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Android on Polaris/Orbit2

Howdee,
I'm _really_ interested in this one and over at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383695 it does not seem as if anybody would tackle the Orbit2 anytime soon...
Therefore, does anybody know how to get Android running on the Polaris/Orbit2 and or can point me into the right direction as how to create images for this device? Would anybody be interested in teaming up and putting some effort into this and try to get Andoid running on our device?

There ist already a thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385023
TDO

Also, Android will be released in the not too distant future... You might want to wait for a fully working distro for the Polaris...

gnick666 said:
Also, Android will be released in the not too distant future... You might want to wait for a fully working distro for the Polaris...
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Thanks for the update. Would you know when this will be (or where I can get info on this?)

As far as I know manufacturers plan to release Android phones before september... also Google stated that they'll release the 1.0 source when the first phone hits the market...
Also the recent demo videos show even more of the OS, and I'd say it somewhere near pre-beta or closed beta testing... and there's the second round of the ADC...
For what the day of the actual release will be no one knows... my estimation is around september-october...

gnick666 said:
As far as I know manufacturers plan to release Android phones before september... also Google stated that they'll release the 1.0 source when the first phone hits the market...
Also the recent demo videos show even more of the OS, and I'd say it somewhere near pre-beta or closed beta testing... and there's the second round of the ADC...
For what the day of the actual release will be no one knows... my estimation is around september-october...
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Thanks again! ;-)
Do you think Android will stably run on the Polaris anyways? I might be wrong here, but doesn't this depend on the SDK actually supporting the Polaris? I figure that e.g. there will be a ton of drivers missing...

The SKD and the real Android distro are and will be 2 different things.
It doesn't realy matter on which device you can port the SDK to, it'll stay the SDK and won't be a fully functional Android distro... Android will be able to run on any device that has a 200 MHz processor, 32 MB Flash memory and 32 MB RAM, and I doubt that the SDK is capeable of running whith these parameters.
So don't waste your time whith the SDK (unless you're writing apps for Android).
Also the first implemented drivers for Android are the drivers for the MSM 7200 chipset, so we can expect a boost in overall performance for a change.

gnick666 said:
The SKD and the real Android distro are and will be 2 different things.
It doesn't realy matter on which device you can port the SDK to, it'll stay the SDK and won't be a fully functional Android distro... Android will be able to run on any device that has a 200 MHz processor, 32 MB Flash memory and 32 MB RAM, and I doubt that the SDK is capeable of running whith these parameters.
So don't waste your time whith the SDK (unless you're writing apps for Android).
Also the first implemented drivers for Android are the drivers for the MSM 7200 chipset, so we can expect a boost in overall performance for a change.
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Now, this sounds great (for a change) ;-) So all we need to do is be a little patient? Too good to be true...
Where do you get all your info from btw? Is there any forum/page besides the Android page at google?

Elvez said:
Now, this sounds great (for a change) ;-) So all we need to do is be a little patient? Too good to be true...
Where do you get all your info from btw? Is there any forum/page besides the Android page at google?
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Oh, there are tons of forums, groups, pages about Android...
But here are some things for starters
http://www.helloandroid.com/node/22
http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=commit;h=e8fd56a303bf5e8f84af80999fa398eb8cc1d670
http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/
http://androidwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(mobile_phone_platform)

NICE! Thanks a lot! Will look into it!

Thanks for the info gnick!

FLASHPLAYER 10 for smartphone!

may s.o has already red this is coming until midle of 2009 it should be here final.
its made for "highend sp" but in cnet.com it has been said that 16mb of ram and 200mhz would be needed.
this flash 10 is optimatet for arm processors. is the vox processor a arm processor(dunno!).
may you findnews on this

oh wow from 7 to 10?
maybe now we can watch straight up youtube videos?

it is said so..
i think we might need an plugion for pie. but lets ahve a wait and see

Well, actually from 0 to 10. Flash 7 is only for Professional devices (and you can't really count Flash Lite...). And yes, the processor of the Vox uses the ARM architecture!

frauhottelmann said:
Well, actually from 0 to 10. Flash 7 is only for Professional devices (and you can't really count Flash Lite...). And yes, the processor of the Vox uses the ARM architecture!
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i hope it will come realy for smartphones

Well, mid-2009 isn't going to be interesting for me, since I will buy a WinMo Prof. device then...

frauhottelmann said:
Well, mid-2009 isn't going to be interesting for me, since I will buy a WinMo Prof. device then...
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What would be your preferences for buying one?

Well, I haven't decided yet. I need to get my hands on the Touch HD and see how big it is. But right now, I am probably going to get a Touch Pro. The full keyboard is something I don't want to miss!!!

[Q] Can the G Tablet mimic the Viewpad 10?

Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott

cscotty said:
Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
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Hmmm...not quite what I was looking for. Anything else?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883195

cscotty said:
Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
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No. Yes.
What would make it possible: Swapping the guts of the Viewpad 10 w/the gTab...
Viewpad 10 only run Android 1.6 anyways, which is VERY old, as that is the only version of Android ATM that supports x86 processors...

cscotty said:
Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
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You know, my 1st thought was no, bcuz of different instruction set, but here's an idea: run Windows under qemu under Android on Gtab. It'd probably be dog slow, but...
Jim

jimcpl said:
You know, my 1st thought was no, bcuz of different instruction set, but here's an idea: run Windows under qemu under Android on Gtab. It'd probably be dog slow, but...
Jim
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Unuseably slow. Reminds me about all the people who continuously asked about a Nintendo 64 emulator for the Nintendo DS...

cutterjohn said:
Unuseably slow. Reminds me about all the people who continuously asked about a Nintendo 64 emulator for the Nintendo DS...
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Agreed ...

cscotty said:
Hey All. Just a quick thought I had. With the hardware specifications of the G Tablet, is it powerful enough to mimic the Viewpad 10 and dual boot win (XP of 7) and android? I know that the processors are quite different, but would that make it impossible?
Just a thought.
Thanks,
Scott
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Not possible yet, you wouldn't want to try to run Windows under an emulator, trust me.
However, a Tegra 2/ARM build of Windows 7 is apparently in the works - see this thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10011358#post10011358
Also, there is apparently a Windows CE build already for Tegra 2, I'd check out the developer forums at NVidia if you're really curious. I don't know why anybody would want to run Win CE on their G Tab, but it'd be a cool hack if you felt like doing it. Drivers for touchscreen would be an issue of course - you'd have to write them for the G Tablet touchscreen (which will be at least vaguely plausible after the kernel source release this week), or find something compatible out there. Basically, a lot of work for no real return.

Native Linux (and X)?

Hi,
Has anyone got Linux working natively on this tablet? Or at least the X Window System and/or with a working touchscreen driver?
I would really like to get Linux to run on this tab (any distro).
Thanks!

No news of any?
If only I new how to do it myself...

The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.

DigitalMD said:
The question is why?
It hard enough to get all the hardware working with the scaled down Linux of android.
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It shouldn't be that hard to get everything working (Linux, X, ALSA and mtev have been ported to the original Tab and also the S2 too, so it's possible). Alternatively, (search Novo Paladin Tablet running X in Youtube) run X on top of the Android kernel.
Why would it need to be scaled down? The internal drive could be partitioned for /etc, /usr, /var and /home use.

I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.

leodfs said:
I think you could try the linuxonandroid solution( but I think you already did...), it runs linux natively and only needs a vnc client to access the GUI. I am running the BackTrack and it is quite usable. Not as fast and optimal as it would be without the vnc layer, but I don't think any developer would spent much effort to close that gap.
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Oh but we are working on removing the vnc layer, check out our site for more info

why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?

DigitalMD said:
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware

Didn't get that either. My guess is that he posted in the wrong thread.
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zacthespack said:
windows 98 is more modern than a release of Ubuntu from last year?
The linuxonandroid project is working on native ports of Linux distros, its true you can run the likes of windows 98 but this uses emulation via the likes of qume which means more lag and less use of the actual hardware
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Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>

I just hope you are kidding dude...
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leodfs said:
I just hope you are kidding dude...
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Kidding???????????
I posted the fact filled link from Wiki , are you kidding?
Linux is a 44 year old OS>

Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.

leodfs said:
Yeah, got it. Sorry, but that's not funny at all.
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I think its hilarious , people thinking they are doing something cool and new. I was doing this stuff Unix in college in 1978

DigitalMD said:
Linux is soooooooooo 1960s
originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs,
Don;t they teach you kids nothin in school??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix
Running a 40 yo OS. .....LMAO>>>>>>
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Linux WAS NOT developed in the 1960s, nor was it developed by Bell Labs. It does copy UNIX, however. Linus Torvalds wrote the kernel from scratch and posted it to the Minix mailinglist in the 80s (what's wrong with an old OS xD at least it is being continued).
And also, Bada and Android are based on Linux, and Windows 9x won't run because it is developed for x86 chipsets, not ARM.
Go and do your research first

No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.

Ubuntu Touch is now availible for ARM chipsets!
DigitalMD, it's not the fact we're making something new, it's the fact we're improving it, making it how we want it.

leodfs said:
No dude, what is hilarious is that you keep that point of yours. We are not trying to emulate a dead OS from 60's( which is not the Linux case, by the way), we are running a modern version of a distro ported to an ARM platform and by consequence ALL of its apps and libraries.
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Exactly.
I'm running Linux right now, and uname -a returns:
Code:
Linux kube 3.5.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 01:50:30 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Kernel last updated 7th Feb. Dead OS? I think not.

zacthespack said:
Oh but we are working on removing the vnc layer, check out our site for more info
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That's great. Have you seen the Nova Paladin video? It would be awesome if you could kill the UI and run the X server with mtev.

DigitalMD said:
why not a more modern OS like say .... Windows 98 or VME ? or Bada?
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Windoze???? You've got to be kidding!!
Yes, UNIX was created by Kernighan and Ritchie (K&R) at Bell Labs (BTL) in the late 60's. Its main attributes are that it is a mujlti-user, multi-tasking and processor-independent operating system. It is transportable to different hardware simply by rewriting the underlying kernel specifics before compiling. Their group also created the C language to better handle its features, finding Fortran to be too cumbersome. In other words, it was done right from the ground up; one would be hard-pressed to devise a better OS. I perceive Ubuntu and other implementations as primarily UI applications, but I'm not a programmer.
You can find a nice history (and license plates!) at unix.org.
Linus Torvalds, as previously mentioned, ported UNIX to the IBM PC by rewriting the kernel and rather narcissistically dubbed it "Linux".
Microsoft Windows can run only on the Intel boat anchor, and is a crazy-quilt of patches over the original single-user kludge, PC-DOS. Bill Gates plastered too much lipstick on that pig long ago.

[Question] N64oid for RT 8.1?

I know the 8.1 jailbreak is coming soon and was looking into n64 emulators. http://slideme.org/application/n64oid that one is already compiled for ARM but is for android. Anyone know of any n64 emulator that will possible run on RT 8.1 (or that can be recompiled).

No, not quite yet. Unless N64oid is uploaded to the Windows Store, then you'll just have to wait for the jailbreak.

syn3h said:
No, not quite yet. Unless N64oid is uploaded to the Windows Store, then you'll just have to wait for the jailbreak.
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The question is has anyone converted it to work on Windows RT 8.0. It is an ARM build but for android.

numus said:
The question is has anyone converted it to work on Windows RT 8.0. It is an ARM build but for android.
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It is more likely that an x86 windows application can be ported to windows RT than an ARM android app can be ported to windows RT.
I think N64 was looked at before, I can't remember what the limitation was but it was most likely build tools or a graphics plugin.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
It is more likely that an x86 windows application can be ported to windows RT than an ARM android app can be ported to windows RT.
I think N64 was looked at before, I can't remember what the limitation was but it was most likely build tools or a graphics plugin.
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There are a lot of different N64 emulators for x86...

Someone could take a look at mupen64 and get that ported. That would be our best bet for a 64 emu. But I do believe graphics would be the main problem.
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numus said:
There are a lot of different N64 emulators for x86...
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I am aware.
I was just pointing out that your examples are useless. When porting software to RT, it doesnt matter if it has an ARM version elsewhere, the most important thing is that it is a win32 application before you can even remotely consider anything else, n64oid is not win32 in the slightest.
The x86 emulators may have JIT issues, may not compile under MSVC which is the only compiler we have for windows RT or rely on libraries which do not function.
N64 has been requested and turned down before. Someone should perhaps take another look though yes and the surface RT certainly has the power.

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There are a lot of different N64 emulators for x86...
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SixSixSevenSeven said:
It is more likely that an x86 windows application can be ported to windows RT than an ARM android app can be ported to windows RT.
I think N64 was looked at before, I can't remember what the limitation was but it was most likely build tools or a graphics plugin.
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Somebody looked at N64 on Windows RT a while back, and I read on another forum that it there were graphics problems

SixSixSevenSeven said:
I am aware.
I was just pointing out that your examples are useless. When porting software to RT, it doesnt matter if it has an ARM version elsewhere, the most important thing is that it is a win32 application before you can even remotely consider anything else, n64oid is not win32 in the slightest.
The x86 emulators may have JIT issues, may not compile under MSVC which is the only compiler we have for windows RT or rely on libraries which do not function.
N64 has been requested and turned down before. Someone should perhaps take another look though yes and the surface RT certainly has the power.
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Offtopic:
Dude, you are one of the nicest guys here. Everytime you take your time to give a very detailed good explaing answer. I needed to tell you, because guys like you makes me love this forum and the "thank button" was not enough
Ontopic:
Could this help?
Ver 1.4 Source
Ver2.x Source <-
Thanks for the feedback.
Anyways, I managed to make the build clean enough so anyone with Visual Studio 2010+ OR its Windows SDK equivalent can build from scratch without any issues (other than a ton of compiler warnings, but it does run smoothly).
Again, these are all non-functional changes, but only changes to *.vcxproj files to make the soultion buildable (Under VS or using MSBuild in the command line)
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Source - Last post

BIade said:
Offtopic:
Dude, you are one of the nicest guys here. Everytime you take your time to give a very detailed good explaing answer. I needed to tell you, because guys like you makes me love this forum and the "thank button" was not enough
Ontopic:
Could this help?
Ver 1.4 Source
Ver2.x Source <-
Source - Last post
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Offtopic part: thanks
Ontopic part:
That it compiles in visual studio at all is certainly a start.

came across this:
http://www.emutalk.net/threads/49810-Mupen64-in-C-on-XNA
is it in any way related?

goldenpipes said:
came across this:
http://www.emutalk.net/threads/49810-Mupen64-in-C-on-XNA
is it in any way related?
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Completely outdated (2009) on no files available.... I can't imagine that it can help. Sorry mate

We have a psx emulator n64 should be possible.
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goldenpipes said:
We have a psx emulator n64 should be possible.
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What psx emulator on RT...?
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It doesn't look like RT 8.1 will be JB so the emulator question doesn't even matter anymore