Will the Nexus Prime smash the SGS2? - General Topics

From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/

robt772000 said:
From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
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It depends on how it all comes together. A higher quality 5mp camera could produce better results that our 8mp camera so that doesn't scare me. More power is always good. A pure Google phone is always good from a latest and greatest perspective. It's also guaranteed to have NFC which is good.
The screen kind of scares me. My SGS2 screen (an early build) is great but there have been lots of reported QC issues, wide variations in color temperature, the gradient issue, and the left side banding issue. Pushing even more pixels to get to 720p is going to be tough to pull off based on the challenges they experienced in the jump from SAMOLED to SAMOLED+.
The radio's important and I wouldn't go back to something lower than 21MB HSPA+. I doubt it'll support any form of LTE because there are too many frequencies to contend with.
So count me as a "maybe."

Thanks for responding. I am not so sure either. That's why a discussion is a great place to start. Hopefully it will smash the new Iphone.
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/22/google-nexus-prime-processor-detailed/

It all seems over the edge to me. From looking at the previous releases of google phones starting from Nexus One which consisted similar specs to the desire, and the nexus S which again has the similar specs to the Galaxy S, infact they shared the same chipsets. I'm not implying that the prime would indeed carry the similarities of the GS2 on that behalf but maybe not too far off.
An improved build of the AMOLED+ screen with all the banding issue and etc gone (I doubt it'll be 720p either). I'd say yes to dual core and maybe 1.5ghz (why not?). 5mp camera, (really?) I doubt they'd go anything below an 8mp due to competitvity and yes yes we all know that the cmos sensor makes all the difference but most people prefer figures rather than facts which is where the target audience usually lies (consider iphone 5 being the biggest role in competitiveness here).
All in all any specs that surpasses the GS2 is a path to the right direction although it's too early to judge since quad core is only around the corner, so time will tell. I personally wouldn't buy a google phone; my list of reasons would stuff this whole thread.

Next Nexus will also be google with bare basic OS , that means no awesome Samsung media codecs.
Also Nexus S had no external sdcard only 16gigs build in.
Only time will show how crippled its gonna be, sure certain aspects might be better depending who is gonna make it, CPU/GPU might be better , 720p AMOLED screen would be nice or at very least some decked out IPS panel.
Generally nexus devices never been better then some alternatives , but its subjective everyone has different needs. I am more interested in next Galaxy successor !

Yes the galaxy 3 will be a huge step. I think that all the codec support on this device is amazing. The nexus s was OK but destroyed by the s2. The next nexus probably won't beat the s2 when you look at the previous steps taken.
Samsungs software this year has been excellent. It's one of the few devices with duel core being optimised well. Will vanilla android be optimised? Probably not.

nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
EDIT: haah i meant nexus prime , thanks robt772000

blickmanic said:
nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
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Nexus Prime

tl;dr
Nexus "Prime" will be a very good phone (atleast I can hope so!). But even if it smashes GS2, no shame in that. By all accounts, Prime would be released 6+ months after GS2, so it would be a shame if it can't beat GS2.
I am worried about few other points which you guys might have better knowledge:
1. How would be the application support for Ice cream? Will it be compatible with 2.x application?
2. What would be native/suggested resolution and form factor of displays? I assume that it's 480*800 for 2.x models. Is that going to change with Ice cream?
3. What would happen to Honeycomb? Ice cream is supposed to be across both tablets and phones? So, it appears to me that HC was just a stop-gap arrangement to allow android foot-hold in the tablet market.
4. What sort of processors are they going to support? My assumption was that HC was typically made compatible with Tegra2 and the primary reason why it sucked initially. I would bet that if HC ran on Exynos with Samsung optimized drivers, it would be much better than what it is now.
Most people tend think the battle would be with iOS, my idea is that the biggest threat for Ice cream will be from Microsoft!
Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.

My only real concern is the screen quality, the SAMOLED plus is inferior to the regular SAMOLED due to its massive banding and QC issues, for day to day use theres basically no difference between both, For pictures the SAMOLED made some pictures prettier because it was not able to display the flaws/image compression artifacts, color is better on the Plus though. All in all it boils down to the screen quality for me.

robt772000 said:
From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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All that and probably no micro sd card slot again.

Most definitely. It's the Big G's OFFICIAL phone. And should it have this epic HD-high-resolution 4.0" or 4.3" display. It'll blow the GS2 away. Not to mention whatever minor processor improvements there will be.
Also it'll be rocking 4.0 - K.O - Game Set Match.
Anyhows, I'm just happy they're continuing the Nexus range, because it really is something that showcases Android and combats iOS and that really brings the best of the best to the table. (well so far it has)........well not really with the Nexus S, but that is still a damn good phone. But this Nexus Prime looks like it's going to be another Nexus One, ground-breaking.

rd_nest said:
Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/

daivik said:
hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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Yes, both MS and Apple are trying to unify the platforms. My view is that Apple will again try to keep that niche segment and their loyal user base. MS, like Google will license their software to other vendors. The whole scenario sounds similar to what happened in the desktop space 20 years back. History repeating itself - we have Apple on one side and MS/Google with a different approach on other. Players like IBM and Compaq making way for present day vendors like Samsung/Nokia etc.,

Ho well, I won't be surprised if in a year from now, with dual core 2ghz ARMs and 1+ gig of ram in phones we will see windows 8 running on smartphones with metro UI on top... If it runs on a tab, it'll run on a smartpone. Hell the SGS2 is crushing any tablet currently, it's just sad that all the SGS are always given unused potential (remember the sgx540 on sgs1, and now exynos mali400 on sgs2). But hey that's what makes them future proof, we'll still see SGS1 running new games and apps in a year or two.
I liked android for the customization and liberty it gave me, but I pretty much ran around it both on tablet (transformer) and phone (SGS1 &2) and I think that my next gen of devices will be wp7.5 mango (if the WP7 SGS2 ever comes out!) and then wp8 stuff late 2012.
Honestly I think the current tab market is just ****ting his pants at windows 8's arrival, because frankly, no iOS or honeycomb can rival win8's functionalities, if it runs smooth of course... (win 8 transformer 2 ).
Standing from here I really see MS as the big winner of following years. Android had 2 years to evolve into something really productive, yet it didn't really came there and still has a lesser quality catalog compared to the app store. But who knows what ICS will bring ? we can only wait.

Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.

It depends on what hardware it will have.
If it will boast a Qualcomm Krait, then it will blow it away. If it uses anything else, then no, it might be slightly faster performance wise, but that's all. The only thing going for it will be the 720p screen, but we still don't know the size of the display or what type it will be.
L Eric said:
Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
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It's supposed to have a ginormous screen, so think bigger than 4.3" of the SGS2. I don't think it will surpass the DPI of the retina display even at 720p or at that screen size.

If it doesn't surpass SII in every spec then it will be just another SII. You will have to make compromises between a lower mp camera or no card slot, etc. If it beats SII in every section then yes, it will blow it away.

Samsung Nexus for Me
Winner is
Around 2.5x higher resolution screen, 1280x720 vs 800x480
Around 50% crisper display of text, images and video, 315 PPI vs 217 PPI
More than 10% larger screen, 4.6" vs 4.3"

i will go for Nexus !!

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The Ultimate Phone

In light of the controversy over Nexus S I thought I would see what everyone else thought a phone branded Nexus should be. Before anyone gets to crazy, here are the guide lines:
1) who builds it
2) nothing that is not produced or not going to be produced: aka- "Star Wars in true 3D holograms and a transporter from Star Trek" talk about things that DO exsist like 10 megapixel cameras with flash, accepts 32g class 10 cards, front facing camera, roms, android version, etc.
3)Why
4)Try to explain why there is not this device
That's it, build your Nexus fantasy, and question why we can't have it!
My Dream Nexus
Okay, well I have been thinking about this for a while now, what I would like in a phone, not necessarily a Nexus, and this is what I have come up with. Please understand that I haven't used an Android phone (although I am getting a Galaxy S for Christmas, have found them cheap on eBay from people giving them up for Nexus S' ) so some of this may be irrelevant.
1) Well, to be honest, I don't care who makes it, as long as it is reliable and sturdy. I love the design of the HTC 1 (concept by Andrew Kim, Google it, I can't post links or pictures unfortunately), and it seems to fit HTC's recent designs, so I may as well go with HTC, having played with a Desire and Wildfire, I can't fault the quality.
2) In my mind, I can't see much technology that could be incorporated into a new device that isn't out currently. I think an 8MP camera (large sensor size of course) is about as much as most people will need. A choice of 32/64 GB internal storage seems reasonable, with the option of using a MicroSDHC card up to 32GB. As for processors, I would probably choose that tri-core processor I heard about a while ago (can't remember it's name for the life of me) that had 2 multimedia/powerful cores and one lower clocked core for other tasks, paired with 1GB of RAM, allowing for the future, because with all of this, hopefully it would be at the top for a long time. A screen size of about 4 inches seems perfect, having used an iPod Touch and tested out a Galaxy S and a HD2, preferably with SuperAMOLED(2?). A front facing camera (1.3mp), and all the current sensors would be included. As for connectivity, Wireless N is standard, but you could get this phone in several versions, a HSPA+ version, LTE or WiMAX, to cater for your network of choice, and at a stretch, combine them all into one to have a mega-worldwide phone . Now, the biggest improvement area: batteries. I would definitely have a large capacity battery, at least 1500ma, but possibly even using new technology to make it last longer, such as using Tobacco Mosaic Virus to boost battery life 10x (I read this on Gizmodo today). Thats about all I can think of for hardware, with all of that, you really need decent software, and that's where the fun really begins.
Software is a tricky area in my mind for the Nexus line, being more of a developer type of phone, it should be easy to root and customise everything, installing new ROMs should be painless, and safe, with no risk, similar in a way to an iOS jailbreak (just hit restore in iTunes etc). But, as Andrew Kim mentioned when he did his HTC 1 concept, hardware and software need to be unified. This is where a Nexus could excell, being a Google phone and running stock Android. But to do that, I think the UI needs to become more consistent, much more consistent. Go and look at the HTC 1 concept now on the Design Fabulous website/blog, and find the messaging app mockup. It uses similar shades of grey and black to the phone itself, making it appear seemless, and even beautiful. Yes this would mean giving Android a completely different look, like going from WM6.x to WP7. And remove those buttons, for crying out loud, you have a beautiful touchscreen just there, it should be used! Have 2 buttons, a Home and Menu, integrate the Back option into the UI like in iOS, search could be accessed by holding down/double tapping Home and then the Menu key could be used for the next major shift.
(EDIT: Can't post images, sorry, but please search Google Images for 'windows phone 7 app associated press' and it should be the first image there)
Yes, this is a picture of an app in WP7, but that's not the point. I tried out WP7 the other day, and I found it a refreshing way of using a device. It looked good and was consistent. But I am drifting off, the Menu key. Look at the picture above, look to the left, and see the categories. Imagine that as all the app's options/menu, like pressing the Menu key currently does, as well as anything else. You could swipe through the different screens to get to it (using the screen, like I went on about before), or, similar to getting back to the first page of apps on iOS, press the Menu key to zoom back there. Simple and elegant in my opinion. Implement a similar look and feel across the whole system, and you have some mighty fine software indeed, but for those who wouldn't like it, with the option of installing one of the many ROMs available without any risk.
3) Why? Well, we are a consumer society, with many phones getting replaced in a year or less, and sometimes just being thrown out, we waste so many materials. By providing solid, useful and top of the line hardware, the need to upgrade becomes less as it would take longer to become outdated. I believe software is the key to a platform, and I am not alone in thinking that. That is where the real innovation comes from, so with a standardised Nexus there could be so much innovation coming from users such as the people here at XDA. Most of the hardware is probably available today, if not in the near future, so it is more an evolutionary step, but I will say that the tri-core processor is for more battery life and more power when needed, and the RAM allowing for better multitasking and futureproofing. And I would just love to own a phone looking like the HTC 1 concept, it is awesome and many friends I have shown it to think the same (they aren't techies either).
4) Why can't we have it? Well, I don't actually know why. The only things I can think of which probably isn't in production are: a) the tri-core processor, but dual-cores are in production now or in the next few weeks I imagine, b) SuperAMOLED(2?), mainly because it's Samsung's tech and this would be built by HTC and c) the multiple connectivity radio with HSPA+, LTE and WiMAX probably isn't being developed as of now, maybe not for another year until these networks become more common.
It is the software side of things which puzzles me, but I'm sure it is coming. Someone just has to take this idea with them, and go for gold. I would like to do that personally, but I need to learn how to code better, a lot better. (I joined XDA for inspiration ) I think this UI would work well, and be powerful, elegant and simple at the same time, helping to bring Android into the public as being easy to use and better than Apple's offerings (a tough task, but I would like to think it possible, note I am not an Android fanboy, neither do I hate Apple, but change is good).
Wow, that is a lot of writing... I hope this is acceptable, I would love to have a device like this myself, I think it would be possible in the next 6 months maybe? I am curious to see what others would like, bring on more ideas!
mcsinny99 said:
In light of the controversy over Nexus S I thought I would see what everyone else thought a phone branded Nexus should be. Before anyone gets to crazy, here are the guide lines:
1) who builds it
2) nothing that is not produced or not going to be produced: aka- "Star Wars in true 3D holograms and a transporter from Star Trek" talk about things that DO exsist like 10 megapixel cameras with flash, accepts 32g class 10 cards, front facing camera, roms, android version, etc.
3)Why
4)Try to explain why there is not this device
That's it, build your Nexus fantasy, and question why we can't have it!
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I believe thats this is just a useless post. U ask people to xplain their fantasies but dont include phones not or never will be built?!
plainly put there is n never will be any ultimate phone since whatever u buy now is obsolete in 2 months.
@ OP
Post something more productive. There are other places u can go to post ur wishes n dreams.
kaivish said:
I believe thats this is just a useless post. U ask people to xplain their fantasies but dont include phones not or never will be built?!
plainly put there is n never will be any ultimate phone since whatever u buy now is obsolete in 2 months.
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I'm sorry, but I think you may have misunderstood the point about no Star Trek stuff. Reasonable fantasies would probably be a better way of thinking of it, maybe something you could get within the next few years. Yes, phones will be obsolete within months of release, but as I mentioned in my post, I think software is the real contender in the future, so once you have a decent specced phone, the software can do the rest.
I'm personally interested in what people want from a phone which isn't out already. So if you think this isn't productive, you don't have to read it. I think some good stuff could come out of here, and you never know, Google or HTC could be listening
1) built by samsung
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
3) because why shouldnt we have tech this awesome , and if you think about it , most laptops would e obsolete if this were true , along with point and shoot cameras
4)Cost, cost of manufacture , cost of retail, too much R&D would be needed , to many other products would become obsolete, this to would need to be released quickly , or have 3.0 loaded onto it when it becomes readily available.
and can i have it by christmas please santa ??
CPU:
Snapdragon QSD8672 (1.5GHz Dualcore)
RAM:
1024MB DDR2 Mobile RAM (Elpida Produced)
GPU:
256MB nVidia Tegra GPU
Storage:
OS/Applications: 2048MB SSD
External Storage: 32GB MicroSD
Imaging
5MP Main Camera (Any does me tbh)
Sound
Bluetooth Cochlear Implant w/ Induction Charging Circuit
Screen/s
Wrist Display - Subdermal LCD w/ Single Action Touch Sensor and Induction Charging Circuit - http://www.gearfuse.com/subdermal-implant-watch-tattoo/
Main Screen - WSVGA Touch Screen
Power
5x 250A Lithium Ion Polymer Cells using Cell Balancing
Location Services
GPS
Accelerometer
Digital Compass
Altimeter
Connectivity
Micro USB 3.0
WiFi
HSDPA
3G
GPRS
the usual basically...
Would be my ultimate like
dom.l said:
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
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Sounds decent I like your thinking!
dom.l said:
1) built by samsung
2)3.8" super AMOLED screen with a resolution of 1024x720 for a true HD display and 329 PPI(pixels per inch). a 1.2Ghz dual-core orion processor, Nvidia GPU,samsungs own NFC chip included in the nexus S, 2.3 Gingerbread ,10MP continual Auto-focus camera that can record at 720p, maximum microSD card is 32GB class 6, 16GB on-board storage,unlocked bootloader for easy loading of ROM's,1.3MP front facing camera, hardware camera shutter button, contour display, choice of stock 2.3 launcher or Touchwiz 3.0 launcher.
3) because why shouldnt we have tech this awesome , and if you think about it , most laptops would e obsolete if this were true , along with point and shoot cameras
4)Cost, cost of manufacture , cost of retail, too much R&D would be needed , to many other products would become obsolete, this to would need to be released quickly , or have 3.0 loaded onto it when it becomes readily available.
and can i have it by christmas please santa ??
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@3) That is my theory as well. But why not fire a shot across the bow of other manufacturers? Set the bar higher and watch them scramble to catch up?
2) In my mind, I can't see much technology that could be incorporated into a new device that isn't out currently. I think an 8MP camera (large sensor size of course) is about as much as most people will need. A choice of 32/64 GB internal storage seems reasonable, with the option of using a MicroSDHC card up to 32GB. As for processors, I would probably choose that tri-core processor I heard about a while ago (can't remember it's name for the life of me) that had 2 multimedia/powerful cores and one lower clocked core for other tasks, paired with 1GB of RAM, allowing for the future, because with all of this, hopefully it would be at the top for a long time. A screen size of about 4 inches seems perfect, having used an iPod Touch and tested out a Galaxy S and a HD2, preferably with SuperAMOLED(2?). A front facing camera (1.3mp), and all the current sensors would be included. As for connectivity, Wireless N is standard, but you could get this phone in several versions, a HSPA+ version, LTE or WiMAX, to cater for your network of choice, and at a stretch, combine them all into one to have a mega-worldwide phone . Now, the biggest improvement area: batteries. I would definitely have a large capacity battery, at least 1500ma, but possibly even using new technology to make it last longer, such as using Tobacco Mosaic Virus to boost battery life 10x (I read this on Gizmodo today). Thats about all I can think of for hardware, with all of that, you really need decent software, and that's where the fun really begins.
Software is a tricky area in my mind for the Nexus line, being more of a developer type of phone, it should be easy to root and customise everything, installing new ROMs should be painless, and safe, with no risk, similar in a way to an iOS jailbreak (just hit restore in iTunes etc). But, as Andrew Kim mentioned when he did his HTC 1 concept, hardware and software need to be unified. This is where a Nexus could excell, being a Google phone and running stock Android. But to do that, I think the UI needs to become more consistent, much more consistent. Go and look at the HTC 1 concept now on the Design Fabulous website/blog, and find the messaging app mockup. It uses similar shades of grey and black to the phone itself, making it appear seemless, and even beautiful. Yes this would mean giving Android a completely different look, like going from WM6.x to WP7. And remove those buttons, for crying out loud, you have a beautiful touchscreen just there, it should be used! Have 2 buttons, a Home and Menu, integrate the Back option into the UI like in iOS, search could be accessed by holding down/double tapping Home and then the Menu key could be used for the next major shift.
(EDIT: Can't post images, sorry, but please search Google Images for 'windows phone 7 app associated press' and it should be the first image there)
Yes, this is a picture of an app in WP7, but that's not the point. I tried out WP7 the other day, and I found it a refreshing way of using a device. It looked good and was consistent. But I am drifting off, the Menu key. Look at the picture above, look to the left, and see the categories. Imagine that as all the app's options/menu, like pressing the Menu key currently does, as well as anything else. You could swipe through the different screens to get to it (using the screen, like I went on about before), or, similar to getting back to the first page of apps on iOS, press the Menu key to zoom back there. Simple and elegant in my opinion. Implement a similar look and feel across the whole system, and you have some mighty fine software indeed, but for those who wouldn't like it, with the option of installing one of the many ROMs available without any risk.
3) Why? Well, we are a consumer society, with many phones getting replaced in a year or less, and sometimes just being thrown out, we waste so many materials. By providing solid, useful and top of the line hardware, the need to upgrade becomes less as it would take longer to become outdated. I believe software is the key to a platform, and I am not alone in thinking that. That is where the real innovation comes from, so with a standardised Nexus there could be so much innovation coming from users such as the people here at XDA. Most of the hardware is probably available today, if not in the near future, so it is more an evolutionary step, but I will say that the tri-core processor is for more battery life and more power when needed, and the RAM allowing for better multitasking and futureproofing. And I would just love to own a phone looking like the HTC 1 concept, it is awesome and many friends I have shown it to think the same (they aren't techies either).
4) Why can't we have it? Well, I don't actually know why. The only things I can think of which probably isn't in production are: a) the tri-core processor, but dual-cores are in production now or in the next few weeks I imagine, b) SuperAMOLED(2?), mainly because it's Samsung's tech and this would be built by HTC and c) the multiple connectivity radio with HSPA+, LTE and WiMAX probably isn't being developed as of now, maybe not for another year until these networks become more common.
It is the software side of things which puzzles me, but I'm sure it is coming. Someone just has to take this idea with them, and go for gold. I would like to do that personally, but I need to learn how to code better, a lot better. (I joined XDA for inspiration ) I think this UI would work well, and be powerful, elegant and simple at the same time, helping to bring Android into the public as being easy to use and better than Apple's offerings (a tough task, but I would like to think it possible, note I am not an Android fanboy, neither do I hate Apple, but change is good).
Wow, that is a lot of writing... I hope this is acceptable, I would love to have a device like this myself, I think it would be possible in the next 6 months maybe? I am curious to see what others would like, bring on more ideas![/QUOTE]
Great post, I agree with most of what you have to say, but I feel wp7 is behind in ui. Take that home screen that just plainly wastes 1/3 of the screen. Sure, android phones could loose those buttons, but I still think it's a step ahead of the competition. The slick ui concept http://phandroid.com/2010/10/25/slick-ui-promising-look-at-an-android-home-screen-replacement-app/ may be a step towards that htc 1 concept (WOW, btw, had not seen that- http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html) that we will get soon. Seems people just don't like the idea of those permanent screen buttons. I am coming around myself.
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Great post, I agree with most of what you have to say, but I feel wp7 is behind in ui. Take that home screen that just plainly wastes 1/3 of the screen. Sure, android phones could loose those buttons, but I still think it's a step ahead of the competition. The slick ui concept http://phandroid.com/2010/10/25/slick-ui-promising-look-at-an-android-home-screen-replacement-app/ may be a step towards that htc 1 concept (WOW, btw, had not seen that- http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html) that we will get soon. Seems people just don't like the idea of those permanent screen buttons. I am coming around myself.
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I have to agree the homescreen doesn't make total use of the space, but I guess it helps make it look less cluttered, however that is personal. What I meant about WP7 was the different approach to apps, specifically the side scrolling nature of everything.
I love watching the reactions of people who look at the HTC 1 concept, every single person I have shown it to so far has just kinda said either I want one now or wow... Rather interesting to see
As for the buttons, I am undecided personally. I can see the use of having more, but I am starting to like simpler, less cluttered looks myself. I guess in that respect the Galaxy S International is half ground, having one hard button and two capacitive, which you don't really notice too much if they're not lit up.
1. Does not matter, until it is high quality and not cheap plastic.
2.
- [at least] 4" sAMOLED display (or even IPS) with standard 480x800 resolution
Buttons should be:
- Camera and power on the right side
- Volume on the left side
- Menu, back, home buttons under the screen (preferably touch buttons)
- The latest Tegra2 dual-core CPU what performs at 2GHz max, and the best mobile 3d acceleration too
- High capacity but thin battery (1600mAh)
- 12Mp camera on the back, at least 3.2Mp camera on front (or something like the Adam, a rotate-able camera ontop) with dual xenon-led flash (and of course separate control, so they can be used separately)
- Projector on top part of the phone
- 1024MB RAM, 1024MB ROM(formatted for 512-512MB), dedicated 256MB SWAP, internal 16/32GB memcard, support for SDXC cards (capacity up to 2048GB)
- Bluetooth 3.0, USB 3.0, NFC, WLAN b/g/n, DLNA support, 4G support, USB Host functions
- Android OS of course, bumped with a nice slick UI, made by real designers, not some manufacturer (actually, Samsung is pretty good in these stuffs)
- Open system (no secure bootloader, etc) if you want it
3. Why? Because as a dev phone, developers needs the BEST device to test. If the stuff runs OK on the best, it should run properly on all other. Of course, device spec fragmentation is huge, we can't make all manufacturers to use the same CPU, motherboard, radio part, etc. That's where WinPhone7 failed great.
And also, let's provide something for the money they ask for a "smart phone". My current ZTE Blade knows a lot more than the HTC Legend, but costs half or even third of the money (here in Hungary a Legend costs around 90.000HUF, what is approx. 400-500$. The Blade, while it has more cocoa in it, costs around 200$). That's not right!
4. Why can't we have it?
That's easy. Manufacturers want people to buy their new phone when it comes out. Even if it costs a lot. They won't make an "Ultimate Phone", because then after everyone bought his/her own one, there would be no need of new stocks, and done. This way, they always keep up the interest for a slightly new phone (like Nexus S, a dumber Galaxy S, with Gingerbread), just to earn the highest profit with the lowest cost involved. The manufacturer who makes the "Ultimate Phone" would get rich at first sight, then until something more Ultimate is released, they just don't have income. See what I mean? Manufacturers use the first, big boom to earn back all the money they spent for "improvements" while selling almost the same phones. Just like Samsung as I said, or Nokia (N97 and N97 Mini, N8 and E7), or Sony Ericsson (X10, X10 pro; X10 mini, X10 mini pro; Vivaz, Satio, Vivaz Pro). Slight improvements, huge incomes.
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4. Why can't we have it?
That's easy. Manufacturers want people to buy their new phone when it comes out. Even if it costs a lot. They won't make an "Ultimate Phone", because then after everyone bought his/her own one, there would be no need of new stocks, and done. This way, they always keep up the interest for a slightly new phone (like Nexus S, a dumber Galaxy S, with Gingerbread), just to earn the highest profit with the lowest cost involved. The manufacturer who makes the "Ultimate Phone" would get rich at first sight, then until something more Ultimate is released, they just don't have income. See what I mean? Manufacturers use the first, big boom to earn back all the money they spent for "improvements" while selling almost the same phones. Just like Samsung as I said, or Nokia (N97 and N97 Mini, N8 and E7), or Sony Ericsson (X10, X10 pro; X10 mini, X10 mini pro; Vivaz, Satio, Vivaz Pro). Slight improvements, huge incomes.
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That's definitely a solid reason, and as much as we/consumers don't like it, the big companies will undoubtedly keep doing the same, just to stay in business. Still, I can see it being half possible if a manufacturer like made half-ground or something
Read these old posts made me lol 1600mAh high capacity lol I do not that was even high capacity when this topic was made!,OK here is my Ultimate phone for 2010 5.2in 940x560 LCD IPS display,SoC a custom One we well call t186 it has 4 A9-cortex core clocked at 1.6Ghz and a powerVR SXG543MP6 GPU with 2GB of LPDDR2 RAM,battery a 3500mAh battery,OS android honey comb 3.4,camera 10 megapixel rear camera 2mp front camera now that is a phone my friends!
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Read these old posts made me lol 1600mAh high capacity lol I do not that was even high capacity when this topic was made!,OK here is my Ultimate phone for 2010 5.2in 940x560 LCD IPS display,SoC a custom One we well call t186 it has 4 A9-cortex core clocked at 1.6Ghz and a powerVR SXG543MP6 GPU with 2GB of LPDDR2 RAM,battery a 3500mAh battery,OS android honey comb 3.4,camera 10 megapixel rear camera 2mp front camera now that is a phone my friends!
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That's not even close to the s5 and note 4... lol... year old phone.
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That's not even close to the s5 and note 4... lol... year old phone.
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And actually the GPU would be more powerful the SGS5...
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[Q] What would you like to see most in next gen WP7 devices

Wp7 devices have been reasonable but obviously missing a few things, i feel i have had to settle for 2nd best. dont get me wrong, the OS is great but hardware wise i feel a little bit cheated, so ive already decided, my next WP7 phone will have something a little extra and completely fulfill my demands next time. what is the thing you want most in the next gen wp7/8 device??? any other suggestions welcome but im starting with 5.
How can YOU decide what your next WP7 will have before they've even been announced? For all we know, there will be no future hardware upgrades, as the OS is running flawlessly on the current technology. Sure, in theory it would be nice to have more memory, a better CPU, a better GPU , etc. But if WP7 doesn't like it, Manufacturers will never release it.
Should be more along the lines of what people would LIKE to see in future devices.
simple. if the next gen of wp7 dosnt have any of these features. i wont be buying a new one.
Honestly, I want parity with the highest end Android phone...JUST for the sake of specs. The OS is smooth enough, so it certainly doesn't REQUIRE so much horsepower...but Android-loving friends will always boast about the specs...
Anyways, hardware-wise, a dual-core Qualcomm SoC, with a high-quality 8 megapixel camera, FHD recording, a YELLOW flash (and I don't care about front-facing camera, but it would be nice to get a more than 1MP camera on the front as well), and physical buttons are a must. Right now I have the LG Optimus 7, so I would expect the same industrial design or better in a next-gen phone. And anything under 32GB storage is unacceptable. 1GB RAM would be nice too for when you want 10-20 tabs open ( I use metro browser ). I have tried 5 WP7 phones, each for about a week, and I can subjectively say the size of the screen on the Optimus 7 is near ideal. I want a 100mm (3.94 in) IPS screen on my next phone...
OK, I am done ranting. Oh wait, a price under $500 is also appreciated, since I tend to NOT get contracts.
And Microsoft, seriously, I live like 2 hours away from your campus in Washington, but in Canada. The world is NOT just USA. Bing features, as well as other localized features should be available in Canada at the same time as US. I can understand Zune Pass (CRTC...those bastards), but anything else is INEXCUSABLE!!!
I would expect WP8 to have all of the above as minimum system requirements.
I would want CDMA carriers (Verizon mainly) to have Window Phone 7 models before any new models come out. I want one but, I am getting sick of waiting just to get good coverage on a phone.
Maybe S-AMOLED Plus (that acronym needs an acronym).
4g, that is the one feature I definitely want on the next generation WP devices. I am in no rush for dual cores just because I know that Microsoft will probably provide good drivers enough to make it even more fluid. I really don't care about the other things (more storage would be nice though).
kapanak said:
Honestly, I want parity with the highest end Android phone...JUST for the sake of specs. The OS is smooth enough, so it certainly doesn't REQUIRE so much horsepower...but Android-loving friends will always boast about the specs...
Anyways, hardware-wise, a dual-core Qualcomm SoC, with a high-quality 8 megapixel camera, FHD recording, a YELLOW flash (and I don't care about front-facing camera, but it would be nice to get a more than 1MP camera on the front as well), and physical buttons are a must. Right now I have the LG Optimus 7, so I would expect the same industrial design or better in a next-gen phone. And anything under 32GB storage is unacceptable. 1GB RAM would be nice too for when you want 10-20 tabs open ( I use metro browser ). I have tried 5 WP7 phones, each for about a week, and I can subjectively say the size of the screen on the Optimus 7 is near ideal. I want a 100mm (3.94 in) IPS screen on my next phone...
OK, I am done ranting. Oh wait, a price under $500 is also appreciated, since I tend to NOT get contracts.
And Microsoft, seriously, I live like 2 hours away from your campus in Washington, but in Canada. The world is NOT just USA. Bing features, as well as other localized features should be available in Canada at the same time as US. I can understand Zune Pass (CRTC...those bastards), but anything else is INEXCUSABLE!!!
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as much as i like your spec list for the future of windows phone... do you really see all of that coming in at under $500?
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I would expect WP8 to have all of the above as minimum system requirements.
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So basically if MS follows your train of thought all the earlier adapters to the game would be SOL
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as much as i like your spec list for the future of windows phone... do you really see all of that coming in at under $500?
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From reading this section of the forums I thought Android was something you throw on a cheap, why are you complaining about the cost?
Apple is going multi core, so Microsoft has no choice but to introduce multi core phones this year if they want to continue this.
Also looks like FFC is now the standard on the major players devices.
1080 recording should be on the list too.
Everything else I want is mainly software related.
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Also looks like FFC is now the standard on the major players devices.
1080 recording should be on the list too.
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I would gladly take a phone without a FFC. If I wanted to video chat someone, I would tell them to use a computer.
1080p is only on dual core and as long as the quality is good.
A better UI interface!
How about a port to connect to my Zune docking stations? Could probably replace the microUSB.
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MS should buy Nokia out, and start making their own phones(ZuneHD like)
high end phones all the way!
-Dual core processor: Cool but probably unnecessary considering how well optimized WP7 is on a single core 1Ghz.
-Better GPU: Would love to see more powerful GPUs in the future. Xbox Live Games need it to beat out iOS and the next PSP! If Epic can make a game as gorgeous as Infinity Blade for the iPhone and not WP7, Microsoft has fallen behind. (I voted for this one)
-Front Facing Camera: Only worthwhile if Skype ever makes an app. Besides that I still don't see much of a point.
-4G: Always a welcome addition, but I don't want it if it's going to adversely affect battery life.
-At least 32GB NAND: High quality NAND memory is still not that cheap, so I think the minimum should be 16GB (that's more than most people would ever need).
also voted for GPU, since this MS's mobile gaming rig. or so they said
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-Better GPU: Would love to see more powerful GPUs in the future. Xbox Live Games need it to beat out iOS and the next PSP! If Epic can make a game as gorgeous as Infinity Blade for the iPhone and not WP7, Microsoft has fallen behind. (I voted for this one)
-4G: Always a welcome addition, but I don't want it if it's going to adversely affect battery life.
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Good luck with the PSP thing, apparently the PSP2 is just as powerful as the current PS3. If Microsoft can make their next generation of WP7 phones better than that, I would be more than impressed.
Depends on the technology really and coverage.
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I would gladly take a phone without a FFC. If I wanted to video chat someone, I would tell them to use a computer.
1080p is only on dual core and as long as the quality is good.
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1080p is a terrible thing to want in a phone. look at file sizes of 720p. then consider post-processing, editing, and emailing/uploading somewhere.
check out some of the forums that deal with shooting amatuer action (motorcycling/bicycling/bowling/whatever) in HD and see what they're saying. 1080p is nuts. if we're not careful we'll end up with no option for lower quality, and a 5 second clip that is 75Mb !
that's all
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-Dual core processor: Cool but probably unnecessary considering how well optimized WP7 is on a single core 1Ghz.
-Better GPU: Would love to see more powerful GPUs in the future. Xbox Live Games need it to beat out iOS and the next PSP! If Epic can make a game as gorgeous as Infinity Blade for the iPhone and not WP7, Microsoft has fallen behind. (I voted for this one)
-Front Facing Camera: Only worthwhile if Skype ever makes an app. Besides that I still don't see much of a point.
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Better GPU comes with dual cores. Multi core is mainly for media and gaming. The mobile gaming market is headed towards PC capabilities.
FFC, Skype purchased Qik. Don't know if they will make it to WP7 though. Me personally I don't care, but having the option to use a FFC means everything.

Google Nexus Prime specs!

Possible nexus prime specs:
CPU: Texas Instruments OMAP 4460 Cortex A9 (1,2 GHz).
Screen: 1280 x 720 Super AMOLED HD 4,65"
OS: Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich
RAM: 1 GB RAM
Int. Memory: 32 GB
Back Camera: 5 Mpix
Front Camera: 1,3 Mpix
Movie recording in full 1080p
Wireless connectivity: LTE or HSPA (depends on operator)
NFC enabled!
9 mm thin
1750 mAh battery!
Would you mind telling us your source?
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.
lgkahn said:
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
This makes the rest of this suspect as well.
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This is the original source from BGR.com:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/06/samsung-galaxy-nexus-full-specs-revealed-verizon-wireless-exclusive/
And your arguments about the camera specs are right, when you just look at the hype about megapixel. But the image sensor is much more important for the quality of a picture. So i would like it to see the nexus prime with a better sensor, and less mp.
If you are interested, you can search for "megapixel vs. image sensor"
http://www.laesieworks.com/digicom/MP.html
If your camera has to be a compact, be sure to get a big sensor (1/1.6" or 1/1.7") and not too much megapixels.
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Processor is 1.5 ghz dual core afaik, and camera is 8MP at back and 2 or 3 MP at front. Internal memory may not be 32gb , it will be 16gb.
Also battery is rumoured to be 1850 MHz.
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pretty fast battery
Well it will depend on the new android ics, how much it sucks battery out.
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lgkahn said:
i think this is crap.. no way they would go down on camera specs from 8mp in the galaxy s ii and all there competors to 5 mp.. most likely it will have 12 or 16 mp..
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Phones only really need 5mp. 8mp will make the picture larger, but that doesn't mean that it will be better.
Then again if you really want an amazing camera that also happens to make calls, then check out the Nokia N8. 12MP and a Carl Zeiss (SP?) on that bad boy...
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Phones only really need 5mp. 8mp will make the picture larger, but that doesn't mean that it will be better.
Then again if you really want an amazing camera that also happens to make calls, then check out the Nokia N8. 12MP and a Carl Zeiss (SP?) on that bad boy...
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Well I have actually used all three that are best in the business- samsung galaxy s 2, n8 and se arc se ARC has the best camera of all three and sg2 has also a better camera then n8 so 12 MP s don't really matter when u don't have optical zoom, the quality matter and arc outstands both sgs2 and n8 !
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A little disappointed with the hardware (processor was rumoured differently, for one) but it's still going to be one hell of a phone.
What i'd like to see:
I'd very much like if they'd stop making bigger screens. I really think 4'' was the sweet spot, nearly 5'' is... well, too big imo. I realize this may be a requirement for 1280 x 720-pixel res but i honestly believe my phone is big enough as it is (i own an SGS). Granted, higher resolution rules but... well, it's a phone, not a tablet.
I'd also like to see an SD card slot. I can't really see why not. Sure you already have 32Gb. More than enough for me as far as space goes, but i usually leave my phone downloading stuff over the night. SO much faster and easier to just take the card out and plugging in the computer in the morning than having all of that transferred over wireless again.
Android also has a few issues with sdcards (try setting an mp3 as your ringtone stored in the sd, removing, putting the card back in and get a call), but removing the slot completely isn't really a solution and it doesn't take that much space.
Aluminum instead of plastics. Or at least solid stuff for a lasting phone. Phones aren't meant to fall but shi* happens and i'd like my 500€ investment a bit better suited to survive. Don't really mind plastics though, they make my phone lighter, but i'd like some solid stuff for a change. At the very least, nothing as thin as the back cover of an SGS2, please. If we're doing plastics, i'm thinking the back cover of the iphone 3GS. Has a great solid feeling.
I don't care much for the camera. Only think i'd ask is decent, solid shots and that the sensor not to take much space in the back. Cameras usually spoil the design with a huge lump in the back. If it's glass could be made not to touch the surface of the table to prevent scratches, would be cool as well.
What i'd like to see is that great responsiveness to touch iphones have that android seems to lack, even on higher end devices. Sure they work great, but now and then android seems to skip a beat or just lag for 0.5 sec before registering touch. Lockscreens are particularly affected by this.
That said i have really high hopes for ICS. REALLY. I don't care much for competition (hey everyone should use whatever they like or suits them best) but android has always been a few steps ahead of iOS as far as complexity goes. This is a good thing, for me at least. I don't mean to offend anyone, but really, every time i need to use iOS i feel kind of retarded. Hand feeding me stuff that'd be obvious already just works against me. Apple didn't do much to add for that (seen loads of people disappointed, me included) so I honestly believe android can push it ahead once and for all.
My needs may be a bit different that the rest of the world, but i'd prefer some core improvements (like responsiveness improved and bug corrections) other than extra semi-useless new features (like voice control). That'd make for a more solid experience, imo. All that said, I'm kind of excited about this, might really be my next phone if it hits enough spots on my book.
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What i'd like to see:
I'd very much like if they'd stop making bigger screens. I really think 4'' was the sweet spot, nearly 5'' is... well, too big imo. I realize this may be a requirement for 1280 x 720-pixel res but i honestly believe my phone is big enough as it is (i own an SGS). Granted, higher resolution rules but... well, it's a phone, not a tablet.
I'd also like to see an SD card slot. I can't really see why not. Sure you already have 32Gb. More than enough for me as far as space goes, but i usually leave my phone downloading stuff over the night. SO much faster and easier to just take the card out and plugging in the computer in the morning than having all of that transferred over wireless again.
Android also has a few issues with sdcards (try setting an mp3 as your ringtone stored in the sd, removing, putting the card back in and get a call), but removing the slot completely isn't really a solution and it doesn't take that much space.
Aluminum instead of plastics. Or at least solid stuff for a lasting phone. Phones aren't meant to fall but shi* happens and i'd like my 500€ investment a bit better suited to survive. Don't really mind plastics though, they make my phone lighter, but i'd like some solid stuff for a change. At the very least, nothing as thin as the back cover of an SGS2, please. If we're doing plastics, i'm thinking the back cover of the iphone 3GS. Has a great solid feeling.
I don't care much for the camera. Only think i'd ask is decent, solid shots and that the sensor not to take much space in the back. Cameras usually spoil the design with a huge lump in the back. If it's glass could be made not to touch the surface of the table to prevent scratches, would be cool as well.
What i'd like to see is that great responsiveness to touch iphones have that android seems to lack, even on higher end devices. Sure they work great, but now and then android seems to skip a beat or just lag for 0.5 sec before registering touch. Lockscreens are particularly affected by this.
That said i have really high hopes for ICS. REALLY. I don't care much for competition (hey everyone should use whatever they like or suits them best) but android has always been a few steps ahead of iOS as far as complexity goes. This is a good thing, for me at least. I don't mean to offend anyone, but really, every time i need to use iOS i feel kind of retarded. Hand feeding me stuff that'd be obvious already just works against me. Apple didn't do much to add for that (seen loads of people disappointed, me included) so I honestly believe android can push it ahead once and for all.
My needs may be a bit different that the rest of the world, but i'd prefer some core improvements (like responsiveness improved and bug corrections) other than extra semi-useless new features (like voice control). That'd make for a more solid experience, imo. All that said, I'm kind of excited about this, might really be my next phone if it hits enough spots on my book.
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Good you pointed out about screen as many people including you have a little bit misunderstanding about bigger screens- a bigger screen doesn't mean a very big phone. they reduce the extra space from edges and boundaries to make screen big( give a nice look at sgs2 and sgs2 HD lte and you'll notice that sgs2 has a big home button which is more of a square whereas sgs2 hd lte has a mere small rectangle home button so they have reduced spaces for sure and also the small buttons will be till convinient to press), now the big fact in case of Samsung galaxy nexus or nexus prime is that it wont have those capacitive, back, menu ,home(mostly hard key) buttons, Those will be replaced by on screen buttons so more space reduced for bigger screen. All other things you pointed out will be made cleared once the ics and new device is itself released but about touch responsiveness - all smartphones these days have nearly same touch sensors which are gr8 but the thing which makes apple devices smoother and more responsive is GPU acceleration, which is very good in apple's ios then in android that's why many people were asking the Guy who got the ics equipped nexus s that ' did you feel gr8 touch responsiveness on your nexus s ?'. I am also looking forward to this event to know that will ics have gpu accelearion or not.
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Nexus Prime correct Specs
CORRECT SPECS:
http://www.gsmarena.com/source_close_to_google_reveals_real_nexus_prime_specs-news-3239.php
"According to our source, the device codenamed Nexus Prime is going to ship with Samsung's own chipset, with a blazingly fast dual-core processor clocked at 1.5GHz. But wait, there's more.
On that chipset will also reside a powerful dual-core GPU from Imagination. We suspect it's going to be the PowerVR SGX543MP2, or in other words, the same GPU found in the iPad 2 (and quite probably on the iPhone 4S as well).
On the back, instead of the 5-megapixel snapper, our source claims, there's an 8-megapixel, full 1080p HD video-shooting camera with some sort of an improved sensor. As for the battery, expect a 2050mAh one (do we hear a whoa?), which should be good for a couple of days use without charging.
The Nexus Prime will also be LTE-enabled, but the most interesting part is that it would probably boast a dual-mode GSM/CDMA radio, just like the Apple iPhone 4S.
All those specifications sound almost too nice to be true, but keeping in mind the advertisement for the Nexus Prime, prompting us that "something BIG is coming", we won't be surprised if all of these purported specs turn out to be real.
What we do know for sure is that the head-turning 4.65-inch, 1280x720 pixels screen is definitely a go. Whatever the truth might be, we'll definitely find out on October 11, which is just a few days from now."

Galaxy Nexus vs Galaxy S2: Comparison reviews make me love my SGS2 even more

Like many others, I've been drooling over the Galaxy Nexus since it was announced. However, the more I read about it, the less interested I am to get one. At this point it seems that the only real upside to moving from the SGS2 to the Galaxy Nexus is ICS. But we all know there will be an ICS port available for the SGS2 within the upcoming months anyway, so that's a moot point.
Two comparison reviews I read:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42623/galaxy-nexus-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/comparisons/1098323/samsung_galaxy_nexus_vs_samsung_galaxy_s2.html
Considering that the Galaxy Nexus is larger, has an inferior screen (supposedly), and lacks the ability to upgrade the internal storage due to lack of an SD card slot, I'm really losing sight on the appeal for the Galaxy Nexus.
Are you still planning on upgrading to the Galaxy Nexus when it becomes available? If so, why?
Plus the Nexus only have a 5MP camera. One reason why I was considering the Nexus is because of the NFC technology Android Beam. I know a lot of people may need the extra space of a micro SD card slot, but a lot of people don't even have a micro SD card in their GS2 just because it doesn't come with one. Either way you go, you will be getting a good phone
Yeah, the 5mp camera appeared to be a turn off to me at first as well. But I have seen some comparison pictures taken with both phones and the 5mp camera on the Nexus does seem to be a bit clearer than the 8mp camera on the SGS2.
However, I don't typically choose a phone due to its camera. So this doesn't really matter to me.
Ya I was debating these two for awhile. I went Tmob GS2 and don't regret it one bit...better cpu, gpu, modem, SD card, camera, lighter, smaller, etc. For me a phone any larger than the GS2 and I not interested, it has taken some getting use to the larger size in my hand coming from a Nexus S.
I'm most likely going to own both of them. I love the nexus line of phones. Nothing like stock. They are both amazing from what I have seen and will decide which is better for myself after using both.
There is enough hate in the world. Why can't we all get along here ...?
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Two comparison reviews I read:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42623/galaxy-nexus-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/comparisons/1098323/samsung_galaxy_nexus_vs_samsung_galaxy_s2.html
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You do realize that both of those reviews are of the i9100, right? That phone is really a COMPLETELY different phone than the SGH-T989! There needs to be a comparison to the T-Mobile US version of the SGSII.
Considering that the Galaxy Nexus is larger
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The Nexus is larger in height but not width, it is in fact thinner in width.
, has an inferior screen (supposedly)
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Where the heck did you read that? Are you talking about Gorilla Glass? It has a reinforced glass, Google wouldn't let them put **** on their latest and greatest after the Nexus S flop
, and lacks the ability to upgrade the internal storage due to lack of an SD card slot
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Who uses more than 32GB?
Are you still planning on upgrading to the Galaxy Nexus when it becomes available? If so, why?
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YES. Because it is a Nexus. ICS. Updates BEFORE ANY OTHER PHONE GET'S THEM. Will have HUGE developer support. Best display available. There's more, can't think of them now.
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Yeah, the 5mp camera appeared to be a turn off to me at first as well. But I have seen some comparison pictures taken with both phones and the 5mp camera on the Nexus does seem to be a bit clearer than the 8mp camera on the SGS2.
However, I don't typically choose a phone due to its camera. So this doesn't really matter to me.
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I agree totally. When I first read the stats with a 5mp camera first thought was, "why"? But I have too seen the comparisons. I'm willing to get they upgraded the optics. All that aside, I don't take many pictures with my phone. I use my camera for that so it's a minimal spec.
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Ya I was debating these two for awhile. I went Tmob GS2 and don't regret it one bit...better cpu, gpu, modem, SD card, camera, lighter, smaller, etc. For me a phone any larger than the GS2 and I not interested, it has taken some getting use to the larger size in my hand coming from a Nexus S.
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Hmmm...Better CPU - You sure? This CPU (TMO SGSII) is pain to do anything productive with.
GPU - Ok, may be a LITTLE better, but I doubt you would ever notice the difference. As far as I've read that GPU performs just fine for any game available on Android.
Modem - What are you talking about? The HSPA+ speed?
SD Card, yeah, talked about that already.
Lighter - Um, NO, they weigh the same.
Camera - More pixels means **** if the camera itself cant handle them.
ETC - What else? You say you can't handle a larger phone? I thought this thing was huge when I got it and wanted to go back to my Sensation but in time I grew to like the size. Just FYI, the Nexus is taller but skinnier. Thinner too by .6mm.
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I didn't think the GS2 had NFC (Android Beam) but I was just reading the back of the box and it says it is NFC enabled, so maybe it does. This pushes the GS2 over the top imo.
There just isn't enough added to it besides ics for me to buy it!
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I didn't think the GS2 had NFC (Android Beam) but I was just reading the back of the box and it says it is NFC enabled, so maybe it does. This pushes the GS2 over the top imo.
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Menu>Settings>Wireless and network>Check NFC to enable.
Yes, the TMO SGSII has NFC.
The GN is better than TMO's SII in almost every way. The fact that its a 720p screen is such a big winner. 4.6' WVGA screen looked really bad to me. And I would take a TI-OMAP4 processor over Qualcomm's S3 processor any day of the week. Plus it's straight from Google. You save yourself the headache of wondering whether you're going to get the next Android firmware upgrade.
I bet the SII wont even officially get ICS until Q2 of next year, and that's probably after the SIII is released lol. Just like what happened with the first generation Galaxy S.
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Tmo sgs2 >>> GN
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There seems to be a lot of debate about which phone is better. Both have similar processors, one has an sd card slot and one doesnt, both have huge screens, nfc, comparable cameras.
Given that the phones are so similar, why not save around $200 and get the sgs2?
Someone who played with both they both have ups and downs.
Galaxy nexus: 720 resolution Everything looks nice and sharp. But at angles these are at angles you never hold your phone at. It looks green. Samsung galaxy s2 doesn't at any angle. Galaxy nexus wins here.
Galaxy nexus: Os Latest and greatest. But it doesn't matter at all does it. Your on xda your going to root and run cm 9 or miui ics. Besides both teams come out with better things than Google themselves anyway. (tie)
Internal storage goes to samsung galaxy s2. Sorry to say most people fill of 32 gigs with enough clockwork back ups including titanium back ups, music videos and pictures it is easy to fill it up. You can say otg but I rather only carry my phone around and not carry extra pieces.
Both camera take very good pictures. More megapixels does not mean better pictures. The galaxy nexus camera takes pictures instantly and panorama works flawlessly. The software for cameras has always been better from oems than google. It still is. Goes to samsung galaxy s2. Then again you can get applications that fix this as well for the galaxy nexus. (tie)
Processors: .... Texas instruments processors aren't the best. They have been in various Motorola phones. Droid line phones have moto blur. Which I believe is more taxing than sense. Not bad not the best either. Google has optimized the software around the processor before I'm pretty sure they have again.
Qualcomm: Once again is not the best not the worst. You get better battery life supposedly. I didn't get to play with gnex for than 5 hrs can't tell. I'm pretty sure the lte version battery last 4-5 hrs. From single qualcomm to dual core one i can guarantee you it is an improvement over the single core phone. Various reports said hspa+ gnexus was getting a day.
Exynos: Best processor out supposedly. Various reliable benchmark test prove so. But its really no different than any processors. What is it downfall. You have this ridiculous amount of power in a phone. Which in a year it be outdated. In two years. you won't even been using this processor. Probably an updated version or a totally different. Also by the way reliable means nothing I can get two thousand people to vouch for me or give a good opinion of me. Never produce nothing in the end that really matters. Not like applications can't run because you have a certain processor. Look at tegra 2 games can still run on other various devices.
For the people who saying Ti is better than qualcomm. The galaxy nexus build is probably like Optimized like over 5 times. Can't compare stock and touchwiz. Matter fact you can't even tell over the samsung galaxy s2 line. On gingerbread. Hard to tax the roms are heavily optimized and are little nothing more than 90-100mb.
Anyone that says they can see the difference in real life performance on custom roms like cm 9 and miui is a fan boy and its all in their head after they see benchmarks so they start to elude them selves from the truth. Real life performance is not what sites tell you. It is how you use the phone. It varies from person to person.
If your developer go for the galaxy nexus. If your a consumer go for the galaxy s2. Both phones do the samething. Both phones can have equally the same development if you know how to code. Your not losing out.
I find it hilarious that *XDA members* would give points to a phone just because it comes with the latest version of Android. It's like a mechanic complaining because another car has better spark plugs or something. ICS isn't a real selling point to anyone but clueless end-users, IMO.
I know its been said here but still... any time you read ANYTHING about the SGS2 they are talking about the i9100 which is a COMPLETELY different phone than out t989... besides the camera and the "sII" printed on the back, not much else is the same... just saying.
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Like many others, I've been drooling over the Galaxy Nexus since it was announced. However, the more I read about it, the less interested I am to get one. At this point it seems that the only real upside to moving from the SGS2 to the Galaxy Nexus is ICS. But we all know there will be an ICS port available for the SGS2 within the upcoming months anyway, so that's a moot point.
Two comparison reviews I read:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42623/galaxy-nexus-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/comparisons/1098323/samsung_galaxy_nexus_vs_samsung_galaxy_s2.html
Considering that the Galaxy Nexus is larger, has an inferior screen (supposedly), and lacks the ability to upgrade the internal storage due to lack of an SD card slot, I'm really losing sight on the appeal for the Galaxy Nexus.
Are you still planning on upgrading to the Galaxy Nexus when it becomes available? If so, why?
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A lot of good insight here. One thing others have brought up, which I was not aware of, is that the TMO SGS2 is much different than the i9100 version. I knew the exterior was a bit different but I thought that was it. Are you saying that the T989 is inferior to the i9100? If so, in what ways?
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There seems to be a lot of debate about which phone is better. Both have similar processors, one has an sd card slot and one doesnt, both have huge screens, nfc, comparable cameras.
Given that the phones are so similar, why not save around $200 and get the sgs2?
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That's my point. This is where I currently stand. I was ready to sell my SGS2 and pay an additional $250+ for the Galaxy Nexus sometime over the next couple of months. But at this point, it just doesn't seem worth it. Maybe sometime next year when it is readily available on T-Mobile and I am eligible to upgrade I will pick up a GN for around the same price I sell my SGS2 for, making it a wash.
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The below bug you listed would really drive me nuts:
software buttons bugs (mostly with apps that are not ICS ready)
sn0warmy said:
A lot of good insight here. One thing others have brought up, which I was not aware of, is that the TMO SGS2 is much different than the i9100 version. I knew the exterior was a bit different but I thought that was it. Are you saying that the T989 is inferior to the i9100? If so, in what ways?
That's my point. This is where I currently stand. I was ready to sell my SGS2 and pay an additional $250+ for the Galaxy Nexus sometime over the next couple of months. But at this point, it just doesn't seem worth it. Maybe sometime next year when it is readily available on T-Mobile and I am eligible to upgrade I will pick up a GN for around the same price I sell my SGS2 for, making it a wash.
The below bug you listed would really drive me nuts:
software buttons bugs (mostly with apps that are not ICS ready)
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Is is inferior but not quite like omg its just the original has better gpu and processor. But this version has better battery life. Ill trade off some power for better battery life anytime. All people do is over hype the processor which will eventually be outdated like every other processor. A everyday user for normal task it is easy. Even for a power user like me. Not a big deal. They act as if the t-mobile version is the bastard child of the family. Sure on stock touchwiz the original sg2 beats the tmobile version. But any other custom roms everything varies. You can never compare them because they are compiled from different sources. It is like comparing apples from different areas. They may look the same but they taste different.
When I got my phone, i was trying to choose between waiting for the galaxy nexus, get the iphone 4s, or get one of the SGS2 variants. I went with the SGH-T989. And after reading more about the Nexus, and playing around with friends' and family's iphone 4s, I'm pretty confident that I made the right decision.
Both phones have their positives and negatives.
The PenTile Super AMOLED HD vs. the Super AMOLED+ display is subjective. Some people like the higher resolution, some people would rather do without the green tint.
Both are NFC enabled, so that's a moot point, too.
About the processors: People in this thread seem to think that every single mobile SOC uses its own native ARM ISA. This is false. The TI OMAP 4460's processor and the processor in the Exynos (And for that matter, the Tegra 2's and the Apple A5's) are the same (Save for certain cases like NEON implementation, which most, but not all SOC's do. The Tegra 2 doesn't.) The Snapdragon's is not, as Qualcomm licenses the ability to design their own ARM based ISA from ARM Holdings (Think AMD and Intel). http://www.anandtech.com/show/3632/anands-google-nexus-one-review/9
Between Cortex-A9 SOC's, the difference in performance and benchmarks is either down to the GPU (The Exynos uses the Mali-400, the TI uses the PowerVR SGX 540, the Tegra 2 uses the Geforce ULP, and the A5 uses the PowerVR SGX543MP2), software optimization, clock rate, or certain cases where NEON would provide a benefit.
Performance per clock has the Cortex A9 leading the Snapdragon chip in most cases. This isn't Qualcomm's fault. The Snapdragon was never designed to compete with the A9, but rather, the A8. This is why benchmarks seem to have the T-Mobile SGSII coming in last place between the carrier variants. In real world performance, though, it's relatively a moot point. Most software is still being written for the 1GHz single core crowd. Any dual core device should remain hardware relevant for quite some time.
As far as GPU performance is concerned... the Adreno 220 /should/ be more powerful than the SGX540 the Galaxy Nexus uses, but software optimization can provide a key role here.
I've heard mixed views over the camera in the Galaxy Nexus. From what I've gathered, at its best, the camera can snap clearer, more color accurate shots than the SGSII at its best, but it's easier to take rubbish shots than the SGSII's. The resolution of the CMOS sensor means almost nothing in terms of raw image quality, and it's silly to compare cameras based on it.
The Galaxy Nexus doesn't use Gorilla Glass, but some sort of unknown manufacturer's "reenforced glass", like the Nexus S. I'll hold off until we hear some clear reports on how durable/scratch resistant this glass really is.
The biggest reason to go with the Galaxy Nexus would definitely be software updates, though. Obviously, it's the first phone with Ice Cream Sandwich, which is a massive improvement over Gingerbread in every way. And then, it will get consistent updates, as they are managed by Google instead of the manufacturer/carrier. (Remember how hard it was just to get an official Froyo on the US versions of the original Galaxy S?) Samsung claims that it's trying to clean up its act on that front, but it's not entirely up to them. It's up to the carriers, and they'd rather us sign onto new contracts with newer phones. We'll see.
There's no SD card slot on the Nexus. That's a big thing for most people.
Audio performance is interesting. The Yamaha DAC the Galaxy S II uses has been called a downgrade from the original Wolfson DAC the Galaxy/Nexus S used. I haven't heard reports on the Galaxy Nexus' DAC, so we'll just have to wait and see.
There will definitely be more ROM support for the Galaxy Nexus. Two reasons.
1. It's not split up into four (five?) different models, some of which have different hardware altogether.
2. AOSP Android. Everything running on the Galaxy Nexus has been open sourced from the beginning. (GAPPS excluded). Meaning there won't be any driver issues as per the SGSII.
If both phones were out right now and available for T-Mobile and I'd have to chose, I'd probably pick the Galaxy Nexus just for the ICS and ROM support. That's not to say I'm unhappy with my SGSII, but running a vastly superior version of Android and being able to tinker around with it that much more is worth it (to me) over my own personal preference for the non PenTile SAMOLED display and the Gorilla Glass.

If you had to change phones soon...

I liked the Charge, but having non stop issues day after day. Extremely poor call quality when the phone gets below 20%, M$ Exchange email doesnt work, calendar wont sync, data always disconnects, etc.
Made about a dozen calls and finally got a hold of a regional manager that is willing to help me out, or so he says. Told me he would be able to get me an early upgrade price so trying to decide what route to go.
Prior to being an android user, I had the iPhone from the first version and dropped the iPhone 4 back in July for the 4G device. Saved me some money from having to buy a 4G hotspot and a phone, plus iPhone was limited and couldn't handle a few things that I needed. Seems to be better, but its still a 3G phone.
New Nexus looks pretty good, but heard some things not so good about them. Is it better to wait as it seems new phones come out every week, or better to pull the trigger on the Nexus now?
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I liked the Charge, but having non stop issues day after day. Extremely poor call quality when the phone gets below 20%, M$ Exchange email doesnt work, calendar wont sync, data always disconnects, etc.
Made about a dozen calls and finally got a hold of a regional manager that is willing to help me out, or so he says. Told me he would be able to get me an early upgrade price so trying to decide what route to go.
Prior to being an android user, I had the iPhone from the first version and dropped the iPhone 4 back in July for the 4G device. Saved me some money from having to buy a 4G hotspot and a phone, plus iPhone was limited and couldn't handle a few things that I needed. Seems to be better, but its still a 3G phone.
New Nexus looks pretty good, but heard some things not so good about them. Is it better to wait as it seems new phones come out every week, or better to pull the trigger on the Nexus now?
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TBH if it were me I'd just wait for the next big smartphone of Q1/Q2, they'll be as good or better spec-wise than the Nexus however you'll be missing out on the pure AOSP experience and timely updates... its not that important to me so I'll be doing this, I'm gonna probably pick up the next HTC superphone (a little tired of samsung now though I love their hardware)
I have the Galaxy Nexus right now and its the best phone I've ever had. Sure they're some minor problems with it like with any new device. But nothing at all that makes it unusable or annoying.
I wouldn't wait for phones that come out at CES 2012 because they won't be available until Q2 at least. Plus all the Quad Core phones will all have problems working the kinks out since they'll be brand new. Much like the Thunderbolt, Charge, Revolution, and the (first) Bionic.
So my advice is to go with the Nexus. Better experience, faster updates, best phone I ever came across. Makes the iPhone 4S look puny and not fun at all IMO of course
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If you have to change now, go for the Nexus. If you can wait some months, then wait.
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Best phone for flashers = Galaxy Nexus
Best phone for stock users = Droid Razr
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Best phone for flashers = Galaxy Nexus
Best phone for stock users = Droid Razr
its simple really...
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Why do you say the RAZR is better than the Rezound for stock users out of curiosity? I could have had either as my displacement and went with the Rezound because it appeared to be the better phone overall based on what I read.
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The Nexus is still better for stock users because it's the only one with ICS. The OS is far more intuitive and coherent than Gingerbread, and that's exactly what matters the most for those users.
The only pluses in general for the Razr versus the Nexus are its thinness (and it's not even a huge difference compared to the Nexus, it's much more noticeable compared to the chunktastic Rezound) and less-plasticky/more durable build (kevlar back, splash-proof coating, not made by Samsung).
With what I know from reading -- I'd go for the Nexus. ICS cannot be ignored, and couple that with the amazing AMOLED screens Samsung uses and you have a winner.
I believe ALL the phones have some quirks, you just have to make sure you can live with them.
The Charge was not considered a successful phone, it was the baddest mama jama when I bought mine in early June and though its not perfect, it got a breath of life when GB was released for it. Fixed most of my issues!
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TBH if it were me I'd just wait for the next big smartphone of Q1/Q2, they'll be as good or better spec-wise than the Nexus however you'll be missing out on the pure AOSP experience and timely updates... its not that important to me so I'll be doing this, I'm gonna probably pick up the next HTC superphone (a little tired of samsung now though I love their hardware)
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Hes actually right. If youre getting a new phone just wait for the next big phone. We have Tegra 3 coming to smartphones in Q1 and just look at the 12mp camera/quad-core phones running ICS coming just in the first 3 months of this year. Wait it out bro.
Nexus is the best phone out there right now. As for the issues you're having, if you want full Exchange support, get a Windows Phone, otherwise get Touchdown as that is the only way to have reliable Exchange support on Android. Really though, I think you'll find problems with your next phone too just based on the OP.
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I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
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I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
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beats audio is garbage unless you like rap/hip-hop (thankfully the beats 'technology' doesn't kick in unless you plug in those craptastic beats headphones), the Rezound *might* have the Nexus beat in processor and camera but Nexus wins IMO screen-wise, its also unbloated/unskinned, will have first dibs on updates and with the zero lag shutter... meh its a toss-up I think, both are solid phones but I'd kinda lean toward the Nexus
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I completely disagree with the majority here. The HTC Rezound is by far the superior phone. Its 720p IPS LCD screen is *true* HD, not Pentile, and current OLED tech suffers from color inaccuracy and oversaturation. The subpixel count on the GNex is about equal to most 800x480 phones.
The Rezound's Adreno 220 GPU is also superior. The Gnex's GPU is just the Charge's PowerVR SGX 540 with 50% overclock. A nice comparison here: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...htc-flyer-htc-desire-hd-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
The Rezound's camera is also better, and it has "Beats Audio" (not sure if that's any good though).
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This post sounds like a complete HTC fanboy post. Some of those tests with the GPU were barely better than the original SGX540 GPU. It's also closer to a 100% overclock (200MHz in the Charge v. 384MHz in the Nexus), so I would think those tests would turn out vastly different if run with the Nexus GPU at the same resolutions.
Screen is debatable, and if you looked at the Nexus screen, you couldn't tell if it was pentile or not. Outdoor visibility has ALWAYS been the best on the SAMOLED screens though, and power consumption can be better with them as well.
Camera, I'd have to see to believe as I have NEVER heard of HTC using good quality image sensors. Just because it's 8MP compared to the Nexus's 5MP doesn't mean it's better. That's like saying a 16MP point-and-shoot takes better pictures than a 10MP DSLR. It can if the conditions are right, but usually, it won't.
Beats audio is also a complete sham as the audio processor in the Charge is better. You'll likely get worse audio from Beats than you would from the Nexus. Then lets not forget software upgrades and the lack of add-on apps, can you guess which one wins here? And you can probably forget about AOSP on the Rezound anytime soon as it took several months for Layher to get it on the TB, and I don't see anyone having the dedication to do that again.
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This post sounds like a complete HTC fanboy post. Some of those tests with the GPU were barely better than the original SGX540 GPU. It's also closer to a 100% overclock (200MHz in the Charge v. 384MHz in the Nexus), so I would think those tests would turn out vastly different if run with the Nexus GPU at the same resolutions.
Screen is debatable, and if you looked at the Nexus screen, you couldn't tell if it was pentile or not. Outdoor visibility has ALWAYS been the best on the SAMOLED screens though, and power consumption can be better with them as well.
Camera, I'd have to see to believe as I have NEVER heard of HTC using good quality image sensors. Just because it's 8MP compared to the Nexus's 5MP doesn't mean it's better. That's like saying a 16MP point-and-shoot takes better pictures than a 10MP DSLR. It can if the conditions are right, but usually, it won't.
Beats audio is also a complete sham as the audio processor in the Charge is better. You'll likely get worse audio from Beats than you would from the Nexus. Then lets not forget software upgrades and the lack of add-on apps, can you guess which one wins here? And you can probably forget about AOSP on the Rezound anytime soon as it took several months for Layher to get it on the TB, and I don't see anyone having the dedication to do that again.
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Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Hooray for an ICS ROM that is very buggy, I know I'll use that all the time Can't wait to get a Sense'd version with as many useless apps as Verizon and jam into it. Glad to see you ignored the AOSP comment completely as well.
The screen statement is somewhat untrue as well. The issue with battery life comes when you're using bright colors or video. If you use black, you get excellent battery life as black pixels use 0 power for AMOLED screens, how much power does a black pixel use on an LCD panel? Inaccurate colors are one thing, as that depends on several factors, but it can be corrected, as can the over-saturation. Are there issues with the technology? Sure, but I'll take a SAMOLED screen over an LCD panel every day. Oh, and how about contrast ratio comparison between the two? How about comparing the thickness of a full screen assembly (touch sensor, backlight, and display) between AMOLED and tradition LCD? There are reasons that it's being used, despite how bad you think the technology is.
No MicroSD slot, now we're just nit-picking. Is it a bad thing? Kinda. However, how often do people change them? I only ever changed it out to get a faster card. The only thing I miss about having one is that I could just copy over my backed up data easily to the Nexus. Other than that, it's pointless and I don't see anyone having issues with the lack of a microSD card.
Oh, you also forgot to comment about the GPU tests and the camera. Is the Rezound a bad phone? No, but if you want long term support, I don't think you're going to beat the Nexus as it will see several updates in the future, and even if Google stops updating it, the community will keep it going. Plus, any issues you see can be fixed by the community before Google gets around to it, so you can see fixes faster if there are problems. The Rezound? It will probably see an OTA to ICS, then probably two more OTAs for bug fixes, after that, probably not much. Good luck getting AOSP on it, as that will take a long time, if ever; just see the Thunderbolt as an example. Community driven fixes? When's the last time HTC took bug fix advice from the public if it wasn't a security issue?
ambrar12 said:
Just checked the Rezound forum. Apparently they already have an ICS ROM thanks to an ICS leak for the "Sensation XL", whatever that is.
As for AMOLED, unfortunately it's not mature enough yet and drains more battery than LCD as well as having inaccurate colors and oversaturation. And with a 720p pentile you won't notice the pixels but I don't think the sharpness would be as good as a true 720p RGB screen (I could be wrong, but I personally wouldn't bother taking the chance).
As for Beats Audio, I kinda figured you wouldn't be able to get hi-fi music quality without a proprietary port.
Also one other thing that (for me) is a real deal-breaker is lack of microSD slot on the GNexus. I have no idea what Google was thinking there.
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Haha Rezound. You can keep that fat, whored-out (Beats scam, bloated up, Sense..), cheesy red colored locked-down brick. HTC is really becoming like Motorola by locking down their devices which creates delays and frustration for people like us. It will receive an update sure.. once. Until they release their new Super Amazing Incredible Orgasmic Deluxe 4G.
Also I hate the volume and power buttons on that phone, they are pretty much flush and have no tactile feel (mushy), don't even start on the horrendous battery life of HTC phones.
Sure the GNEX might not be ideal in every way, but neither is the Rezound. Just because you prefer it doesn't mean everyone else does too
I'd take SAMOLED Plus over LCD, but my personal experience with Pentile (browsing at Verizon store) has been pretty negative.
My point with the SD card was for the sake of extra storage. This is one of the most irritating aspects of the iPhone. These days there are 64 GB microSDXC cards out. The 32 GB card price keeps falling.
I'd wait too. I would want something with dev support like the Galaxy Nexus, but at least 8 MP rear-facing camera and hopefully >2 MP front-facing.
Go with the Nexus if you need a phone now....I have it and I love it. There are almost too many developers on that phone, which is a nice change coming from the charge.
The thing that annoys me most about the Rezound is the power button is on the wrong side of the phone. I use either my thumb or pointer finger of my right hand to push the power button. It's pretty awkward doing that on the rezound. Maybe it's just me lol

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