I had the Droid 1 & then the Droid 2 for the last 2 years. I never had a problem with either one, it made me want to get another Android and the D Charge seemed like the one I was waiting for. Let me just say first off.. the DC screen is amazing. For viewing video and pictures (also taking pictures) this phone blows everything I've ever seen out of the water. Also, it's light as hell, for being such a large screen I barely even notice it's in my pocket - incredible.
But.. when you turn this thing on it's loaded with bloatware, also samsung's touchwiz which absolutely blows. Everything is so awkward and bogged down (& not to mention ugly), who would ever want to use this?? Going through the system is not smooth and frankly almost 'slow.' Ok but this is an Android so we can fix this by using custom roms.. but why? Why would you package the phone in a manor that doesn't fully utilize its qualities? This is just going to turn off a portion of the average user from buying the phone and decrease its overall support. D1 & D2 (even with motoblur) never had this problem. I've used custom roms but if for some reason I was stuck with stock it still wouldn't be that bad.
Ok so I rooted. Granted this is very early in the development life of the phone, I had a terrible experience. I flashed combinations of every rom & kernel out to date (6/10/2011). I had no problems actually installing or flashing anything, it's not as simple as the moto droids but easy enough. This did fix some of the speed issue as far as moving through screens/apps but high end games and apps still don't' run well and in my experience I sacrificed major battery life (which is already terrible like every droid) to run the custom roms so it's not worth it yet.
This brings me to the processor... why should I have to download current games (Battleheart, Plants vs Zombies) on my D2 just to play them correctly?? I know the DC doesn't have a dual core processor but I feel like it should be able to handle current software with ease or at least keep up with a phone I got 2 YEARS AGO. In my opinion this takes away from the screen, because what's the point?
My latest gripe is just bias but I have a weird burn/water mark on my screen. Verizon is mailing me a replacement after my 1 hour battle at the retail store today. This is probably causing some of my negative outlook but I've been a happy verizon/droid user for the last 2 years - and after less than a month with this thing it's just been a nightmare.
I wanted to write this so people who are thinking about upgrading are fully educated. This is still probably the best 4g phone out on Verizon but I'm disappointed I didn't wait - if this changes I will update the post but I think a lot of people are too proud to admit they spent $300 and it's not the best thing since sliced bread.
I kinda feel like you Do thinking of trading fir a thunderbolt. .even since u flashed different Roms its still slow and lagy?
They aren't going to let me at this point, I had to fight tooth and nail for them to mail me a replacement Charge. I've used the Thunderbolt a good deal, it has its own problems and like I said the Charge is still probably the best LTE phone to date. Most of the frustration is probably that it's not much of an upgrade in a lot of areas from the Droid 2.
I actually love it now after ee4.. I was about to give up
Yea i feel the same coming from dx which i loved but wanted 4g..this phone is way slow compared to the dx I'm thinking bout a tb now only had this a week
r00t beer - Can you explain the screen burn-in issue a little more? Just curious...
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If you notice, I had to make a smudge mark by wiping my thumb along the blotches otherwise you can't really see them. So the guy at Verizon would go in the back and clean it (then you can't see them), when he came out I would smudge it again to show him, we did this dance for a good 20 minutes.
His ingenious solution was for me to buy screen protectors.. Yes I realize me spending $15 vs you replacing a phone is a much better solution for you. "You won't be able to tell when the screen is on." That's not the point, my friend has a huge crack on his screen that you can't really see when the screen is on.. I paid for a new phone, not a new phone with some crazy marks on it, who knows if they'll grow into even bigger problems. Also I don't use screen protectors, and shouldn't have to - it takes away from the phone and I've never had a problem before.
I feel the same way man. Came from a Samsung Fascinate and this is just as fast and the screen is a tiny bit better. And both use Froyo. So I feel you on the spending $300 PLUS the 2yr contract and its definitely not even close to the day sliced bread was invented. 4G speeds are hella fast but that really only applies to downloads and tethering mostly. Dual core phones load web pages almost twice as fast because they can multitask the process therefore making web browsing a superb experience. As soon as the SGS2 comes to VZW, this thing is going up on eBay for whatever price it sells for and I won't look back.
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I actually love it now after ee4.. I was about to give up
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This is one thing I haven't tried yet. Right now I'm just on ED 2 bloated stock everything so it'll stay ready to ship back. Once I get the replacement I'll keep testing what's out there and give the best input for improvement I can based on my limited knowledge.
My Charge was never slow, even stock. Although it was only stock for a few hours. I had some issues recently with the battery and wiped / reflashed the phone which led to bigger problems, but they were quickly resolved. My phone's battery is pretty decent now and it'll only get better with future updates and customization. I can play Battleheart so im not sure what problems you're having. Every game I've played ran perfectly smooth except for Sims 3 and NFS Shift which had graphical issues, but I couldn't care less about those two problems.
I score 1620 on quadrant using PBJT and AB v4.1.1 and never experience any lag. This thing flies and it's only going to get faster.
Also, if you think modding this is a pain, try modding some other phones like that god damn g2 haha. Flashing the Charge is cake, the problem is some people post awful instructions and Odin can be picky as hell with USB ports and computers in general, but it's actually pretty damn simple to root and whatnot.
P.s. the battery didn't drop at all while I wrote this post on my Charge The battery has only dropped from 54% to 33% in the past 2+ hours with pretty heavy use. The screen was on medium brightness to almost 100% brightness during that time, adjusting automatically.
The price of the phone didn't really bother me as I got it for $260 and it comes with a freaking 32gb as card. I don't buy phones every year either.
Also, I honestly do not care what the average phone user thinks about the Charge or any phone because their opinion may be complete horse crap. Being a techy nerd, I do not judge a phone based on its stock software because its not staying around for long. Yes, touchwiz isnbeyond lame, but I don't like that Blur or Sense crap either. As for bloatware, expect a ton of it in all future phones.
Yuck, that screen is pretty bad. Incredible that they gave you a hard time exchanging, whether it's visible with the screen on or not. They must waterboard the reps at Verizon now if they give in too quickly to an exchange request. Good they're sending you a new one.
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My Charge was never slow, even stock. Although it was only stock for a few hours. I had some issues recently with the battery and wiped / reflashed the phone which led to bigger problems, but they were quickly resolved. My phone's battery is pretty decent now and it'll only get better with future updates and customization. I can play Battleheart so im not sure what problems you're having. Every game I've played ran perfectly smooth except for Sims 3 and NFS Shift which had graphical issues, but I couldn't care less about those two problems.
I score 1620 on quadrant using PBJT and AB v4.1.1 and never experience any lag. This thing flies and it's only going to get faster.
Also, if you think modding this is a pain, try modding some other phones like that god damn g2 haha. Flashing the Charge is cake, the problem is some people post awful instructions and Odin can be picky as hell with USB ports and computers in general, but it's actually pretty damn simple to root and whatnot.
P.s. the battery didn't drop at all while I wrote this post on my Charge The battery has only dropped from 54% to 33% in the past 2+ hours with pretty heavy use. The screen was on medium brightness to almost 100% brightness during that time, adjusting automatically.
The price of the phone didn't really bother me as I got it for $260 and it comes with a freaking 32gb as card. I don't buy phones every year either.
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That's good news, maybe once I flash again I will get better battery.
Battleheart runs fine but takes forever to load, which turns the screen off if you don't touch it so it's just annoying. It loads much faster on droid 2 - it's a game that having a big screen makes much better but I still prefer the quicker load times. PvZ does not run fine. I can't play the later levels it slows down too much then lags and you die. I haven't played it enough on D2 to compare. Also robo defense you can't play in high graphics mode.
The price doesn't bother me either really, I just wanted a clean screen. I get a discount through work on every phone except Iphones. So I paid $250 online vs $300 for the 32g iPhone not bad.
I don't think modding is a pain - especially for early stages. Just new things to learn.
letsgophillyingeneral said:
My Charge was never slow, even stock. Although it was only stock for a few hours. I had some issues recently with the battery and wiped / reflashed the phone which led to bigger problems, but they were quickly resolved. My phone's battery is pretty decent now and it'll only get better with future updates and customization. I can play Battleheart so im not sure what problems you're having. Every game I've played ran perfectly smooth except for Sims 3 and NFS Shift which had graphical issues, but I couldn't care less about those two problems.
I score 1620 on quadrant using PBJT and AB v4.1.1 and never experience any lag. This thing flies and it's only going to get faster.
Also, if you think modding this is a pain, try modding some other phones like that god damn g2 haha. Flashing the Charge is cake, the problem is some people post awful instructions and Odin can be picky as hell with USB ports and computers in general, but it's actually pretty damn simple to root and whatnot.
P.s. the battery didn't drop at all while I wrote this post on my Charge The battery has only dropped from 54% to 33% in the past 2+ hours with pretty heavy use. The screen was on medium brightness to almost 100% brightness during that time, adjusting automatically.
The price of the phone didn't really bother me as I got it for $260 and it comes with a freaking 32gb as card. I don't buy phones every year either.
Also, I honestly do not care what the average phone user thinks about the Charge or any phone because their opinion may be complete horse crap. Being a techy nerd, I do not judge a phone based on its stock software because its not staying around for long. Yes, touchwiz isnbeyond lame, but I don't like that Blur or Sense crap either. As for bloatware, expect a ton of it in all future phones.
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So you aren't on EE4?
tcshort said:
Yea i feel the same coming from dx which i loved but wanted 4g..this phone is way slow compared to the dx I'm thinking bout a tb now only had this a week
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LOL
Charge > DX easily.
In Agreement
BACKGROUND
Nexus One - the Bomb!
I had a Nexus One on T Mobile (my wife still has hers). This is the best phone I have ever owned. And, on Gingerbread it is buttery smooth and does nothing wrong.
T Mobile Coverage Sucks - Jump to Verizon
However, I needed a better network so I decided to go to Verizon.
At the same time, my business is Mac based and I loved my recently acquired iPad 2 so I decided to try an iPhone 4.
I loved the hardware and the smoothness of the system overall - typical very well done Apple product.
But alas, I couldn't stand it - IOS is simply missing too many things I have come to depend upon heavily with android - Notifications and Screen shortcuts are the main two I couldn't live without.
From IOS back to Android
Since I decided to dump the iPhone, which android phone? I considered:
X2
Thunderbolt
Charge
I went with the Charge because I thought LTE would eventually payoff and I thought I would like the screen size and brightness better than Thunderbolt plus I had heard the battery life was better on the Charge. And, I heard that Samsung was making nice phones (Nexus S, Fascination).
The Charge is a Disappointment - No - I am actually hating it
OK, there is a lot to like about the Charge, but in the end I can't stand the phone and I need to do something quick - my thoughts:
The good:
1) screen is gorgeous and bright - OK - this is nice, but doesn't even come close to making me like the phone given the fatal flaws I am about to detail below.
2) LTE is awesome when I can get to it - this is about 10% of the time given how I travel. However, I could easily use a 4G MIFI device to boost my browsing performance so 4G isn't critical at all for me at this point.
The Bad
OK, I haven't rooted yet and am considering gummy charged, but here is how it is today:
1) LAGINESS - this is the big deal for me.
Note: I have not rooted but I use either Launcher Pro or Go Launcher, which both help some. However, I use my phone a tremendous amount.
I am on the phone almost all the time. Many times I need to check something else (on the web, in my contacts, in a Google doc, etc., etc.,) while on a phone call. I get allot of stuff going just in the natural course of using my phone in my business - I am pretty sure I would be considered a heavy user.
With all of this - the phone slows down unbearably. I click on an app and it just (seems to) sit there forever before responding. I find myself using app killers to try to remedy these unbelievable slowdowns. I am coming from the Nexus One which beats the living snot out of the Charge in this regard. The Nexus One is very very quick and does not slow down the more you use it. I actually remember that this was kinda how the Nexus One used to respond in the early days before it made it to Froyo and now with Gingerbread the Nexus One is virtually head and shoulders above the dismal and pathetically performing Charge. The poor poor lag and delays launching apps is the reason I need to do something else quick.
2) BATTERY LIFE
Let me just say that If I didn't have the LAG problems I could live with the poor battery performance. However, here is my experience. I am only able to use 4G about 10% of the time so I know this isn't the main problem. I have GPS, Bluetooth and Wireless turned off unless I need it. I turn the screen brightness down to the lowest setting unless I am using it out in the sunlight. With all of this management I find I have to make sure I keep the Charge plugged in to my car charger as much as I can manage it or I am going to find myself in trouble very quickly. It does not take allot to drain the Charge. It seems it can be at 90% and in an hour or so it is down to 50 or 60 - it is ridiculous. I cannot stop thinking about it and this is something that also make me hate my Charge - I shouldn't have to worry this much about a stupid ass phone - I have my business to attend to -not managing my phone so darn much!.
And, if this wasn't bad enough, recharging is the icing on the cake in the electrical compartment - it is slower than any device I have ever owned - it is ridiculous - it is like waiting for grass to grow while I am in desperate need to get things done!
CONCLUSION
If I could get the Nexus One working on Verizon I would do it in a second.
I think I would actually prefer the iPhone 4 over the Charge because the iPhone had better overall performance and the battery life was much much better. Plus, the iphone is the right size whereas the Charge is actually too big to use comfortably with one hand.
What am I going to do??? - I really don't know at this point - I don't see a good solution in front of me. I am very very disappointed with the Charge. If I knew for a fact Gummy Charged would help enough I would give it a go. I am way beyond my return period so I can't try out the Thunderbolt. I don't know - I really really miss my Nexus One. I would actually prefer the Nexus One on T Mobile given how bad the Charge sucks. Yes, even though I get way more dropped calls on T Mobile compared to Verizon and even though I am on 3G or 4G on verizon way way more than on T Mobile, I think I would still prefer the Nexus One.
Signed - Disappointed in Charge
I think this phone is great! Coming from a DX, when I first got this, I was not so pleased. I threw AB, did the voodoo lag fix, and now this is the best phone I've ever owned. Battery life kinda blows, but I knew this going into a LTE device. Besides nothing can beat a DX debloated gingerbread in the battery dept.
I'm sure once ee4 is installed, I'll love this phone even more, but we'll see.
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Btw, to r00t beer. Must be something wrong with your phone. Uhhhm, comparing the DC to my DX, the DC is much faster playing high end games. Dungeon Defenders, XPlane, even plants vs zombies, which I don't consider high end, but tested anyway for you. Even load times are quicker on the DC.... so I donno what might be wrong with your phone.
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r00t beer, I figured it out. I assumed you have Chainfire installed. I assume everyone does. I uninstalled it, and sure enough, even plants vs zombies becomes unplayable.
Just grab it from the market. Its free, and you will love your phone again. Lol
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Tornlogic said:
r00t beer, I figured it out. I assumed you have Chainfire installed. I assume everyone does. I uninstalled it, and sure enough, even plants vs zombies becomes unplayable.
Just grab it from the market. Its free, and you will love your phone again. Lol
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I did not know about this app, I'm unrooted till I get my replacement but will try it asap thanks.
sarends said:
BACKGROUND
Nexus One - the Bomb!
I had a Nexus One on T Mobile (my wife still has hers). This is the best phone I have ever owned. And, on Gingerbread it is buttery smooth and does nothing wrong.
T Mobile Coverage Sucks - Jump to Verizon
However, I needed a better network so I decided to go to Verizon.
At the same time, my business is Mac based and I loved my recently acquired iPad 2 so I decided to try an iPhone 4.
I loved the hardware and the smoothness of the system overall - typical very well done Apple product.
But alas, I couldn't stand it - IOS is simply missing too many things I have come to depend upon heavily with android - Notifications and Screen shortcuts are the main two I couldn't live without.
From IOS back to Android
Since I decided to dump the iPhone, which android phone? I considered:
X2
Thunderbolt
Charge
I went with the Charge because I thought LTE would eventually payoff and I thought I would like the screen size and brightness better than Thunderbolt plus I had heard the battery life was better on the Charge. And, I heard that Samsung was making nice phones (Nexus S, Fascination).
The Charge is a Disappointment - No - I am actually hating it
OK, there is a lot to like about the Charge, but in the end I can't stand the phone and I need to do something quick - my thoughts:
The good:
1) screen is gorgeous and bright - OK - this is nice, but doesn't even come close to making me like the phone given the fatal flaws I am about to detail below.
2) LTE is awesome when I can get to it - this is about 10% of the time given how I travel. However, I could easily use a 4G MIFI device to boost my browsing performance so 4G isn't critical at all for me at this point.
The Bad
OK, I haven't rooted yet and am considering gummy charged, but here is how it is today:
1) LAGINESS - this is the big deal for me.
Note: I have not rooted but I use either Launcher Pro or Go Launcher, which both help some. However, I use my phone a tremendous amount.
I am on the phone almost all the time. Many times I need to check something else (on the web, in my contacts, in a Google doc, etc., etc.,) while on a phone call. I get allot of stuff going just in the natural course of using my phone in my business - I am pretty sure I would be considered a heavy user.
With all of this - the phone slows down unbearably. I click on an app and it just (seems to) sit there forever before responding. I find myself using app killers to try to remedy these unbelievable slowdowns. I am coming from the Nexus One which beats the living snot out of the Charge in this regard. The Nexus One is very very quick and does not slow down the more you use it. I actually remember that this was kinda how the Nexus One used to respond in the early days before it made it to Froyo and now with Gingerbread the Nexus One is virtually head and shoulders above the dismal and pathetically performing Charge. The poor poor lag and delays launching apps is the reason I need to do something else quick.
2) BATTERY LIFE
Let me just say that If I didn't have the LAG problems I could live with the poor battery performance. However, here is my experience. I am only able to use 4G about 10% of the time so I know this isn't the main problem. I have GPS, Bluetooth and Wireless turned off unless I need it. I turn the screen brightness down to the lowest setting unless I am using it out in the sunlight. With all of this management I find I have to make sure I keep the Charge plugged in to my car charger as much as I can manage it or I am going to find myself in trouble very quickly. It does not take allot to drain the Charge. It seems it can be at 90% and in an hour or so it is down to 50 or 60 - it is ridiculous. I cannot stop thinking about it and this is something that also make me hate my Charge - I shouldn't have to worry this much about a stupid ass phone - I have my business to attend to -not managing my phone so darn much!.
And, if this wasn't bad enough, recharging is the icing on the cake in the electrical compartment - it is slower than any device I have ever owned - it is ridiculous - it is like waiting for grass to grow while I am in desperate need to get things done!
CONCLUSION
If I could get the Nexus One working on Verizon I would do it in a second.
I think I would actually prefer the iPhone 4 over the Charge because the iPhone had better overall performance and the battery life was much much better. Plus, the iphone is the right size whereas the Charge is actually too big to use comfortably with one hand.
What am I going to do??? - I really don't know at this point - I don't see a good solution in front of me. I am very very disappointed with the Charge. If I knew for a fact Gummy Charged would help enough I would give it a go. I am way beyond my return period so I can't try out the Thunderbolt. I don't know - I really really miss my Nexus One. I would actually prefer the Nexus One on T Mobile given how bad the Charge sucks. Yes, even though I get way more dropped calls on T Mobile compared to Verizon and even though I am on 3G or 4G on verizon way way more than on T Mobile, I think I would still prefer the Nexus One.
Signed - Disappointed in Charge
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Well we're both stuck so lets try to make the best of it lol. Good to know I'm not the only one in this boat.
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I will assume that most of us on this board are early adopters, geek-heads, nerds or other types that just need their gadget fix.
We were all disappointed that the Thunderbolt went from one release date to another and another and another. When the product finally launched we all went through various motions of discounts, opening up new phone lines, equipment swapping with spouse, etc. I switched from ATT iPhone 4 to VZW the day after the TBolt Launch.
With all the little nuances (battery life, 4G/3G disconnects, etc) - I am extremely happy with what I have in my hands. We begged and begged for a product release and now we have it in hand. Half-baked? Not really (I have the Xoom, and I don't think that is half-baked). This piece of machinery rocks hardcore. Had the Atrix had the Inspire. But what made me do it was the 4G LTE radio. They all have minor problems (from my use cases). I really enjoy this handheld. I was begging for a product launch as soon as possible. Now that I have it - I will not complain. The paint is almost dry folks. Hang in there. I consider myself one of the fortunate users that were able to pickup a Thunderbolt.
Issues aside as an early adopter, are you happy with your Thunderbolt?
On a side note, I'm on my 3rd 17" Macbook Pro early 2011 Quad-Core due to over-heating issues. Yeah, it's from Apple - nothing is perfect.
The only thing I'm not happy with is the battery life while on LTE. I've got the toggle switch in there now but it's a pain to change it if I'm already in the middle of something, so I end up just leaving it on 3G all the time unless I'm doing something specific that benefits from the (awesome) speed bump. I'm hopeful that in the near future some of the battery-managing apps (JuiceDefender, etc.) will be updated to include LTE on/off options, so that for example I can have 4G turn off automatically when my phone's screen is off, or when my battery gets below 25%.
I am actually happy with the phone for the most part. The phone is VERY fast. I had a DroidX before and I thought that was a fast Android phone. The Thunderbolt is noticeably more snappier than the X though. The only time it lags is installing stuff from the market. Otherwise, it's blazing fast which I love.
Im in San Diego and the 4G coverage is AWESOME here. No drops or anything. The low latency on the 4G network makes the phone seem even faster when using apps like facebook. On the 3G network, it used to take a couple seconds for the network to respond, but now, data connections establish almost instantly.
The only thing that kills it is the battery. It makes the phone virtually unusable. It's like a Corvette with a 3 gallon gas tank. Sure it's fast, sexy and sleek, but you can only go about 50-60 miles before you're strandred on the side of the road and people are laughing at how your new performance machine has become a giant paperweight.
If no patch or fix comes out that at least marginnally improves the battery life, I might have to shell out full price for a Droid Bionic when it comes out. Moto seems to know how to make batteries. My Droid X battery EASILY last 18+ hours with good usage. My buddy's Atrix goes over 2 days on a charge. Then again, maybe crappy battery will be the price of admission when it comes to LTE. It's possible the Bionic will have atroicious battery life as well.
When everyone is saying poor battery life, "what do you consider poor?"
I've had a G1 since it first came out over 2 years ago, then got a G2 when it came out and the battery life was no where near my old "cell phone" as far as lasting that long.
Now compared to my laptop, I would say it was better than the laptop was.
I remember hearing these same complaints when Android phones first came out (Iphones for that matter as well).
So I guess I'm wondering what people consider poor? If I can get a good 8-10 hours with moderate use, I'm happy (and it's about what I would expect).
So what are your expectations?
I am pretty happy with my Thunderbolt.
I live in a 4G area, but I can tell at work, I am getting close to the edge of 4G range and my battery life is worse at work as a result. Overall, the battery is fairly comparable to my OG Droid battery life. In both cases I have kept my phone on the charger while at work. I will probably buy a spare battery for my Tbolt. I did that with my droid and never regretted it. I am not interested in the extra size from the extended battery.
I am happier with Sense than I thought I would be. It is sleek, responsive, and I find it makes a more pleasant experience.
I love the phone, but I'm still on the fence about whether or not to keep it. I'm past my 14 days, but I've always had good luck with selling my phones on Craigslist for almost twice what I pay. I put a listing on Craigslist to see what I could get and have offers already ranging from $200-$550.
Anyways, battery life and signal are my main issues. I'm also upset that when shooting video I can't hear a damn thing when playing it back.
On battery, I wake up for work and after charging my phone all night my battery is at 85% within 20 minutes. I thought my Samsung epic had bad battery life, but this is horrible. Im in a 4g area at home, and even with WiFi only on and most apps closed, battery is still bad. I can't even make it until noon without the battery being completely drained.
My other issue is signal. 4g is awesome when it works. However, I can sit in one spot and have full 3G but the phone constantly drops to 1X or no signal. My coworker has been beside me with her droidx and her phone maintains the full 3G signal. Same with another coworkers OG Droid .It's annoying to have a great phone with service that is constantly going in and out, or that can never be used to its full potential or used the way I want to use it, for fear of a dropped signal or dead battery.
I have a backup battery on the way so for now I'm gona deal with it. However, if the video recording isn't fixed with an update and I my signal issues persist I may have to sell my TB.
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When everyone is saying poor battery life, "what do you consider poor?"
I've had a G1 since it first came out over 2 years ago, then got a G2 when it came out and the battery life was no where near my old "cell phone" as far as lasting that long.
Now compared to my laptop, I would say it was better than the laptop was.
I remember hearing these same complaints when Android phones first came out (Iphones for that matter as well).
So I guess I'm wondering what people consider poor? If I can get a good 8-10 hours with moderate use, I'm happy (and it's about what I would expect).
So what are your expectations?
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Poor = phone dropping a percent every few minutes of use. This morning it went from 100 to 80 within a hour and I hadnt used the phone for anything at all.. just turned on the screen a few times to check the battery level.
I might be spoiled by the Droid X because I never worried about the battery on that phone. With the Thunderbolt, Im always trying to keep it on a charger when Im not using it because it discharges so quickly.. I dont want to get stuck somewhere without a phone.
I love this phone, I love the development that's going on with it, and I can only see it getting better. Sure, there are some minor things, like GPS/Battery/Screen.. but I think it can all be worked through.
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Poor = phone dropping a percent every few minutes of use. This morning it went from 100 to 80 within a hour and I hadnt used the phone for anything at all.. just turned on the screen a few times to check the battery level.
I might be spoiled by the Droid X because I never worried about the battery on that phone. With the Thunderbolt, Im always trying to keep it on a charger when Im not using it because it discharges so quickly.. I dont want to get stuck somewhere without a phone.
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I'm wondering what you have running in the backgroud that could be sucking up your battery. I've had mine off charge since 6am this morning. It's now almost 1:30 and I'm still at 79% charge. I've been using it to make some calls and play a game or two, check my emails when I get a notification and some web searches.
All of my android phones have been about the same.
I love it.
I sleep with mine
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I sleep with mine
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crazed_z06 said:
I am actually happy with the phone for the most part. The phone is VERY fast. I had a DroidX before and I thought that was a fast Android phone. The Thunderbolt is noticeably more snappier than the X though. The only time it lags is installing stuff from the market. Otherwise, it's blazing fast which I love.
Im in San Diego and the 4G coverage is AWESOME here. No drops or anything. The low latency on the 4G network makes the phone seem even faster when using apps like facebook. On the 3G network, it used to take a couple seconds for the network to respond, but now, data connections establish almost instantly.
The only thing that kills it is the battery. It makes the phone virtually unusable. It's like a Corvette with a 3 gallon gas tank. Sure it's fast, sexy and sleek, but you can only go about 50-60 miles before you're strandred on the side of the road and people are laughing at how your new performance machine has become a giant paperweight.
If no patch or fix comes out that at least marginnally improves the battery life, I might have to shell out full price for a Droid Bionic when it comes out. Moto seems to know how to make batteries. My Droid X battery EASILY last 18+ hours with good usage. My buddy's Atrix goes over 2 days on a charge. Then again, maybe crappy battery will be the price of admission when it comes to LTE. It's possible the Bionic will have atroicious battery life as well.
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I don't really agree with this. I'm coming from the D2 and I could hardly ever make it the whole day without charging. Really no different from the The imo. Plus I don't think motos build quality was that good either. I was never really happy with that phone.
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squeeze said:
I will assume that most of us on this board are early adopters, geek-heads, nerds or other types that just need their gadget fix.
We were all disappointed that the Thunderbolt went from one release date to another and another and another. When the product finally launched we all went through various motions of discounts, opening up new phone lines, equipment swapping with spouse, etc. I switched from ATT iPhone 4 to VZW the day after the TBolt Launch.
With all the little nuances (battery life, 4G/3G disconnects, etc) - I am extremely happy with what I have in my hands. We begged and begged for a product release and now we have it in hand. Half-baked? Not really (I have the Xoom, and I don't think that is half-baked). This piece of machinery rocks hardcore. Had the Atrix had the Inspire. But what made me do it was the 4G LTE radio. They all have minor problems (from my use cases). I really enjoy this handheld. I was begging for a product launch as soon as possible. Now that I have it - I will not complain. The paint is almost dry folks. Hang in there. I consider myself one of the fortunate users that were able to pickup a Thunderbolt.
Issues aside as an early adopter, are you happy with your Thunderbolt?
On a side note, I'm on my 3rd 17" Macbook Pro early 2011 Quad-Core due to over-heating issues. Yeah, it's from Apple - nothing is perfect.
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Just got my TB yesterday. Speed Test is surprising though. I am getting 6-8 Mbps down but my upload is crazy fast 30-40 Mbps. Is this odd from what others are seeing? Been trying it in different locations and the pattern seems consistent so far.
I haven't really had any issues. I love this phone.
I think the biggest complaint can be summed up this way. For HOW the Bolt was shipped, most people feel that they shouldnt have to tweak ANYTHING for it to last them all day. I, to a point agree, however, with that said look at any new computer. Can you pull it out of the box and just run it? Sure you can and it will work well for the AVERAGE user. Now, someone with more knowledge will want MORE out of their computer. Its the same with the battery life. Those of us that use it MORE will see crappy battery life. Why? Because were using it more.
Tips/tricks/apps and what not are for people that are going to use their phone MORE than the AVERAGE user will. My mom gets two days out of her Droid 2 before she has to charge it. ALL of her settings/themes/everything is stock out of the box and never bump charged. My sister has the EXACT same phone and was getting a single day use out of it. I installed JD on both of their phones, and my sister gets a little over a day and a half and my mom gets about two and a half days. My mom RARELY touches her phone while my sisters constantly using it. Two separate users, two separate charge times. One gets amazing battery life, the other complains about how short the battery lasts.
So, if you use your phone more than the AVERAGE user, expect below average battery life. This phone IS a battery hog, I will say that, but then again, my phones in my hand and Im playin with it every chance I get. ;-)
On this one, both parties are right and wrong. So agree to disagree, take the steps to get better battery life or move on. Its getting redic with the amount of threads there are dedicated to this topic.
YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING YOURSELF INTO WHEN YOU GOT THE PHONE.
Here are some links for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027802
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022434
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdE4xPfL8Fs
http://www.verizonwireless.com/thunderbolt-trade-extended-battery-2750-mah-cover.shtml
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/300920-post-ways-get-awesome-battery-life.html
The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.
RogerPodacter said:
The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.
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Different radios, different processors,different screen types = different power consumption
I did notice on the stock fimware before i rooted that the idle usage was virtually nothing. WAY better than my vibrant was. It seems since ive rooted and undervolted ive lost some battery life, but man the performance is so worth it.
Anyway, we are carrying around full computers with broadband speeds. im not complaining about battery life.
RogerPodacter said:
The only thing I'm confused about is I thought the latest HTC sense was super efficient. I tested the HTC inspire stock ROM with the current widget. And idle power draw was a mind blowing 1mA, sometimes 3mA. That is just superb standby power. Same improved snap dragon CPU, RAM, etc I'd think the thunderbolt would be the same.
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If only.
My Bolt's (stock, rooted, custom rom, whatever) idle drain is about 36-40mA with bounces up to 90mA quite frequently.
Ok guys I apologize. A week ago I setup the current widget on 2 thunderbolt units here at the local Verizon store. Both collected data for a full week.
I just looked at the data and both phones stay at 34mA during idle time. Day after fly, over and over the results were identical, on both units. And they stayed on during the night too!
The bad part is that I did the same on the stock inspire at ATT, and that phone hit 1-3mA doing the same idle use. Which is a superb result. My nexus one stays around 5 mA.
So no wonder the thunderbolt sees worst battery life. You are gonna have to try a different ROM, or remove the crap stuff running.
Interesting though, perhaps Verizon has something running on the ROM. Go stock!
I had good battery capacity when mine was stock. It would last all day. Now if I played with the thing constantly it wouldn't. Using it here and there, I would never hit yellow.
I have tweaked it to get more batt life. I keep the screen on low setting unless I am outside and can't see it. Keep GPS/BT/WIFI off until i need it, and I shut the screen off when I am not actively using it. If you go under information, the screen uses the most battery life. Nothing to do with sense. Even GPS didn't come close to the screen usage. So I make sure the screen is off unless I am actively using it.
RogerPodacter said:
Ok guys I apologize. A week ago I setup the current widget on 2 thunderbolt units here at the local Verizon store. Both collected data for a full week.
I just looked at the data and both phones stay at 34mA during idle time. Day after fly, over and over the results were identical, on both units. And they stayed on during the night too!
The bad part is that I did the same on the stock inspire at ATT, and that phone hit 1-3mA doing the same idle use. Which is a superb result. My nexus one stays around 5 mA.
So no wonder the thunderbolt sees worst battery life. You are gonna have to try a different ROM, or remove the crap stuff running.
Interesting though, perhaps Verizon has something running on the ROM. Go stock!
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Hmm, that's not good. I can confirm that both my Nexus One and nexus S draw about 5mA. Any thoughts on what might be causing the bolt to draw 7 times the amount of power. Is there any way to monitor it?
jlevy73 said:
Hmm, that's not good. I can confirm that both my Nexus One and nexus S draw about 5mA. Any thoughts on what might be causing the bolt to draw 7 times the amount of power. Is there any way to monitor it?
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I really don't know what the reason is other than to say its just the stock ROM. In the other battery thread multiple people posted saying their thunderbolt only hit 30mA during idle. So I was skeptical but not anymore. Particularly because both working devices I checked had such damn similar results, both a little over 30mA. And there was a ton of data, from 2 devices, matching what this forum claims. Only suggestion is use another ROM.
Related story though. Previously I used the same ROM install for 5 months on my n1, and at the end the phone would only hit 50mA during idle over night. Presumably from just months of my data, app installs, etc. Clean flash took it right back to 5mA. Even with all apps re installed. So there is something to lots of crap loaded. Anecdotal, but proof enough for me.
the biggest battery hog for me is the screen, as long as you turn it off when your not using it and keep the auto - lock to 15s battery shouldnt be an issue for anyone
ALso, Juice Defender Beta has been updated on the market, and works well with the TB now.
I'm running the Virus Rom with Adrynalyne's 4.1b Kernel and I **** you not, last night I left my phones screen on (because its set to never dim but I should have the app control that now that I think of it) for 8 hours while I slept. Woke up and looked over at my phone lying on my nightstand with the screen on, picked it up and it was at 20% battery left. I think I passed out when it had 80% but I can't be sure (damn this Kraken Rum)
Either way. People with battery life complaints. I...I pity you.
I'm gettin 12 hours out of my TB
That's about the same as I got off my OG Droid
this is not a signature I type it in every time maybe sent from my phone or my computer
I'm getting about the same as my d1 running gingerbread. I'm still getting the extended battery too though. VZW is giving it to me for 18 dollars...
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McLabia said:
I think the biggest complaint can be summed up this way. For HOW the Bolt was shipped, most people feel that they shouldnt have to tweak ANYTHING for it to last them all day. I, to a point agree, however, with that said look at any new computer. Can you pull it out of the box and just run it? Sure you can and it will work well for the AVERAGE user. Now, someone with more knowledge will want MORE out of their computer. Its the same with the battery life. Those of us that use it MORE will see crappy battery life. Why? Because were using it more.
Tips/tricks/apps and what not are for people that are going to use their phone MORE than the AVERAGE user will. My mom gets two days out of her Droid 2 before she has to charge it. ALL of her settings/themes/everything is stock out of the box and never bump charged. My sister has the EXACT same phone and was getting a single day use out of it. I installed JD on both of their phones, and my sister gets a little over a day and a half and my mom gets about two and a half days. My mom RARELY touches her phone while my sisters constantly using it. Two separate users, two separate charge times. One gets amazing battery life, the other complains about how short the battery lasts.
So, if you use your phone more than the AVERAGE user, expect below average battery life. This phone IS a battery hog, I will say that, but then again, my phones in my hand and Im playin with it every chance I get. ;-)
On this one, both parties are right and wrong. So agree to disagree, take the steps to get better battery life or move on. Its getting redic with the amount of threads there are dedicated to this topic.
YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING YOURSELF INTO WHEN YOU GOT THE PHONE.
Here are some links for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027802
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022434
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdE4xPfL8Fs
http://www.verizonwireless.com/thunderbolt-trade-extended-battery-2750-mah-cover.shtml
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunderbolt/300920-post-ways-get-awesome-battery-life.html
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disagree with most of this. i had a droid x prior and am using this device exaclty as much as i did that one. my battery life if HALF what the x was. and before you ask, i've had 4g toggled off continuously for the last week and have seen only marginal improvement.
i realize the t-bolt and the x have different processors/screens/radios, etc, but all-in-all they are pretty close performance-wise when i comes to everyday use. i can see the t-bolt having marginally worse battery life than the droid x, that would be a reasonable expectation. but HALF? sorry, not buying it.
i can't think of any other explanation than that the firmware
htc pushed out on this thing is flawed. not a dev though, so maybe i'm dumb...
If anything you should see improved battery life since the newer snap dragon is more power efficient, etc.
cwininger said:
disagree with most of this. i had a droid x prior and am using this device exaclty as much as i did that one. my battery life if HALF what the x was. and before you ask, i've had 4g toggled off continuously for the last week and have seen only marginal improvement.
i realize the t-bolt and the x have different processors/screens/radios, etc, but all-in-all they are pretty close performance-wise when i comes to everyday use. i can see the t-bolt having marginally worse battery life than the droid x, that would be a reasonable expectation. but HALF? sorry, not buying it.
i can't think of any other explanation than that the firmware
htc pushed out on this thing is flawed. not a dev though, so maybe i'm dumb...
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In the end, were talking about the Bolt, not the X. The X in this case is 100% irrelevant. You can disagree all you want, but my point still stands strong.
No battery complaints here. Half on 3g and half on 4g. This is with the htc extended battery. Running chingys rom with ziggy's latest bfs kernel oced to 1.49. Kik running the whole time.
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You can't compare the X to the thunderbolt. The X has a bigger battery to begin with, so you can't judge power efficiency based on uptime.
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In the end, were talking about the Bolt, not the X. The X in this case is 100% irrelevant. You can disagree all you want, but my point still stands strong.
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i'm not following you logic here. the droid x is a direct competitor. we're talking apples to apples here. it's significantly better in the battery area. i had an original droid before that and it was much better. how can that be irrelevant?
your notion that "this is just how smartphones are. you knew what you were getting so deal with it" is just plain wrong. we are discussing whether the battery life on the thunderbolt is a weakness or not. look at posts #5 and #6! you're telling me that's normal?
the idea that there are more people praising battery life on this thing than are complaining about it is wrong too. pop over the the htc forums and see the number one beef is over there. go into a verizon store and mention "thunderbolt battery life" to a tech and watch them roll their eyes.
bottom line: the thunderbolt is great in a lot of ways, but for a large percentage of us the battery life is pretty crappy, and for no good reason.
Ok guys, I have been an Android fan since I got my first OG Droid back in Dec '09. I really wanted this Thunderbolt since it was announced. First thing I did when I got it was test the 4G speed. Friggin unbelievable.
What else is unbelievable is the damn battery drain. I honestly cant stand it. My OG Droid was not this bad. It was bad, yes, but not like this. I am charging probably 2 times a day, with not that much use.
I downloaded the app to turn off 4G, but what good is that? I got the phone because of the 4G!!!! I turn off widgets. i turn off auto-sync. I did the whole battery charge thing, i.e. turn off after full charge, take battery out, etc.....
Then when charing the battery it takes like 4-5 times longer to charge the damn thing. what is up with that? my OG Droid took way less then half the time to get a full charge?
get this, the other night, right before bed I had a 1/2 charge on my battery. at home i leave wifi on because it was said that it is less of a battery drain then the 4g. well, when i woke up by phone wouldnt turn on at all. it was completely dead. the weird thing is, this isnt all the time. the battery has a life of its own!!!!!
now you will tell me to root it and try a rom with a custom kernel. anyone who roots knows that once you do it you are constantly looking for the perfect rom. and guess what, you will never find it. with my OG Droid i probably had a new rom every 2 weeks or so. i really dont want to keep doing that over and over.
so if anyone can convince me otherwise, give a good reason to not switch I am 99% sure that I am going to iphone 4.
Cool story bro. Enjoy your iPhone.
i guess i'm just frustrated, if you couldnet tell.
do you no have issues with your bolt
AisforAustin?
For me, it's all about if you want' Apple to control your technology needs and provide to you what THEY deem necessary and be part of the mindless clan (watch the movie Metropolis, the Giorgio Moroder 1984 version). Then iphone will do for you. On the other hand, if you enjoy taking on technology and thinking for youself, and yes, finding delight in changing your ROM every 2 weeks, and learning from others, and learning from your mistakes, then DROID is for you
I have been happy with my bolt. I came from the Droid X which had very good battery life for me. At first I was a bit iffy about my bolts life, but since I dont have 4G yet I turned off the radio and that helped. Now I am undervolted, bloat free, and monitoring all the **** that is running in the background. Battery lasts me a lot longer than I thought. When 4G comes to my area this year, I will lost a bit of that life, but I'm fine with that. You have to remember, these aren't just phones anymore. They are computers basically. You aren't going to get the same life on any of these smartphones as you would on a RAZR.
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Ok guys, I have been an Android fan since I got my first OG Droid back in Dec '09. I really wanted this Thunderbolt since it was announced. First thing I did when I got it was test the 4G speed. Friggin unbelievable.
What else is unbelievable is the damn battery drain. I honestly cant stand it. My OG Droid was not this bad. It was bad, yes, but not like this. I am charging probably 2 times a day, with not that much use.
I downloaded the app to turn off 4G, but what good is that? I got the phone because of the 4G!!!! I turn off widgets. i turn off auto-sync. I did the whole battery charge thing, i.e. turn off after full charge, take battery out, etc.....
Then when charing the battery it takes like 4-5 times longer to charge the damn thing. what is up with that? my OG Droid took way less then half the time to get a full charge?
get this, the other night, right before bed I had a 1/2 charge on my battery. at home i leave wifi on because it was said that it is less of a battery drain then the 4g. well, when i woke up by phone wouldnt turn on at all. it was completely dead. the weird thing is, this isnt all the time. the battery has a life of its own!!!!!
now you will tell me to root it and try a rom with a custom kernel. anyone who roots knows that once you do it you are constantly looking for the perfect rom. and guess what, you will never find it. with my OG Droid i probably had a new rom every 2 weeks or so. i really dont want to keep doing that over and over.
so if anyone can convince me otherwise, give a good reason to not switch I am 99% sure that I am going to iphone 4.
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No offense but last time I checked you decided to jump ship on your own and go with a device that uses a new technology which I'm going to assume you were smart enough to know there would be some kinks and bugs to iron out...
You can't possibly expect 4G to be perfect and better on battery life from the get go, not to mention I turn my 4G off when I'm not using it and I can get a day and a half out of my phone no problem. Secondly why do you need 4G on when you're not even using it? How hard is it to flip the switch off when you're updating your twitter or facebook timeline? Do you really need 4G for a two second process on 3G? If you're surfing the internet fine, streaming video fine, but why is it necessary on simple quick tasks or during standby or sleep?
I'm just saying your expectations were probably too high of a premature technology from the get go, also you're utilizing something you don't need all of the time.
trust me i have been a loyal android fan but this experience is just killin me. i understand that this phone does more but come on, they really have to do something about the battery.
as for custom roms, i am good for it but as i said they all have ups and downs and i just dont want to keep messing with them once i find a major flaw, something of which all the custom roms have.
its not that i want to go and have apple dictate what i can and cant do with my phone. but you have to admit that google / manufacturers are letting all these developers do their work for them. they put out a 1/2 ass piece of work knowing that some developer on xda will come out with a root and a rom to fix their screw up.
i dont know, like i said, i'm just frustrated......
jasonbiggs said:
For me, it's all about if you want' Apple to control your technology needs and provide to you what THEY deem necessary and be part of the mindless clan (watch the movie Metropolis, the Giorgio Moroder 1984 version). Then iphone will do for you. On the other hand, if you enjoy taking on technology and thinking for youself, and yes, finding delight in changing your ROM every 2 weeks, and learning from others, and learning from your mistakes, then DROID is for you
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ANDROID is for you. It's not called the DROID OS, it's Android. I'd prefer not to have people start calling every android device a DROID like they call all MP3 players iPods even if they are not
I personally came from apple and would NEVER go back. Everything is so locked down. 1 app store with what apple wants in it. A new phone every year (which basically just matches what android has released years ago). I mean but yea battery go with iPhone since being locked down gives you better battery life.
Oh and personally with major usage my phone lasts at least 10 hours. Which I'm pretty sure is close to the iPhone.
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trust me i have been a loyal android fan but this experience is just killin me. i understand that this phone does more but come on, they really have to do something about the battery.
as for custom roms, i am good for it but as i said they all have ups and downs and i just dont want to keep messing with them once i find a major flaw, something of which all the custom roms have.
its not that i want to go and have apple dictate what i can and cant do with my phone. but you have to admit that google / manufacturers are letting all these developers do their work for them. they put out a 1/2 ass piece of work knowing that some developer on xda will come out with a root and a rom to fix their screw up.
i dont know, like i said, i'm just frustrated......
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Ever heard of Cyanogenmod?
DigitalDementia said:
No offense but last time I checked you decided to jump ship on your own and go with a device that uses a new technology which I'm going to assume you were smart enough to know there would be some kinks and bugs to iron out...
You can't possibly expect 4G to be perfect and better on battery life from the get go, not to mention I turn my 4G off when I'm not using it and I can get a day and a half out of my phone no problem. Secondly why do you need 4G on when you're not even using it? How hard is it to flip the switch off when you're updating your twitter or facebook timeline? Do you really need 4G for a two second process on 3G? If you're surfing the internet fine, streaming video fine, but why is it necessary on simple quick tasks or during standby or sleep?
I'm just saying your expectations were probably too high of a premature technology from the get go, also you're utilizing something you don't need all of the time.
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in my opinion, this release of 4g from verizon and htc, is not the best that they could have done. most likely they held releasing the bolt because of the battery issue then got some backlash for constantly pushing it out. guess what, there is still a problem.
i just dont understand why i would need to constantly switch back and forth between 4g and 3g, just seems dumb to me. its like having high speed internet at home and switching between my fios and dialup based on what i need at the time. duh. this may be the fix for now, but come on.
plus, my battery issues have been with 4g off, auto-sync off, no widgets. and still have a drain.
I would atleast wait for the first update to see if they fix or improve upon some of these issues.
So let me get this straight, you hate the idea of using 3g on the TB, but like the idea of switching to a 3g phone?
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First of all, I love my Thunderbolt and do not have battery issues. The only time the battery drains is when I use it what I would deem excessively throughout the day. Maybe you have a bad battery? I am not sure, but my phone gets me through a day, and even if it starts to run short, I can plug it in in my car on the way home, which is no inconvenience to me, and it has MORE than enough juice for the rest of the night. Something is definitely eating up your battery though, because the other night I went out drinking and came home drunk with only about 20% left on my battery from the days use. I was too buzzed to bother plugging in the phone, so it was the first time I went to bed with the phone unplugged. I woke up 12 hours later to around 10% battery life.
Also, if you want to go iPhone, then have fun. I gave up a long time ago trying to convince people one is better than the other. It is a pointless argument. I will tell you this though. I have some friends who have iPhone 4s through their job. This was where I first saw the iPhone 4 in the public. To begin with the screen is TINY! People can rave all they want about the retina display, but the small screen does not make it worth the higher resolution in my opinion. Also, if you think owning an iPhone is going to keep you from cord diving to charge your phone, think again. All those guys I know are constantly plugging their phone in throughout the day to get a little bit of a charge here and there so they make it through the day.
This is all just my opinions/experience though, and you have fun doing whatever you are going to do.
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Yes, do they have a stable release for the Bolt now? If so I would love to try it out. Anyone have results on battery life with their latest release?
eddyo78 said:
in my opinion, this release of 4g from verizon and htc, is not the best that they could have done. most likely they held releasing the bolt because of the battery issue then got some backlash for constantly pushing it out. guess what, there is still a problem.
i just dont understand why i would need to constantly switch back and forth between 4g and 3g, just seems dumb to me. its like having high speed internet at home and switching between my fios and dialup based on what i need at the time. duh. this may be the fix for now, but come on.
plus, my battery issues have been with 4g off, auto-sync off, no widgets. and still have a drain.
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I'll tell you what guy, no one here really cares for your incessant whining, or your more than obvious trolling. We have better things to do with our days than listen to you whine and complain about a decision you made because you were too incompetent to wait and see reviews, or wait for the technology to mature.
Go to a Verizon store return your Thunderbolt get an iPhone 4 (Which is 9 months old) instead and then go whine in their forums about how you miss your 4.3inch touchscreen, your 4G speeds, your true multi-tasking, and custom roms.
Not to mention you can piss and moan with them when the iPhone 5 comes out with it's dual core processor and 4inch touchscreen.
If a mod could close down this troll thread that would be fantastic. On that note I bid you good day sir.
there does seem to be an issue with the stock ROM using 34mA of idle current from the 7 days of data i gathered on 2 stock units. where as other android phones pull 5mA of idle current. so i'm guessing that the thunderbolt delay in being released had something to do with this, and its STILL not quite on par with other android phones.
the option is to not use the stock TB rom, instead try cm7 or an aosp based ROM and see if the current draw returns to normal.
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Yes, do they have a stable release for the Bolt now? If so I would love to try it out. Anyone have results on battery life with their latest release?
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They just got 3G/4G working today however you aren't patient enough and don't care about freedom of your device so go grab an iPhone instead like I just stated.
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They just got 3G/4G working today however you aren't patient enough and don't care about freedom of your device so go grab an iPhone instead like I just stated.
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holy crap, DigitalDementia, did someone piss in your cheerios this morning?
I was going to say that you guys are turning me around, but you had nothing to do with it. My God, I feel sorry for you!
I will give CM7 a try tonight and see how it goes. If I am still having issues I'll get Verizon to give me a new battery as that could be it. I really didnt like the idea of going but am just getting tired of charging this thing so much.
I'll let you guys know how it goes and Digital, please take a chill pill. Dont want you to go postal or anything just because I was thinking of switching.
Is your charger working correctly? Try a different one. I had similar problems with another device draining while plugged in. It was a faulty charger. As for the battery life during the day, I have only had problems once with my TB.
With all the complaining about this phone flooding the forums, I thought I would post something positive that I found improves the phone. When I purchased this phone I knew nothing about it other then it had a nvidia dual core...I had to have it. 2 hours later while in the market it froze. Removed battery and never turned on again. So back to store to get another. :-( Needless to say phone has been fine since. However I had too had some of the ever popular issues. Decided to root it using one click root and installed nvflash. Backed up stock rom and flashed the gingerbread leaked rom. No more problems. I had a problem with the phone lagging bad while trying to type. Reinstalled Rom and ok now. I use antutu CPU master. I have setup the profiles to my like. I basically turned it down to 608mhz Max and while it is charging it is normal. Phone is not as snappy, but is still fast enough for normal use. This gave me a instant battery gain. Before I couldn't go more then 4 hours without a charger (pretty lame) now I have gone 12 hours of what I consider normal use. So...there is nothing more to complain about other then LG and Google need to get there sh__ together and give us some updates. Pretty bad when you have to do all this to get this phone to work.
Sick of heari.g about the sensation... i am thinking that before the g2x came out everyone thought it was going to solve the world. I think some people just need excuses to have the latest and greatest phones. Come on people the grass isn't always greener.
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With all the complaining about this phone flooding the forums, I thought I would post something positive that I found improves the phone. When I purchased this phone I knew nothing about it other then it had a nvidia dual core...I had to have it. 2 hours later while in the market it froze. Removed battery and never turned on again. So back to store to get another. :-( Needless to say phone has been fine since. However I had too had some of the ever popular issues. Decided to root it using one click root and installed nvflash. Backed up stock rom and flashed the gingerbread leaked rom. No more problems. I had a problem with the phone lagging bad while trying to type. Reinstalled Rom and ok now. I use antutu CPU master. I have setup the profiles to my like. I basically turned it down to 608mhz Max and while it is charging it is normal. Phone is not as snappy, but is still fast enough for normal use. This gave me a instant battery gain. Before I couldn't go more then 4 hours without a charger (pretty lame) now I have gone 12 hours of what I consider normal use. So...there is nothing more to complain about other then LG and Google need to get there sh__ together and give us some updates. Pretty bad when you have to do all this to get this phone to work.
Sick of heari.g about the sensation... i am thinking that before the g2x came out everyone thought it was going to solve the world. I think some people just need excuses to have the latest and greatest phones. Come on people the grass isn't always greener.
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Not to rain on your parade, but I'd hardly call having to run a leaked buggy rom and then underclock your processor by about 40% just to get it to work properly positive news. That's just more information that confirms how substantial the current problems are. To underclock your phone almost 40% pretty much defeats the purpose of having a dual core phone. If you're going to do that you might as well have gotten a G2 or Nexus S or something. Also to have done all that and have still only gotten 12 hours of battery life isn't really that impressive. I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm just offering a bit of perspective. To lose almost half of your processing power just to match the battery life that other phones (ex. Sensation) can get out of the box using the full processor is definitely not a positive. Quite frankly I find that to be quite the opposite...meaning it's very negative. The grass may not always be greener on the other side, but at least for me, in my opinion...after having tried both sides of the grass..it's definitely greener. While that may change in the future after the cure-all update (the one everyone is praying actually fixes the phone), as of right now the reality of the situation is the G2X needs fixing before its ready for prime time. Until then it's just merely a phone with potential.
mysterioustko said:
Not to rain on your parade, but I'd hardly call having to run a leaked buggy rom and then underclock your processor by about 40% just to get it to work properly positive news. That's just more information that confirms how substantial the current problems are. To underclock your phone almost 40% pretty much defeats the purpose of having a dual core phone. If you're going to do that you might as well have gotten a G2 or Nexus S or something. Also to have done all that and have still only gotten 12 hours of battery life isn't really that impressive. I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm just offering a bit of perspective. To lose almost half of your processing power just to match the battery life that other phones (ex. Sensation) can get out of the box using the full processor is definitely not a positive. Quite frankly I find that to be quite the opposite...meaning it's very negative. The grass may not always be greener on the other side, but at least for me, in my opinion...after having tried both sides of the grass..it's definitely greener. While that may change in the future after the cure-all update (the one everyone is praying actually fixes the phone), as of right now the reality of the situation is the G2X needs fixing before its ready for prime time. Until then it's just merely a phone with potential.
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I tried both and the sensation just pissed me off. Damn girly phone...lol
G2x is better imo... Stable for me..
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I tried both and the sensation just pissed me off. Damn girly phone...lol
G2x is better imo... Stable for me..
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so very eloquently put...well I'll play along...then I guess that makes the G2X schizophrenic then huh? lol Nah but seriously though I'm not trying to hijack his thread into a "phone a is better than phone b" thread. My thing was I'm just pointing out that his "positive news", really isn't a positive at all..and quite frankly I find it to be an indictment of the device more than anything. So though his intent may have been positive news, it really delivered negative news.
+1.
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With all the complaining about this phone flooding the forums, I thought I would post something positive that I found improves the phone. When I purchased this phone I knew nothing about it other then it had a nvidia dual core...I had to have it. 2 hours later while in the market it froze. Removed battery and never turned on again. So back to store to get another. :-( Needless to say phone has been fine since. However I had too had some of the ever popular issues. Decided to root it using one click root and installed nvflash. Backed up stock rom and flashed the gingerbread leaked rom. No more problems. I had a problem with the phone lagging bad while trying to type. Reinstalled Rom and ok now. I use antutu CPU master. I have setup the profiles to my like. I basically turned it down to 608mhz Max and while it is charging it is normal. Phone is not as snappy, but is still fast enough for normal use. This gave me a instant battery gain. Before I couldn't go more then 4 hours without a charger (pretty lame) now I have gone 12 hours of what I consider normal use. So...there is nothing more to complain about other then LG and Google need to get there sh__ together and give us some updates. Pretty bad when you have to do all this to get this phone to work.
Sick of heari.g about the sensation... i am thinking that before the g2x came out everyone thought it was going to solve the world. I think some people just need excuses to have the latest and greatest phones. Come on people the grass isn't always greener.
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There are no greatest and latest fone. Sensation will have its own problems. My g2x with EB1.04 GB, together with setcpu runs flawless, not a single problem. Thanks to the EB developer(s).
I unplug my phone at 8am and throw it on the charger at midnight. I use it pretty heavily throughout the day. I'm always sending corporate exchange emails, personal emails, SMS, twitter news links, and facebook.. along with wordfeud and kingdoms live a few times a day plus whatever game I find throughout the day.
Pretty happy with battery life. I'm running CM7 and stock kernel. Custom Kernels OC/UV typically have much better battery life. I also don't use SetCPU or anything special. Just stock CM7.
I've only had the G2X for a few days, but so far I've had no problems whatsoever. I checked for the backlight bleeding and luckily my phone doesn't have that issue. Everything else is working great and the phone is amazingly fast. If it helps the date on the box is 5/09/11
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I unplug my phone at 8am and throw it on the charger at midnight. I use it pretty heavily throughout the day. I'm always sending corporate exchange emails, personal emails, SMS, twitter news links, and facebook.. along with wordfeud and kingdoms live a few times a day plus whatever game I find throughout the day.
Pretty happy with battery life. I'm running CM7 and stock kernel. Custom Kernels OC/UV typically have much better battery life. I also don't use SetCPU or anything special. Just stock CM7.
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Ya I use my phone heavily and I go to sleep around 2am and I have around 30 percent by the end of the day. I'm running stock and I just froze all the T-Mobile apps.
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If you download SetCPU or something else that can underclock with profiles, set it so it underclocks to the minimum when the screen is off. Your battery life will go through the roof.
I can go an entire day without a charge.
Something is wrong if you're only getting 4 hours at stock clocks.
Try using the battery calibration app, and then if you can swing the ~$3, get JuiceDefender.
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Not to rain on your parade, but I'd hardly call having to run a leaked buggy rom and then underclock your processor by about 40% just to get it to work properly positive news. That's just more information that confirms how substantial the current problems are. To underclock your phone almost 40% pretty much defeats the purpose of having a dual core phone. If you're going to do that you might as well have gotten a G2 or Nexus S or something. Also to have done all that and have still only gotten 12 hours of battery life isn't really that impressive. I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm just offering a bit of perspective. To lose almost half of your processing power just to match the battery life that other phones (ex. Sensation) can get out of the box using the full processor is definitely not a positive. Quite frankly I find that to be quite the opposite...meaning it's very negative. The grass may not always be greener on the other side, but at least for me, in my opinion...after having tried both sides of the grass..it's definitely greener. While that may change in the future after the cure-all update (the one everyone is praying actually fixes the phone), as of right now the reality of the situation is the G2X needs fixing before its ready for prime time. Until then it's just merely a phone with potential.
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You know your right. I am highly pissed with T-Mobile for not doing a _____ thing about this pos. It is ashame, because I swapped the galaxy s for this one. I have had many android phones and this is by far the worse case I've had. Really just trying to be patient and hope the update will solve issues. I wanted to post something that would possibly help someone else till this infamous update is released. In the phones defense, it is running two 1 gig cores, pretty impressive. There is no battery technology that would allow the capacity needed for this phone and maintain the slim form factor. I can understand that to a degree. I have seen the big battery for this phone and plan on purchasing it. I actually will like the fact that I'll have something to hold on too. My other point was "the latest and greatest phone" is not always the solution. On another note, T-Mobile has absolutely the worse customer service! Very displeased that I am going to be supporting them for 1yr and 11 months yet!
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So I have two Samsung Droid Charges on my account.
One of them is completely stock, very minimal apps because it is a work phone and has to comply with provisioning standards for my company.
One is my personal phone, which I have rooted and have used various versions of Gummy and Humble, currently running Gummy 2.0 with the EP1Q radio.
While I absolutely love the screen and form-factor of this phone (even the hardware buttons), it seems to have a fatal flaw that I cannot abide. Verizon and Samsung both seem to be oblivious to the issue, but I have experienced it on both phones in several major markets (Atlanta, Charlotte, Norfolk, Richmond, etc).
Occasionally, my phone will simply lose all signal. It will display a 4G/3G/1x icon depending on my coverage area, but the bars will be empty with an "X" and I am unable to make phone calls or send text messages.
At other times, the data connection will simply disappear for no reason, even when I have solid coverage. There are areas where I know I have good service (my office, my home) and I simply lose data for no reason.
Each of these issues occurs randomly as I will have one phone sitting next to the other with signal or data, while the other one does not have it.
Sometimes switching airplane mode on/off will work, but usually I end up having to reboot the phone.
I am posting this to see if there are others experiencing these same issues because Verizon is giving me some push back, insisting that I go through the replacement process (receive a refurb Charge), despite the fact that one of the phones is already a replacement and one was a retail unit off the shelf, indicating the issue is - if not widespread - certainly not isolated.
If there are more people notifying Verizon, they may make it easier for those of us who experience these issues and cannot wait for a software update for which Samsung is notoriously slow at releasing.
(Side Note: The issue seems to be way worse in 3G coverage areas, but it also happens in 4G areas.)
its a known bug with the modems a lot of people have data drop problems. hopefully when GB official is released it will have a better modem
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We would've had GB a LONG time ago if Sammy wasn't fiddling around with the stupid Galaxy S2. They neglect every other phone on their lineup just because the Galaxy S2 sold so well.
I had 'spotty coverage' with my Charge with some of the older ROMs, however, since I have been on EP1Q (Stock debloated) I have had so few issues that I am perfectly happy to use the ROM as my daily driver.
The radio is fantastic as are my DL speeds. Auto brightness works again as well as the hardware key backlights. The best part of the ROM is the absolutely fantastic battery life! I take my phone off the charger at about 7am every morning and still have 50% left on the battery after almost 15 hours. Throughout that time, I send and recieve alot of email and text messages, make several short calls to colleagues and of course there is the innevitable round of Angry Birds while on the can.
All in all, I love this device!!!
~E~
It happens to all of us. Go try getting a new SIM.
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I had the problem with my Thunderbolt I bought on the first day fought with version constantly they replaced 4 of them before they sent me this charge, and guess what same issues. I am not a expert but I believe it's the network. Lte has problems and Verizon isn't saying anything for fear of looking bad. They have invested their future in it but there are issues and holding signal is one of them. Battery life is another that has to improve Apple can't release a phone until this is worked out unlike android you can't pop another battery in after 6 hours. BTW 3g had the same issues in the beginning
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I was having the same problem as you. Would go from 3g to 1x to nothing. Sometimes it would return in a few seconds sometime i would have to toggle data on/off/on or airplane mode and sometimes it would take a full rebot to fix the problem. I also would lose voice too but didnt happen no where near as often.
Ive had the problems from day one on stock non rooted EE4 and all the rooted roms ive ran. I didnt want to replace my phone with a recert phone so i got the verizon tech to just replace my sim card. Also updated my modem to the newest one the day after i got the new sim card.
Ive been running the new GC 2.0 FE for almost a week, along with a new Sim card and updated modems and have yet to lose voice or data at all.
As another suggested try getting verizon to replace your sim and/or reflash the newest modem. Hope that helps you it did for me.
give the EP1Q modem a try, my signal has improved immensely in the few crappy areas around here
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I'm already on my second SIM card and I've experienced the issue on both my stock Charge and my Charge that has been on Gingerbread (currently GC 2.0) and has the EP1Q radio.
I'm just going to head up to VZW next week, show them the threads and hopefully have one of the phones flip out while I'm there and not leave until they either offer a lateral replacement or give me a real time frame for a software fix.
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I had the problem with my Thunderbolt I bought on the first day fought with version constantly they replaced 4 of them before they sent me this charge, and guess what same issues. I am not a expert but I believe it's the network. Lte has problems and Verizon isn't saying anything for fear of looking bad. They have invested their future in it but there are issues and holding signal is one of them. Battery life is another that has to improve Apple can't release a phone until this is worked out unlike android you can't pop another battery in after 6 hours. BTW 3g had the same issues in the beginning
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Dude.. That's an excellent point about the IPhone.. Once you Die.... Your Dead! God I Love me Droid Charge !
RaiderWill said:
Dude.. That's an excellent point about the IPhone.. Once you Die.... Your Dead! God I Love me Droid Charge !
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Actually, it's not. My wife has an iPhone and the battery lasts FOREVER in that damn thing. It irritates the hell out of me.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE my gummy charge and would never buy an iPhone but her battery life is WAY WAY better than any Droid phone. Sure, you can't replace the battery but hers never fails to make it through a day of HEAVY use anyway so she doesn't care.......
~John
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Actually, it's not. My wife has an iPhone and the battery lasts FOREVER in that damn thing. It irritates the hell out of me.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE my gummy charge and would never buy an iPhone but her battery life is WAY WAY better than any Droid phone. Sure, you can't replace the battery but hers never fails to make it through a day of HEAVY use anyway so she doesn't care.......
~John
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Some of my friends have iPhones too (the dumb ones ) and the only thing im jealous of is the damn battery life. It has a 1420mah battery and easily lasts twice as long as an android phone. The iPod Touch (i happen to have a 3rd gen from before i got an android phone) lasts for a whole week with a 950 mah battery. i want you to get that galaxy player wifi and try getting that thing to last a whole week. I know that there are much more proccesses running in android and real multitasking (not the **** apple feeds to there customers on a white pretty boxed platter) but still, thats how they get that battery life, by limiting functionality. I am not pro apple or completely anti-apple, more pro android and google , but one thing apple has got in the bag is battery life.
An Android device can run just as long if not longer than an iPhone, it simply depends on usage. I'm pretty sure the way Android handles multitasking compared to iOS and push notifications play a role, too.
Regardless, my Nook Color can idle for a couple of weeks with a custom Froyo ROM and kernel. My Droid Charge has lasted me over a day with moderate usage, easily. With heavy use, I get 12-16 hours pretty easily. If I turn off data completely and only use my phone for texting and voice calls, the phone lasts two days, no problem.
Usage is key, and is often misunderstood and judged improperly/subjectively.
But at the end of the day. My droid charge is out of battery and my girls iphone is at 70 percent. I remember reading somewhere that apple has special patented battery technology too. Android needs some special battery technology. I will gladly pay more for a better product.
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Actually, it's not. My wife has an iPhone and the battery lasts FOREVER in that damn thing. It irritates the hell out of me.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE my gummy charge and would never buy an iPhone but her battery life is WAY WAY better than any Droid phone. Sure, you can't replace the battery but hers never fails to make it through a day of HEAVY use anyway so she doesn't care.......
~John
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It's because the iPhone doesn't have that obnoxious hog we call the LTE radio. If you set your phone to CDMA(it disables 4g) you can effectively double your battery life. I disable mine if I'm going somewhere and I know I won't be back in 10+ hours. Or if I'm going somewhere that doesn't have 4g, the battery life with 3g only is CRAZY.
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But at the end of the day. My droid charge is out of battery and my girls iphone is at 70 percent. I remember reading somewhere that apple has special patented battery technology too. Android needs some special battery technology. I will gladly pay more for a better product.
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You fail to describe how you and your "girl" use the phone. My money says that you use your phone more heavily than she does. As another poster mentioned, how you use the phone and what apps you are running make a big difference. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the results were quite a bit different if ya'll switched phones for a day, but continued using them the way you would normally use your phones.
You can't compare your gfs iphone to your Charge if you're using the LTE modem. Completely different animals. Once iphones have lte, then you can compare away.
Besides I get incredible battery life from my Charge. I can easily last 20 hrs.
Back to topic however, yes I too have problems with connectivity regardless of Roms or modems I've flashed. If I had to guess, I would say its a network issue with LTE phones... anybody know if the Revolution has similar problems? I believe the TBolt does as someone mentioned earlier, but nobody seems to talk about the Revolution.
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Well just to update, I had a pretty serious situation that was caused by this issue. Verizon is unable to provide a firm timeline for an update and won't even confirm that any forthcoming updates will resolve the issue (which they have not yet officially recognized).
That said, the situation I encountered was significant enough that they are issuing a credit toward my bill and the GM of my local corporate store is working on having my phones replaced.
As much as I absolutely love this phone (as one user said in another thread, SAMOLED+ is like the heroin of phone displays), having a phone that is unreliable in important or emergency situations is just absolutely not acceptable to me.
If they do allow me to change phones, I will do my best to move to another 4G phone (not the tbolt obviously) and I will report back on whether or not it appears to be a network issue.
You will find most of your problems will follow you from one 4g phone to another. There are already a few grumblings in the bionic forums radio staying locked on and battery and that is a huge battery
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I don't think it's necessarily a DC problem. Here lately my fascinate has been getting 1x locks and my DC has been doing that too. Maybe it's a network issue?
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