization. I can play Battleheart so im not sure what problems you're having. Every game I've played ran perfectly smooth except for Sims 3 and NFS Shift which had graphical issues, but I couldn't care less about those two problems.
I score 1620 on quadrant using PBJT and AB v4.1.1 and never experience any lag. This thing flies and it's only going to get faster.
Also, if you think modding this is a pain, try modding some other phones like that god damn g2 haha. Flashing the Charge is cake, the problem is some people post awful instructions and Odin can be picky as hell with USB ports and computers in general, but it's actually pretty damn simple to root and whatnot.
P.s. the battery didn't drop at all while I wrote this post on my Charge The battery has only dropped from 54% to 33% in the past 2+ hours with pretty heavy use. The screen was on medium brightness to almost 100% brightness during that time, adjusting automatically.
The price of the phone didn't really bother me as I got it for $260 and it comes with a freaking 32gb as card. I don't buy phones every year either.
Also, I honestly do not care what the average phone user thinks about the Charge or any phone because their opinion may be complete horse crap. Being a techy nerd, I do not judge a phone based on its stock software because its not staying around for long. Yes, touchwiz isnbeyond lame, but I don't like that Blur or Sense crap either. As for bloatware, expect a ton of it in all future phones.
Yuck, that screen is pretty bad. Incredible that they gave you a hard time exchanging, whether it's visible with the screen on or not. They must waterboard the reps at Verizon now if they give in too quickly to an exchange request. Good they're sending you a new one.
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My Charge was never slow, even stock. Although it was only stock for a few hours. I had some issues recently with the battery and wiped / reflashed the phone which led to bigger problems, but they were quickly resolved. My phone's battery is pretty decent now and it'll only get better with future updates and customization. I can play Battleheart so im not sure what problems you're having. Every game I've played ran perfectly smooth except for Sims 3 and NFS Shift which had graphical issues, but I couldn't care less about those two problems.
I score 1620 on quadrant using PBJT and AB v4.1.1 and never experience any lag. This thing flies and it's only going to get faster.
Also, if you think modding this is a pain, try modding some other phones like that god damn g2 haha. Flashing the Charge is cake, the problem is some people post awful instructions and Odin can be picky as hell with USB ports and computers in general, but it's actually pretty damn simple to root and whatnot.
P.s. the battery didn't drop at all while I wrote this post on my Charge The battery has only dropped from 54% to 33% in the past 2+ hours with pretty heavy use. The screen was on medium brightness to almost 100% brightness during that time, adjusting automatically.
The price of the phone didn't really bother me as I got it for $260 and it comes with a freaking 32gb as card. I don't buy phones every year either.
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That's good news, maybe once I flash again I will get better battery.
Battleheart runs fine but takes forever to load, which turns the screen off if you don't touch it so it's just annoying. It loads much faster on droid 2 - it's a game that having a big screen makes much better but I still prefer the quicker load times. PvZ does not run fine. I can't play the later levels it slows down too much then lags and you die. I haven't played it enough on D2 to compare. Also robo defense you can't play in high graphics mode.
The price doesn't bother me either really, I just wanted a clean screen. I get a discount through work on every phone except Iphones. So I paid $250 online vs $300 for the 32g iPhone not bad.
I don't think modding is a pain - especially for early stages. Just new things to learn.
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My Charge was never slow, even stock. Although it was only stock for a few hours. I had some issues recently with the battery and wiped / reflashed the phone which led to bigger problems, but they were quickly resolved. My phone's battery is pretty decent now and it'll only get better with future updates and customization. I can play Battleheart so im not sure what problems you're having. Every game I've played ran perfectly smooth except for Sims 3 and NFS Shift which had graphical issues, but I couldn't care less about those two problems.
I score 1620 on quadrant using PBJT and AB v4.1.1 and never experience any lag. This thing flies and it's only going to get faster.
Also, if you think modding this is a pain, try modding some other phones like that god damn g2 haha. Flashing the Charge is cake, the problem is some people post awful instructions and Odin can be picky as hell with USB ports and computers in general, but it's actually pretty damn simple to root and whatnot.
P.s. the battery didn't drop at all while I wrote this post on my Charge The battery has only dropped from 54% to 33% in the past 2+ hours with pretty heavy use. The screen was on medium brightness to almost 100% brightness during that time, adjusting automatically.
The price of the phone didn't really bother me as I got it for $260 and it comes with a freaking 32gb as card. I don't buy phones every year either.
Also, I honestly do not care what the average phone user thinks about the Charge or any phone because their opinion may be complete horse crap. Being a techy nerd, I do not judge a phone based on its stock software because its not staying around for long. Yes, touchwiz isnbeyond lame, but I don't like that Blur or Sense crap either. As for bloatware, expect a ton of it in all future phones.
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So you aren't on EE4?
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Yea i feel the same coming from dx which i loved but wanted 4g..this phone is way slow compared to the dx I'm thinking bout a tb now only had this a week
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Charge > DX easily.
In Agreement
BACKGROUND
Nexus One - the Bomb!
I had a Nexus One on T Mobile (my wife still has hers). This is the best phone I have ever owned. And, on Gingerbread it is buttery smooth and does nothing wrong.
T Mobile Coverage Sucks - Jump to Verizon
However, I needed a better network so I decided to go to Verizon.
At the same time, my business is Mac based and I loved my recently acquired iPad 2 so I decided to try an iPhone 4.
I loved the hardware and the smoothness of the system overall - typical very well done Apple product.
But alas, I couldn't stand it - IOS is simply missing too many things I have come to depend upon heavily with android - Notifications and Screen shortcuts are the main two I couldn't live without.
From IOS back to Android
Since I decided to dump the iPhone, which android phone? I considered:
X2
Thunderbolt
Charge
I went with the Charge because I thought LTE would eventually payoff and I thought I would like the screen size and brightness better than Thunderbolt plus I had heard the battery life was better on the Charge. And, I heard that Samsung was making nice phones (Nexus S, Fascination).
The Charge is a Disappointment - No - I am actually hating it
OK, there is a lot to like about the Charge, but in the end I can't stand the phone and I need to do something quick - my thoughts:
The good:
1) screen is gorgeous and bright - OK - this is nice, but doesn't even come close to making me like the phone given the fatal flaws I am about to detail below.
2) LTE is awesome when I can get to it - this is about 10% of the time given how I travel. However, I could easily use a 4G MIFI device to boost my browsing performance so 4G isn't critical at all for me at this point.
The Bad
OK, I haven't rooted yet and am considering gummy charged, but here is how it is today:
1) LAGINESS - this is the big deal for me.
Note: I have not rooted but I use either Launcher Pro or Go Launcher, which both help some. However, I use my phone a tremendous amount.
I am on the phone almost all the time. Many times I need to check something else (on the web, in my contacts, in a Google doc, etc., etc.,) while on a phone call. I get allot of stuff going just in the natural course of using my phone in my business - I am pretty sure I would be considered a heavy user.
With all of this - the phone slows down unbearably. I click on an app and it just (seems to) sit there forever before responding. I find myself using app killers to try to remedy these unbelievable slowdowns. I am coming from the Nexus One which beats the living snot out of the Charge in this regard. The Nexus One is very very quick and does not slow down the more you use it. I actually remember that this was kinda how the Nexus One used to respond in the early days before it made it to Froyo and now with Gingerbread the Nexus One is virtually head and shoulders above the dismal and pathetically performing Charge. The poor poor lag and delays launching apps is the reason I need to do something else quick.
2) BATTERY LIFE
Let me just say that If I didn't have the LAG problems I could live with the poor battery performance. However, here is my experience. I am only able to use 4G about 10% of the time so I know this isn't the main problem. I have GPS, Bluetooth and Wireless turned off unless I need it. I turn the screen brightness down to the lowest setting unless I am using it out in the sunlight. With all of this management I find I have to make sure I keep the Charge plugged in to my car charger as much as I can manage it or I am going to find myself in trouble very quickly. It does not take allot to drain the Charge. It seems it can be at 90% and in an hour or so it is down to 50 or 60 - it is ridiculous. I cannot stop thinking about it and this is something that also make me hate my Charge - I shouldn't have to worry this much about a stupid ass phone - I have my business to attend to -not managing my phone so darn much!.
And, if this wasn't bad enough, recharging is the icing on the cake in the electrical compartment - it is slower than any device I have ever owned - it is ridiculous - it is like waiting for grass to grow while I am in desperate need to get things done!
CONCLUSION
If I could get the Nexus One working on Verizon I would do it in a second.
I think I would actually prefer the iPhone 4 over the Charge because the iPhone had better overall performance and the battery life was much much better. Plus, the iphone is the right size whereas the Charge is actually too big to use comfortably with one hand.
What am I going to do??? - I really don't know at this point - I don't see a good solution in front of me. I am very very disappointed with the Charge. If I knew for a fact Gummy Charged would help enough I would give it a go. I am way beyond my return period so I can't try out the Thunderbolt. I don't know - I really really miss my Nexus One. I would actually prefer the Nexus One on T Mobile given how bad the Charge sucks. Yes, even though I get way more dropped calls on T Mobile compared to Verizon and even though I am on 3G or 4G on verizon way way more than on T Mobile, I think I would still prefer the Nexus One.
Signed - Disappointed in Charge
I think this phone is great! Coming from a DX, when I first got this, I was not so pleased. I threw AB, did the voodoo lag fix, and now this is the best phone I've ever owned. Battery life kinda blows, but I knew this going into a LTE device. Besides nothing can beat a DX debloated gingerbread in the battery dept.
I'm sure once ee4 is installed, I'll love this phone even more, but we'll see.
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Btw, to r00t beer. Must be something wrong with your phone. Uhhhm, comparing the DC to my DX, the DC is much faster playing high end games. Dungeon Defenders, XPlane, even plants vs zombies, which I don't consider high end, but tested anyway for you. Even load times are quicker on the DC.... so I donno what might be wrong with your phone.
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r00t beer, I figured it out. I assumed you have Chainfire installed. I assume everyone does. I uninstalled it, and sure enough, even plants vs zombies becomes unplayable.
Just grab it from the market. Its free, and you will love your phone again. Lol
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Tornlogic said:
r00t beer, I figured it out. I assumed you have Chainfire installed. I assume everyone does. I uninstalled it, and sure enough, even plants vs zombies becomes unplayable.
Just grab it from the market. Its free, and you will love your phone again. Lol
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I did not know about this app, I'm unrooted till I get my replacement but will try it asap thanks.
sarends said:
BACKGROUND
Nexus One - the Bomb!
I had a Nexus One on T Mobile (my wife still has hers). This is the best phone I have ever owned. And, on Gingerbread it is buttery smooth and does nothing wrong.
T Mobile Coverage Sucks - Jump to Verizon
However, I needed a better network so I decided to go to Verizon.
At the same time, my business is Mac based and I loved my recently acquired iPad 2 so I decided to try an iPhone 4.
I loved the hardware and the smoothness of the system overall - typical very well done Apple product.
But alas, I couldn't stand it - IOS is simply missing too many things I have come to depend upon heavily with android - Notifications and Screen shortcuts are the main two I couldn't live without.
From IOS back to Android
Since I decided to dump the iPhone, which android phone? I considered:
X2
Thunderbolt
Charge
I went with the Charge because I thought LTE would eventually payoff and I thought I would like the screen size and brightness better than Thunderbolt plus I had heard the battery life was better on the Charge. And, I heard that Samsung was making nice phones (Nexus S, Fascination).
The Charge is a Disappointment - No - I am actually hating it
OK, there is a lot to like about the Charge, but in the end I can't stand the phone and I need to do something quick - my thoughts:
The good:
1) screen is gorgeous and bright - OK - this is nice, but doesn't even come close to making me like the phone given the fatal flaws I am about to detail below.
2) LTE is awesome when I can get to it - this is about 10% of the time given how I travel. However, I could easily use a 4G MIFI device to boost my browsing performance so 4G isn't critical at all for me at this point.
The Bad
OK, I haven't rooted yet and am considering gummy charged, but here is how it is today:
1) LAGINESS - this is the big deal for me.
Note: I have not rooted but I use either Launcher Pro or Go Launcher, which both help some. However, I use my phone a tremendous amount.
I am on the phone almost all the time. Many times I need to check something else (on the web, in my contacts, in a Google doc, etc., etc.,) while on a phone call. I get allot of stuff going just in the natural course of using my phone in my business - I am pretty sure I would be considered a heavy user.
With all of this - the phone slows down unbearably. I click on an app and it just (seems to) sit there forever before responding. I find myself using app killers to try to remedy these unbelievable slowdowns. I am coming from the Nexus One which beats the living snot out of the Charge in this regard. The Nexus One is very very quick and does not slow down the more you use it. I actually remember that this was kinda how the Nexus One used to respond in the early days before it made it to Froyo and now with Gingerbread the Nexus One is virtually head and shoulders above the dismal and pathetically performing Charge. The poor poor lag and delays launching apps is the reason I need to do something else quick.
2) BATTERY LIFE
Let me just say that If I didn't have the LAG problems I could live with the poor battery performance. However, here is my experience. I am only able to use 4G about 10% of the time so I know this isn't the main problem. I have GPS, Bluetooth and Wireless turned off unless I need it. I turn the screen brightness down to the lowest setting unless I am using it out in the sunlight. With all of this management I find I have to make sure I keep the Charge plugged in to my car charger as much as I can manage it or I am going to find myself in trouble very quickly. It does not take allot to drain the Charge. It seems it can be at 90% and in an hour or so it is down to 50 or 60 - it is ridiculous. I cannot stop thinking about it and this is something that also make me hate my Charge - I shouldn't have to worry this much about a stupid ass phone - I have my business to attend to -not managing my phone so darn much!.
And, if this wasn't bad enough, recharging is the icing on the cake in the electrical compartment - it is slower than any device I have ever owned - it is ridiculous - it is like waiting for grass to grow while I am in desperate need to get things done!
CONCLUSION
If I could get the Nexus One working on Verizon I would do it in a second.
I think I would actually prefer the iPhone 4 over the Charge because the iPhone had better overall performance and the battery life was much much better. Plus, the iphone is the right size whereas the Charge is actually too big to use comfortably with one hand.
What am I going to do??? - I really don't know at this point - I don't see a good solution in front of me. I am very very disappointed with the Charge. If I knew for a fact Gummy Charged would help enough I would give it a go. I am way beyond my return period so I can't try out the Thunderbolt. I don't know - I really really miss my Nexus One. I would actually prefer the Nexus One on T Mobile given how bad the Charge sucks. Yes, even though I get way more dropped calls on T Mobile compared to Verizon and even though I am on 3G or 4G on verizon way way more than on T Mobile, I think I would still prefer the Nexus One.
Signed - Disappointed in Charge
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Well we're both stuck so lets try to make the best of it lol. Good to know I'm not the only one in this boat.
Fellow MT4GS users,
How is your battery lasting you? I'm coming from a MT4G, even though I eventually modded it, and it I used to get at least a full day and have to charge that night at the worst unless I really heavily used it.
My MT4GS has been lasting me half a day or so before I get into the yellow/red and I'm usually charging before the sun goes down.
My main culprit according to the built in battery indicator is display at 65% (I'm on automatic brightness)
Just over 10 hours today for me before I had to charge.
ps- Anyone know how to remove the annoying low power notifications? I'm getting two pop ups in a row.
Yeah mine generally lasts about 14 hours at moderate usage, but it's only been 2 days, and I remember when I got the MyTouch 4G it died on me while I was still at work and then after a week or so it got much better...
Yeah, I can agree with you there I think my MT4G was a little wonky the first week or so. We'll see how it goes.
breakaway87 said:
Fellow MT4GS users,
How is your battery lasting you? I'm coming from a MT4G, even though I eventually modded it, and it I used to get at least a full day and have to charge that night at the worst unless I really heavily used it.
My MT4GS has been lasting me half a day or so before I get into the yellow/red and I'm usually charging before the sun goes down.
My main culprit according to the built in battery indicator is display at 65% (I'm on automatic brightness)
Just over 10 hours today for me before I had to charge.
ps- Anyone know how to remove the annoying low power notifications? I'm getting two pop ups in a row.
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Only lasting 6 hours yesterday ....
My battery lasted about 33 hours. After the 1st full charge. So way better than my other phones have done. This wasnt heavy usage though. No videos or music just a few calls, lots of emails and some web browsing.
One problem I am having is low call volume. My videos and music are perfectly loud, just the call volume sucks.
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My battery lasted about 33 hours. After the 1st full charge. So way better than my other phones have done. This wasnt heavy usage though. No videos or music just a few calls, lots of emails and some web browsing.
One problem I am having is low call volume. My videos and music are perfectly loud, just the call volume sucks.
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how did you get 33 hours because mine on the 1st day on lasted about 10 hours.
I'm getting 6 hours. Its terrible. This things gonna get flushed down a toilet soon.
NAZology said:
I'm getting 6 hours. Its terrible. This things gonna get flushed down a toilet soon.
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Well make sure, your phones screen brightness is on low. Also make sure wifi,gps,bluetooth are off. Also make sure you kill some of the apps you ran on a task manager. just gotta find ways to keep the battery life up.
Well when I first got the phone, I didnt charge it until it was almost dead. Then fully charged it.
Also I turned off GPS, WiFi ect. I also use task manager to kill background programs that I don't need or want running.
We will see if the battery life goes down after a few weeks. Sometimes they take time to normalize.
Oh what task you ended and what task manger you used?
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sonicjam said:
Well make sure, your phones screen brightness is on low. Also make sure wifi,gps,bluetooth are off. Also make sure you kill some of the apps you ran on a task manager. just gotta find ways to keep the battery life up.
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I appreciate the help but the logic is off. This is the latest ..and i stress smartttphone. It is supsupposed to be used as such. Bluetooth ..4g..music...video calling..maps..etc.. if u use of of these features six hours it will last. If you use them all try maybe 4 hours. Plus those boxes are annoying when the batterly is low. This phone has got to be rooted.
fireinthesky2night said:
I appreciate the help but the logic is off. This is the latest ..and i stress smartttphone. It is supsupposed to be used as such. Bluetooth ..4g..music...video calling..maps..etc.. if u use of of these features six hours it will last. If you use them all try maybe 4 hours. Plus those boxes are annoying when the batterly is low. This phone has got to be rooted.
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I'm gonna have to agree with that one, that's pretty much no different than saying buy a car but don't drive it so you can save gas lol
I have gotten to around 12 hours or more now. Still moderate overall but heavier browser usage.
I do not kill tasks or turn off wifi, gps or anything. My brightness is auto.
I uninstalled the recent maps update because I saw where G2 users seem to think the recent update is draining their battery so I wondered if it could maybe be causing issues here too.
Anyways my battery life has gotten into the acceptable range and that was all I really did other than have more days to monitor it.
Some technical specs on the battery:
Model: BG58100
Rating: 3.7V DC
Charge Capacity: 1520mAh
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This appears to be the same battery that is in the Sensation 4G according to Google.
For us this is good because Ebay and Amazon are already flooded with replacement batteries.
We need to find a higher capacity mAh battery but with the same size as to not make us have to get a replacement back. This shouldn't be that hard.
My old phone has a smaller battery with a higher mAh capacity so the battery in the myTouch 4G Slide is an utter disappointment. They could have easily produced a 3000 mAh battery for this beast of a phone.
Edit: Found a 1900 mAh battery for only 9.99.
sonicjam said:
Well make sure, your phones screen brightness is on low. Also make sure wifi,gps,bluetooth are off. Also make sure you kill some of the apps you ran on a task manager. just gotta find ways to keep the battery life up.
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Screen is on the least bright setting. I'm an ex blackberry user and dont even have one app. I could care less about apps. I'm charging every 5 hours and thats sometimes from just it sitting around/ not even using the phone. The thing better get it's act together. I'm starting to like the keyboard too but I'm up at 5am and if im charging at noon that's terrible. Especially with minimal use.
Akujin said:
Some technical specs on the battery:
Model: BG58100
Rating: 3.7V DC
Charge Capacity: 1520mAh
This appears to be the same battery that is in the Sensation 4G according to Google.
For us this is good because Ebay and Amazon are already flooded with replacement batteries.
We need to find a higher capacity mAh battery but with the same size as to not make us have to get a replacement back. This shouldn't be that hard.
My old phone has a smaller battery with a higher mAh capacity so the battery in the myTouch 4G Slide is an utter disappointment. They could have easily produced a 3000 mAh battery for this beast of a phone.
Edit: Found a 1900 mAh battery for only 9.99.
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I've found the slide version there too for $11.99. I've wonder how long it will last with that battery.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Anker-1900mAh-B...Accessories&hash=item4aad15c501#ht_3648wt_942
There must be something wrong. Mine lasts about that long playing videos and games, messing with the camera, web browsing etc..
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As I posted in my other thread, battery sucks on this phone. I had to keep wifi off all the day to keep it from dying by 6pm. Funny how 4g speed is so bad in nyc that wifi is the only other option to do something meaningful.
eismcsquare said:
As I posted in my other thread, battery sucks on this phone. I had to keep wifi off all the day to keep it from dying by 6pm. Funny how 4g speed is so bad in nyc that wifi is the only other option to do something meaningful.
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Weird I live in small city and 4G is crazy fast. When I get to a big city like Baltimore, Maryland the 4G was slow. My thoughts are there too many people on the 4G network. T-Mobile did promised us double the 4G speed and they need more Towers too.
~
For the first couple days, my battery life was awful. I'd be getting low-bat notifications when I got home from an 8-hour day at work.
But of course that's always the case with new phones that haven't even had the settings tweaked...
- Placed a Wifi toggle widget on the homepage and turn it off every day after leaving home for work in the morning.
- Ensured certain programs and updates were not running in the background automatically:
~ Turned off Autosync on accounts (manual only)
~ Turned off autoupdates for weather
~ No Bluetooth, GPS, Wifi, unless turned on for a specific reason
~ Enabled power efficiency and power saver modes (30%)
~ Disabled Always-on data connection
~ Disabled auto-updates in various apps (Friendcaster, IM+ Pro, etc.)
- Turned the screen off when not in use
Today I'm at 40% after 14 hours of mixed use. I'd say that's DAMN good.
By the way, for those seeing the whole "Autosync off" thing and thinking that you can't do it, just do it. I don't get my work email or personal email on my phone unless I tell it to and it's utterly awesome. Less stress. Less looking at my phone constantly. It feels free and just plain great. And I used to be superconnected 24/7 syncing every 5 minutes (if push wasn't available).