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OPINION PIECE / by quicksite
Tech Blogs: Slow Down, Get Your Acts Together, Focus on Reporting, You Can't Even Remember Your Own Stories from 7 Months Ago
Read Write Web is one of my favorite tech blogs. To me it has some of the finest writing and reporting around.
They are unlike my favorite battering targets: engadget, gizmodo and the like -- the advertising-driven slimeballs who have stakouts all over the world ready to beat someone else by half a day to breathlessly report on the latest new gadget "Seen in the wild"..
"Whaddaya got, whaddaya got, whaddaya got? You got any phones here, whaddya got fa' me?"
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You can see them frantically poking the back alleys and drunk people in case they have a secret demo phone on them. SCORE 1 for the new iphone! Score 2 for going to JAIL!
Fine. They do a decent job overall, to me, generally, they are just like Hollywood tabloid journals, just instead of it being focused on Kristen Stewart the actress from TWILIGHT, it's the latest sexy phone from HTC. Same thing. Ohhh, let's undress it.... WE WERE FIRST!
Read Write Web is NOT in that category -- they do real tech industry reporting.
So, imagine my shock seeing this story today:
Google to Discontinue Nexus One
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_to_discontinue_nexus_one.php
The CONTENT itself is not shocking at all. The distribution method Google stuck with so stubbornly, despite being told repeatedly they needed to do things like offer phone support, have working demo models of the N1 at the Carrier Stores that sell plans linked to that phone (like T-Mobile USA) -- was seriosuly flawed, thus NO SHOCK. Makes perfect sense. The shock is: That someone would be shocked that the Nexus One did not sell through the roof.
That's what this Post is about.
I actually saw it through my twitter stream, with this shorter note from @rww
How did the Nexus One came #2 on our poll for Best of the Web 2010, yet Google couldn't sell it? Explain, people! http://bit.ly/9oQysT
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I decided to answer him, in my typical way-too-wordy way --- and by adding this preface here at XDA, it's even wordier. How bout that.
My answer is in the next post, which I posted to the twitter-companion "twitlonger.com" -- as though made in heaven for me.
NOTE: After I got my HTC Desire, I started using twitter for first time, and used the name XDAdesire. Another XDA-er in the DESIRE forum here has helped me try to post some relevant stuff about the Desire... but it's spotty, some days stuff, some days, nothing. http://twitter.com/XDAdesire
This response located at: http://tl.gd/2k1l1a
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My response to RWW's STORY: http://bit.ly/9oQysT
Explain! **ARE YOU SERIOUS? No theories even necessary.
The only problem here, I think, is SHORT MEMORIES -- i.e., people (you, unfortunately, and I say unfortunately because I am astounded...
The quality of writing and analysis at RWW is generally second to none... thus I am shocked at how there is such a disconnect here with something so unmysterious and so measurable) cannot even remember events and circumstance a mere 7 months ago in twitter culture where assembly line constancy of data-pushing is all that seems to count.
Remembering? Context? Connecting dots from probably stories RWW themselves published back in Jan 2010? I guess that's off the plate now.
** I will bet $1000 that RWW has a story on the answer to this elementary question** The arrogance of Google's refusal to supply PHONE SUPPORT TO CONSUMERS... which directly translates to a reluctance to put money into something that won't be supported by live human beings.
#2... even worse. Did you know -- or can you not remember -- TO THIS DAY, a customers cannot SEE OR FEEL OR TRY a nexus one in his or her hand before shelling out $550 for phone. And you're surprised at lackluster sales?
Do you remember WHY customers can't do this -- and how ABSURD the reason is for this?
Here let me help you:
Google went exclusive with T-Mobile USA, the carrier who launched Android and the G1. I was about the import the Hero from UK since T-Mobile USA wouldn't carry it (dumb), when all of sudden in January is the announcement they will carry the Nexus One on its network.
I raced over to my T-Mobile store to see it. Here's what they told me:
"We don't have any"
I said: "Oh yeah, I guess it's too soon. When are you getting them in?"
"That's just it. We WON'T be getting them in. They will only be sold online by Google. And we are just the network."
Me: "Right, I understand that. I didn't mean the phone to BUY from you, I knew about buying it online. I meant the store demo phones to just feel how it feels. I'm especially interested in how the soft keys work, vs the Hero's hard keys"
Tmo: "No, we mean the stores won't be getting any to Demo"
Me: "You gotta be kidding me?"
Tmo: "No.. We think it's stupid too, but (sarcastic) 'whaddawe know? we're just the sales guys'. We've been checking with corporate all day long. People have been flooding in here asking the same question wanting to see the phone. They say we won't be getting any."
Me: "Of all the stupidest things in the world. I'd love to find out whose decision that was. Google's or Tmobile's, but as dumb as Tmobile can be, they DO know how to sell phones, so I am going to guess Google. They probably figured, know-it-all-engineers that they are "why should we spend money to ship a perfectly good phone to 1000 T-mobile retail stores across USA when we can sell those phones online?"
COmpletely missing the point that unlike people who do 100% of their shopping online based on 5-star reviews and collaborative filtering, people who get out into the sunshine actually like to touch merchandise that costs $500, and feel how it functions in their hands, especially a phone/PDA/ touchscreen which has all sorts of ergonomic peculiarities specific to different people.
So --- STRIKE #1 -- Wow, I wonder why they didn't sell so many phones despite their being TOP-RATED, can anyone figure this out? Yes. Had they put these phones in T-Mobile stores, they would theoretically COULD have outsold the iphone4 -- but that's a theorectical. In reality no, since they do not understand human beings like Apple does, and thus do not understand human marketing.
STRIKE #2 --- no PHONE SUPPORT, tied directly to HUBRIS (see also Steve Jobs, or "We Know Best" under wikipedia)
I live in San Francisco is neighborhood filled with tech workers, many of whom work for Google. Every day they gather at one of the neighborhood's cafe's and during the mornings, at several intervals, a huge bus arrives, the kind you travel in luxury through Europe on, tinted windows everywhere, climate controlled, wifi. Earbuds come out of laptops as bus approaches and get replugged into N1 phones as they file onto the bus for the 30 minute drive to Mountain View. There are people from the Google Maps team, Google Earth team, Android Team, and even, i discovered one day, someone from Google corporate PR. Generally very nice people when you stop and talk.
In this same neighborhood there are other tech folks like Craig of that list. And so you never know who you might talk to if they have their earplugs out.
WHY ARROGANCE? ANDROID WAS KING OF THE WORLD, or starting to be...
OCTOBER 2009 - The amazing DROID teaser campaign from Motorola and Verizon!
NOV-DEC 2009 - Huge sales of the Droid made Christmas 2009 an amazing success story for Android, Motorola, and Verizon
and those VERIZON 3G ADS were the first sign of the changing world where the teflon coated iPhone, champion this, champion that, was suddenly assaulted, along with its carrier, out of nowhere, for the first time ever putting them on the defensive.
MOTOROLA PUT ITSELF BACK ON THE MAP. so did verizon, who was a late starter in the touchscreen game.
JANUARY 2010 -- No sooner had Christmas closed out... then fresh off the heels of that huge Android success, Google enters the fray strategically following up with ITS OWN smart phone -- having let the droid have its own stage for holidays. Suddenly, weeks after DROID was hailed "the best Android phone yet", it was already being dethroned by what many NOW considered the best yet. NEXUS ONE, Android done right, with best HTC hardware, great processor.
WEEK 1 of this story: GOOGLE WAS PRAISED TO HIGH HEAVEN!
WEEK 2 of this story:
WEAVING BACK THE T-MOBILE STORY:
a Dramatic Turnaround: problems with connectivity, problems with T-mobile customers feeling ripped off at pricing model, "how to use the phone" problems. T-mobile's lines FLOODED, but they kept having to tell customers "we don't know anything about this phone, we cannot service and aupport it, you have to contact Google"... And thus the rapid runaround began. People calling HTC, and refrerred back to Tmobile etc.
The Press in THIS case (NOT NOW, which is my point ---- how can you miss this?) was ON IT: Google, what's up, where is your phone support? ... And the glitter was off. Week 2 stories were about how Google was flubbing this debut, and proving they were a search company who knew nothing about selling electronics.
But google was so arrogant. When asked, they said "sorry, NO phone support." Press said surely you are joking. People wanted phone support and the industry was aghast -- WHAT? no phone support? T-mobile is taking a bath in public anger, and HTC is getting hit up, but what does Google do? Just like JOBS, they say, we will NOT offer phone support.
Industry .. and especially me... (eyes buggin' out) WHAT ??
Google: That's right, you heard us. We will not.
Industry: But all you've given people are byzantine FAQs and web help and email like all the gmail help etc which just angers customers. You can't treat cell phone customers this way. They expect to get someone on the phone. That's the way it works.
Google: Too bad. That's the way it USED to work. We're doing something new here. And you got to break some eggs here to make a souffle. We thnk there are other ways to sell phones, other models. We know we can solve this by being smarter...
--- I DID run into this PR guy from Google's corporate office, in my neigborhood one evening, and i asked him, incredulously, was this true? Were they just going to stonewall this and keep to their plan despite public outcry they are not happy?
(He was really very nice -- and actually one of the few marketing guys at Google. And he reminded me: Google, as you know, is an engineering company, the senior mgmt are all engineers, engineers make all these decisions, they do not think in consumer terms. I accept that and love the company and we do most things really well, but some things are blind spots, and I'll leave it to you to decide in this case)
Me: So they are NOT going to open a phone call center immediately?
Him: I can guarantee you, 100%, that will never happen. They, being engineering minded, will only double down their efforts to make the web-based support solve the problems...
Me: I don't believe this. They are seriously believing their webpage FAQ methodology is "sufficient"? And with smarter keyword detection and algorithms for routing customer entries down more pre-written FAQ's, they will solve user issues in fast responsive ways that make customers happy?
Him: Yes. Well, solve their problems, yes. Make them happy, i'm not so sure.
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So THAT's the story -- the PUBLIC REJECTED THIS MODEL.
That's the reason for lackluster sales.
But no, not one tech journal has put 2 and 2 together? My god. You all have regurgitated their press releases as "disappointing sales"....
Before writing your blog entry, did you stop to think: Hmm, what are the factors involved in their SALES CHANNEL that could impact the sales volume?
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Hey ladies an gents... I going to sell my treo 750 from cingular. it is unlocked and works with any sim card. I have tested it with a t-mobile and nextel sim card. I have the original box and all cables and included software, plam leather holster and palm care charger. It still has WM5 on it and I unlocked the phone using a remote unlock from GSMLIBERTY.com and not witht he hard SPL. I have never tried any cooked roms, or extended firmware. This phone is as it was when I purchased the device last june. Selling price is 175 o.b.o. and if you life in the warner robins geaorgia area, i'll even bring it to you.... Will take photos if required
Drop me a post if interested.
I'm doing this because i am buying an iPhone
jhowle said:
Hey ladies an gents... I going to sell my treo 750 from cingular. it is unlocked and works with any sim card. I have tested it with a t-mobile and nextel sim card. I have the original box and all cables and included software, plam leather holster and palm care charger. It still has WM5 on it and I unlocked the phone using a remote unlock from GSMLIBERTY.com and not witht he hard SPL. I have never tried any cooked roms, or extended firmware. This phone is as it was when I purchased the device last june. Selling price is 250 o.b.o. and if you life in the warner robins geaorgia area, i'll even bring it to you.... Will take photos if required
Drop me a post if interested.
I'm doing this because i am buying an iPhone
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My bid is 50. Any takers?
No offense, but what Treo have you loaded the WM6 OS on? I have seen more than one thread where you have upgraded it. Did you have two? If so, why are you selling just one for the iPhone?
Also, you can't really be serious about the iPhone. Have you even looked at the Tilt?? I was in your boat, with the Treo 750, wanting something more. I bought the Tilt and never looked back.
it is possible thati have more than one,,, i wasn't gonna screw around with my everyday user..lol this is the one i never messed with... besides, palm has no new phone planned for AT&T and im kinda tired of it.... once i get the iphone i won't have to goto numerous sites everyday hoping for some hot news about an update that isn't coming. lets face it, palms tech support sux and when you use the internet client to talk to them they use pre-typed statements that aare selected from topics. they click on it and it apears in the chat window... I shouldn't have to rely on some bogus software to make the phone do every other treo 750 now does. picking up my shiney new iphone thursday
jhowle said:
it is possible thati have more than one,,, i wasn't gonna screw around with my everyday user..lol this is the one i never messed with... besides, palm has no new phone planned for AT&T and im kinda tired of it.... once i get the iphone i won't have to goto numerous sites everyday hoping for some hot news about an update that isn't coming. lets face it, palms tech support sux and when you use the internet client to talk to them they use pre-typed statements that aare selected from topics. they click on it and it apears in the chat window... I shouldn't have to rely on some bogus software to make the phone do every other treo 750 now does. picking up my shiney new iphone thursday
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It "is" possible, but "very" unlikely. Especially after I found this old post of yours.........
From this point on he led into reasons why i should be using it with out it being released and such which is to be expected. He also stated that doing to much to the phone can possibly make the phone upgradable when the real WM6 update is released. This he mentioned were changing the boot loader, IPL and SPL software in the phone, that and using bogus releases of software. The reason being he said was that the soon to be released update probes the phone deeply because everything has been updated including the boot loader stuff.
Now i cant confirm or deny any truth to these statements but the only thing i had done with mine was a try a few new firmwares but after my conversation with them i quickly reverted back to WM5.
here is a link to get it if anyone is interested in doing the same. Download either or, they are the same. included is the cheeimg.nbh and the cheediag.nbh. the cheediag.nbh wont complete is you have othere that cingular WM5 on ur cingular treo 750.
http://rapidshare.com/files/17874512...ngular_ROM.zip
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http://rs61l32.rapidshare.com/files/...ngular_ROM.zip[/B][/I][/U]
Call me crazy, but I looked at "all" of your posts on 2 different forums (just a quick search), and not 1 mention of "phones" or "one of my phones". Get the iPhone, I'm sure you will be happier. Then try reading more and posting less. And good luck selling that Treo.
Of course this is just my opinion, I could be wrong. I'm not sure, but I think it's happened to me once before...................
Woohoo!!! No more inane posts by jhowle. Could it really be true.
I tried to call him out without actually accusing him, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to tell he's lying. If anyone is actually considering buying his phone, think twice. It's been through a few reflashes for sure... If he can't be honest about that, what else could he be lying about?
alright,, i'm pissed Flapjack... What are we roomates now, or are you just stalking me,, You have no ****ing clue how many phones i have.. you can read between the lines all god damn day but still the truth remains. i have 2 750's, i have 2 phone numbers. One of them is the one i got with my contact and it untouched, the other I GOT OFF ****ING EBAY. it has my second number, and yes i have screwed around with the second one. it isn't the one i am selling so piss off.
I tried to be diplomatic before but i am getting personally attacked and really, i haven't even gotten any real help on here, even reading other posts. From what i see this is nothing but a place to slam people, and give them a hard time because it easy. I really have no business being here and i have contacted the webmaster on here so **** ya'll.. i have never ever had to deal with people like you ************s. Go **** yourself!!!!!!
An Internet tantrum. Awesome!
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alright,, Flapjackoff... What are we roomates now, or are you just stalking me,, You have no ****ing clue how many phones i have.. you can read between the lines all god damn day but still the truth remains. i have 2 750's, i have 2 phone numbers. One of them is the one i got with my contact and it untouched, the other I GOT OFF ****ING EBAY. it has my second number, and yes i have screwed around with the second one. it isn't the one i am selling so piss off.
I tried to be diplomatic before but i am getting personally attacked and really, i haven't even gotten any real help on here, even reading other posts. From what i see this is nothing but a place to slam people, and give them a hard time because it easy. I really have no business being here and i have contacted the webmaster on here so **** ya'll.. i have never ever had to deal with people like you ************s. Go **** yourself!!!!!!
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Woohoo!!! No more inane posts by jhowle. Could it really be true.
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i don't suppose this is any more inane or meaningful
When you filed the complaint with the "webmaster", did you also mention your foul-mouthed tirade?
So you say you're a 12-year Air Force member? Apparently you don't understand what your duties as an Air Force member are.
...oh, and by the way, you are talking to an Air Force officer. You have a commitment to excellence that doesn't change whether you're on or off-duty. You might want to consider the things you say online, as they could affect your career. I personally could care less. But you never know when some Colonel looking for a replacement for his Blackberry might be a member of a message board you frequent. You may think you're some anonymous entity online, but I GUARANTEE you it would not be very hard for someone with the "know-how" to figure out who you are and file a complaint.
Think you can't get in trouble for the things you say/do online? Read this:
http://www.afrc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123056023
jhowle said:
alright,, Flapjackoff... What are we roomates now, or are you just stalking me,, You have no ****ing clue how many phones i have.. you can read between the lines all god damn day but still the truth remains. i have 2 750's, i have 2 phone numbers. One of them is the one i got with my contact and it untouched, the other I GOT OFF ****ING EBAY. it has my second number, and yes i have screwed around with the second one. it isn't the one i am selling so piss off.
I tried to be diplomatic before but i am getting personally attacked and really, i haven't even gotten any real help on here, even reading other posts. From what i see this is nothing but a place to slam people, and give them a hard time because it easy. I really have no business being here and i have contacted the webmaster on here so **** ya'll.. i have never ever had to deal with people like you ************s. Go **** yourself!!!!!!
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...oh, and after reading your posts here and on other forums, I can say with pretty much 100% accuracy that if you had two phones, you would've mentioned it. You've pretty much detailed every non-phone aspect of your life through your posts. Being as though your chatting on a "phone" forum, I can't believe you wouldn't talk about having an extra phone to experiment with....
And in regards to internet arguing:
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yeah i did,, and i even appologized for it... i didn't complain about the users.. i asked to be removed completely. I'm not staying on here anymore any getting bashed by people who don't even know me... and people i have no desire to get to know. Noone gave me a chance so so why should I.
have a nice day
jhowle said:
yeah i did,, and i even appologized for it... i didn't complain about the users.. i asked to be removed completely. I'm not staying on here anymore any getting bashed by people who don't even know me... and people i have no desire to get to know. Noone gave me a chance so so why should I.
have a nice day
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It sounds to me like you are taking things a bit too personally. When you came on an internet message board expecting people to be civil is where you went wrong. Personally, I wouldn't go somewhere I could get flamed for a comment without being able to tolerate getting flamed for a comment.
Couple that with the fact that you have NEVER mentioned having a second phone to play with and you have the perfect recipe for an INTERNET ARGUMENT.
As far as your inflammatory post where you reduced yourself to cursing, swearing, name calling, and other "unprofessional" acts, you took the conversation to a stage no one else here was at. So if you want to leave... leave. But no one here is asking you to go.
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It sounds to me like you are taking things a bit too personally. When you came on an internet message board expecting people to be civil is where you went wrong. Personally, I wouldn't go somewhere I could get flamed for a comment without being able to tolerate getting flamed for a comment.
Couple that with the fact that you have NEVER mentioned having a second phone to play with and you have the perfect recipe for an INTERNET ARGUMENT.
As far as your inflammatory post where you reduced yourself to cursing, swearing, name calling, and other "unprofessional" acts, you took the conversation to a stage no one else here was at. So if you want to leave... leave. But no one here is asking you to go.
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I second the motion
well, this has been a roller coaster ride but i am happy to announce i purchased a blackberry curve today. So long gang, i won't be back frolic in the thorn bush. This place convinced me as well as palm tech support that these things aren't for me, and HURRAY, NO MORE INANE POSTS FROM ME.
Peace.
A Curve? What happened to the Iphone? Oh man you're a mess of contradiction aintcha.
So long old friend. See ya when you go HTC again..and you will. Besides, you like it here and you know it.
jhowle said:
well, this has been a roller coaster ride but i am happy to announce i purchased a blackberry curve today. So long gang, i won't be back frolic in the thorn bush. This place convinced me as well as palm tech support that these things aren't for me, and HURRAY, NO MORE INANE POSTS FROM ME.
Peace.
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A Curve? What happened to the Iphone? Oh man you're a mess of contradiction aintcha.
So long old friend. See ya when you go HTC again..and you will. Besides, you like it here and you know it.
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I have to agree. Now that I've gone PPC, I can never go back to the BB format. I don't know why everyone preaches about how good their "push" email is. It is just a fancy form of forwarding, and is many times more load intensive than Exchange Direct Push.
I run my own server, so I saw first-hand how the server being a BES trashed the server and the network. Not to mention, it's a whole 'nother program you have to install. EDP is already configured as part of Exchange. All you have to do is forward port 443 to the Exchange server, and BAM, it works. Not to mention, it's true synchronization.
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So long old friend. See ya when you go HTC again..and you will. Besides, you like it here and you know it.
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...didn't he already come back twice after promising he will never be seen here again?
Y.
My Treo can beat up your Treo.
We need to start an "S3 Unlock " campaign on Verizon's and Samsung's facebook and email to make our dissatisfaction more visible. Will this have any impact, I don't know, but it's something easily done with almost no effort that the general consumer and non-development community will easily see.
This has worked in the past with the HTC EVO 3D. If the community can get HTC, a million dollar company to notice, maybe it will work with a billion dollar company.
Why should we send to Samsung when it's Verizon that locked the bootloader? The reason for it is more then likely Verizon will try to pawn it off on Samsung; by saying they locked it or they have to build the unlock tool. So, before this becomes a “blame game” We don't care who is responsible, we just want “Developmental Equality” for all S3's
So as Bob Marley said: “Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!” and take 3 minutes out of your day to help out the community.
What needs to be done:
Post "S3 Unlock or WE Walk" on Verizon's and Samsung's facebook. This would have a greater impact if it were posted everyday! “Don't let them forget about us!”
Email:
Under subject put: “S3 Unlock Bootloader” and in the body put “S3 Unlock ”
Samsung Contact:
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA
Y.K. Kim
president and Chief Executive Officer of Samsung Electronics America
[email protected]
Dale Sohn
President at Samsung Telecommunications America
[email protected]
https://contactus.samsung.com/custo...estionGeneral.jsp?SITE_ID=591&PROD_ID=G303850
Verizon Contact:
https://www.facebook.com/verizon
Daniel S. Mead
President and CEO
[email protected]
Marni Walden
Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer
[email protected]
I understand what you want to do but alot of this is already being done by alot if angry customers. Verizon doesnt seem to care. All they did was blame Samsung.
Doesn't it make more sense that hitting them with a mass amount of posts and emails would do more than maybe 20 emails a day. It would get more attention if even just 1% of Verizon's customers were to flood them with posts and emails..this would be in the numbers up to 250,000 emails and facebook posts. They could still ignore it, but this would create more negative publicity. This is also why I am asking everyone to flood Samsung as well, eventually hopefully one of them will correct the issue. In time and numbers they will get tired of it and deal with us. Have you sent an email to Verizon or posted on their facebook?
Verizon might not admit that they are wrong, but any company is highly concerned about their public image. Facebook and Twitter can be a valuable tool to fight corporate arrogance.
One more thing to do... everyone should write a review on Verizon's web site slamming the locked bootloader, with a suggestion that this is a great phone on any provider but Verizon. I just clicked on the "Read reviews" link for the 32GB blue S3, and 4 out of the first ten reviews mentioned the locked bootloader.
We might never get them to unlock this particular bootloader, but at a minimum it would make them think twice about the future of locked bootloaders.
Verizon is betting on our apathy, so I applaud anyone who is willing to spend a bit of time keeping the heat on Verizon.
If you're serious about trying to piss them off, create an Anti Samsung Facebook page and / or Twitter Account basically blasting them for ****ty things they do, such as slow updates to products, locked bootloader, etc.
I once complained on Twitter about my GT 10.1 and didn't even direct it to them and I had their twitter person contact me and ask me if there was something they could do to help me.
They don't like knowing people are badmouthing them on social networks.
As for Verizon, they're used to people talking smack on them and don't seem the slightest bit phased.
If you're not part of the solution...you're part of the problem
I mean I guess anything's worth a try...but I don't think Verizon cares.
topmetsfan said:
I mean I guess anything's worth a try...but I don't think Verizon cares.
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They seem to hate me. Emailed the CEO about the bootloader, got the standard letter in the mail about "network security" from some high chair rep. His problem is he said "feel free to call with questions" in the letter, as well as his number. I have called him 5 times in the past 2 weeks, always leaving a message. I have still yet to get a call back. I wont stop til I can voice my opinion and get some answers.
I've been tweeting and posting on their facebook pages that I am unhappy about the locked boot loader and spyware on the phone.
It of course won't do any good, but maybe if other non dev/hacker types see the posts they will inquire or think twice.
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I've been tweeting and posting on their facebook pages that I am unhappy about the locked boot loader and spyware on the phone.
It of course won't do any good, but maybe if other non dev/hacker types see the posts they will inquire or think twice.
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But other non dev/hacker types won't understand what a bootloader is and what the difference is between a locked and unlocked.
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Verizon might not admit that they are wrong, but any company is highly concerned about their public image. Facebook and Twitter can be a valuable tool to fight corporate arrogance.
One more thing to do... everyone should write a review on Verizon's web site slamming the locked bootloader, with a suggestion that this is a great phone on any provider but Verizon. I just clicked on the "Read reviews" link for the 32GB blue S3, and 4 out of the first ten reviews mentioned the locked bootloader.
We might never get them to unlock this particular bootloader, but at a minimum it would make them think twice about the future of locked bootloaders.
Verizon is betting on our apathy, so I applaud anyone who is willing to spend a bit of time keeping the heat on Verizon.
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Why they even try to lock them I don't even get. It just seems like a waste of their time and resources. Just look at the s3, it was basically cracked before release and we already can do just about anything we want on it. It makes them look bad and does nothing and it makes even less sense when they have unlocked phones on their network. Bunch of dummies if you ask me
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They seem to hate me. Emailed the CEO about the bootloader, got the standard letter in the mail about "network security" from some high chair rep. His problem is he said "feel free to call with questions" in the letter, as well as his number. I have called him 5 times in the past 2 weeks, always leaving a message. I have still yet to get a call back. I wont stop til I can voice my opinion and get some answers.
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When you do, If you do, point out they sell unlocked phones on their network and that virtually every phone they sell has been hacked and its just a waste of their time.
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Why they even try to lock them I don't even get. It just seems like a waste of their time and resources. Just look at the s3, it was basically cracked before release and we already can do just about anything we want on it. It makes them look bad and does nothing and it makes even less sense when they have unlocked phones on their network. Bunch of dummies if you ask me
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If my x2 bootloader wasn't locked down like it is, ii wouldn't have purchased a new phone. Hardware is staying viable for a longer time than they would like, but, by locking down the software used they can obsolete your device long before the hardware is obsolete. Those who are savvy enough to hack it and put what they want on it also upgrade quick to the newest hardware for the wow factor and vzw knows this. Locking the device down prevents people like me from upgrading software easily, thus forcing a hardware upgrade- to achieve my desire for a software upgrade.
It's quite simple really. Phone sales. If any Joe-Schmoe could upgrade their droidx2 to jellybean, they wouldn't see that phone sale. No phone sale = no new 2 year contract.
They don't market the hardware specs at all like they market the OS.
It must be worth it to them to lock it down and hope to see a device sold. Henry Ford said he'd give the cars away for free if he can be the only one to sell the parts. Vzw has aligned themselves closely with this mentality.
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If my x2 bootloader wasn't locked down like it is, ii wouldn't have purchased a new phone. Hardware is staying viable for a longer time than they would like, but, by locking down the software used they can obsolete your device long before the hardware is obsolete. Those who are savvy enough to hack it and put what they want on it also upgrade quick to the newest hardware for the wow factor and vzw knows this. Locking the device down prevents people like me from upgrading software easily, thus forcing a hardware upgrade- to achieve my desire for a software upgrade.
It's quite simple really. Phone sales. If any Joe-Schmoe could upgrade their droidx2 to jellybean, they wouldn't see that phone sale. No phone sale = no new 2 year contract.
They don't market the hardware specs at all like they market the OS.
It must be worth it to them to lock it down and hope to see a device sold. Henry Ford said he'd give the cars away for free if he can be the only one to sell the parts. Vzw has aligned themselves closely with this mentality.
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This ^^^^^
I have the Verizon Samsung Fascinate that is running Jelly Bean better than some phones out now and this phone only has 384 mb of RAM and has been out for 2 years. Through the efforts of some of the best Devs out there, this phone has lived well longer than it should have (seeing as Samsung/Verizon only supported it up to GB). I've gotten the best battery life at almost 2 days of moderate usage, it's snappy, and still is getting support from the community, because of this I've seen no reason to upgrade other than to have the latest and greatest. A locked boot loader in their mind would prevent this. Keeping hardware, that could last well longer than 2 years, from keeping up with the latest software updates. But with the hard work of the Devs and the community, even with locked bootloaders we can still keep up with the latest (ex. Kexec for VZW GS3). I hope for an unlocked bootloader, but with the great Devs out there I'm not to worried. Waiting for my locked S3 to come in the mail and plan on rooting and customizing it how I want with kexec even with a locked bootloader. I do wish those who have messaged Verizon and Samsung the best of luck. But I won't be holding my breath for them, I'll be holding it for the great Devs and the great community.
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I have a fascinate as well from a while back when my wife had it. I've been strongly considering returning my s3 after I mod the fascinate like you have (since I've never done it before...) and rock it until something worthwhile comes out
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I'm really hoping you guys get your bootloader unlocked but speaking from experience I don't think it will work. As you can see in my sig I have owned a lot of Moto/VZW phones and people were spamming FB and twitter and starting petitions and it never did anything. But I wish you luck that you can get somewhere with sammy because god knows VZW doesn't give a sh!t about there customers.
The international version of the XT910 gets ICS today, reports GSMArena.com
I almost forgot my experiences from the Cliq and Cliq 2, but when Motorola says an update is ready at quarter whatever, they NEVER EVER mean at the beginning of the quarter.
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The international version of the XT910 gets ICS today, reports GSMArena.com
I almost forgot my experiences from the Cliq and Cliq 2, but when Motorola says an update is ready at quarter whatever, they NEVER EVER mean at the beginning of the quarter.
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It's Motorola. They say, "unlocked bootloaders soon," they mean "shut up about unlocked bootloaders." They say, "update in Qx," they mean "update in late Qx or the next quarter after that."
Basically, Google needs to shove its hand up Motorola's butt and turn it into a puppet for it to be respectable in any update or development-related areas.
This things of searching for updates every 4 hours is driving me crazy, i want ICS Now Motorola, did you hear that? You locked us down with the bootloader, at least give us updates more frequently, is that so hard ? Just ask to the developers to work more and stop fooling around in the office.
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This things of searching for updates every 4 hours is driving me crazy, i want ICS Now Motorola, did you hear that? You locked us down with the bootloader, at least give us updates more frequently, is that so hard ? Just ask to the developers to work more and stop fooling around in the office.
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The soak hasn't even started yet. Then there'll be further ironing out of the bugs. We're looking at a month here. Save your time and find something useful to do.
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The soak hasn't even started yet. Then there'll be further ironing out of the bugs. We're looking at a month here. Save your time and find something useful to do.
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The soak hasn't even started yet. Then there'll be further ironing out of the bugs. We're looking at a month here. Save your time and find something useful to do.
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Yeah, that's my estimation too. Probably Q4 - End of September / beginning of October.
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The soak hasn't even started yet. Then there'll be further ironing out of the bugs. We're looking at a month here. Save your time and find something useful to do.
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I work 10h per day, 5 days per week, i'm not fooling around with the phone all the ****ing time, i just ask what a phone like this diserves, claimin something that the company promised between July-September, thats all.
Screw the soak and OTA...bet it wont beat what I got on it now! I wait for no manufacturer or carrier...they can eat it.
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The international version of the XT910 gets ICS today, reports GSMArena.com
I almost forgot my experiences from the Cliq and Cliq 2, but when Motorola says an update is ready at quarter whatever, they NEVER EVER mean at the beginning of the quarter.
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I work 10h per day, 5 days per week, i'm not fooling around with the phone all the ****ing time, i just ask what a phone like this diserves, claimin something that the company promised between July-September, thats all.
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Hate to break it to you but September 2012 ain't over yet!
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I work 10h per day, 5 days per week, i'm not fooling around with the phone all the ****ing time, i just ask what a phone like this diserves, claimin something that the company promised between July-September, thats all.
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You need to be patient!
Too many people on here are all bent out of shape that they don't have the "official" ICS yet. Heck be glad you will get it at all, whenever it does come, because a whole lot of phones are not getting it at all.
Checking for an update so often is just a waste of time, until we start to hear that others are seeing at least the SOAK, and guess what, that still has not been released to those on the SOAK list.
Again just be patient, it will get here, when it get's here.
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You need to be patient!
Too many people on here are all bent out of shape that they don't have the "official" ICS yet. Heck be glad you will get it at all, whenever it does come, because a whole lot of phones are not getting it at all.
Checking for an update so often is just a waste of time, until we start to hear that others are seeing at least the SOAK, and guess what, that still has not been released to those on the SOAK list.
Again just be patient, it will get here, when it get's here.
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There's a big problem with that Jim. I don't know of many instances where it would be acceptable for a company to issue a date for the availability of a product or service, and then push back that deadline multiple times. My clients would ditch me and go with the competition if I ran my business like that.
Which brings me to the part where we should all just be thankful to get ICS at all, because so many other phones will not. Well Jim, I bought a really expensive phone with above average hardware. I would except nothing less than getting ICS in a timely manner. With so much competition around - HTC and your own Samsung - Motorola should be very interested in keeping me happy and loyal, and making sure that my expensive devices are up-to-date and competitive.
That, Jim, is what I should be able to expect from Motorola as a customer. People in the category of 'glad you will get it at all, whenever it does come, because a whole lot of phones are not getting it at all.' - Those are iPhone owners who know they buy a product with restrictions in order to own a 'life style product'.
I will not accept to be treated like this by Motorola, with empty promises of unlocked bootloaders, and repeatedly pushed back deadlines for software releases. That is not good customer care, and Motorola won't be the brand of my next cell phone. And by the looks of it, Jim, you didn't like your Atrix 2 enough to not get a SGS 3 as well.
If I had a SGS 3 I wouldn't really worry about the ICS release for Atrix 2 so much either...
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There's a big problem with that Jim. I don't know of many instances where it would be acceptable for a company to issue a date for the availability of a product or service, and then push back that deadline multiple times. My clients would ditch me and go with the competition if I ran my business like that.
Which brings me to the part where we should all just be thankful to get ICS at all, because so many other phones will not. Well Jim, I bought a really expensive phone with above average hardware. I would except nothing less than getting ICS in a timely manner. With so much competition around - HTC and your own Samsung - Motorola should be very interested in keeping me happy and loyal, and making sure that my expensive devices are up-to-date and competitive.
That, Jim, is what I should be able to expect from Motorola as a customer. People in the category of 'glad you will get it at all, whenever it does come, because a whole lot of phones are not getting it at all.' - Those are iPhone owners who know they buy a product with restrictions in order to own a 'life style product'.
I will not accept to be treated like this by Motorola, with empty promises of unlocked bootloaders, and repeatedly pushed back deadlines for software releases. That is not good customer care, and Motorola won't be the brand of my next cell phone. And by the looks of it, Jim, you didn't like your Atrix 2 enough to not get a SGS 3 as well.
If I had a SGS 3 I wouldn't really worry about the ICS release for Atrix 2 so much either...
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Again, wait for it... wait for it...
You bought the ticket, you take the ride (HST) so therefore, don't go around expecting a mega corporation to listen to your squeaks. You may own a small business, or a semi-large scale one, but regardless, you are nothing more than a speck on the radar of Motorola, nor am I, nor is Jim or any other person here or beyond. That being said, don't expect that just because you had certain expectations that you held prior to, and during your purchase of the ATRIX 2 that you'd get to have your cake and eat it also. Clearly, it ain't so.
Furthermore, companies do this sort of thing all the freaking time, it isn't something new, nor is it unheard of. As they say in the transportation industries, "nothing's certain in the shipping business". Same goes for technology. Software isn't something that is like a shoe, which can be mass produced after testing on a robotic "foot" for a couple of weeks. It has to be fully tested by numerous factorizations both in user capacities and otherwise.
If you feel Motorola owes you a 'timely' delivery of ICS, write them a nice letter. I'm sure it will get opened and read around the time that your letter to Santa Claus arrives to the North Pole. Both are about as useless as the other.
Quit spamming the board with 'who got what when' with a follow-up pouty faced retort about why you have this enormous sense of entitlement to get the update as you see fit.
This ain't the place for that...
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There's a big problem with that Jim. I don't know of many instances where it would be acceptable for a company to issue a date for the availability of a product or service, and then push back that deadline multiple times. My clients would ditch me and go with the competition if I ran my business like that.
Which brings me to the part where we should all just be thankful to get ICS at all, because so many other phones will not. Well Jim, I bought a really expensive phone with above average hardware. I would except nothing less than getting ICS in a timely manner. With so much competition around - HTC and your own Samsung - Motorola should be very interested in keeping me happy and loyal, and making sure that my expensive devices are up-to-date and competitive.
That, Jim, is what I should be able to expect from Motorola as a customer. People in the category of 'glad you will get it at all, whenever it does come, because a whole lot of phones are not getting it at all.' - Those are iPhone owners who know they buy a product with restrictions in order to own a 'life style product'.
I will not accept to be treated like this by Motorola, with empty promises of unlocked bootloaders, and repeatedly pushed back deadlines for software releases. That is not good customer care, and Motorola won't be the brand of my next cell phone. And by the looks of it, Jim, you didn't like your Atrix 2 enough to not get a SGS 3 as well.
If I had a SGS 3 I wouldn't really worry about the ICS release for Atrix 2 so much either...
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Wow I don't even know where to start with how wrong your post is.
I think this is the best comparison.... Say you buy a computer and it comes with windows xp installed and you are told by the store you bought it at that windows 7 is supposed to be out in the 2nd quarter and it is April. Now since it is April are you going to go to that store and whine because Microsoft is "late", or call dell or HP. Guess what there was no promise that windows 7 or 8 is guaranteed to run on your "newish" PC...
I do own my own company and all I provide is services and no products.
If I am late on a project it is not even the same as a company that sells hardware, and gives you the software for... wait for it... free. Even then it is usually 1 upgrade in the smartphone market. Guess what we have had our one upgrade already. Moto owes you nothing. Besides you bought the phone not a copy of android from Motorola/Att. Microsoft NEVER gives you a free upgrade to the next version.
P.S. we are still in the third quarter, and moto is technically not "late" on their delivery, nor have they pushed it back even once, it will still be 3rd quarter, just late 3rd quarter.
Now, grow up and stop posting crap and new threads that have nothing to do with the atrix 2. Or jump in and help dev and get us some great stuff as myself and others have been doing for 10 months now.
Also the ONLY reason I got an sgs3 is because I am a cyanogenmod dev now, and I need a phone that can run official builds. I am still sticking with the atrix 2 and still doing dev work for it.
In other words put up or shut up. By doing what you are doing does not make ics come any faster and it just pisses this community off, because we are not the ones holding it back.
We all need to calm down a bit.. yes nobody is happy with Moto's poicies, the bootloader and all, but as far as ICS is concerned, they have promised us it in Q3 and we are still in middle of it, a whole 45 days to go. One thing that we need to understand is ICS is a big leap from Gingerbread. When ICS was out i thought we can see it on devices in few months, but the fact that CM9 stable is out now, tells us the story.
We made a choice, of choosing A2, instead of many other top dogs of that time. We love the hardware, the capabilities and everything else. Even now when i see the SGS II, the build quality i know i have made the right choice, yeah it aint comforting when i see those guys running plethora of ROMs though.
Bottom line is you made your choice stick to it and wait, wait until Moto gives you ICS.. or start a campaign, better for bootloader unlock though.. that way we dont have to wait this long for updates.
Edit: the most funny part of my post? My signpic
Ps: Apex, calm down a bit mate, you are not going well with these type of posts. Yeah i know most of them are ridiculous but ignoring will be a good idea. And Jim's reputation wont change wee bit with these kind of posts. You guys are rock stars and just keep rocking.
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Let me say first I am a Samsung fanboy. But we all who adopted the gear 2 should come together to sue Samsung for a faulty product. After scanning over many pages of issues we are having with the gear 2 around application installs which seem to be based on some roulette wheel of success of an app will install or not, battery issues, having to do numerous factory resets, and with an even bigger slap to the face, bringing out another watch yet again in about 3 months. We have been sold on crap that we can't even take back. Clearly there is a product or software issue where many people have the same phones, many with stock Roms even on same carriers having mismatched results on app installs. Also while using Samsung phones. I believe this is a shot in the gut to the overall care that Samsung has for its customers. Which doesn't look good as we get in this viscous cycle of new this of what we sold you just a few months ago even though what we originally sold you we still haven't been fixed. Spending 200 plus for a digital watch with some really nice features doesn't justify inconsistency of product or a faulty os. We need to send a message to Samsung that this is not acceptable. And the biggest thing that has even impacted me, I have bought several apps that will not successfully install and I am no able to get a refund for. And this has happened to many people. We surely would be all over apple or any other maker if these things where going on. Yes Samsung makes great products that we love to have, but this watch and trend is totally unacceptable!
I would add to this claims for false advertisement about available apps. Example: Runtastic, mentioned in all the press releases as launch partner, still doesn't have a Gear 2 compatible app.
Also, cleverly planted hints for non-Samsung device support, which pushed many people with unsupported devices to buy the watch. Does anyone really think now this will ever happen?
I have no faults worth suing over plus you cold always just return the product no one forced you to keep the device I kean it isnt even a year old .why people love to sue if a big company like apple is in court for years how far you think wed get wake up and stop complaining.
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I would add to this claims for false advertisement about available apps. Example: Runtastic, mentioned in all the press releases as launch partner, still doesn't have a Gear 2 compatible app.
Also, cleverly planted hints for non-Samsung device support, which pushed many people with unsupported devices to buy the watch. Does anyone really think now this will ever happen?
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Fleksy is currently vaporware as well.
I tweeted on it yesterday...
https://twitter.com/BigDanInTX/status/476529432971075585
While the Gear 2 line has been pretty popular, for what it is, it functions. It's the extra stuff that's the problem. Hardware is sound and the built-in software works (ymmv). Everything else is just gravy. I think the only way it would have traction if the hardware or built-in software had significant problems. The only thing I've installed is watchfaces, so to me, it's fine how it is. However, I do know that people are getting pretty fed up with not having access to the things everyone else does. I guess I'm just on the fence on it.
Well if everyone thought like you, nothing would ever get better and more people will get screwed over. If you are cool excepting just anything continue on till you personally get screwed. Don't worry I will be sympathetic to your situation. Next time I suggest you fully read before commenting. This comment was for diamantirecos.
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Well if everyone thought like you, nothing would ever get better and more people will get screwed over. If you are cool excepting just anything continue on till you personally get screwed. Don't worry I will be sympathetic to your situation. Next time I suggest you fully read before commenting. This comment was for diamantirecos.
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Yeah so I read again just to please you and I stand by my comment .if you have the time and money to try to sue a giant like samsung go ahead. Plus if its faulty just factory reset and sell on ebay simple. And like I said we are early users is a new device what do you expect. But at the end of the day all users are different some issues some not. Thats life and I really can care less. I have better advice for you go get leagal advice about if you even have a case .
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Umm yea many mayor net source articles also state that mostly everything doesnt really work. What a shame because the hardware is up to par but the software not so much.
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I would add to this claims for false advertisement about available apps. Example: Runtastic, mentioned in all the press releases as launch partner, still doesn't have a Gear 2 compatible app.
Also, cleverly planted hints for non-Samsung device support, which pushed many people with unsupported devices to buy the watch. Does anyone really think now this will ever happen?
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I hate to say this, but Runtastic Pro IS available for the Gear 2!
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@henklbr: you're in Austria, right? The problem is it's not available anywhere else... I'm sick and tired trying to reach out to Runtastic and get a clear answer when the heck it's going to be available for everyone else.
Edit: sorry, just noticed you're from Netherlands. So it's available there too. What the f... is going on with Runtastic? Why can't they release the freaking app worldwide?
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I'm perfectly happy with my watch, and thanks to these forums I knew exactly what I was getting before I bought it .
If I didn't like it, I would take it back.
I know these watches don't do half of what they will do in a year or two, but in the meantime at least I have a toy to play with. And thanks to XDA, it's a fun pastime for a nerd like me. And for $150 for the Neo, I really can't complain.
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I just came from the Galaxy gear, although i would like to file a suite for getting 2 defective galaxy gears with bad cameras and making me pay the diffrence for the new watch.
Coming from the original gear the only thing I don't like about the gear 2 is the weak vibration. The sound is louder when on a call, charging is much easier, you can change the bands although I can't find any locally or even in the US for that matter. I think Samsung should have given previous gear owners something 20 app store credit something to that effect.
I hear ya, I had the gear2 and switched to the Neo and like not having the camera liability.
It is a nice toy and does what I need for now, but I can't wait til the watch has its own sim. Would be nice not having to carry a phone around everywhere. I frequently answer calls and spritz thru my email while my phone sits in my briefcase.
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I just came from the Galaxy gear, although i would like to file a suite for getting 2 defective galaxy gears with bad cameras and making me pay the diffrence for the new watch.
Coming from the original gear the only thing I don't like about the gear 2 is the weak vibration. The sound is louder when on a call, charging is much easier, you can change the bands although I can't find any locally or even in the US for that matter. I think Samsung should have given previous gear owners something 20 app store credit something to that effect.
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You just have to find a band that fits its not a special band . Take ot to the watch store and ask the sales person.
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Well if everyone thought like you, nothing would ever get better and more people will get screwed over. If you are cool excepting just anything continue on till you personally get screwed. Don't worry I will be sympathetic to your situation. Next time I suggest you fully read before commenting. This comment was for diamantirecos.
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I do not agree with you. If the device IS faulty, samsung should be responsible.
Perfectly happy here. None of these problems I've read.. Except for battery life. But I use the exercise part at least an hour a day so that probably drains it a bit.
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Perfectly happy here. None of these problems I've read.. Except for battery life. But I use the exercise part at least an hour a day so that probably drains it a bit.
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Simple way to improve battery life. 1. Turn off wake up motion. Theres no need to have your wach wake everytime you raise your hand. 2. Put the screen off time to 5 sec. 3. Lower brightness to 2.. thats should give you about 3 days . But honestly you could charge yor watch every night its not a big deal I mean who sleeps with a watch anyway. With these setting I dont im not a power user lol. But you know what these watch is alot more useful than a $8900 plus rolex that only tells time.
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Without even commenting on your issues, here's what you can expect. The LG G2x had major problems related to its battery circuitry which were proven by a third-party engineer. It affected almost all the phones T-Mobile sold. I had one, I know. Legal action was threatened starting in early 2011 and a class action suit was filed mid year. The case settled in December 2013. Everyone got $19 but I'm sure the lawyers got amply compensated.
So carry on Norma Rae. Keep in mind Samsung's lawyers are probably tougher and more plentiful than LG's. And in the G2x's case there were real demonstrated issues.
wow.... LG settled out for a whopping $19 per each affected user and the "issues" still didn't get fixed.
you gotta love how some people's first reaction is to SUE when something doesn't quite work the way they think.... everyone has an itch i guess
good luck with this half baked idea.... im sure there's a bunch of clauses within the EULA that protect companies from these types of people.
you know that little part of new software that states "check here if you agree to the terms and conditions within" and you do without actually spending 6 days reading it? well there you go.
Some of you and your posts are kind of sad of your general overall lack of concern for what is an legitimate problem. A prime example of how the larger group crushes the smaller and supported by few in the pockets. I would not be surprised if you have a vested interest in Samsung or the watch itself. I personally don't wish to spend my time addressing the flawed thinking you show with your comments and how it directly relates to how we have simple violation of consumer producer relationship. If you have had a good experience, I am glad for you. Go start your own thread ayn share. We all got our own opinions, but save them for an appropriate thread that reflects it. I would rather keep this thread clean and not garbled up with useless statements of why you disagree with clearly a legitimate concern of a faulty product that has affected many people.
Might I also mention what I forgot to mention in my previous post, ever since I downloaded some application, don't know which one. Because I have reset both my phone and watch several times and flashed all 3 firmwares for the gear 2. But when my watch is on and connected to my phone anytime I get a call my phone automatically answers. Only when the gear is connected. I thoroughly checked and troubled shooted ever gesture based and auto answer feature on the gear 2 and my phone and even turned them all off. This is a very serious liability concern for me being I work in a multi billion dollar business in which very sensitive information could be leaked and place myself as well as my company in a serious litigation suit. Needless to say I cannot use the watch in my work environment anymore at least connected to my phone, which for now makes in my work environment my watch a over glorified digital watch which cannot function as it was sold and bought to do. Being myself a day one adopter and purchaser of the gear, returning it is not an option nor am I willing to reset it and sell it on eBay to be an issue for someone else as previously suggested. The overall lack of consideration of this matter and suggesting I should dump it on someone else is a prime example of how things like this continue to happen. I feel sorry for any of you who may happen to get taken advantage of and not find any assistance. But I assume you'll just dump it off on someone else instead of making the 'causer' accountable. Smh.
Snickers, what phone are u using and is it stock os? Most of the folks who are NOT using custom roms are working exactly as designed. Mine has worked flawless on my Note 3 rooted stock. No real mods to the phone. If you are not stock and you are not on compatible phone, no lawyer would even consider your case. Using outside of design parameters is instant dismissal from any court in a case like this. Now for the other person wanting to hit Samsung because of aftermarket software companies NOT delivering, you have to take action against them, unless any of those companies are wholly-owned by Samsung themselves. Either case, you would be hard pressed to find a litigation team willing to attempt this.
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New U.S. Antitrust Bill Would Require Apple and Google to Allow Third-Party App Stores and Sideloading
New bipartisan antitrust legislation that targets Apple's App Store and Google's Play Store was today introduced by U.S. Senators Richard Blumenthal, Marsha Blackburn, and Amy Klobuchar.
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The Open App Markets Act [PDF] is meant to create "fair, clear, and enforceable rules" that will protect competition and strengthen consumer protections. According to the three senators, Apple and Google have "gatekeeper control" of the two main mobile operating systems and their app stores, allowing them to dictate the terms of the app market.
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New U.S. Antitrust Bill Would Require Apple and Google to Allow Third-Party App Stores and Sideloading
New bipartisan antitrust legislation that targets Apple's App Store and Google's Play Store was today introduced by U.S. Senators Richard...
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If this gets passed, I can see Apple being not too happy.
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If this gets passed, I can see Apple being not too happy.
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Yes I think Apple will be the one of the two with more on the line. As for security concerns on this subject Apple already has enough issues currently and would much like to keep it as minimal as possible? Both companies are in compromising positions in this field as it is.
I'm all for this as most of us are. It is one step forward to a completely Lock Free phone Computing environment. It is right XDA and other communities alley. Developers will love this of course. It will put a lot of money in people's pockets where it needs to be.
Additionally the world of Android customization, custom phones, and all things totally cool for the little green guy my all come true for us someday.
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Yes I think Apple will be the one of the two with more on the line. As for security concerns on this subject Apple already has enough issues currently and would much like to keep it as minimal as possible? Both companies are in compromising positions in this field as it is.
I'm all for this as most of us are. It is one step forward to a completely Lock Free phone Computing environment. It is right XDA and other communities alley. Developers will love this of course. It will put a lot of money in people's pockets where it needs to be.
Additionally the world of Android customization, custom phones, and all things totally cool for the little green guy my all come true for us someday.
One small step for this win? One huge leap for the little green fellas kind...
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Agreed, if it gets passed, it would start to open the Apple OS more for customization.
In case most did not already know In the old days Apple was more of a user base of older people. Primarily older adults. There was not a lot of sales nor young people that were using the devices in the way that they are today. Fast forward in time technology has improved Apple has put out good PR when the iPhone released.. really a little bit before however this spiked a rise in their user base and this time one that
Would flourish for decades. Bad for apple yeah? No? With time comes curiosity.. they say curiosity killed the cat.. well it definitely killed Apple sales.. all the [very cool] exploits released, iCloud workarounds, bypass services and more causing this perhaps. ...
Apple firing back with iCloud the Superior device protection which launched an even greater amount of device sales for Apple with so many devices lost stolen Etc due to not being able to recover from iCloud lock. I don't know if the latter was very significant but in my mind it is and still is to this day until they fix it. I don't believe iCloud is bad. I would love for Google to implement their new surprise factory reset protection they have been talking about for a little while now that is not really in the media yet. Then Google will be up there with apple when it comes to device security on Lost stolen devices when this happens.
This is just a start of a whole new era of freedom for cellular devices. Up to 2015 we fought for unlocking rights and then we got them. Companies such as Motorola and HTC becoming developer-friendly in allowing bootloader unlocking . Other things. Now we have this. The day of Androids right now and Apple iPhones and I devices are likely days of moonshine running but only take that a step further the days of building custom cars right before NASCAR when everything had to be strictly from scratch. No million-dollar companies helping just strictly small mom-and-pop and backyard mechanics. I'm not trying to say phones are becoming hot rod that will eventually start racing each other lol by no means. But I think you get the gist of what I'm saying. Absolute freedom to do whatever with our devices.
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In case most did not already know In the old days Apple was more of a user base of older people. Primarily older adults. There was not a lot of sales nor young people that were using the devices in the way that they are today. Fast forward in time technology has improved Apple has put out good PR when the iPhone released.. really a little bit before however this spiked a rise in their user base and this time one that
Would flourish for decades. Bad for apple yeah? No? With time comes curiosity.. they say curiosity killed the cat.. well it definitely killed Apple sales.. all the [very cool] exploits released, iCloud workarounds, bypass services and more causing this perhaps. ...
Apple firing back with iCloud the Superior device protection which launched an even greater amount of device sales for Apple with so many devices lost stolen Etc due to not being able to recover from iCloud lock. I don't know if the latter was very significant but in my mind it is and still is to this day until they fix it. I don't believe iCloud is bad. I would love for Google to implement their new surprise factory reset protection they have been talking about for a little while now that is not really in the media yet. Then Google will be up there with apple when it comes to device security on Lost stolen devices when this happens.
This is just a start of a whole new era of freedom for cellular devices. Up to 2015 we fought for unlocking rights and then we got them. Companies such as Motorola and HTC becoming developer-friendly in allowing bootloader unlocking . Other things. Now we have this. The day of Androids right now and Apple iPhones and I devices are likely days of moonshine running but only take that a step further the days of building custom cars right before NASCAR when everything had to be strictly from scratch. No million-dollar companies helping just strictly small mom-and-pop and backyard mechanics. I'm not trying to say phones are becoming hot rod that will eventually start racing each other lol by no means. But I think you get the gist of what I'm saying. Absolute freedom to do whatever with our devices.
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Agreed, Motorola thankfully has an easy way to unlock bootloader, it at least gives you an option to flash a different current os compared to their os which updates maybe every so many months if you are lucky.
Oneplus I believe also has bootloader unlock available as well.