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Hi,
I am looking for a replacement phone for my Galaxy S and I am doubting whether to buy the SGS II or the HTC Sensation, the most important thing is the screen!
And since the SGS had an aweful Pentile Matrix Layout RGBG, I would never buy another phone with a PM layout.
So straight to the point does the htc sensation have a Pentile Matrix layout?
Thanks in advance
Screen is an LCD and therefore has a RGB stripe subpixel layout. Pentile is used for oled screen technology.
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Screen is an LCD and therefore has a RGB stripe subpixel layout. Pentile is used for oled screen technology.
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Then, what is that?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
Wow, I wonder why they did that, I'm not buying the blue phosphor stuff as how many lcd screens have you seen noticeably affected by this. Is this the only pentile lcd screen?
I wouldnt have thought that the Sensation would use pentile as none of the new HTC models with S-LCD screens have pentile as far as I'm aware.
I don't think this one is pentile matrix, but I don't have anything solid to back that up.
The SGSII is definitely not pentile matrix.
The screen on the sensation is super LCD qhd I'm pretty sure the super amoled plus screen on the sg2 is pentile matrix
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The SGS II doesn't have a pentile matrix that's for sure, since the plus in super amoled plus, stands for the extra subpixel (compared to Super Amoled)
Now I was wondering whether the HTC Sensation has a pentile matrix because the Atrix 4G has a pentile matrix aswell and that's qHD too!
hiraj_panosian said:
The SGS II doesn't have a pentile matrix that's for sure, since the plus in super amoled plus, stands for the extra subpixel (compared to Super Amoled)
Now I was wondering whether the HTC Sensation has a pentile matrix because the Atrix 4G has a pentile matrix aswell and that's qHD too!
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qHD is only a spec of resolution, not of screen type. qHD is one quarter of full HD resolution:
1920/2= 960
1080/2= 540
The qHD notation could be use on amoled, samoled, lcd, slcd or any type of screen, as long as it is 960 x 540 resolution.
Killbynature said:
The screen on the sensation is super LCD qhd I'm pretty sure the super amoled plus screen on the sg2 is pentile matrix
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The sgs2 is NOT a pentile matrix.
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walk.away said:
Wow, I wonder why they did that, I'm not buying the blue phosphor stuff as how many lcd screens have you seen noticeably affected by this. Is this the only pentile lcd screen?
I wouldnt have thought that the Sensation would use pentile as none of the new HTC models with S-LCD screens have pentile as far as I'm aware.
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Has nothing to do with the blue. The white pixel lends brightness. I'm sure its cheaper for them and easier to make. Ideally it should increase battery life.
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Killbynature said:
The screen on the sensation is super LCD qhd I'm pretty sure the super amoled plus screen on the sg2 is pentile matrix
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I see others have corrected you, but since your post my in reply to mine I felt irked enough to reply anyways. The SGSII screen is definitely NOT pentile. Samsung made a big deal about that at the launch, and its been widely publicised since. Using Google occasionally, before posting, is a great way to avoid espousing fictions publicly.
eallan said:
Has nothing to do with the blue. The white pixel lends brightness. I'm sure its cheaper for them and easier to make. Ideally it should increase battery life.
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Erm, there is no suchh thing as a white pixel. Red Green and Blue combine to make white light. The anandtech article explains it well.
I do acknowledge that the blue may shut down quicker, but no other LCD uses this, so i dont believe its the reason Motorola used pentile matrix. Possibly too reduce the cost of creating a screen with high resolution by reduction the number of sub pixels to cram in. (or wichever lcd manufacturer moto uses)
Anyone know the answer to the OP?
As with many other people I'm torn between the SGS2 and the HTC Sensation... For me this could be the deciding factor.
Erm, there is no suchh thing as a white pixel. Red Green and Blue combine to make white light. The anandtech article explains it well.
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I believe the Atrix uses a RGBW PenTile arrangement - you can see it in the Anandtech cloe-up.
The sgs2 is NOT a pentile matrix.
Repetition of what others have said but,
GSII has no pentile matrix, the PLUS in super AMOLED Plus stands for 50% increase i sub pixels SO when you look at the screen, it'll appear in it's FULL resolution! No pixelating due to pentile.
Link will tell you what you need to know.
http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus
daivik said:
Repetition of what others have said but,
GSII has no pentile matrix, the PLUS in super AMOLED Plus stands for 50% increase i sub pixels SO when you look at the screen, it'll appear in it's FULL resolution! No pixelating due to pentile.
Link will tell you what you need to know.
http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus
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THANK YOU! That description is accurate without the implied hyperbole of making it higher res and stuff. Sorry, I just hate the propaganda spewed by all companies and think that its hyperbole has no place here. Saying it makes it look higher res than it is is wrong, while your statement of "it'll appear in it's FULL resolution! No pixelating due to pentile." is perfectly accurate.
solsearch said:
THANK YOU! That description is accurate without the implied hyperbole of making it higher res and stuff. Sorry, I just hate the propaganda spewed by all companies and think that its hyperbole has no place here. Saying it makes it look higher res than it is is wrong, while your statement of "it'll appear in it's FULL resolution! No pixelating due to pentile." is perfectly accurate.
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even thought you'd think they'd "bat for AMOELD" it's a VERY good website. Just lays the facts of AMOLED.
So have you made your mind up yet??
daivik said:
even thought you'd think they'd "bat for AMOELD" it's a VERY good website. Just lays the facts of AMOLED.
So have you made your mind up yet??
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Best kind of sites, the ones that will speak the impartial truth.
And yeah, the Sensation is the one I'll get. The camera is better on the Samsung but the higher res screen is a godsend for me (the resolution closes in on that of the original Galaxy Tab, HTC Flyer, and BB Playbook). Plus, I am upgrading from a Touch Pro 2, I really don't think any dual-core phone will disappoint me (except maybe for a Tegra2 one because I want High Profile H.264 decoding). I don't like the ergonomics of the SII or their UI (though their browser is buttery smooth). The new zoom method on the SII seems interesting but also seems to lack the precision needed to really make it useful (it'll most likely improve with time). Also, HTC in general is great with updates (I'm not saying anything bad about Samsung), they had 5 different ROMs for my TP2 and the latest update was released February of this year.
In summary these are my reasons for choosing the Sensation:
Higher resolution screen: great for reading web pages, novels, comics and I assuming it'll be great for document editing/formatting/creation. The colours on SAMOLED+ might be prettier but not as functional for me.
Camera, I need the cameras in general for spontaneous moments and for reference. To show what I was talking about or documentation moments, things, etc. (or even just avoiding the wasted paper of photocopies). I do wish it had more detail but it's enough for what I need (though what DOES bug me about it is that from some shots/videos you can see that it IS capable of capturing finer detail which makes me think the blurry/pastel-y parts are due to compression or noise reduction algorithms that are just too aggressive).
UI and HTC familiarity and product support (I honestly get the impression that Google's decision to ask companies to support devices for 18 months is going to affect HTC's practices and I mean that in a good way).
The processor might not be as good (MIGHT as it is still an ongoing debate and don't want people to jump down my throat) but it is better tenfold than the one I have at the moment.
And hey, I figure the "buttery smoothness" of the SII should be coming to all halfway decent phones, including the Sensation, when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out as Honeycomb supposedly supports GPU acceleration and so the Sandwich should too.
I am an informed shopper. I make sure I am aware of not only the advantages, but also the deficiencies, of what I buy but make the choice based on what's best for ME based on my likes/wants and NEEDS at the moment and near future.
Now I just have to do two things:
1) wait for reviews if they don't take too long to see if there's anything seriously wrong with the Sensation or something else that could change my decision (I doubt it).
2) Choose whether to buy an imported sim-unlocked version or import one from T-Mobile (This decision might be heavily influenced by the release date of unlocked versions and the programs pre-installed on the T-Mob version.
How about you Daivik? Make your choice? And don't worry, whatever it is I won't try to dissuade you
p.s. I read the Sensation manual and like that it has bilingual support for the keyboard/text prediction.. Something which is very useful for me (though for all I know the SII could have it).
solsearch said:
Best kind of sites, the ones that will speak the impartial truth.
And yeah, the Sensation is the one I'll get. The camera is better on the Samsung but the higher res screen is a godsend for me (the resolution closes in on that of the original Galaxy Tab, HTC Flyer, and BB Playbook). Plus, I am upgrading from a Touch Pro 2, I really don't think any dual-core phone will disappoint me (except maybe for a Tegra2 one because I want High Profile H.264 decoding). I don't like the ergonomics of the SII or their UI (though their browser is buttery smooth). The new zoom method on the SII seems interesting but also seems to lack the precision needed to really make it useful (it'll most likely improve with time). Also, HTC in general is great with updates (I'm not saying anything bad about Samsung), they had 5 different ROMs for my TP2 and the latest update was released February of this year.
In summary these are my reasons for choosing the Sensation:
Higher resolution screen: great for reading web pages, novels, comics and I assuming it'll be great for document editing/formatting/creation. The colours on SAMOLED+ might be prettier but not as functional for me.
Camera, I need the cameras in general for spontaneous moments and for reference. To show what I was talking about or documentation moments, things, etc. (or even just avoiding the wasted paper of photocopies). I do wish it had more detail but it's enough for what I need (though what DOES bug me about it is that from some shots/videos you can see that it IS capable of capturing finer detail which makes me think the blurry/pastel-y parts are due to compression or noise reduction algorithms that are just too aggressive).
UI and HTC familiarity and product support (I honestly get the impression that Google's decision to ask companies to support devices for 18 months is going to affect HTC's practices and I mean that in a good way).
The processor might not be as good (MIGHT as it is still an ongoing debate and don't want people to jump down my throat) but it is better tenfold than the one I have at the moment.
And hey, I figure the "buttery smoothness" of the SII should be coming to all halfway decent phones, including the Sensation, when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out as Honeycomb supposedly supports GPU acceleration and so the Sandwich should too.
I am an informed shopper. I make sure I am aware of not only the advantages, but also the deficiencies, of what I buy but make the choice based on what's best for ME based on my likes/wants and NEEDS at the moment and near future.
Now I just have to do two things:
1) wait for reviews if they don't take too long to see if there's anything seriously wrong with the Sensation or something else that could change my decision (I doubt it).
2) Choose whether to buy an imported sim-unlocked version or import one from T-Mobile (This decision might be heavily influenced by the release date of unlocked versions and the programs pre-installed on the T-Mob version.
How about you Daivik? Make your choice? And don't worry, whatever it is I won't try to dissuade you
p.s. I read the Sensation manual and like that it has bilingual support for the keyboard/text prediction.. Something which is very useful for me (though for all I know the SII could have it).
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Now that is a good reasoning!! Personally I think I'm swaying to the GSII.
1) I'm on T-mobile UK, who get all their phones late! :/ SO I don't think I could wait for the sensation (as it is the GSII is coming in in June...or later)
2) I prefer the sense look and feel, but I'm coming up from a Desire, so I feel as if I'm just buying a "Desire-pro"/"Desire-EPIC-HD" etc (you get the point?) and I'm the sort of person that likes change!
I also ended up just using launcherPro over sense on my desire also.
3) Watch is a big feature on HTC...but I have A RUBBISH 2mb internet speed, on a good day, so downloading movies is something that I haven't been able to do (without leaving my pc on over night!)
4)Being honest, I'm not totally happy about the TouchWiz messaging of contacts (it looks very "blocky/rectangular", but that's something I'll change/get over.)
5) the RAM, even though it is more that enough, it's just the sort of thing that will bug me, knowing that the GSII has 1GB. And internal memory, again even though 1GB is enough, I just fear running out, like on my desire.
And the GSII, should be coming on T-Mobile earlier than the Sensation, so it's the one i'll go for - But still will feel gutted that I won't be seeing qHD.
there's always next year...when hopefully, we'll be seeing 300+ PPI Super AMOLED plus panels!
Hello there!
Currently, I'm in possession of a Motorola Milestone. Great phone, but the slightly outdated RAM, crappy update support and locked bootloader made me crave for a new phone. With all the new stuff coming out this year, I'm not entirely sure of my decision. Because of the great hardware specs (dualcore processor, 1GB RAM etc.) the Galaxy S2 I9100 pulled my interest. But I'm not entirely sure if a non-TouchWIZ UI custom ROM can be installed, and if not, I'm wondering wether the Touchwiz provides a android-worthy experience. Any thoughts on this?
The most important thing is that my new smartphone will stay relevant for a good while. With my Milestone (which I bought way too late anyway) I couldn't run games like Dungeon Defenders, which has been released a few months after buying this phone.
Any advice from the experts would be greatly appreciated.
Edit: A Tegra 2 processor seems attractive, is this processor worthwhile?
Wait for the HTC Sensation
Dual core CPU @ 1.2 GHz,Tegra 2 procesor,1080p recording,1GB of RAM,4.3" screen and a resolution "Retina" like,its actually a qHD LCD screen
I'd go with the Droid Bionic!
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I'd go with the Droid Bionic!
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reflexEagle said:
Wait for the HTC Sensation
Dual core CPU @ 1.2 GHz,Tegra 2 procesor,1080p recording,1GB of RAM,4.3" screen and a resolution "Retina" like,its actually a qHD LCD screen
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Well, I live in Europe so I need go with a GSM phone so Droid Bionic wouldn't do the job I'm afraid. Thanks for the advice though
I was interested in the HTC Pyramid/Sensation as well indeed, but heard negative rumors about the processor not catching up with other phones or something?
Edit: Also found out Sensation has 768MB of RAM, not that it's a huge difference or anything ;p
Well Sensation is a very good device but also HTC Evo 3D is pretty good if you like the 3D expirience without glasses
The Sensation won't have the Tegra. HTC is using the dual core Qualcomm CPU listed a 1.2GHz.
This is taken from Phonearena.com:
"HTC Sensation comes with a fresh serving of Android 2.3 Gingerbread, but it's all about the HTC Sense UI version 3.0 with a touch of refinement and functionality straight from the lock screen. You can choose between a number of lock screen options such as weather updates, quick access to apps and a handful of clock widgets. A 1.2GHz Qualcomm dual-core chipset supports the nice 3D-like transitions in the menu, all carrying resemblance to the ones on the HTC Flyer tablet. The phone is the first with a contoured glass 4.3-inch display meaning that your Super LCD screen is set back slightly to avoid scratches. The resolution is qHD (540x960) with an aspect ratio of 16:9. On the back you have an 8MP camera with dual-LED flash with “instant capture,” meaning little to no lag between pictures. The camera is also capable of recording video at 30fps in full HD (1080p) resolution."
I personally suggest the SGS2 for you, the new touchwiz seems to bring all of our favorite launcher features and some interesting widgets. It looks like a nice phone, (button seems lame tho) I say you can't go wrong with anything HTC, Samsung is pretty good hardware, software is lacking though, but that's what our lovely DEVS are for. And stay away from moto, they are just....They did horrible things to the xoom...horrible things. It could have been sooo much more... Anywayyy..
Hope this helps
This surely helps, thanks for the advice! Although I'm even more unsure of my choice, because of the new phones you guys suggested
Evo 3D comes out in Europe as well, which is great, just not sure of the battery life with 3D effect? and will it effect performance of the phone itself?
Also thanks moderator for moving my thread to the correct subforum.
I'm very skeptical about all this 3d hype. 3d screens seems to utilize the same technology that is behind 3DS, which causes nausea, headaches and some people are just unable to see it.
If i was considering buying a new android phone, i'd come up with a budget i'd like to spend and selected the phone that i find visually most attractive. Since they most likely to be priced competitevely, you can't make a too much of an error this way, and dual core 1.2 GHz processors will surely be an overkill for most applications except most advanced 3d games in closest 6-12 months IMO.
From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
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It depends on how it all comes together. A higher quality 5mp camera could produce better results that our 8mp camera so that doesn't scare me. More power is always good. A pure Google phone is always good from a latest and greatest perspective. It's also guaranteed to have NFC which is good.
The screen kind of scares me. My SGS2 screen (an early build) is great but there have been lots of reported QC issues, wide variations in color temperature, the gradient issue, and the left side banding issue. Pushing even more pixels to get to 720p is going to be tough to pull off based on the challenges they experienced in the jump from SAMOLED to SAMOLED+.
The radio's important and I wouldn't go back to something lower than 21MB HSPA+. I doubt it'll support any form of LTE because there are too many frequencies to contend with.
So count me as a "maybe."
Thanks for responding. I am not so sure either. That's why a discussion is a great place to start. Hopefully it will smash the new Iphone.
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/22/google-nexus-prime-processor-detailed/
It all seems over the edge to me. From looking at the previous releases of google phones starting from Nexus One which consisted similar specs to the desire, and the nexus S which again has the similar specs to the Galaxy S, infact they shared the same chipsets. I'm not implying that the prime would indeed carry the similarities of the GS2 on that behalf but maybe not too far off.
An improved build of the AMOLED+ screen with all the banding issue and etc gone (I doubt it'll be 720p either). I'd say yes to dual core and maybe 1.5ghz (why not?). 5mp camera, (really?) I doubt they'd go anything below an 8mp due to competitvity and yes yes we all know that the cmos sensor makes all the difference but most people prefer figures rather than facts which is where the target audience usually lies (consider iphone 5 being the biggest role in competitiveness here).
All in all any specs that surpasses the GS2 is a path to the right direction although it's too early to judge since quad core is only around the corner, so time will tell. I personally wouldn't buy a google phone; my list of reasons would stuff this whole thread.
Next Nexus will also be google with bare basic OS , that means no awesome Samsung media codecs.
Also Nexus S had no external sdcard only 16gigs build in.
Only time will show how crippled its gonna be, sure certain aspects might be better depending who is gonna make it, CPU/GPU might be better , 720p AMOLED screen would be nice or at very least some decked out IPS panel.
Generally nexus devices never been better then some alternatives , but its subjective everyone has different needs. I am more interested in next Galaxy successor !
Yes the galaxy 3 will be a huge step. I think that all the codec support on this device is amazing. The nexus s was OK but destroyed by the s2. The next nexus probably won't beat the s2 when you look at the previous steps taken.
Samsungs software this year has been excellent. It's one of the few devices with duel core being optimised well. Will vanilla android be optimised? Probably not.
nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
EDIT: haah i meant nexus prime , thanks robt772000
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nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
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Nexus Prime
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Nexus "Prime" will be a very good phone (atleast I can hope so!). But even if it smashes GS2, no shame in that. By all accounts, Prime would be released 6+ months after GS2, so it would be a shame if it can't beat GS2.
I am worried about few other points which you guys might have better knowledge:
1. How would be the application support for Ice cream? Will it be compatible with 2.x application?
2. What would be native/suggested resolution and form factor of displays? I assume that it's 480*800 for 2.x models. Is that going to change with Ice cream?
3. What would happen to Honeycomb? Ice cream is supposed to be across both tablets and phones? So, it appears to me that HC was just a stop-gap arrangement to allow android foot-hold in the tablet market.
4. What sort of processors are they going to support? My assumption was that HC was typically made compatible with Tegra2 and the primary reason why it sucked initially. I would bet that if HC ran on Exynos with Samsung optimized drivers, it would be much better than what it is now.
Most people tend think the battle would be with iOS, my idea is that the biggest threat for Ice cream will be from Microsoft!
Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
My only real concern is the screen quality, the SAMOLED plus is inferior to the regular SAMOLED due to its massive banding and QC issues, for day to day use theres basically no difference between both, For pictures the SAMOLED made some pictures prettier because it was not able to display the flaws/image compression artifacts, color is better on the Plus though. All in all it boils down to the screen quality for me.
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From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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All that and probably no micro sd card slot again.
Most definitely. It's the Big G's OFFICIAL phone. And should it have this epic HD-high-resolution 4.0" or 4.3" display. It'll blow the GS2 away. Not to mention whatever minor processor improvements there will be.
Also it'll be rocking 4.0 - K.O - Game Set Match.
Anyhows, I'm just happy they're continuing the Nexus range, because it really is something that showcases Android and combats iOS and that really brings the best of the best to the table. (well so far it has)........well not really with the Nexus S, but that is still a damn good phone. But this Nexus Prime looks like it's going to be another Nexus One, ground-breaking.
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Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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Yes, both MS and Apple are trying to unify the platforms. My view is that Apple will again try to keep that niche segment and their loyal user base. MS, like Google will license their software to other vendors. The whole scenario sounds similar to what happened in the desktop space 20 years back. History repeating itself - we have Apple on one side and MS/Google with a different approach on other. Players like IBM and Compaq making way for present day vendors like Samsung/Nokia etc.,
Ho well, I won't be surprised if in a year from now, with dual core 2ghz ARMs and 1+ gig of ram in phones we will see windows 8 running on smartphones with metro UI on top... If it runs on a tab, it'll run on a smartpone. Hell the SGS2 is crushing any tablet currently, it's just sad that all the SGS are always given unused potential (remember the sgx540 on sgs1, and now exynos mali400 on sgs2). But hey that's what makes them future proof, we'll still see SGS1 running new games and apps in a year or two.
I liked android for the customization and liberty it gave me, but I pretty much ran around it both on tablet (transformer) and phone (SGS1 &2) and I think that my next gen of devices will be wp7.5 mango (if the WP7 SGS2 ever comes out!) and then wp8 stuff late 2012.
Honestly I think the current tab market is just ****ting his pants at windows 8's arrival, because frankly, no iOS or honeycomb can rival win8's functionalities, if it runs smooth of course... (win 8 transformer 2 ).
Standing from here I really see MS as the big winner of following years. Android had 2 years to evolve into something really productive, yet it didn't really came there and still has a lesser quality catalog compared to the app store. But who knows what ICS will bring ? we can only wait.
Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
It depends on what hardware it will have.
If it will boast a Qualcomm Krait, then it will blow it away. If it uses anything else, then no, it might be slightly faster performance wise, but that's all. The only thing going for it will be the 720p screen, but we still don't know the size of the display or what type it will be.
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Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
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It's supposed to have a ginormous screen, so think bigger than 4.3" of the SGS2. I don't think it will surpass the DPI of the retina display even at 720p or at that screen size.
If it doesn't surpass SII in every spec then it will be just another SII. You will have to make compromises between a lower mp camera or no card slot, etc. If it beats SII in every section then yes, it will blow it away.
Samsung Nexus for Me
Winner is
Around 2.5x higher resolution screen, 1280x720 vs 800x480
Around 50% crisper display of text, images and video, 315 PPI vs 217 PPI
More than 10% larger screen, 4.6" vs 4.3"
i will go for Nexus !!
I might be trading my HTC One S for an HTC 8X do you think this is a good deal and what are the pros and cons to each device? any tips? thanks
justin11141 said:
I might be trading my HTC One S for an HTC 8X do you think this is a good deal and what are the pros and cons to each device? any tips? thanks
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I had the HTC HD7 for 6 months... I tried to like the windows phone OS, but I eventually felt it to be way to "constricting" I couldn't modify it, and at the time there weren't too many apps for it. It's a quick operating system, but it doesn't seem like it's as powerful as the android platform.
I don't know much about the 8X, the hardware may be better than the OneS (I haven't looked into it), but I have to say the OS is just not mature enough to compete with Android, iOS, or even RIM's OS
that's just my 2cents
I happened to have played with the 8X and have One S.
The first thing you need to ask yourself before the switch is if you need any of the apps on your android phone. Remember that Windows Phone is still relatively new OS and there are still tons of apps missing or not working well. If you think that you can survive with the limited apps support then you can decide if you want to switch. One of the biggest issue I have with WP8 is not much google voice support and since I use GV as my only text, it is hard for me to stay on it. (granted you can use email option and/or other third party software but just not as great)
One thing that I personally do not like about WP8 is the notification LED light that only blinks a few seconds after a missed call/sms, etc but does not stay on. So you always have to turn the device on to see anything.
My biggest recommendation is first do a bit read on the pro/con on the WP8 since you are looking to swtich between the platform so you need to know what you are getting yoruself into. Things like Goggle service like Maps, turn by turn navigatin, customizatoin etc are missing on the 8X
Overall, the 8X is great WP8 phone and probably one of the best build out there for WP8. The phone has great camera, especially front camera compare to our One S, much higher res and takes much better image. The One S and 8X have same rear camera but I think one S has more feature due to the software (since WP8 does not offer you much software).
build quality, both phones are great, I like the soft rubber feel of 8X but I personally prefer One S's metalic body as it feel more durable and premium. The rounded corner also feels a bit better. The 8X button is a bit hard to press due to it's flushed against the body.
a few other differences/comments
One S has FM but 8X does not
both has no removable batter and no expandable battery so both comes with 16GB storage and on 8X, you get like 13 or 14gb for free (I think a bit mroe than 8X)
8X has a better screen due to higher res and use of LCD as oppose to SAMOLED. It can appears to be a bit washed out if you are used to SAMOLED but it's more natural color.
Both phones are great, but I wouldn't necessarily trade your HTC One S for the HTC 8X.
This is what I can think of at the moment:
Pros:
Higher Resolution Screen on the 8X (1280 x 720 vs 960 x 540)
Higher PPI
Higher res front-facing camera 2.1MP vs VGA (.3MP)
Rubberized grip has a unique feel
Windows OS is very easy to use
OS Integrates very well with Microsoft services (Xbox Live, Hotmail, Skydrive, etc.)
Has search features that are integrated for QR code scanning and photo search
Cons:
LCD2 Screen isn't as vibrant as the Super AMOLED display on the One S
Windows 8 OS has a limited app market
Windows 8 OS doesn't really allow customization - for instance keyboards, widgets, etc.
Overal more restrictive OS environment
The 8X feels a bit uncomfortable to me with the sharp edges
Rather than having 500000000 threads comparing GS4 to One, put all your thoughts in here.
Don't forget to vote.
Here is a good list posted by -]Megacharge[- - which I think most would agree with - if you came to the thread looking for quick overview, here it is:
S4:
-Bigger screen
-Removable storage
-Removable battery
-Can use screen with gloves on
-Marginally faster benchmark scores in the S600 version
-Much faster benchmark scores in the Exynos version
-TouchWiz including a bunch of S-software (which some people may find useful - HTC's betting on design as their number one selling point. Samsung's doing the same with software features)
-IR LED (TV Remote)
-Android 4.2.2
[Gorilla Glass 3, 1.9MHz clock speed, DDR3, thinner, lighter, bigger display in smaller footprint]
One:
-Higher PPI and color accuracy
-Design
-IR LED (TV Remote)
-Dual front facing speakers (great speakers)
-Dual membrane mics
-Sense 5 (incredibly fluid with no lag and looks more "adult" than touchwiz)
-Low light camera performance
-Android 4.1.2
[Gorilla Glass 2, 1.7MHz clock speed, DDR2, chunkier, a little heavier, aluminium body]
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Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
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djbenny1 said:
This is not a troll thread - though I suspect it will be perceived as such.
I honestly want to know what it is people think is actually better about the GS4.
I'm sure some people will say "everything" but please vote for one, and then comment on why.
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Sadly this thread will turn into a flame war and will get shut down with the quickness. They both have their pros and cons.
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I'm not going to even comment on this thread (from now on) - my opinions will be kept entirely to myself.
I am honestly just curious.
PS - don't just comment - vote!
FYI I voted for Dev Support as I think we all know it will sell more.
Swisser said:
Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
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You said aluminum body + looks better, don't they go together? HTC is trying very hard to sell its "premium look" more than anything else
Swyped from another galaxy
LOOkS and BUILD QUALITY-htc wins..
CPU - samsung.. because having those a15 is really gonna help that 1080 screen on heavy tasks..
GPU- samsung again.. people who game will really find it better.. and it being power vr means games wil get better optimized faster amd be better on the s4..
SD slot, removable battery- samsung
MUSIC HEADPHONE quality- no idea.. but beats suck
And dont know if samsung is using that wolfson dac which is good af
SCREEN- no one wins .subjective.. I love amoleds and that 1080 amoled looks sexy. But the htc also has one hell of an lcd screen
UI- subjective.. I find sense better but blinkfeed is nonsense. But touchwiz is functional
DEVELOPMENT- samsung... and S- off sucks..lol..
BATTERY- Ssamsung.. looking at samsungs history of phones, they always had better battery.. I heard htc one has come up though.. byt u bet the new s4 will be even better than the s3 and htc one
Samsung also has some extra features which maybe considered as gimmicks.. but zoe,drama shot , erase features and other editing stuffs are in both..
I might buy both... htc for that built, but in the end samsung for that power and development wins it all
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HTC has louder sound and better on speakers.
HTC is full of metal vs Samsung plastic - so better build quality.
HTC has better AnTuTu scores and higher clock. (GSIV has 1.6Ghz - says gsmarena.com).
HTC has famous "Sense" which is way better than Touchwiz in my opinion.
HTC's camera is better on dark places.
HTC is more compact.
HTC has better xda development. (Exynos is bad documentated and HTC already has great devs workin' on it - and yeah team Venom).
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Not sure about GPU, I'd say Samsung is better.
Samsung has bigger screen.
Samsung has head moving are pausing things
Floating touch (I would turn it off but I would say floating touch games maybe - that would be interesting).
Samsung will update its device way more than HTC to newer android versions.
Samsung has external SD up to 64GB. So you could have impressing 126GB of memory for your files!
Samsung has better camera in my opinion.
Samsung has bigger battery.
Samsung is more sold device - more support (bit that doesn't mean anything).
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Tie:
AMOLED vs SLCD - depends on person.
Hard to break or easily removable battery.
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Overall HTC is better as "pure android experience or AOSP and pure performance and great made phone".
And Sammy software things and functionality.
But I think I am going for HTC if screen is big enough.
I tried to do review not being fanboy of both!
Swisser said:
Honestly not much. The hard ware is close to identical. As far as software goes I don't really pay to much attention as I would flash CM. To either.
GS4
Better GPU
Lighter
Battery life
Faster CPU clock
Bigger Screen
HTC
Aluminum body
More PPI
Looks better imho
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I thought the GPU was the same?
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Removable storage is pretty much the key reason for me. I really don't understand why manufacturers chose not to include such an obvious feature in their devices...
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I thought the GPU was the same?
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No.lol.. the gpu in internationao s4 is powervr.. the one iphones and ipads use
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I'll break this down to two simple facts.
1. Expandable storage is a deal breaker for me. The One has no expandable storage, so when you run out of space, you're done - time to start eating up your mobile data plan for cloud services. Deal breaker.
2. S-Off is terrible. Something tells me one reason HTC stopped providing expandable storage slots in their phones is due to the way the Vivid had to be S-Off'ed. You have to short out a contact point on the phone's main board with the ground on the SD slot to hack the damn S-Off. Maybe this was a major flaw and combined with other reasons, they just decided they would scrap the storage slot altogether. Without S-Off, the whole process of flashing new ROMs becomes more tedious and annoying. And let's not forget that you can scrap the idea of flashing new radios to your device if you can't S-Off an HTC phone. HTC is not too developer-friendly lately...
Is it even possible to S-Off the One X or X+? I haven't looked at those boards in detail in quite a while.
Wow that was a long answer for two simple facts.
Sent from my HTC PH39100...soon to be Galaxy S4.
The fact that Samsung seems to be listening to their customers (unlike HTC), is what does it.
Advantages of the One:
-Premium build, subjectively better design
-Camera optimized for low-light environments
-Screen is objectively better at accurate color reproduction
-Stereo speakers
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Is that what customers want? Some, sure. But it seems like HTC is playing Apple's form > function game. And they won't win, because their software, battery life and camera are not up to par.
What does the S4 have?
-Packs a larger display into a body that is smaller, slimmer and lighter than the S3 (yet people will still go around complaining that 5" is 'just too big'), more ergonomic than the hard edges of the One's design
-Display benefits from power savings of PenTile matrix while the resolution nullifies any complaints about its perceived sharpness; EDIT: actually, the display utilizes a new, brighter PHOLED technology and a completely different PenTile 'diamond' matrix that seems to address most complaints about the S3's display on their own
-Display is subjectively better then the One's for some—AND has built-in screen tuning options for those that want accurate, natural colors (Movie/Cinema mode on the S3/Note 2 is comparable to sRGB emulation mode on a wide gamut monitor in my own side-by-side comparisons)
-Display's infinite contrast is objectively better, and the lower reflectivity and sunlight legibility is something other manufacturers have fallen behind with their 1080p displays
-Superior homegrown SoC (although I have no idea why the U.S. is stuck with Qualcomm again with all the new LTE tech the Exynos chipset has); people knocking the big.LITTLE architecture seem to be ignoring the purpose of it (it's not just 'twice as many cores' or 'not-really-eight-cores')
-1.7mm thinner than the One, yet it packs a larger, removable battery and microSD slot (deja vu)
-USB 3.0 on the Exynos
-TouchWiz is better than Sense, despite subjectivity over appearance: lighter, smoother, less buggy, closer to vanilla Android in functionality and packed with extra features (many which are actually useful) that can be easily turned off—vs. a bloated interface that tries to undermine the Android interface and sticks you with homescreen limitations like a Flipboard knock-off that can't be fully disabled; I personally find Sense even uglier than TouchWiz with its mix of colorful icons and flat black theming
-A camera that, for another generation in a row, doesn't ruin its image quality with overaggressive noise reduction and processing like HTC's offerings, while packing as many features as one would want into the camera app (like the ability to make animated GIF's with static backgrounds easily)
-Battery life that is sure to surpass its predecessor, unlike the lackluster battery performance seen in the One/Butterfly/DNA
-Gorilla Glass 3 over the One's Gorilla Glass 2
-Unified delivery to all carriers, while the One's future on a major carrier like Verizon is still just rumors
-Latest JellyBean 4.2.2 vs. One's JellyBean 4.1, and not only a much better commitment to and delivery of updates than HTC, but a commitment to and delivery of bringing new software features to older flagship devices when they don't depend on new hardware
-The ability to run ANY two apps side-by-side on the screen at the same time for multitasking—and the ability to run pop-up apps like the browser, video player, calculator, etc. on top of that
-Not only are features like the delivered Air Gestures and Eye Scroll useful and polished (maybe not so much with Eye Scroll's polish), but Floating Touch is major: completely new and unique screen tech that essentially gives you a mouse cursor for hovering, which is a boon for web browsing and Adobe Flash
-Unlocked bootloader vs. the One's locked bootloader (despite all the negative feedback HTC received previously)
While the S4 might not blow anyone away at first glance, it's clear that Samsung pays attention to things that matter when it comes to using your device, down to the details that everyone else seems to overlook. The One is a beautiful phone to look at and hold, but beyond that it holds the same disappointments that held HTC back the last time around.
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The fact that Samsung seems to be listening to their customers (unlike HTC), is what does it.
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I hope you're joking.
I know many people are not fans of the home button, but I use the hell out of it my S3 and I prefer to use it when activating the display from sleep mode. Many times when my phone is just laying on the table, I can just hit the home button and swipe down for messages or to change songs etc. I just find it much more easy to access than the power button. I do prefer the look of the HTC over the S4.
GGXtreme said:
The fact that Samsung seems to be listening to their customers (unlike HTC), is what does it.
Advantages of the One:
-Premium build, subjectively better design
-Camera optimized for low-light environments
-Screen is objectively better at accurate color reproduction
-Stereo speakers
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Stereo speakers on a device that small, the HTC One, is pointless anyway. The whole point of stereo is so you can differentiate the sounds in each ear, thereby creating the stereo effect. With two speakers so close together, the sounds will mesh together by the time they hit your ears anyway, making a more monaural sound.
I think the only real advantage HTC has is the build quality of the phone. But that advantage is moot to me because I always put a nice case on whatever phone I buy.
Sent from my HTC PH39100.
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I hope you're joking.
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Please point out any errors in my reasoning. I think I made a decent case, care to actually make one yourself?
When you compare the two there's not a lot that's unique going for the One except for it's beautiful all-aluminum design and dual speakers. The fact that it's the same physical size (while being thicker and heavier) as the SGS4 with last year's 4.7" display size isn't going to help it. Here's a quick run down comparing the two. It was the answer to "why would anyone buy the SGS4 over the One" from thier forum.
Larger 5" SAMOLED display with vibrant colors
Thinner and lighter with other dimensions being near equal
13MP camera (more detail)
Better battery life, bigger and removable battery
Replaceable back cover if its damaged
Expandable storage
Gorilla Glass 3 (versus 2)
Android 4.2.2 (vs. 4.1.2, at least for now)
Dual Camera (insert yourself in to photos you take)
Drama Shot (a simpler Zoe)
Sound and Shot to record voice comments on still photos
Story Album to create and send printed photo albums
Share Music to turn multiple SGS4's in to surround sound
Group Play to share content across multiple devices without the need for a Wi-FI connection
S-Translator integrated in to multiple apps like e-mail and the stock browser
Smart Pause/Smart Scroll to use your eyes to control the device
All the existing motion and voice controls Samsung provides in TW
Air View to expand content by hovering your finger over it
A display you can use with gloves on
S Voice Drive which maximizes the size of what's displayed and allows motion and voice to control things you use when driving
Optical Reader integrated in to stock apps to import data via the camera
S Health to track weight, blood pressure, exercise, etc.
I'll take a stab at the One's advantages over the SGS4. For the sake of discussion assume the SGS4 being compared against is an LTE version running S-600 too. Things like LCD vs. AMOLED and Sense vs. TW are obviously based on personal preference.
Beautiful all-aluminum unibody design
LCD display with bright realistic colors
Sense’s more aesthetically pleasing appearance
UltraPixels (better low light performance)
Dual front facing speakers
Zoe
BlinkFeed
It’s not made by Samsung (for the haters )
Other than Zoe and BlinkFeed Sense 5 is carry over from earlier versions. Even LG's doing a lot more with s/w than HTC. The lack of s/w features, whether they are real or gimmicks, is going to hurt the One with the masses who like "more" rather than less; especially at the same price.
LG already offers several special apps on its Android smartphones, like QSlide for viewing two apps at once on a device's display and QRemote for controlling home entertainment gear. Today LG expanded is software offerings with another new feature dubbed "Smart Video." According to LG, Smart Video takes advantage of eye recognition technology to track a user's eye movements while he or she is watching a video and, when it detects that user isn't looking at the device's display, it will pause the clip automatically. Playback will resume when the device detects that the user is once again looking at the screen. LG says that Smart Video will be rolled out soon as part of a Value Pack update. In addition to Smart Video, the Value Pack will include a Dual Camera feature that will take photos using the front and back cameras simultaneously, Magic Remote Keypad and Text Keypad additions to the QRemote app, Video Pause/Resume that will allow users to stop and start while capturing a video to create one continuous clip, and a set of color emoticons. The Smart LED Lighting surrounding the LG Optimus G Pro's physical home button will also be updated to allow users to assign colors to specific contacts.
Toleraen said:
Removable storage is pretty much the key reason for me. I really don't understand why manufacturers chose not to include such an obvious feature in their devices...
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I don't understand this storage business if the minimum available storage option for a phone is 32GB?
How many things do most people put on their phones? All the people I know who own a GS3 have a 16GB model with no micro SD card and they continuously make the lack of expandable storage on recent phones a big deal.
At the moment I have no idea which one I want more, I will likely get the GS4 because HTC One has a good chance at not showing up on Verizon. (entirely Verizon's fault though, looks like Verizon has been screwing over HTC for quite awhile recently, the lack of expandable storage was due to Verizon not HTC on the DNA; and the One's availability looks like to be another Verizon issue; I also am pretty positive for it developement being slightly better than the DNA since it is multicarrier)
I do really like the GS4 though, it's design was something I did not like on the GS3 either though.
TingTingin said:
Your intentions may be pure but you can't expect commentors to follow suit you'll be bombarded with opinions and border line exaggerations u should try android general
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This is one of the least trolly forums. Go hang on youtube for a while, the bottom of the internet comments there..